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June 29, 2025 15 mins
Original Air Date: June 29, 2025

Carla Cooke was just months old when her legendary dad, singer/songwriter Sam Cooke was killed by a motel clerk when he was 33 in 1964. He was way ahead of his time, setting up his own music label, to make sure he and other artists would be fairly compensated for their work. Carla is following in her dad’s footsteps as a singer/songwriter herself, with a traveling show in his honor.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Sunstein Sessions on iHeartRadio, conversations about issues that matter.
Here's your host, three time Grasie Award winner, Shelley Sunstein.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
I want to introduce you to Carla Cook. She is
a singer songwriter and she is the daughter of the late, great,
iconic Sam Cook, who you know the song's Cupid Chain
Gang Another Saturday Night you send me Mustang, Sally and

(00:32):
so many more. And Sam Cook died. He was shot
and killed by a motel manager in la in nineteen
sixty four. And Carla, you were what four months old
at the time.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yes, I was. I was only four months old.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
So you only know of your father from what your
family has told you.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
That's correct.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Yes, I have a lot of conversations with my uncle
and other family members about my father.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
There was a lot of controversy about his death. How
does the family feel about that because it was called
to justified killing.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Well, we all say that it was a sad day
and a sad thing to happen. We wish it wouldn't
have happened to my father, but it did. Sadly, things
like this go unsolved, so we just took it at that.
You know that it was a tragedy that came about,

(01:39):
and it took a good soul and a good man
and a good entertainer far too soon.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Absolutely, he was thirty three years old. Yes, I mean
think of their career, the career he could have had. Yeah,
because look at the career he did have.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
In such a short time.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yes, Yeah, the impact he made with his music in
such a short time.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
So what can you tell us about what you learned
about your father that the public doesn't know. We know
him for songs. That's it.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
That he was a real caring person. You know, he
cared about others.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
He really cared not only about his self and entertainment,
but his artists. He owned his own record label, so
he really cared about his artists that they made it big,
that they had hit records.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Not only himself.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
And he would help anybody if they needed help at
any time.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
He was just a very loving and caring man.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Who else was on his label?

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Johnny Morrisette, the Sims Twins, his brother, Elsie Cook and
little No Little Anthony knew him, but the Billy Preston.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Was on there. Mill Carter was on there.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
The Valentinos, which included Bobby Woomeck and his brothers.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Wow. Wow, I had no idea. When did you know
that you had inherited his great talent?

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Well, you know, I started singing as a very young girl.
I joined the children's choir at my church. But by
the time I got to the teenage choir, I was
offered a solo and it was God Is Truly Amazing
by Denise Williams. And after that one of the Dickens

(03:41):
called me Songbird. They named me Songbird, and they asked
if I could do a concert for Youth Month every year.
So I guess I was good enough to do that
on my own. I was scared, though, I was you know,
I was yeah him at then I had to ask
some of my girlfriend I asked two of my girlfriends

(04:02):
would they join me? Because I was like, how am
I going to do this by myself? And so I
asked them and they happily joined along with me.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
And what about where are you at career wise? What
have you been doing? I know you're into gospel rm
B Christian music Right now?

Speaker 4 (04:24):
My main focus is I have a show called The
Sam Cook Experience, and it showcases all my father's hit
music and I do that along with storytelling to some
of the songs before I sing them, I introduced a
story about my father.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
So that's my main focus at the moment.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I do.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Right, I have some music of my own, but you know,
right now I'm doing the Sam Cook experience.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
And how do people or when can we experience the
Sam Cook experience with you?

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Carla?

Speaker 4 (04:57):
You can look on my website Carlocook dot com.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
It'll give you all.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
The information where I'm going to be at and you
can just look on there at carlicok dot com and
it has all listed all my all my songs that
all my the places that I will be singing at.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
So tell us, as if I was in the audience,
tell me a story about your your dad's songs. Okay,
I ha a song.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
His first number one hit, you Send Me Out the Gate. Well,
that wasn't his first song that he recorded.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
He first recorded a song that he had.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Made for the Soul Stirs called Wonderful. But he entitled
this song lovable but it was nearly based on the
same line as Wonderful, but Lovabo was about a woman.
And he put the song out and when he put
the song out, he was like a little hesitant to
go into pop back then, so he changed the name

(06:00):
and said that the song was done by Dale Cook
instead of Sam Cook. But when the song came out
on the radio and people heard it, they said, this voice,
it really sounds familiar. It doesn't sound like Adelle Cook.
We know this voice, especially when he did his famous.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yodo whoa and oh who when then they knew that
this is definitely Sam Cook. But the song it didn't
go over as well as my father really wanted it to.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
So he had to go back to the drawing board,
and when he did, he came out with his first
number one hit that knocked Elvis Presley's Jailhouse Rock off
the top spot on Billboard. So You Send Me became
his first number one hit.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Did he write You Send Me? He did, he did,
So what's the story? What was the inspiration there? Do
you know?

