October 3, 2025 • 35 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
American Way.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's peace through strength and hopefully a bunch of that
about to break out in the Mideast. We'll update you
on that. Three oh three seven one three A two
five five the number text d An five seven seven
three nine. Great to be back. Thank you to Matt
dunfilling in the last couple of days and Ryan heroic
work on the board as we dealt with some technical
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issues during my first day at that conference. So thank
you to everybody for helping out there. Boy, what a
gorgeous Friday, right, I mean, it's hard to even get
too serious in a day like this. And we start
every show like that, right, we start every show like
that on a Friday. We're going to keep it light.
It's Friday afternoon. But it can never stay that way.
And maybe that's just me, Maybe you know that's just
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in my God is not finished with me yet category.
But I think that the problem is that life right now.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Part of it's the media cycle, but part of it's
just life. There's just all this big stuff happening all
the time, and the same is true today. Probably most
serious on the list is Life of a Showgirl. Are
you through the whole album at this point? Have you
been through both the family friendly edition and the not
so family friendly edition?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, I anticipated that you might be talking about this, Dan,
so I reached out to my family expert on the
subject of Taylor Swift, my niece Sonya Skamahorn, and I
asked her had she listened to the album, Yain, and
she said that her dad, my brother in law, and
her are going to listen to it together on the
way back home. She's on fall break now from Hope College.
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I have to imagine that would be the family friendly
version that you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I think it depends how old is your freshman in college.
I guess it depends on the family. We've had this
talk before, right, My dad, tough as they come, college
basketball player, thirty year Chicago police officer, never heard him
swear in his entire life, right, And so now there's
no way that we as a family would sit there
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and listen to anything that had any kind of obscendity
in it, you get some other kind of modern families
and that stuff. It's just like any other word. Yeah,
but I think it just depends on the family. So
that's really interesting because Caroline and I and you know,
we've been doing this Taylor Swift thing together, going to concerts,
et cetera. Since Caroline was a little girl, and she
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and Taylor said to have kind of grown up together
that way. They're different ages. They're about nine years apart.
But yeah, we wanted to listen to it together yesterday,
but Caroline's getting ready for the LSAT and she's a
big part of our trial team in every case I try.
So she was off with me at this conference where
we were talking about this recent trial because she had
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such a major role in that, and she said she
did not want to listen to it until she could
sit down and listen to the whole thing at once.
So I bet there are probably a lot of Taylor
Swift fans like that. I'm not one of them.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
But what it's interesting about that dan is a lot
of music these days, and how it's produced and how
it's distributed has kind of gone back to that single format.
It drops on Spotify or wherever else and then people
tune into that one song. Taylor's one of the few
artists that still kind of compiles albums and has that
as a listening experience that Caroline's talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Well and part of her success, right. And I say
this knowing there's probably nobody listening to us right now,
because I think I'm the only person in this audience
who has anything positive to say about Taylor Swift. But
I do. There are so many great father daughter moments
we've had together. And one thing I hope people keep
in mind as they rip me for going to her
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concerts is there is nothing political at her concerts. With
our daughter, I've been to her concerts now Here, everyone, here, Omaha, Chicago.
There's never been a political word spoken at her concerts.
There's a very positive vibe. I think the world needs
more of that. But what I will say is this,
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she A big part of her success has been the storytelling, right.
Her songs tell stories. I think I think God created
us to respond to stories. It's a big way we learn.
We're attracted to stories. Christ taught in parables, and so
she's a storyteller. With their songs. I don't know about
this album because I haven't heard it. The only other
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thing I want to say about that, unless somebody else
wants to text on it d A N five seven
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her audience, right her audience has all these preteens and
all these young kids, and then of course it spans
up to adults. But for the preteen type parents, you know,
her the art for this Life of a Showgirl album
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and all of the promo with it, it's pretty risque.
I mean, it's nothing even remotely obscene, but it's not
the kind of thing if I had a young girl,
I would want her emulating.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I've got breaking news. Yes, my niece, who again is
as big of a Taylor Swift fan I believe, I
suggest as Caroline is there top of the heat. You know,
loves all our music, has all our albums, and I
believe she's talking about the album. When my niece Sonya
just texted me it was horrible, crying emoji interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
We'll get her on. I'd love to hear from right now,
because you during the show prep, I didn't spend a
whole lot of time on the Taylor Swift part. But
I did see some of that popping up, and I
just didn't know if that was haters on X or
if that's the response to the album. I know that
I can really trust, Like you can trust your niece,
I can trust my daughter on this because you know
she's a big fan. She's going to give Taylor Swift
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every benefit of the doubt. Dan, let me understand this
Taylor Shift is bragging about being a slought ie showgirl.
She is still a hero to you. I worked her concerts,
not political. You must be kidding. I hope this person
calls the show. I'd love to have the conversation, and
we might start with hearing aids. We might start with
a GoFundMe for some hearing aids for our great texter here.
(06:11):
Still a hero to me? When did I say that?
When did I say Taylor Swift was a hero to me? Yeah,
So we can do a little fundraiser there, my friend,
give us a call. I worked for concerts, not politically.
You must be kidding. I'd love to know what concerts
you worked. I have been every one of her concerts,
but I think since she was very young, have been
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to every Taylor's Swift concert in Denver, and I haven't
heard a political word spoken from her ever in a concert.
Not do I like the fact that she does this
far left stuff Outside of that, No, I'd rather she didn't.
But am I going to stop going to Nuggets games?
You know? Our firm is very proud to be the
official law firm of the Nuggets and the Avalanche. Should
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we not do that deal? Because there are some Nuggets
and some Avs who have different political views in mind,
and God forbid they use their platform to voice those
Listen I've said along, I really respect athletes in this example,
or entertainers who try to be about more than themselves,
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even if I disagree with them on issues. God gives
you that talent, You have a platform, you believe in
your heart that this issue is one you need to
speak out on, even if I think polar opposite, even
if you're going against your own faith with your position.
I just respect the fact that people are willing to
try to be about something more than themselves and then
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hopefully can be persuaded to flip. I mean, I've changed
so many things in my life, so many positions in
my life. I've quote evolved as the woke would say
on over the years, and a big part of that,
I think anybody should deserve credit for going from a
wrong position to a right position. Big part of that
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for me, I don't know what your experience has been.
Young Ryan obviously does a very successful talk show two
to four each afternoon on six point thirty Kids w
in Denver. But a big part of me getting it
right has been going on air, because when I went
on air with my first real show about somewhere close
to thirty years ago, I had some sincerely held beliefs
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on a number of different issues, and those could not
withstand the scrutiny of the callers. Not that I'm afraid
of any caller afraid of being criticized, quite the opposite.
