August 5, 2025 • 17 mins
If you kept up with the Diddy Trials, you would know about the male escort known as The Punisher who testified. Today we had him on The Show and talked about his experience
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So I think the world was pretty fascinated and locked
into the Diddy trial. It was It took over the
news cycle. It was massive. When the verdict came in,
people were watching it, like I mean, it was like
the oj trial. It was crazy. There was cheers, there
(00:20):
was booze, it was insane.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
There was insane front putting baby oil on themselves in
front of that happen really did do in America.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, people were invested, and that does include Door. Door
was pretty locked into the Diddy trial. You were following it, uh,
you know, you were pretty surprised.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Everything that happened to Biggie and all the Diddy songs
with New Yorker and then I loved making the band
and all that stuff. He made a walk for cheesecake
to Brooklyn from Manhattan, like it was crazy challenge when
Diddy ran the New York City Marathon, like yeah, and
then fifty cent is insane on Instagram posting about Diddy,
so all of it.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, so we knew, you know that there was a
lot of you know, wild stuff with Diddy. It wasn't though,
until he finally got busted and we started hearing all
these crazy, you know, freak off parties and all these
crazy things that were going on that I think that
also fascinated America. And so if you were watching the
Ditty trial, there was a person that did testify that
(01:24):
I think America was pretty fascinated with. They were pretty
surprised and hearing, you know, his testimony was pretty interesting.
And he is joining us right now. He's a former
exotic dancer at Escort. His name is Share Hayes aka
The Punisher. The Punisher joins the show this morning. How's
(01:44):
it going, shrey Ah.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Man, Good morning, man, Thank you for having me. I
appreciate being absolutely man.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You know, there's a million things I could be asking
you about. I'm fascinated that you've written a book. I
think that's wild and amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, I'll get into that in just a second, but
I mean, first things first, how did you ever get
involved in the whole Diddy situation from the get go?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
So you know, at the time, I was just doing
the mail stripping business and we would get just random
calls for ladies playing bachelrette parties and birthday parties that
were one entertainment. So I just picked up the phone
on a Saturday night and it was scheduled as if
it was going to just be a regular birthday party.
(02:31):
At the time, Cassie Ventur was disguising herself as a
woman named Janet instead. It was her birthday and she
wanted to hire entertainment for some friends. And obviously when
I showed up, it was a completely different story.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Was this at a hotel room or was this out
of the house.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
No, this was actually booked at the Trump International Hotel
right on Central Park in New York City.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So you show up, you're thinking this is just going
to be a wild party. You've probably done a bunch
of these. And when you walk in the door, what
did you see?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
A man? First? First of all, she answered the door
and in a lobe somewhat open, and you can tell
she was nude. So soon as she opened the door,
I knew this was going to be a different that's
going to be on Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And once
we got in there was a big suite and the
living room area. Obviously there was no guests, that was
the whole The room seems clearly empty, but it was
(03:27):
weird because there was furniture all covered in sheets and
dimly lit to candles with bottles of baby all positioned
all around the furniture.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Oh wow. And at that point, is it still just
Cassie or do you at any point then see another
person in the room.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah, so it's explained to me at that point it's
just Cassie. It is explained to me that I'm not
gonna dance. I'm not going to perform or do anything
like that, but we're going to create this sexy scene
with me putting baby olver myself putting it on her.
We're doing this mutual massage and at some point her husband,
which was said to me at the time, ye would
(04:08):
come into the room and watch from a distance.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Now you being you know you're doing exog dancing here,
but you've been an escort before. At this point, are
you freaked out or are you like all right, cool
business as usual?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I am. I am freaked out. Like I take the
title as escort because it's just a part of the
male dancing business.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Like.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
But it's usually a scenario where a woman calls up
and says, hey, do you do one on one shows?
We do massages, and that usually means a woman who's
hiring the dancers interested in the possibility of more. Okay,
and I would take on those opportunities. This scenario with
a husband watching and clearly in the room during the
(04:51):
scenario was the first one. So I was definitely a
little freaked out.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, so as the night progresses in you you are
going to do this. At what point do you see Diddy?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
It's very early on. So I go in the bathroom.
