January 15, 2025 • 23 mins
Award-winning filmmaker Dean Alioto discusses his new UFO documentary, "The Alien Perspective," -- currently available to stream digitally -- click here to watch the trailer: https://youtu.be/05Sk-Zsuq4k?si=NSss3X5rD55kaUV1
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The Alien Perspective offers a bold and groundbreaking take on the UFO and alien phenomenon. This first installment of a two-part movie series takes audiences on a journey unlike any before—exploring the UFO phenomenon not from humanity's viewpoint but, for the first time, from the perspective of the visitors themselves.
Seven years in the making, this unique project features insights from world-renowned scientists outside the UFO field, including NASA directors and esteemed professors from Oxford and more. These experts delve into the possible motivations and reasons behind extraterrestrial visits to Earth and their interactions with humans. The film not only examines compelling evidence from the most credible UFO cases but also explores how these encounters impact humanity on a deeper level. Whether you're a believer, a skeptic, or somewhere in between, The Alien Perspective invites you to consider the phenomenon in a whole new light.
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The Alien Perspective offers a bold and groundbreaking take on the UFO and alien phenomenon. This first installment of a two-part movie series takes audiences on a journey unlike any before—exploring the UFO phenomenon not from humanity's viewpoint but, for the first time, from the perspective of the visitors themselves.
Seven years in the making, this unique project features insights from world-renowned scientists outside the UFO field, including NASA directors and esteemed professors from Oxford and more. These experts delve into the possible motivations and reasons behind extraterrestrial visits to Earth and their interactions with humans. The film not only examines compelling evidence from the most credible UFO cases but also explores how these encounters impact humanity on a deeper level. Whether you're a believer, a skeptic, or somewhere in between, The Alien Perspective invites you to consider the phenomenon in a whole new light.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Jam Rice Show, All about Movies.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You're listening to the Jam Pray Show, All about Movies,
and today my guest is award winning filmmaker Dean Aliotto,
and we're going to be talking about his brand new
documentary entitled The Alien Perspective.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome to the show, Dean.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Thank you, and I'm really happy to be here. Gie.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's great to have you here. I'm going to here
we go.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
This is this is a very interesting perspective. Calling it
the Alien Perspective. You have become the expert in aliens
and UFOs. It seems like the expert documentary filmmaker.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I can assure you it wasn't my intention. It was.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I had made this film called the McPherson Tape, which
is reported to be the first found footage film ever
and right out of film school. And that film someone
edited off the credits and passed it around.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
The UFO communities being the real thing.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
So I actually end up going on national TV to
defunk my own film, maybe the only a filmmaker to
do this. And what happened then was five years later
it became this big conspiracy theory that I tried to
wash and squash it as much as I could, and
then at some point it just entered the lexicon of
(01:19):
the genre, not just horror and sci fi movies, but
also the UFO community. And so for the twenty fifth anniversary,
the International UFO Congress Convention reached out to me and said, Hey,
would you like to come here and talk to our community.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And at first I was nervous.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Because I didn't know, you know, how they would feel
about may be an associated with this film, even though
I'm firmly on record with you know, debunking it. I
take my work very serious. I don't take myself serian.
So I thought, if they're going to be fun and
have fun with it, then let's do it. And so
I went and I spoke for seventy five minutes, and
it was like a thousand people, and it was great.