You know, let's face a you can criticize me for
whatever you want to criticize for me, but you got
to be pretty fearless to go on air if you're
going to have these honest conversations, because what it's going
to mean is when I'm wrong, there's going to be
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nowhere to hide. And that's what happened. When I first
went on air, I had a lot of positions, such
as my pro life position, that are absolutely true and
bulletproof and going to win that argument every time, not
because of me, but because the facts. And then there
were some other positions on guns, for example, gun laws,
et cetera, where I held these sincere beliefs and these
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well motivated, well motivated beliefs, but they could not stand
up to logical debate and argument, and so over time
those changed. So I don't give up on any of
these celebrities who are out there now with this. Let's
say take Taylor Swift. She's out there now with this
pro abortion position, dead wrong. Literally, I'm not giving up
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on her. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the
day she gets the ultrasound, you know, of her first child,
if she changes her position. Just can't give up on
people three or three someone three eight, two, five five?
Are you able to bump back with any of that music?
I haven't heard any of the music off show Girls.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
He usually goes immediately to Spotify.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Look, okay, great, And I don't know whether the better
tease is we'll bump back with some Taylor Swift Showgirls
or we won't. But I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So Texao either Texa with the and she can't come
on the air, but she does have a paragraph here
I can read after the break.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, let's do that, and then I want to talk
about what is going on right now with the Mid
East and Gaza and is this real hope or is
a typical bait and switch from the evil that is
Hamas You're on the Dan Caplas Show.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And now back to the Dan Kapless Show podcast. The
two released, right, that's correct. This is opal lighte the
one song my niece Sonya said she liked after listening
to the album the first time through.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
But her review overall is concerning.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
She said she wasn't able to come on the air,
but she says it was just such a bad selection
of beats. I only liked one song, lol, opal Light.
The other ones made no sense or were just boring.
Maybe it'll grow on me, but first impressions were not great.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Wow, and she's a real fan.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Oh as big as it gets, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, And I imagine by Monday we'll left Caroline's too,
so we'll have a little better idea. Three or three
someone three eight two five five text d A N
five seven seven three nine. This Taylor Swift talk always
leads interesting places too, right, like whether it's wrong for
a conservative like me, a pro life or like me
to spend money to go to a Taylor Swift concert
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with my daughter, and you know all my arguments as
to why it's not wrong. But I love hearing from
the other side on that text from my sister Mary,
who is a I'm sure she'd agree, left leaning or
hardcore Democrat back in the Chicago area, phenomenal person and
school teacher. She writes, I'm sure I'm not the first
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person who has said that, but the power of and
and the tyranny of ar people can disagree politically and
appreciate their music. I just wholeheartedly believe in that. I
also believe that that our marching orders, like from the
Big Boss, our marching order are to love each other,
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you know, hate the sin, love the sinner, you know,
and want that in return as well. And that doesn't
mean tolerate, doesn't mean accept what we should not accept,
stop fighting on what we should keep fighting, but it
means love each other in the process and do our
best to persuade. Mike and Broomfields are on the Dame
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Kaplis Show. Welcome.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Oh hey, Dan, just real quick on Taylor Swift. It's
politics aside.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
One thing.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I don't think people.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Even really know about this, but I think it.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Was twenty three, twenty twenty three Christmas bonus one hundred
thousand dollars check to every one of her semi drivers.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Nice, which that's insane, a huge rollout.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
They got three different stages going on.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
It was a big deal.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So nice. This is one of the things I just.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Wanted to throw out there.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Thanks man, I love hearing that. Thank you, Mike, appreciate that,
and that says so much.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Right. It's kind of like, I'm sure you.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Got this advice to Ryan when you got to dating age.
You know, just just look at how the girl you're
going out with treats the waitress.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Oh yeah, and in reverse, I know that a lot
of women have eyes on maybe how I treat service staff,
and I'm always You and I both come from a
background though, where we've done those jobs, and I think
that helps where you can relate. You have empathy. You're like, man,
I remember when I was swimming and I had five
tables going, so you have perspective to go they're having
a rough night, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, and it's there are two jobs I haven't done
yet that I really want to do, and I think
I've done some really tough jobs like cleaning bathrooms and
a chemical plant. You know, stuff like that sounds dangerous.
Probably was, She probably explains a lot, right, But I've
always wanted to be a waiter and just haven't gotten
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around to it because once I became a lawyer, my
concern was that, you know, it might shake my client
it's confidence perception. Yeah, if I've got a second job
as a waiter and listen, waiters, fantastic job. We'll make
a lot of money, tremendous professionals doing a great service,
really demanding obviously, so highest respect for waiters and waitresses.
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I'm just saying that if your full time day job is,
you know, a trial lawyer, it might make people concerned
if they have to have that second job.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Why does he have to have this job?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Not the job itself, but just having to have the
second job and driving uber One of these days, I'm
going to do it.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I've done. I've done both of those things, the Uber
Lyft driving a lot more recently. And you'd be great
at either. You have the demeanor and the temperament I
think to really put people at ease, and I think
that's very important in both of those jobs you cite.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
No, I appreciate that. The other thing I think I'd
enjoy about it is, Okay, you know, I've been working
a few years now so been able to save up
a couple of acorns. So if I'm working either job
and somebody's just blankhead, I can just tell them, right, Yeah,
we'll just tell.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Them where you just went with that. There's a show
I don't know if it's still on, but it's called
Undercover Boss, and you could like dress up in character.
Is like you know not you not Dan capls how
you normally present yourself as a lawyer, but do the
waiter job. Maybe have a disguise or do drive, you.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Know, really just try out a whole different persona all.
It could be kind of alter ego, Dan. That could
be kind of fun. Yeah, go back to the motorcycle days,
long hair.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Wait a minute, Hold that won't be great. Do you
have a photo of that?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
No, man, it was I am the luckiest guy in
the world that we did not have cell phone cameras
back then. Oh my goodness, Dan, if we have a
deal with Hamas, Trump should go on the end of
the Oval office and get on live TV. I expect
that will eventually happen. If there is a real deal.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
There's an announcement that Hamas has agreed to some of
the list of terms, that they've got some conditions like
they always do.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
And yeah, you're literally negotiating with the devil, right, yep.
But Trump for doing everything he can to try and
I love the way he set this up, which is
pretty much agree or die, right, which is what you
should be seeing to evil, agree or die. And so
he's given them until Sunday. And yeah, but yeah, I
can't believe a word Hamas says. Obviously, in any kind
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of peace agreement, everything would have to be enforced and verified.
But Trump has asked. And the reason it's worth the
second of your time, I think is Trump has asked Israel.
