Republican Candidate for California Governor Steve Hilton

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, you know him from Fox News. You know his voice.
He's been campaigning for a while, gubernatorial candidate on the
Republican side. Mister Steve Elton, Welcome in, Steve, good to
meet you.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Well, now I've really made it. I'm here with you.
It's all been for this moment.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Well, to see, it was a pretty spot on intro there.
Did I miss anything on the big picture of your life?
What year did you the wheels first touchdown in America?

Speaker 2 (00:22):
So when we moved to California in twenty twelve, my
wife and my two sons and then became a visa
to Green Cort became a citizen. Here's the big date,
twenty twenty one, became an American. One of the proudest
days of my life.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
You know. I had a girlfriend in Colorado that from Brazil.
It became a citizen, And when I saw her go
through that, I realized how much I had just been
taken for granted. Where God decided to shoot my soul
down too. When I saw the joy in that, and
it made me realize I should value that more. At
that moment, I realized that.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well, it's incredible. I really appreciate you saying that. And
that's how I feel the whole time. And sometimes I
look at that picture was it wasn't the best of
occasions because twenty twenty one, it is right in the
middle of the insane lockdowns here in California, and I
actually I live in the Bay Area, and so we
did the ceremony at the San Francisco Federal Building. You
can imagine lockdown Central, no smiles exactly, with the stupid

(01:18):
mask and the social distancing. So as I say, it's
a reminder of one of the most special days of
my life, one of the great honors of anyone could
ever have, but also a reminder of the madness. And
let's not let them forget what they did, shutting down
businesses and churches and schools longer than anywhere else in
the country. It's a it's a prompt for me when

(01:40):
I'm governor. I've said I'm going to have a COVID
Accountability Commission to hold these people accountable because they haven't
really been held accountable for what they did. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I've had many shows we're in the back of my mind,
I've gone or the listeners thinking he's just quit beating
that dead horse, because I don't want people to forget
what exactly what they did to exactly that's uh, just
actually and it.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Connects with what we you know, we're obviously focusing on
right now in terms of what's going on with Prop fifty,
this power grab, because this is the same thing they
just had, this arrogant ruling elite, totally out of touch,
intoxicated with their own power, just arrogantly seizing powerherever they want.
Back then it was to shut things down. Now it's

(02:21):
to rig the elections in their favor. These people have
to be stopped.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
I just started something so fun. I'm so glad I
thought of this. I should Casera. I think Sacramento would
ask you named something good Democrats have done, and I mean,
you couldn't have plan that any better. Just your facial
reaction and I can't really come up with appearing phrasing,
but you couldn't come up with anything, and you said
you sold it well exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
It's just I know, it's it's very difficult. You know,
you try and be fair in politics, and you know,
I've been in and around politics and government all the time.
I think it's very important not to be you know,
too kind of crazily partisan and everything the other side
does is terrible and whatever. I'm afraid case of the
California Democrats. It's true, literally everything is a disaster, like

(03:06):
and you just look at the facts. I mean, I
just wrote this book, Califhailure, Reversing the Ruin of America's
worst run State, and that is just based on the
objective facts. Right right now, in California today, we have
America's highest unemployment rate, highest poverty rate, highest taxes, highest
gas prices, highest electricity bills, highest housing costs, worst business climate.

(03:28):
Ten years in a row. I mean, I could go on.
I mean, everything that matters were the worst in America,
not even like, oh mediocre, you know, somewhere in the
middle with the actual worst in the entire country. Gavin
Youso officially, objectively is the worst governor in America.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
And I'm concerned that there's people in New Hampshire and Atlanta,
Georgia and all over America that don't realize the snake
that he is. In twenty twenty eight, we don't really
need to talk about that much. We need to talk
about the governor's rates. But he's good at ed slickness
isn't he.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Well, here's the good news. When I'm governor that will
coincide with his attempt to become our president, and I
will have a much bigger platform to tell everyone about
what he left behind, the disaster that he left behind
in California, and the idea of taking that national and
putting the man responsible in large part, not entirely, got

