Steve Goodin - Charter Committee Candidate - Violence in Cincy

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Seven thirty FO fifty five KRCD Talk Station. Happy Tuesday,
Welcome back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show. Always
a welcome back. Steve Gooden from the law firm of
Porter Right, who regularly changed in on prominent legal matters
going on that affect the area. Steve Gooden is now
running for Cincay City Council as a Charter Committee member,
and he has previously served on council. He's got a
great record, smart man, he is. Vote for him. Welcome back,

(01:12):
Steve good It's always a pleasure to have you on
the program.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Hey, Brian, thank you so much for having us on.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Well please do. And the other day I think you
were commenting to local news about fifty to sixty gunshots
fired down on Lynn Street area three o'clock in the
morning on Saturday. Actually the residence there said was more
like sixty five to seventy five. Really got automatic weapons
going on down there. Apparently the residents say this is
not uncommon, it happens all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Oh yeah, I'll tell you. The West End neighborhood, something
that ted my attention for many years. Ironically met the
group of people who were impacted back when I was
on council in twenty twenty. They came to me at
City Council to complain about the city concentrating too much
affordable housing in their neighborhood, creating an issue with a

(02:01):
concentration of poverty and drug dealing and violence, et cetera.
And they were calling this out back then and saying, hey,
the city is intentionally doing this to us, and now
we've got one of the worst incidents we've had in
a long time. He had a straight up shootout. We
believe it was between a group of rival drug dealers
operating under something called POO, which is a large public

(02:23):
housing complex there near Lynn and Clark Street by the
Hayes Porter Elementary School where the Peewee football championship was held.
A few hours after the shooting, fifty to sixty shots,
car windows shot out. One of the bullets passed through
an individual's front his living room. Street bullet just went

(02:45):
right through the living room. And of course no one arrested.
Police do end up ultimately responding three or four ound shot.
We are told none cooperated. So all this does is
show up in the stats as a series of property
crimes because it looks like some windows were broken, and
the severity of this is just lost on everyone. I

(03:07):
spent I spent a good chunk of Saturday afternoon with
these folks walking around and you know, looking at the
shell casings and the windows there, and this is the
kind of stuff that is going on in our neighborhood.
It's not just the thing on Fourth Street, which was terrible,
but these are you know, this is the reality of
where we are in the city these days, which is

(03:27):
gunfights near schools. And these are folks, you know that
I'm working with here that have rehabed these houses. These
are taxpayers trying to do the right thing, and they
are horrified. At least one of them immediately started to
make you know, got on the MLS and started looking
at properties outside of it because you've got a kid.

(03:48):
You just you can't live this way.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well, let's pause. We'll bring Steve good back and see
if he has any ideas about a better path to
dealing with the crime in downtown Cincinnati. Seven thirty five
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Seven thirty nine at the cloud KERCD talk station Brian
Thomas with hopefully another council member will elected Steve good
In this November and hopefully improve the conditions in the
city since Sinnati Steve good running as a charter and
of course an outstanding legal background he has. Steve Gooden,
if on council, do you have any suggested solutions or
maybe a better path or dealing with what many are

(06:13):
characterizing is out of control violence in the City of Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Well, I mean, it is absolutely out of control. Brian.
It is a horrible time again, particularly in the neighborhoods
from there to begin, know, Wenten Hills, the West End.
We've had another eruption of bad behavior in Clifton Gaslight
of all places where I live, which was a place
that was untouched by violence for many years. And we

(06:40):
know what needs to happen. You know, when me and
mister Smitherman, you know, we're on council, and I hope
the voters see fit to return him to council as well,
because he will do an incredible job, because it is
common sense. We called this years ago. I mean, we
knew at the time, even four years ago, that we
were heading toward a police staffing crisis. Right now, we're

(07:03):
sitting two hundred officers short of a full compliment. Can
Kover from the FOP tells me that most days, because
of all the other officers nearing retirement and on special assignments,
we have roughly four hundred officers spread across three shifts
and those spread across four districts who can actually answer
calls that you know, if you have a problem with

(07:24):
your house and make a phone call, you know the
call nine to one one. We're down to four hundred
shifts or four hundred officers spread across three shifts who
might actually be able to answer the call in a
city of three hundred and five thousand. That's not enough
city where we in most nights we have more than that.
We have actually, you know, with red game, soccer games, concerts,

(07:45):
we could easily have five hundred thousand people eating, dining,
or hanging out in the city. We don't have the
officers we need. And you can put all the money
aside for overtime you want, but if you don't have
enough officers to work at it's not going to happen.
So I don't see any choice but to start working
with other agencies in the short term and starting to