They were just they're the loveliest people in the world.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And all through my.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Life I've always kind of been not an omtra share expert,
more of like an armshare prosumer with regards to the phenomenon.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It's fed my sci fi work.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
But going to the Congress, the convention, I met a
lot of interesting people, people that were professors at Montana Tech,
and at Harvard and all these other places, and realize
that this isn't just people who are have a kind
of a side hobby or fan of this. These are
people doing serious research. And so because I'd done documentaries
for A and E broad own Discovery, I thought, if
(02:28):
I could do a really nice premium documentary in this space,
I might be able to present it in a way
that will be more receptive to the general public, not
just the UFO community.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And that set me off.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
On this absolutely amazing the journey you're on and then
you change and you decide to this is very different
for you, right, the alien perspective.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
And so let's talk a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Tell the audience what the alien perspective is all about,
so when we're talking about it, they'll have a good
idea of what we're discussing.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Sure, Jeah.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So when you look at all the documentaries that are
out there, and there's a lot of great documentaries in
the space, they're all told from one perspective, that's the
human's perspective. And so I've also worked on prime shows
and the thing that I'm always interested in is looking
at it from the perpetrator's perspective, or maybe sometimes the
victims perspective, and that becomes a whole other area that
(03:20):
you glean so much more insight than you would just
you know, basically looking at yourself in the mirror. So
with that thesis in mind, I went and started doing
them these interviews, and I started with a couple. I
thought I would do fifteen interviews and I'd be done
in like nine months. With the film and the story,
this is twenty eighteen. And challenge with this genre, with
this basis at as soon as you talk to someone,
(03:41):
might We talked to NASA, and then NASA leads you
to SETI and then said he leads you somewhere else,
and then you keep going and these people say, oh, well,
if you're interested in this question, I might not be
able to answer it, but you need to go to
this person. And so it just became this you know,
kind of virus thing that spread to sixty six interviews
and four countries.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Amazing, amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
So you this is a two part documentary if I'm
that also very interesting?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So why did you decide to make it two parts?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I made it two parts because the first one is
kind of an introductory into this. We have fantastic professors
and experts. We've got Mitchell kal Ku who's pretty much
hosting the first part and giving his insights into looking
at it again as a hypothetical from the aaliens point
(04:32):
of view. And then we've also got Nick Bostrom, who
created the simulation reality hypothesis out of Oxford.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Which is that we're living in a simulate reality.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
And so it felt like this got people up to
a certain point. And there's plenty of mic drops in
there that people who are experts in this field have
never seen before.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
So it's not like this is just for the beginners.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
It's for you know, as the tagline is, it's for believers,
skeptics and everyone else. But the second one goes next
level and and you kind of need that first.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Primer to happen. In addition, there's a lot of animation
that goes into these things. I wanted to do two.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
D animation, hand drawn animation, which just hasn't been seen
also in this space, and I always love there's a
movie Oscar winning film called Searching for Sugar Mint documentary.
I tracked down that animator and he came on board
and did the first episode and we're still doing animation
on the second episode, so that is the timing that
(05:30):
we're doing as well, but the second one will probably
come out in May. But there's enough meaty stuff for
her to digest that you're in need to until.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Part two comes out exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
And you have created this like a mystery, just like
you said you like mysteries, and you've created this as
a as a mystery.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I love your opening scene.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
It's you know, like deep dark ci a type of thing. Yeah,
you know that people are like when you when you
start to watch it, you go, oh, this is going
to be very interesting and fest let's see where this goes.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah, well, again, that wasn't the initial inception idea.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
We didn't know that someone was going to come.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Across us, someone very credible who's a professor at Albany,
at University of Albany, who got his hands on some
material that may or may not be extradrestrial based. And
so that's that's kind of the snubplot that set us off.
And the big payoff is when it gets analyzed and
(06:31):
we get all those finances which we're going to be
presenting in.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
The perspective part two.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
So why did you take the opposite point of view
on this with this particular documentary.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yes, I think that if you know, a lot of
people talk about why would they visit us? Some might
say we're like ants to them if they're so advanced
that they can fly here from wherever they came, And
that's like saying, oh, well, they're should no longer be
entomologists at study ants here, so that that analogy doesn't
really work. I think that if they're coming here, they're
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coming here because they're curious. If they wanted to do
destruction then and when we look into all the scenarios
of why they would come here, again, look at it
from their perspective, and so I think that that also
holds a mirror, another kind of mirror up to us
by looking at from their perspective, to say, this is
how they're seeing us, and we see what's great about us,
(07:31):
and we see things that are not so great, and
so like with what's been going on with the world
and climate change and everything, it's like, if you're not
going to listen to the experts, maybe you'll listen to
you know, what what they have to say and people
that have interacted with these beings, and you'll see in
(07:52):
part of this and in part two they talk about
that that there's a concern that we are, you know,
kind of affecting and not a great way our planet.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And so you don't have to.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Be an alien to look and see that, right, So
it's really curious what they would think of us. I
will always look at their version of us as kind
of like looking at a TV show. Right, You've got
situation comedies, You've got these dramas, and they can be
dramas about.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Humanity great and then you have great violence.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Shows, action shows, and so that's kind of what humanity is,
and so on the scale of things. If you look
at it from their perspective, again, what you're doing is
you're looking from the future back at us because we
are so new on this planet.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
There were a few billion years before we showed up.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
And so if there is another intelligence species, as Mitchell
doctor Mitchell Kowcu says, there won't be just one hundred
years or one thousand years. They could be millions or
billions of years. So that advancement, if we can make
it there, what would we do and how would we
look at at a lesser technologiedvilization?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
And I think it's hubris for us to think that
there isn't anybody else out there besides us.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's kind of like Galileo. You know, no, no, no, no, no,
the sun revolves around us, not the other way around.
