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Speaker 1 (00:04):
On the road again.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Just can't wait to get all the road again.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
You have.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Good afternoon, and welcome to the car show. I'm Dan
Donavan taking all of your car questions. The number to
call five one three seven four nine fifty five hundred.
That number again, five one three seven four nine fifty
five hundred. The phone lines are wide open, so I'd
love to hear from you. It is a it is
a it's an almost perfect I mean, I shouldn't say almost.
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It is an absolutely perfect day. I mean it's it's
gonna be, you know, Sonny and seventy five. You can't
go wrong with it. No humidity, I mean, you know,
we don't get many days like this, and it's nice
to enjoy it. My son had a soccer game this
morning at eleven. My mental son has a football game
at twelve thirty, which I'm kind of missing right now.
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But and then we've got the football game tomorrow. So
busy weekend in sports as usual my in my household.
But do enjoy it, and so but again the number
call five one three seven fifty five hundred.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Listen. It was it was another another busy week had.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
But things are a little soft and I think and
you know, I've been doing this a long time. But
you know, every time, right up to an election, you
start to see people kind of I shouldn't say say no,
but they don't say yes to everything, right, So you
call them up, tell them what they need, and yeah, well,
you know, let's just do what's what I have to
(01:56):
do right now.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And uh, you know, I mean, I get it. A
lot of people don't understand.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Uh, you know, they're concerned about making any type of
big purchases or financial decisions until the election happens. But unfortunately,
even whoever gets in doesn't matter. You're still going to
need your car to get to work, right. So it was, uh,
but you know, it's it's just weird. It happens every time.
And you know, some of the guys were like, wait,
(02:22):
what's going on. It's just like, man, people just they
just get a little bit finicky when it comes to, uh,
making major purchases or spending any type of money until
the election comes up. And I know that's coming up
really quickly, so I should pick back up, especially if
we start getting some colder temperatures. But so all right,
let's go back, let's go to the phones. We've got Russ. Hey, Russ,
(02:44):
welcome to the car show. How can I help?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Hey? I got a two thousand Silverado five point three
engine in it, and I replaced the knock sensors. Okay
and question, and I had had the message for the
knock center, so I went ahead and did that. Gould
a man of fle replace them, and I don't get
the the message anymore. Cleared the message, however, it doesn't
(03:09):
seem that I've been on other websites looking. It looks
like you have to two ways to test it with
the You get your OEMs reading, which mind checked. Fine. However,
when you knock on the manifold, it does not change anything.
(03:30):
And what I've read is it should do that. So
that's my question is do I need to replace them again?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
So what it says here is what what year? It
says a Chevy Silverado?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
What year is it?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Two thousand? It's five point three eight?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
And you were getting it was it a check engine
light that was coming on and saying that the knock
sensor was coding?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay? And was there one or two underneath?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
There? There's two?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Okay? And you play bo what about the harness?
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So replace that also.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Okay, all right, good good, good, good god.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Man.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
I can't remember ever, I can't remember off the top
of my head ever having to replace a knock sensor
on a Chevy Silver.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Is it a five point three liter?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (04:18):
So okay, so you you owned it out. Everything's good,
test good there. But you're saying that did you put
the intake back on it, like put everything back together?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yes, yes, it runs and it runs pretty good, but
it doesn't have the power. It doesn't act like the
knock sensors are doing anything. So I read where if
you knock on the engine, did mimic an engine knock
it should retard the timing, which, mind doesn't have any effect.
I can knock on them all I want with a pin,
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you know, with a screwdriver or a hammer or anything
on the manifold next, you know, as close as I
can get to the knock sensor change on anything.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I have to be honest with you, I've never had
I've never heard that. Where did you see that? Did
you see that online about knocking on the intake? Yes,
uh huh, I've never heard that method. I don't man
that that's that's a great question. I've never heard of
anybody actually physically knocking on the intake to cause that thing.
(05:22):
But anyways, you're still after replacement message has gone, but you.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Still have a lack of power.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Yes, okay, I mean is it like when you're getting
on the highway when you experience is it going up inclines?
When are you experiencing the lack of power or is
it just all the time.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
On the interstate. I won't get any messages except when
I get on the Interstate, probably about thirty miles into it,
and if I pull a long constant grade, it seems
like it downshifts a lot more, you know when it
shouldn't be and that's when you'll get the service engine
right now. So I redded you on YouTube and they
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said there's two things to test the knock sensors, and
one was the resistance which minor find there and I
bought the GM replacement, you know, the genuine parts. And
the other way to test it is to they say
you don't even need it in the car. Of course
I didn't take it out of the car and check it,
but they say they should eknit a AC signal electrical
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signal when you knock on it because there's a diode
or some type of crystal in there. Yeah, and it
doesn't do that. I can't get a signal doing that.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Okay. How many miles are on this thing?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Two fifty?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Okay, all right? What about what about a tuneup? How
recently have you done a tune up?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Well, I've replaced everything, plugs, wires, coils and through the
whole scenario, put cleaner through the the injectors.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Okay, what about the fuel filter? Have you replaced that?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yep? I've replaced that a couple of times, and I
just did it recently, all right?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
And then had did you test the fuel pump pressure
to make sure that you have plenty of fuel pump pressure?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yep? I read I read that online too, did check
get Yeah, it's right where it should be constant fifty five?
I believe what I read.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And then I mean, did you buy how long have
you owned this that you got two hundred fifty thousand
miles on it?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Did you buy it brand new or yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I bought it new?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Okay, so you know the vehicle very well? I don't know.
I don't think. What about well, so you don't have
any more lights coming on? Right, or did you say
the service light was coming on?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
The service engine light will come on. I can drive
it around town all day for a week and nothing.
But since I get on the interstate and take off,
like I said, about thirty miles or thirty minutes into it,
that's the service engine.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Soon light will come on and have those coats go ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It has the random three hundred missfire.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Okay, all right, well that will that will certainly cause
a lack of power. So the random so you said
you replaced the plugs, and you replace the wires.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And the coils and all the coils. Yep, okay, man,
you've been all over this thing.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Well, I mean the thing about the the so the
po three hundreds of random cylinder misfire, and again that
can be caused by an injector or multiple injectors not
doing what they're supposed to do. Or how old are
the coils? Did you put ac delcal coils in or
aftermarket or.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Their after market but you know they didn't change anything,
So I don't associate those with not fixing the problem.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Right right now, I don't think that. I don't think
your knock sensors are your problem.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
We gotta we need to address that PO three hundred,
but we need to find out exactly what's causing it.
What about the mass airflow sensor C Have you cleaned
it or checked it or replaced it.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I've ran cleaner through it, I've never replaced it.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Okay, but you're not getting a mass airflows as your
code anyways.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
But I'm just I'm just trying to cover your base.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I'm just trying to cover all the bases here, trying
to figure out how we can get this thing resolved
for you. Who I'm kind of at a kind of
wrapping my brain around this, just trying to figure out.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Man. Umm, I think you've done.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I think you've done everything you possibly can, but obviously
something what about let me ask you something.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Did you have the random misfire or.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
The the that before the knock sensor codes?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yes, okay, that was the.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Original, so you had to three hundred, and then you
also had the knock sensor code, So you did you
went ahead and did the knock sensors.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah. Like I said, I got on YouTube and it
sounded like that's pretty popular with this engine at least
when I worried about knock sensors because you know, like
I said, I got the code, so of course that's
what I looked at got on there to see what
people said.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah, all right, Well well, I mean, if if you'd like,
I mean, I could take a look at it for you,
try to help you out here, so save you some time.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It says here Union, Kentucky. You're not too far away
from you.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I'm okay, I'm just about I'm about fifteen minutes north
of downtown Cincinnati. So I'll be more happy to at
least look at it for you, and we'll rack our
brain together. I'll have my tech look at it and
just we'll try to figure out exactly what.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
We can do.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And I mean, I think at this point we're gonna
need to hook it up to a scan tool and
just try to figure out exactly while we're driving it.
