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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dad taught me how to swear and listen to your mom.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Somebody asked him Happy Father's Day, just like thank you Pop,
Love you Daddy. Fifty five KRS the talk station. Heyo
by the fifty five kr CED talk station. Happy Friday Eve,
of course, a sad and tragic day.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
We will be talking with.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
iHeartMedia Aviation next for Jay Ratliffe, that horrific plane crash
in India. He'll join the program at the bottom of
the hour, as he does every Thursday. I am pleased
to welcome back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show
from the Cincinnati Enquirer. Somebody's at least reporting on local things.
Scott Whartman, welcome back to the morning show. It's always
great having you on.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Oh thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Brian.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Something I think everybody was talking about, at least of late,
one of many murders in the city of Cincinnati, but
rather horrific and under really really tragic circumstances, the death
of I guess you did have to have pro Bowl
met with Sarah Handinger regarding her husband's slaying in their
home by a guy who was supposed to be on
an ankle monitor who cut it off. In February was

(01:01):
widely reported by from others an announcement from police Chief
Teresa Thiji they did not even know that that guy
was at large. Talk about a breakdown in the system.
What's your what's your analysis? And after talking with the
folks involved with the AFTABS, meeting with Sarah Henninger.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well, a lot of the city had been quiet in
the days following the incident, and then on Wednesday, the
mayor met with Sarah Henninger, the wife of the man
that was stabbed in their home and over the rhine,
and he basically listened to her concerns because she's been

(01:41):
very vocal on social media that she wants changed so
this doesn't happen again. She feels the system broke down
after the suspect cut his ankle, monitor off, he fell
off the map, and basically with the mayor and the
police chief, they were both in the meeting on Wednesday morning,

(02:04):
they said that they were not notified. The police chief
issued pretty strongly worded eight minute video statement that evening
after the meeting saying that, you know, blaming the state
for not notifying her and that's kind of like the
big question here, who was responsible? We haven't really gotten

(02:27):
an answer on that yet. The state hasn't really responded
on exactly you know how that was supposed to work.
But from sources I talked to, they said that he
was notified, like it was flagged in the system, and
they were looking for him actively. So you know how

(02:49):
that should have worked. We're still trying to answer that.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Well, the question then is they were looking for them
if if the since I Police Department didn't get alerted
that he was out and about and had cut off
his ankle monitor and fled the halfway home, and so
he was at large. Obviously a demonstrably violent man given
the reason he was locked up previously. He went on
to commit another robbery then and then ultimately we have

(03:15):
the murder of Patrick.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Henger.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Yes, it wasn't the Ohio Parole Board that was responsible
for monitoring him.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
And yeah, it was the state. He was under the
state supervision. And again the details on exactly, you know,
we're still sorting out how that was supposed to work.
But he was, he served a nine year prison sentence,
was put on supervised release, and then when he cut

(03:50):
off his ankle monitor, they didn't really know where he was.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yeah, well, see that to me sounds like, you know,
it's one of those things you see in movies. Issue
in all points bullet and we got a dangerous guy
who's cut off his ankle monitor. He's probably up to
no good given his criminal conduct in the past. Here's
a picture of him. Here's crime stopper bad guy. The
week we do that every week on the morning show.
Was there a crime stopper alert out there on him?
Were the police department provided with photos and information? And

(04:14):
you know where he typically hangs out is wherever? That's
it seems to me just should be the normal order
of business. But if the police department's not notified about it,
then they're not going to be out looking for him.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Duh, right, yeah, and that.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Is These are some of the answers that Sarah Henninger
and the city want to get coming out of this.
And these are answers of right now we just don't.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Have, Okay, And I know some of the reforms that
Sarah Harringer was asking for, it's signed to me based
on the reporting I read the AFTAB provol was in
a cord and had no objection to what she was
asking for, and also was desirous of bringing about some
change to the system. So at least it doesn't sound
like he's being an obstructionist.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
No. I mean, when he met with her, it sounded
like he listened to her concerns and he agreed that
it was unacceptable that those were his words in the
statement that he released and vowed the work with her.
And she said that she's going to be very public
as she works with the city to keep everyone notified