At this point, they're told Israel to stop the bombing
of Gaza while they try to finalize this deal. So
just want to let you know that was in the
mix Sean Diddy Combs getting a little over four years.
(16:40):
How'd you feel about that sentence? We'll get your take
on that. Any reaction to that Ryan, I think the
presumptive presumptive was five to six.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I think from the outset, in terms of the charges
of what he did earn convictions on, it was a
little lighter than it could have been. From the very outset,
the sentencing seems about a appropriate But then I wonder,
like how much time served already will count toward that,
if he'll be eligible for early release, parole, that sort
of thing, and how much of that four years and
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two months he will actually have to serve.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
And from everything I've seen, he gave a really compelling statement.
Can't say it's true, but a very compelling statement about
how substance has caused him to be out of control,
and now that he's been incarcerated, you know he's changed
in this and that, and I do believe that can happen.
I don't know if it's happened with him, but I
do believe it can happen. And I think how he
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is now, you know, behind bars, will probably have something
to do with when he gets out too. But we
will find out together. I think everybody who's seen that
horrible video and we can all know that's a tip
of the iceberg right of him beating that woman in
the hallway. Yeah, I would think, Okay, that guy's going
to go to jail and then just hope that he
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changes and rehabilitates. And isn't it kind of I mean,
you look at something like that and then you just
have to realize if if lefties were winning, right, I mean,
obviously they control Colorado right now, and you can see
the price we pay for that. But if lefties were
winning everywhere, if leftis were on the kind of role
that the right is on right now, we would be
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very well on our way to legalize prostitution. And think
about what that would do to society, right because you know,
you know, if the left ever really took power, Yeah,
one way or the other, we would be on the
way to legalize prostitution. There are so many things that
can just tipping point of society into doom very very quickly,
and that would be one of them.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And five seven seven three nine you're on the Dan
Kapla Show.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Walk up music for our next guest, the Abbi Johnson.
The website is abbij dot com. Everybody knows Abby at
this point, former play and Parenthood director now a hero
of the pro life movement, the major motion picture Unplanned
documenting her journey, and Abby is not happy today. Welcome back, Abby, Hi,
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thanks for having me, well, thanks for being here. Tell
everybody what's going on. I was very surprised to see it.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, So the FDA has approved a generic form of
missa pristone. Miss pristone is the first drug in a
two step abortion till process that will chemically kill, chemically
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abort a baby. And so we have had mith Appratice,
which has been made by Janco for many years now,
over two decades, and that's been on the market for
a long time, and that is currently under in investigation.
It was fast tracked through the FDA many years ago,
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did not go through all of the proper trials and
did not have all the checks and balances that you know,
any other medication would have something, you know, like for
weight loss or you know, blood pressure, high cholesterol. But
they fast tracked this because it was for abortion, and
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the abortion industry gets, for whatever reason, some kind of
a strange path on these sorts of things. And now,
even though we've had promises from President Trump and Bobby
Kennedy and others in this administration. They allowed the FDA
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to approve this generic form, which of course drives costs
down for the abortion industry. Does not mean it's going
to be cheaper for the consumer, but we'll certainly create
a larger profit for these abortion centers.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
So why did they do this? I mean, short of
it being legally compelled, and there's no litigation pending that
I'm aware of, why did they do this?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I don't know, Dan, I mean, that's a good question.
This administration had every right to go to the FDA
and say, you know, we need to put this on pause.
There's you know, currently we're investigating mithi pristone, we're investigating mithoprex,
you know, whether we need to hold back on this,
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So let's not move forward with the generic approval right
now until we, you know, get back all this information
about mythoprex. But they did not do that. They allowed
this to move forward. And you know, I was on
another show earlier today talking about this, and you know,
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came to me the other day that you know, if
you watch cable TV or really any anything, there's going
to be some sort of pharmaceutical commercial come on. And
at the end of these pharmaceutical commercials, there's always, uh,
you know, a list of possible side effects, right that
makes you really want to take that drug, right, And
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so there's always just this extensive list of possible side
effects that you could you could get from taking it.
And a lot of times with these drugs, and it
could be something for diabetes, right, But at the end
it will almost always say it will list some sort
of mood disorder, right, so it could increase possibility of depression,
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it could increase, uh, you know, possibility of suicidal ideation
or something like that. There's always some usually some sort
of emotional component. And that got me thinking about this
particular drug. There has never been ever, ever, ever in history,
any sort of any sort of academic publication, peer reviewed
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publication about the short term or long term side effects
of this particular drug.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
And that's crazy, unheard of, crazy, crazy, Abby Jansen.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
We have no idea, we have no idea what this
is doing to women. I mean, I think we need
but it goes back to say, nothing academically published.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
But it goes back to the point, and you've seen
this right from both sides, your heroic journey to life,
from being a planned parento director the left. Certainly the
abortion industry leading the way doesn't give a damn about women.
That doesn't it doesn't care about women, doesn't care about
women's health, doesn't care about killing you know, seven hundred
and fifty thousand to a million females a year that
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the last thing they care about is is women. But
this is just so bizarre to me because to me,
President Trump has been the greatest pro life president of
my lifetime. But that this move is like the Lincoln
administration lowering the price of change to enslave people with it.
It just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, well, we heard President Trump in this past election
cycle say that he would do nothing to ban any
form of abortion, including chemical abortion, you know, this medication process,
including late term abortion. He said that very clearly that
he would do nothing to ban abortion. He also said
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that he would do nothing to inhibit the sale or
distribution of medication abortion, which includes this are forty six
A Smith A PRIs Stone pill. I think there were
a lot of people that were kind of hoping that
he was just saying that to get elected. I'm a
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person that kind of believes people when they say something.
I've never known President Donald Trump to say something that
he didn't really mean. I think he's a man that
believes the things that he says, and he said he
was not going to do anything to limit the sale
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of this drug, and he is not. In fact, it
was just several months ago that he affirmed Biden's previous
ruling on the allowance of chemical abortion to be mailed
into all fifty states. Well, so I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I don't know. I don't know that he is actually
the pro life champion that we thought he was. I
think he went into this election in twenty sixteen being
a person that was not a politician. I think that's
why everyone loved him. He was a businessman, he wanted
to fix these things. He believed what he believed. I
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think that he has come out of this now a politician.
I think he's come out of this compromising with various groups,
compromising on ideals. And I think that's where we are
right now.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You know, Abbie Johnson, our guest, I think there's another
possibility here, Abby, And either way, I stand by my
view that he's been the most pro life president of
my lifetime, even if he's pro choice. And when he
ran in sixteen, I viewed him as a pro choice candidate,
and then when he won the nomination, I was all
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in and support of him, and I'm glad I was
because at least with him, we had a chance. And
then to me, he delivered. He delivered in a bigger
way than any other president in my lifetime for the
pro life cause. Doesn't mean he's pro life himself, but
what I care about most, and Lord knows you've lived
your life this way is saving the babies. And he
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did more to save babies than any president in my lifetime.
