December 23, 2024 • 13 mins
It has been an extraordinary year for Team New Zealand, securing a third successive win in the Louis Vuitton 37th America’s Cup in Barcelona.
They were up against Challenger of the Record, INEOS Britannia, in a single race that ebbed and flowed from the outset but ultimately saw the kiwis secure victory by 37 seconds.
Team New Zealand CEO Grant Dalton has led the team for many years, and tells Tim Beveridge the absolute relief of winning and the reception as the team came in can’t be topped for highlights this year.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's time to get into our next feature interview. It's
been an amazing year for Team New Zealand. They made
history by winning the Louis vu Tong America's Cup thirty
seventh America's Cup after an epic final showdown in Barcelona
up against the challenger of record Inios, Britannia, in a
race that ebbed and flowed from the outset, but ultimately
saw the Kiwi's secure victory in the end in that
(00:38):
final race by thirty seven seconds, and Team New Zealand
boss Grant Dalton joins me.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Now, good morning Wonington.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Looking back on the year twenty twenty four, winning the
America's Cup obviously is the thing people must think would
be the headline, But is there another moment or two
that stands out for you as a personal highlight.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
No, I don't think so. I think that that last
race and the reception that we received when we came
in and the just the sheer feel an absolute relief
that we'd won.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
That's that.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
I mean, three times don't get any bigger than that.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
And what was it like within Barcelona stiff I watched
it on TV In terms of the feeling around the city.
How much did the America's cut permeate the city?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I mean one of the things you judged by when
you go to take an event of that to a city,
a vibrant city like Barcelona.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Is did the locals engage? Now?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And I mean I can't answer that question definitively if
you need to ask the locals, But just to give
some perspective, we had two point five million people through
the village and in the fan zones. Two hundred and
forty five Supi yoks were in the marina, which was
this time of the year would.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Be basically empty.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
So those two point five million didn't come from other countries.
A lot of that is from within Barcelona and Catalonia.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
To be fair, of course, you're not just mounting a defense.
You put it on a regatta with the Youth America's
Cup women's events. What's the key to trying to manage
that all successfully and still win?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Well, that's exactly the right question, because that's the you know, the.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Operations and success and the patient dies.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
You know, we're not at this point here in New Zealand,
bople don't talk about the success of Barcelona. They talk
about whether we won or not, the fact that there
was very successful.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And I think the the key.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
To that is that my function is very mixed with
team and event. But the guys that are running the
team or the people that are running the event are
not mixed at all, and they're focused on their jobs.
And then look, I mean, there's so many cliches in this,
but it's getting the right people in the right positions
and motivated to do a job. And these people, I mean,
(02:59):
you know, I'm just talking to someone this morning that's
still well, we're now seven weeks since the Cup, eight
weeks since the Cup is still completely flat because of
leave such a void, because it's such a all consuming
mission to mount the defense and to run an event
like this.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Is that where you're at at the moment? Things a
bit sort of flat and away or are you just
working all hours?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Still?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
No, No, they're a little bit flat for sure. But
but getting back here summer.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
With my family.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
You know, we're going away in a few days for
Christmas holidays. That's the next lift, you know. I mean,
I think one of the One of the things about
a job like this is that you have to be
able to departmentalize these things, and otherwise it would just
basically slowly wear you.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Down if it was just to take a guess, I'm
guessing you're an active relaxer. You're not just going to
go sit on a beach somewhere. Are you going to
surprise me?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
No?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
No, no, I couldn't think of anyone else ago, nothing
about not I was going to say in a few hours,
probably about fifteen minutes. But yeah, we have a little
five years old and he's like an with a human,
you know, jumping chimpanzee, and that's just that's fantastic, you know,
teaching them, We teach him, trying to teach him to
stale over the holidays and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Do we have a faster boat all better sailors or
is a bit of both?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah, it's a bit of boat. One of the things
about Auckland twenty one is we had a significantly faster BI,
but we didn't actually sail it very well. And that
was one of the key findings and it was pretty
damn obvious, to to be fair, of the really brutal
review we did after twenty one, and the yachties this
(04:50):
time were MVP. The boat was fast, everything was well,
running really well as a team. But the YACHTI stepped
up as well and they sailed really well. B it
that I think we still had a faster boat. And
the other thing is that and no better example than
to happen in Pereaz for example. I mean they've basically
got the same car. One knows how to set it
(05:12):
up and now the one doesn't. And it's no surprise
that fast boats.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Have good yachties and good yotties have fast boats.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
So it's a completely you can't pull it two things
apart inextricably linked.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Actually on the technology front, is it something where the
technology is going to bring the competition closer and closer
and it's going to rely on the sailors more and more.
