George Brauchler fills in for Dan and continues his conversation with listeners on drag racing in the streets of Colorado into Hour 2.
A Colorado park ranger who reported being injured in a stabbing attack is now accused of perpetrating a hoax that is eerily similar to the entire Jussie Smollett debacle once upon a time in Chicago.
A Colorado park ranger who reported being injured in a stabbing attack is now accused of perpetrating a hoax that is eerily similar to the entire Jussie Smollett debacle once upon a time in Chicago.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caples and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
George Brockler filling in for Dan Caplis. It's the last
of two hours that'll cover for Dan today. I'll be
back later this week Thursday. It's a big and by
the way, that apparently is not as exciting as I
thought it would be for a lot. There's some very
nice texts here at five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Here's one.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Just want George Brockler to know I appreciate him and
what he does in the DA's office, even though I
don't live in Douglas County. We need more das than
people like George, Thank you very much. And then the
one right after that is ogs not you again. So
it's balanced, I mean, there's a balanced amount of texts
that are come in.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But I'll be back on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Trying to lure my son back in because he turns eighteen.
It's his big eighteenth birthday. Also, George Wahoo, the sheriff
and the d show next week. Not next week, It'll
be the week after next week. I'm tied up at
about eight billion different things. But the week after that,
I believe. I believe it's tuesday.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I believe it's in time for my return from Florida.
Oh see, this is perfect state of Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
And that way we're all complicit in the product that
gets put out.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
It is going to be a blank show. Yeah, I
hope it is. I hope there's a lot be ready
on the trigger.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Gonna be awesome.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
And we already have somebody who has verified that she's
going to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Oh my goodness, is it Hillary Downs? Is it Jenna
down Easter?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
By the way, that would be a wonderful, wonderful interview.
Also the sheriff, the DA and Jenna Griswold. What a
threesome that would make on the radio.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
It's like smoking the bandit. Hey, listen, here's what we
were talking about the last hour.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We were thrilled to have on Chief of Police for
Aurora PD, Tadd Chamberlain, to talk about them bracking down
big time on.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
The street racers.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
And then we had a course, Deputy District Attorney Chase
health Seth health Seth. Man, I'm gonna struggle with that one.
And until he changes his name, heg Seth would be easier.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Hell Seth. The l really makes it challenging. Chase.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And by the way, did anyone else find it ironic
that Chase was the prosecutor that sent the vehicular e looting.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Guy to prison?
Speaker 7 (02:22):
Chase, I said it did that guy.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I think we found his niche in the office. We've
been talking about the street racing thing. Lots of feedback,
I'm telling you, tons of texts at five seven, seven.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Three nine.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Also great phone calls three O three seven one, three
eighty two fifty five.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
We're gonna take another one right now.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Glenn, also from Elizabeth. Are you sitting next to Jill? Like,
are you driving in the same car?
Speaker 7 (02:46):
And no, no, you know it's a small town.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It is. What do you think about all this, man, Well.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
You know, the street racing things really interesting. Let heard
a lot of the people saying, well, back in the day,
back in the day. Well, one thing that you guys ought
to bring to light for some of these folks too,
is the speeds involved, especially with some of these tuner
cars and some of the bike kids. Because it's not
like you got an old uh you know, you know
(03:16):
the you know SS that's geared to you know, hit
redline at one hundred and a quarter one hundred and forty.
Some of these guys are doing one hundred and sixty
five hundred and seventy five miles an hour, you know,
around four seventy.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, that's f one stuff out there. That's a Brad
Pitt driving for uh whatever that is.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
And I think the road's dry, so it's cool. But
you know, our roads a little bumpy. I don't know
if anybody notice, but some of the places they do this,
these roads aren't that great.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Do you, Glenn, do you support the idea because I'm,
like I said, I've been pursuing this within my own office,
trying to make sure we're legally able to do this.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
And that's the right thing.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But would you support for those guys that engage in
this behavior not just seizing their vehicles for the moment,
but trying to forfeit them, and that means taking away
their title to them, like taking it from them.