While we're running it, figuring out which cylinder's causing the misfire.
Now again, three hundred is a random so something either
I don't know, the intake ask gets taken in too much,
something's something's just not adding up on this thing.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But Russ, I'll be more happy to take a look
at it for you.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Sounds good to me, And I think if you've got time.
If you can call me this week. I can give
you the number if you'd like.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, I will do that, yep, when you're ready, I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
It's uh five to one three seven three seven three
one eight nine eight nine seven three one eight nine
eight nine. When you call and ask for me, my
guys are gonna answer and just say hey. I spoke
with Dane on the radio on Saturday. He asked me
to give him a call.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
So, okay, we'll do all right.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Thanks for ross. All right, you take you take care
of a good weekend. All right, bye bye, all.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Right, taking your phone calls in order to call five one, three, seven,
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Taking your car questions is the number called five one
three seven. That number gain five one three seven, fifty
five hundred. Sorry I was I was yawning and I
couldn't so let's go back to the phone. So you've
got Dick, Hey, Dick, welcome to the car show.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
How can I help?
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Thanks? I got a two thousand and seven Saturn. I
I went to a local parks place and they gave
me a misfire cylinder one. I took it home and
I checked in and I'm getting spark cylinder one. So
(13:26):
I've taken all of the plugs out, I've taken all
of the coil over out. Now I know the plugs
are bad. By the way, real quick, when you look
at the where you would set the gap, that's the
spark plug. Is that more like a blunt end or
is it a needle?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Yeah, I'm indicating to you that I've got warm plugs,
but instead of it being what I recall being a
blunt surface, Yeah, it's more like a.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
New point like you said.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Right, So if it's a needle point like that, that
is a platinum plug.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Oh so it's it's it's.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
What you've had, you know, the flat point that you
have that you talked about gap or whatnot.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
And is that gap still to be set at at forty?
So says the book.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
So if you have a platinum plug, they do not
need to be set. They're already pre set. They're already
ready to go. All you need to do is drop
them in there.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Okay, how do I how do I test the coil
to see if the coil is bad? Mark that I
had the coil in my hand and there's four pins.
As you rotate the connector so that you can see
the four pins inside? How do I test the second, first,
or secondary gigs?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
So what I would suggest you do is if you
had a mark.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Typically, if you've got a misfire, what you want to
do to confirm whether it's a spark plug or a coil.
What you do is you mark the coils with a
some type of marker, right, or lipstick or chapstick or whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
And you you take cylinder number one.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Coil and you swap it with two, or you swap
it with four. You take four coil and one coil
and you swap them and you start it up. If
that misfire moves, then we know we got a coil problem.
If the misfire stays where it's at, then we got
a spark plug issue.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That would be the easiest way to do it.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Okay, but yeah, you test the coil.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Not no, not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
I didn't think so.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
No, the guy.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
The guy didn't know.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Now I I don't know of anybody that can test
the coil. I mean some of these guys could probably
you know, hook it up and do it. But most people,
especially parts places, aren't going to have the ability to
do that. But like I said, the easiest thing for
you to do is just swap the coils and then
again if the if the misfire moves, then it's a
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coil issue. If it stays at that same cylinder, then
it's a spark plug issue. And again with your spark plug,
you don't have a standard plug.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well you probably the car pike.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Did come with the standard plug, but probably what they
gave you was a platinum plug.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Okay, that's what it's a little bit different.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
But again, when platinum plug does not need to be
set or gapped, it's already pre gapped and ready to go.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Okay, these are all plugs, these were all These were
not new. It's the same that the plugs I took
out are the plugs ever ran? So I'm thinking, how
do I set that gap? Anyway, in cylindender number two,
it was full of engine oil.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Well that's a problem too, So you need a valve
cover gasket. The valve covers butt leaking oil. So you
got those spark plug tube. See, so you've got a
valve cover, it's got the valve cover gasket, and then
there's four spark plug tube seals and those seals are
no longer doing their job, so that oil is getting
in and filling in.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
That spark plug tube. So you need a valve cover
gasket as well.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Okay, well I got more interest in that barge. But
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
All right, you take care, you tell you by bye.
There's a lot of buzzing in there. I apologize for that.
But yeah, if you've.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Ever you know, want to work on now again some
of your I mean, you can do this with a
six cylinder car or a V eight or whatnot, but
excuse me. You know, if you've ever got a misfire
and you want to identify whether or not it's a
spark plug issue or coil issue, like I was just
telling Dick there, take the spark plug, the coils and
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just swap them with two different cylinders, right and again.
If it moves, then you know you got a coil
issue because the coil, the ignition coil, is what sends
spark to the spark plug.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
You know years ago, uh you would have a distributor
and one coil and you know, or you'd have a
distributor that would send the spark and then they came
with like a coil pack. Now each individual cylinder has
an ignition coil, okay, and those coils will break down eventually,
you just don't you don't know when. But commonly most
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of the time, I'd say it's fifty to fifty. Half
the time it's spark plugs, half the time it's coil.
But in order if you're trying to do it yourself,
which is perfectly fine and most tune ups you can
do by yourself. But if you want to figure out
if it's a spark plug issue or coil issue, again,
swap the coils and if they if a misfire moves,
it's coil issue. If it stays at that cylinder, it's
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a spark plug issue, okay, before it's It's very smart though,
if you're going to do this type of work yourself again,
like I told Dick, mark those coils, just get a
paint marker. You can buy one at any part local
autopart store. Buy a paint marker and mark them one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
how many, however, how many cylinders you have w when
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you take them off, you want to put them back
on at the same uh where they came from. If
you can't, you don't have to, but that way, if
there's another Again, if one coil starts to fail, you
never know when the next one's gonna fail. And having
them properly marked will help you. Okay, So it's important.
So all right, taking your phone calls and I'm gonna
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car show. How can I help?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Well, I got a six don Jakota three point seven
ter little V six. I'm just over two hundred thousand
on it and I've had it for several years now,
but it's always had a little ongoing issue like maybe
I'm standing at the pump and I'm getting gas and
I've got you know, got it running because it's cold
outstarder whatever. But you can hear it almost like it's
(21:26):
gonna die out, almost just like there's no fuel or
something or just you know, it's choking out and just
carvel's way way down. But then it's reved right backed up,
and it's fine. I don't have any codes. I have replaced.
About a year ago, I replaced the fuel pump because
it did go out, so I got a new fuel pump,
new filter, all that, so that didn't change anything as
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far as that goes. I still have that problem. But
you know, other than just hearing it every now and then,
I don't really notice it that when I'm driving it,
so I don't know how often it really happens. It
just bothers me that it could be something else. I
don't know if it's just you know, with that mile
leage on it, I bought it used. Maybe I just
need to do a tune up and you know, kind
of like what the other gentleman was talking about. Through that,
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you know, change out my plugs and my my coils
and see if it goes away then. But I've got
nothing to go on. I've got no codes. Or anything.
