Aaron Cayce, owner of Phoenix Weaponry in Berthoud is hosting a machine gun shoot along with Neil Schall of the VFW and both join Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams to preview the event.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to the Dankplas Show with well kind of
Sheriff Steve Reims setting in today. It's an hour two
and it's a pleasure to be here with you guys.
Hopefully you were listening in on that last segment when
we had Dudley Brown on with the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners,
and you know, a lot of people will criticize those
guys from time to time, saying that they're, you know,
they're a little too hard line. I have to tell you,
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if you care about the Second Amendment at all, they're
one of the few groups in this state that really
does activate you know, I've worked with the Rocky Mountain
gun Owners quite a few times over the years. It's
unfortunate that that's had to happen. You'd like to just
have a government that doesn't try to infringe on your
Second Amendment rights, but that's not what we have here
in the state of Colorado. I can tell you I've
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I've worked with some of the other gun groups as well,
but none more so than the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners
because they're right here and they're involved in the fight. Again,
sometimes the tactics may be a little uh rough for
some some folks, but that's how that's how you move
the needle in a lot of a lot of these arguments.
So if you were listening that last segment, you probably
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have an opinion on you know, if RMGO is doing
this the right way or if they're if they're a
little too rough around the edges. You're welcome to call
in and let us know what you think. You can
call in it three h three seven one three eight
two five five, or you can text in it five
seven seven three nine. And you know, what we were really
talking about were the effects of Senate Bill three on
the state of Colorado and just how that bill kind
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of made its way through the legislature and onto Polus's desk.
Of course, we all believed he was going to sign it,
and he did, and now we have this, uh it's
really bad legislation that we're trying to figure out how
to navigate. And I hint it to this in the
last segment, that there's a one particular county that has
announced that they're just not going to interact with this bill.
They're just they're saying, we're a Second Amendment sanctuary county
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and we're not going to wreck recognize Senate Bill three.
That's Bent County, Colorado. Well, I happen to know the
sheriff down in Bent County. His name is Jake six.
So I gave him a call over the weekend and said, Jake,
explain to me what this looks like. And I actually
invited him to come on the show today. But Jake's
a busy guy, just like most sheriffs, and he didn't
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have time to get on the show or didn't get
back with me in time. So i'll paraphrase what he said.
He basically said, we don't have a gun store in
Bent County, so we don't have a need to worry
about Senate Bill three. So his constituents, if they're going
to go buy a gun, they're going to have to
do so on another county. And I guess the thought
process for Bent County is, well, they can go get
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that permit in another county because the bill does not
prevent that from what I've read. So if you live
in Bent County, but you're going to go buy a gun,
and say Pueblo County, then you could go to the
Pueblo County sheriff and apply for that card so that
you can take a class so that you can go
buy a gun and start the process. And so Bent
County's way is just saying we're not going to do it.
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I don't know what that'll look like when it actually
starts playing out, but you know, time will tell. I
guess in Weld County we do have a lot of
gun shops like in many of the other Front Range counties,
and I don't think that's the stance that Weld County
can take now. I will say, I think if every
sheriff in the state of Colorado just said no, we're
not going to do this, there might be some some
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strength there. But I don't think you'll ever get sixty
four sheriffs to agree to do anything exactly the same.
So we're right back where we started again. You can
text in the five seven seven three nine start your
text with Dan, or you can call in it three
O three seven one three eight two five five, and
you know, there's always those hot topics that really get
the text coming in or get people fired up. You
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talk about guns, that's kind of a natural one. So
we've got a few texts here that I'll get to.
But who knows motorcycles. It's kind of going back and
forth between whether you're a Harley supporter or or an
Indian supporter. I guess it's like being rmng O or
NRA or something else. But some of the texts here
says Dan or Dan and Sheriff says, my dad taught
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me gun safety as a kid. I learned nothing new
in the army. You know, there's a lot of people
that can say, yeah, everything I needed to learn about
gun safety I learned from my father or my parents.
I'm very much in that same boat. My dad took
me out shooting when I was a youngster, we got
our hunter safety cards, and not a lot has changed
when it comes to handling a rifle that is any
different than what my dad taught me. Even when you
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use a bigger, stronger rifle, the same principles still apply.
Another one here, says sheriff. I've asked this question before,
but I'm a twenty four year Army vet with seven deployments.
What will Parks and Wildlife teach me about gun safety?
That's a great question. I know that's a rhetorical question,
because here's the thing. Parks and Wildlife aren't going to
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teach you squat about gun safety. They're gonna dictate what
has to be taught by a private instructor. But they're
not actually going to teach the classes, as I understand it.
They're just going to set what the class a gen
has to look like, or what the curriculum has to
look like, and so some private person will end up
teaching you the class that you are going to be
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mandated to take if you want to buy pretty much
ninety percent of the handguns and rifles out there on
the market, So if you want to fully exercise your
Second Amendment rights, you're going to go take a class
from someone who may have less skill when it comes
to firearms than what you have.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
And Sheriff, how much are we going to have to
pay for that class?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
And who's going to have to pay for Well, that's
a great question, Ryan, and that is one of those
unknowns because the bill allows for these classes to kind
of be open ended. As far as what the fee
will be, I think Parks and Wildlife may set a
determination or a range of what that class can cost,
but that's again kind of unclear in the bill. And
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there will be a fee that you will have to
pay for the card to go take the class, and
that from that money will go to Parks and Wildlife,
but it'll be collected by the local sheriffs. And we
don't know what that fee is going to be, but
says it can't be overburdensome. I don't remember the exact word.
You know, you have to basically recover costs and not
be extravagant in what you're charging.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
What is the feed that we need to pay to
exercise our First Amendment rights?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
We don't have one, ironically, Okay, yeah, well at least
not yet, I mean in Colorado. So that's probably next year, right,
I mean, as long as we still have poll as,
I'm sure he'll sign it. So yeah, it's it's going
to get really complicated. You're going to go through a
whole bunch of different different steps just to figure out
how you can buy a gun that today you could
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still go to the gun store and pick up and
not have to take all those steps. So I don't know.
I guess the lesson here is, if you're going to
buy a gun, do it before August. First. We got
a color on the line. We have Frank from Denver.
He wants to talk about Senate Bill three. What do
you got for us, Rank?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, thanks Sharon for all you do. You know, it
seems like it's the democratically dominated legislature here in Colorado
is just getting more and more intrusive into the rights
of the citizens. I don't know what it's going to take.
I don't know whether legislation or counter suits are going
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to be effective. It's going to strain the legal system
to try to protect the rights when the left seems
to go against Heller and other rulings by the Supreme Court.
I've always thought that there needs to be some kind
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of either financial or other type of punitive action against
legislators and governors who, to me, are fulfill the definition
of rico when they act in one hundred percent lockstep
kind of fashion against any group of people who are
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trying to exercise their Second Amendment rights. Then you get
out in the weeds in the small language usually financed
by democratic donors, big donors like George Soros, who want
to cause these kind of problems and straining of the Constitution.