Speaker 7 (04:07):
I think there's a place for that. And those guys
I was just talking about, I mean, we were going
along four seventy in actually the toll section on motorcycles
about a week and a half ago on a charity run,
and we were doing you know, sixty six sixty seven
something like that, pretty much legit, and something blue in
(04:29):
some form of pasta rocket I think it might have
been a Ferrari probably went past us doing north of
one hundred and forty oh and in the right lane
in the two left lanes, you know, so like they
were in the mirror and then they were there and
then they were gone. And obviously that's on camera somewhere,
and I imagine those cameras probably can gage speed to
(04:51):
some extent. You know, that might be somewhere where you
might want to apply that.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, yeah, let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I mean, because you're the most vulnerable out there if
you're on bikes. Nobody is more vulnerable on the road
to bed driving than you, guys are. How do you
deal with that when you see that? If like you
come up on street racing, do you just wait for
it to pass?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Do you pull over? Exit? What are you doing?
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Well?
Speaker 7 (05:13):
If there's one hundred and fifty people in a street
in a circle around two cars that are currently doing donuts,
you pretty much gotta stop. And that's a big nuisance
and it's a pain in the arson. It's like, you
gotta just try to stay safe in that situation and
try and interrupt. It's probably a dangerous thing to do too,
So anything you can do is go around It is great,
(05:35):
but sometimes you can't get around it. But at the
same time, you know, when the voice comes north out
of Castle Rock up by twenty five, you know, down
the hill away from Castle Pines, and you know you're
going with the flow of traffic reasonably, and all of
a sudden, you know, your hat flies off in front
(05:55):
of you at eighty miles an hour. That's yeah, that's
not so safe. I mean, Glenn, the fact that I.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Was gonna say, let me ask you another question related
to the bike stuff, since you're an expert, I'm not.
And that is when I'm driving down the road, I
totally get that when I come to a stop sign
or a stoplight that motorcycles where they can can roll
through the stop traffic vehicle traffic, I get that. But
what I don't get and what scares the Bejesus out
(06:25):
of me, is I'm going down I twenty five and
I'm doing whatever sixty five, seventy five, one hundred and five,
whatever it is, whatever's the lawful amount, and they come
blowing right in between two cars where I swear if
I just took my eye off the road for a
minute and drifted to the right, these guys goes spinning
off like something out of tron like one.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I don't think that's legal's but what do you do
with that?
Speaker 7 (06:47):
No, Well, that that's hard to be aware of. You
got to be very attended to see that coming at you.
And again, you know, like Jicks are brought with this
video there a while ago where he got extradited up
here because he you know, Colorado Springs to Denver in
twenty eight minutes or whatever. He was doing a whole
lot of lane splitting while he was doing that. I
think there's a place for lane splitting in California is
(07:09):
not one of the states that disallows it. They allow it,
but their roads are also I think substantially wider lane
to lane than us, and they kind of count on
that and they're aware that that's going on. So in
a state where it's not commonly practiced, it's really really dangerous.
And even if the cars are sitting still. You know,
(07:29):
somebody might decide they're going to open a door on you.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Right right, Would you report racers that you saw on
the road in front of you. We talked to Chief
Chamberlain about it. Would you take that step or.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Is it kind of like that as long as it
gets pass me?
Speaker 7 (07:47):
You know again, I think it's kind of case by case.
If they are somewhere out here in Elizabeth at the
end of the circle where there's no houses yet, that's
one thing. But if they're doing it in the middle
of downtown Parker all of a sudden, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Have, by the way, getting harder and harder to say,
in Elizabeth where there may not be houses, because Parker
is creeping up on a little wo Yeah it is, Hey, Glenn,
thanks for the phone call man. It is Thanks for
the call man. I appreciate this. Hey, listen a couple
texts and that we'll cut away for a break and
we'll get to your calls. At three O three seven
(08:22):
one three eighty two fifty five, the drivers that are
racing routinely reached speeds of over one hundred Glenn said
that on the interstate at some point, physics takes over
should there be a mechanical problem or flat tire, and
these people will not be able to.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Control their vehicles. True. Here's another one. I'm glad you clarified.