(04:23):
to look at the legislature as well for this catastrophic
failure that has particularly hurt working people in California's small
businesses in California. The big thing, actually, I would say
you asked earlier, what's left off from the intro? I
think the main thing that actually I understand why people
that you know they know me from the media and
so on and my show on Fox, et cetera. But
most of my career has actually been in business. My

(04:46):
first job was project manager for a construction company. I've
worked in business more than half my careers. Started my
own businesses, run them both in back in England here
in America as well, started and run restaurants. That is
a tough business. That's the that's the big thing that
isn't really captured when people think of me as the
guy off Fox News.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I don't know you're familiar with The Sopranos, the TV show,
of course. Okay, so you were in construction, you've watched
the Sopranos. Isn't high speed rail Tony Sopranos.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Actually don't know exactly right, I mean, it's just absolutely yes,
what a joke it is.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
I just think you could be campaigning up and down
the state if they were on track, right exactly? I
keep saying time with a track. Maybe you know this
is the thing.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
So I do all these events and people say what
are you gonna do about high speed rail? And I
sort of make some jokes, what a disaster, whatepen? So
we're gonna stop that thing in its tracks, uh, if
there were any tracks, that is.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
You know what I would say if I were you, Hey,
what are you gonna do about high speed rail? I
don't need to worry about it. I'll be dead before
it's ever built. Well we can all say that, right,
I mean, who knows. Yeah, but they're very good at
wasting money on something that. Let's just he's it's stealing money. Yes,
money has been stolen. They say sixteen thousand jobs a bit.
It's really like a thousand to fifteen hundred workers any

(06:02):
given time. They're going back to the first person to
put pin of paper in two thousand and eight in
counting that as well. But if there's been all these jobs,
well that would mean there would be something to show
for it.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
But also jobs that are created by bureaucrats aren't real jobs.
You know. It's just it's the whole thing. It's exactly
what if you look at Actually, that's why we have
the highest unemployment rate. They're driving out actual businesses and
businesses that you saw it just recently with bed, bath
and Beyond and many others who just say we're not
investing in California anymore. A really big one, Nvidia, right,

(06:35):
the world's most valuable company in the Bay Area where
I am, that massive innovator and AI and chips and whatever,
just announced with President Trump a half trillion dollar investment
half a trillion dollars a couple of months ago. Announced
None of it in California. This is a California company
with a massive investment. Not any of it, not one

(06:55):
dollar here in our state. It's all going to Texas,
Arizona because New So the Democrats are driving business out.
So the real jobs are not being created. There was
some amazing number someone calculated, I think in the Hoover
Institution when you look at the we have the highest
unemployment rate. As I said, when they look at the
total number of jobs created since the pandemic in the

(07:16):
private sector in California, it's like seven thousand or something
out of you know, in other states it's millions. It's
just unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
My guest, Republican gubernatorial candidate Steve Hilton, the redistricting plan.
I learned more about map drawing in the last few
months and all of that than I ever knew. I
knew we had that, you know, that California Citizen Commission
that you know, twenty ten voted for, and I knew
it wasn't kind of normal in the middle of a
census to shake things up, but I wasn't aware so

(07:46):
many states and all the weird dragon design tales that
they showed. Yeah, the jerrymandering going on, this is going
to change the landscape.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, but here's the thing everyone needs to understand. If
we got a little, you know, a couple of minutes
to lay it all out, yeah, really important. First of all,
the whole basis for this, according to Gavin Newsom, is
we are responding to what Texas did. That's the whole premise.
It is complete bs. California started jerrymandering first. So yes,

(08:16):
it's true that we have in theory an independent commission.
It's an independent commission in name only. We voted for it.
I wasn't hear them, but it was voted for. In
twenty ten, the Democrats hijacked the process. The lawyers for
the independent commission were the DNC lawyers, the Obama Biden
campaign as it then was lawyers. They added all these

(08:39):
extra criteria to enable them to rig the maps the
first time around. So the maps we have today are
not fair. We have today across the state of California,
roughly in statewide elections, just over forty percent of the
vote is Republican today. We don't have forty percent of
the congressional seats today, the number is seventeen. We have

(09:00):
less than half the representation today with the current maps
that we should have. With these new maps, it's going
to go to six percent If Prop fifty goes through.
In exchange for roughly forty percent of the vote, Republicans
will have six percent of the seats. Put it another way,
it will take one hundred and ninety three thousand votes