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I don't know, what do you feel, are you know,
chances of the Second Amendment rights people who are trying
to peacefully coexist and use their firearms only as protection
of their inherent rights as an American citizens.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
You know, Frank, I hate to say it this way,
and this is you know, I'm not wishing doom on anyone,
but the Democrats who put these bills in place, don't
they don't answer to reality. You know, during the news
break we're talking about an incident or there was a
story about an incident in Aurora where a homeowner you
had to use his weapon to protect himself against someone
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who was breaking into his garage. Those kind of calls
happen routinely across this state. And again, I don't wish
doom on anyone. But until those kind of incidents start
affecting the people who are enacting these laws and they say, well,
heck is sure would have been nice to have a gun,
I don't think their mind changes. And you know, we're
setting it up in this state to say, hey, those
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of you that want to violate the law and be
lawless and take advantage of others, victimize others. Well, you're
not going to meet a lot of resistance if no
one in the state can buy the weapons that they
readily need to protect themselves. And quite frankly, it's not
a good scenario. You know. You hope that on some
other topic that the left has gone too far and
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we start to see a balance, or we see Republicans
take over. Maybe that's a legal immigration you know, who
knows what the issue dazure is. But Republicans have to
get back in power in order to turn some of
this back and bring some sanity back to it. I
don't think anytime one party controls all levers of the
government that it's necessarily good for the people. There needs
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to be a balance, There needs to be a back
and forth. But when we've gone this far to the left,
we're gonna have to go a little to the right
before we get that balance back. But frank great question.
Thank you for calling in. You always have thoughtful comments
every time I hear you on the radio, so it's
good to talk to you in person. We're going to
cut the brake when we get back we'll dive back
into this for just a little bit. But you're listening
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to the Dan Cafless Show here on six point thirty km.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
And now back to the Dan Tapless Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Welcome back to the Dan Cafless Show here with Well
Tunny Sheriff Steve Reims. We've been talking about Senate Bill three.
We had Dudley Brown on from Rocky Mountain gun Owners
and you guys are texting in in reference to some
questions and comments about Senate Bill three. So I'll try
to get through those, and we also have a caller
on the line. One here says Sheriff, Wait, did you
just say that this bill only applies to certain firearms.
House firearms safety different from one gun to another. Yes,
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that is true. This bill is not universal. To simplify it,
it's basically anything that has a detachable magazine and is
quote unquote gas operated. That leads me to the next text.
It says, as I read it, Cinebill three does not
apply to recoil operated firearms such as the commonly carried
glock nineteen. Cenebill three only applies to gas operated semi
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auto firearms. Is their understanding? If so, this bill seems
fairly narrow in scope, although still a serious two AA
assault and needs to be stopped if at all possible.
The problem is, gas operated is not defined very well
in the bill, and they're going to leave this decision
up to a bureaucrat that they're creating in the Department
of Revenue, who is to determine what guns most strictly
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meet the requirements of this bill. As I see it,
a glock would not necessarily fit the confinements of this bill,
but I don't know that that's going to shake out
when it's all said and done. Another one here. I'm
sixty two and I got my Hunter safety card in
junior high school outdoor rect class man that was in
America was America. And one last one here before we
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go to the callers, I applaud R. Mgl and all
the other two A advocates for their efforts. That's Stephen Littleton,
a retired law enforcement officer. And we've had Joe from
an Arvada waiting on the line. Joe, tell us what
you think on this?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Hey, yeah, yeah, I just want to you know, I'm
a lifelong an RAY member and I must say I'm
glad since they put the kabasha on Lapierre. If I
had more disposable income, I would probably join Rocky Mount
Gun Owners. But I digress. I would like to see
organizations excuse me, organizations like Rocky Mount Gun Owners n
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IRA point out some such obvious things. Now you look
at major cities, Liberal cities like Chicago have the most
restrictive gun laws, but subsequently they have the highest crime
rates in the Chicago is a great example. And then
subsequently our neighbors, why in Utah is I understand it
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have the highest percentage of gun ownership, you know, per capita. Yeah, yeah,
but some of the lowest cramera exactly. So that's I
would like to see the fight go there to point
out that you know, these gun laws, they only affect
us law abiding people, affect criminals.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Jo, You're one hundred percent right. And now I hear
those arguments made with every one of these bills down
at the state Capitol. And you know, to a point
that Dudley made, logic doesn't rule the day at the
State Capitol. It's all emotion, it's all feelings. So they
don't care what statistics you bring in. And you know,
I've used this on the radio, and in many of
my testimonies as well. When I took over the office
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of sheriff in twenty fifteen, we had eleven thousand concealed
weapons permit holders in Weld County. We're now uped over
twenty eight thousand.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
And you know what, and what's a crime like in
World County.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It's pretty down low, pretty darn low. It's a safe
place to live.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I think people would go ahead.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
I'm sorry, I would. I would love for for, like
I said, these organizations to point it out, make the
public aware.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I mean, you know, I hear it from them all
the time down at the Capitol. I hear it from
them in there in the stuff they put out to
the press. But you just can't. You can't get nine
News to repeat anything like that. You can't get Channel
seven News to repeat anything like that. I mean, they
just the state. Uh, they're in the They're in the
lapse of the Democrats. And unfortunately, until we start taking
back some control in this state with some really good candidates,
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you know, we're going to continue to deal with this stuff.
So I keep hoping that we'll get some good governor's
candidates and have a chance here but.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Joe, thanks for Wyoming is looking better and better every day.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I understand that. Joe, Hey, we're gonna get.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
To the love that state.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Well it's one to hear too. So Joe, thanks for calling,
and we'll get the bill and centennial. Next question about
the fifteen year old illegal Alien bill. What do you go?
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Well, I appreciate the fact you give me a chance
to be on the radio, A and I appreciate your
points of view. I'm just curious is to whether or
not that car was stolen or if it was a
family vehicle, and if it was a family vehicle, was
it insured and if it wasn't, you know, it just
seems convoluted all the issues here, and yeah, kind of
wondering if it was the family car and it was. Indeed,
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she says it was stolen because she wanted to protect herself.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
From being So that's a good question. Bill. So my
understanding is the kid took the car from mom without
mom's understanding that that had happened. I don't know if
that's an excuse, I really don't know. But regardless, you know,
he was not prosecuted for having been in a stolen
vehicle or potentially stolen vehicle. You know, I don't know
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how much that changes the case, because the killing of
the young lady is definitely the higher crime. And if
you're only going to give probation for that, I don't
know if it matters if he's driving a stolen car,
and you know, whether he's the lead or not shouldn't
really play a point here. As much as that's that's
a point that's being made. Anybody who takes the life
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of another person, in my opinion, should receive some pretty
strong punishment. I don't know what you think, Bill.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Oh no, no, I absolutely totally agree with you. That's
kind of why I'm wondering where the mom said the
car was stolen, because she's trying to get out of
culpability of just you know, if I got I got
vehicles and they got insurance on them, and unfortunately I
got I got a extra insurance for uninsured motorists like this, we're.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
All doing that. Yeah, absolutely well. And I think the
bigger question, so that we know the teenagers in illegal
that leads me to believe that maybe mom is here illegally,
because you know, it's it be a weird situation where
Mom's here legally and sons not. So then you wonder, okay,
is I was going to get involved in this, but
ice in this state has so many barriers to being
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able to go out and do their job. It's like, gosh,
you just you can't find the fix for this stuff
at this point.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
No, we can't flame zim unlike you that can take
you know, I mean there's people out there want to
take you know, take up those kind of jobs. But
it's like if you don't get supported by him, you know,
and then then yeah, why why why why risk your life?
Like my dad World War two? Bet I didn't have
the you know, I had a lot of number that
was pretty close for Vietnam. I didn't serve, but you
know I got I got in laws that are service members.