That was a Radio three so oh boy, George.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
In the nineteen seventies, we used to race on sixteenth
Street downtown when the only.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
People there were cruisers and racers.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
They didn't even have homeless. Then they ruined everything with
the mall. Well, they took them all out of the world.
I think you can go back now it's just sixteenth Street.
Maybe you can do it again.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's real classy for that. It says this is the
one to dan you paid those people. I don't even
know what that means.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
The craziness is happening more because none of these kids
grew up with a bed to sleep, and they slept
on the floor of their rooms belonged to another family.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Blah blah blah. I don't Yeah, I didn't understand that
one either. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Here's another one looking forward to Oh that was REEMS
and they need to crack down on these extremely loud
exhaust systems.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah, what's up with that? Get a muffler.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I live close to Eleif, and it's gotten much worse
by the way. That, to me is a little bit
of the equivalent of the freak shows that walk around
either the mall, the gym, the grocery store, and they've
never heard of bluetooth, and they're talking on their phone,
but they have their phone on speaker. It could be FaceTime,
I don't know. And they're holding it up like they're
(09:50):
about to eat something out of it, you know what
I mean, Like they're going to port into their mouth.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I'm like, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
At the gas station, I'm like, if you have never
heard of bluetooth, can you put it up to your ear?
Is it cancer they're trying to avoid or do they
just need us to hear that that conversation that they're
having it It is incredibly rude and crazy. It's worse
to me than the people that have a tough time
quieting down in the movie theater, like I don't want
to share your conversation with you. The loud muffler thing
(10:19):
feels kind of similar.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
Ish.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I guess I was looking for some sort of validation Kelly. Now, well,
we're working on still. We got a bunch of callers
coming in, but we better take a break. George, my gosh,
we do have it's not allow what happens here? How
do you guys shut this thing off? No, I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
We love the caller three all three seven, one, three
eight two five five. Tons of texts, We've read several
of them now hashtag five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Am I supposed to say hashtag? Or is that sounds
cooler when you do that? Or is it sound like www?
Is it like that?
Speaker 9 (10:48):
Hashtag five?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Hashtag five seven seven three nine, hashtag five seven seven
three nine, and of course three O three seven three
eighty two fifty five. Let's cut away for a break
and then we'll come back. We'll talk to Jack, Mike,
everybody else calling in. It's George Brockler filling in for
the Mighty Dan Caplis on The Dankpla Show.
Speaker 9 (11:07):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I feel like we could just do the Grease soundtrack
as we're really talking about any topic. George Brockler filling
in for Dan Campbelis on The Dankplas Show.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
We've been talking about street racing.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
We had on Chief Todd Chamberlain from the Aurora police
departments to talk about extra efforts they're putting out there
to crack down on it. I know it's a problem
in our jurisdiction. We've had conversations in our own office
about taking these cars and forfeiting them from these people.
I should have said the other part is this, You
know these racers rarely, and.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I've seen it both ways.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I've seen the racers themselves get across all the lanes
of traffic and slow down and then try to take
off when they get a quarter mile or something like that.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
But I've also.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Seen other folks play the role of like a bumper
car or a buffer car to allow that distance. We're
gonna go after them as well. And I'm telling you
we're going to take your cars. We're going to forfeit them.
If it's mom and Dad's car, it's gonna be an
issue you'll have to explain to them. But if it's
(12:15):
your car, we're gonna try to take it and forfeit it.
So best thing to do don't break the law. And
I've said this so many times, but if you're inclined
to break the law, you just can't help it. Go
break it somewhere else. Sounds like Aurora in Douglas County,
not the places to do it. Going right back to
the phone lines at three h three seven three eighty
two fifty five, Jack from Cheyenne, is that in Rhode Island?
Speaker 10 (12:39):
Jack?
Speaker 11 (12:41):
I think it is.
