September 11, 2025 • 11 mins
We break down a list of gender norms that are outdated in 2025 and discover ones that we have already been breaking in our personal lives
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let me take you back to the year two thousand
and four. Two thousand and four, Sky and I start
doing mornings on this very radio station, rockan O five
to three. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I was in eleventh grade.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
How about that.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
You don't say that?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
That's all right right? Yeah, all right, Jamie, get out
of my ear, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I was like, where did that come from?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Does he think he's on the air when he does that? Anyway,
So two thousand and four happens, we are mornings on
rock on No. Five to three and Sky and her husband,
the Boot, make a grand decision. Now at the time,
couldn't understand it doesn't make any sense to me, but
(00:41):
it is what it is. Sky says, I am going
to be the person that goes to work. My husband
is going to be a stay at home dad. And
I said at the time, that doesn't make any sense
because you guys have no kids. How can you be
(01:01):
a stay at home dad if you don't have any kids?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Technicality?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well what's the response?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Then she said, well, we're gonna do some house stuff
where we're gonna do house flipping and fix up houses,
and so that's technically going to be his job. And
then we're going to try and have kids. Well they
struggled to have kids for quite a while and so
so that was that was part of why it took
so long, you know, for him to be out of
the workforce. But they probably flipped hundreds of houses, right.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
No, not really, No, we were.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I thought it was a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
They were the fixer uppers.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
There's a lot of time to do projects.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
We were living flippers, live in flippers.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
So was that a term yes.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, where you flip every two years because of capital gains,
so you live in the property, you flip.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It after two did you like five six seven houses?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
No, every two years, yeah, because we've be in two
thousand and six eight.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, and then and then we eventually did have said baby.
And then oh once once they start school, you should
probably no.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
More, no more.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
But when when people found out you were the bread
winner and your husband is a stay at home dad,
people would be shocked by that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Like you know, we've talked before about how my husband
is not social and has social anxiety and doesn't like
to socialize. And I think this is a huge part
of it because it started back flip. No, it started
back then because of, like Eddie said, the reaction when
people would find out that I was the bread winner
(02:38):
and he was staying home, taking care of the house,
stalking the groceries, working on projects, doing all that. People
would literally be confused and look at us like we
were aliens, and they would have so many.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Started big questions and it's like, well.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Didn't you expect that? Though, like to that now it's
a little more acceptable, but two thousand and four you
had to think, Hey, if you're going to be the
stay a home dad, I'm going to be the worker
then were we Just to be clear, we're probably going
to see some people asking us why and that's weird,
Like you had to have known that.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I've always kind of I've always been like a progressive hippie,
a hugger, you know, so like I for some reason
put that on other people and go, oh, other people
are gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
But but they don't to the point.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
We're literally it's very non traditional.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Even in twenty twenty five, there is a dad of
one of my daughter's friends who has recently found out
that her dad is a stay at home and all
he does is have questions and tell my daughter how
he's lived the life and does he know how good
he has it? And to the point where it like
makes my daughter feel weird because because this guy has
(03:53):
so many.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Times we all agree with that it's incredible.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Oh what is he working on now?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I wish I could stay home to work on that.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And it's twenty one years yeah, twenty one years yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
To the point where we recently had the talk of
he should just start telling people he's retired at this point,
because again he still has anxiety about.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
It's an easy fix. What doesn't get a job?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Even?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Sorry, sorry, he doesn't want a job, I don't want
him to have it.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
But if you feel weird about it? What get a job?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Doesn't feel I want him to have a job. He
doesn't feel weird about the life he lives. He feels
weird about people's reaction.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Why don't you want him to have a job.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
That's a weird thing.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I like having like a buddy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Like I still have a buddy, Like I like my
wife my buddy. But she has a job, I know,
but it's okay, a part time job, right, Just to
give him something to like, get out of the house,
talk to people, social socialized, something to do other than
just like, you know, I like having him there.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I like the fact that he can get so many
projects done and he oh.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You have a lot of security pleasing.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
He would make like he makes more money for us
fixing things at home than he would working at home
team and us paying somebody else to do it.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Can't you still work on home projects and have a
part you're.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That fence would take Robert he's there full time.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Took a month guy, But Emily's guy has a full
time job. We're talking about I know, but I'm just saying,
and did a full remodel.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Right, that's great for him. But we're talking about but I.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Got my point is my point is it can be done.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Of course he's done. Will it actually be done?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I mean, we we gotta, we gotta.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I don't know I would do this.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
So anyway, clearly it's still something that society is weird about.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
If this is you know, it's just it's just something
you don't see very much, and so when you see it,
it's like, wait, what.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I would own it though, if I was him, Like,
I don't think he owns He's got shame in it.