(08:06):
immediately incentivize and grow that compliment. We need hundreds of
more officers if we're actually going to police the city.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Well, the council recently allocated two million dollars to hire
lateral hires, which are going to be more quickly put
on the streets. Apparently they have the training already, they're
already law enforcement officers in other jurisdictions, so hiring them
over just requires some additional follow up training before they
on the street. So that's a great idea, but it
is two million dollars for that, plus you know they're

(08:33):
going to allocate some of that for extra lighting or something.
Is that sufficient? Do we have the funds and resources
to maybe improve on that?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
We absolutely do, Brian. I mean, look, I mean they
spent this city council spent three point two million dollars
on this so called Act program which was achieving change together,
and the only change it achieved was more violence. And
it was a violence production program. This is the one
where they spend the money on urban gardening and dance
lessons and free sandwiches, got bus stops, hoping that would,

(09:07):
like somehow mitigate the violence that three point two million
dollars could have put a whole, complete group class through
top to bottom. The lateral hires are great, I mean
they I think it's an absolute emergency measure. Putting more
money out for overtime great, but there's nobody to work
the overtime. This is going to take a long term,

(09:29):
systemic approach and they're going to have to work with
other jurisdictions, whether it be the sheriffs and state patrol
in the meantime, I mean, they can still save a
few weeks of this summer. But they're just they don't
seem to be willing to get out of their own heads.
They don't seem to be willing to let these sort
of silly schemes go. You know, you can't dance your

(09:51):
way out of this problem or garden your way out
of this problem. You need police on the streets who
know the community, who have the time and ability to
get out walk a beat. We have this police collaborative
and it's all kind of based on community policing, which
is old fashioned beat policing, walking to beat policing, But
we just don't have the staff to do it right now.

(10:12):
So and we know, I mean every study shows that
that is the most effective time, both as a deterrent
and because they know who's who.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, and you know you mentioned gardening programs, and I'm
just going back to the facts that you presented about
what happened in the West End with you know, sixty
five or so random gunshot between rival gangs. I mean,
does anybody in their right mind think a gardening program
is going to deal with that type of matter?

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well? Right, it passed nine to zero of city council.
So I can tell you nine people down there who
apparently are not in their right minds when it comes
to spending taxpayer money on this stuff. It is insane.
I've been talking about that everywhere I go to me.
It is a complete symbol and it's three point one
million dollars city tax dollars went to this nonsense that

(11:02):
could have gone on the street in some way with
enhanced policing. We knew this summer was coming. We have
had a trend for the last three summers of increased violence.
And instead of trying to cherry pick and gaslight us
with very selected crime stats, you know that this is
what they did. They could have just faced the problem
that they knew was coming this year and actually tried

(11:24):
to put some some officers on the street and tried
to get some intelligence about where the violence was occurring.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
And moving forward, well, I dex the Democrat Party has
gone so far left and they've embraced this anti police
philosophy so much that that would require them to turn
their back on something and acknowledge that they were wrong.
Just like every other city that went down that road
has collapsed from a crime standpoint.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
No, that's absolutely right. I mean, there definitely was an
anti police vibe, particularly in the mayor's campaign back in
twenty one when he ran against David Mann. He absolutely
raised the idea that there would be racial profiling if
there were more police. He did that in his sprinting
materials and the mail that he sent out, and that's

(12:08):
just what was done, just solely to stoke fear. But
you know, look, it isn't just all policing. I mean,
if you're going to spend some money on youth programs
and summer job programs and things of that nature, those
things can help. So can enforcing the basic quality of
life offenses like in loitering and littering and things of
that nature. I really believe in the broken windows theory.

(12:30):
If if a town looks or an area looks kind
of like bad, it does send a message for people
that you can con make crimes. And we have definitely
done that. The city is dirtier and messier and more
broken than it's been in many, many years, and that's
been also a trend over the last four years, and
I think that absolutely encourages this kind of activity. But

(12:52):
if you're going to spend money on those things and
fixing it up and maybe getting some stuff for the
kids to do. It can't be this nonsense like the
gardening and the dance lessons. I mean, it's just bizarre
to me.

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(15:38):
I wanted to get your comment in reaction to President
pro tem Victoria Park's statement out loud that the people
that received the beatdown on July twenty fourth deserved it.
They were begging for it, including Holly, who seems to
be a completely innocent bystand who got cole cock and
knocked completely out by that sucker punch to the face,

(15:59):
begging for it. Steve Gooden, if you're on counsel, what
would your reaction to her comments be?