He instructed me to even come out in underwear or
a towel. I told a towel. We sat on the
couches and we started the process. Now, one thing was
also explained to me was the rule was I was
not supposed to look at him, acknowledge him, speak to
him in any way, do my best to act like
he's not in the room. Wow. Yeah, So when he
(05:29):
did walk in, it was I could only kind of
like see him through like a peripheral vision type of scenarios,
and it was even more difficult, you.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Know, absolutely, And at what point did you ever realize, Oh, man,
is that is that Diddy?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
So I'm embarrassed by this, but literally this situation went
on two and a half years, and it took me
me almost half the time, well over a year into it,
to realize it was him. It was because he would, Yeah,
because he would. He would come out disguise, like he
would wear a burker, like the veils that the women wear.
(06:13):
We see their eyes. Yeah, which which that made the
optic really crazy because he's he's completely negked.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But with oh wait he's naked. I thought he liked him.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh okay, but the face is covered. He's fully naked.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Okay, it's naked and and and self pleasuring.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Oh okay, yeah obviously, well yeah, what else are you
gonna do?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Now?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
The longer this went on, the longer the session's got, right,
So what was the longest session you can remember?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
So there was time. There was one time where I
know I was there maybe six seven hours.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
That's quite as I would love that.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Are you having like sex the whole time or is
that just like we're.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Just multiple times or are you in pain?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah? Well, the dynamic is to create the scene. So
the scene can be not just actual sexual activity, but
it is the oil play, the ambiance, the whole vibe
that you try to create. So that would be prolonged
(07:30):
as long as possible and just whatever, like there was
subtle directions given, right, there were directions. It was kind
of like you were directing the scene as it went along.
So it was just kind of trying to follow suit
and keep this vibe. It was always in the wee
hours of the night. For some reason, I don't know why,
the wee hours of the night, it seems to go faster.
(07:53):
Then it's like time slides when you're having fun, and
you know that allows fifteen minutes that work takes an
hour and a half of those scenarios. Yeah, this kind
of flew by.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Wow, we're talking toys aka the punisher from the did
He trial? Uh, Now, you were always involved in these
you know, one on one kind of one on one,
one on two situations or whatever. Did you ever get
the invite to one of these crazy parties that we've
been hearing about.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
No, actually I didn't. And then, you know, I think
were the course of this case. I've been in touch
with other guys that considered that the male escorts that
also participated, and none of us had been invited to
one of these open public parties. And I think it
makes sense because this is something that he's trying to
do extremely discreetly, right, the idea of been mixing us
(08:47):
in in a public form with guests and other celebrities.
It probably gave him too much exposure.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, Now when the trial happens and you obviously you
hear that did he gets busted and you hear all
these you know, crazy things that are going on, and
the trial starts and you get called. Were you surprised
that they found you and were you surprised that you
were one of the witnesses.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I was completely surprised. First of all, they didn't call me.
They just showed up to my building. Oh so I
just yeah, I just got a call from my front
desk like, hey, you have visitors, And I showed it
up and there was a couple of FBI agents, which
is something you really just see a movie. You said,
that issue itself. But then because I did not see
(09:33):
any violence, right or even in terms of the sex trafficking.
At the time, I lived in New York City and
only saw them in New York City. But I was
going to be insignificant to their case, so I kind
of answered the questions and never expected to be called back.
So I was really shocked when they decided to put
me in the trial because to this day, I'm not
(09:54):
really sure how my testimony helped.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Oh wow, Okay, Now, I sometimes have weird thoughts. So
all I'm thinking and wanting to know is when everybody
is super baby oiled up and you're trying to be
sexy and professional, did anything like I would envision myself.
I would slip, I would drop or like break something.
Did any moment like that ever happen?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Well, luckily in in the sofa area whatever it would
carpet is And again I told you, everything is covered
in sheets and towels, so I would slip, cracks, nice
traction on the on the ground, the casualties or any
(10:39):
any any misshap So.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Okay, good good.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Now, Also, now you testified against Diddy? Could you take
me back to the courtroom and like what because we didn't.
There's no camera in there. There's a federal case. So
what was the tension in the courtroom with Diddy? Was
he staring at you? Are you nervous at all that
when he gets out of jail because he was found not.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Guilty, soul, Listen the tension in the court room, I add,
almost like the full anxiety attack. I was not prepared
for my body by the time I got to the stand,
and my body was trembling. I'm even losing my voice
now just explaining it so you can tell it was
a traumatic scenario, no doubt. That's what exactly started on
(11:18):
the trial. And to be honest with you, man, I
completely avoided eye contact with them through my entire testimony
because I did understand that there was an intimidation factor,
and that was intimidated, you know. But you're stuck in
almost an impossible scenario because you have him on one
(11:40):
side with all these rumors of him possibly like a
mafia gangster, and you could be at risk. But on
the other side, I have the federal government. Yeah, that's
been a different type of pressure on you to give
the facts, tell the story, and create their case, and
(12:00):
it's like an impossible situation to be Hence, but I
avoided the eye contact the whole time. But by the
end of it, I was comfortable with the fact that
I told the truth based on the duty. And then
I'm forced to be here, right, I'm not here on
my own. Hey, I want to be a part of this.