And people were throwing jail, et cetera. But it's it is,
it's it's. As a kid, I used to always look
out my window at the stars, and you know, when
(09:30):
you come from divorce family, you you know, sometimes it's
tough and you dream of other things and a better life.
But I would look out in the stars and I
would think, maybe there's someone from another planet who's going
through something similar, just like me, right, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I I'm filled with wonder of what that could be.
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
And as a filmmaker, I will make movies like you
know and be inspired by like Spielberg and other filmmakers.
But you know, working in documentaries, you get to talk
to peop people who can throw down and say, here's
a little teaser of what's to come, what we know
technology wise, what we're going to be capable of, and
what these beings or whatever they are, the intelligence that
are visiting us, what they have exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I had my very very very best friend who told
me that she was abducted by Alliance and she lived
in Tucson, Arizona, and she described it all and I mean,
she was just there was no doubt in her mind
that this had happened to her. And I guess I
can't remember she's passed away. She passed away quite a
(10:36):
while ago actually, but that they put something in her
like an implant, Yes, an implant, and she was seeking
out during her lifetime many other people who had the
same experience. And there are, as you know already, there
are a lot of groups out there and a lot
of people who feel that that they believe one hundred
(10:57):
percent that this did happen to them.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, it's a bit of a rabbit hole.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I mean, I start at NASA and go from NASA
to taking this to ultimately two experiencers and people that
have had interactions with beans.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That was a whole other rabbit hole.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And there was a professor John Mack, who I'm working
on a documentary about him. He was a Harvard professor.
He was the darling of Harvard, head of the psychiatric department,
went a Pulser Prize, and he heard about people who
claim to be abducted, and in his mind he's like, well,
I'm going to solve this. I'm going to crack this,
and we'll call it the John mac you know syndrome
(11:42):
or something. Instead, he discovered that these people all had
one component that threw off anyone's discrediting of these they
call themselves experiences, and that is that they suffer from PTSD.
So the thing with PTSD post traumatic disorder is you
can't fake that. It's it is literally trackable and the
(12:06):
brain quantifiable. And so he would comb through these people's
past to say, okay, well let's fine when that started,
and he wasn't able to find anything in their childhood
or anything before the events happened where they started to
experience these interactions with these beings, and so that threw
him for a loop, and he published a book. He
was on OPRAH, but he was you know, this is
(12:29):
this is the nineties, and Harvard went after him, tried
to fire him, they tried to revoke his license. It
was it was pretty scary and and so that again,
that's that which hunt you know, didn't happen too long ago.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
So my feeling with people who are experiencers, whether they're.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Having this experience emotionally, you know, mentally or or physically.
I use this description all the time. If I were
to say you, you know, oh you you saw a UFO?
What color was it? Do they have antennas? This and that,
(13:09):
you know, which is what what the media does. But
if I say to you, oh, you were abducted. Was
it a white van? Was it a black man? Was
a duct tape? Was it rope?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I mean talk about you, you'd have your butt canceled.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
But that type of empathy for someone who's been through something,
whether it's you know, emotional or physical, is needed in
this So anyone who tells me those stories, and I've
talked to people who are.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Homeland security people, people in the military.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
These are highly credible people that have had these experiences.
So but it's it's kind of we've been focusing on
the congressional hearings and stuff with UFOs, right, and and
they're doing everything but bringing out artifacts, you know, a
tailpipe the UFO. But the next level is is the
the experiencers who are having these pretty profound life changing
(14:01):
events in their life.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Do you think that Congress will call these.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
People they want to go I know plenty of them
that want to go before Congress. They want to have
a seat at the table, right and they should, but
it's really dodgy because what happens is you're basically going
to be telling the public you know, yes we're aware
of this, but there's nothing we can do to stop it.
(14:26):
And a lot of these experiences say that they don't
want to that. As terrifying as it is, that they're
also feeling like they're community with a higher intelligence and
what they get from it. I mean a lot of
people say that some of the side effects they get.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Like one of them, she went.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
She was in her twenties and she went and had
herself tested because she felt like, I'm understanding things that
I don't normally understand and this is assault of the earth.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Person growing up in the Midwest.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
She now works at or I think she retired from
working GMC on an assembly line. She went just for
the heck of it, and she took amensa test, you know,
an intelligence test, and she scored in.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
The top one percent.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
So it's a give and take, you know thing.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And again with the only perspective documentary, my goal is
to look at that and go you know, why would
they interact with us, what would what would be.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
The main catalyst for that?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
And also with the animation we actually do so like
the Dave Fraver and the Tic Tac and being a
jet pilot and seeing as craft go before him. I
can actually put you in the cockpit watching as across.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Your windshield you see this thing, and.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Then looking back at Fravr as we come up upon
his you know, his jet fighter. So it's all interrelated,
you know. I would have to say and again seven
years and I know much more than I did, But
I also know a lot more than I don't.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Know if that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
So there might be a part three.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Oh gosh, probably, I hope not. The John Mac will
cover a lot of things, a lot of spillover into that.