(05:25):
of what's happening and kind of keep the heat on
to see that something happened and that there is some
meaningful change.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Well, it was a business owner and over the Ryan,
I think there were residents of over the Ryan. Patrick
Herringer had a gym there active in the community. By
all accounts, are really terrific guy, and I can certainly
understand her being devastated by this, but I think her
online social media posts have been quite reasonable, and in
spite of her current circumstances and her grief, I think
everything that she said out loud are legitimate, you know,

(05:57):
rather than just being vile and angry and screaming and yelling.
I mean, she's asking for some very legitimate reforms. So
one can only pray that this tragedy does result in
a more efficient system because obviously there was some sort
of breakdown here that doesn't look like it should have happened. Now,
whether they would have found him or not, no one
can answer that question. But if you don't know the
guys out there, you're not going to be looking for him.

(06:19):
Which that's the elephant in the room on this one.
Scott pivoting over.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
And the crime really has devastated the over the Rhine community.
And this is one of those things. I mean, it
was someone killed in their own home, you know, it's
really I mean, it's rightly you know, hit a nerve
and caused you know, a lot of a lot of
stress on the over the Ryan community.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Which I think is already stressed out.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
One of the things that came out during this in
the aftermath of this tragedy bad optics for the city.
Who tries to paint this you know beautiful, you know, rainbows,
Puppy Dog's kind of picture of the environment in downtown CINCINNTI.
Crime apparently has soared forty eight percent year over and
over the Rhine alone, with regard to property crimes and
break ins and car thefts and car breakings and all that.

(07:08):
It doesn't sound good, but I.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Do believe looking at some of the crime statistics, I
think overall, like violent crime is down. It doesn't necessarily
mean anything, but it's sometimes hard to read the year
the year data because there can be ambivalent, you know,
conclusions that are drawn from it.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yeah, and I know, but see one of the interesting
points that was made and I can't remember where I
read it, but violent crime maybe down, and that would
be like murders.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
In the city overall.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
But if you look at different areas, different communities or
different neighborhoods, like over the Rhine, that's when you find
out that, in fact, no, a lot of crime is
up in any given area. So the statistics tend to
mask sometimes the reality of what anybody's actually dealing with
on a day to day basis in the communities. So
we'll I'm looking for follow up reporting from Scott Wortman

(08:02):
on the whole situation with the parole Board and what
they actually do and how things are monitored and how
they keep track of these folks that are out on
bail with ankle monitors. There is a piece on aft
have purval getting fined fifty dollars. Doesn't sound like a
big slap on the wrist there with fifty bucks. What
was the reason he had to pay fifty bucks for

(08:23):
this campaign issue?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, the Ohio Elections Commission, which is the one that
levied the fine. I mean generally, I mean that's actually
kind of a hefty fine for them, because it's generally
seen as I don't know, necessarily want to say toothless,
but they usually aren't like severe consequences that are handed

(08:46):
down for violations. But it was an issue. Kurt Hartman,
he's a Republican attorney, often files a lot of complaints
and actions against politicis.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
You've views a lot of.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Election commission or election campaign finance filings. Noticed that there
was debt on have to have pyrival's last campaign finance
report that wasn't it was like six four to eight
years old, and his contention was that it was eighty

