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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Quinna Cantra Picks one oh six.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
George Alivo, retired FBI agent, veteran polygraph examiner. We're over
at your company's website. When you're serious about the truth,
this is the guy we talked to. Thanks for coming on, George.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Thank you for having me so veteran polygraph guy. I mean,
you've been around the block when it comes to, you know,
being in front of people and using this system. I thought,
are they admissible? Are polygraph machines admissible in court?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
The answer it's kind of a tricky question. Yes and no.
And so fifteen states currently admit polygraph in front of
a jury, but only by stipulation, which means that both
sides have to agree for practical purposes. They probably will
never agree. So that's why you don't see it in
front of a jury very often.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Okay, what is the I mean, what is the level
of accuracy? And is can you even determine that sure.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
S legitimate polygraph? Now only talking about legitimate exams, because
there's a big difference between legitimate polygraph and a lot
of other things that pass for polygraph. Research shows that
it's about eighty five to ninety percent accurate and that's
based on a metas that had done in twenty ten
of over ten thousand polygraph e xams, both lab and
(01:12):
field good exams.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
So a and he's running their show on Thursdays.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's called Lie Detector, Truth or Deception And you're their
polygraph guy. You put the polygraph to Gary Coleman's widow,
who's some accused of being involved in Gary's death. How
did that turn out?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
George?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So the premiere with a two hour special aired about
two weeks ago, and she did take the test with me.
Do you want to know the result?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I do, unless you don't want to get the show
already aired, so it wouldn't be a total spoil.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's only eighty five percent of the truth.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
How did it come out? George?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
She failed a polygraphic buddy question regarding the question did
you physically physically cause Gary to fall?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
She failed?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
That she did?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
What is I mean?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Okay, a couple questions, but first one is does your
gut ever disagree with a polygraph or do they always
sync up?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Well, that's a good question. I've been trained for many,
many years to trust my charts, so I'm going to
trust the data. If I've done a legitimate test and
use all the protocols, then I'm just I'm going to
go with with the results of the test. Are that's
what you know? I think on always what they see
by cohs.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Quite over there, I said, you're probably a technical.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Stead the tests, your emotions start to get involved and
you start looking at facial expressions, you start making assumptions.
Am I right, sir?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Not in a polygraph setting. So if I don't have
a polygraph instrument with me and I'm just doing an
interview and transitioning to an interrogation because I believe the
person's lying to me, then yes, you have to look
at all verbal nonverbal indicators of deception. But with polygraphs
you're supposed to trust the charts, the physiology, what is
(02:58):
the body saying?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
But there used to break it that are fairly well known.
I can move on from it. I'm okay, Like you
could pretend like you can. You can pretend to fall asleep,
or breathe fast, or move awkwardly and stuff like that.
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah that's not that's not accurate because it's going to
invalidate the test.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Okay, So would you take a polygraph and say that, Yeah, absolutely,
it makes sense Georgia.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Leave from Yeah, I've taken four polygraphic exams myself, so
I don't think I could beat one myself.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, speaking of that, I just wanted to get this
out there. Any's lie detector, truth the deception. They're polygraph guy.
The best of the business is on the phone with
us right now. It's it's reported that inside the FBI,
like currently, they're using polygraphs on FBI agents as loyalty tests.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Do you believe that, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I'm not sure what you mean by loyalty tests. I
do know that every five years we're subject to polygraphing
them in the SBI. Every five years, you got to
take an exam to update your top secret clinics.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Okay, I didn't know that that, But I mean, since
you're in here, let's talk about how you feel about
certain people and your loyalty to the country, right.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
M Well, yeah, so, so polygraph is not good for emotions, intentions,
or feelings. Just just just to be clear, if anyone
says otherwise, it's not true. Polygraph is based on factual things,
something that happened or didn't happen, so if you want
to test someone's loyalty, you'd have to test them on
(04:36):
something that they actually did or did not do.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
How about PHENI barbitaal You got some of that locked
the way you can pull out if you really need it.
Isn't that the truth serum?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah? I haven't haven't had the use of it yet.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You're more than a polygraph guy. Have you have you
been to a black site? I feel like you've been
to a black site?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Black site? Well, I'm not sure what you're referring to.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Where they He's only something from lyon ass I remember
where they?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Can you know where you can be persuasive?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Oh, I thought him. No, No, I haven't haven't been
to one time like in.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
That black sides are so black.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
He pretends not even know about it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Right, Wow, this is fascinating. You've got some other people
coming up. You're talking or you're polygraphic A guy who
allegedly killed his parents.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I had no evidence, Jesse Holton that hasn't aired yet,
has it right?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
That's the next one coming up this Thursday.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Jesse.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
He's interesting. He's a young man, very you know. I
think he's in his twenties. Right now. He's proudly serving
in the US military, and police have long suspected him
of killing both of his parents in twenty sixteen. He
hasn't been charged. So just the the UH ten thousand
foot view of this case, he and his parents are
both in the house, he comes running out of the
(05:58):
house to the neighbor's house for help when both parents
are shot dead inside the house when police arrived. So
that looks pretty bad. That looks pretty bad. But the
idea is that the father was waving the gun around
and shot the mother and then shot himself, and then
Jesse ran out for help. That's the that's the idea.
