John Gerardi Guest Hosts - The Upcoming Papal Election

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm also Catholic.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
So this Pope Francis stuff, Pope France is passing away
in the new papal election. This is interesting news, and
I want to talk a little bit about the upcoming
papal election.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Now.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
One thing that is a misconception I think among Catholics.
That I think is sometimes Protestants will hear Catholics, non
Catholic Christians will hear Catholics say this and think, oh
my gosh, these Catholics, they freaking worship the pope. They
think the Pope can never do anything wrong. First of all,

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some of you who are non Catholics may have heard
the phrase that the pope is infallible. The Catholics think
the pope is in felt. I think maybe a.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Better way of thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Of what we actually think is that we think that
the church Jesus established ultimately can't fail in its essential
mission of teaching what Jesus taught. As a corollarya of that,
we think that this church he established, which we think

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was a visible, concrete institution with specific men as its
visible leaders, the apostles, and that those apostles had successors,
and we think that those men, in carrying on the

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tradition of what Christ taught. If they are teaching as
a unified body gathered together in a council like the
Apostles in Jerusalem as described next to the Apostles when
they're trying to decide, Hey, do we have to keep
doing all this kosher stuff? Can we let non Jews
become Christians? The Apostles gathered together and they made their judgment,

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we would say that the Holy Spirit basically protects the
church from falling into grave error, and in the person
of the Pope, when the Pope is teaching authoritatively on
questions of faith and morals in his official teaching capacity,
in that sense, we think that he can't lead the
church astray. That basically that God protects the church from

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going that far afield. That's basically what we mean when
we say that the pope is infallible. It doesn't mean
that if the Pope goes on the radio and says,
I think the Cowboys are gonna beat the Denver Broncos
in the upcoming Super Bowl, No, he's not infallible talking
about that when he's trying to explain the deposit of
the faith that's been handed on to him in an authoritative,

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definitive fashion. He in continuity with the whole broader Church
in its teaching over two thousand years, has some protection.
That's what we think. Okay, So whom we elect as
pope is really important because while we do think there
is divine action guiding christ Church, we also think it's

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divine action working with a bunch of very weak, fallible men.
We Catholics think that the first pope had some real
ups and downs. Peter had some real down moments, said
he wouldn't abandon Jesus, totally abandoned Jesus even after Pentecost.

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He he kind of acted like a moron, and Saint
Paul had to tell him, you know, had to get
in his face a little bit. But ultimately Peter, you know,
died a martyr, was crucified. The legend is that Saint
Peter asked to be crucified upside down because he didn't
want to die the exact same way that Jesus died.

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And so there are certain upside down crosses in Saint
Peter's basilica, the Grand Church in Rome that we think
is built over the site it's it's built on the
site of Nero's circus, a big Roman theater setting that
would have chariot races, which is where tradition holds that

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Peter was crucified and killed. So there are upside down
crosses in some of the art work within Saint Peter's basilica.
And I saw an Instagram account say, oh my gosh,
the Catholic Church is worshiping Satan. Look, they've got upside
down crosses in there. It's like, no, we're not. We're
not actually worshiping Satan. It's it's a thing, so don't

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worry about it.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
With all that said, there are some Catholics, though, who
have carried on this pious idea that the pope is
directly picked by God, that the Holy Spirit directly picks
the pope. It's this some kind of pious idea that
I think is it's manifestly wrong, first of all. And

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I have this quote from Benedict the sixteenth in fact,
who also thought that was wrong. And it's never Actually
the Catholic Church is never taught that the Holy Spirit
picks out the pope. He would he said, quote, I
would not say that the Holy Spirit picks out the pope,
because there are too many contrary instances of popes the
Holy Spirit would obviously not have picked. Yeah, like Alexander

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the sixth, who had like five or six children via
various mistresses. Yeah, he was not the best guy anyway. Now,
what are some of the challenges facing the Catholic Church
right now? A little pretentious of me to claim to