Or is there always going to be the potential with
budgets and technology and personnel to simply always have its
slight technological edge, a bit like the Red Bull versus
you know, the ass.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, and I think, but that's the fascination of the
America's Cup. You know, it's not a one design event
where everybody's got the same boat. Now that's got its
place in the world. But this is the top of
the food chain. This is the technology, you know. I'm
trying to think of an example where you've got GB
two or Formula two in Formula one.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
This is Formula.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
One where where the cars in Formula two are very
very similar, if not exactly the same. So you never
one of these questions about should it be a lot cheaper,
should you dumb it down in terms of the technology,
therefore create more teams, etc. And I am not in
that camp of dumbing it down and bringing technology back
(06:37):
more to the center. I think it should remain the
absolute clinicle of technology. And yes, someone will always have
an advantage because they will do their technology better. And
so that's how I think it should be.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Before the break, we talked about technology and always wanting
to give teams the ability, I guess to still build
an edge. I'm just curious, with all the technological advances
in carbon fibre design, the science, where does your fashion
fascination lie or has it evolved that you might be
more interested or passionate about science and technology, or is
(07:09):
it ultimately for you still getting the wind in the sails?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, I failed U University entrance physics. I've got thirty two.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, I remember it because I got a creditor back
in those days, but I didn't get a credited physics.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
My fascination other than the team dynamics, which you know
is important to me and I love, is the science.
And I think that going forward into the next Cup,
I mean, yeah, three was difficult to win. Four is
probably down there impossible. So how the hell are you
even going to contemplate winning.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Four in a row?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
And I think that the science I have to play
even a bigger part in the New Zealand's future to
help create the edge. So I'm absolutely fascinated by the science.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And as if you've mentioned just the Stappen versus pereers
and obviously a fan of f as am, I is
that is that something you get a lot of inspiration
from or is it more just fantastic entertainment?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
No, you do.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I think it's more than fascination. Now because of the
emergence of the Formula one teams within the America's Cup.
I mean, well, Linge was had Red Bull help, but
it wasn't a Red Bull team as such, whereas in
theos was a Mercedes team, it was the boat was
designed and Brackney. So there's a there's a there's an
(08:37):
emergence and a real emergence.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
It's always been compared to Formula one and I've always
a sort of but now it actually is because they're
they're they're they're.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
So heavily involved.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
And again that's a question for the team New Zealand's
future in terms of the science. I mean, inos was
a kind of a weird looking boat and and and
from a purest point of view, it just didn't look
quite right, but it was actually really fast and there's
a direct correlation between our dynamics Formula one and the
(09:10):
way that boat look, which we absolutely as an organization
from a science point of you need to dig into.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
As a fan of IF One, that's probably the wrong
way to put it. In another life, would that be
a job you'd be interested in being rival with Tito
Wolf and Christian Horner.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
My look, I'm fascinated by IF One. I love it,
but my fascination is more of Motor GP because I
write motorbikes and Mark Marks is his family's biggest hero.