That's crazy to me if my wife was making Like
if my wife nobody gone and nobody made sure I
had a buddy. I was talking about buddy. I was
talking to my buddy the other day, and my wife
wants to be a nurse. She's going to be going
to nurses to school pretty soon, and in Norcow she
(06:09):
can make like double what she makes as a nurse
that she does here. And I'm like, and I said, yeah,
if we if I wasn't in radio, we'd be living
in Norcow and she'd be makes she'd be the breadwinner
and be easy. He goes, You're okay with that? I go, hell, yeah,
I'd be okay with that. Why wouldn't I be okay
with that?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Well, there are you know, these gender norms that we're
all used to, like what we're talking about right now,
that I guess are outdated in twenty twenty five, Is
that one of them.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
They did a recent poll and ask people what are
the top ten that are outdated? And these were the
most common answers. Number ten, that women should prioritize their
family over their career.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
That's outdated. I think that that's I don't know, I
think that's just wrong on any gender. Of course, I
don't put I don't prior prioritize my career over my
family at all. Yeah, and I'm a man. Why would
it be the same for women, Like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Know, because women are expected to men.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I understand the general thought. I just think that's it's stupid. Yeah,
any human if I say, you know what, I'm my
career means more than my family, then you got that
you got issues? No what?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Uh? Number nine gender norm that we think is now
outdated that men should be aggressive.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It depends what we do. What do we mean about aggressive?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Mean?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
You know, because I mean I don't know that ever
it is okay for men to be aggressive, But I
mean a guy being soft is like completely different.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Like say somebody's talking crap and a guy decides to
take the high road and walk away instead of give
it back. Some would have names for what kind of
guy that is, even though most people would be like
walking away.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
One of them walking away as speak up, bro, I
love Sometimes it's a mistake to.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
It's gotten It's gotten me in trouble doing stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, well you're a little extreme.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Number eight outdoor outdated gender norm is that women should
be the homemaker, so that women should stay there the kids.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Number seven that men should be unemotional. They shouldn't be
able to feel emotions and react emotionally.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
When I'm watching on Big Brother anymore. Wow, there's one
guy that cries over everything.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Talking about you. Number six that women should be soft spoken.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I wish.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I know woman I live with use a little bit
of that, okay, just has a lot.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Of feelings, right, yeah, a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Another outdated gender norm guys that men should know how
to be handy and know how to fix things.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
It's always been a struggle for me and Thor We're
just not that guy.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I mean I feel like I've gotten better at it.
I'm still you know, nowhere near like like what you
your men do well.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
My wife was like, why can't I want you to
be able to teach your son? I go, why can't
you like you? She's the handy man? Gender nor aggressive?
You know, there's this thing called YouTube. Do get frustrated easy?