I've got no other problems. I've checked my air filter,
my air, my air flows fine, my fuel, my fuel
is fine.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Okay, what about the mass airflow censor? Have you tried
to maybe clean that up?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
You know what, I don't remember. I know I got
the cleaner, but I don't remember actually cleaning it.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I would all right, well, let's I want to I
want to see I want to see you clean that.
Get that all cleaned up. Second thing, have you cleaned
the throttle body?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
No, I haven't actually physically taken it off. Same thing.
Maybe just take it, take it off and give it
a good, good doubting.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
So, so do you know if yours h if your
throttle body is cable driven or because I don't know
off the top of my is it cable driven or
is it drive by wire?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Where it's electronic, it's it's cable Okay, all right, good good.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
That was something they should have never ever ever changed,
but they did. All the manufacturers went to electronic, and man,
those things cause all kinds of issues.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
So what I would tell you to do is, yes.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Since we're gonna get throttle plate cleaner and mass airflow
sensor cleaner take that. You know you're gonna you're gonna
take that intake tube off, So there's where your mass
airflow center will be cleaned. That off, and then you
know you should be able since it's it's cable driven,
you can just manually open that up. Get yourself a night,
(23:37):
a scrub brush, a towel, throttle plate cleaner. I want
you spray that out down, so I want you to
get all the carbon. Sometimes what will happen is carbon
carbon builds up inside that throttle plate and it'll stick.
And sometimes again when it's hot or whatnot, it can
cause that plate to stick a little and not open
up like it's supposed to and just not operate. I
want to eliminate those two things. Not saying that it's
(23:59):
gonna fix it, but let's eliminate those two things from
the factor.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I mean it like if a throttle body is cable driven.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
I've never ever seen a bad throttle body cable driven.
So but with two hundred thousand miles, those are two
things that you can do on a Saturday.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Do this afternoon. You can clean those things.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
I just want to rule those out of I mean,
very well, could be that the throttle plate's just so
gummed up and has so much carbon built up in it.
It's just that plate sticking, you know, because obviously once
you start, once that throttle plate's wide open, you're not
really having an issue, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
So yeah, and again I'm not.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Saying that because that's just good making anyway, I guess.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, and before you do, I mean, I
mean a tune up. Typically, Yes, what a tune up
allow the car to run better whatnot? Sure, but I
don't think with it idlean low and almost kind of
feels like it's choking out, not getting enough fuel or
not getting enough.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Air or whatnot. We want to make sure.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
And again that throttle plate, I don't care, how know,
it doesn't matter how dirty that thing is. It'll never
set a code ever. So and with you, you don't have
any codes. And again i'd get a nice scrub brush,
I mean even an old toothbrush if you want to.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Throttle plate cleaner, mass airflow sensor cleaner. Let's get those
cleaned up and let's eliminate that from the from the process.
I want you to do that first and let me
know if anything changes. If not, we could have some
type of you know, air getting in that's after the
mass airflow sensor, like an intake gasket that's kind of
sucking in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Does it seem to do it even?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Does it seem to do it all the time or
only when it's cold, only when it's hot?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
When is it? When do you notice it the most?
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Typically?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It seems like when I notice it is when I
leave from work and I've got to get gas right away,
you know, and I'll maybe go not even a mile
down the road and I'm out of pump, and if
I have that engine running, that's when I noticed it.
I don't originally notice it any other time other than
when I've just started it up for a short period
of time and it's just okay.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
So when you so, when you go to the gas station,
you leave the vehicle running right, okay, And that's when
you notice it the most that are kind of getting
choked out and not running right.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Okay. Let me ask you this. Do you ever pump
the truck with it off? No? Okay, I want you
to try that once for me. Try that once next
time you get gas, shut the truck off, and I
want you to see let me know if it's hard
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to start, so we could be What we could be
dealing with is maybe an evapp line, a cancer charcoal
cancer or event valve or purge valve that's bad, that's
stuck open, and when you're pumping it, those fumes that
are going you know, if you've got to now again, yes,
it should set a code. If you've got a bad
purge valve or event valve, it should set a code.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It should, but that doesn't mean it always will, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
So whether it be a h six or two hundred
thousand miles, you could be when you're pumping it, those
fumes are kind of going into the engine.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
It's flooding it out.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
It's it's you know, the car has to equate for
the right amount of fuel and the right amount of air. Well,
if you're pumping it with gas and those those fumes
that are in the tank are also going into the engine,
could be choking it out as well.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So we could be dealing with the purchase.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
The reason I want you to shut it off is
if you pump the truck up full of gas and
then you go to start it and it takes a
couple of times to crank or cranks it has an
extended crank, then we could be dealing with an EVAP
issue where you know you where what we could do
is just do what's called a smoke test and smoke
it try to figure out if the purge valves bat
or the vent valve or something like that. But again,
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in theory, they should set code. So let's just go
keep it simple. Clean the mass airflow, clean the throttle body,
and then you report back to me and let me
know if anything changed.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Not good enough, I appreciate hell, no problem.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
You have a great weekend, all right.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
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Uh okay, all right, all right here listening to the
car showing fifty five krs the talk station. Oh man,
we could still have some fun around here, so uh
taking your car questions. I have running short on time,
and if you don't get through today, I do apologize.
I know the show is a little too short, but
I'll be back next Saturday to answer all of your
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car questions. So all right, let's go back to the phones.
So we've got John, who's been patiently waiting. John, Welcome
to the car show. How can I help?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Well, I hope this is not as bad as it looks.
So all my warning lights are on. It's not just
the check engine light, all of them are on. There's
four game gifts from the left to the right, or
temperature tack betometer and oil gauge. The pack and the
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needles on the tack and the temperature gage flop up
and down while I'm driving. Now, there's no change in
performance that I've noticed, And I've checked all the other
electronics on the car, and the only things that seemed
not to be working are the air conditioner and the
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two courtesy lights on the back passenger doors are the
back doors on both sides drivers and the passenger side.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Wow Jesus, all right, did all of this? Did this
all happen at once?