(09:28):
three thousand dollars worth of debt to three firms, a
law firm and some consulting firms. His contention was, well,
if it's that old, it's basically a campaign contribution and
should be reported as such.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
So that free le basically free legal services were rendered
on his part.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, yeah, that was mister Hartman's argument. And then the
Elections Commission they just ruled. They didn't really much about
it other than that it was an incomplete report. They
said that the mayor amended the report and then just
levied a fifty dollars fine basically, and that's that's what came.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Of that, all right. Did he have to pay the
law firms back.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Well, he's according to aftab Zone attorney, he's currently repaying
the loans since Hartman's complaint. And so Kurt Hartman pointed
that out. As you know, nothing was being done on
this until I raised the issue, and so yeah, that
was definitely part of it.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Fair enough, there'd be some lawyers with a happy smiley
face getting paid for the work that they did, all right.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
I know he got more attention for the fifty dollars
just for it being a fifty dollars fine than anything.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
It is a slap on the wrist. I mean, I
don't know what people expect by way of.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Fines from the Oversight Committee high Elections Commission, but as
you illustrate, they rarely do this. So even a fifty
dollars fine is a higher level than most. So clearly
there was a violation here, and that's what they concluded.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Are pivoting over.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
You teamed up with Dan Horne to write an article
about the Cincinnti firefighters and the fire fire department survey
didn't paint a really pretty picture, did it, Scott.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Now, I mean only a quarter of the firefighters responded,
which I guess if you look at a lot of
companies when they do those surveys, that's not necessarily unusual.
But the ones that responded, no, we're not happy with
their jobs. They felt like they're not being listed into
by management. They felt that the hiring practices were not fair,

(11:35):
that the promotions were not fair. This is something the
work environment at the fire department. It's been a long
standing issue. The previous fire chief was fired for allegedly
creating a hostile work environment according to the or not
addressing a hostile work environment, and so this has been

(11:57):
an issue that's that's been ruminating in the fire department
for a while.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
That was fire chief Frank McKinley. According to reporting that
he's fighting that allegation in his discharge is he.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
No, no, no, no. Frank McKinley is the current one Oh,
I'm sorry. Yeah, Chief Washington, Yes, and yeah, he is
currently fighting that.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Correct, Who prompted this survey, whose idea or who is
behind the survey of the firefighters, because I would really
like to see one of the inst Police department because
from all I've heard about that, and I have quite
a few inside sources there, things aren't that good by
way of morality the inst Police department.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Well, according to the city manager, this is part of
an overall assessment of the department and they're going to
have a report in a month or two with recommendations
on how to make improvements and improve the morality the
fire department. So, I mean that's something that in the

(12:57):
next month or two we shall hopefully we'll get more
clear answers.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
To Yeah, but it was it's your report of this.
This survey was conducted by last fall by a private firm.
I'm just wondering, was that at Sherry Long's initiation or
was it the uh the fire department union's behest I'm
just wondering who was behind the survey itself.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Well, at that point, at this point, we we aren't
clear because the city manager hasn't said anything beyond what
we had in the story, and the report has not
been released wasn't released publicly yet, we had obtained a
copy of it, and uh so at this point it's
not quite clear.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
All right, have you just before we part company?

Speaker 4 (13:40):
They Scott Warton from the Cincinnion Choir you can find
on line at cincinny dot com. Connie Pillich released the
statement yesterday that I found rather troubling personally, but it
seemed to be rather unprofessional for a Hamilton County prosecutor
to issue this. It's regarded that no King's nationwide dad
defiance which has taken place on Saturday, attacking without meaning
Donald Trump, but clearly directed toward Donald Trump and his administration.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Did you see that by any chance?

Speaker 1 (14:07):
I saw some online chatter about it, but I'll be honesity,
I have not really delved into that too much.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Well, I was just curious if you might consider reaching
out to her for an explanation, because she points out
her job as to prosecute crime.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
She goes.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
But all this is against the backdrop of such unconstitutional
lawless at the federal level by an incompetent, childish, selfish,
uneducated jackal who threatens our very democracy every day. Even worse,
he is backed up by vile humans whose acts and
advice indicate that they want to destroy our democracy and
then ask people to join her on Saturday with the
not Kings nationwide Native Defiance image there So it just

(14:46):
seemed to be rather unprofessional for MI and my listeners. Standpoint,
I thought might be worthy story to follow up with
Connie pillach On Scott.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'll put it on the list.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
There you go. Hey, You're always welcome here.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Appreciate you right about local stories so we can all
understand what's going on in the city of Cincinnati. Scott,
and I'll look forward to having you on again, and
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