I do have another documentary that is that I've been
working up on the side, called The Experiencers.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
So it's kind of the whole genre kind of pulls
you in.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
But after that I'm going back to making probably indie
films and kind of cleanse my palate before I come back.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, probably a good idea I would suppose in this
you have Okay, let's go back with.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
The new information that's come out recently when declassifying the
documents in regards to UFOs. What is your thoughts about that?
Because more and more people, and you have them in
your film, have come out. Who are you know, as
you say, doctors, PhDs who are coming out and saying
(17:00):
and people in the militarya that they believe unequivocably that
they did see and became came in contact with a UFO.
What are your thoughts about that? Why do you think
that's coming out now? Do you think there was just
because it has been such clamoring over the years to
want from the public really wanting to find out more,
(17:22):
and the government was just pushing it down, pushing it
down and didn't want us to know about it. And
now all of a sudden it is coming out. Why
do you think that's happening now?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Next to the trillion dollar question, which is why they're
coming here is the million dollar question, which is why now?
And I've looked at all of the you know, reverse
engineered the timeline going back to twenty seventeen when the
Navy came out and said it isn't us, it's not
our adversaries, so we don't know what it is NH
(17:56):
High Non Human Intelligence. When they did that, they set
all of this into motion. And when lou Elizonda, who
was working with these programs but the government of these
UFO programs that were not well known, they were kind
of hidden. When he came out and was kind of
the whistleblower, if you will, and got that tik tech
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footage out and everything that was tangible evidence. So the
fact that it was coming from the military was completely
different than every other average Joe who would come up
and say here, you know, I saw this above my
Manhattan apartment, or I saw this you know.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
In my field. That changed everything.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
There was a certain credibility and so, as Mitchell Kuku
says in the documentary, the burden of proof is no
longer on the UFO community. It's now on the military
and the government to say that it isn't improved, that
it isn't and so it's a big.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Sea change, huge, It is a huge.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Why is it happening now on the scale of mankind?
I think that everyone, I mean.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
The polls all state that most of Americans believe that
we are being visited, and a huge chunk of them
believe that there's a UFO cover up by the government.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
So I think anything.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
That comes out just looks ridiculous, someone coming out like
the old Project Bluebook and saying, oh, it's a balloon,
it's this, and that it doesn't hold water anymore.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And so I think people can handle it.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
And maybe that's why it's happening now, is that people
can handle it more receptive.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I think because we've been hearing about it so much
and for so many years and for so long, I
think people believe, hey, this can't be There's got to
be something to it if we keep peering about it
over and over again from different perspectives again, alien perspective.
What was the most difficult part, So this took seven
years to make this movie, What was the most difficult
(19:51):
part for you, Dean in making this film.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
That's a good question. Different ones. One was going to France,
and not.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
That going to France is differently is too bad, but
it was.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Interviewing a French astronaut and I wanted him to talk
in his language, and uh, and so because this is
a universal story, but I don't speak French.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I should have rubbed my girlfriend Alley, because she's fluent
in it, but.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
So recording him and getting his story in his perspective
on it.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
But I would say the toughest part was boy it was.
There was an interview in the in the documentary with Jim.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Peniston, who was a security a security sergeant official at
bent Waters, which is a military base that's in the
UK Royal Air Force Base that that he's an American
and he was stationed there and there's a force next
to it called Rendell Forest and that's where this craft was.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Not only seen, but landed.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
And as far as I know, he's the first person
to go up and touch at UFO.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
And he went up and did that.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And the way that I work with people, like when
I'm doing crime shows, is I take them to the
scene of the crime. And I tried to make this
something that they can recall, like their sense memory can recall.
And I said to him, I go, okay, Jim, I
want you to take me back. It's December, it's the
day after Christmas nineteen eighty. It's probably cold as hell,
right And he goes, oh yeah, And I said, what
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was You got dew on the trees and on the branches.
What does that feel like? And he just like kind
of went into a fugue state, was coherent, totally coherent.
But he said, I just saw this change come over.