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Well, the low pressure on the tire came up first,
but it happens periodically. I didn't think anything about it,
and I filled it up and it went off and
everything it was fine. And then just one day I
turned the car on and all the lights are on.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
But there's no performance. You don't see you have any
performance issues or nothing.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
No, the car seems to run fine.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Okay, all right, have you had anybody look at it yet?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
No? Because I hate going to the dealer.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Well, you don't have to go to.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
The dealer, you know, you can go to a you
can go to a local repair shop. I mean, or
what by by dealer. Do you mean you just don't
like going to the automotive repair shop.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
No, I don't like going to the accurate dealer. And
so that brought up the next question is do independent
shops are they able to do electronic or Oh?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Absolutely, yes, we could do Absolutely we could do that
for you or any other local repair shop. Says you're
up there in Mason, so you're not too far from me,
but absolutely we could do that for you. I mean,
the thing is is John, I mean there, I mean,
just going off of what you're telling me, I mean,
it could be anything. It could be a bad It
could be a bad computer, because it sounds like you've
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got kind of a series of things, but could be
a bad computer in the car, could be a bad
ground issue. There's some type of ground issue, could be
a bad some type of that car has several modules,
which are basically computers. One of those computers that operates
all of those systems could be down. I mean, there's
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a you know, it could be something that's very you know,
right there in your face, or it could be something
that we're gonna it's gonna be a needle in a
haysack and we're gonna try to track down what the
issue is.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I think the I think the first step is we
need to hook it.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Up to a computer, a scan tool, a scanner, not
just you know, no I'm not dogging on an AutoZone,
but not taking it to AutoZone and them telling you what,
you know, what they think is wrong with it. Auto
Zone is designed AutoZone is their job is to sell parts,
not fixed cars.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
My job is to fix cars.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
So you know, yes, absolutely, a reputable shop could hook
it up to a good scan tool and then be
able to do all the proper testing to try to
figure out exactly why those lights are on and why
you're having those issues that you are having. Those things
can again and it could be something that's so you know,
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we we hook it up and within you know, within
an hour, we've got it all figured out and you
know we've got we you know, we have a solution
for it. Or it could be something that hey, we're
gonna have to do more testing. And of course, people
be honest with you as far as like hey, John,
we spend an hour and we're still not exactly you know,
where we're you know, where we need be at to
figure out exactly what's going to fix this thing. But yes,
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a reputable shop can take care of that for you
and fix that and you don't need to go to
the dealer to fix this thing. So but I think
our first step is we've got to get it too
a scan tool. We've got to hook it up because
you know, these cars nowadays there you know, I've said
it a million times on the show, but that you know,
we're dealing with computers on wheels nowadays. I mean there's
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not a lot of I mean, it's there are mechanical parts,
but there's a far more electronic parts in the vehicle
than they're there than mechanical, you know what I mean.
So but yeah, we we could take a look at
that for you if you'd like, or if you want
to find a local repair shop. You know, the the
thing is is you want to make sure that you know,
you find one that's reputable, that has good, you know,
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good reviews, and you know, in all in all, honesty
has been around for a while, not Joe Schmoe that's
been in business for five years. I kind of stay
clear for I'm not saying that people that have been
in business five years aren't being honest.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
But you know, somebody like us.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
You know, I'm third generation, you know, been in business
for sixty six years.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I mean, we we take pride in what we do.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
So you know, you want to find a good local
repair shop, but don't you don't need to go to
the dealer in order to get that thing.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Fixed for you?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (34:35):
For instance, for your shop, is that something that I
could wait while you do the diagnostics for Would I.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Have to leave it?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
No, you don't need to leave it. I mean I
prefer to. I'd prefer to leave it. I prefer to
leave it just because a lot of times people don't
know exactly. You know, it might take us an hour
to fix it, it might take us to days to
fix it, right, but what we could do is at
least gain an hour. Let's get a grasp of what
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we're maybe dealing with, and you wait for it then
and if we're like, hey, John, it's probably gonna need
you know, more time, then maybe we we You know,
we have a driver, I can I can get I
can get you ride home, we can get your loaner car,
we can you know, We'll accommodate in any way that
we can in order to get your car fixed properly
and you back out on the road. And like I said,
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it does say you're up here in Mason. You're up
in Mason. You know. I've got a good buddy mine
Foreign Exchange, Westchester. It's it's not too far from you.
It's right by up by seventy five, but that that
wouldn't be too far from you. His name's Austin Buddy Mine.
He's a great, great guy, great shop as well. You know,
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you can use him or you can bring it to me,
whatever you prefer. But for an exchange west Yeah, Foreign Exchange, Westchester,
it's near seventy five, close to you up there, Mason,
or you know, you give me a buzz and I'll
take a look at it for you as well.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Great, Thank you very much, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
You were very welcome. John. You have a great day.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
So you know the thing about you know, all his issues, man,
I mean all could be related to just one, you know,
a body control module or a main computer or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
But unless you hook it up to a scan tool.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
And again when I say scan tool, I'm not talking
about going to some fly by night shop and just
go hooking it up to the scanner. That's not a
diagnostic it really isn't. All they're doing is it's it's
it's a guess. Oh well it's got this code, so
I guess it needs this. I mean, I had a
gentleman in the shop on Friday. He goes, hey, I
need you to put a thrmerstat in my truck asap today.
(36:47):
And I'm like, well, I'm just like, I got a
full schedule, you know. He's like, I really need it
done today. So I called around to a couple of
shops I know, and I'm like, they can't get you in.
So I said, what's going on. Why do you need
a thermostat. He goes, well, I've I took it to
a and they looked at this code and they said
I need a thermostat, and MIGHT go, well, let me
see the code. It was a p O one twenty
eight coolant, which is coolant tempt not getting up to
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the normal operating tempature. I said, I said, look, you
don't need this thermostat. You need a thermostad, but you
don't need to do it today. He goes, well, I'm
taking it back to where I bought it on Wednesday.
I'm like well, then you're fine. I said, the code
that you have in there and it doesn't say you know. Again,
not picking on Orizon, I'm just saying at Zone was like,
you need a thermostad? Well, yes, did you need one?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (37:28):
But he's frantic because he's like, I just bought this truck.
I don't want to keep driving it because I'm concerned
that I'm going to damage the vehicle. And I'm like,
look that that code that's in there is because the
thermostat is stuck open and it's not getting up to
the regulator that normal operating temperature. So you know, he's
concerned that the car is going to overheat and I'm like, no,
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it's the opposite. It's stuck open and the car is
not getting up to the normal temperature. That's why it's
flagging it. So I said, you're okay to drive it.
Keep your eye on the temperature gauge, which I showed
them where it's at. I said, keep your eye on
it in case things go south and it sticks closed,
which I've never seen happen, but it could happen. And
I said, you know, just make sure. I said, you're
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not gonna hurt anything. It's just not getting up to
operating tempta rate. So this guy's frantic trying to get
into any shop he possibly can to get a thermist
pet thermostat putting this thing, and I was like, you know,
but he's like, I gotta take it back to where
I bought it, blah blahlah. I'm like, you're fine until Wednesday.
You're not going to hurt anything. You're just you're perfectly fine.
And sometimes people, some people just get so wrapped up
and well that's what I gotta do. And that's why
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a proper diagnosis. Yes, is it going to cost you money? Yes,
But if you were having stomach pain, or headache pain
or knee pain, would you just go to the you know,
to your you know, I don't know your local. I
don't know, uh, you know, Walgrange or CVS and go, hey,
(38:54):
my knee hurts. What I would need? No, what would
you do? You would go to a professional. You would
go to a doctor who specializes in something like that.
And yes, is it gonna cost you money, yes, but
you will be far better ahead by doing that, spending
the money and having a proper, properly diagnosed. Okay, So
again I'm not dogging on them or anything like that.
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But listen, these cars are very expensive, they're very nowadays,
very sophisticated, and it's something that you want to not
take lightly. There are things out there that you can do.
There are things, and I always encourage it, but when
it gets into these electronics, you really need to make
sure that you know what you're doing. I had a
gentleman that's trying to do his own breaks on his
wife's car, and these new cars have emergency brake pedals,
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and he caused himself three thousand dollars because he tried
to do it himself and it ended up going very badly.
So it's important to make sure you get it, you know,
looked at and diagnosed properly. So all right, listen, I
appreciate all the phone calls. If I did not get you,
I do apologize. Please call me back next Surrea. I'll
be back next Auray to answer all of your car questions. Everybody,
have a great and safe weekend and I will see
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you next week on the Car Show on fifty five KRC,
the talk station
On the road again.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Just can't wait to get all the road again.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
You have.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Good afternoon, and welcome to the car show. I'm Dan
Donavan taking all of your car questions. The number to
call five one three seven four nine fifty five hundred.
