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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Let's talk Giants football, brought to you by Curtis lumber
your local full service home center and Lumberyard. And now
from the New York Giants pre and postgame show, it's
John Schmelk.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well, that was certainly something, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Jesus man?
Speaker 4 (00:22):
It was incredible to watch yesterday for a number of
different reasons.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hi, John, that was one of the wildest, strangest things
I have ever seen. So here Giants have great potential.
Thing though, well, sure I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
We'll save that for later. But I think there's a
silver lining in that game yesterday.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
But go ahead, you know I agree. This is the
stat I'll give you the start.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So I asked my friends over at that stats think
for this. How many times do you think in the
history of the National Football League a team has allowed
more than thirty three points in a fourth quarter of
a game. Never the Giants did yesterday. They allowed thirty three.
The only a team in the history of the National
Football League, getting back to nineteen twenty five that has
(01:08):
allowed more than thirty three points in a fourth quarter,
where the Chicago Bears in a two thousand and seven
game against the Lions, and the only reason they allowed
that many points was because an on side kick that
was a desperation kick on the last play of the
game was returned for a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So yeah, that was a.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Historic, historic game by the Giants yesterday. I don't know,
the Giants were leading eighteen to nothing going into that
fourth quarter and they managed to allow thirty three points
in the fourth quarter of that game to lose the
Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
That was so that it was a real that's a collapse,
that's a collapse? Is it a choke? But either the
same sets a coach thing, right?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I mean, look, you can look I honestly, And here's
how I opened the postgame show yesterday right on picks,
and I said, you could point to every aspect of
this team for why they lost the game. You had
two missed extra points by the kicker. You went the
defense giving up touchdowns on four consecutive possessions. You had
Jackson Dart throwing an interception on a third and five
(02:13):
when literally, if he just takes the snap and falls
down and blushes the Broncos to use the time out,
there's a good chance. And the Giants pump the ball.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
There's a really, really realistic.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Chance that the Broncos do not have enough time to
win that football game.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Well, John John Schmelt for the Giants pre and post
game show, I listened to you yesterday, guys, sounded great.
What about Brian Burns. That's a headline this morning. He's
upset with the coaches. What is he upset with the
play calls?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I don't honestly, I guess what the the and we
played it on the post game and I guess he
just mentioned the fact that they only rushed three guys
on one of those plays. Look, and you argue they
should have rushed four. Score Bonnicks also had the ball
out of his hands on that play in about two
and a half seconds, so I'm not sure it would
have mattered.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I think the bigger.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Issue is that you got And by the way, this
was not a prevent defense situation. They're playing man defense
with two safeties in the middle of the field trying
to defend the pass on that play. This is not
a zone defense like you did the end of the
Cowboys game, which was a very similar situation, and they
allowed Marvin Mims to catch it. I think that was
a twenty five yard pass between nine yard pass and
(03:26):
the middle of the field, and then another man to
man coverage situation. This is again not a prevent defense situation.
Deante Banks gets beat on the left side line by
Courtland Sutton and the Broncos get the game winning the
field low was a point.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
We got to look.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
It was bad, John, where it was bad? Where did
the Giants stand in ranking? That's your defense before yesterday's game.
Were they respectable? Were they at the bottom? Where were they?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
You know, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I did not. I don't know exactly where they were.
I think there were somewhere in the low twenties probably,
But if you look at the last few games, they
played pretty good good defense against the Chargers. In the
Saints game, they turned it.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Over five times.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
They didn't lose that game because of the defense. The
defense only gave up I think sixteen or nineteen points
in that game. And then the Giants played good defense
last week against the Philadelphia Eagle, they gave up seventeen points.
So it's been up and down. There have been some
bad moments this year by the defense to shore, but
this has not been some like continuous collapse by that unit.
And I think part of it.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
And Tek Barbara brought this up before the.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Game and brought it up again in the post game.
He thinks the air up there in Denver really finally
got to them in the fourth quarter. He thought they
looked absolutely exhausted. That makes sense, That does make sense.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
That's what he thought was the factor.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Schmelt there was. And I'm not a Giants fan, so
it's easier for me to not be hurt by it.