So leaving the courtroom, I did catch eye contact. There
(12:21):
was no menacing stare or anything crazy kind of just
looked at me, I looked at him. I nodded. He nodded,
and it was kind of like a casual, like nothing
that I would walk away leaving that, Hey, I'm in fear.
But there's always a part of you to say if
there's some sort of negative feelings attention for me testifying
(12:41):
that you never know. Man, so I do have a
sense of worry that everything's okay.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Were you surprised by the verdict?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I wasn't okay. Wow. I think if you was somebody
following the case all the way through, you noticed that
most of the people who went on understand when they
were when they were to prosecute the witness, you're like, oh, man,
this guy's terrible. You know, he's definitely going to jail.
And then when they would get costs examined, you would
(13:15):
see there was so many hoes and inconsistencies that could
make you question most everybody's credibility. I thought, actually it
was a possibility he would the verdict would be what
it was, because it seems like everything was incentivized. You know,
there was some gain from almost every witness that they
(13:36):
profited from painting this picture, you know, up pending civil suit,
you know, but that's in their where he's a monster.
I'm scared for my life. He tried to kill me,
but I contacted him a year later because I wanted
my job back. And you know, like, you know, you
don't contact somebody year later for your job back if
they tried to kill you or if you think they're
(13:57):
going to kill you, you know. So it's just a
lot of tradictions that me following along after the fact
that I wasn't surprised.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
What a wild story. Well, you've written a book. Now,
this isn't about the diddy stuff, right, and this is
something separate. It's called in Search of freezer Meat. Explain
to me what the book is about.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Okay, So the book is a men's self help book,
me being an exaggon dancer and the escort. As I
started the age, I went through the tragedy that most
men do, and you start to develop some degrees of
rectile dysunction. Now and my line of words, a rectiuse
dysfunction is like a singer in his voice, like you
(14:40):
can't have one without the other. Right. So I went
on this ten year quest like listen, I have to
solve this thing. I have to fix this thing. And
I tried Harry pill RRUP, snake all powder from India, Freakingstein,
electric shock treatment, everything that you can try and help,
(15:02):
but Baby Old did not help, ultimately ultimately leading to
me doing the grandest of fixes, which is an implant.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
So what I noticed going through all of this was
it wasn't just a physical problem. There was a ton
of mental issues and it affected my sense of self,
my confidence as a man, my value, and a whole
bunch of things that men go through that there's no
resource for us to understand the problem, fix the problem,
(15:37):
and then truly know what our remedies are, why they work,
why they're not working, and some sort of just this
guide to walk us through this because it's a shameful conversation.
Nobody wants to have this conversation with anybody, you know.
So I basically wrote the book that I would have
(15:58):
needed during this period, and I couple it with some
really hilarious funny stories about my life, my chronical how
certain situations in my life led to the erectile dysfunction
and sexual pressure, the performance anxiety and all these things
that men don't even realize is what's creating it. You know,
(16:21):
fifty percent of the Indian cases are all mental. In
my case, there was nothing wrong with me. I just
I just over time, just psyched myself out. We have
this long, this big movement of a bunch of men
trying to create their mental issues with a physical fix. Hey,
(16:41):
just Papa pills, just pills out of fix it for you.
But then when it's mental, the pill is not going
to work because of the anxiety based. So you got
men with the pill not working saying what that said.
I had my run, my time on top of the mountain.