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And sometimes I wonder if these guys scratch you ahead
and he goes, what are we stepping up forward for
if we don't you.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Know, Well, I can tell you as as a law
enforcement officer, there's never been a more frustrating time in
my career than right now. And I have a good
DA in h Up in Well County. Michael Rourke's a
great DA. I've had him on here as a guest.
He'd make a great he'd make a great attorney general candidate.
But unfortunately, you know, the laws in this state have
been so watered down. It's just difficult to make headway here.
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But thanks for the call. Bill. We're going to cut
the break. When we come back. We're gonna have Aaron
Casey on with us from Phoenix Weaponry up in Bertha, Colorado.
I think you'll like the interview we're going to do
with him here on the Dankfleas Show hosted by Well
Cady Sheriff Steve Rings.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Welcome back to the Dan Capless Show. Here with welcome you.
Sheriff Steve Reims sitting in as a guest host today.
And you know, kind of a treat today to talk
to this particular person because I consider him a friend
and one heck of a guy when it comes to
designing some fantastic firearms. I'm pleased to own a shotgun
that he built for me. And that's Aaron Casey from
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Phoenix Weaponry. Erin how are you doing today?
Speaker 6 (18:34):
I'm doing great?
Speaker 7 (18:35):
How about you?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I'm doing awesome? Eron hey tell the listeners will if
you will, just a little bit about your business and
kind of what you specialize in and kind of how
your business evolved to the point where it's at now.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
Well, we're in birth At We have a ten thousand
square foot facility about eighteen different machining centers. We manufacture
everything in house, from domestic medals on machines in house.
It's it's very important to us, the machining aspect of
it and how everything gets and its finished. Started this
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what we want to call it somebody that's a mess,
but I've started this about ten fifteen years ago. Just
kind of got into building guns with my father and
as we progress went off to machine shops school probably
thirty years forty years ago and now probably and then
got into actually making them complete. After doing some DARPA
projects and some other stuff. All the machine shops I
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went to as the gun guy. So every time there's
some sort of a project that about bald firearms, I
ended up being the guy. So decided to do it
for myself.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
That's perfect, And Aaron, you don't make the common guns
that a lot of people would walk into a gun
store and see. You make some pretty high end stuff.
If the listeners wanted to look at at your product lineup,
where could they go and find us?
Speaker 7 (19:50):
That is a Phoenix Weaponry dot Com.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And I got to tell you, for those of you
that are our gun nuts, if you've ever seen the
movie Old No Country for Old Men, there's a shotgun
in there that the bad guy carries around with a
big suppressor can on the end. And I have one
almost exactly like it that mister Casey built and it's
a very prized possession in my collection. And that's just
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the tip of the iceberg for what this guy does.
But Aaron, you're kind of a guy that gives back.
I mean, you're constantly involved in a bunch of shoots
out there. You're doing stuff to raise funds for vfw's
and and other, you know, other organizations. And I know
you want to promote a machine gun shoot that you
have coming up. So I think it's on June fourteenth,
Is that correct?
Speaker 7 (20:34):
Yes, sir, Yeah, we'll get going about nine am.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Okay, And where's that going to be at?
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Great Guns?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Great Guns And that's up in Weld County just outside
of Pierce, Is that correct? Okay? All right? So Great Guns?
And what are you what are you going to be
doing at this machine gun shoot? And I know you
have a couple of friends that are calling in. I
think we have Neil on the on the line with
this already, and maybe one of your other friends Craig
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calling in, uh, who are both with the VFW. But
but what's the you know, what's the impetus of this
fundraiser event you're having?
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Well, a long time ago, uh, Ryan armagost uh came
to me and wanted to know what we could do
along with Neil and want to know what we could
do to raise some money for the VFW. So we
put together a little machine gun shoot because we have
some machine guns for demonstration purposes. And so we came
up with a plan to you know and buy a
bunch of people out to pay per magazine and then
we just uh you know, shoot up you know, as
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much amatal as we can possibly burn in the short
amount of time possible. And so we use which.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Is never a bad time, right, Well, it depends, I mean.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
You know, if we've we've melted a few guns down
over the hutters. After we're done with a shoot, we
we usually have to replace you know, pieces on it.
Probably about four guns. Yeah, we don't do controlled bursts.
We do straight mag dumps. Okay, it's much easier for
novice machine gun shooters to do controlled you know, more
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easier for them to control with flight just a full
bag dump, right, But every time they start over, the
gun will reset and kind of try to climb back again.
So we've got a belt fit is kind of like
the you know, the big thing, and so then people
can bring their kids out and we've had a I
think somebody's a lot young as seven sit behind that
thing and you know, drop off a belt, so you.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Bet, and I think I think we have Neil on
the line with us. Neil, you're the quartermaster with the VFW,
if I'm not mistaken. And what's your role in helping
to set up this machine gun shoot? Neil? Are you
with us?
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah? We can, Neil. So what's your role with the
VFW and help them set this up?
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Okay? Yes, like you said, I'm in the quartermaster, which
is basically in the old Calgary days he would go
out and pay all of the troops. But currently what
I'm doing is doing all of the work as far
as the things that you don't see we're going to
be having food out there, So I'm okay getting all
of that put together. Have got the range already obligated
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to the DFW reaching out to other vendors. You know,
we've got people like what is it Warriors down in
Long Month. They gave us really great deals on the
Camo that we've had now in our possession for a while.
We've got Team America, which is the Ryan Armergas training facility.
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We got em part fun Point Arms and several others
that are coming out. They'll be they're either demoing weapons
or setting up booth and you can walk through and
see some of their words.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I got you and both both you and Aaron, either
one of you can answer this. But I've heard you
guys mentioned Ryan armagas several times. If you were listening
earlier in the show, you might have heard Dudley Brown
on not necessarily singing Ryan Armagos praises. I supported Ryan
Armagus when he ran for State rep. And I think
you know, by and large we agree on most everything.
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So he's been pretty instrumental in what you guys do
there at the VFW and and at Phoenix Weaponry. Is
that correct? Either one of you take that.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Yeah, visiting go ahead.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
Yeah, he's he wanted to do the VFW shoot and
then he did that big event there back to Blue
and and berthed. He's been taking a beaten by rmgo
for a while. Now you can. You can be friends
with people. You don't always have to agree with them
on every issue. Sure, but I don't know none of
this that's going on is going to help the two
A community in any any aspect.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Yeah, all this.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
Stuff should be handled behind closed doors in private, private meetings.
Pash it out. Do what you gotta do. Uh, don't
destroy the the entire two way organizations that are in
the in the state.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah. Well, and I didn't have you guys on to
debate back and forth, and and you know, quite honestly,
I'd like for you to promote your event. So, Neil,
what are the dates for this times? How can people
get involved? How can they donate?
Speaker 5 (24:59):
What?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
What's the best way to help support your VFW chapter.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
Well, I'm hoping that people will come out and have fun.
As Aaron was saying, it's a family event. Come out
with the family. We'll have hot dogs, hamburgers and that
sort of thing out there.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
For m machine.
Speaker 8 (25:17):
Yeah as well. But we'll have let's see here some
of the weapons that we'll have out there done. Okay,
We're going to have things like the Tommy gun yep
that Aaron just got back or put back together, put
together for the first time. He's been working on it
(25:38):
for about a year, year and a half, and that's
going to be a lot of fun. He shoots at
forty five atp right, and it's going to be a
whole lot of fun. To be able to get tickets
and that sort of thing. Just get into the Birth
of df W or just to a search on Google
for birth and DFW, go to the Machine Gun Shoot
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and you can get entry tickets which includes your lunch
and the range fees. Then also you can get things
like magazines. You can get a belt for the old
nineteen nineteen Browning which sets on a tripod and that's
something from the early World Wars. And just have fun.