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be able to give a authoritative summary of all these things.
But the Catholic Church has problems within and problems without,
and I want to talk about some of the problems within,
and a lot of it is coming from Germany, of
all places. Wouldn't be the first time the Catholic Church
had divisions in the ranks emanating from Germany. These divisions

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might be even lamer than Martin Luther though. So. The
German bishops are, for some reason quite liberal, odd given
that Pope Benedict was himself German and was far from liberal,
and I think tried his best to appoint more and
more good German bishops, but eventually lost that fight, and

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the German bishops got emboldened by the fact that Pope
Francis was elected. They thought, aha, Pope Francis, fellow liberal.
They started this whole like sort of conference thing, this
ongoing sort of conference movement called the German synadel Way.
It's from the word synod, which means a walking together.
Hodos is the Greek word for road, sun or sin

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is the Greek prefix that means with so you're on
the road with each other. And it's basically this ongoing
sort of convening of bishops, priests, lady who are proposing
basically to completely water down the moral teaching of the
Catholic Church in Germany and trying to present a bunch
of stuff, a bunch of different kinds of moral and

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religious practices into the German into the Catholic Church in Germany.
I was about to say the German Catholic Church, but
I stopped myself because and this this makes a big point.
Catholicism is not like the Church of England. We don't
view ourselves that way and we can't be that way. Okay,

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the Church of England. And you know, if you're an Episcopalian,
you want to disagree with me, feel free to go ahead.
But I think I'm fairly correct here. The Church of
England allowed within its corporate body some pretty wide spread

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divergent ideas about some pretty essential characteristics of faith and
morals within their body, and they allowed it for a
pretty long time. You had some Anglicans who were basic
and not just kind of like liberal conservative, like liberal

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on sexual ethics, conservative on sexual ethics, I'm talking like
theology stuff. You had some Anglicans, low church Anglicans, if
you will, who were basically like one step away from
being Presbyterians. You had some Anglicans who were like, their
services look more Catholic than a Catholic Mass, and it

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doesn't always track. I mean, I've seen very high church
Anglican churches that have women priests. I've seen like you know, uh,
you know, rock and roll praise and worship services from
Anglican churches that are super strict about homosexuality, against homosexuality
and the blah blah blah blah blah. So it's not

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a very easy left right divide, but a lot of
this has been allowed within the corporate structure of the
Church of England in its various expressions. And then you
get further dividing it. You have like the Church of
England bishops in Africa having one whole expression of Anglicanism

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in England with another whole expression and then in America
with the Episcopal Church having another whole expression, and there
were differences about well, in Africa, we don't allow women
to be priests or bishops because we think that breaks
the line of Apostolics decsion. In England, oh we allow it.
In America, of course we allowed it. Oh buh bah.
You know, wide divergence on essential doctrine, on faith, on morality.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Catholics don't go for that.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Kind of The whole idea underlying the Catholic faith is
that Jesus taught X.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
He gave that.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
To the apostles, and they handed that down and we
have preserved that. Certainly, theological ideas grow and develop from
how they were originally presented. The word Trinity is not
in the New Testament. People kind of unfolded that after

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the fact. Certainly the idea of the Trinity is present,
the word Trinity is not there. But what we believe
is Catholics is that fundamentally we're doing the same thing
that was happening in the first century in Jerusalem with
Peter and the boys. So we don't do the whole

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like the Catholic Church in Poland is gonna be one
way and right across the border. The Catholic Church in
Germany is gonna believe a whole different set of things.
The Catholic Church in Poland things gay marriage is anathema,
and the Catholic Church in Germany is giving gay couples blessings.
We don't do that. We can't do that. It contradicts

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the whole idea of what we think Catholicism is. And
I'm assuming probably a lot of you who are listening
to this, maybe if you're not Catholic, if you're another
kind of Christian, maybe you have some sympathy for at
least the idea that Christianity shouldn't be one thing in
one country and a different thing in another country.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
It is what it is.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Certainly we might have our disagreements about what it is,
but there's only one truth. It's not like we can
hold that the principle of non contradiction holds. Gay marriage
isn't right in Poland, it isn't right in Germany and
wrong in Poland. Polygamy isn't okay in Africa, but not