(09:23):
to elect a Democrat to Congress one point five two
million votes to elect a Republican. A Democrat vote would
be worth eight times a Republican vote. It is an
obscene attack on everything we think of in the bing.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Texas as the excuse. Katie Grimes from California Globe was
on yesterday and she was excited you were going to
be on. She sent me an article of about you
and Prop fifty. But the Biden administration told Texas that
they needed to do that.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, but exactly because of various infringements of the federal
law and so this whole. So the argument is wrong
that it was this was necessary. Even if you buy
the argument that what Texas did was wrong, Okay, and
you say, well they shouldn't have done it, and Texas
took five seats that they shouldn't have had, that doesn't

(10:13):
even go halfway towards undoing what California is already. Remember
the number twelve. They've already stolen twelve seats, so now
they want another five. There's only one reason they're doing this.
Gavin new some presidential ambitions. That's the only.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Reason he's funding it with ourt a tax paying money.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
That's the next point, and that's why I'm here, and
that's why I made the announcement I made today, which
is to file for a preliminary injunction to stop it
even happening, so we don't waste two one hundred and
fifty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Of our march. That's high speed Rail TERMINI. It's going
to be more in that. We know that exactly.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
That's the basic on an election that nobody ever wanted,
nobody called for, and there's an absolutely outrageous attack on fairness,
democracy and disenfranchises millions of Republican voters up and down
the state of California. We've got to stop it.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
No On five Ozho he wants to be your next governor.
He's a Republican candidate, Steve Hilton. He's with us to
the bottom of the hour. More next, This is the
Trevortary Show on the Valley's Power Talk. Republican good milatorial
candidate for the state of California, Steve Hilton. I appreciate
you stopping buying your busy day, your press conference you
just held at the courthouse bringing it up. Tell them

(11:25):
why you were here again.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
We've got to stop Gavin Youson wasting two hundred and
fifty million dollars of our money on an election that
nobody asks for, nobody wants, and that will cheat and
rig the elections, disenfranchising millions of voters in California by
stealing house seats. I mean, it's just completely outrageous. It's illegal,
it's unconstitutional. Of course, if we get to the point

(11:47):
where it's really gonna happen, we have to say no
on fifty. We have to beat this thing. But wouldn't
it be great if we could just stop it even
happening so we don't waste the money. That's why it's
here to announce that I'm filing a pliminary injunction to
stop it happening because it violates the Federal Constitution, the
California Constitution. The Equal Protection Clause, which is very straightforward.

(12:09):
It's based includes the principle of one person, one vote.
In the courts, that's been defined as meaning every vote
should have equal value. That in turn has been defined
as requiring that electoral districts should have this roughly the
same population. How can they do that? If you don't

(12:29):
have a census. That is why drawing of the maps
is connected to the census in our constitution. That's what
Prop fifty undoes. There's a reason that it's connected to
the census, so you can have up to date population estimates,
so you can make the districts roughly equal in size.
If you don't have the census, how can you make
sure it's fair. Especially now in California. Since the last

(12:52):
time they did this, millions of people have fled our state,
driven out by the high taxes, the insane regulations, the crime,
the school stand as disast all these things, and so
millions of people have left. You've had whole neighborhoods burned
to the ground. They haven't done a census. They've drawn
up these maps in secret, totally political. It's illegal and unconstitutional,

(13:13):
and I'm trying to stop it in the courts.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
I get to know you, as voters get to know you.
A lot of interviews I do, or interviews. This is
an interview that's actually an interview for a Jobact. That's
what every thing you do is an interview for a job.
The voters are out there and they're listening, and I've
had Congress and Tom McClintock Congress and David Valadale. We've
had some heated conversations where we disagreed. Congressman McClintock, he

(13:39):
welcomes it, he loves it. We come back in. We're
respectful to each other and as Republicans, we disagree, but
we agree with the right to life, liberty, and the
pursuit of happiness. Yeah, you would agree with that, correct
one percent.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
By the way, Tom mclintock's a great guy. He endorsed me,
big supporter. I heard that along with Kevin Kylie didn't
Charlie Kirk Charlie Cook on day one of my campaign.
Charlie's a good friend. Look, I still use the present tense.
That's actually how I feel. I don't want to get
too sentimental about it, but you know, I was there
at the memorial on Sunday, and I feel that Charlie's