Having them being involved in motor gup would be something
which would be absolutely fascinating for me.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I love motor GP.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
You were mentioning getting getting on holiday with the family
and your five year old. Do you have a strap
yourself to the mast and go off sailing on your
own or is it something you want to teach teach
your son?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
No, I thought, no is the short answer, because my
day is not that I was ever.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
That good are long gone.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I mean the skill of this guy is now is
just something to a wonderment to me. So to me
now it's more just recreational and in this case, you know,
teaching teaching my son to sail and hopefully he'll sail
competitively one days. The guy that runs the Lunarosite called
(10:28):
Max Sarina and his son, he must be incredibly proud
because his son is a world champion and ultimately might end.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Up thriving the lunarossa bog in the future.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
So you know, who knows?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Who knows? If I live long enough, Have you.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Got by a bus tomorrow? What advice would you have
wanted to have left?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Leave?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Sorry, have left for your successor.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
As he sent the bus to get me or the.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Well, let's let's say that let's say it's a friendly
it's a friendly demise.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
There's the thing about succession that I and I think
I learned from my grandma. Grandfather he always said, because
he was very successful, he said he was never going
to rule from the grave. And I the answer is,
I don't. Everyone has their own style. Given Schubridges is
mentally capable, he's far more soft hands than me, and
(11:28):
his own style and you know, in the future when
that comes, he will do an amazing job.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I guess the sign of having done a good job
as a leader is that if you did disappear, then
the team would just be able to carry on sort
of seamlessly, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Oh? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And and you know, you know, I say Kevin Chubridge,
but that that that goes right down through the organization.
There's there's you know, I mean, Kevin's about his level
of perfects as I am.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yet yet we are driven by physics.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
He's got Edgewater boy, and I don't even know they're
talking at Edgewater. But the the the the scientists within
the team, you know lead them well, they don't lead themselves,
but they're their own people in terms of their own projects.
So I think the succession and the future of Team
(12:17):
New Zealand is across the whole organization. It is a
team and that is it, and that is what other
organizations have tried to replicate so many times. This culture
and this team dynamic that Team New Zealand has, it's
quite unique.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, hey, Grant, by the way, you've got a secret
spot in New Zealand you're gonna share with us where
you're going on holiday.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Well it's the boat, so nicely good spot because you
can move and no traffic, there's no road rage.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
It's we've done a batch the beach batch thing and
our sister playing as you know, so much better.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Good stuff. Hey Grant, thanks so much for your time
this morning, really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's time to get into our next feature interview. It's
been an amazing year for Team New Zealand. They made
history by winning the Louis vu Tong America's Cup thirty
seventh America's Cup after an epic final showdown in Barcelona
up against the challenger of record Inios, Britannia, in a
race that ebbed and flowed from the outset, but ultimately
saw the Kiwi's secure victory in the end in that
(00:38):
final race by thirty seven seconds, and Team New Zealand
boss Grant Dalton joins me.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Now, good morning Wonington.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Looking back on the year twenty twenty four, winning the
America's Cup obviously is the thing people must think would
be the headline, But is there another moment or two
that stands out for you as a personal highlight.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
No, I don't think so. I think that that last
race and the reception that we received when we came
in and the just the sheer feel an absolute relief
that we'd won.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
That's that.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
I mean, three times don't get any bigger than that.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
And what was it like within Barcelona stiff I watched
it on TV In terms of the feeling around the city.
How much did the America's cut permeate the city?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I mean one of the things you judged by when
you go to take an event of that to a city,
a vibrant city like Barcelona.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Is did the locals engage? Now?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
And I mean I can't answer that question definitively if
you need to ask the locals, But just to give
some perspective, we had two point five million people through
the village and in the fan zones. Two hundred and
forty five Supi yoks were in the marina, which was
this time of the year would.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Be basically empty.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
So those two point five million didn't come from other countries.
A lot of that is from within Barcelona and Catalonia.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
To be fair, of course, you're not just mounting a defense.