(26:23):
There's oozzy. We'll have all sorts of different kinds of weapons.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Who didn't have fun too? Who didn't have fun with
some machine guns and hot dogs and hamburgers and taking
your family out? So what's the cost to sign up
for this? Just so so the listeners know what they're
getting themselves into.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
I knew you were going to ask me that, and
I don't have it here on top of my desk,
But yeah, what was that.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
Thirty dollars for the crystal caliber and I leave forty
dollars for rifle caliber and sixty dollars for the thirty
or six belts.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well, that's a deal at twice the price. I can
tell you that I've got a chance to shoot most
of every one of those weapons at some point, not
necessarily out of your collection, but something similar to it.
And it's a who you can't beat that for a
good time. And so if you're looking for a thing
to do for your family and also support the VFW,
great place to go out too. So that's the birth
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at VFW. Just google that and you can find a
link to it on that website. And Aaron, if I could,
just before we end this segment, how difficult is it
to be a gun owner in the state of our
a gun shop owner in the state of Colorado right now?
I mean, it's got to be one of the most
difficult places to do your line of work.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
It's been an all out war against us for the
past three years, almost all of the legislation that has
been put through is anti business. So what they're doing
is they've removed liability protections from manufacturers. We have safe
storage issues where they will not define how we're supposed
to store the farms and our facilities, because obviously locking
up inside your buildings are enough. When you know you
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could be in trouble for them driving a vehicle through
your front door because you didn't lock it up enough enough.
Then Senate Bill three one of the very first lines
and is banning the manufacturer of magazine fed some automatic
gast barred weapons, but they will not define what manufacturer is.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Well, that sounds like a really good time. So you know,
you just got a text in and says, well, County,
Wyoming's looking like a better place all the time. I'd
hate to see you relocate, but I'm sure I'm sure
that's a consideration for you. At this point, we've.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
Been we've had several states reach out to us. The
governor of Montana Balda myself phone a while ago. We're
in talks with them. Put up to South Dakota, do
an initial site tours and chat with them about what
they have in mind we've been to Cheyenne. Fan Leeds
has been very aggressive in their reaching out Texas. I'm
(28:50):
looking forward to going to some place where, you know,
just being punished for and they won't tell you what
you're going to be punished for.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, it's kind of like the irs. I mean to
be honest with you. As a state of Color, it
could be well. Look, I want to thank both of
you for being on Neil. Thanks for all the information
about the Birth at VFW. Again, listeners go to Google
that google their web page it's birth at VFW. And again,
if you're looking for just a high end firearm that
(29:18):
is going to be a heck of a weapon to
own and shoot, I can't tell you more than to
go check out Phoenix Weaponry. Aaron Casey does a great
job with everything he builds. I say that as a
as an owner, not just a not just a client.
I love the gun that I got from you, guys,
and it's a it's a talking piece every time I
break it out of the safe.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
So yeah, with aach on it definitely, Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
A fun time. But June fourteenth is the day, correct, Yes,
all right, thanks guys and hopefully you'll get a lot
of people showing up for that up at Great Guns
just outside of Pierce and None. But again go to
that website and again thanks for being on guys, and
we'll cut to break. Now you're listening to the Dankaples
Show here on six thirty k how with Will Kenny
Sheriff Steve Dams.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Welcome back to the Dan Kaplass Show with Well Kenny
Sheriff Steve Riams as the guest host, and we're in
our last segment here. Two hours just flies by, but
I want to clear out these text messages. We were
talking about Senate Bill three gun laws some shooting events,
but in reference to Senate Bill three, there was a
question about whether a glock met the requirements of the
band guns or not, and whether it was recoil or
(30:29):
gas operated, and textter sends in recoil operated is gas operated?
Gas kicks the slide back, ejecting the brass and cocking
the hammer. The spring pushes the slide forward chamber in
the next round. That's the most intelligent thing that could
have been texted in and is not included in any
form of Senate Bill three, because the crafters of Senate
Bill three had no dang idea of what they were
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talking about. In fact, there was a person who got
up and gave testimony as a gun expert who talked
about unloading and reloading firearm in probably the most dangerous
way I've ever heard in my life, and he was
a purported expert. So I think there is some question
about what will be considered a gas operated semi automatic handgun.
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What I've been telling everybody right now is if your
gun has a detachable magazine and it's semi automatic, expect
it to be on the list, whether it's a glock
or not. But we can hope for the best. Another
one here it says, I know I can't buy a
pistol another state due to federal law. But what stops
me with regard to Sene Bill three to go to
Wyoming and buy a semi auto rifle Unless I've missed
(31:34):
something when I read the bill, nothing correct, And that's
primarily correct. I mean I've bought several weapons up in Wyoming, rifles,
that is, semi auto rifles, and I don't think there'd
be anything that would stop you. Now, other than if
Wyoming doesn't want to sell them to you. You know,
Colorado definitely doesn't have a good reputation right now. Another
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one here Sheriff, keep up the good work, joining rmgo
after dinner. Another one, I shall Tommy gun. It's one
of the most fun weapons I've ever fired. And I
will second that shooting a Tommy gun it takes you
right into a gangster style movie or old World War
two movie. It's just a cool gun to shoot. The
pace of it is amazing. It's a lot of fun.
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And then we'll finish this last text out here. It's
not very flattering, but we read them all. This one
says Dudley is a grifting carnival barker. He bad mouthed
the guys who were behind the Morse and Jeron recalls.
For example, when the recall started, he dismissively said that
their political experience could be measured on an egg timer.
One of the recall board members sent Dudley and egg
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timer as a reminder of his work. Look, we just
bring on the guests. I agree with Dudley on a
lot of things. We haven't agreed on everything in the world.
But the same thing with Ryan armagust I agree with
Ryan on a lot of his efforts. I didn't agree
with him on the idea of allowing dreamers or illegal
aliens who have lived here their whole life to try
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to figure out how to become law enforcement officers. So
we're going to agree on a lot of things and
disagree on some and that's just the way the world works.
But you know, I can't get to all these texts
because we have the Harley Davison discussion versus Indian, we
have the gun issue, and then Alexis send in some
stuff about different cases over in a rapa hoo, and
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it's just it's amazing to me how engaged you guys
are this one from Alexi. I do want to get
to it, says da Amy Patten only gave Robin, I
said a three years probation for line to the court
about having brain cancer. That's the whole back and forth
with Danielle Jerinsky and trying to take her kids away.
Says what's the point of police or DA team investigating
if everyone will just get a slap on the wrist
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and a stern look. And you know, in a lot
of cases they're not even going to get a stern look,
and I can tell you, as a law enforcement person
who's been in this line of work for twenty seven
plus years, there's never been a time where I felt
less supported by the criminal justice system. That being said,
I'll be back tomorrow. We're gonna have some governor's candidates on,
and I appreciate everyone for tuning in and listening to
(34:04):
The Dan Kapla Show with Wellcunny Sheriff Steve Rams as
the guest host here on six point thirty k how
We'll see you tomorrow.
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to the Dankplas Show with well kind of
Sheriff Steve Reims setting in today. It's an hour two
and it's a pleasure to be here with you guys.