And he says I'm there, and I go, okay, so
let's talk about it.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
He goes, no, I am there, and I go, what
do you mean you're there? And he says, I see
the forest all around me. I have no other memory
in my life.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
That I can recall, so visceral. He says, I can
see the tree, I can see the different branches. And
I went, great, let's.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Go with that. And and at some point it was
so emotional for him we had to stop. Wow, And
that was tough.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Because you know, this is this is a hardened fet
you know, having to divulge that, and I wanted to
be very respectful, so it was kind of wanting to
get in and get these answers, but also be respectful
and don't you know, root around in someone's psyche, you know,
without you know, being being respectful.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Amazing.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
It was tough seeing him go through that, but it
yielded one of the most powerful, you know scenes.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
In the movie.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, I think I agree with you on that, definitely, Dean,
where can people see the alien perspective.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
You can see the Only Perspective on Amazon right now,
and you can also get it on Apple TV.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Wonderful, wonderful. Well, thank you so much for being on
the show.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I wish you much success with the Alien Perspective looking
forward to part two.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Thank you, Jan, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
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Speaker 3 (23:41):
Thank you, Jane, I appreciate it.
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The Jam Bright Show All About Movies
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
You're listening to the Jam Pray Show, All about Movies,
and today my guest is award winning filmmaker Dean Aliotto,
and we're going to be talking about his brand new
documentary entitled The Alien Perspective.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome to the show, Dean.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Thank you, and I'm really happy to be here. Gie.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's great to have you here. I'm going to here
we go.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
This is this is a very interesting perspective. Calling it
the Alien Perspective. You have become the expert in aliens
and UFOs. It seems like the expert documentary filmmaker.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I can assure you it wasn't my intention. It was.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I had made this film called the McPherson Tape, which
is reported to be the first found footage film ever
and right out of film school. And that film someone
edited off the credits and passed it around.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
The UFO communities being the real thing.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
So I actually end up going on national TV to
defunk my own film, maybe the only a filmmaker to
do this. And what happened then was five years later
it became this big conspiracy theory that I tried to
wash and squash it as much as I could, and
then at some point it just entered the lexicon of
(01:19):
the genre, not just horror and sci fi movies, but
also the UFO community. And so for the twenty fifth anniversary,
the International UFO Congress Convention reached out to me and said, Hey,
would you like to come here and talk to our community.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And at first I was nervous.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Because I didn't know, you know, how they would feel
about may be an associated with this film, even though
I'm firmly on record with you know, debunking it. I
take my work very serious. I don't take myself serian.
So I thought, if they're going to be fun and
have fun with it, then let's do it. And so
I went and I spoke for seventy five minutes, and
it was like a thousand people, and it was great.
They were just they're the loveliest people in the world.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And all through my.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Life I've always kind of been not an omtra share expert,
more of like an armshare prosumer with regards to the phenomenon.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It's fed my sci fi work.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
But going to the Congress, the convention, I met a
lot of interesting people, people that were professors at Montana Tech,
and at Harvard and all these other places, and realize
that this isn't just people who are have a kind
of a side hobby or fan of this. These are
people doing serious research. And so because I'd done documentaries
for A and E broad own Discovery, I thought, if
(02:28):
I could do a really nice premium documentary in this space,
I might be able to present it in a way
that will be more receptive to the general public, not
just the UFO community.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And that set me off.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
On this absolutely amazing the journey you're on and then
you change and you decide to this is very different
for you, right, the alien perspective.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
And so let's talk a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Tell the audience what the alien perspective is all about,
so when we're talking about it, they'll have a good
idea of what we're discussing.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Sure, Jeah.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So when you look at all the documentaries that are
out there, and there's a lot of great documentaries in
the space, they're all told from one perspective, that's the
human's perspective. And so I've also worked on prime shows
and the thing that I'm always interested in is looking
at it from the perpetrator's perspective, or maybe sometimes the
victims perspective, and that becomes a whole other area that
(03:20):
you glean so much more insight than you would just
you know, basically looking at yourself in the mirror. So
with that thesis in mind, I went and started doing
them these interviews, and I started with a couple. I
thought I would do fifteen interviews and I'd be done
in like nine months. With the film and the story,
this is twenty eighteen. And challenge with this genre, with
this basis at as soon as you talk to someone,
(03:41):
might We talked to NASA, and then NASA leads you
to SETI and then said he leads you somewhere else,
and then you keep going and these people say, oh, well,
if you're interested in this question, I might not be
able to answer it, but you need to go to
this person. And so it just became this you know,
kind of virus thing that spread to sixty six interviews
and four countries.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Amazing, amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
So you this is a two part documentary if I'm
that also very interesting?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So why did you decide to make it two parts?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I made it two parts because the first one is
kind of an introductory into this. We have fantastic professors
and experts. We've got Mitchell kal Ku who's pretty much
hosting the first part and giving his insights into looking
at it again as a hypothetical from the aaliens point
(04:32):
of view. And then we've also got Nick Bostrom, who
created the simulation reality hypothesis out of Oxford.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Which is that we're living in a simulate reality.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
And so it felt like this got people up to
a certain point. And there's plenty of mic drops in
there that people who are experts in this field have
never seen before.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
So it's not like this is just for the beginners.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
It's for you know, as the tagline is, it's for believers,
skeptics and everyone else. But the second one goes next
level and and you kind of need that first.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Primer to happen. In addition, there's a lot of animation
that goes into these things. I wanted to do two.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
D animation, hand drawn animation, which just hasn't been seen
also in this space, and I always love there's a
movie Oscar winning film called Searching for Sugar Mint documentary.