Whether or not he actually is pro life at heart.
And then what I saw on folding in the last campaign,
it sounds like you and I probably agree on this
is I think his campaign was very, very concerned he
could lose the election over the fact that he had
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been such a strong pro life president. And I think
they did take some positions, you know, based on politics,
that they thought were necessary to win. I don't like that.
I wish they hadn't. I wish they weren't doing what
they were doing now. But on balanced body of work,
I can't think of a more pro life president. I
can think of presidents who talked pro life, But I
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can't think of one who actually made sure they appointed
enough pro life justices that you know, Roe would be overturned.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah, it's been interesting, you know. I think I Row
being overturned has been sort of an interesting struggle as well.
I look now at our country, see where we are
since Roe has been overturned. Abortion in this nation is up. Now.
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We have about almost a dozen states that have ratified
their state constitutions to include the right to abortion. We
did not have that before Row. Now we do. Late
term abortion is now at a historically high level, so
we're killing more babies in the viable stages of pregnancy
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than we ever have been. Now chemical abortions are able
to be mailed into all fifty states. I can affirmatively
tell you that the pro abortion movement was ready for
Road to be overturned. They are always ready. They are
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always ready for whatever we throw with them, because they
are always on the offensive. Movement is they're always on
the defensive.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Boy Abbie, if you're able to stay, I'd love you too,
because I respectfully disagree very strongly with a couple of
those assumptions, Because I think the pro abortion movement is
getting their asses kicked, and I think pro life is
winning and winning big and I think the fall of
Roe ensures that we will win. And I know you've
(29:25):
devoted so much of your life to this cause. You're
a true hero of the life movement. But if you
can stay for a segment, I just have to get
out in the next eight seconds or they'll turn us
all off. Abby Johnson kind enough to be with us,
really important conversation. You're on the Dan Caplas Show.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Prince and another great talent, Abbi Johnson, one of the
true heroes of the pro life movement. It's fun to actually,
after all these years, Abby have a little disagreement on something.
That's kind of fun. Yeah. So if for those who
weren't with us in the last segment, then Abby was
kind enough to stay for a second, I'll sum it up.
Tell me if I'm wrong, Abby, that your position as well.
Wait a second, you know, the fall of Row has
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also caused some real challenges, and the pro abortion movement
was ready and there are a lot of, you know,
bad things happening on the life side since the fall
of Row. I don't think you've taken the position that
you'd still rather have Row, and then yeah, yeah, and
then I've taken the other position. I think my exact
quote was that, you know, the pro abortion movement are
(30:33):
getting their asses kicked since the fall of Row, and
I think it's it's the greatest thing ever happened for
the movement. So we'll reset and and we'll start there.
But my quick twenty second summary of that, Abby is
the reason I respectfully disagree here is because we all
pro lifers, regardless of politics or anything else, because we
are right on the facts. We're right on the medical facts,
(30:55):
we're right on the basic morality separate apart from any religion,
and my belief that people you know across the spectrum
are inherently good people because we're so provably right on
all of this. Once Roe fell and we can actually
state by state have the great debate, I am absolutely
certain life is eventually going to win, if not everywhere,
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virtually everywhere whereas if roasted, in effect, we could never
have the great debate.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, I think the problem I have is that this
should not be a states rights issue because I believe
abortion is murder, and we have a federal statue against
murder in our country. Murder is not a state by
state issue. We know in every state murder is illegal.
(31:50):
There's not a state that doesn't categorize murder as a crime.
There's a federal statue against, you know, killing bald eagles.
You could go to prison for that. There's a federal
statute against harming sea turtles or sea turtle eggs. But
you can kill a baby in California, but you're not
(32:15):
supposed to in Texas. And I think we're at an
incredibly important time in the pro life movement because we
are in a very inconsistent space.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And we.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Have to reconcile this somehow in the pro life movement,
and it's going to take time, and it's going to
take a lot of discussion, and I think discussions like
this where we have to decide do we actually believe
abortion is murder? Do we actually believe that killing a
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two year old child outside of the womb is the
same as killing a two month child inside of the womb?
Or do we not? Because if we do, as we
have been saying, that we do believe that is true,
if we actually do believe that is true, then now
is the time for the pro life movement. Now that
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Row has been overturned, and we do have this flexibility,
and we do have the opportunity to go on the offensive.
We finally have the opportunity to not be flat on
our backs anymore. Now is the opportunity for us to
rise up and say this is what we actually believe,
and now we're going to do something about it. Now
we're going to act on it. And I just I haven't.
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We have not done that yet. And so as a
result of that, abortions continue to increase. We have this
chemical abortion spreading into all fifty states. Here alone, in
the state of Texas, over thirty six thousand women flew
out of state to have abortions. Women are dying, We
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have an increased number of abortion depths because of these
chemical abortion pills in particular. So while I agree that
overturning Row was right, because Roe should have never been
in place at all, I just think that we maybe
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weren't quite ready for the fallout that was going to
take place. I don't think anyone in the pro life
movement and even the pro life legislative space, I don't
think anybody was ready. I don't think anybody predicted that
the states were going to start ratifying their state constitutions
(34:56):
to protect abortion through all nine months of pregnancy state
by state.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I don't think they.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Knew that was coming, and now it will be near
impossible to undo that.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Well, and that's where again i'd respectfully disagree in this sense,
and I apologize. We only have another minute in the segment.
But once row falls and there is the chance to
actually legislate state by state, then sure these states now
and they're the toughest nuts to crack, right like Colorado,
And I'm sorry we're up against that music, but there's
still the chance to win the debate in those states
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over time, and I'd rather have that chance than be
where we were.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Abby.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I hope we can continue this.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I hope it.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Always love talking to you and what you've accomplished for
the civil rights movement of our lifetime is stunning. So
thank you. It's ABBYJA dot Com, Abby Johnson.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
We'll co back.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
We'll talk about that and much more, including Taylor Swift
on The Dan Capla Show.
This is Dan Caples and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
American Way.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's peace through strength and hopefully a bunch of that
about to break out in the Mideast. We'll update you
on that. Three oh three seven one three A two
five five the number text d An five seven seven
three nine. Great to be back. Thank you to Matt
dunfilling in the last couple of days and Ryan heroic
work on the board as we dealt with some technical
(00:37):
issues during my first day at that conference. So thank
you to everybody for helping out there. Boy, what a
gorgeous Friday, right, I mean, it's hard to even get
too serious in a day like this. And we start
every show like that, right, we start every show like
that on a Friday. We're going to keep it light.
