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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're to play you the impact statement from one of
the victim's sisters of the Idaho murders. Brian Kroberger got
sentenced to four years life sentence for life sentences without parole. Now,
before the the the plea agreement or after the plea agreement,
there was some criticism and even one of the families
is still upset that they were denied justice against Idahope
(00:24):
just uh just they gave their firing range where they
kill prisoners a glow up an anticipation of this Crowberger trial. Right, yeah, no,
if you want to make sure it meets all standards up, Yeah,
that's true, that's true social spotlight. But I will say this,
maybe the state accepting a plea agreement that just keeps
(00:47):
Kroberger off off the firing range was a good thing
because I couldn't imagine the stuff these families would go
through in a trial. And to think a trial that
painful could be technicality could make you have to do
it all over again.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Amazing, right if that happened. So for all this, but
I know, I think they made the right decision.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I feel like after hearing the impact statements yesterday, they
did all right. So here here's Kaylee's sister, and she
was also a friend of one of the other victims.
But this is a compelling impact statement delivered yesterday in
the sentencing of Brian Croberger.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Hello, I'd like to start by thanking the court for
allowing me the time and opportunity to speak today. My
name is Olivia and I'm the big sister of Kaylee Gonzalvez,
and I was blessed to love Madison Mogan as a
sister too. I'm not here today to speak in grief.
I'm here to speak in truth because the truth is
my sister Kayley and her best friend Mattie were not
(01:40):
yours to take. They were not yours to study, to stalk,
or to silence. They were two pieces of a whole,
the perfect yin and yang. They are everything that you
could never be loved, accepted, vibrant, accomplished, brave. I'm powerful
(02:01):
because the truth about Kaylee and Maddie is they would
have been kind to you if you had approached them
in their everyday lives. They would have given you directions,
thanked you for the compliment, or awkwardly giggled to make
your own words less uncomfortable for you. In a world
that rejected you. They would have shown mercy because the
(02:25):
truth is, I'm angry. Every day I'm angry. I'm left
shouting at the inside of my own head everything I
wish I could say to you. The truth about me
is when I heard the news, I didn't cry. I
listened for them. I promised them I would that I
(02:48):
would fight for them, that I would show up no
matter what it cost me. I swore I'd never let
them feel alone, because you see, I've always been their
heavy ways. I've always been the one to fight the
battles they didn't feel ready to fight themselves. All it
ever took was a call, and they knew I would
(03:08):
handle it for them, no matter the time, no matter
the cost. They could waive their white flag because they
knew I would never back down, not for them.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
And not even death could change that.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Somewhere along the line, I started to think about what
I would say to them if I was given just
one last chance, if I could gather enough heartbreak or
love or sacrifice or whatever it took to get just
one message across.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
What would I say.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Throughout this entire process, I've written my feelings down at
every moment, my wishes, my love, my denial, my anger,
and as one final act of love, I'd planned to
read these thoughts, even jarring and discombobulating and not even
making sense, because for me that was true love, as
(04:02):
bare and as naked as it could be, not laced
in pretty words or dressed for the occasion, but written
through bleary eyes at two am, with clenched fists, angry
at this reality. My true final act of love was
to continue on without them, for them.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
That dream to read love, to read.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Aloud my love to them, to bring meaning through pain
was the latest blow in realizing you don't deserve it,
and Kiley and Matty don't need it. Hailey and Matty
have always known my love and they would never ask
me to prove it by further victimizing myself to a
(04:48):
defendant who has shown no guilt, no remorse, no apprehension.
They would say to me, why would you give the
satisfaction of showing vulnerability? Now you promised you would never
back down, And for that clarity, I'm thankful. I won't
stand here and give you what you want. I won't
(05:10):
offer you tears, I won't offer you trembling disappointments like
you thrive on pain, on fear, and on the illusion
of power, And I won't feed your beast.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Instead, I will call you what.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
You are, sociopath, psychopath, murderer. I will ask the questions
that reverberate violently in my own head, so loudly that
I can't think straight most any day. Some of these
might be familiar, So sit up straight when I talk
to you. How is your life right before you murdered
(05:49):
my sisters? Did you prepare for the crime before leaving
your apartment? Please detail what you are thinking and feeling.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
At this time.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Why did you choose my sisters before making your move?
Did you approach my sisters? Detail what you were thinking
and feeling before leaving their home? Is there anything else
you did? How does it feel to know the only
thing you failed more miserably at than being a murderer
(06:21):
is trying to.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Be a rapper?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Did you recently start shaving or manually pulling out your eyebrows?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Why?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
November thirteenth, did you truly think your Amazon purchase was
untraceable because you used a gift card? How do you
find it enjoyable to stargaze with such a severe case
of visual snow where is the murder weapon, the clothes
you wore that night? What did you bring into the
(06:54):
house with you? What was the second weapon you used
on Cayley? What were Kayley's last words? Please describe in
detail the level of anxiety you must have felt when
you heard the bear cat pull up to your family
home on December thirtieth, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Which do you regret more.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Returning to the crime scene five hours later, or never
ever going back to Moscow, not even once after stalking
them there for months. If you're really smart, do you
think you'd be here right now? What's it like needing
this much attention just to feel real? You're terrified of
(07:44):
being ordinary, aren't you? Do you feel anything at all?