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okay in the United States, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
So now.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
The liberalizing forces within the Catholic church who there's so
paying lip service to Catholic teaching, and I think a
lot of them sort of kind of convinced Pope Francis
to allow them to grow. But Pope Francis wasn't totally
embracing of them, and this happened, especially in Germany. Pope

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Francis gets elected. Pope Francis says some stuff off the cuff,
not him teaching in his official capacity, saying stuff off
the cuff of but you know, who am I to
judge someone who's you know, homosexual? Who am I to judge?
He says that off the cuff, And people take that
as if that's like an authoritative statement of the dogma
of the Catholic Church and we can pitch out the

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prior two thousand years. No, that's not how Catholic teaching works.
The German bishops wanted to introduce all these liberalizing things,
and the main thing stopping them was, oddly enough, Pope Francis.
He said, you guys are going way too far with this.

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We are not going to authorize this. No, the German bishops,
two days after the Pope dies, release a big statement
saying we're gonna start blessing gay marriages or gay unions anyway,
Blessings for couples who love each other. A resolution of

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the Whole Conference of German Bishops April fourth, twenty twenty five,
but released April twenty third. Pope Francis died on April
twenty first, So these gutless cowards wait two days after
the pope is dead the pope who is the one

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guy stopping them from going completely off the deep end,
because Pope Francis like has some reason to be scared. Like, Okay,
the German Church a lot of money, a lot of assets,
a declining Catholic population, but still a lot of people.
If I'm too hardball with them and I dismiss all

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their bishops, are they going to completely go into schism?
Are they going to completely cut off communion with me
and lead all their people away?

Speaker 1 (14:17):
You know? Does a pope want that on his head?
Jump all.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
The second had to deal with some of those problems too,
and was slowly, over time building up the body of
bishops to be more, you know, more actually faithful to
Catholic teaching. After kind of the train wreck of the
years from the sixties and seventies under put Paul the sixth.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
This is the Trevor carry Show on The Valley's Power Talk.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
The Trevor Carey Show. John Girardi in for Trevor. Thank
you all so much for tuning in. It's hard to
actually give any kind of prediction because it's one hundred
and thirty five guys whom I don't know. They get
the way that the papal election works. You get all
the cardinals, there's like two hundred something of them, then

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you got to take everyone who's under age eighty, So
some guys are like barely making the cut or barely
missing the cut. In fact, there's one cardinal from Africa
who just celebrated his eightieth birthday like a month ago,
but is now claiming he didn't actually turn eighty. He

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because he's from Africa and no one actually remembers what
his actual birthday is. So often the government would just
sort of set your birthday like on January first or something,
or anyway, there's this whole dispute about this one cardinal
from Africa and like is he actually eligible to vote
or not. Then you got this other cardinal who is
claiming he's eligible to vote, but he had been the

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subject of a Vatican City Criminal prosecution for like financial
like shenanigans, and Pope Francis had taken away his rights
to vote as a car but he's saying no, no, no.
Pope Francis told me privately that he didn't take that.

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He's giving him back to me, so I'm allowed to vote.
And now the Cardinal's secretary of State apparently there's some story.
He released a letter from Pope France is clarifying no,
this guy does not have the right to vote in
the election.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
So it's actually kind of a There's.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
This one cardinal who's like seventy nine, but he's sick
and he feels like he can't make it to the
Vatican to vote, which is killing me because he's like
super conservative. I would really like him to vote. Anyway,
they get these guys, they bring them in after the
Pope's funeral be Saturday. They're gonna have more days to

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sort of meet with each other, consult with each other.
Then they got to get locked in. They're locked down.
They're basically they're put up in this hotel in Rome
called the Casa Santa Marta, which was built for the
cardinals to stay in the event of a conclave. It's
called a conclave, by the way, because they basically they