That number again, five one three seven four nine fifty
five hundred. The phone lines are wide open, so I'd
love to hear from you. It is a it is
a it's an almost perfect I mean, I shouldn't say almost.
(00:49):
It is an absolutely perfect day. I mean it's it's
gonna be, you know, Sonny and seventy five. You can't
go wrong with it. No humidity, I mean, you know,
we don't get many days like this, and it's nice
to enjoy it. My son had a soccer game this
morning at eleven. My mental son has a football game
at twelve thirty, which I'm kind of missing right now.
(01:11):
But and then we've got the football game tomorrow. So
busy weekend in sports as usual my in my household.
But do enjoy it, and so but again the number
call five one three seven fifty five hundred.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Listen. It was it was another another busy week had.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
But things are a little soft and I think and
you know, I've been doing this a long time. But
you know, every time, right up to an election, you
start to see people kind of I shouldn't say say no,
but they don't say yes to everything, right, So you
call them up, tell them what they need, and yeah, well,
you know, let's just do what's what I have to
(01:56):
do right now.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And uh, you know, I mean, I get it. A
lot of people don't understand.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Uh, you know, they're concerned about making any type of
big purchases or financial decisions until the election happens. But unfortunately,
even whoever gets in doesn't matter. You're still going to
need your car to get to work, right. So it was, uh,
but you know, it's it's just weird. It happens every time.
And you know, some of the guys were like, wait,
(02:22):
what's going on. It's just like, man, people just they
just get a little bit finicky when it comes to, uh,
making major purchases or spending any type of money until
the election comes up. And I know that's coming up
really quickly, so I should pick back up, especially if
we start getting some colder temperatures. But so all right,
let's go back, let's go to the phones. We've got Russ. Hey, Russ,
(02:44):
welcome to the car show. How can I help?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Hey? I got a two thousand Silverado five point three
engine in it, and I replaced the knock sensors. Okay
and question, and I had had the message for the
knock center, so I went ahead and did that. Gould
a man of fle replace them, and I don't get
the the message anymore. Cleared the message, however, it doesn't
(03:09):
seem that I've been on other websites looking. It looks
like you have to two ways to test it with
the You get your OEMs reading, which mind checked. Fine. However,
when you knock on the manifold, it does not change anything.
(03:30):
And what I've read is it should do that. So
that's my question is do I need to replace them again?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
So what it says here is what what year? It
says a Chevy Silverado?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
What year is it?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Two thousand? It's five point three eight?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
And you were getting it was it a check engine
light that was coming on and saying that the knock
sensor was coding?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay? And was there one or two underneath?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
There? There's two?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Okay? And you play bo what about the harness?
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So replace that also.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Okay, all right, good good, good, good god.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
Man.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
I can't remember ever, I can't remember off the top
of my head ever having to replace a knock sensor
on a Chevy Silver.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Is it a five point three liter?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (04:18):
So okay, so you you owned it out. Everything's good,
test good there. But you're saying that did you put
the intake back on it, like put everything back together?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yes, yes, it runs and it runs pretty good, but
it doesn't have the power. It doesn't act like the
knock sensors are doing anything. So I read where if
you knock on the engine, did mimic an engine knock
it should retard the timing, which, mind doesn't have any effect.
I can knock on them all I want with a pin,
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you know, with a screwdriver or a hammer or anything
on the manifold next, you know, as close as I
can get to the knock sensor change on anything.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I have to be honest with you, I've never had
I've never heard that. Where did you see that? Did
you see that online about knocking on the intake? Yes,
uh huh, I've never heard that method. I don't man
that that's that's a great question. I've never heard of
anybody actually physically knocking on the intake to cause that thing.
(05:22):
But anyways, you're still after replacement message has gone, but you.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Still have a lack of power.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Yes, okay, I mean is it like when you're getting
on the highway when you experience is it going up inclines?
When are you experiencing the lack of power or is
it just all the time.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
On the interstate. I won't get any messages except when
I get on the Interstate, probably about thirty miles into it,
and if I pull a long constant grade, it seems
like it downshifts a lot more, you know when it
shouldn't be and that's when you'll get the service engine
right now. So I redded you on YouTube and they
(06:02):
said there's two things to test the knock sensors, and
one was the resistance which minor find there and I
bought the GM replacement, you know, the genuine parts. And
the other way to test it is to they say
you don't even need it in the car. Of course
I didn't take it out of the car and check it,
but they say they should eknit a AC signal electrical
(06:24):
signal when you knock on it because there's a diode
or some type of crystal in there. Yeah, and it
doesn't do that. I can't get a signal doing that.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Okay. How many miles are on this thing?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Two fifty?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Okay, all right? What about what about a tuneup? How
recently have you done a tune up?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Well, I've replaced everything, plugs, wires, coils and through the
whole scenario, put cleaner through the the injectors.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Okay, what about the fuel filter? Have you replaced that?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yep? I've replaced that a couple of times, and I
just did it recently, all right?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
And then had did you test the fuel pump pressure
to make sure that you have plenty of fuel pump pressure?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yep? I read I read that online too, did check
get Yeah, it's right where it should be constant fifty five?
I believe what I read.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And then I mean, did you buy how long have
you owned this that you got two hundred fifty thousand
miles on it?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Did you buy it brand new or yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I bought it new?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Okay, so you know the vehicle very well? I don't know.
I don't think. What about well, so you don't have
any more lights coming on? Right, or did you say
the service light was coming on?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
The service engine light will come on. I can drive
it around town all day for a week and nothing.
But since I get on the interstate and take off,
like I said, about thirty miles or thirty minutes into it,
that's the service engine.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Soon light will come on and have those coats go ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It has the random three hundred missfire.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Okay, all right, well that will that will certainly cause
a lack of power. So the random so you said
you replaced the plugs, and you replace the wires.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And the coils and all the coils. Yep, okay, man,
you've been all over this thing.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Well, I mean the thing about the the so the
po three hundreds of random cylinder misfire, and again that
can be caused by an injector or multiple injectors not
doing what they're supposed to do. Or how old are
the coils? Did you put ac delcal coils in or
aftermarket or.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Their after market but you know they didn't change anything,
So I don't associate those with not fixing the problem.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Right right now, I don't think that. I don't think
your knock sensors are your problem.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
We gotta we need to address that PO three hundred,
but we need to find out exactly what's causing it.
What about the mass airflow sensor C Have you cleaned
it or checked it or replaced it.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I've ran cleaner through it, I've never replaced it.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Okay, but you're not getting a mass airflows as your
code anyways.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
But I'm just I'm just trying to cover your base.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I'm just trying to cover all the bases here, trying
to figure out how we can get this thing resolved
for you. Who I'm kind of at a kind of
wrapping my brain around this, just trying to figure out.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Man. Umm, I think you've done.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I think you've done everything you possibly can, but obviously
something what about let me ask you something.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Did you have the random misfire or.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
The the that before the knock sensor codes?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yes, okay, that was the.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Original, so you had to three hundred, and then you
also had the knock sensor code, So you did you
went ahead and did the knock sensors.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah. Like I said, I got on YouTube and it
sounded like that's pretty popular with this engine at least
when I worried about knock sensors because you know, like
I said, I got the code, so of course that's
what I looked at got on there to see what
people said.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah, all right, Well well, I mean, if if you'd like,
I mean, I could take a look at it for you,
try to help you out here, so save you some time.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
It says here Union, Kentucky. You're not too far away
from you.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I'm okay, I'm just about I'm about fifteen minutes north
of downtown Cincinnati. So I'll be more happy to at
least look at it for you, and we'll rack our
brain together. I'll have my tech look at it and
just we'll try to figure out exactly what.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
We can do.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And I mean, I think at this point we're gonna
need to hook it up to a scan tool and
just try to figure out exactly while we're driving it.