Speaker 10 (12:41):
Yeah, but I'm going to Wyoming anyway.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Okay, great Jack? How are you doing? What do you
think about all this?
Speaker 10 (12:48):
I think a lot about it.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
I maybe two.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
I've been driving since I'm fourteen. I'm gonna tell you something.
Straight up and down this it's'n be hard for you
to understand this. All passing on the right hand side
at any speed is dangers The higher the speed, the
more dangerous it is. All passing should always be done
in the left hand lane, period.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
What do you do if and in Colorado you've seen this, Jack,
I've lived it, and that is people see the left
lane as the place to go where you want to
drive and have an unobstructed view in front of you.
So let's say you're in that lane, they just refuse
to go faster than the traffic to the right of them.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
What do you do with that?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (13:29):
And that does happen, and it is frustrating. But if
you've got a little bit of patience to think guy
will eventually wake up and get out of your way.
I mean, that's kind of what you need to gootle patience.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
What do you do about these racers?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I'm sure you've seen them as well, And maybe it
happens up in Cheyenne or Wyoming and it doesn't seem
like it's as big a deal because the congestion.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Is way way different. How do you deal with this?
What do you think?
Speaker 10 (13:54):
Well, young people are always going to do that and
you're not going to change it. And yes, speed is
dangerous and it's particularly dangerous when people are very young.
I understand that, but you're not going to change that.
We all did that. I mean I had double a
fuel dracts at twelve hundred horse power that we ran
on the streets in the Bronx today. I mean, come on,
we've all done that.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Well, so then what's the answer. How do you deter
this or do you just go oh well.
Speaker 10 (14:19):
No, it's simple. You set up a place and you
put in an old abandoned air strip, you and you
make it available for these kids to go out there
and do the Who's fastest routine and make it safe.
I mean, that's how you do it, and you put
it with a general public's not exposed to it. I mean,
it's pretty simple stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
George, Well, we've had that.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
We've had that with Bandomir out there by the hog
Back out in Jeffco. And I know Vandimir I think
is moving towards a roar or something like that. But
let's say you set that up and you still have
this activity, don't you have to take pretty pretty uh
strong aswer.
Speaker 10 (14:52):
I don't think.
Speaker 11 (14:53):
I don't.
Speaker 10 (14:53):
I don't think vando mer is available twenty four to
seven for a couple of guys who wanted to go
out and see who's got the fastest car. I think
that's I think those are scheduled events on Saturdays only.
I think they're religious. They don't track race on Sundays
like the rest of the world does. So I think
that's not applicable on this conversation.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Well, so if you set that up, and I guess
you'd have to have someone man this thing twenty four
to seven, I presume you would expect the drivers, not
the city or the state, to bear the financial burden
of that. What do you do with the people that
just don't and they're like, I'm not going through that expense.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I'm just going to go do this the way I
want to do it.
Speaker 10 (15:26):
Yeah, I know you mentioned confiscating their vehicle. I think
there's a lot of legal implications as to whether or
not you can confiscate people's property because if you can
do that for that, I can confiscate your car because
you spit bubble gum out on the sidewalk.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
No, No, that's different. No, that's different. There are laws
in place on forfeit. Well, the law says it's different,
So you're right, there are legal ramifications for it. But
engaging in this kind of behavior where it is the
source of the criminality, it is the implement for it.
That's different than you throwing gum out on the road.
You can throw gum out on the road from a bike,
from a dead standstill, from the passenger side. Which you
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can't do is race a car you're not driving.
Speaker 10 (16:04):
Okay, who gets to decide who can confiscate whose property?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
You're talking about confidence the judges.
Speaker 10 (16:08):
Property get something that's a lot more involved than trying
to keep people from the street race.
Speaker 9 (16:14):
But it's not.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's not because it's the punitive sanction well, it's the
punitive sanction that one keeps them from doing it again,
and two acts as a deterrent. In fact, whatever we
got from those forfeitures, I would likely turn over into
some sort of a campaign to deter others from doing it.