I just don't want to do it.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Number four women should dress modestly.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Wearing no shorts in here or is it the bike shorts?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It's my short leggings, leggings showing a lot of legs.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Number three outdated norm is that men are the bread
winners in.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
The family, so progressive.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Number two that women should be nurturing.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
That is up like the babies, Like what do you.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I have nurture.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I remember having a girlfriend saying that she doesn't like
like she she needs personal space and she doesn't like
when people touch.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Her and that went for.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
And like and kids crawling all over her like she
couldn't handle it. And I remember hearing that going like,
oh my god, you're a bad mother. But that doesn't
make her a bad mother that you have like the
baby personal preference, you know what I mean, Like not
everybody likes to be touched, and I just because you're
a woman's issue, yeah, I don't know, But at that moment,
I'm like, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I don't like to be touched.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But when you have a kid and he's going to
be crawling on you and you're gonna be holding him,
you'll be fine. You're going to change that real quick.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Me and my mom my dad, we don't we hug
that don't like I don't even hug my parents really,
but I'm not like that with everybody you know. So
I've given you a hug once.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Sorry.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
And the number one gender norm that people say shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Once one time? Yeah for your wedding.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
The number one gender norm that has no place in
twenty twenty five is that men shouldn't cry.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
That is the same thing as the emotions.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, but just I guess on like the next lepisode
Let me take you back to the year two thousand
and four. Two thousand and four, Sky and I start
doing mornings on this very radio station, rockan O five
to three. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I was in eleventh grade.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
How about that.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
You don't say that?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
That's all right right? Yeah, all right, Jamie, get out
of my ear, Jamie.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I was like, where did that come from?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Does he think he's on the air when he does that? Anyway,
So two thousand and four happens, we are mornings on
rock on No. Five to three and Sky and her husband,
the Boot, make a grand decision. Now at the time,
couldn't understand it doesn't make any sense to me, but
(00:41):
it is what it is. Sky says, I am going
to be the person that goes to work. My husband
is going to be a stay at home dad. And
I said at the time, that doesn't make any sense
because you guys have no kids. How can you be
(01:01):
a stay at home dad if you don't have any kids?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Technicality?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well what's the response?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Then she said, well, we're gonna do some house stuff
where we're gonna do house flipping and fix up houses,
and so that's technically going to be his job. And
then we're going to try and have kids. Well they
struggled to have kids for quite a while and so
so that was that was part of why it took
so long, you know, for him to be out of
the workforce. But they probably flipped hundreds of houses, right.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
No, not really, No, we were.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I thought it was a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
They were the fixer uppers.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
There's a lot of time to do projects.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
We were living flippers, live in flippers.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
So was that a term yes.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, where you flip every two years because of capital gains,
so you live in the property, you flip.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It after two did you like five six seven houses?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
No, every two years, yeah, because we've be in two
thousand and six eight.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, and then and then we eventually did have said baby.
And then oh once once they start school, you should
probably no.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
More, no more.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
But when when people found out you were the bread
winner and your husband is a stay at home dad,
people would be shocked by that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Like you know, we've talked before about how my husband
is not social and has social anxiety and doesn't like
to socialize. And I think this is a huge part
of it because it started back flip. No, it started
back then because of, like Eddie said, the reaction when
people would find out that I was the bread winner
(02:38):
and he was staying home, taking care of the house,
stalking the groceries, working on projects, doing all that. People
would literally be confused and look at us like we
were aliens, and they would have so many.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Started big questions and it's like, well.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Didn't you expect that? Though, like to that now it's
a little more acceptable, but two thousand and four you
had to think, Hey, if you're going to be the
stay a home dad, I'm going to be the worker
then were we Just to be clear, we're probably going
to see some people asking us why and that's weird,
Like you had to have known that.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I've always kind of I've always been like a progressive hippie,
a hugger, you know, so like I for some reason
put that on other people and go, oh, other people
are gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
But but they don't to the point.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
We're literally it's very non traditional.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Even in twenty twenty five, there is a dad of
one of my daughter's friends who has recently found out
that her dad is a stay at home and all
he does is have questions and tell my daughter how
he's lived the life and does he know how good
he has it? And to the point where it like
makes my daughter feel weird because because this guy has
(03:53):
so many.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Times we all agree with that it's incredible.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Oh what is he working on now?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I wish I could stay home to work on that.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And it's twenty one years yeah, twenty one years yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
To the point where we recently had the talk of
he should just start telling people he's retired at this point,
because again he still has anxiety about.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
It's an easy fix. What doesn't get a job?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Even?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Sorry, sorry, he doesn't want a job, I don't want
him to have it.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
But if you feel weird about it? What get a job?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Doesn't feel I want him to have a job. He
doesn't feel weird about the life he lives. He feels
weird about people's reaction.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Why don't you want him to have a job.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
That's a weird thing.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I like having like a buddy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Like I still have a buddy, Like I like my
wife my buddy. But she has a job, I know,
but it's okay, a part time job, right, Just to
give him something to like, get out of the house,
talk to people, social socialized, something to do other than
just like, you know, I like having him there.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I like the fact that he can get so many
projects done and he oh.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You have a lot of security pleasing.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
He would make like he makes more money for us
fixing things at home than he would working at home
team and us paying somebody else to do it.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Can't you still work on home projects and have a
part you're.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That fence would take Robert he's there full time.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Took a month guy, But Emily's guy has a full
time job. We're talking about I know, but I'm just saying,
and did a full remodel.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Right, that's great for him. But we're talking about but I.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Got my point is my point is it can be done.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Of course he's done. Will it actually be done?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I mean, we we gotta, we gotta.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I don't know I would do this.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
So anyway, clearly it's still something that society is weird about.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
If this is you know, it's just it's just something
you don't see very much, and so when you see it,
it's like, wait, what.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I would own it though, if I was him, Like,
I don't think he owns He's got shame in it.