It's Friday afternoon. But it can never stay that way.
And maybe that's just me, Maybe you know that's just
(01:00):
in my God is not finished with me yet category.
But I think that the problem is that life right now.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Part of it's the media cycle, but part of it's
just life. There's just all this big stuff happening all
the time, and the same is true today. Probably most
serious on the list is Life of a Showgirl. Are
you through the whole album at this point? Have you
been through both the family friendly edition and the not
so family friendly edition?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, I anticipated that you might be talking about this, Dan,
so I reached out to my family expert on the
subject of Taylor Swift, my niece Sonya Skamahorn, and I
asked her had she listened to the album, Yain, and
she said that her dad, my brother in law, and
her are going to listen to it together on the
way back home. She's on fall break now from Hope College.
(01:47):
I have to imagine that would be the family friendly
version that you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I think it depends how old is your freshman in college.
I guess it depends on the family. We've had this
talk before, right, My dad, tough as they come, college
basketball player, thirty year Chicago police officer, never heard him
swear in his entire life, right, And so now there's
no way that we as a family would sit there
(02:11):
and listen to anything that had any kind of obscendity
in it, you get some other kind of modern families
and that stuff. It's just like any other word. Yeah,
but I think it just depends on the family. So
that's really interesting because Caroline and I and you know,
we've been doing this Taylor Swift thing together, going to concerts,
et cetera. Since Caroline was a little girl, and she
(02:35):
and Taylor said to have kind of grown up together
that way. They're different ages. They're about nine years apart.
But yeah, we wanted to listen to it together yesterday,
but Caroline's getting ready for the LSAT and she's a
big part of our trial team in every case I try.
So she was off with me at this conference where
we were talking about this recent trial because she had
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such a major role in that, and she said she
did not want to listen to it until she could
sit down and listen to the whole thing at once.
So I bet there are probably a lot of Taylor
Swift fans like that. I'm not one of them.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
But what it's interesting about that dan is a lot
of music these days, and how it's produced and how
it's distributed has kind of gone back to that single format.
It drops on Spotify or wherever else and then people
tune into that one song. Taylor's one of the few
artists that still kind of compiles albums and has that
as a listening experience that Caroline's talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Well and part of her success, right. And I say
this knowing there's probably nobody listening to us right now,
because I think I'm the only person in this audience
who has anything positive to say about Taylor Swift. But
I do. There are so many great father daughter moments
we've had together. And one thing I hope people keep
in mind as they rip me for going to her
(03:49):
concerts is there is nothing political at her concerts. With
our daughter, I've been to her concerts now Here, everyone, here, Omaha, Chicago.
There's never been a political word spoken at her concerts.
There's a very positive vibe. I think the world needs
more of that. But what I will say is this,
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she A big part of her success has been the storytelling, right.
Her songs tell stories. I think I think God created
us to respond to stories. It's a big way we learn.
We're attracted to stories. Christ taught in parables, and so
she's a storyteller. With their songs. I don't know about
this album because I haven't heard it. The only other
(04:32):
thing I want to say about that, unless somebody else
wants to text on it d A N five seven
seven three nine is I would just, you know, because
her audience, right her audience has all these preteens and
all these young kids, and then of course it spans
up to adults. But for the preteen type parents, you know,
her the art for this Life of a Showgirl album
(04:56):
and all of the promo with it, it's pretty risque.
I mean, it's nothing even remotely obscene, but it's not
the kind of thing if I had a young girl,
I would want her emulating.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I've got breaking news. Yes, my niece, who again is
as big of a Taylor Swift fan I believe, I
suggest as Caroline is there top of the heat. You know,
loves all our music, has all our albums, and I
believe she's talking about the album. When my niece Sonya
just texted me it was horrible, crying emoji interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
We'll get her on. I'd love to hear from right now,
because you during the show prep, I didn't spend a
whole lot of time on the Taylor Swift part. But
I did see some of that popping up, and I
just didn't know if that was haters on X or
if that's the response to the album. I know that
I can really trust, Like you can trust your niece,
I can trust my daughter on this because you know
she's a big fan. She's going to give Taylor Swift
(05:48):
every benefit of the doubt. Dan, let me understand this
Taylor Shift is bragging about being a slought ie showgirl.
She is still a hero to you. I worked her concerts,
not political. You must be kidding. I hope this person
calls the show. I'd love to have the conversation, and
we might start with hearing aids. We might start with
a GoFundMe for some hearing aids for our great texter here.
(06:11):
Still a hero to me? When did I say that?
When did I say Taylor Swift was a hero to me? Yeah,
So we can do a little fundraiser there, my friend,
give us a call. I worked for concerts, not politically.
You must be kidding. I'd love to know what concerts
you worked. I have been every one of her concerts,
but I think since she was very young, have been
(06:32):
to every Taylor's Swift concert in Denver, and I haven't
heard a political word spoken from her ever in a concert.
Not do I like the fact that she does this
far left stuff Outside of that, No, I'd rather she didn't.
But am I going to stop going to Nuggets games?
You know? Our firm is very proud to be the
official law firm of the Nuggets and the Avalanche. Should
(06:54):
we not do that deal? Because there are some Nuggets
and some Avs who have different political views in mind,
and God forbid they use their platform to voice those
Listen I've said along, I really respect athletes in this example,
or entertainers who try to be about more than themselves,
(07:15):
even if I disagree with them on issues. God gives
you that talent, You have a platform, you believe in
your heart that this issue is one you need to
speak out on, even if I think polar opposite, even
if you're going against your own faith with your position.
I just respect the fact that people are willing to
try to be about something more than themselves and then
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hopefully can be persuaded to flip. I mean, I've changed
so many things in my life, so many positions in
my life. I've quote evolved as the woke would say
on over the years, and a big part of that,
I think anybody should deserve credit for going from a
wrong position to a right position. Big part of that
(07:57):
for me, I don't know what your experience has been.
Young Ryan obviously does a very successful talk show two
to four each afternoon on six point thirty Kids w
in Denver. But a big part of me getting it
right has been going on air, because when I went
on air with my first real show about somewhere close
to thirty years ago, I had some sincerely held beliefs
(08:20):
on a number of different issues, and those could not
withstand the scrutiny of the callers. Not that I'm afraid
of any caller afraid of being criticized, quite the opposite.