I tracked down that animator and he came on board
and did the first episode and we're still doing animation
on the second episode, so that is the timing that
(05:30):
we're doing as well, but the second one will probably
come out in May. But there's enough meaty stuff for
her to digest that you're in need to until.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Part two comes out exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
And you have created this like a mystery, just like
you said you like mysteries, and you've created this as
a as a mystery.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I love your opening scene.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
It's you know, like deep dark ci a type of thing. Yeah,
you know that people are like when you when you
start to watch it, you go, oh, this is going
to be very interesting and fest let's see where this goes.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah, well, again, that wasn't the initial inception idea.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
We didn't know that someone was going to come.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Across us, someone very credible who's a professor at Albany,
at University of Albany, who got his hands on some
material that may or may not be extradrestrial based. And
so that's that's kind of the snubplot that set us off.
And the big payoff is when it gets analyzed and
(06:31):
we get all those finances which we're going to be
presenting in.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
The perspective part two.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
So why did you take the opposite point of view
on this with this particular documentary.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yes, I think that if you know, a lot of
people talk about why would they visit us? Some might
say we're like ants to them if they're so advanced
that they can fly here from wherever they came, And
that's like saying, oh, well, they're should no longer be
entomologists at study ants here, so that that analogy doesn't
really work. I think that if they're coming here, they're
(07:09):
coming here because they're curious. If they wanted to do
destruction then and when we look into all the scenarios
of why they would come here, again, look at it
from their perspective, and so I think that that also
holds a mirror, another kind of mirror up to us
by looking at from their perspective, to say, this is
how they're seeing us, and we see what's great about us,
(07:31):
and we see things that are not so great, and
so like with what's been going on with the world
and climate change and everything, it's like, if you're not
going to listen to the experts, maybe you'll listen to
you know, what what they have to say and people
that have interacted with these beings, and you'll see in
(07:52):
part of this and in part two they talk about
that that there's a concern that we are, you know,
kind of affecting and not a great way our planet.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And so you don't have to.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Be an alien to look and see that, right, So
it's really curious what they would think of us. I
will always look at their version of us as kind
of like looking at a TV show. Right, You've got
situation comedies, You've got these dramas, and they can be
dramas about.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Humanity great and then you have great violence.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Shows, action shows, and so that's kind of what humanity is,
and so on the scale of things. If you look
at it from their perspective, again, what you're doing is
you're looking from the future back at us because we
are so new on this planet.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
There were a few billion years before we showed up.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
And so if there is another intelligence species, as Mitchell
doctor Mitchell Kowcu says, there won't be just one hundred
years or one thousand years. They could be millions or
billions of years. So that advancement, if we can make
it there, what would we do and how would we
look at at a lesser technologiedvilization?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
And I think it's hubris for us to think that
there isn't anybody else out there besides us.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's kind of like Galileo. You know, no, no, no, no, no,
the sun revolves around us, not the other way around.
And people were throwing jail, et cetera. But it's it is,
it's it's. As a kid, I used to always look
out my window at the stars, and you know, when
(09:30):
you come from divorce family, you you know, sometimes it's
tough and you dream of other things and a better life.
But I would look out in the stars and I
would think, maybe there's someone from another planet who's going
through something similar, just like me, right, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I I'm filled with wonder of what that could be.
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
And as a filmmaker, I will make movies like you
know and be inspired by like Spielberg and other filmmakers.