But I saw more positive things from that in that
game than I'd seen spent Giants. I feel like in years,
and I feel like Jackson Dart is elevating other players.
I saw players I didn't even know on the team
yesterday made catches.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, look, ka, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
To me, even though we threw that big interception late,
which ultimately cost the Giants the game, I thought that
was probably for me, the most encouraging start by Jackson Dart.
Do you know why the Broncos did not let him run?
He had nineteen or eleven rushing yards in the game.
He did this with his arm against which what was
(05:25):
something that was the best pass defense in the National
Football League. He made a couple of really big throws
on third and fourth down. He handled the blitz. He
handled the blitz really well. And look, he completed less
than fifty percent of his passes. I get that, but
he'd almost a three or good yard passing. It was
a new career of a career high for him in
terms of passing the football. He made a really big
throw on a fourth and nineteen Tawandol Robinson on what
(05:47):
was that potential final game winning drive that gave the
Giants the lead with like thirty seven seconds to go,
thirty five seconds whatever it was. So I was very
encouraging to know. Me, guys, I've been pumping the brakes
on dark the last year and there's a long way
to go.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Dream was really good yesterday. Yeah, Well, Rick's awesome.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Yeah, he's a top ten quarterback for sure. Yeah, you know,
he's not awesome.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Might be better than that.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Tyrod Taylor couldn't save the Jets. Shot that's awful.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Well, I guess the only the only, and and again
there are neighbors in the stadium. I don't want to
take shots. But there there is a chance that the
Jets are the I mean, they're probably the worst team
in the NFL, right now. Their offense is just an
absolute mess. Probably they can they can't score points, and
I don't I don't know who's going to start a
(06:37):
quarterback for them next week. I'm not sure if if
Aaron Gahad made that decision or made that call after
the game. I think he did.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
He I caught it.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Okay, that's and I think that's it's probably going to
be Tyrod Taylor, but I mean that's his. Uh, that's
as bad of a situation there in terms of quality
of play that that I've seen in a bit.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Did you see the Patrick Mahomes fake out play? We
are you there? He looks like he's trying to draw
him off sides to the point where he says the
Mike catches him, going this effing play never effing works, right,
and then they snap the ball and get the first down.
Pretty good?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
No, I did I see that?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah? And by the way, this is going to be
very boring. The Chiefs are the best team in the
National Football League again, and I'm not sure it's.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Right yet. Rice is back.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
They've You're worthies back, Hollywood Brown's making plays. I think
the Chiefs are probably the best team in the league now,
and then new year, same story.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Any coach is going to get fired this week, Mike McDaniel, anyone.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I think.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I think it's Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
If there's one that would be it. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I mean, I don't think you're solving your any problems
by making move with any coaches during the season. I
don't think that generally helps teams.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So I don't know. But I think as bad as
the Jets.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Are the Aarraguns first year, you have to give him time.
I would be shocked if we saw something with that.
But yeah, I think the other place that has been
on people's radars for a potential change was probably the Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
So the Dolphins were in Cleveland, it was rainy, so
McDaniel was wearing his hood and his hood on and
those big glasses, and everyone was comparing him to the unibomber. Oh,
he looks like the Hey, Giants Eagles. When's the next game,
Giants Eagles, Sunday.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Giants at Eagles. It'll be a rematch of the game
which was what eight days or ten days, the eleven
days ago? Now, whatever the heck was that's in Philly
on Sunday, kickoff at one o'clock, So pregame on Picks
at nude all.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Right, and then real quickly, what was the temperature of
Giants fans? Was it seventy five percent pissed and twenty
five percent silver lining? Yesterday? What was it?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
No, it was like ninety eight percent pissed and two
percent well at Leastia Jackson dark.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, it's John Schmid Giants.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
It was a rough hour ble golf.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, you funded great yesterday. Thanks for the time.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
John, Always a pleasure, boys talking on Friday. Guys,
Let's talk Giants football, brought to you by Curtis lumber
your local full service home center and Lumberyard. And now
from the New York Giants pre and postgame show, it's
John Schmelk.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well, that was certainly something, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Jesus man?