You know, let's face a you can criticize me for
whatever you want to criticize for me, but you got
to be pretty fearless to go on air if you're
going to have these honest conversations, because what it's going
to mean is when I'm wrong, there's going to be
(08:42):
nowhere to hide. And that's what happened. When I first
went on air, I had a lot of positions, such
as my pro life position, that are absolutely true and
bulletproof and going to win that argument every time, not
because of me, but because the facts. And then there
were some other positions on guns, for example, gun laws,
et cetera, where I held these sincere beliefs and these
(09:06):
well motivated, well motivated beliefs, but they could not stand
up to logical debate and argument, and so over time
those changed. So I don't give up on any of
these celebrities who are out there now with this. Let's
say take Taylor Swift. She's out there now with this
pro abortion position, dead wrong. Literally, I'm not giving up
(09:29):
on her. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the
day she gets the ultrasound, you know, of her first child,
if she changes her position. Just can't give up on
people three or three someone three eight, two, five five?
Are you able to bump back with any of that music?
I haven't heard any of the music off show Girls.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
He usually goes immediately to Spotify.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Look, okay, great, And I don't know whether the better
tease is we'll bump back with some Taylor Swift Showgirls
or we won't. But I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So Texao either Texa with the and she can't come
on the air, but she does have a paragraph here
I can read after the break.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, let's do that, and then I want to talk
about what is going on right now with the Mid
East and Gaza and is this real hope or is
a typical bait and switch from the evil that is
Hamas You're on the Dan Caplas Show.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And now back to the Dan Kapless Show podcast. The
two released, right, that's correct. This is opal lighte the
one song my niece Sonya said she liked after listening
to the album the first time through.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
But her review overall is concerning.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
She said she wasn't able to come on the air,
but she says it was just such a bad selection
of beats. I only liked one song, lol, opal Light.
The other ones made no sense or were just boring.
Maybe it'll grow on me, but first impressions were not great.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Wow, and she's a real fan.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Oh as big as it gets, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, And I imagine by Monday we'll left Caroline's too,
so we'll have a little better idea. Three or three
someone three eight two five five text d A N
five seven seven three nine. This Taylor Swift talk always
leads interesting places too, right, like whether it's wrong for
a conservative like me, a pro life or like me
to spend money to go to a Taylor Swift concert
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with my daughter, and you know all my arguments as
to why it's not wrong. But I love hearing from
the other side on that text from my sister Mary,
who is a I'm sure she'd agree, left leaning or
hardcore Democrat back in the Chicago area, phenomenal person and
school teacher. She writes, I'm sure I'm not the first
(11:39):
person who has said that, but the power of and
and the tyranny of ar people can disagree politically and
appreciate their music. I just wholeheartedly believe in that. I
also believe that that our marching orders, like from the
Big Boss, our marching order are to love each other,
(12:03):
you know, hate the sin, love the sinner, you know,
and want that in return as well. And that doesn't
mean tolerate, doesn't mean accept what we should not accept,
stop fighting on what we should keep fighting, but it
means love each other in the process and do our
best to persuade. Mike and Broomfields are on the Dame
(12:23):
Kaplis Show. Welcome.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Oh hey, Dan, just real quick on Taylor Swift. It's
politics aside.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
One thing.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I don't think people.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Even really know about this, but I think it.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Was twenty three, twenty twenty three Christmas bonus one hundred
thousand dollars check to every one of her semi drivers.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Nice, which that's insane, a huge rollout.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
They got three different stages going on.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
It was a big deal.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So nice. This is one of the things I just.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Wanted to throw out there.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Thanks man, I love hearing that. Thank you, Mike, appreciate that,
and that says so much.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Right. It's kind of like, I'm sure you.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Got this advice to Ryan when you got to dating age.
You know, just just look at how the girl you're
going out with treats the waitress.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Oh yeah, and in reverse, I know that a lot
of women have eyes on maybe how I treat service staff,
and I'm always You and I both come from a
background though, where we've done those jobs, and I think
that helps where you can relate. You have empathy. You're like, man,
I remember when I was swimming and I had five
tables going, so you have perspective to go they're having
a rough night, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, and it's there are two jobs I haven't done
yet that I really want to do, and I think
I've done some really tough jobs like cleaning bathrooms and
a chemical plant. You know, stuff like that sounds dangerous.
Probably was, She probably explains a lot, right, But I've
always wanted to be a waiter and just haven't gotten
(13:51):
around to it because once I became a lawyer, my
concern was that, you know, it might shake my client
it's confidence perception. Yeah, if I've got a second job
as a waiter and listen, waiters, fantastic job. We'll make
a lot of money, tremendous professionals doing a great service,
really demanding obviously, so highest respect for waiters and waitresses.
(14:12):
I'm just saying that if your full time day job is,
you know, a trial lawyer, it might make people concerned
if they have to have that second job.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Why does he have to have this job?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Not the job itself, but just having to have the
second job and driving uber One of these days, I'm
going to do it.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I've done. I've done both of those things, the Uber
Lyft driving a lot more recently. And you'd be great
at either. You have the demeanor and the temperament I
think to really put people at ease, and I think
that's very important in both of those jobs you cite.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
No, I appreciate that. The other thing I think I'd
enjoy about it is, Okay, you know, I've been working
a few years now so been able to save up
a couple of acorns. So if I'm working either job
and somebody's just blankhead, I can just tell them, right, Yeah,
we'll just tell.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Them where you just went with that. There's a show
I don't know if it's still on, but it's called
Undercover Boss, and you could like dress up in character.
Is like you know not you not Dan capls how
you normally present yourself as a lawyer, but do the
waiter job. Maybe have a disguise or do drive, you.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Know, really just try out a whole different persona all.
It could be kind of alter ego, Dan. That could
be kind of fun. Yeah, go back to the motorcycle days,
long hair.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Wait a minute, Hold that won't be great. Do you
have a photo of that?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
No, man, it was I am the luckiest guy in
the world that we did not have cell phone cameras
back then. Oh my goodness, Dan, if we have a
deal with Hamas, Trump should go on the end of
the Oval office and get on live TV. I expect
that will eventually happen. If there is a real deal.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
There's an announcement that Hamas has agreed to some of
the list of terms, that they've got some conditions like
they always do.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
And yeah, you're literally negotiating with the devil, right, yep.
But Trump for doing everything he can to try and
I love the way he set this up, which is
pretty much agree or die, right, which is what you
should be seeing to evil, agree or die. And so
he's given them until Sunday. And yeah, but yeah, I
can't believe a word Hamas says. Obviously, in any kind
(16:17):
of peace agreement, everything would have to be enforced and verified.
But Trump has asked. And the reason it's worth the
second of your time, I think is Trump has asked Israel.