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put them in. They go into the Sistine Chapel, they've
take an oath and they start the process of talking
and then voting, and they have like three votes per
day or something are two. The thing is like two
or three votes per day, and it's called a conclave.
That's the name of it, a conclave from the Latin
word clavis, which means a key. So these guys are

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locked up with the key, con theklave with the key. Okay,
so these guys are locked down, so they're locked in.
There's no outside influence, so a reporter can't come in,
they can't there, and they're sworn to secrets that they're
not allowed to talk to anyone. And there used to
be like it used to be like the Holy Roman

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Emperor who governed like a lot of Germany, you know,
prior to prior to World War two, prior to you know,
Prussian German government. The Holy Roman Emperor used to claim
that he had a right to veto whom the cardinals,
whomever the cardinals picked. And that was one time an
embarrassing thing in like the early twentieth century, that someone
tried to do that, The Emperor of Austria tried to

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do that. Anyway, there's all kinds of shenanigans anyway, A
lot of that's out, so there's no outside influence, no
media stuff. They like build a false floor in the
Sistine Chapel and they put anti bugging equipment in there
to make sure that nobody can record anything, nobody can
transmit anything out. No one's spying, no one's evesdropping. They're

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all locked in now. One of the problems is that
Pope Francis he didn't choose to live like all the
other prior popes. There there were specific papal apartments and
it wasn't like a palace. Then the pope just lived
in like one little small section of it. But he's like, no,
I want to live in this hotel. I want to

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live in the Casa Santa Marta, which is where all
the cardinals stayed during papal elections. So they had to
like they kind of basically take a whole floor of
it and retrofit it for his use because he's like, no,
I want to live here. I want to live like
with a lot of people coming in and out. I
don't want to live by myself. So now it's like,
apparently like they don't have enough rooms necessarily for all

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the cardinals.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
It's a train wreck.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Just trust Italians to be completely disorganized and not know
how to run anything. It's apparently the planning for this,
even though it's not like it was a surprise that
eventually Pop Francis was.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Gonna die and we were gonna have to have another
one of these things.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
This is the Trevor Cherry Show on the Valley's Power.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Talk, speaking of things that are kind of disastrously disorganized,
like the Papal election. Let's go to another disastrously disorganized snafoo.
John Girardi here filling in for Trevor. I am an attorney,
so I say I discussed this with a great deal
of interest. I am both an attorney and someone who

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hates AI. I hate it. I don't like it. I
hate every website, every app that's as powered by AI. No,
I don't want it to be powered by AI. I
think everything that I've seen so far that's been powered
by AI has been extremely annoying. I feel like it
is it's a desire by greedy corporations just to replace

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human labor with something that's not going to be as good.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
So I don't like AI. Hate it, hate it hate
hate hey hey hey hate Now.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
There are also certain things that very clearly should not
be done by AI, because frankly, AI is very little
more than garbage in, garbage out.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
AI is basically, we put in as many inputs as
we possibly can, as much info data as we can
into this computer system, and then and we have you know,
grammar and systems and language stuff and syntax though, you know,
to try to help it understand context and things.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Blah blah blah. And I'm sure it's a bunch of
tech stuff.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
That I couldn't begin to fully comprehend, not being an
engineer computer programmer of any sort. But at the end
of the day, fundamentally, it's a garbage in, garbage out system.
It is only as good as the inputs you have
put into it on the front ends. Fundamentally seems to
be the case. And you can see that with a

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lot of AI systems that are shoved into your face
for you to use. Okay, Google has an AI thing
now at the top of every flip in Google Search,
and nine times out of ten, it's not very useful.
In fact, I have felt almost every time I have
used it it just isn't very useful. I'm trying to

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find something, and maybe the results I have are kind
of correct or kind of not. But I know I
can't rely on the summary because it might not have
the context quite right for whatever the exact thing is
that I'm looking for. Especially I'm researching something for an article,
I'm trying to find a stat I'm genuinely ninety five

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times out of one hundred or ninety nine times out
of one hundred, maybe the Google AI summary just isn't useful.
And let's apply this to the law. All right, you've
been accused of a crime. You've been accused of tax fraud.