But you know, working in documentaries, you get to talk
to peop people who can throw down and say, here's
a little teaser of what's to come, what we know
technology wise, what we're going to be capable of, and
what these beings or whatever they are, the intelligence that
are visiting us, what they have exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I had my very very very best friend who told
me that she was abducted by Alliance and she lived
in Tucson, Arizona, and she described it all and I mean,
she was just there was no doubt in her mind
that this had happened to her. And I guess I
can't remember she's passed away. She passed away quite a
(10:36):
while ago actually, but that they put something in her
like an implant, Yes, an implant, and she was seeking
out during her lifetime many other people who had the
same experience. And there are, as you know already, there
are a lot of groups out there and a lot
of people who feel that that they believe one hundred
(10:57):
percent that this did happen to them.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, it's a bit of a rabbit hole.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I mean, I start at NASA and go from NASA
to taking this to ultimately two experiencers and people that
have had interactions with beans.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That was a whole other rabbit hole.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And there was a professor John Mack, who I'm working
on a documentary about him. He was a Harvard professor.
He was the darling of Harvard, head of the psychiatric department,
went a Pulser Prize, and he heard about people who
claim to be abducted, and in his mind he's like, well,
I'm going to solve this. I'm going to crack this,
and we'll call it the John mac you know syndrome
(11:42):
or something. Instead, he discovered that these people all had
one component that threw off anyone's discrediting of these they
call themselves experiences, and that is that they suffer from PTSD.
So the thing with PTSD post traumatic disorder is you
can't fake that. It's it is literally trackable and the
(12:06):
brain quantifiable. And so he would comb through these people's
past to say, okay, well let's fine when that started,
and he wasn't able to find anything in their childhood
or anything before the events happened where they started to
experience these interactions with these beings, and so that threw
him for a loop, and he published a book. He
was on OPRAH, but he was you know, this is
(12:29):
this is the nineties, and Harvard went after him, tried
to fire him, they tried to revoke his license. It
was it was pretty scary and and so that again,
that's that which hunt you know, didn't happen too long ago.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
So my feeling with people who are experiencers, whether they're.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Having this experience emotionally, you know, mentally or or physically.
I use this description all the time. If I were
to say you, you know, oh you you saw a UFO?
What color was it? Do they have antennas? This and that,
(13:09):
you know, which is what what the media does. But
if I say to you, oh, you were abducted. Was
it a white van? Was it a black man? Was
a duct tape? Was it rope?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I mean talk about you, you'd have your butt canceled.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
But that type of empathy for someone who's been through something,
whether it's you know, emotional or physical, is needed in
this So anyone who tells me those stories, and I've
talked to people who are.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Homeland security people, people in the military.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
These are highly credible people that have had these experiences.
So but it's it's kind of we've been focusing on
the congressional hearings and stuff with UFOs, right, and and
they're doing everything but bringing out artifacts, you know, a
tailpipe the UFO. But the next level is is the
the experiencers who are having these pretty profound life changing
(14:01):
events in their life.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Do you think that Congress will call these.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
People they want to go I know plenty of them
that want to go before Congress. They want to have
a seat at the table, right and they should, but
it's really dodgy because what happens is you're basically going
to be telling the public you know, yes we're aware
of this, but there's nothing we can do to stop it.
(14:26):
And a lot of these experiences say that they don't
want to that. As terrifying as it is, that they're
also feeling like they're community with a higher intelligence and
what they get from it. I mean a lot of
people say that some of the side effects they get.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Like one of them, she went.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
She was in her twenties and she went and had
herself tested because she felt like, I'm understanding things that
I don't normally understand and this is assault of the earth.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Person growing up in the Midwest.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
She now works at or I think she retired from
working GMC on an assembly line. She went just for
the heck of it, and she took amensa test, you know,
an intelligence test, and she scored in.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
The top one percent.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
So it's a give and take, you know thing.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And again with the only perspective documentary, my goal is
to look at that and go you know, why would
they interact with us, what would what would be.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
The main catalyst for that?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
And also with the animation we actually do so like
the Dave Fraver and the Tic Tac and being a
jet pilot and seeing as craft go before him. I
can actually put you in the cockpit watching as across.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Your windshield you see this thing, and.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Then looking back at Fravr as we come up upon
his you know, his jet fighter. So it's all interrelated,
you know. I would have to say and again seven
years and I know much more than I did, But
I also know a lot more than I don't.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Know if that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
So there might be a part three.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Oh gosh, probably, I hope not. The John Mac will
cover a lot of things, a lot of spillover into that.
I do have another documentary that is that I've been
working up on the side, called The Experiencers.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
So it's kind of the whole genre kind of pulls
you in.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
But after that I'm going back to making probably indie
films and kind of cleanse my palate before I come back.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, probably a good idea I would suppose in this
you have Okay, let's go back with.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
The new information that's come out recently when declassifying the
documents in regards to UFOs. What is your thoughts about that?