Hopefully you were listening in on that last segment when
we had Dudley Brown on with the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners,
and you know, a lot of people will criticize those
guys from time to time, saying that they're, you know,
they're a little too hard line. I have to tell you,
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if you care about the Second Amendment at all, they're
one of the few groups in this state that really
does activate you know, I've worked with the Rocky Mountain
gun Owners quite a few times over the years. It's
unfortunate that that's had to happen. You'd like to just
have a government that doesn't try to infringe on your
Second Amendment rights, but that's not what we have here
in the state of Colorado. I can tell you I've
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I've worked with some of the other gun groups as well,
but none more so than the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners
because they're right here and they're involved in the fight. Again,
sometimes the tactics may be a little uh rough for
some some folks, but that's how that's how you move
the needle in a lot of a lot of these arguments.
So if you were listening that last segment, you probably
(01:17):
have an opinion on you know, if RMGO is doing
this the right way or if they're if they're a
little too rough around the edges. You're welcome to call
in and let us know what you think. You can
call in it three h three seven one three eight
two five five, or you can text in it five
seven seven three nine. And you know, what we were really
talking about were the effects of Senate Bill three on
the state of Colorado and just how that bill kind
(01:38):
of made its way through the legislature and onto Polus's desk.
Of course, we all believed he was going to sign it,
and he did, and now we have this, uh it's
really bad legislation that we're trying to figure out how
to navigate. And I hint it to this in the
last segment, that there's a one particular county that has
announced that they're just not going to interact with this bill.
They're just they're saying, we're a Second Amendment sanctuary county
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and we're not going to wreck recognize Senate Bill three.
That's Bent County, Colorado. Well, I happen to know the
sheriff down in Bent County. His name is Jake six.
So I gave him a call over the weekend and said, Jake,
explain to me what this looks like. And I actually
invited him to come on the show today. But Jake's
a busy guy, just like most sheriffs, and he didn't
(02:19):
have time to get on the show or didn't get
back with me in time. So i'll paraphrase what he said.
He basically said, we don't have a gun store in
Bent County, so we don't have a need to worry
about Senate Bill three. So his constituents, if they're going
to go buy a gun, they're going to have to
do so on another county. And I guess the thought
process for Bent County is, well, they can go get
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that permit in another county because the bill does not
prevent that from what I've read. So if you live
in Bent County, but you're going to go buy a gun,
and say Pueblo County, then you could go to the
Pueblo County sheriff and apply for that card so that
you can take a class so that you can go
buy a gun and start the process. And so Bent
County's way is just saying we're not going to do it.
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I don't know what that'll look like when it actually
starts playing out, but you know, time will tell. I
guess in Weld County we do have a lot of
gun shops like in many of the other Front Range counties,
and I don't think that's the stance that Weld County
can take now. I will say, I think if every
sheriff in the state of Colorado just said no, we're
not going to do this, there might be some some
(03:21):
strength there. But I don't think you'll ever get sixty
four sheriffs to agree to do anything exactly the same.
So we're right back where we started again. You can
text in the five seven seven three nine start your
text with Dan, or you can call in it three
O three seven one three eight two five five, and
you know, there's always those hot topics that really get
the text coming in or get people fired up. You
(03:42):
talk about guns, that's kind of a natural one. So
we've got a few texts here that I'll get to.
But who knows motorcycles. It's kind of going back and
forth between whether you're a Harley supporter or or an
Indian supporter. I guess it's like being rmng O or
NRA or something else. But some of the texts here
says Dan or Dan and Sheriff says, my dad taught
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me gun safety as a kid. I learned nothing new
in the army. You know, there's a lot of people
that can say, yeah, everything I needed to learn about
gun safety I learned from my father or my parents.
I'm very much in that same boat. My dad took
me out shooting when I was a youngster, we got
our hunter safety cards, and not a lot has changed
when it comes to handling a rifle that is any
different than what my dad taught me. Even when you
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use a bigger, stronger rifle, the same principles still apply.
Another one here, says sheriff. I've asked this question before,
but I'm a twenty four year Army vet with seven deployments.
What will Parks and Wildlife teach me about gun safety?
That's a great question. I know that's a rhetorical question,
because here's the thing. Parks and Wildlife aren't going to
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teach you squat about gun safety. They're gonna dictate what
has to be taught by a private instructor. But they're
not actually going to teach the classes, as I understand it.
They're just going to set what the class a gen
has to look like, or what the curriculum has to
look like, and so some private person will end up
teaching you the class that you are going to be
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mandated to take if you want to buy pretty much
ninety percent of the handguns and rifles out there on
the market, So if you want to fully exercise your
Second Amendment rights, you're going to go take a class
from someone who may have less skill when it comes
to firearms than what you have.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
And Sheriff, how much are we going to have to
pay for that class?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
And who's going to have to pay for Well, that's
a great question, Ryan, and that is one of those
unknowns because the bill allows for these classes to kind
of be open ended. As far as what the fee
will be, I think Parks and Wildlife may set a
determination or a range of what that class can cost,
but that's again kind of unclear in the bill. And
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there will be a fee that you will have to
pay for the card to go take the class, and
that from that money will go to Parks and Wildlife,
but it'll be collected by the local sheriffs. And we
don't know what that fee is going to be, but
says it can't be overburdensome. I don't remember the exact word.
You know, you have to basically recover costs and not
be extravagant in what you're charging.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
What is the feed that we need to pay to
exercise our First Amendment rights?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
We don't have one, ironically, Okay, yeah, well at least
not yet, I mean in Colorado. So that's probably next year, right,
I mean, as long as we still have poll as,
I'm sure he'll sign it. So yeah, it's it's going
to get really complicated. You're going to go through a
whole bunch of different different steps just to figure out
how you can buy a gun that today you could
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still go to the gun store and pick up and
not have to take all those steps. So I don't know.
I guess the lesson here is, if you're going to
buy a gun, do it before August. First. We got
a color on the line. We have Frank from Denver.
He wants to talk about Senate Bill three. What do
you got for us, Rank?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, thanks Sharon for all you do. You know, it
seems like it's the democratically dominated legislature here in Colorado
is just getting more and more intrusive into the rights
of the citizens. I don't know what it's going to take.
I don't know whether legislation or counter suits are going
(07:11):
to be effective. It's going to strain the legal system
to try to protect the rights when the left seems
to go against Heller and other rulings by the Supreme Court.
I've always thought that there needs to be some kind
(07:32):
of either financial or other type of punitive action against
legislators and governors who, to me, are fulfill the definition
of rico when they act in one hundred percent lockstep
kind of fashion against any group of people who are
(07:56):
trying to exercise their Second Amendment rights. Then you get
out in the weeds in the small language usually financed
by democratic donors, big donors like George Soros, who want
to cause these kind of problems and straining of the Constitution.