(14:12):
with me. I really do's. He's a force. I feel
his force. I feel a renewed force in this campaign.
I'm obviously devastated by the loss of so many people,
aren't I don't want to claim any special connection there.
There's many, many people much closer to Charlie than I was,
but we all felt it. Millions of people have felt
who didn't even know you, don't even know Charlie, and

(14:33):
yet they feel something strong has happened in our country
to them, to their communities, to their faith, whatever it
may be. I feel it too, and I think it's
it's gonna you know, really, I think that that vision,
especially that Erica laid out, especially in her Friday speech,
of they have no idea what's coming, they have no
idea what they've unleashed. With this, I often say since then,

(14:56):
one of the first pieces of evidence of that will
be when we flip California turn it read make us
take golden again.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Well, that that brings me talking about life and Charlie's
life to something important to me. I'm pro life, always
have been. I do have a few quotes, and that's
why I'm glad you're sitting across from me. One you
said the rest of us fifty seven percent want legal
abortion with some restrictions. Republicans are a head of Democrats
on every issue except one. Abortion. You mentioned Governor Yankin

(15:24):
made it the focus predictable results. When will the GOP
wake up campaign on your strengths, not weakness. I'll just
ask you, what's your definition of life?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Look, I think that my well, my first point is
that we got to win elections and we got to
be practical people. So in my entire campaign is about
what we can actually do.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
But what's your definition of life? I want to get
to think to know you right now and let my
voters that are interviewing anyone.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
It's very clear that life begins at conception. I don't
think there's any real dispute about that. I mean, I
know some people might challenge that, but.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
So you believe in God and a soul and all
of all of that's involved with it.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
I don't think I do. But I don't think you
need to. I think it's a matter of fact. You
can just I mean, that's when life begins.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Well, you hear people say in six week, fifteen weeks, ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
I mean, I've got to be honest. That's ridiculous, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (16:14):
But do you do you agree with your comment that
did you post that that's a politic Yeah, you do
want legal abortion with some restrictions. So if life is
that conception, you want legal abortions with what are those restrictions,
and I guess.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Well, I'm looking at what's what I can affect in California.
So here's what I think about this whole issue. That
it should always have been decided not by the judges
as it was before, but by the people. And that's
what President Trump enabled. That's what happened. And so in
different states that's being taken forward in different ways. Here

(16:51):
in California, they had a referendum. It's now in the
state constitution, so nobody can do anything about that unless
you overturn the constitutional rule that's there.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
So your definition of life is that conception once you're pregnant.
So are you saying personally you don't think it's right
to take a to have an abortion, or as governor you.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Well, there's nothing. That's what I would do as governor.
I want it to be very clear about what I
can do, what I will do. I want to move
us in California within using the power that I would
have as governor, I want to move us towards life.
What does that actually mean in practice? I can't change
the Constitution with a stroke of my pen. Neither could

(17:35):
any candidate who sits it. It's impossible, but it bags
a movement and a major statement. Hang on. What I
want to do is move us towards life. So what
I can practically do about that is a number of things,
like real things. First of all, to make this a
state where people want to have children, where they want
to have more beautiful babies, where they don't think I

(17:55):
can't have children. If I get pregnant, I got to
terminate the pregnancy because I can't afford to raise a
child here. I don't want it. It doesn't work. That's how
people are thinking today in California. That's the practical reality
of what's going on. Because everything's so expensive, the idea
of owning a home to raise your family is out
of reach for so many people. We can change that

(18:16):
so we once again become a state where people want
to have more children and raise them here. That's number one.
Hang on a second number, hold on.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
When I feel confused, I always feel somebody is really
good at what they're saying, and I'm confused by it.
As governor, would do would you be a pro life governor?
Yes or no?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yes? But what does that mean?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
It means standing up and saying it's like, I agree
with you that if it's a conception. I don't want
to God's hold on for a moment. God decides when
he's going to send a soul. I believe that. So
we agree that it's at the moment of conception. So
if we're sending that soul back, what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yes? But what can I do as governor? I'm not
a pastor. I'm running as a candidate for governor.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Well, if you can't determine what life is, should you
have authority if life lives or dies? If you can't
define it, But.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
What would you like me to say? That's practical?