Because more and more people, and you have them in
your film, have come out. Who are you know, as
you say, doctors, PhDs who are coming out and saying
(17:00):
and people in the militarya that they believe unequivocably that
they did see and became came in contact with a UFO.
What are your thoughts about that? Why do you think
that's coming out now? Do you think there was just
because it has been such clamoring over the years to
want from the public really wanting to find out more,
(17:22):
and the government was just pushing it down, pushing it
down and didn't want us to know about it. And
now all of a sudden it is coming out. Why
do you think that's happening now?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Next to the trillion dollar question, which is why they're
coming here is the million dollar question, which is why now?
And I've looked at all of the you know, reverse
engineered the timeline going back to twenty seventeen when the
Navy came out and said it isn't us, it's not
our adversaries, so we don't know what it is NH
(17:56):
High Non Human Intelligence. When they did that, they set
all of this into motion. And when lou Elizonda, who
was working with these programs but the government of these
UFO programs that were not well known, they were kind
of hidden. When he came out and was kind of
the whistleblower, if you will, and got that tik tech
(18:17):
footage out and everything that was tangible evidence. So the
fact that it was coming from the military was completely
different than every other average Joe who would come up
and say here, you know, I saw this above my
Manhattan apartment, or I saw this you know.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
In my field. That changed everything.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
There was a certain credibility and so, as Mitchell Kuku
says in the documentary, the burden of proof is no
longer on the UFO community. It's now on the military
and the government to say that it isn't improved, that
it isn't and so it's a big.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Sea change, huge, It is a huge.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Why is it happening now on the scale of mankind?
I think that everyone, I mean.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
The polls all state that most of Americans believe that
we are being visited, and a huge chunk of them
believe that there's a UFO cover up by the government.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
So I think anything.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
That comes out just looks ridiculous, someone coming out like
the old Project Bluebook and saying, oh, it's a balloon,
it's this, and that it doesn't hold water anymore.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And so I think people can handle it.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
And maybe that's why it's happening now, is that people
can handle it more receptive.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I think because we've been hearing about it so much
and for so many years and for so long, I
think people believe, hey, this can't be There's got to
be something to it if we keep peering about it
over and over again from different perspectives again, alien perspective.
What was the most difficult part, So this took seven
years to make this movie, What was the most difficult
(19:51):
part for you, Dean in making this film.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
That's a good question. Different ones. One was going to France,
and not.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
That going to France is differently is too bad, but
it was.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Interviewing a French astronaut and I wanted him to talk
in his language, and uh, and so because this is
a universal story, but I don't speak French.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I should have rubbed my girlfriend Alley, because she's fluent
in it, but.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
So recording him and getting his story in his perspective
on it.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
But I would say the toughest part was boy it was.
There was an interview in the in the documentary with Jim.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Peniston, who was a security a security sergeant official at
bent Waters, which is a military base that's in the
UK Royal Air Force Base that that he's an American
and he was stationed there and there's a force next
to it called Rendell Forest and that's where this craft was.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Not only seen, but landed.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
And as far as I know, he's the first person
to go up and touch at UFO.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
And he went up and did that.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And the way that I work with people, like when
I'm doing crime shows, is I take them to the
scene of the crime. And I tried to make this
something that they can recall, like their sense memory can recall.
And I said to him, I go, okay, Jim, I
want you to take me back. It's December, it's the
day after Christmas nineteen eighty. It's probably cold as hell,
right And he goes, oh yeah, And I said, what
(21:31):
was You got dew on the trees and on the branches.
What does that feel like? And he just like kind
of went into a fugue state, was coherent, totally coherent.
But he said, I just saw this change come over.
And he says I'm there, and I go, okay, so
let's talk about it.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
He goes, no, I am there, and I go, what
do you mean you're there? And he says, I see
the forest all around me. I have no other memory
in my life.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
That I can recall, so visceral. He says, I can
see the tree, I can see the different branches. And
I went, great, let's.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Go with that. And and at some point it was
so emotional for him we had to stop. Wow, And
that was tough.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Because you know, this is this is a hardened fet
you know, having to divulge that, and I wanted to
be very respectful, so it was kind of wanting to
get in and get these answers, but also be respectful
and don't you know, root around in someone's psyche, you know,
without you know, being being respectful.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Amazing.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
It was tough seeing him go through that, but it
yielded one of the most powerful, you know scenes.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
In the movie.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, I think I agree with you on that, definitely, Dean,
where can people see the alien perspective.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
You can see the Only Perspective on Amazon right now,
and you can also get it on Apple TV.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Wonderful, wonderful. Well, thank you so much for being on
the show.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I wish you much success with the Alien Perspective looking
forward to part two.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Thank you, Jan, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
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