While we're running it, figuring out which cylinder's causing the misfire.
Now again, three hundred is a random so something either
I don't know, the intake ask gets taken in too much,
something's something's just not adding up on this thing.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But Russ, I'll be more happy to take a look
at it for you.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Sounds good to me, And I think if you've got time.
If you can call me this week. I can give
you the number if you'd like.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, I will do that, yep, when you're ready, I'm ready.
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Speaker 3 (11:44):
So, okay, we'll do all right.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Thanks for ross. All right, you take you take care
of a good weekend. All right, bye bye, all.
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Taking your car questions is the number called five one
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five hundred. Sorry I was I was yawning and I
couldn't so let's go back to the phone. So you've
got Dick, Hey, Dick, welcome to the car show.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
How can I help?
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Thanks? I got a two thousand and seven Saturn. I
I went to a local parks place and they gave
me a misfire cylinder one. I took it home and
I checked in and I'm getting spark cylinder one. So
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I've taken all of the plugs out, I've taken all
of the coil over out. Now I know the plugs
are bad. By the way, real quick, when you look
at the where you would set the gap, that's the
spark plug. Is that more like a blunt end or
is it a needle?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Yeah, I'm indicating to you that I've got warm plugs,
but instead of it being what I recall being a
blunt surface, Yeah, it's more like a.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
New point like you said.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Right, So if it's a needle point like that, that
is a platinum plug.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Oh so it's it's it's.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
What you've had, you know, the flat point that you
have that you talked about gap or whatnot.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
And is that gap still to be set at at forty?
So says the book.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
So if you have a platinum plug, they do not
need to be set. They're already pre set. They're already
ready to go. All you need to do is drop
them in there.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Okay, how do I how do I test the coil
to see if the coil is bad? Mark that I
had the coil in my hand and there's four pins.
As you rotate the connector so that you can see
the four pins inside? How do I test the second, first,
or secondary gigs?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
So what I would suggest you do is if you
had a mark.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Typically, if you've got a misfire, what you want to
do to confirm whether it's a spark plug or a coil.
What you do is you mark the coils with a
some type of marker, right, or lipstick or chapstick or whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
And you you take cylinder number one.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Coil and you swap it with two, or you swap
it with four. You take four coil and one coil
and you swap them and you start it up. If
that misfire moves, then we know we got a coil problem.
If the misfire stays where it's at, then we got
a spark plug issue.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That would be the easiest way to do it.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Okay, but yeah, you test the coil.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Not no, not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
I didn't think so.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
No, the guy.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
The guy didn't know.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Now I I don't know of anybody that can test
the coil. I mean some of these guys could probably
you know, hook it up and do it. But most people,
especially parts places, aren't going to have the ability to
do that. But like I said, the easiest thing for
you to do is just swap the coils and then
again if the if the misfire moves, then it's a
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coil issue. If it stays at that same cylinder, then
it's a spark plug issue. And again with your spark plug,
you don't have a standard plug.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well you probably the car pike.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Did come with the standard plug, but probably what they
gave you was a platinum plug.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Okay, that's what it's a little bit different.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
But again, when platinum plug does not need to be
set or gapped, it's already pre gapped and ready to go.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Okay, these are all plugs, these were all These were
not new. It's the same that the plugs I took
out are the plugs ever ran? So I'm thinking, how
do I set that gap? Anyway, in cylindender number two,
it was full of engine oil.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Well that's a problem too, So you need a valve
cover gasket. The valve covers butt leaking oil. So you
got those spark plug tube. See, so you've got a
valve cover, it's got the valve cover gasket, and then
there's four spark plug tube seals and those seals are
no longer doing their job, so that oil is getting
in and filling in.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
That spark plug tube. So you need a valve cover
gasket as well.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Okay, well I got more interest in that barge. But
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
All right, you take care, you tell you by bye.
There's a lot of buzzing in there. I apologize for that.
But yeah, if you've.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Ever you know, want to work on now again some
of your I mean, you can do this with a
six cylinder car or a V eight or whatnot, but
excuse me. You know, if you've ever got a misfire
and you want to identify whether or not it's a
spark plug issue or coil issue, like I was just
telling Dick there, take the spark plug, the coils and
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just swap them with two different cylinders, right and again.
If it moves, then you know you got a coil
issue because the coil, the ignition coil, is what sends
spark to the spark plug.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
You know years ago, uh you would have a distributor
and one coil and you know, or you'd have a
distributor that would send the spark and then they came
with like a coil pack. Now each individual cylinder has
an ignition coil, okay, and those coils will break down eventually,
you just don't you don't know when. But commonly most
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of the time, I'd say it's fifty to fifty. Half
the time it's spark plugs, half the time it's coil.
But in order if you're trying to do it yourself,
which is perfectly fine and most tune ups you can
do by yourself. But if you want to figure out
if it's a spark plug issue or coil issue, again,
swap the coils and if they if a misfire moves,
it's coil issue. If it stays at that cylinder, it's
(18:39):
a spark plug issue, okay, before it's It's very smart though,
if you're going to do this type of work yourself again,
like I told Dick, mark those coils, just get a
paint marker. You can buy one at any part local
autopart store. Buy a paint marker and mark them one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
how many, however, how many cylinders you have w when
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you take them off, you want to put them back
on at the same uh where they came from. If
you can't, you don't have to, but that way, if
there's another Again, if one coil starts to fail, you
never know when the next one's gonna fail. And having
them properly marked will help you. Okay, So it's important.
So all right, taking your phone calls and I'm gonna
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car show. How can I help?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Well, I got a six don Jakota three point seven
ter little V six. I'm just over two hundred thousand
on it and I've had it for several years now,
but it's always had a little ongoing issue like maybe
I'm standing at the pump and I'm getting gas and
I've got you know, got it running because it's cold
outstarder whatever. But you can hear it almost like it's
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gonna die out, almost just like there's no fuel or
something or just you know, it's choking out and just
carvel's way way down. But then it's reved right backed up,
and it's fine. I don't have any codes. I have replaced.
About a year ago, I replaced the fuel pump because
it did go out, so I got a new fuel pump,
new filter, all that, so that didn't change anything as
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far as that goes. I still have that problem. But
you know, other than just hearing it every now and then,
I don't really notice it that when I'm driving it,
so I don't know how often it really happens. It
just bothers me that it could be something else. I
don't know if it's just you know, with that mile
leage on it, I bought it used. Maybe I just
need to do a tune up and you know, kind
of like what the other gentleman was talking about. Through that,
(22:11):
you know, change out my plugs and my my coils
and see if it goes away then. But I've got
nothing to go on. I've got no codes. Or anything.