Speaker 1 (19:08):
It's not what I want. You're talking to the people
the question.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
I've been very I don't understand. Actually, I truly don't
understand the part of this that you don't understand, which
is that as governor, what can I do to move
us towards life? I can't undo what's in the constitution
as governor.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Newsom has us as an abortion sanctuary state.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
That's a good example of what I would Yes. And
I was just going through the list and you interrupted me.
So if you let me finish the list, I can
tell you the specific things which and that would have
been one of them. That I can do to move
us towards life in a practical way that's actually achievable.
Number One, make it a state where people want to

(19:50):
have children. I've talked about that. Number Two, if prevent
unwanted pregnancy, and we can do a lot more there. Right,
you can do a lot more in terms of bringing
in the faith community, churches I've had I'm having active
conversations with pastors and churches about how we can work
together to stop unwanted pregnancy as far as we can.
That is something you can do that's practical, that's real

(20:13):
within the constitution. Number Three, you can remove the barriers
that are there right now to alternatives, for example, adoption.
Right now, we make it ridiculously complicated, way too complicated
for people to use that option. And so I would
want to have adoption as something that you would proactively

(20:34):
advocate for and use. And then, of course that point
that you just raised, which is we don't want to
be promoting it. We don't want to be positively promoting something,
and that's so of course all of that stuff that
Newsome is doing would end. So these are always that
you can actually do things in the real world that

(20:54):
move us towards life. If I stood here and said, yes,
I'm going to be pro life and abortion in California,
that would be a lie because it's not deliverable by
the governor, because it's in the constitution. And all throughout
my campaign, I never want to say anything or promise
anything that can't be delivered.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
They used to say that about Roe v. Wade as well,
that would I heard Republicans tell me that to my face,
that that would never change, and it did. So I
have you saying you're a pro life, you'd be a
pro life governor.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
No, I'd move us towards life. I don't want to
accept the framing.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
All right with I don't want legal abortion with some restrictions.
That's what you wrote on Twitter ex So we have
I don't know. I'm trying to figure out which what
kind of governor you would be. That's it. That's why
I'm asking you this. Well, like I've made the mistake
in the pass and assuming Republicans are a certain way,
So I said, all these next elections, I'm going to
ask these hard questions that you know. People softball it away.

(21:54):
But I think I'm getting to know you and the
voters are getting to know.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
What I think it's interesting is that you want me
to It's.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Not me wanting you to do anything. I'm asking you.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yes, and I've given you what I would do because
I'm a practical person. So it's not about are you
this label or that label? It's about what would you do?
What could you do? And what would you do? And
so that question of are you pro life or pro
choice actually doesn't relate. It's not relevant to what you
could do as governor because.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
It is in the circles that I run, and maybe
we are in different.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Circles, but there's no point someone sitting here and saying
that they're going to ban abortion in California? Is there?
Do you think that's a sense.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Of high way? Okay, okay, since you're asking me all
the questions in this interview here a lot of them,
and I'm glad I'll answer. I'll answer you, I'll answer
you back. I'll never do it because too many skeletons
in my closet. But if I were running for governor,
I would be Hi, I'm Trevor. I'm running for governor,
and I want to end abortion in this state because
I'm sorry, I think it's the extinguishment of a soul

(22:55):
that God sends down because I believe life happens at creation.
We agree with that. Oh yeah, that's what I would say,
thank you for asking.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
And how would you make that happen? As government?

