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KRSE Morning Show. Completely changing gears to a very positive meeting.
Apparently we have on the program the return of Ohio's
Secretary of State, Frank LeRose. Frank, always a real pleasure
having you on the program.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Well, thanks for having me back, Brian, looking forward to
this conversation and hope things are going well for you.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Things going great as far as great goes. But understand,
speaking of great that you had what might be described
as a great meeting with the White House regarding voter integrity.
The other day I saw your post on social media
about that, declaring it a very productive meeting. What was
the purpose of the meeting, What did you discuss and
what do we have to look forward to?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Frank LeRose, Yeah, this is a group.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
That has grown in the last several months. Way back
in February, just a month into the new administration, myself
and one or two other secretaries of State got together
with the President's policy team. At that point, they were
just in the development process of the Executive Order on
Election Integrity that the President has done. And then we
met again in April and it was a larger group,
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and now getting together in July, we had I think
fifteen to twenty other secretaries of State from around the country, including,
by the way, a bipartisan represent I'm proud to say
we were able to get a few Democrats to join
in the conversation, and that's good. That's how elections administration
should work. And largely what the conversation.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Was about is list maintenance.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Now you may start to think snooze, boring, list maintenance,
absolutely not actually, in fact, one of the most important
things that elections officials do is maintain accurate voter rules.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And it's hard. We've been leading the charge on this.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
In Ohio for a long time and kind of setting
the example for the rest of the country. And how
do you maintain accurate voter rules?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
What does this mean? Taking dead people off.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
The rules, taking making sure non citizens never get on
the voter rules, right when people move from one county
to another, or god forbid, somebody moved out of Ohio.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Don't know why they would want to do that, making
sure they.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Get removed from the voter rules. So those are the
things that we've done in Ohio for a long time,
but we've had to work around the federal government. Not
so much with the federal government, even though they are
a repository of a lot of this data.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
That we need to do voter list maintenance.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
In fact, last year I had to sue the Biden
administration to try to get some basic citizenship data so
that we could prevent non citizens from becoming registered to vote.
I can tell you it's been a complete change of
attitude with the Trump administration and what they're doing is
truly remarkable. Because they're pulling together all these different parts
of the federal government, and isn't that what an executive
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is supposed to do and getting them to actually do
the job. You see, the Social Security Administration.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Has good data on who has.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Died because they don't want to send those Social Security
checks anymore. So Social Security is really good at that,
but they wouldn't give us that data. Finally, they are
the Department of Homeland Security has pretty good data on
who's the citizen and who's not, but they made it
enormously hard for us to get a hold of that.
Until recently, the federal government didn't always know what the
left in the right hand was doing. But the Trump
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administration's pulling all those entities together to make this thing
called the Save database work. The Save Database is what
secretaries of State are are now able to use in
a much more streamlined way to maintain the accuracy of
our voter rules. And I couldn't be happier with the
work that the Trump administration is doing. By the way,
previous administrations told us that this would take years to do,
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It would.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Cost millions of dollars. They may never be able.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
To get the project done to do this, and the
Trump administration's done it like in the last five months.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, we need a new laws for immigration on the
books before we could stop the open border from happening.
And oh look, no new law, the borders shut down.
It is amazing what a change of administration can bring about.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Leadership.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Leadership matters. And I'll tell you what, government is excellent
at making excuses. And there's a lot of good people
that work in government, don't get me wrong, But deep
within the bureaucracy, whether it's a city hall, a county government,
a state government, or the federal government, are a lot
of people who are just wired to say no because
it's safer that way. Well, the federal government has not
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always moved this fast, but the President has got his
team saying, yes, yes, we can do this.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
We can find a way to access this information, by
the way, in a way that is secure.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
And maintains confidentiality for people's personal information. But we can
use the vast troves of data that the federal government
has to maintain accurate voterals.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
It is our job.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And by the way, it's actually called for in legislation
that was passed years ago. They just keep telling us
they couldn't do it. Finally, this administration is making it happen.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Well, I guess I'm kind of curious to know what
the argument was in the years they were fighting against
your getting access to this critically important information that they have, Like,
for example, the Social Security Administration. Now we know that
they have two hundred year old people still apparently perceived
as alive. That's being worked out and fixed. But generally speaking,
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let's seem for the sake of discussion, they have some
really good, valuable information on who's died. What possible reason
could they articulate for not letting you have it? Because
federal law does not allow dead people to vote in elections.
You want those off the roles just to prevent fraud
from happening. Isn't that a concept that should be universally embraced,
regardless of political strife.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Absolutely, And listen, the data that those Security administration has
is pretty good because they don't want to send checks
to dead people. Anybody that's had a loved one pass
and we haven't in my family just in the last year,
those Social Security checks stop pretty pretty abruptly. They're usually
pretty much on top of that. What we had used
for years is and we still use this. By the way,
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because this is a multi layer approach, is we use
the Ohio Department of Health and we get that list
from them every month. I actually passed the bill when
I was in the state Senate that created this process.
Ten years ago this didn't exist, but every month the
Department of Health tells us who has passed. We used
that list to remove them from the vterals. The challenge
comes in about people that pass away in another state
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or even God forbid, out of the country, because the
depth record is generally created where the person is deceased.
So if you're at your place in the Carolinas or
Florida or whatever else in you.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Pass, we may not know about it.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And obviously the federal government is able to aggregate that
at a fifty state level much more effectively. You asked
the question what was their excuse. Their excuse was generally
some version of you hay seeds out there in flyover
country wouldn't know what to do with this complicated government data,
and you would probably incorrectly remove people from the voterals.