That's crazy to me if my wife was making Like
if my wife nobody gone and nobody made sure I
had a buddy. I was talking about buddy. I was
talking to my buddy the other day, and my wife
wants to be a nurse. She's going to be going
to nurses to school pretty soon, and in Norcow she
(06:09):
can make like double what she makes as a nurse
that she does here. And I'm like, and I said, yeah,
if we if I wasn't in radio, we'd be living
in Norcow and she'd be makes she'd be the breadwinner
and be easy. He goes, You're okay with that? I go, hell, yeah,
I'd be okay with that. Why wouldn't I be okay
with that?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Well, there are you know, these gender norms that we're
all used to, like what we're talking about right now,
that I guess are outdated in twenty twenty five, Is
that one of them.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
They did a recent poll and ask people what are
the top ten that are outdated? And these were the
most common answers. Number ten, that women should prioritize their
family over their career.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
That's outdated. I think that that's I don't know, I
think that's just wrong on any gender. Of course, I
don't put I don't prior prioritize my career over my
family at all. Yeah, and I'm a man. Why would
it be the same for women, Like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Know, because women are expected to men.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I understand the general thought. I just think that's it's stupid. Yeah,
any human if I say, you know what, I'm my
career means more than my family, then you got that
you got issues? No what?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Uh? Number nine gender norm that we think is now
outdated that men should be aggressive.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It depends what we do. What do we mean about aggressive?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Mean?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
You know, because I mean I don't know that ever
it is okay for men to be aggressive, But I
mean a guy being soft is like completely different.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Like say somebody's talking crap and a guy decides to
take the high road and walk away instead of give
it back. Some would have names for what kind of
guy that is, even though most people would be like
walking away.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
One of them walking away as speak up, bro, I
love Sometimes it's a mistake to.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
It's gotten It's gotten me in trouble doing stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, well you're a little extreme.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Number eight outdoor outdated gender norm is that women should
be the homemaker, so that women should stay there the kids.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Number seven that men should be unemotional. They shouldn't be
able to feel emotions and react emotionally.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
When I'm watching on Big Brother anymore. Wow, there's one
guy that cries over everything.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Talking about you. Number six that women should be soft spoken.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I wish.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I know woman I live with use a little bit
of that, okay, just has a lot.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Of feelings, right, yeah, a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Another outdated gender norm guys that men should know how
to be handy and know how to fix things.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
It's always been a struggle for me and Thor We're
just not that guy.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I mean I feel like I've gotten better at it.
I'm still you know, nowhere near like like what you
your men do well.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
My wife was like, why can't I want you to
be able to teach your son? I go, why can't
you like you? She's the handy man? Gender nor aggressive?
You know, there's this thing called YouTube. Do get frustrated easy?
I just don't want to do it.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Number four women should dress modestly.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Wearing no shorts in here or is it the bike shorts?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It's my short leggings, leggings showing a lot of legs.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Number three outdated norm is that men are the bread
winners in.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
The family, so progressive.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Number two that women should be nurturing.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
That is up like the babies, Like what do you.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I have nurture.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I remember having a girlfriend saying that she doesn't like
like she she needs personal space and she doesn't like
when people touch.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Her and that went for.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
And like and kids crawling all over her like she
couldn't handle it. And I remember hearing that going like,
oh my god, you're a bad mother. But that doesn't
make her a bad mother that you have like the
baby personal preference, you know what I mean, Like not
everybody likes to be touched, and I just because you're
a woman's issue, yeah, I don't know, But at that moment,
I'm like, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I don't like to be touched.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But when you have a kid and he's going to
be crawling on you and you're gonna be holding him,
you'll be fine. You're going to change that real quick.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Me and my mom my dad, we don't we hug
that don't like I don't even hug my parents really,
but I'm not like that with everybody you know. So
I've given you a hug once.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Sorry.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
And the number one gender norm that people say shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Once one time? Yeah for your wedding.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
The number one gender norm that has no place in
twenty twenty five is that men shouldn't cry.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
That is the same thing as the emotions.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, but just I guess on like the next lepisode
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