(08:20):
I don't know, what do you feel, are you know,
chances of the Second Amendment rights people who are trying
to peacefully coexist and use their firearms only as protection
of their inherent rights as an American citizens.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
You know, Frank, I hate to say it this way,
and this is you know, I'm not wishing doom on anyone,
but the Democrats who put these bills in place, don't
they don't answer to reality. You know, during the news
break we're talking about an incident or there was a
story about an incident in Aurora where a homeowner you
had to use his weapon to protect himself against someone
(08:59):
who was breaking into his garage. Those kind of calls
happen routinely across this state. And again, I don't wish
doom on anyone. But until those kind of incidents start
affecting the people who are enacting these laws and they say, well,
heck is sure would have been nice to have a gun,
I don't think their mind changes. And you know, we're
setting it up in this state to say, hey, those
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of you that want to violate the law and be
lawless and take advantage of others, victimize others. Well, you're
not going to meet a lot of resistance if no
one in the state can buy the weapons that they
readily need to protect themselves. And quite frankly, it's not
a good scenario. You know. You hope that on some
other topic that the left has gone too far and
(09:43):
we start to see a balance, or we see Republicans
take over. Maybe that's a legal immigration you know, who
knows what the issue dazure is. But Republicans have to
get back in power in order to turn some of
this back and bring some sanity back to it. I
don't think anytime one party controls all levers of the
government that it's necessarily good for the people. There needs
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to be a balance, There needs to be a back
and forth. But when we've gone this far to the left,
we're gonna have to go a little to the right
before we get that balance back. But frank great question.
Thank you for calling in. You always have thoughtful comments
every time I hear you on the radio, so it's
good to talk to you in person. We're going to
cut the brake when we get back we'll dive back
into this for just a little bit. But you're listening
(10:27):
to the Dan Cafless Show here on six point thirty km.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
And now back to the Dan Tapless Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Welcome back to the Dan Cafless Show here with Well
Tunny Sheriff Steve Reims. We've been talking about Senate Bill three.
We had Dudley Brown on from Rocky Mountain gun Owners
and you guys are texting in in reference to some
questions and comments about Senate Bill three. So I'll try
to get through those, and we also have a caller
on the line. One here says Sheriff, Wait, did you
just say that this bill only applies to certain firearms.
House firearms safety different from one gun to another. Yes,
(10:56):
that is true. This bill is not universal. To simplify it,
it's basically anything that has a detachable magazine and is
quote unquote gas operated. That leads me to the next text.
It says, as I read it, Cinebill three does not
apply to recoil operated firearms such as the commonly carried
glock nineteen. Cenebill three only applies to gas operated semi
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auto firearms. Is their understanding? If so, this bill seems
fairly narrow in scope, although still a serious two AA
assault and needs to be stopped if at all possible.
The problem is, gas operated is not defined very well
in the bill, and they're going to leave this decision
up to a bureaucrat that they're creating in the Department
of Revenue, who is to determine what guns most strictly
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meet the requirements of this bill. As I see it,
a glock would not necessarily fit the confinements of this bill,
but I don't know that that's going to shake out
when it's all said and done. Another one here. I'm
sixty two and I got my Hunter safety card in
junior high school outdoor rect class man that was in
America was America. And one last one here before we
(12:04):
go to the callers, I applaud R. Mgl and all
the other two A advocates for their efforts. That's Stephen Littleton,
a retired law enforcement officer. And we've had Joe from
an Arvada waiting on the line. Joe, tell us what
you think on this?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Hey, yeah, yeah, I just want to you know, I'm
a lifelong an RAY member and I must say I'm
glad since they put the kabasha on Lapierre. If I
had more disposable income, I would probably join Rocky Mount
Gun Owners. But I digress. I would like to see
organizations excuse me, organizations like Rocky Mount Gun Owners n
(12:41):
IRA point out some such obvious things. Now you look
at major cities, Liberal cities like Chicago have the most
restrictive gun laws, but subsequently they have the highest crime
rates in the Chicago is a great example. And then
subsequently our neighbors, why in Utah is I understand it
(13:02):
have the highest percentage of gun ownership, you know, per capita. Yeah, yeah,
but some of the lowest cramera exactly. So that's I
would like to see the fight go there to point
out that you know, these gun laws, they only affect
us law abiding people, affect criminals.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Jo, You're one hundred percent right. And now I hear
those arguments made with every one of these bills down
at the state Capitol. And you know, to a point
that Dudley made, logic doesn't rule the day at the
State Capitol. It's all emotion, it's all feelings. So they
don't care what statistics you bring in. And you know,
I've used this on the radio, and in many of
my testimonies as well. When I took over the office
(13:44):
of sheriff in twenty fifteen, we had eleven thousand concealed
weapons permit holders in Weld County. We're now uped over
twenty eight thousand.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
And you know what, and what's a crime like in
World County.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It's pretty down low, pretty darn low. It's a safe
place to live.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I think people would go ahead.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
I'm sorry, I would. I would love for for, like
I said, these organizations to point it out, make the
public aware.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I mean, you know, I hear it from them all
the time down at the Capitol. I hear it from
them in there in the stuff they put out to
the press. But you just can't. You can't get nine
News to repeat anything like that. You can't get Channel
seven News to repeat anything like that. I mean, they
just the state. Uh, they're in the They're in the
lapse of the Democrats. And unfortunately, until we start taking
back some control in this state with some really good candidates,
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you know, we're going to continue to deal with this stuff.
So I keep hoping that we'll get some good governor's
candidates and have a chance here but.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Joe, thanks for Wyoming is looking better and better every day.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I understand that. Joe, Hey, we're gonna get.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
To the love that state.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Well it's one to hear too. So Joe, thanks for calling,
and we'll get the bill and centennial. Next question about
the fifteen year old illegal Alien bill. What do you go?
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Well, I appreciate the fact you give me a chance
to be on the radio, A and I appreciate your
points of view. I'm just curious is to whether or
not that car was stolen or if it was a
family vehicle, and if it was a family vehicle, was
it insured and if it wasn't, you know, it just
seems convoluted all the issues here, and yeah, kind of
wondering if it was the family car and it was. Indeed,
(15:23):
she says it was stolen because she wanted to protect herself.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
From being So that's a good question. Bill. So my
understanding is the kid took the car from mom without
mom's understanding that that had happened. I don't know if
that's an excuse, I really don't know. But regardless, you know,
he was not prosecuted for having been in a stolen
vehicle or potentially stolen vehicle. You know, I don't know
(15:47):
how much that changes the case, because the killing of
the young lady is definitely the higher crime. And if
you're only going to give probation for that, I don't
know if it matters if he's driving a stolen car,
and you know, whether he's the lead or not shouldn't
really play a point here. As much as that's that's
a point that's being made. Anybody who takes the life
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of another person, in my opinion, should receive some pretty
strong punishment. I don't know what you think, Bill.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Oh no, no, I absolutely totally agree with you. That's
kind of why I'm wondering where the mom said the
car was stolen, because she's trying to get out of
culpability of just you know, if I got I got
vehicles and they got insurance on them, and unfortunately I
got I got a extra insurance for uninsured motorists like this, we're.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
All doing that. Yeah, absolutely well. And I think the
bigger question, so that we know the teenagers in illegal
that leads me to believe that maybe mom is here illegally,
because you know, it's it be a weird situation where
Mom's here legally and sons not. So then you wonder, okay,
is I was going to get involved in this, but
ice in this state has so many barriers to being
(16:51):
able to go out and do their job. It's like, gosh,
you just you can't find the fix for this stuff
at this point.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
No, we can't flame zim unlike you that can take
you know, I mean there's people out there want to
take you know, take up those kind of jobs. But
it's like if you don't get supported by him, you know,
and then then yeah, why why why why risk your life?
Like my dad World War two? Bet I didn't have
the you know, I had a lot of number that
was pretty close for Vietnam. I didn't serve, but you
know I got I got in laws that are service members.
(17:19):
And sometimes I wonder if these guys scratch you ahead
and he goes, what are we stepping up forward for
if we don't you.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Know, Well, I can tell you as as a law
enforcement officer, there's never been a more frustrating time in
my career than right now. And I have a good
DA in h Up in Well County. Michael Rourke's a
great DA. I've had him on here as a guest.