I've got no other problems. I've checked my air filter,
my air, my air flows fine, my fuel, my fuel
is fine.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Okay, what about the mass airflow censor? Have you tried
to maybe clean that up?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
You know what, I don't remember. I know I got
the cleaner, but I don't remember actually cleaning it.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I would all right, well, let's I want to I
want to see I want to see you clean that.
Get that all cleaned up. Second thing, have you cleaned
the throttle body?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
No, I haven't actually physically taken it off. Same thing.
Maybe just take it, take it off and give it
a good, good doubting.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
So, so do you know if yours h if your
throttle body is cable driven or because I don't know
off the top of my is it cable driven or
is it drive by wire?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Where it's electronic, it's it's cable Okay, all right, good good.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
That was something they should have never ever ever changed,
but they did. All the manufacturers went to electronic, and man,
those things cause all kinds of issues.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
So what I would tell you to do is, yes.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Since we're gonna get throttle plate cleaner and mass airflow
sensor cleaner take that. You know you're gonna you're gonna
take that intake tube off, So there's where your mass
airflow center will be cleaned. That off, and then you
know you should be able since it's it's cable driven,
you can just manually open that up. Get yourself a night,
(23:37):
a scrub brush, a towel, throttle plate cleaner. I want
you spray that out down, so I want you to
get all the carbon. Sometimes what will happen is carbon
carbon builds up inside that throttle plate and it'll stick.
And sometimes again when it's hot or whatnot, it can
cause that plate to stick a little and not open
up like it's supposed to and just not operate. I
want to eliminate those two things. Not saying that it's
(23:59):
gonna fix it, but let's eliminate those two things from
the factor.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I mean it like if a throttle body is cable driven.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
I've never ever seen a bad throttle body cable driven.
So but with two hundred thousand miles, those are two
things that you can do on a Saturday.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Do this afternoon. You can clean those things.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
I just want to rule those out of I mean,
very well, could be that the throttle plate's just so
gummed up and has so much carbon built up in it.
It's just that plate sticking, you know, because obviously once
you start, once that throttle plate's wide open, you're not
really having an issue, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
So yeah, and again I'm not.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Saying that because that's just good making anyway, I guess.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, and before you do, I mean, I
mean a tune up. Typically, Yes, what a tune up
allow the car to run better whatnot? Sure, but I
don't think with it idlean low and almost kind of
feels like it's choking out, not getting enough fuel or
not getting enough.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Air or whatnot. We want to make sure.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
And again that throttle plate, I don't care, how know,
it doesn't matter how dirty that thing is. It'll never
set a code ever. So and with you, you don't have
any codes. And again i'd get a nice scrub brush,
I mean even an old toothbrush if you want to.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Throttle plate cleaner, mass airflow sensor cleaner. Let's get those
cleaned up and let's eliminate that from the from the process.
I want you to do that first and let me
know if anything changes. If not, we could have some
type of you know, air getting in that's after the
mass airflow sensor, like an intake gasket that's kind of
sucking in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Does it seem to do it even?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Does it seem to do it all the time or
only when it's cold, only when it's hot?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
When is it? When do you notice it the most?
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Typically?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It seems like when I notice it is when I
leave from work and I've got to get gas right away,
you know, and I'll maybe go not even a mile
down the road and I'm out of pump, and if
I have that engine running, that's when I noticed it.
I don't originally notice it any other time other than
when I've just started it up for a short period
of time and it's just okay.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
So when you so, when you go to the gas station,
you leave the vehicle running right, okay, And that's when
you notice it the most that are kind of getting
choked out and not running right.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Okay. Let me ask you this. Do you ever pump
the truck with it off? No? Okay, I want you
to try that once for me. Try that once next
time you get gas, shut the truck off, and I
want you to see let me know if it's hard
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to start, so we could be What we could be
dealing with is maybe an evapp line, a cancer charcoal
cancer or event valve or purge valve that's bad, that's
stuck open, and when you're pumping it, those fumes that
are going you know, if you've got to now again, yes,
it should set a code. If you've got a bad
purge valve or event valve, it should set a code.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It should, but that doesn't mean it always will, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
So whether it be a h six or two hundred
thousand miles, you could be when you're pumping it, those
fumes are kind of going into the engine.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
It's flooding it out.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
It's it's you know, the car has to equate for
the right amount of fuel and the right amount of air. Well,
if you're pumping it with gas and those those fumes
that are in the tank are also going into the engine,
could be choking it out as well.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So we could be dealing with the purchase.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
The reason I want you to shut it off is
if you pump the truck up full of gas and
then you go to start it and it takes a
couple of times to crank or cranks it has an
extended crank, then we could be dealing with an EVAP
issue where you know you where what we could do
is just do what's called a smoke test and smoke
it try to figure out if the purge valves bat
or the vent valve or something like that. But again,
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in theory, they should set code. So let's just go
keep it simple. Clean the mass airflow, clean the throttle body,
and then you report back to me and let me
know if anything changed.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Not good enough, I appreciate hell, no problem.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
You have a great weekend, all right.
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Uh okay, all right, all right here listening to the
car showing fifty five krs the talk station. Oh man,
we could still have some fun around here, so uh
taking your car questions. I have running short on time,
and if you don't get through today, I do apologize.
I know the show is a little too short, but
I'll be back next Saturday to answer all of your
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car questions. So all right, let's go back to the phones.
So we've got John, who's been patiently waiting. John, Welcome
to the car show. How can I help?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Well, I hope this is not as bad as it looks.
So all my warning lights are on. It's not just
the check engine light, all of them are on. There's
four game gifts from the left to the right, or
temperature tack betometer and oil gauge. The pack and the
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needles on the tack and the temperature gage flop up
and down while I'm driving. Now, there's no change in
performance that I've noticed, And I've checked all the other
electronics on the car, and the only things that seemed
not to be working are the air conditioner and the
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two courtesy lights on the back passenger doors are the
back doors on both sides drivers and the passenger side.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Wow Jesus, all right, did all of this? Did this
all happen at once?
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Well, the low pressure on the tire came up first,
but it happens periodically. I didn't think anything about it,
and I filled it up and it went off and
everything it was fine. And then just one day I
turned the car on and all the lights are on.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
But there's no performance. You don't see you have any
performance issues or nothing.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
No, the car seems to run fine.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Okay, all right, have you had anybody look at it yet?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
No? Because I hate going to the dealer.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Well, you don't have to go to.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
The dealer, you know, you can go to a you
can go to a local repair shop. I mean, or
what by by dealer. Do you mean you just don't
like going to the automotive repair shop.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
No, I don't like going to the accurate dealer. And
so that brought up the next question is do independent
shops are they able to do electronic or Oh?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Absolutely, yes, we could do Absolutely we could do that
for you or any other local repair shop. Says you're
up there in Mason, so you're not too far from me,
but absolutely we could do that for you. I mean,
the thing is is John, I mean there, I mean,
just going off of what you're telling me, I mean,
it could be anything. It could be a bad It
could be a bad computer, because it sounds like you've
(31:49):
got kind of a series of things, but could be
a bad computer in the car, could be a bad
ground issue. There's some type of ground issue, could be
a bad some type of that car has several modules,
which are basically computers. One of those computers that operates
all of those systems could be down. I mean, there's
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a you know, it could be something that's very you know,
right there in your face, or it could be something
that we're gonna it's gonna be a needle in a
haysack and we're gonna try to track down what the
issue is.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I think the I think the first step is we
need to hook it.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Up to a computer, a scan tool, a scanner, not
just you know, no I'm not dogging on an AutoZone,
but not taking it to AutoZone and them telling you what,
you know, what they think is wrong with it. Auto
Zone is designed AutoZone is their job is to sell parts,
not fixed cars.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
My job is to fix cars.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
So you know, yes, absolutely, a reputable shop could hook
it up to a good scan tool and then be
able to do all the proper testing to try to
figure out exactly why those lights are on and why
you're having those issues that you are having. Those things
can again and it could be something that's so you know,
(33:01):
we we hook it up and within you know, within
an hour, we've got it all figured out and you
know we've got we you know, we have a solution
for it. Or it could be something that hey, we're
gonna have to do more testing. And of course, people
be honest with you as far as like hey, John,
we spend an hour and we're still not exactly you know,
where we're you know, where we need be at to
figure out exactly what's going to fix this thing. But yes,
(33:23):
a reputable shop can take care of that for you
and fix that and you don't need to go to
the dealer to fix this thing. So but I think
our first step is we've got to get it too
a scan tool. We've got to hook it up because
you know, these cars nowadays there you know, I've said
it a million times on the show, but that you know,
we're dealing with computers on wheels nowadays. I mean there's
(33:44):
not a lot of I mean, it's there are mechanical parts,
but there's a far more electronic parts in the vehicle
than they're there than mechanical, you know what I mean.