Or are you exactly what you always feared?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Nothing? If you're so powerful, then why are you still hide? Defendant?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
You see I'm here today as me, But who are you?
Let's try to take off your mask and see you
didn't create devastation. You revealed it in It's in yourself
and that darkness you carry, that emptiness, You'll sit with
it long after this is over. That is your sentence,
(08:23):
and it was written on the wall long before you
ever pled guilty. You didn't win, You just exposed yourself
as the coward you are. You're a delusional, pathetic, hypochondriac
loser who thought you were so much smarter than everybody else,
(08:46):
constantly scolding, turning your nose up to grammar mistakes, nitpicking,
and criticizing others. You wanted so badly to be different,
to be special, to be better, to be deep, to
be mysterious. You found yourself thinking you were better than
everyone else, and you thought you could figure out the
human psyche and see through it all while tweaked out
(09:07):
on heroin. Lurking in the shadows made you feel powerful
because no one ever paid you any attention.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
In the light.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
You thought you were exceptional, all because of a grade
on a paper. You thought you were elite, because your
online IQ test from twenty ten told you so.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
All of that effort just to seem important. It's desperate.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
There is a name for your condition, though your inflated
ego just didn't allow you to see it.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Wanna be.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
You act like no one could ever understand your mind.
But the truth is you're basic. You're a text bookcase
of insecurity disguised as control. Your patterns are predictable. Your
motives are shallow. You are not profound. You're pathetic. You
weren't special or deep, not mysterious or exceptional. Don't ever
(10:03):
get it twisted again. No one is scared of you today.
No one is intimidated by you, no one is impressed
by you. No one thinks that you are important. You
orchestrated this like you thought you were God. Now look
at you, begging a courtroom for scraps. You spent months preparing,
(10:23):
and still all it took was my sister and as
she you work so hard to seem dangerous, but real
control doesn't have to prove itself. The truth is the
scariest part about you.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It's how painfully average you turned out to be.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
The truth is as dumb as they come, stupid, clumsy, slow, sloppy, weak, dirty.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Let me be.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Very clear, don't ever try to convince yourself you mattered
just because someone finally said your name out loud. I
see through you. You want the truth. Here's the one you'll
hate the most. If you hadn't attacked them in their
sleep in the middle of the night like a pedophile,
(11:15):
Kaylee would have kicked your ass.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Wow,
We're to play you the impact statement from one of
the victim's sisters of the Idaho murders. Brian Kroberger got
sentenced to four years life sentence for life sentences without parole. Now,
before the the the plea agreement or after the plea agreement,
there was some criticism and even one of the families
is still upset that they were denied justice against Idahope
(00:24):
just uh just they gave their firing range where they
kill prisoners a glow up an anticipation of this Crowberger trial. Right, yeah, no,
if you want to make sure it meets all standards up, Yeah,
that's true, that's true social spotlight. But I will say this,
maybe the state accepting a plea agreement that just keeps
(00:47):
Kroberger off off the firing range was a good thing
because I couldn't imagine the stuff these families would go
through in a trial. And to think a trial that
painful could be technicality could make you have to do
it all over again.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Amazing, right if that happened. So for all this, but
I know, I think they made the right decision.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I feel like after hearing the impact statements yesterday, they
did all right. So here here's Kaylee's sister, and she
was also a friend of one of the other victims.
But this is a compelling impact statement delivered yesterday in
the sentencing of Brian Croberger.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Hello, I'd like to start by thanking the court for
allowing me the time and opportunity to speak today. My
name is Olivia and I'm the big sister of Kaylee Gonzalvez,
and I was blessed to love Madison Mogan as a
sister too. I'm not here today to speak in grief.
I'm here to speak in truth because the truth is
my sister Kayley and her best friend Mattie were not
(01:40):
yours to take. They were not yours to study, to stalk,
or to silence. They were two pieces of a whole,
the perfect yin and yang. They are everything that you
could never be loved, accepted, vibrant, accomplished, brave. I'm powerful
(02:01):
because the truth about Kaylee and Maddie is they would
have been kind to you if you had approached them
in their everyday lives. They would have given you directions,
thanked you for the compliment, or awkwardly giggled to make
your own words less uncomfortable for you. In a world
that rejected you. They would have shown mercy because the
(02:25):
truth is, I'm angry. Every day I'm angry. I'm left
shouting at the inside of my own head everything I
wish I could say to you. The truth about me
is when I heard the news, I didn't cry. I
listened for them. I promised them I would that I
(02:48):
would fight for them, that I would show up no
matter what it cost me. I swore I'd never let
them feel alone, because you see, I've always been their
heavy ways. I've always been the one to fight the
battles they didn't feel ready to fight themselves. All it
ever took was a call, and they knew I would
(03:08):
handle it for them, no matter the time, no matter
the cost. They could waive their white flag because they
knew I would never back down, not for them.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
And not even death could change that.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Somewhere along the line, I started to think about what
I would say to them if I was given just
one last chance, if I could gather enough heartbreak or
love or sacrifice or whatever it took to get just
one message across.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
What would I say.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Throughout this entire process, I've written my feelings down at
every moment, my wishes, my love, my denial, my anger,
and as one final act of love, I'd planned to
read these thoughts, even jarring and discombobulating and not even
making sense, because for me that was true love, as
(04:02):
bare and as naked as it could be, not laced
in pretty words or dressed for the occasion, but written
through bleary eyes at two am, with clenched fists, angry
at this reality. My true final act of love was
to continue on without them, for them.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
That dream to read love, to read.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Aloud my love to them, to bring meaning through pain
was the latest blow in realizing you don't deserve it,
and Kiley and Matty don't need it. Hailey and Matty
have always known my love and they would never ask
me to prove it by further victimizing myself to a
(04:48):
defendant who has shown no guilt, no remorse, no apprehension.