Speaker 4 (00:22):
It was incredible to watch yesterday for a number of
different reasons.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hi, John, that was one of the wildest, strangest things
I have ever seen. So here Giants have great potential.
Thing though, well, sure I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
We'll save that for later. But I think there's a
silver lining in that game yesterday.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
But go ahead, you know I agree. This is the
stat I'll give you the start.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So I asked my friends over at that stats think
for this. How many times do you think in the
history of the National Football League a team has allowed
more than thirty three points in a fourth quarter of
a game. Never the Giants did yesterday. They allowed thirty three.
The only a team in the history of the National
Football League, getting back to nineteen twenty five that has
(01:08):
allowed more than thirty three points in a fourth quarter,
where the Chicago Bears in a two thousand and seven
game against the Lions, and the only reason they allowed
that many points was because an on side kick that
was a desperation kick on the last play of the
game was returned for a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So yeah, that was a.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Historic, historic game by the Giants yesterday. I don't know,
the Giants were leading eighteen to nothing going into that
fourth quarter and they managed to allow thirty three points
in the fourth quarter of that game to lose the
Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
That was so that it was a real that's a collapse,
that's a collapse? Is it a choke? But either the
same sets a coach thing, right?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I mean, look, you can look I honestly, And here's
how I opened the postgame show yesterday right on picks,
and I said, you could point to every aspect of
this team for why they lost the game. You had
two missed extra points by the kicker. You went the
defense giving up touchdowns on four consecutive possessions. You had
Jackson Dart throwing an interception on a third and five
(02:13):
when literally, if he just takes the snap and falls
down and blushes the Broncos to use the time out,
there's a good chance. And the Giants pump the ball.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
There's a really, really realistic.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Chance that the Broncos do not have enough time to
win that football game.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Well, John John Schmelt for the Giants pre and post
game show, I listened to you yesterday, guys, sounded great.
What about Brian Burns. That's a headline this morning. He's
upset with the coaches. What is he upset with the
play calls?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I don't honestly, I guess what the the and we
played it on the post game and I guess he
just mentioned the fact that they only rushed three guys
on one of those plays. Look, and you argue they
should have rushed four. Score Bonnicks also had the ball
out of his hands on that play in about two
and a half seconds, so I'm not sure it would
have mattered.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I think the bigger.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Issue is that you got And by the way, this
was not a prevent defense situation. They're playing man defense
with two safeties in the middle of the field trying
to defend the pass on that play. This is not
a zone defense like you did the end of the
Cowboys game, which was a very similar situation, and they
allowed Marvin Mims to catch it. I think that was
a twenty five yard pass between nine yard pass and
(03:26):
the middle of the field, and then another man to
man coverage situation. This is again not a prevent defense situation.
Deante Banks gets beat on the left side line by
Courtland Sutton and the Broncos get the game winning the
field low was a point.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
We got to look.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
It was bad, John, where it was bad? Where did
the Giants stand in ranking? That's your defense before yesterday's game.
Were they respectable? Were they at the bottom? Where were they?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
You know, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I did not. I don't know exactly where they were.
I think there were somewhere in the low twenties probably,
But if you look at the last few games, they
played pretty good good defense against the Chargers. In the
Saints game, they turned it.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Over five times.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
They didn't lose that game because of the defense. The
defense only gave up I think sixteen or nineteen points
in that game. And then the Giants played good defense
last week against the Philadelphia Eagle, they gave up seventeen points.
So it's been up and down. There have been some
bad moments this year by the defense to shore, but
this has not been some like continuous collapse by that unit.
And I think part of it.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
And Tek Barbara brought this up before the.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Game and brought it up again in the post game.
He thinks the air up there in Denver really finally
got to them in the fourth quarter. He thought they
looked absolutely exhausted. That makes sense, That does make sense.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
That's what he thought was the factor.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Schmelt there was. And I'm not a Giants fan, so
it's easier for me to not be hurt by it.