You put it on a regatta with the Youth America's
Cup women's events. What's the key to trying to manage
that all successfully and still win?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Well, that's exactly the right question, because that's the you know, the.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Operations and success and the patient dies.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
You know, we're not at this point here in New Zealand,
bople don't talk about the success of Barcelona. They talk
about whether we won or not, the fact that there
was very successful.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And I think the the key.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
To that is that my function is very mixed with
team and event. But the guys that are running the
team or the people that are running the event are
not mixed at all, and they're focused on their jobs.
And then look, I mean, there's so many cliches in this,
but it's getting the right people in the right positions
and motivated to do a job. And these people, I mean,
(02:59):
you know, I'm just talking to someone this morning that's
still well, we're now seven weeks since the Cup, eight
weeks since the Cup is still completely flat because of
leave such a void, because it's such a all consuming
mission to mount the defense and to run an event
like this.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Is that where you're at at the moment? Things a
bit sort of flat and away or are you just
working all hours?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Still?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
No, No, they're a little bit flat for sure. But
but getting back here summer.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
With my family.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
You know, we're going away in a few days for
Christmas holidays. That's the next lift, you know. I mean,
I think one of the One of the things about
a job like this is that you have to be
able to departmentalize these things, and otherwise it would just
basically slowly wear you.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Down if it was just to take a guess, I'm
guessing you're an active relaxer. You're not just going to
go sit on a beach somewhere. Are you going to
surprise me?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
No?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
No, no, I couldn't think of anyone else ago, nothing
about not I was going to say in a few hours,
probably about fifteen minutes. But yeah, we have a little
five years old and he's like an with a human,
you know, jumping chimpanzee, and that's just that's fantastic, you know,
teaching them, We teach him, trying to teach him to
stale over the holidays and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Do we have a faster boat all better sailors or
is a bit of both?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah, it's a bit of boat. One of the things
about Auckland twenty one is we had a significantly faster BI,
but we didn't actually sail it very well. And that
was one of the key findings and it was pretty
damn obvious, to to be fair, of the really brutal
review we did after twenty one, and the yachties this
(04:50):
time were MVP. The boat was fast, everything was well,
running really well as a team. But the YACHTI stepped
up as well and they sailed really well. B it
that I think we still had a faster boat. And
the other thing is that and no better example than
to happen in Pereaz for example. I mean they've basically
got the same car. One knows how to set it
(05:12):
up and now the one doesn't. And it's no surprise
that fast boats.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Have good yachties and good yotties have fast boats.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
So it's a completely you can't pull it two things
apart inextricably linked.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Actually on the technology front, is it something where the
technology is going to bring the competition closer and closer
and it's going to rely on the sailors more and more.
Or is there always going to be the potential with
budgets and technology and personnel to simply always have its
slight technological edge, a bit like the Red Bull versus
you know, the ass.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, and I think, but that's the fascination of the
America's Cup. You know, it's not a one design event
where everybody's got the same boat. Now that's got its
place in the world. But this is the top of
the food chain. This is the technology, you know. I'm
trying to think of an example where you've got GB
two or Formula two in Formula one.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
This is Formula.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
One where where the cars in Formula two are very
very similar, if not exactly the same. So you never
one of these questions about should it be a lot cheaper,
should you dumb it down in terms of the technology,
therefore create more teams, etc. And I am not in
that camp of dumbing it down and bringing technology back
(06:37):
more to the center. I think it should remain the
absolute clinicle of technology. And yes, someone will always have
an advantage because they will do their technology better. And
so that's how I think it should be.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Before the break, we talked about technology and always wanting
to give teams the ability, I guess to still build
an edge. I'm just curious, with all the technological advances
in carbon fibre design, the science, where does your fashion
fascination lie or has it evolved that you might be
more interested or passionate about science and technology, or is
(07:09):
it ultimately for you still getting the wind in the sails?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, I failed U University entrance physics. I've got thirty two.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, I remember it because I got a creditor back
in those days, but I didn't get a credited physics.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
My fascination other than the team dynamics, which you know
is important to me and I love, is the science.