You're kind of like parking yourself in this this that's
been sexless life where you just think this is what
(17:05):
it's supposed to be for me. And the book is
to motivate men, teach men how to fix it, how
I fixed it, what's going on with your mind? And
get your freeze of meat back the.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Good stuff man, he is the punisher. Charre Hayes, thank
you so much for your time this morning. And what
a wild story man.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, man, thanks for having me and yes, everybody in
search the freeze of Me Fellas pick it up. I
guarantee you won't be disappointed. There a good read and
a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Awesome thanks man, appreciate your time this morning. There you go, wow, wild,
So I think the world was pretty fascinated and locked
into the Diddy trial. It was It took over the
news cycle. It was massive. When the verdict came in,
people were watching it, like I mean, it was like
the oj trial. It was crazy. There was cheers, there
(00:20):
was booze, it was insane.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
There was insane front putting baby oil on themselves in
front of that happen really did do in America.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, people were invested, and that does include Door. Door
was pretty locked into the Diddy trial. You were following it, uh,
you know, you were pretty surprised.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Everything that happened to Biggie and all the Diddy songs
with New Yorker and then I loved making the band
and all that stuff. He made a walk for cheesecake
to Brooklyn from Manhattan, like it was crazy challenge when
Diddy ran the New York City Marathon, like yeah, and
then fifty cent is insane on Instagram posting about Diddy,
so all of it.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, so we knew, you know that there was a
lot of you know, wild stuff with Diddy. It wasn't though,
until he finally got busted and we started hearing all
these crazy, you know, freak off parties and all these
crazy things that were going on that I think that
also fascinated America. And so if you were watching the
Ditty trial, there was a person that did testify that
(01:24):
I think America was pretty fascinated with. They were pretty
surprised and hearing, you know, his testimony was pretty interesting.
And he is joining us right now. He's a former
exotic dancer at Escort. His name is Share Hayes aka
The Punisher. The Punisher joins the show this morning. How's
(01:44):
it going, shrey Ah.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Man, Good morning, man, Thank you for having me. I
appreciate being absolutely man.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You know, there's a million things I could be asking
you about. I'm fascinated that you've written a book. I
think that's wild and amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, I'll get into that in just a second, but
I mean, first things first, how did you ever get
involved in the whole Diddy situation from the get go?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
So you know, at the time, I was just doing
the mail stripping business and we would get just random
calls for ladies playing bachelrette parties and birthday parties that
were one entertainment. So I just picked up the phone
on a Saturday night and it was scheduled as if
it was going to just be a regular birthday party.
(02:31):
At the time, Cassie Ventur was disguising herself as a
woman named Janet instead. It was her birthday and she
wanted to hire entertainment for some friends. And obviously when
I showed up, it was a completely different story.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Was this at a hotel room or was this out
of the house.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
No, this was actually booked at the Trump International Hotel
right on Central Park in New York City.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So you show up, you're thinking this is just going
to be a wild party. You've probably done a bunch
of these. And when you walk in the door, what
did you see?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
A man? First? First of all, she answered the door
and in a lobe somewhat open, and you can tell
she was nude. So soon as she opened the door,
I knew this was going to be a different that's
going to be on Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And once
we got in there was a big suite and the
living room area. Obviously there was no guests, that was
the whole The room seems clearly empty, but it was
(03:27):
weird because there was furniture all covered in sheets and
dimly lit to candles with bottles of baby all positioned
all around the furniture.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Oh wow. And at that point, is it still just
Cassie or do you at any point then see another
person in the room.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah, so it's explained to me at that point it's
just Cassie. It is explained to me that I'm not
gonna dance. I'm not going to perform or do anything
like that, but we're going to create this sexy scene
with me putting baby olver myself putting it on her.
We're doing this mutual massage and at some point her husband,
which was said to me at the time, ye would
(04:08):
come into the room and watch from a distance.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Now you being you know you're doing exog dancing here,
but you've been an escort before. At this point, are
you freaked out or are you like all right, cool
business as usual?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I am. I am freaked out. Like I take the
title as escort because it's just a part of the
male dancing business.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Like.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
But it's usually a scenario where a woman calls up
and says, hey, do you do one on one shows?
We do massages, and that usually means a woman who's
hiring the dancers interested in the possibility of more. Okay,
and I would take on those opportunities. This scenario with
a husband watching and clearly in the room during the
(04:51):
scenario was the first one. So I was definitely a
little freaked out.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, so as the night progresses in you you are
going to do this. At what point do you see Diddy?
Speaker 4 (05:05):
It's very early on. So I go in the bathroom.