That's his story.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You asked me why I have a ring cam inside
my house. That's to protect myself.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Hey, these live Protector Truth or Deception Thursday's nine o'clock.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Thanks for the time, George, fascinating, Thanks.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Poud, thank you, thank you for having me. Have a
good day.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Our pleasures quit.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You can't tear our picks. One on six
It's Quinna Cantra Picks one oh six.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
George Alivo, retired FBI agent, veteran polygraph examiner. We're over
at your company's website. When you're serious about the truth,
this is the guy we talked to. Thanks for coming on, George.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Thank you for having me so veteran polygraph guy. I mean,
you've been around the block when it comes to, you know,
being in front of people and using this system. I thought,
are they admissible? Are polygraph machines admissible in court?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
The answer it's kind of a tricky question. Yes and no.
And so fifteen states currently admit polygraph in front of
a jury, but only by stipulation, which means that both
sides have to agree for practical purposes. They probably will
never agree. So that's why you don't see it in
front of a jury very often.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Okay, what is the I mean, what is the level
of accuracy? And is can you even determine that sure.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
S legitimate polygraph? Now only talking about legitimate exams, because
there's a big difference between legitimate polygraph and a lot
of other things that pass for polygraph. Research shows that
it's about eighty five to ninety percent accurate and that's
based on a metas that had done in twenty ten
of over ten thousand polygraph e xams, both lab and
(01:12):
field good exams.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
So a and he's running their show on Thursdays.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's called Lie Detector, Truth or Deception And you're their
polygraph guy. You put the polygraph to Gary Coleman's widow,
who's some accused of being involved in Gary's death. How
did that turn out?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
George?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So the premiere with a two hour special aired about
two weeks ago, and she did take the test with me.
Do you want to know the result?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I do, unless you don't want to get the show
already aired, so it wouldn't be a total spoil.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's only eighty five percent of the truth.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
How did it come out? George?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
She failed a polygraphic buddy question regarding the question did
you physically physically cause Gary to fall?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
She failed?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
That she did?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
What is I mean?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Okay, a couple questions, but first one is does your
gut ever disagree with a polygraph or do they always
sync up?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Well, that's a good question. I've been trained for many,
many years to trust my charts, so I'm going to
trust the data. If I've done a legitimate test and
use all the protocols, then I'm just I'm going to
go with with the results of the test. Are that's
what you know? I think on always what they see
by cohs.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Quite over there, I said, you're probably a technical.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Stead the tests, your emotions start to get involved and
you start looking at facial expressions, you start making assumptions.
Am I right, sir?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Not in a polygraph setting. So if I don't have
a polygraph instrument with me and I'm just doing an
interview and transitioning to an interrogation because I believe the
person's lying to me, then yes, you have to look
at all verbal nonverbal indicators of deception. But with polygraphs
you're supposed to trust the charts, the physiology, what is
(02:58):
the body saying?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
But there used to break it that are fairly well known.
I can move on from it. I'm okay, Like you
could pretend like you can. You can pretend to fall asleep,
or breathe fast, or move awkwardly and stuff like that.
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah that's not that's not accurate because it's going to
invalidate the test.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Okay, So would you take a polygraph and say that, Yeah, absolutely,
it makes sense Georgia.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Leave from Yeah, I've taken four polygraphic exams myself, so
I don't think I could beat one myself.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, speaking of that, I just wanted to get this
out there. Any's lie detector, truth the deception. They're polygraph guy.
The best of the business is on the phone with
us right now. It's it's reported that inside the FBI,
like currently, they're using polygraphs on FBI agents as loyalty tests.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Do you believe that, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I'm not sure what you mean by loyalty tests. I
do know that every five years we're subject to polygraphing
them in the SBI. Every five years, you got to
take an exam to update your top secret clinics.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Okay, I didn't know that that, But I mean, since
you're in here, let's talk about how you feel about
certain people and your loyalty to the country, right.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
M Well, yeah, so, so polygraph is not good for emotions, intentions,
or feelings. Just just just to be clear, if anyone
says otherwise, it's not true. Polygraph is based on factual things,
something that happened or didn't happen, so if you want
to test someone's loyalty, you'd have to test them on
(04:36):
something that they actually did or did not do.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
How about PHENI barbitaal You got some of that locked
the way you can pull out if you really need it.
Isn't that the truth serum?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah? I haven't haven't had the use of it yet.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You're more than a polygraph guy. Have you have you
been to a black site? I feel like you've been
to a black site?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Black site? Well, I'm not sure what you're referring to.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Where they He's only something from lyon ass I remember
where they?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Can you know where you can be persuasive?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Oh, I thought him. No, No, I haven't haven't been
to one time like in.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
That black sides are so black.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
He pretends not even know about it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Right, Wow, this is fascinating. You've got some other people
coming up. You're talking or you're polygraphic A guy who
allegedly killed his parents.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I had no evidence, Jesse Holton that hasn't aired yet,
has it right?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
That's the next one coming up this Thursday.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Jesse.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
He's interesting. He's a young man, very you know. I
think he's in his twenties. Right now. He's proudly serving
in the US military, and police have long suspected him
of killing both of his parents in twenty sixteen. He
hasn't been charged. So just the the UH ten thousand
foot view of this case, he and his parents are
both in the house, he comes running out of the
(05:58):
house to the neighbor's house for help when both parents
are shot dead inside the house when police arrived. So
that looks pretty bad. That looks pretty bad. But the
idea is that the father was waving the gun around
and shot the mother and then shot himself, and then
Jesse ran out for help. That's the that's the idea.
That's his story.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You asked me why I have a ring cam inside
my house. That's to protect myself.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Hey, these live Protector Truth or Deception Thursday's nine o'clock.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Thanks for the time, George, fascinating, Thanks.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Poud, thank you, thank you for having me. Have a
good day.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Our pleasures quit.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You can't tear our picks. One on six
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