They would say to me, why would you give the
satisfaction of showing vulnerability? Now you promised you would never
back down, And for that clarity, I'm thankful. I won't
stand here and give you what you want. I won't
(05:10):
offer you tears, I won't offer you trembling disappointments like
you thrive on pain, on fear, and on the illusion
of power, And I won't feed your beast.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Instead, I will call you what.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
You are, sociopath, psychopath, murderer. I will ask the questions
that reverberate violently in my own head, so loudly that
I can't think straight most any day. Some of these
might be familiar, So sit up straight when I talk
to you. How is your life right before you murdered
(05:49):
my sisters? Did you prepare for the crime before leaving
your apartment? Please detail what you are thinking and feeling.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
At this time.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Why did you choose my sisters before making your move?
Did you approach my sisters? Detail what you were thinking
and feeling before leaving their home? Is there anything else
you did? How does it feel to know the only
thing you failed more miserably at than being a murderer
(06:21):
is trying to.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Be a rapper?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Did you recently start shaving or manually pulling out your eyebrows?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Why?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
November thirteenth, did you truly think your Amazon purchase was
untraceable because you used a gift card? How do you
find it enjoyable to stargaze with such a severe case
of visual snow where is the murder weapon, the clothes
you wore that night? What did you bring into the
(06:54):
house with you? What was the second weapon you used
on Cayley? What were Kayley's last words? Please describe in
detail the level of anxiety you must have felt when
you heard the bear cat pull up to your family
home on December thirtieth, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Which do you regret more.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Returning to the crime scene five hours later, or never
ever going back to Moscow, not even once after stalking
them there for months. If you're really smart, do you
think you'd be here right now? What's it like needing
this much attention just to feel real? You're terrified of
(07:44):
being ordinary, aren't you? Do you feel anything at all?
Or are you exactly what you always feared?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Nothing? If you're so powerful, then why are you still hide? Defendant?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
You see I'm here today as me, But who are you?
Let's try to take off your mask and see you
didn't create devastation. You revealed it in It's in yourself
and that darkness you carry, that emptiness, You'll sit with
it long after this is over. That is your sentence,
(08:23):
and it was written on the wall long before you
ever pled guilty. You didn't win, You just exposed yourself
as the coward you are. You're a delusional, pathetic, hypochondriac
loser who thought you were so much smarter than everybody else,
(08:46):
constantly scolding, turning your nose up to grammar mistakes, nitpicking,
and criticizing others. You wanted so badly to be different,
to be special, to be better, to be deep, to
be mysterious. You found yourself thinking you were better than
everyone else, and you thought you could figure out the
human psyche and see through it all while tweaked out
(09:07):
on heroin. Lurking in the shadows made you feel powerful
because no one ever paid you any attention.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
In the light.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
You thought you were exceptional, all because of a grade
on a paper. You thought you were elite, because your
online IQ test from twenty ten told you so.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
All of that effort just to seem important. It's desperate.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
There is a name for your condition, though your inflated
ego just didn't allow you to see it.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Wanna be.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
You act like no one could ever understand your mind.
But the truth is you're basic. You're a text bookcase
of insecurity disguised as control. Your patterns are predictable. Your
motives are shallow. You are not profound. You're pathetic. You
weren't special or deep, not mysterious or exceptional. Don't ever
(10:03):
get it twisted again. No one is scared of you today.
No one is intimidated by you, no one is impressed
by you. No one thinks that you are important. You
orchestrated this like you thought you were God. Now look
at you, begging a courtroom for scraps. You spent months preparing,
(10:23):
and still all it took was my sister and as
she you work so hard to seem dangerous, but real
control doesn't have to prove itself. The truth is the
scariest part about you.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It's how painfully average you turned out to be.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
The truth is as dumb as they come, stupid, clumsy, slow, sloppy, weak, dirty.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Let me be.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Very clear, don't ever try to convince yourself you mattered
just because someone finally said your name out loud. I
see through you. You want the truth. Here's the one you'll
hate the most. If you hadn't attacked them in their
sleep in the middle of the night like a pedophile,
(11:15):
Kaylee would have kicked your ass.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Wow,
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