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If you lose, you're gonna lose. If you lose this trial,
you stand to lose a lot of money and you're
ass might go to jail. Well, okay, no fun, No
one's happy. So do you want your lawyer to kind

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of take some shortcuts right in his legal briefs using AI, Well,
you know, cut through some of the corner. No, you
absolutely do not. There's a lot of stuff, specifically with
the practice of law, where you would get really freaking
nervous if someone's using AI because there's a big stakes involved. Okay, Now,

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does that mean any use of AI within the practice
of law is verboten?

Speaker 1 (23:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Maybe there could be some things like maybe you know,
give me a standard boilerplate contract for blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah that you know, maybe there's certain
areas of the law where things are fairly standardized where
maybe AI could be used, But you gotta have a
human being check it. Almost certainly. So at the end

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of the day, is it really saving you time? Is
it really saving you money? Is it really saving you
on the billable hours? Like, maybe it's saving you on
the billable hours, but the lawyer's got to pay something
for the AI system. Goodness knows Lexus and Nexus and
West Law, who are providing some of these AI servis
that they're not cheap, and as a result, there have

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been lawyers who've been facing disciplinary sanctions for using AI
in their legal practice. So naturally, the geniuses who run
the California Bar Exam do what they get a non

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lawyer using AI to write some of the bar exam questions. Now,
the way the bar exam works back in my day.
Let me tell you how the bar exam was in
my day when I took it back in When did
I take the California Bar I graduated law school in
twenty thirteen.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
I practiced in Massachusets for two years.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Then we moved back to California and I took the
California Bar Exam in It was July of twenty fifteen,
late July of twenty fifteen. In my day, the bar
exam in the California Bar Exam was a three day
long test and you sat each day for two I
think it was two three hour sessions per day and

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you would either sit for and the California Bar Exam.
There were three different kinds of sections. You would have
a multiple choice section where you'd have to get through
in the course of three hours. I believe it was
one hundred multiple choice questions you had had to get
through over the course of three hours. And each multiple
choice question it was very compact question with a very quick,

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swift set of facts asking you to interpret some kind
of legal point and give and and you'd have you know,
four answers that you had to choose from.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
And it was really hard.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I've never experienced a more difficult multiple choice thing in
my life. You might be thinking, oh, multiple choice, let's ease. No,
this is not okay, this is really freaking hard. Then
they would have a section with essay questions where you'd
have I think it was three essay questions over the
course of three hours and these enormous factual scenarios, and

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you'd have to write out a huge thing identify all
of the legal issues and legal claims that.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Could be made presented in this in this scenario.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
And then they would have sections where you'd get a
fake set of facts and you'd be tasked, okay, write
a brief to your partner, to the partner about your
recommendation for what course of action we should take in
this cause of action whatever.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Apparently the multiple choice section, someone from the state bar
got a company with AI software and had a non
lawyer write some of the bar exam questions, and it

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resulted in the February So the bar exam. By the way,
let me just clarify this. Also, the bar exam is
only given two times a year in California and everywhere else.
I'm pretty sure February and late July. That's it. So
it's basically it's for people who graduated law school in fall,

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they go. Sorry, people who graduate law school in the
spring semester, they go and take the bar exam in July.
People who maybe graduate from a law school in the
fall semester, they go and take the bar exam in February.
Or you failed it the first time, you got to
take it again, okay. And the Bar exam is your

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entrance into the legal profession. It's your qualifying exam. If
you pass the bar exam, you are a lawyer. You
can start representing clients, you can you're part of the
legal profession. And to practice law is a really important thing.
If you have someone who's an income poop being a lawyer,

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people could go to jail who shouldn't go to jail.
People who can maybe go free who shouldn't go free.
People might lose millions of dollars if you're an incompetent lawyer. Okay,
it's really really important to make sure that the legal
profession is stocked with good, smart lawyers. That's why we
have a very high standard, very high hoops that you