But I saw more positive things from that in that
game than I'd seen spent Giants. I feel like in years,
and I feel like Jackson Dart is elevating other players.
I saw players I didn't even know on the team
yesterday made catches.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, look, ka, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
To me, even though we threw that big interception late,
which ultimately cost the Giants the game, I thought that
was probably for me, the most encouraging start by Jackson Dart.
Do you know why the Broncos did not let him run?
He had nineteen or eleven rushing yards in the game.
He did this with his arm against which what was
(05:25):
something that was the best pass defense in the National
Football League. He made a couple of really big throws
on third and fourth down. He handled the blitz. He
handled the blitz really well. And look, he completed less
than fifty percent of his passes. I get that, but
he'd almost a three or good yard passing. It was
a new career of a career high for him in
terms of passing the football. He made a really big
throw on a fourth and nineteen Tawandol Robinson on what
(05:47):
was that potential final game winning drive that gave the
Giants the lead with like thirty seven seconds to go,
thirty five seconds whatever it was. So I was very
encouraging to know. Me, guys, I've been pumping the brakes
on dark the last year and there's a long way
to go.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Dream was really good yesterday. Yeah, Well, Rick's awesome.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Yeah, he's a top ten quarterback for sure. Yeah, you know,
he's not awesome.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Might be better than that.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Tyrod Taylor couldn't save the Jets. Shot that's awful.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Well, I guess the only the only, and and again
there are neighbors in the stadium. I don't want to
take shots. But there there is a chance that the
Jets are the I mean, they're probably the worst team
in the NFL, right now. Their offense is just an
absolute mess. Probably they can they can't score points, and
I don't I don't know who's going to start a
(06:37):
quarterback for them next week. I'm not sure if if
Aaron Gahad made that decision or made that call after
the game. I think he did.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
He I caught it.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Okay, that's and I think that's it's probably going to
be Tyrod Taylor, but I mean that's his. Uh, that's
as bad of a situation there in terms of quality
of play that that I've seen in a bit.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Did you see the Patrick Mahomes fake out play? We
are you there? He looks like he's trying to draw
him off sides to the point where he says the
Mike catches him, going this effing play never effing works, right,
and then they snap the ball and get the first down.
Pretty good?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
No, I did I see that?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah? And by the way, this is going to be
very boring. The Chiefs are the best team in the
National Football League again, and I'm not sure it's.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Right yet. Rice is back.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
They've You're worthies back, Hollywood Brown's making plays. I think
the Chiefs are probably the best team in the league now,
and then new year, same story.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Any coach is going to get fired this week, Mike McDaniel, anyone.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I think.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I think it's Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
If there's one that would be it. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I mean, I don't think you're solving your any problems
by making move with any coaches during the season. I
don't think that generally helps teams.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So I don't know. But I think as bad as
the Jets.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Are the Aarraguns first year, you have to give him time.
I would be shocked if we saw something with that.
But yeah, I think the other place that has been
on people's radars for a potential change was probably the Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
So the Dolphins were in Cleveland, it was rainy, so
McDaniel was wearing his hood and his hood on and
those big glasses, and everyone was comparing him to the unibomber. Oh,
he looks like the Hey, Giants Eagles. When's the next game,
Giants Eagles, Sunday.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Giants at Eagles. It'll be a rematch of the game
which was what eight days or ten days, the eleven
days ago? Now, whatever the heck was that's in Philly
on Sunday, kickoff at one o'clock, So pregame on Picks
at nude all.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Right, and then real quickly, what was the temperature of
Giants fans? Was it seventy five percent pissed and twenty
five percent silver lining? Yesterday? What was it?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
No, it was like ninety eight percent pissed and two
percent well at Leastia Jackson dark.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, it's John Schmid Giants.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
It was a rough hour ble golf.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, you funded great yesterday. Thanks for the time.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
John, Always a pleasure, boys talking on Friday. Guys,
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