At this point, they're told Israel to stop the bombing
of Gaza while they try to finalize this deal. So
just want to let you know that was in the
mix Sean Diddy Combs getting a little over four years.
(16:40):
How'd you feel about that sentence? We'll get your take
on that. Any reaction to that Ryan, I think the
presumptive presumptive was five to six.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I think from the outset, in terms of the charges
of what he did earn convictions on, it was a
little lighter than it could have been. From the very outset,
the sentencing seems about a appropriate But then I wonder,
like how much time served already will count toward that,
if he'll be eligible for early release, parole, that sort
of thing, and how much of that four years and
(17:10):
two months he will actually have to serve.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
And from everything I've seen, he gave a really compelling statement.
Can't say it's true, but a very compelling statement about
how substance has caused him to be out of control,
and now that he's been incarcerated, you know he's changed
in this and that, and I do believe that can happen.
I don't know if it's happened with him, but I
do believe it can happen. And I think how he
(17:33):
is now, you know, behind bars, will probably have something
to do with when he gets out too. But we
will find out together. I think everybody who's seen that
horrible video and we can all know that's a tip
of the iceberg right of him beating that woman in
the hallway. Yeah, I would think, Okay, that guy's going
to go to jail and then just hope that he
(17:53):
changes and rehabilitates. And isn't it kind of I mean,
you look at something like that and then you just
have to realize if if lefties were winning, right, I mean,
obviously they control Colorado right now, and you can see
the price we pay for that. But if lefties were
winning everywhere, if leftis were on the kind of role
that the right is on right now, we would be
(18:14):
very well on our way to legalize prostitution. And think
about what that would do to society, right because you know,
you know, if the left ever really took power, Yeah,
one way or the other, we would be on the
way to legalize prostitution. There are so many things that
can just tipping point of society into doom very very quickly,
and that would be one of them.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And five seven seven three nine you're on the Dan
Kapla Show.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Walk up music for our next guest, the Abbi Johnson.
The website is abbij dot com. Everybody knows Abby at
this point, former play and Parenthood director now a hero
of the pro life movement, the major motion picture Unplanned
documenting her journey, and Abby is not happy today. Welcome back, Abby, Hi,
(19:13):
thanks for having me, well, thanks for being here. Tell
everybody what's going on. I was very surprised to see it.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, So the FDA has approved a generic form of
missa pristone. Miss pristone is the first drug in a
two step abortion till process that will chemically kill, chemically
(19:42):
abort a baby. And so we have had mith Appratice,
which has been made by Janco for many years now,
over two decades, and that's been on the market for
a long time, and that is currently under in investigation.
It was fast tracked through the FDA many years ago,
(20:04):
did not go through all of the proper trials and
did not have all the checks and balances that you know,
any other medication would have something, you know, like for
weight loss or you know, blood pressure, high cholesterol. But
they fast tracked this because it was for abortion, and
(20:27):
the abortion industry gets, for whatever reason, some kind of
a strange path on these sorts of things. And now,
even though we've had promises from President Trump and Bobby
Kennedy and others in this administration. They allowed the FDA
(20:47):
to approve this generic form, which of course drives costs
down for the abortion industry. Does not mean it's going
to be cheaper for the consumer, but we'll certainly create
a larger profit for these abortion centers.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
So why did they do this? I mean, short of
it being legally compelled, and there's no litigation pending that
I'm aware of, why did they do this?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I don't know, Dan, I mean, that's a good question.
This administration had every right to go to the FDA
and say, you know, we need to put this on pause.
There's you know, currently we're investigating mithi pristone, we're investigating mithoprex,
you know, whether we need to hold back on this,
(21:38):
So let's not move forward with the generic approval right
now until we, you know, get back all this information
about mythoprex. But they did not do that. They allowed
this to move forward. And you know, I was on
another show earlier today talking about this, and you know,
(22:00):
came to me the other day that you know, if
you watch cable TV or really any anything, there's going
to be some sort of pharmaceutical commercial come on. And
at the end of these pharmaceutical commercials, there's always, uh,
you know, a list of possible side effects, right that
makes you really want to take that drug, right, And
(22:23):
so there's always just this extensive list of possible side
effects that you could you could get from taking it.
And a lot of times with these drugs, and it
could be something for diabetes, right, But at the end
it will almost always say it will list some sort
of mood disorder, right, so it could increase possibility of depression,
(22:45):
it could increase, uh, you know, possibility of suicidal ideation
or something like that. There's always some usually some sort
of emotional component. And that got me thinking about this
particular drug. There has never been ever, ever, ever in history,
any sort of any sort of academic publication, peer reviewed
(23:07):
publication about the short term or long term side effects
of this particular drug.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
And that's crazy, unheard of, crazy, crazy, Abby Jansen.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
We have no idea, we have no idea what this
is doing to women. I mean, I think we need
but it goes back to say, nothing academically published.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
But it goes back to the point, and you've seen
this right from both sides, your heroic journey to life,
from being a planned parento director the left. Certainly the
abortion industry leading the way doesn't give a damn about women.
That doesn't it doesn't care about women, doesn't care about
women's health, doesn't care about killing you know, seven hundred
and fifty thousand to a million females a year that
(23:49):
the last thing they care about is is women. But
this is just so bizarre to me because to me,
President Trump has been the greatest pro life president of
my lifetime. But that this move is like the Lincoln
administration lowering the price of change to enslave people with it.
It just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, well, we heard President Trump in this past election
cycle say that he would do nothing to ban any
form of abortion, including chemical abortion, you know, this medication process,
including late term abortion. He said that very clearly that
he would do nothing to ban abortion. He also said
(24:29):
that he would do nothing to inhibit the sale or
distribution of medication abortion, which includes this are forty six
A Smith A PRIs Stone pill. I think there were
a lot of people that were kind of hoping that
he was just saying that to get elected. I'm a
(24:50):
person that kind of believes people when they say something.
I've never known President Donald Trump to say something that
he didn't really mean. I think he's a man that
believes the things that he says, and he said he
was not going to do anything to limit the sale
(25:11):
of this drug, and he is not. In fact, it
was just several months ago that he affirmed Biden's previous
ruling on the allowance of chemical abortion to be mailed
into all fifty states. Well, so I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I don't know. I don't know that he is actually
the pro life champion that we thought he was. I
think he went into this election in twenty sixteen being
a person that was not a politician. I think that's
why everyone loved him. He was a businessman, he wanted
to fix these things. He believed what he believed. I
(25:54):
think that he has come out of this now a politician.