He instructed me to even come out in underwear or
a towel. I told a towel. We sat on the
couches and we started the process. Now, one thing was
also explained to me was the rule was I was
not supposed to look at him, acknowledge him, speak to
him in any way, do my best to act like
he's not in the room. Wow. Yeah, So when he
(05:29):
did walk in, it was I could only kind of
like see him through like a peripheral vision type of scenarios,
and it was even more difficult, you.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Know, absolutely, And at what point did you ever realize, Oh, man,
is that is that Diddy?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
So I'm embarrassed by this, but literally this situation went
on two and a half years, and it took me
me almost half the time, well over a year into it,
to realize it was him. It was because he would, Yeah,
because he would. He would come out disguise, like he
would wear a burker, like the veils that the women wear.
(06:13):
We see their eyes. Yeah, which which that made the
optic really crazy because he's he's completely negked.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But with oh wait he's naked. I thought he liked him.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh okay, but the face is covered. He's fully naked.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Okay, it's naked and and and self pleasuring.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Oh okay, yeah obviously, well yeah, what else are you
gonna do?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Now?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
The longer this went on, the longer the session's got, right,
So what was the longest session you can remember?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
So there was time. There was one time where I
know I was there maybe six seven hours.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
That's quite as I would love that.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Are you having like sex the whole time or is
that just like we're.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Just multiple times or are you in pain?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah? Well, the dynamic is to create the scene. So
the scene can be not just actual sexual activity, but
it is the oil play, the ambiance, the whole vibe
that you try to create. So that would be prolonged
(07:30):
as long as possible and just whatever, like there was
subtle directions given, right, there were directions. It was kind
of like you were directing the scene as it went along.
So it was just kind of trying to follow suit
and keep this vibe. It was always in the wee
hours of the night. For some reason, I don't know why,
the wee hours of the night, it seems to go faster.
(07:53):
Then it's like time slides when you're having fun, and
you know that allows fifteen minutes that work takes an
hour and a half of those scenarios. Yeah, this kind
of flew by.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Wow, we're talking toys aka the punisher from the did
He trial? Uh, Now, you were always involved in these
you know, one on one kind of one on one,
one on two situations or whatever. Did you ever get
the invite to one of these crazy parties that we've
been hearing about.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
No, actually I didn't. And then, you know, I think
were the course of this case. I've been in touch
with other guys that considered that the male escorts that
also participated, and none of us had been invited to
one of these open public parties. And I think it
makes sense because this is something that he's trying to
do extremely discreetly, right, the idea of been mixing us
(08:47):
in in a public form with guests and other celebrities.
It probably gave him too much exposure.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, Now when the trial happens and you obviously you
hear that did he gets busted and you hear all
these you know, crazy things that are going on, and
the trial starts and you get called. Were you surprised
that they found you and were you surprised that you
were one of the witnesses.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I was completely surprised. First of all, they didn't call me.
They just showed up to my building. Oh so I
just yeah, I just got a call from my front
desk like, hey, you have visitors, And I showed it
up and there was a couple of FBI agents, which
is something you really just see a movie. You said,
that issue itself. But then because I did not see
(09:33):
any violence, right or even in terms of the sex trafficking.
At the time, I lived in New York City and
only saw them in New York City. But I was
going to be insignificant to their case, so I kind
of answered the questions and never expected to be called back.
So I was really shocked when they decided to put
me in the trial because to this day, I'm not
(09:54):
really sure how my testimony helped.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Oh wow, Okay, Now, I sometimes have weird thoughts. So
all I'm thinking and wanting to know is when everybody
is super baby oiled up and you're trying to be
sexy and professional, did anything like I would envision myself.
I would slip, I would drop or like break something.
Did any moment like that ever happen?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Well, luckily in in the sofa area whatever it would
carpet is And again I told you, everything is covered
in sheets and towels, so I would slip, cracks, nice
traction on the on the ground, the casualties or any
(10:39):
any any misshap So.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Okay, good good.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Now, Also, now you testified against Diddy? Could you take
me back to the courtroom and like what because we didn't.
There's no camera in there. There's a federal case. So
what was the tension in the courtroom with Diddy? Was
he staring at you? Are you nervous at all that
when he gets out of jail because he was found not.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Guilty, soul, Listen the tension in the court room, I add,
almost like the full anxiety attack. I was not prepared
for my body by the time I got to the stand,
and my body was trembling. I'm even losing my voice
now just explaining it so you can tell it was
a traumatic scenario, no doubt. That's what exactly started on
(11:18):
the trial. And to be honest with you, man, I
completely avoided eye contact with them through my entire testimony
because I did understand that there was an intimidation factor,
and that was intimidated, you know. But you're stuck in
almost an impossible scenario because you have him on one
(11:40):
side with all these rumors of him possibly like a
mafia gangster, and you could be at risk. But on
the other side, I have the federal government. Yeah, that's
been a different type of pressure on you to give
the facts, tell the story, and create their case, and
(12:00):
it's like an impossible situation to be Hence, but I
avoided the eye contact the whole time. But by the
end of it, I was comfortable with the fact that
I told the truth based on the duty. And then
I'm forced to be here, right, I'm not here on
my own. Hey, I want to be a part of this.