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have to jump through to become a lawyer. Now, in fairness,
there's some big time dumb dumbs who've been admitted to
the practice of law. I'm not saying that we're all brilliant,
but that is the idea behind the bar exam. You
make the bar exam really hard to make sure that
you don't have dumb dumbs practicing law. However, because of

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this scandal of using AI to write some of the
bar exam questions which the California State Supreme Court didn't
even know about, and the California State Supreme Court is
supposed to kind of oversee certain aspects of overseeing the
legal practice within California, they're pretty ticked. So here's the
story from Reuters. The State Bar of California said it

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will ask the state's high court, the California State Supreme Court,
to adjust test scores for those who took its problem
plagued February bar exam, which was marred by technical and
logistical issues. The State Bar on Monday said it wants
to set the raw passing score for the Attorney Licensing

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Exam at five hundred and thirty four, lower than the
five hundred and sixty score recommended by its standard testing expert,
who looked at February's results. Raw pass scores can fluctuate
each year because you have different questions each year each sitting,
and are converted according to a standardized scale. If approved

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by the Supreme Court of California, the score adjustment would
apply to all February examinees, regardless of the specific issues
they encountered on the test. The State Bar said it
will ask the court this week to reach a decision
by February twenty eight, with test results slated to be
released on May second. See this is the other cretty
thing about the bar exam.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
You take it.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
The people took the bar exam in February, They're not
getting their results back until May second, which is like
a couple of days away. So the State Supreme Court
has to decide this asap. February marked the debut of
California's hybrid bar exam, given both remotely and in person,
which did not include any components of the National Bar

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Exam the state had been using for decades. The change
was introduced with the intention of reducing costs. However, test
takers reported a slew of problems, ranging from software crashes
to interruptions from proctors it's not yet clear how many
of the four thy three hundred people who took California's
February exam encountered problems. The state Bar has launched launched
an investigation into the botched test. The bottom line is

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February Bar exam test takers deserved better, and we apologize
for the difficulties many experience. Well that's some real comfort
for anyone who got screwed over by it. And now
they got to wait until July to take the bar exam.
Job opportunities, money, et cetera. Everything gets delayed until July.

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All Right, as we wrap up here, we're going to Trevor.
We got a word from one of Trevor's sponsors of
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Speaker 3 (31:48):
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Speaker 2 (31:56):
The idea that the California Bar Exam allowed a not
the someone with the California Bar Exam allowed a non
lawyer using AI to write some of the questions, and
then a bunch of other stuff that was so disastrously
poorly administered. Technology, it was badly administered. Now they're like

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having they are in such a train wreck situation. They're
offering a retaking to some people. They're offering like a
different kind of licensure program because like there were so
many technical issues apparently that a bunch of people like
just couldn't take like whole swaths of the test. So

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they're like, Okay, well, how are we gonna give them
a score? Do we kind of go off the average
of how they were doing on the answers they were
able to give and sort of assume that that would
have carried over and that would have been the grade.
Do we do we give them the opportunity to attain
licensure by like being an apprentice to a licensed attorney

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for a certain amount of time and then let them
be admitted to the bar without taking the bar exam.
Like it's a total disaster. Everyone's supposed to get their
scores back on May second, by the way, which is
on Friday. So they got to figure they've got a week. Basically,

(33:31):
the California State Bar, the California State Supreme Court has
like a week to get this all figured out. And
then in the meantime, clearly they're gonna have to low
out of fairness and out of a desire not to
be fired by a presumably fairly litigious minded group of people.

(33:52):
They're gonna have to admit some people who probably they
wouldn't have otherwise admitted. The February bar exam in California
apparently often has a passage rate under forty percent, which
is extremely low, but it kind of accounts for the
fact that, well, if you're taking the February bar exam,

(34:12):
very often it means you failed the July bar exam
right after you graduated from law school. If you graduated
from a law school in May, you took the July
bar exam and you failed. So now you're taking the
February bar exam. And if you're the kind of person
who's just never going to be smart enough to pass
the bar exam, you're just going to keep failing the
bar exam. So it's a less academically impressive group of

(34:34):
people to

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