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Maybe I'd lose, but I would at the end of
at the end of time, when I'm reviewed, I stood
up and said, God, I didn't send a soul back, Well,
he send what sixty million souls? I've done colorings with
colored pencils, and if somebody runs it, I get upset.
I created that. Imagine we're breaking his heart. Steve, that's
what That's how I feel, the man, No, that's how

(23:27):
I feel, and how.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
I feel is I don't want to lose. I want
to win so I can actually make life better for
millions of Californias who've been crossed by this regime. And
I don't want to lose. I don't want to lose
and fight a valiant fight and say things that people
want to hear, but lose. I think that is not
how I'm approaching this. I'm approaching this.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Honest, and I appreciate you being honest about it with
tough questions, and we don't talk about it enough I feel.
So I'm glad we had this conversation, and I.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Don't see it. I think it's an interesting and important conversation.
I don't even see it as a tough question. I
think it's an important conversation, and I think that the
importance of it for me, it's not just the detail
of that particular issue, but my whole attitude to this,
which is that I'm doing it, as I just said,
because I don't think we can just stand by, whether

(24:14):
that's individuals or as a party, and continue to take
positions and say things and divorce that from the reality
of trying to actually make change happen in California. On
the particular issue, there are a lot of changes I
can make in California, as I said, to move us

(24:34):
towards life, a lot that will be really positive. And
so that's what I want to focus on. And that's
what I mean when I say move us towards life.
That is a real statement of things that you can
do to preserve and protect life in California, real things,
whereas just saying your pro life that actually doesn't mean

(24:57):
anything in terms of what you can deliver, in terms
of what you can deliver as the governor of California,
given that it's in the constitution.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
All right, Well, listen, you gave me eight minutes past
the time that I requested on a man's busy day.
So I'm staying and having the conversation.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
It's an important conversation in terms. But I'd like to ask.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
You seriously because I feel serious.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
No, exactly, and it feels to me that you're resisting
that approach because you want to express the value that
so you hold so deeply to the exclusion of every
other consideration. That feels to me like where you are
on this. Is that a fair assessment?

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, I'm not great on life and death. That's how
I look at it.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
I understand. But the so the question of how you
could do anything about it doesn't concern you, how I
or the guest as governor.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
As governor, you're saying you can't do anything about it.
How can you not the influence that you have, How
you could lead society in a movement. You could go
to rallies, you could hold it's end abortion rallies. You
could educate people on what actually but if it happens,
you could defund it. You could sign get bills going
in Sacramento. I know it comes to the legislature and
all of that, but you could be the leader of that.

(26:18):
If I believed it was at creation, I would have
to do that.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, But if you look at the if you look
at the actual numbers in California in terms of what
you can do for.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Real, right the number you hadn't tried it yet. If
you look at the number, you are already saying that
it couldn't work.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Well, it's a much heavier lift, I know than winning
the to win.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Do any Democrat, Hispanics or Catholics, and if they really
were aware of what was going on, it could be
a movement. Man, we saw a movement on Sunday. God
can do anything, and I think I don't want to
send souls back to him. That's if you really want
to just that's the reason I'm against it. I don't know.
I'm not a scientist, and no scientists or doctor can
tell us when the soul is sent. I'm going to

(27:02):
err on the side of safety. Like you and I
agree that it's at the moment of conception.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
So I agree with that. But I've always believed that
I don't I think It's hard to imagine someone not
thinking of it in that way. I really really believe.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Sorry, I'm not trying to interrupt. So if you believe it,
and in that way you believe the souls being sent
back to have it as as like death, when death
happens like Charlie soul went boom.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
I think that. Again. I'm not a pastor, that's not
my role. My role is to run. I'm running for
governor because this state is in a mess, millions of people.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Really, you can't answer it. Does the soul go back
in an abortion? Because you does it go back? It
didn't take a pastor. If you believe the soul sin,
it has to go back, right, yes, but yes, But the.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Reason that I'm resisting, Okay, getting how does the soul
go then? And I'm running for governor.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Run in a case talking to each other figure this out.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I know I'm running for governor, right, and I have
a responsibility to do that in a way correct that
that we address the things there's governor that I could
do and.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Who are ultimately responsible to if I'm elected.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I'm responsible to the citizens of California to do a
good job for them on the and and to and
to move forward the things that I said I would
do that are deliverable. I mean, I can't just sit here.
There's a whole lot of things that I would love
to do as governor on many not just this, on
many issues. And I'm very clear I don't make those

(28:36):
kind of promises because I know what I've I you
didn't believe in it exactly, And it's not just whether
you believe in it, it's whether you can do it
in a real world.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
No. No, See, that's where you and I disagree. Okay,
you know it doesn't matter if you believe in it's
whether you can do it. How many people have done
things that at first they didn't believe they could do, right,
I mean, look at Charlie starting at eighteen going around
handing out business cards. He had no idea he was
going to grow into that. So yeah, I think differently. Now,

(29:06):
Can I dunk of basketball?