There was a bit of a great deal of arrogance.
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In fact, a person from the Department of Homeland Security
last year when we were asking them to be able
to query their database using common numbers like last four
of US Social Security never paired with data birth, full name, address,
that kind of thing. She was saying, well, we used
to allow states to do that, but we think that
they were misusing it.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So we stopped, and I said, well, trust us.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's my statutory responsibility to remove people from the voter uals,
for example non citizens, and keep them off the voter roles.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
So trust me with that data and make it available
to us.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Again, we had to sue the Biden administration to get that,
and so it was a lot of arrogance from the
people in DC.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Quite honestly, I can't chalk it off as arrogance. What
I think it is is actually that they want to
create an environment where it is possible for people to
vote who are not lawfully entitled to vote. I mean,
we've got all these blue states that are losing hemorrhaging
taxpayers and replacing them with illegal immigrants. It's happened in California,
it's happened in New York, New Jersey, all the other
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really high tax states that everybody's fled I think some
of them even said the quiet part out loud is
we need of these people here for the purpose of
maintaining a certain number of representatives in the House. But
more fundamentally, if they're allowed to vote, this certainly could
be large numbers influencing the outcome of the election.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, Brian, maybe I was very carefully answering the exact
question you asked me, because you asked me the reason,
the reason that they gave me one that we couldn't
handle it. But what you're getting to is their motivation
behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I think that it's a mix of just that insidious.
Some people, particularly on the left, just want the vote
voter rules to be voted. Others just don't believe it's
a problem, and they say, well, you know, nobody would
actually try to commit voter fraud. It's exceedingly rare. And
I'll be the first to tell you as a percentage
of the overall total of votes, it is a It
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is a small number. We see, you know, dozens or hundreds.
We prosecute them, and we make sure that people face
justice when they do.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Try to break the law. But here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Elections in Ohio come down to small margins all over
the country, and yet it's probably not going to determine
a governor's race or a US Senate race. But you
know what, it can make a big difference in a
fool board election or a little.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Tax levy, a mayor's race. We've had mayors.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Races in Ohio within the last couple of years that.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Came down to a coin flip.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, and so don't tell me one fraudulent vote is
something that we can just you know, let go by.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Well, I guess I saw an article about Georgia. Was
a Secretary of State Brad Rafthensburger part of your working group.
Brad was Yeah, because he just announced they're removing four
hundred and eighty thousand inactive voters in their state's voter rolls.
And so obviously that a potential looming problem right there.
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And there's there's four hundred and eighty thousand people it
shouldn't have been on the voter roles in the in
the first.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Instance, And kudos to Brad for doing that.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
We haven't always been on the same sheet on the things.
But but but Brad's an engineer by training, he's a
he comes with a background in construction and architecture, and
he's a good mind when it comes to the analytical
set of things.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
We're doing the same in Ohio.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
We do it every year now, so our numbers don't
necessarily get that large. But we've got a couple hundred
thousand that we're removing in September. Now, what you're going
to hear is that just watch for this on social
media and in the newspapers.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
The liberals are going.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
To claim that I'm urging the voter rolls, that I'm
taking all these people off the voter rolls. We're not
taking people off the voter roles. In most cases, we're
taking bad records out of the voter rules. And we've
got a couple hundred thousand that are set to be
removed in September. I had an innovation a couple of
years ago that other states are now following. We published
that list. We published that list months ago, and we said,
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if any voter advocacy group, city, any groups out there,
think that my list is wrong, then crowdsource this, go
through it, tell me where it's wrong. But we've gotten
that down to a pretty good process now, and when
we remove those couple hundred in September. What we're doing
is taking away those that have moved out of state
and failed to remove their registration, those that may have
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died out of state, and because we didn't have that
social security data previously, we didn't catch them in our
scrub of deceased voters and those that are just duplicates.
And sometimes that happens very rarely because of a data
entry error at a board of elections. But when there's
humans involved, there's found to be some level of human error,
and so we're out of the process we have in
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Ohio and really hold it up as an example for
the rest of the country to follow. This came up
in Congress just two weeks ago where there was an
election expert testify in front of the House Admin Committee,
and he said, look at what Ohio's doing, and the
other forty nine should follow that well.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
And to the extent someone was erroneously removed, that doesn't
prevent them from reregistering to vote, does it.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
It will take you about two minutes I register to
vote at vote Ohio dot gov if you are a
eligible voter.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And by the way, we don't want to remove anybody inaccurately.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
So we'll really go through a lot of processes to
get this done right and get this done accurately and.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Real quick, because it's been a hot topic of conversation
of late, people who are registered in more than one
states and receiving benefits from more than one states in
the Medicaid program. When you find that someone has moved
out of state in your efforts to keep the voting
roles accurate, does that information get shared with Medicaid by
any chance?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
So not directly. We have to go through the process
of doing that.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I'm actually involved right now in a conversation with the
US Department of Agriculture, which maintains the SNAP system right Yeah,
commonly known as foodstaffs, because they have found the evidence
of people receiving food stamps in multiple states yep.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And so we've got a.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Conversation going right now with Secretary Rollins at the Department
of Agriculture, And then we have to do the investigation
to find out are they registered in both states?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Did they try to vote in both states? And if
they did, we'll.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Pursue prosecution for them where the second voter curt because
that's where the crime is. If they voted a second
time in Ohio, will refer them to our county prosecutors
and our state AG or to that state's AG where
the second voter curve. We take this stuff very seriously.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Welcome news to my listening audience. Secretary of State Frank LeRose,
God bless you, sir. Thank you for the time you
spent my listening audience, and meet this morning and keep
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