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Well, I'll tell you I was very of all the
things that have happened here with this in terms of
the public officials involved, that was the most disappointing. And
I'll tell you you know, I served on council briefly
with Victoria Parks, have known her on and off four years.
She's an Air Force vetter and she was a longtime
chief of staff for Todd Purtune, who was I don't
one of the last of the old school sensible Democrats

(16:27):
who actually was sort of I don't. Always didn't always
agree with him, but he was looking out for the taxpayer.
So I was very disappointed to hear this coming from her,
and absolutely I think she should step down or in
a minimum, be censured. I think she should step down.
I guess she's not running again, so I think she's
just going to kind of gut it out for the

(16:48):
next few months. But I'll tell you, I think it
speaks just to how deeply unserious this group of people are.
I mean, even if that's what she feels, thinks, or
what have you, which is wrong. But even if she
thinks that, why she would feel the need to publicly
express that is very strange to me, And it just

(17:11):
shows a complete abdication of her role and not even
understanding that what she says in a situation like this matters.
I mean, her statements became international news. Yeah, I mean
not just national news, international news. There's people like in Australia,
I saw a British newspaper clip like can you believe this?

(17:31):
You know, in this city that's racially divided and going
through all this stuff, and certainty one of the elected
leaders comes up and basically says that you know that
these people had it coming just it is just just
from a leadership standpoint. I mean, you know, I was
just thinking these people, you know a lot of them
are parents. I mean, you know, if you're a parent,

(17:51):
there's certain things you can say in front of your kids,
certain things you don't even there's things that need to
be said at some point among adults. And I'm not
suggesting that's what this is is, but you have to
be mindful of your role when you speak out. And
it is so stegg anything used to say deeply unseerious
that it's really hard to hard to wrap my head around.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Well, it also reflected her ignorance on you legal concepts
like freedom of speech. I mean, she literally said, in
this country, we have freedom of speech. However you may
not run into a crowded theater and screen fire suggesting
that someone's use of the N word in that crowd.
And I think it's a We're still kind of sketchy
on the facts and details like the white guy slapped
the other guy which started it. Well, apparently the white

(18:33):
guy got hit prior to that happening, so details still unfolding.
But even if someone said the N word, it doesn't
justify criminal behavior on the other side. I mean that's
essentially what she's saying. Well, he exercises freedom of speech,
he deserved what he got. That's I mean, that's insanity,
isn't it, Steve.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well, that's just no way that you can't run a
city based on principles like that. Okay, you know you
just can't. I mean, look you I was a prosecutor
for many, many years, and the first thing you learn
is that these videos that surface often don't tell the
whole story. In fact, you know you can it can
be very misleading just by showing you one single clip.

(19:14):
So as a public official, or as an elected official especially,
you should know better than to weigh in on something
like this until all the facts are there. I mean,
there's a grand jury that was in Piano that heard
everything and they handed down some indictments. I think there's
probably more indictments to come. So the idea that we're
going to sit here and you know, just having teams

(19:35):
a couple of things on our phone and then way
in and pour gas on the fire is just is
just bad leadership. And I don't maybe it was satisfying
in the moment for her to spout off like that,
and she's right, she's got a First Amendment right to
do it. We have a First Amendment right to point
out that this is terrible leadership and made things worse

(19:56):
just when you thought things couldn't get worse. There going
to I mean, I guess on the upside, she didn't.
They didn't go out and try to, you know, intervene
that night with dance lessons and sandwiches and things like that.
That's the only thing I can think that that would
have been worriers as if they had shown up and
tried to that's what the people or something. But I mean,
I say that sort of in jest. Yes, it's not

(20:19):
that far removed from the reality that we're dealing with
right now.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, we needed a big bag of potting soil wol
to solve the whole problem that night. Steve Goodnight, you
have better choices. Let's exercise them in November. My friends
in the city of Cincinnati vote Steve good and of course,
Christopher Smithman. Steve always a pleasure talking with you. I
appreciate your thoughts and comments, and I certainly wish you
all the best as we approach November.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
All right, and thank you so much for having us on.
You know, a lot of the media has not been
covering stories like what happened in the West End, so
it's very, very important that we have forums like this
to get the story out.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
And you always have a farm here in the fifty
five krs.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Morning.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Should to speak your voice, which we truly appreciate. Steve Goodin,
have a wonderful week, mind friend, we'll talk again soon.
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