I think he's come out of this compromising with various groups,
compromising on ideals. And I think that's where we are
right now.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
You know, Abbie Johnson, our guest, I think there's another
possibility here, Abby, And either way, I stand by my
view that he's been the most pro life president of
my lifetime, even if he's pro choice. And when he
ran in sixteen, I viewed him as a pro choice candidate,
and then when he won the nomination, I was all
(26:30):
in and support of him, and I'm glad I was
because at least with him, we had a chance. And
then to me, he delivered. He delivered in a bigger
way than any other president in my lifetime for the
pro life cause. Doesn't mean he's pro life himself, but
what I care about most, and Lord knows you've lived
your life this way is saving the babies. And he
(26:51):
did more to save babies than any president in my lifetime.
Whether or not he actually is pro life at heart.
And then what I saw on folding in the last campaign,
it sounds like you and I probably agree on this
is I think his campaign was very, very concerned he
could lose the election over the fact that he had
(27:11):
been such a strong pro life president. And I think
they did take some positions, you know, based on politics,
that they thought were necessary to win. I don't like that.
I wish they hadn't. I wish they weren't doing what
they were doing now. But on balanced body of work,
I can't think of a more pro life president. I
can think of presidents who talked pro life, But I
(27:33):
can't think of one who actually made sure they appointed
enough pro life justices that you know, Roe would be overturned.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah, it's been interesting, you know. I think I Row
being overturned has been sort of an interesting struggle as well.
I look now at our country, see where we are
since Roe has been overturned. Abortion in this nation is up. Now.
(28:08):
We have about almost a dozen states that have ratified
their state constitutions to include the right to abortion. We
did not have that before Row. Now we do. Late
term abortion is now at a historically high level, so
we're killing more babies in the viable stages of pregnancy
(28:28):
than we ever have been. Now chemical abortions are able
to be mailed into all fifty states. I can affirmatively
tell you that the pro abortion movement was ready for
Road to be overturned. They are always ready. They are
(28:52):
always ready for whatever we throw with them, because they
are always on the offensive. Movement is they're always on
the defensive.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Boy Abbie, if you're able to stay, I'd love you too,
because I respectfully disagree very strongly with a couple of
those assumptions, Because I think the pro abortion movement is
getting their asses kicked, and I think pro life is
winning and winning big and I think the fall of
Roe ensures that we will win. And I know you've
(29:25):
devoted so much of your life to this cause. You're
a true hero of the life movement. But if you
can stay for a segment, I just have to get
out in the next eight seconds or they'll turn us
all off. Abby Johnson kind enough to be with us,
really important conversation. You're on the Dan Caplas Show.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Prince and another great talent, Abbi Johnson, one of the
true heroes of the pro life movement. It's fun to actually,
after all these years, Abby have a little disagreement on something.
That's kind of fun. Yeah. So if for those who
weren't with us in the last segment, then Abby was
kind enough to stay for a second, I'll sum it up.
Tell me if I'm wrong, Abby, that your position as well.
Wait a second, you know, the fall of Row has
(30:11):
also caused some real challenges, and the pro abortion movement
was ready and there are a lot of, you know,
bad things happening on the life side since the fall
of Row. I don't think you've taken the position that
you'd still rather have Row, and then yeah, yeah, and
then I've taken the other position. I think my exact
quote was that, you know, the pro abortion movement are
(30:33):
getting their asses kicked since the fall of Row, and
I think it's it's the greatest thing ever happened for
the movement. So we'll reset and and we'll start there.
But my quick twenty second summary of that, Abby is
the reason I respectfully disagree here is because we all
pro lifers, regardless of politics or anything else, because we
are right on the facts. We're right on the medical facts,
(30:55):
we're right on the basic morality separate apart from any religion,
and my belief that people you know across the spectrum
are inherently good people because we're so provably right on
all of this. Once Roe fell and we can actually
state by state have the great debate, I am absolutely
certain life is eventually going to win, if not everywhere,
(31:16):
virtually everywhere whereas if roasted, in effect, we could never
have the great debate.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, I think the problem I have is that this
should not be a states rights issue because I believe
abortion is murder, and we have a federal statue against
murder in our country. Murder is not a state by
state issue. We know in every state murder is illegal.
(31:50):
There's not a state that doesn't categorize murder as a crime.
There's a federal statue against, you know, killing bald eagles.
You could go to prison for that. There's a federal
statute against harming sea turtles or sea turtle eggs. But
you can kill a baby in California, but you're not
(32:15):
supposed to in Texas. And I think we're at an
incredibly important time in the pro life movement because we
are in a very inconsistent space.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And we.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Have to reconcile this somehow in the pro life movement,
and it's going to take time, and it's going to
take a lot of discussion, and I think discussions like
this where we have to decide do we actually believe
abortion is murder? Do we actually believe that killing a
(32:56):
two year old child outside of the womb is the
same as killing a two month child inside of the womb?
Or do we not? Because if we do, as we
have been saying, that we do believe that is true,
if we actually do believe that is true, then now
is the time for the pro life movement. Now that
(33:18):
Row has been overturned, and we do have this flexibility,
and we do have the opportunity to go on the offensive.
We finally have the opportunity to not be flat on
our backs anymore. Now is the opportunity for us to
rise up and say this is what we actually believe,
and now we're going to do something about it. Now
we're going to act on it. And I just I haven't.
(33:45):
We have not done that yet. And so as a
result of that, abortions continue to increase. We have this
chemical abortion spreading into all fifty states. Here alone, in
the state of Texas, over thirty six thousand women flew
out of state to have abortions. Women are dying, We
(34:11):
have an increased number of abortion depths because of these
chemical abortion pills in particular. So while I agree that
overturning Row was right, because Roe should have never been
in place at all, I just think that we maybe
(34:34):
weren't quite ready for the fallout that was going to
take place. I don't think anyone in the pro life
movement and even the pro life legislative space, I don't
think anybody was ready. I don't think anybody predicted that
the states were going to start ratifying their state constitutions
(34:56):
to protect abortion through all nine months of pregnancy state
by state.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I don't think they.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Knew that was coming, and now it will be near
impossible to undo that.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Well, and that's where again i'd respectfully disagree in this sense,
and I apologize. We only have another minute in the segment.
But once row falls and there is the chance to
actually legislate state by state, then sure these states now
and they're the toughest nuts to crack, right like Colorado,
And I'm sorry we're up against that music, but there's
still the chance to win the debate in those states
(35:29):
over time, and I'd rather have that chance than be
where we were.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Abby.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I hope we can continue this.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I hope it.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Always love talking to you and what you've accomplished for
the civil rights movement of our lifetime is stunning. So
thank you. It's ABBYJA dot Com, Abby Johnson.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
We'll co back.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
We'll talk about that and much more, including Taylor Swift
on The Dan Capla Show.
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