He'd make a great he'd make a great attorney general candidate.
But unfortunately, you know, the laws in this state have
been so watered down. It's just difficult to make headway here.
(17:46):
But thanks for the call. Bill. We're going to cut
the break. When we come back. We're gonna have Aaron
Casey on with us from Phoenix Weaponry up in Bertha, Colorado.
I think you'll like the interview we're going to do
with him here on the Dankfleas Show hosted by Well
Cady Sheriff Steve Rings.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Welcome back to the Dan Capless Show. Here with welcome you.
Sheriff Steve Reims sitting in as a guest host today.
And you know, kind of a treat today to talk
to this particular person because I consider him a friend
and one heck of a guy when it comes to
designing some fantastic firearms. I'm pleased to own a shotgun
that he built for me. And that's Aaron Casey from
(18:32):
Phoenix Weaponry. Erin how are you doing today?
Speaker 6 (18:34):
I'm doing great?
Speaker 7 (18:35):
How about you?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I'm doing awesome? Eron hey tell the listeners will if
you will, just a little bit about your business and
kind of what you specialize in and kind of how
your business evolved to the point where it's at now.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
Well, we're in birth At We have a ten thousand
square foot facility about eighteen different machining centers. We manufacture
everything in house, from domestic medals on machines in house.
It's it's very important to us, the machining aspect of
it and how everything gets and its finished. Started this
(19:08):
what we want to call it somebody that's a mess,
but I've started this about ten fifteen years ago. Just
kind of got into building guns with my father and
as we progress went off to machine shops school probably
thirty years forty years ago and now probably and then
got into actually making them complete. After doing some DARPA
projects and some other stuff. All the machine shops I
(19:28):
went to as the gun guy. So every time there's
some sort of a project that about bald firearms, I
ended up being the guy. So decided to do it
for myself.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
That's perfect, And Aaron, you don't make the common guns
that a lot of people would walk into a gun
store and see. You make some pretty high end stuff.
If the listeners wanted to look at at your product lineup,
where could they go and find us?
Speaker 7 (19:50):
That is a Phoenix Weaponry dot Com.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And I got to tell you, for those of you
that are our gun nuts, if you've ever seen the
movie Old No Country for Old Men, there's a shotgun
in there that the bad guy carries around with a
big suppressor can on the end. And I have one
almost exactly like it that mister Casey built and it's
a very prized possession in my collection. And that's just
(20:13):
the tip of the iceberg for what this guy does.
But Aaron, you're kind of a guy that gives back.
I mean, you're constantly involved in a bunch of shoots
out there. You're doing stuff to raise funds for vfw's
and and other, you know, other organizations. And I know
you want to promote a machine gun shoot that you
have coming up. So I think it's on June fourteenth,
Is that correct?
Speaker 7 (20:34):
Yes, sir, Yeah, we'll get going about nine am.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Okay, And where's that going to be at?
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Great Guns?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Great Guns And that's up in Weld County just outside
of Pierce, Is that correct? Okay? All right? So Great Guns?
And what are you what are you going to be
doing at this machine gun shoot? And I know you
have a couple of friends that are calling in. I
think we have Neil on the on the line with
this already, and maybe one of your other friends Craig
(20:59):
calling in, uh, who are both with the VFW. But
but what's the you know, what's the impetus of this
fundraiser event you're having?
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Well, a long time ago, uh, Ryan armagost uh came
to me and wanted to know what we could do
along with Neil and want to know what we could
do to raise some money for the VFW. So we
put together a little machine gun shoot because we have
some machine guns for demonstration purposes. And so we came
up with a plan to you know and buy a
bunch of people out to pay per magazine and then
we just uh you know, shoot up you know, as
(21:30):
much amatal as we can possibly burn in the short
amount of time possible. And so we use which.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Is never a bad time, right, Well, it depends, I mean.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
You know, if we've we've melted a few guns down
over the hutters. After we're done with a shoot, we
we usually have to replace you know, pieces on it.
Probably about four guns. Yeah, we don't do controlled bursts.
We do straight mag dumps. Okay, it's much easier for
novice machine gun shooters to do controlled you know, more
(21:58):
easier for them to control with flight just a full
bag dump, right, But every time they start over, the
gun will reset and kind of try to climb back again.
So we've got a belt fit is kind of like
the you know, the big thing, and so then people
can bring their kids out and we've had a I
think somebody's a lot young as seven sit behind that
thing and you know, drop off a belt, so you.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Bet, and I think I think we have Neil on
the line with us. Neil, you're the quartermaster with the VFW,
if I'm not mistaken. And what's your role in helping
to set up this machine gun shoot? Neil? Are you
with us?
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah? We can, Neil. So what's your role with the
VFW and help them set this up?
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Okay? Yes, like you said, I'm in the quartermaster, which
is basically in the old Calgary days he would go
out and pay all of the troops. But currently what
I'm doing is doing all of the work as far
as the things that you don't see we're going to
be having food out there, So I'm okay getting all
of that put together. Have got the range already obligated
(23:05):
to the DFW reaching out to other vendors. You know,
we've got people like what is it Warriors down in
Long Month. They gave us really great deals on the
Camo that we've had now in our possession for a while.
We've got Team America, which is the Ryan Armergas training facility.
(23:27):
We got em part fun Point Arms and several others
that are coming out. They'll be they're either demoing weapons
or setting up booth and you can walk through and
see some of their words.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I got you and both both you and Aaron, either
one of you can answer this. But I've heard you
guys mentioned Ryan armagas several times. If you were listening
earlier in the show, you might have heard Dudley Brown
on not necessarily singing Ryan Armagos praises. I supported Ryan
Armagus when he ran for State rep. And I think
you know, by and large we agree on most everything.
(24:00):
So he's been pretty instrumental in what you guys do
there at the VFW and and at Phoenix Weaponry. Is
that correct? Either one of you take that.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Yeah, visiting go ahead.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
Yeah, he's he wanted to do the VFW shoot and
then he did that big event there back to Blue
and and berthed. He's been taking a beaten by rmgo
for a while. Now you can. You can be friends
with people. You don't always have to agree with them
on every issue. Sure, but I don't know none of
this that's going on is going to help the two
A community in any any aspect.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Yeah, all this.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
Stuff should be handled behind closed doors in private, private meetings.
Pash it out. Do what you gotta do. Uh, don't
destroy the the entire two way organizations that are in
the in the state.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah. Well, and I didn't have you guys on to
debate back and forth, and and you know, quite honestly,
I'd like for you to promote your event. So, Neil,
what are the dates for this times? How can people
get involved? How can they donate?
Speaker 5 (24:59):
What?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
What's the best way to help support your VFW chapter.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
Well, I'm hoping that people will come out and have fun.
As Aaron was saying, it's a family event. Come out
with the family. We'll have hot dogs, hamburgers and that
sort of thing out there.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
For m machine.
Speaker 8 (25:17):
Yeah as well. But we'll have let's see here some
of the weapons that we'll have out there done. Okay,
We're going to have things like the Tommy gun yep
that Aaron just got back or put back together, put
together for the first time. He's been working on it
(25:38):
for about a year, year and a half, and that's
going to be a lot of fun. He shoots at
forty five atp right, and it's going to be a
whole lot of fun. To be able to get tickets
and that sort of thing. Just get into the Birth
of df W or just to a search on Google
for birth and DFW, go to the Machine Gun Shoot
(26:00):
and you can get entry tickets which includes your lunch
and the range fees. Then also you can get things
like magazines. You can get a belt for the old
nineteen nineteen Browning which sets on a tripod and that's
something from the early World Wars. And just have fun.