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Can you?

Speaker 1 (29:08):
No, we can't. As much as I believe it, it
cannot happen. So to say that we could eradicate abortion
in our lifetime, that could happen. It could. I can't
dunk a basketball. That's not going to happen, But that
could happen, and it's going to take strong leaders that
believe that creation happens at the moment of conception.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I think we're just having to say we're repeating ourselves.
I've said very clearly that I want to move us
to do the thing I want to win the election,
become the governor, and amongst the other things that I
want to get done, and there's a long list, because
there's a lot wrong with the state, as we've discussed
earlier today, for millions of people, and millions of people

(29:53):
have different because it's a big state, the biggest in
the country. People have different views that different priorities. A
lot we need to fix. Do you look at crime, homelessness.
The cost for everything is impossible. There's so many things
that need to be fixed. People have different priorities. There's
a lot to get done. Included in the things that
I want to get done, as I've said to you today,

(30:15):
is to move us towards life in practical, real ways
that I know that I can deliver within the first
term of administration that I would lead for real. Whereas
what you're discussing there is a long term change that
would require a constitutional amendment that would need to be
passed if it's not through the legislature, which it won't
be two thirds of the electorate. I'm not disagreeing with

(30:39):
you that it's completely impossible. I'm just asking you to
think about the reality of the first four years of
an administration that I lead. Do you really believe that
that is something that I could get done in the
first four.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Years you're asking me that question. I would vote for
somebody that said they could attempt to get that done.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I honestly believe, well, I think that they would be
I don't think that would be an honest response to
your question. I'm trying to be honest with you, Treve Well.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
I appreciate that, and you know, most interviews I've had
like this that are kind of back and forth, and
I have this feeling inside me of angst. And I've
actually been comfortable talking to you here, so I hope
you feel the same way a.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Very much, and I want to you know, it's a
real conversation. I really appreciate it, but I've just got
to be honest about how I feel about not just
the issues themselves, but again, coming back to it, I've
worked inside of a government. Maybe that's what's driving I'm
a practical person. I'm not a policy you know. Like
as I said earlier, most of my career has been
in business, getting things done. Can you build this building,

(31:43):
Can you deliver this contract? Can you open this restaurant
on time? Can you that's me. I'm very practical. I've
worked inside of a government, senior advisor to the Prime
Minister in the UK government. It's all about what can
you get done fighting the bureaucracy. I know what it's
like to be there every single day battling the bureaucracy.
It's an unbelievably heavy lift to do the things that

(32:05):
I want to get done. Three dollar gas, cut your
electricity bills in half, make your make the housing situation
one where you can actually afford to buy a home
of your own. Make this a place where people can
start and grow a business so we don't have the
highest unemployment in the country. All those things are incredibly difficult,
time consuming. Each one of them will involve a massive

(32:26):
battle with the bureaucracy. I'm just telling you I think
about this very deeply and very hard about what I
can actually deliver and get done and make life better
in California. That's why I take it very seriously. And
I don't want to sit here and pander to anyone
and say things that maybe others might say, but not me.
I'm practical.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Web excuse me, website for the campaign. Give it out.
I know you've now given me so many I mean
I handed it that. We were going to say bye
a few times. But thank you you camp it rolling, Steve,
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Steve Hilton for Governor dot com. Steve Hilton for Governor
dot com. Look, we've got to build an army of
volunteers because they've got a big machine. They got a
lot of money, the Union money, all the rest of
it we got. We've got to win this election. We've
got to We've got Look, we've got a lot to do.
We've got to stop Prop fifty. Then we've got to
get vote ID on the ballot, and then we've got
to win the election. All of this is going to

(33:20):
take work, volunteers, money. I need all of that, So
please get involved. Steve Hilton for Governor dot com.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Well, we know you got to catch up. Four o'clock.
I should be railed to bakershoelm. Well we'll let you
get out of here. Fantastic Steve Hilton, assistant Trevor Kerry
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