So but yeah, we we could take a look at
that for you if you'd like, or if you want
to find a local repair shop. You know, the the
thing is is you want to make sure that you know,
you find one that's reputable, that has good, you know,
(34:05):
good reviews, and you know, in all in all, honesty
has been around for a while, not Joe Schmoe that's
been in business for five years. I kind of stay
clear for I'm not saying that people that have been
in business five years aren't being honest.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
But you know, somebody like us.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
You know, I'm third generation, you know, been in business
for sixty six years.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I mean, we we take pride in what we do.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
So you know, you want to find a good local
repair shop, but don't you don't need to go to
the dealer in order to get that thing.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Fixed for you?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (34:35):
For instance, for your shop, is that something that I
could wait while you do the diagnostics for Would I.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Have to leave it?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
No, you don't need to leave it. I mean I
prefer to. I'd prefer to leave it. I prefer to
leave it just because a lot of times people don't
know exactly. You know, it might take us an hour
to fix it, it might take us to days to
fix it, right, but what we could do is at
least gain an hour. Let's get a grasp of what
(35:06):
we're maybe dealing with, and you wait for it then
and if we're like, hey, John, it's probably gonna need
you know, more time, then maybe we we You know,
we have a driver, I can I can get I
can get you ride home, we can get your loaner car,
we can you know, We'll accommodate in any way that
we can in order to get your car fixed properly
and you back out on the road. And like I said,
(35:29):
it does say you're up here in Mason. You're up
in Mason. You know. I've got a good buddy mine
Foreign Exchange, Westchester. It's it's not too far from you.
It's right by up by seventy five, but that that
wouldn't be too far from you. His name's Austin Buddy Mine.
He's a great, great guy, great shop as well. You know,
(35:51):
you can use him or you can bring it to me,
whatever you prefer. But for an exchange west Yeah, Foreign Exchange, Westchester,
it's near seventy five, close to you up there, Mason,
or you know, you give me a buzz and I'll
take a look at it for you as well.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Great, Thank you very much, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
You were very welcome. John. You have a great day.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
So you know the thing about you know, all his issues, man,
I mean all could be related to just one, you know,
a body control module or a main computer or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
But unless you hook it up to a scan tool.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
And again when I say scan tool, I'm not talking
about going to some fly by night shop and just
go hooking it up to the scanner. That's not a
diagnostic it really isn't. All they're doing is it's it's
it's a guess. Oh well it's got this code, so
I guess it needs this. I mean, I had a
gentleman in the shop on Friday. He goes, hey, I
need you to put a thrmerstat in my truck asap today.
(36:47):
And I'm like, well, I'm just like, I got a
full schedule, you know. He's like, I really need it
done today. So I called around to a couple of
shops I know, and I'm like, they can't get you in.
So I said, what's going on. Why do you need
a thermostat. He goes, well, I've I took it to
a and they looked at this code and they said
I need a thermostat, and MIGHT go, well, let me
see the code. It was a p O one twenty
eight coolant, which is coolant tempt not getting up to
(37:07):
the normal operating tempature. I said, I said, look, you
don't need this thermostat. You need a thermostad, but you
don't need to do it today. He goes, well, I'm
taking it back to where I bought it on Wednesday.
I'm like well, then you're fine. I said, the code
that you have in there and it doesn't say you know. Again,
not picking on Orizon, I'm just saying at Zone was like,
you need a thermostad? Well, yes, did you need one?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (37:28):
But he's frantic because he's like, I just bought this truck.
I don't want to keep driving it because I'm concerned
that I'm going to damage the vehicle. And I'm like,
look that that code that's in there is because the
thermostat is stuck open and it's not getting up to
the regulator that normal operating temperature. So you know, he's
concerned that the car is going to overheat and I'm like, no,
(37:49):
it's the opposite. It's stuck open and the car is
not getting up to the normal temperature. That's why it's
flagging it. So I said, you're okay to drive it.
Keep your eye on the temperature gauge, which I showed
them where it's at. I said, keep your eye on
it in case things go south and it sticks closed,
which I've never seen happen, but it could happen. And
I said, you know, just make sure. I said, you're
(38:10):
not gonna hurt anything. It's just not getting up to
operating tempta rate. So this guy's frantic trying to get
into any shop he possibly can to get a thermist
pet thermostat putting this thing, and I was like, you know,
but he's like, I gotta take it back to where
I bought it, blah blahlah. I'm like, you're fine until Wednesday.
You're not going to hurt anything. You're just you're perfectly fine.
And sometimes people, some people just get so wrapped up
and well that's what I gotta do. And that's why
(38:33):
a proper diagnosis. Yes, is it going to cost you money? Yes,
But if you were having stomach pain, or headache pain
or knee pain, would you just go to the you know,
to your you know, I don't know your local. I
don't know, uh, you know, Walgrange or CVS and go, hey,
(38:54):
my knee hurts. What I would need? No, what would
you do? You would go to a professional. You would
go to a doctor who specializes in something like that.
And yes, is it gonna cost you money, yes, but
you will be far better ahead by doing that, spending
the money and having a proper, properly diagnosed. Okay, So
again I'm not dogging on them or anything like that.
(39:14):
But listen, these cars are very expensive, they're very nowadays,
very sophisticated, and it's something that you want to not
take lightly. There are things out there that you can do.
There are things, and I always encourage it, but when
it gets into these electronics, you really need to make
sure that you know what you're doing. I had a
gentleman that's trying to do his own breaks on his
wife's car, and these new cars have emergency brake pedals,
(39:38):
and he caused himself three thousand dollars because he tried
to do it himself and it ended up going very badly.
So it's important to make sure you get it, you know,
looked at and diagnosed properly. So all right, listen, I
appreciate all the phone calls. If I did not get you,
I do apologize. Please call me back next Surrea. I'll
be back next Auray to answer all of your car questions. Everybody,
have a great and safe weekend and I will see
(40:00):
you next week on the Car Show on fifty five KRC,
the talk station
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