So leaving the courtroom, I did catch eye contact. There
(12:21):
was no menacing stare or anything crazy kind of just
looked at me, I looked at him. I nodded. He nodded,
and it was kind of like a casual, like nothing
that I would walk away leaving that, Hey, I'm in fear.
But there's always a part of you to say if
there's some sort of negative feelings attention for me testifying
(12:41):
that you never know. Man, so I do have a
sense of worry that everything's okay.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Were you surprised by the verdict?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I wasn't okay. Wow. I think if you was somebody
following the case all the way through, you noticed that
most of the people who went on understand when they
were when they were to prosecute the witness, you're like, oh, man,
this guy's terrible. You know, he's definitely going to jail.
And then when they would get costs examined, you would
(13:15):
see there was so many hoes and inconsistencies that could
make you question most everybody's credibility. I thought, actually it
was a possibility he would the verdict would be what
it was, because it seems like everything was incentivized. You know,
there was some gain from almost every witness that they
(13:36):
profited from painting this picture, you know, up pending civil suit,
you know, but that's in their where he's a monster.
I'm scared for my life. He tried to kill me,
but I contacted him a year later because I wanted
my job back. And you know, like, you know, you
don't contact somebody year later for your job back if
they tried to kill you or if you think they're
(13:57):
going to kill you, you know. So it's just a
lot of tradictions that me following along after the fact
that I wasn't surprised.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
What a wild story. Well, you've written a book. Now,
this isn't about the diddy stuff, right, and this is
something separate. It's called in Search of freezer Meat. Explain
to me what the book is about.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Okay, So the book is a men's self help book,
me being an exaggon dancer and the escort. As I
started the age, I went through the tragedy that most
men do, and you start to develop some degrees of
rectile dysunction. Now and my line of words, a rectiuse
dysfunction is like a singer in his voice, like you
(14:40):
can't have one without the other. Right. So I went
on this ten year quest like listen, I have to
solve this thing. I have to fix this thing. And
I tried Harry pill RRUP, snake all powder from India, Freakingstein,
electric shock treatment, everything that you can try and help,
(15:02):
but Baby Old did not help, ultimately ultimately leading to
me doing the grandest of fixes, which is an implant.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
So what I noticed going through all of this was
it wasn't just a physical problem. There was a ton
of mental issues and it affected my sense of self,
my confidence as a man, my value, and a whole
bunch of things that men go through that there's no
resource for us to understand the problem, fix the problem,
(15:37):
and then truly know what our remedies are, why they work,
why they're not working, and some sort of just this
guide to walk us through this because it's a shameful conversation.
Nobody wants to have this conversation with anybody, you know.
So I basically wrote the book that I would have
(15:58):
needed during this period, and I couple it with some
really hilarious funny stories about my life, my chronical how
certain situations in my life led to the erectile dysfunction
and sexual pressure, the performance anxiety and all these things
that men don't even realize is what's creating it. You know,
(16:21):
fifty percent of the Indian cases are all mental. In
my case, there was nothing wrong with me. I just
I just over time, just psyched myself out. We have
this long, this big movement of a bunch of men
trying to create their mental issues with a physical fix. Hey,
(16:41):
just Papa pills, just pills out of fix it for you.
But then when it's mental, the pill is not going
to work because of the anxiety based. So you got
men with the pill not working saying what that said.
I had my run, my time on top of the mountain.
You're kind of like parking yourself in this this that's
been sexless life where you just think this is what
(17:05):
it's supposed to be for me. And the book is
to motivate men, teach men how to fix it, how
I fixed it, what's going on with your mind? And
get your freeze of meat back the.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Good stuff man, he is the punisher. Charre Hayes, thank
you so much for your time this morning. And what
a wild story man.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, man, thanks for having me and yes, everybody in
search the freeze of Me Fellas pick it up. I
guarantee you won't be disappointed. There a good read and
a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Awesome thanks man, appreciate your time this morning. There you go, wow, wild,
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