(26:23):
There's oozzy. We'll have all sorts of different kinds of weapons.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Who didn't have fun too? Who didn't have fun with
some machine guns and hot dogs and hamburgers and taking
your family out? So what's the cost to sign up
for this? Just so so the listeners know what they're
getting themselves into.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
I knew you were going to ask me that, and
I don't have it here on top of my desk,
But yeah, what was that.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
Thirty dollars for the crystal caliber and I leave forty
dollars for rifle caliber and sixty dollars for the thirty
or six belts.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well, that's a deal at twice the price. I can
tell you that I've got a chance to shoot most
of every one of those weapons at some point, not
necessarily out of your collection, but something similar to it.
And it's a who you can't beat that for a
good time. And so if you're looking for a thing
to do for your family and also support the VFW,
great place to go out too. So that's the birth
(27:19):
at VFW. Just google that and you can find a
link to it on that website. And Aaron, if I could,
just before we end this segment, how difficult is it
to be a gun owner in the state of our
a gun shop owner in the state of Colorado right now?
I mean, it's got to be one of the most
difficult places to do your line of work.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
It's been an all out war against us for the
past three years, almost all of the legislation that has
been put through is anti business. So what they're doing
is they've removed liability protections from manufacturers. We have safe
storage issues where they will not define how we're supposed
to store the farms and our facilities, because obviously locking
up inside your buildings are enough. When you know you
(27:58):
could be in trouble for them driving a vehicle through
your front door because you didn't lock it up enough enough.
Then Senate Bill three one of the very first lines
and is banning the manufacturer of magazine fed some automatic
gast barred weapons, but they will not define what manufacturer is.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Well, that sounds like a really good time. So you know,
you just got a text in and says, well, County,
Wyoming's looking like a better place all the time. I'd
hate to see you relocate, but I'm sure I'm sure
that's a consideration for you. At this point, we've.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
Been we've had several states reach out to us. The
governor of Montana Balda myself phone a while ago. We're
in talks with them. Put up to South Dakota, do
an initial site tours and chat with them about what
they have in mind we've been to Cheyenne. Fan Leeds
has been very aggressive in their reaching out Texas. I'm
(28:50):
looking forward to going to some place where, you know,
just being punished for and they won't tell you what
you're going to be punished for.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, it's kind of like the irs. I mean to
be honest with you. As a state of Color, it
could be well. Look, I want to thank both of
you for being on Neil. Thanks for all the information
about the Birth at VFW. Again, listeners go to Google
that google their web page it's birth at VFW. And again,
if you're looking for just a high end firearm that
(29:18):
is going to be a heck of a weapon to
own and shoot, I can't tell you more than to
go check out Phoenix Weaponry. Aaron Casey does a great
job with everything he builds. I say that as a
as an owner, not just a not just a client.
I love the gun that I got from you, guys,
and it's a it's a talking piece every time I
break it out of the safe.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
So yeah, with aach on it definitely, Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
A fun time. But June fourteenth is the day, correct, Yes,
all right, thanks guys and hopefully you'll get a lot
of people showing up for that up at Great Guns
just outside of Pierce and None. But again go to
that website and again thanks for being on guys, and
we'll cut to break. Now you're listening to the Dankaples
Show here on six thirty k how with Will Kenny
Sheriff Steve Dams.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Welcome back to the Dan Kaplass Show with Well Kenny
Sheriff Steve Riams as the guest host, and we're in
our last segment here. Two hours just flies by, but
I want to clear out these text messages. We were
talking about Senate Bill three gun laws some shooting events,
but in reference to Senate Bill three, there was a
question about whether a glock met the requirements of the
band guns or not, and whether it was recoil or
(30:29):
gas operated, and textter sends in recoil operated is gas operated?
Gas kicks the slide back, ejecting the brass and cocking
the hammer. The spring pushes the slide forward chamber in
the next round. That's the most intelligent thing that could
have been texted in and is not included in any
form of Senate Bill three, because the crafters of Senate
Bill three had no dang idea of what they were
(30:52):
talking about. In fact, there was a person who got
up and gave testimony as a gun expert who talked
about unloading and reloading firearm in probably the most dangerous
way I've ever heard in my life, and he was
a purported expert. So I think there is some question
about what will be considered a gas operated semi automatic handgun.
(31:13):
What I've been telling everybody right now is if your
gun has a detachable magazine and it's semi automatic, expect
it to be on the list, whether it's a glock
or not. But we can hope for the best. Another
one here it says, I know I can't buy a
pistol another state due to federal law. But what stops
me with regard to Sene Bill three to go to
Wyoming and buy a semi auto rifle Unless I've missed
(31:34):
something when I read the bill, nothing correct, And that's
primarily correct. I mean I've bought several weapons up in Wyoming, rifles,
that is, semi auto rifles, and I don't think there'd
be anything that would stop you. Now, other than if
Wyoming doesn't want to sell them to you. You know,
Colorado definitely doesn't have a good reputation right now. Another
(31:54):
one here Sheriff, keep up the good work, joining rmgo
after dinner. Another one, I shall Tommy gun. It's one
of the most fun weapons I've ever fired. And I
will second that shooting a Tommy gun it takes you
right into a gangster style movie or old World War
two movie. It's just a cool gun to shoot. The
pace of it is amazing. It's a lot of fun.
(32:16):
And then we'll finish this last text out here. It's
not very flattering, but we read them all. This one
says Dudley is a grifting carnival barker. He bad mouthed
the guys who were behind the Morse and Jeron recalls.
For example, when the recall started, he dismissively said that
their political experience could be measured on an egg timer.
One of the recall board members sent Dudley and egg
(32:37):
timer as a reminder of his work. Look, we just
bring on the guests. I agree with Dudley on a
lot of things. We haven't agreed on everything in the world.
But the same thing with Ryan armagust I agree with
Ryan on a lot of his efforts. I didn't agree
with him on the idea of allowing dreamers or illegal
aliens who have lived here their whole life to try
(33:00):
to figure out how to become law enforcement officers. So
we're going to agree on a lot of things and
disagree on some and that's just the way the world works.
But you know, I can't get to all these texts
because we have the Harley Davison discussion versus Indian, we
have the gun issue, and then Alexis send in some
stuff about different cases over in a rapa hoo, and
(33:20):
it's just it's amazing to me how engaged you guys
are this one from Alexi. I do want to get
to it, says da Amy Patten only gave Robin, I
said a three years probation for line to the court
about having brain cancer. That's the whole back and forth
with Danielle Jerinsky and trying to take her kids away.
Says what's the point of police or DA team investigating
if everyone will just get a slap on the wrist
(33:42):
and a stern look. And you know, in a lot
of cases they're not even going to get a stern look,
and I can tell you, as a law enforcement person
who's been in this line of work for twenty seven
plus years, there's never been a time where I felt
less supported by the criminal justice system. That being said,
I'll be back tomorrow. We're gonna have some governor's candidates on,
and I appreciate everyone for tuning in and listening to
(34:04):
The Dan Kapla Show with Wellcunny Sheriff Steve Rams as
the guest host here on six point thirty k how
We'll see you tomorrow.
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