Speaker 4 (06:55):
I guess because of the love of a woman, you know,
and all his songs are really was about. So he
incorporated that into his songs, and he used to say,
you know, if you listen to what's going on in
the world and what people talk about, you can write
a hit song. How did he fare financially? Because we
hear so much about the earlier artists and how they struggled,

(07:22):
and they didn't really get you know, you would have
thought he was a very wealthy man for all of
the hits he gave us.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yes, you know, back then for a black artist, it
was hard.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
And my father he became the first black artist to
own his own publishing company, and he became the first
black artist to own his own record label in sixty
four before Motown.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
And he was just a smart businessman.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Even when he did his first record deal, he only
got distribution through them, and he owned all the right
to his song Owl.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
He had foresight. I mean, most people at the time
were just happy to have a song out or to
perform right, and they were they were just taking advantage
of And he was very very intuitive.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yes, he was Valentinos go ahead.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
I'm sorry, Jill had no no, no go on.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Just looked like with the Valentinos on his label. When
Bobby will Mac came to him with a song that
he wanted my father to record on the Valentinos on
Bobby wal Mack and his brothers, he told him, you know,
I think that you should.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
He went.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
After he listened to the song, he told Bobby that
he should go ahead and give the song to the
Rolling Stones.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
But Bobby didn't want to so but my.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Father said, you know you should, because if you do,
the song will be a big hit and you'll make
more money from it. And so reluctantly Bobby walmck followed
my father's advice and he went on and It's all
over Now became the Rolling stones first number one hit
in the UK, and it hit the charts here.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
In US too. So he was a very smart and
savvy businessman.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Very I am speaking with Carla Cook. She is the
daughter of the late Great Sam Cook, who died in
a motel shooting in la in nineteen sixty four. Carla
never knew her dad because she was only four months
old when he died, but now she is performing really

(09:30):
a tribute to her dad and retelling her dad's stories.
Give me another example of a song and a story
behind it.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
See we're going through my whole.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Oh yeah, because I don't know that I'm going to
get to see you.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
That's right, I'm seeing you right now.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
I want the stories.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
I also tell a story about when he was in
a hotel room with Aretha Franklin and she and my
father were sitting down talking and she said that one
thing could have led to another.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
But they heard a.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Knock at the door, like boom boom, boom boom, Rita,
are you in there?

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Areta? Are you in there? And it was her.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Father, the reverend, uh, the reverend at Franklin. And she
said that her and my father froze stiff, and it
was like giving new meaning to waiting to ex hell.
But along came one of the Staples singers and they.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Was like, Reverend Franklin, we don't think she's in there.
We don't believe she's in there. We just saw her
going down the hall right there around the corner.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
So Ritha said that she poked her face out the door,
she put a little crack in the door, and as
soon as she saw that her father had turned the corner,
she shot out my father's room, never to return again.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
And there went the opportunity of romance.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Right.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Imagine the two of them together. Oh no, the babies.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, but they were good friends.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
They were good friends, her and my and my uncle
Elsie Cook.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
They were really really good for meds.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
What do you think gave your father such a good
sense of business? Was it his upbringing at all.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
His father was a pastor, but my father vowed that
he would learn all that he could about the music business.
He just didn't want to be an entertainer, you know.
He wanted to know what was going on around him
with his money, and he just wasn't going to just
be there someone to sing.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
He wanted to do it all.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Do you ever feel your father's presence with you?

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Of course, especially when I'm on stage, I'm in another zone.
So yeah, especially when I'm on stage with my father.
I do this song by Whitney Houston, I will Always
Love You as a part of my show, and I
dedicate that to my father, and I really feel his
presence then.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Have ever You know, I believe in this because sometimes
I believe that my father is with me. Give you
an example.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
At my.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Oldest son's engagement party, he was drinking a Scotch, which
was my father's favorite drink, and all of a sudden,
my son got his very cold hand off the Scotch
drink and put it on my upper arm, which was
something my father always used to do when I was

(12:30):
a child. So has anything like that happened to you
where it was something physical where it was like what.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
On stage, his presence comes over me and I'm just
in another zone when that happens, and it's just like
I just have to do all that I can to
represent him and do it well.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Have you given any thought this has become such a
big thing in Hollywood doing a biopic about your dad,
Sam Cook.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Of course it's in I believe it's in the works.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Hopefully that'll come about one day soon and that would
be really really nice to see.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Who would you like to play him? Uh?

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Oh, I don't know. I don't know yet. I've thought
about I don't know. I really have to think about
that one, because.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
We don't have to have the swag, they have to
have the personality to go with it and the debonair
about themselves.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
I don't know yet. I haven't had the voice yet.
The voice.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Okay, we only have about a minute and a half left,
Carla Cook. What else do you want our audience to
know about you or your late dad, Sam Cook.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
I want them to know that his music is something
that will go on and on and on, that.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Will always be relevant.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
We see that now, even like sixty years after his death,
he is still one of the most high regarded entertainers
in our time. As for me, I am his daughter.
I would love for people to see my show, other
people to sing his songs and do his songs on tour.

(14:25):
But I believe that a legacy such as myself I
do it well. I wish that people can come and
see it whenever I'm in their area.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
I would love that so much.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
And again, how can they find out when and where
they can see this performance?

Speaker 4 (14:45):
They can look at my schedule on Carlocook dot com.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
I'm also on Facebook and Instagram.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
You can find me at Carla Cook on Facebook or
Instagram anytime that you want any information concerning myself.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
And that's cook with an e at that.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Cook with the thank you, because there is another Carla Cook.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
She's not me, Carla Cook, not me, not me, Carla Cook,
Thank you so much, Carla Cooke. It was wonderful having
this conversation and remembering your dad and talking to you
about your career and your performances.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
You've been listening to Sunstein sessions on iHeartRadio, a production
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