And I think that going forward into the next Cup,
I mean, yeah, three was difficult to win. Four is
probably down there impossible. So how the hell are you
even going to contemplate winning.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Four in a row?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
And I think that the science I have to play
even a bigger part in the New Zealand's future to
help create the edge. So I'm absolutely fascinated by the science.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And as if you've mentioned just the Stappen versus pereers
and obviously a fan of f as am, I is
that is that something you get a lot of inspiration
from or is it more just fantastic entertainment?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
No, you do.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I think it's more than fascination. Now because of the
emergence of the Formula one teams within the America's Cup.
I mean, well, Linge was had Red Bull help, but
it wasn't a Red Bull team as such, whereas in
theos was a Mercedes team, it was the boat was
designed and Brackney. So there's a there's a there's an
(08:37):
emergence and a real emergence.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
It's always been compared to Formula one and I've always
a sort of but now it actually is because they're
they're they're they're.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
So heavily involved.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
And again that's a question for the team New Zealand's
future in terms of the science. I mean, inos was
a kind of a weird looking boat and and and
from a purest point of view, it just didn't look
quite right, but it was actually really fast and there's
a direct correlation between our dynamics Formula one and the
(09:10):
way that boat look, which we absolutely as an organization
from a science point of you need to dig into.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
As a fan of IF One, that's probably the wrong
way to put it. In another life, would that be
a job you'd be interested in being rival with Tito
Wolf and Christian Horner.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
My look, I'm fascinated by IF One. I love it,
but my fascination is more of Motor GP because I
write motorbikes and Mark Marks is his family's biggest hero.
Having them being involved in motor gup would be something
which would be absolutely fascinating for me.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I love motor GP.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
You were mentioning getting getting on holiday with the family
and your five year old. Do you have a strap
yourself to the mast and go off sailing on your
own or is it something you want to teach teach
your son?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
No, I thought, no is the short answer, because my
day is not that I was ever.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
That good are long gone.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I mean the skill of this guy is now is
just something to a wonderment to me. So to me
now it's more just recreational and in this case, you know,
teaching teaching my son to sail and hopefully he'll sail
competitively one days. The guy that runs the Lunarosite called
(10:28):
Max Sarina and his son, he must be incredibly proud
because his son is a world champion and ultimately might end.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Up thriving the lunarossa bog in the future.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
So you know, who knows?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Who knows? If I live long enough, Have you.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Got by a bus tomorrow? What advice would you have
wanted to have left?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Leave?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Sorry, have left for your successor.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
As he sent the bus to get me or the.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Well, let's let's say that let's say it's a friendly
it's a friendly demise.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
There's the thing about succession that I and I think
I learned from my grandma. Grandfather he always said, because
he was very successful, he said he was never going
to rule from the grave. And I the answer is,
I don't. Everyone has their own style. Given Schubridges is
mentally capable, he's far more soft hands than me, and
(11:28):
his own style and you know, in the future when
that comes, he will do an amazing job.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I guess the sign of having done a good job
as a leader is that if you did disappear, then
the team would just be able to carry on sort
of seamlessly, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Oh? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And and you know, you know, I say Kevin Chubridge,
but that that that goes right down through the organization.
There's there's you know, I mean, Kevin's about his level
of perfects as I am.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yet yet we are driven by physics.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
He's got Edgewater boy, and I don't even know they're
talking at Edgewater. But the the the the scientists within
the team, you know lead them well, they don't lead themselves,
but they're their own people in terms of their own projects.
So I think the succession and the future of Team
(12:17):
New Zealand is across the whole organization. It is a
team and that is it, and that is what other
organizations have tried to replicate so many times. This culture
and this team dynamic that Team New Zealand has, it's
quite unique.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, hey, Grant, by the way, you've got a secret
spot in New Zealand you're gonna share with us where
you're going on holiday.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Well it's the boat, so nicely good spot because you
can move and no traffic, there's no road rage.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
It's we've done a batch the beach batch thing and
our sister playing as you know, so much better.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Good stuff. Hey Grant, thanks so much for your time
this morning, really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
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