It's not a get rich scheme or just take people's
property thing. It's a how to go ahead.
Speaker 10 (16:34):
I don't think constitutionally you have the right to do that.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
We do.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
We for we're able to forfeit property. Yeah, we get
a forfeit property under the laws that exist. And to
answer your question, judges make that decision.
Speaker 10 (16:48):
Okay, they make that decision. But there's an affirmative defense
to that.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
What's the affirmative defense.
Speaker 10 (16:54):
It's the amendment that means a penalty more than ten
times actual damages is unconstitutional.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
That it's not.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, but it's not a penalty one that's not in
the eighth Amendment too. It's not a penalty. It is
a civil consequence, much like getting points on your license
or having your license suspended. That is not a criminal action.
The criminal action may lead to it, but you can
have stuff forfeited without ever being a key.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Hang on, hang on Jack, hang on Henk Jeff.
Speaker 10 (17:21):
Hang on one second, property Jack, you're talking about property.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Jeff, you can have property seized and forfeited without having
committed a crime.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
We sees nuisances all the time. I gotta let you go,
my man.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Great having a conversation with you, Mike from Lakewood, that's
my hometown. I can't wait to talk with you when
we come back. You joined him three or three seven
one three eighty two fifty five. George Brockler filling in
for Dan Caplis on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
George Roger back in for Dan Caplis, still talking about topic.
I didn't know it would take us this direction and
with this much great participation which you can join. Three
h three seven one three eighty two fifty five. Talking
about street racing going on in and around the metro
area and the different steps to tackle it. Had a
great conversation with Jack from Cheyenne.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Jack brought up something about passing on the right, and
here's a Texter. It says announcer, I think you're a
right lane passer. I'll be honest, I would pass on
the right. I mean I don't know if it's nana
or papa or someone who's just not paying attention.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
It's not really an age thing.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Honestly, I'm not looking for seatbelts hanging out the driver's
side door. It could be anybody. But there are people
who think that the left lane is just like the
right lane, and they hang out in there because there's
no one in front of them, and it's just so
fun because they can drive at almost any below sixty
five and it's okay. And the admonition, by the way
from Jack which was just have patients, Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Do you know how many days of my life I.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Lose every single year to pour traffic decisions by others?
NA No, no, I don't ever push it to make
it reckless. But there's a level of affirmative aggression, appropriate
aggression that you can take to try to avoid some
of the worst drivers that are out there are text
line five seven, seven, thirty nine. When it comes to traffic,
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and the left lane doing ten to fifteen over the limit,
like most do, is fast enough for all traffic. I
will not move out of the left lane if I'm
going the most we all should. It is now up
to the person in that left lane me not to
move as to help enforce the law and keep those
from speeding.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Period. I'm not moving for a lunatic to pass. I
don't know how I feel about that.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I don't want to make my speed match theirs. Do
I get out of the way. That's a great question.
Three or three said one three eighty two fifty five.
Mike from the town I grew up and it's called Lakewood, Colorado.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
How are you good?
Speaker 11 (20:07):
Uh, George, I really like what you're doing up there
in Douglas County.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 11 (20:12):
Please keep it up.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, move, come move and join us. Man, we'd love
the safety. Tell me where you're at in lake Wood.
I don't need the address, but what are your big
cross streets?
Speaker 11 (20:20):
Yaleen Sheridan.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Oh buddy, you are right there. You're out there on
the eastern edge. Man. You're about to dip into what
Englewood Denver area over there.
Speaker 11 (20:29):
Denver's across the street.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
You know what. And this is not a reflection of
you or your community.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I had a murder out there many years ago, a
guy named Kenneth Edward Epperson who shot a dude just
on the west side of Sheridan. It only became relevant
because he dumped the body at Bear Creek State Park
and when the call came in, it came in from Denver.
Denver PD rolls out, they pick up the witness. The
witness is crying hard to understand, and the Denver guys,
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according to her, got visibly excited as she was describing
where the actual and took place.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
It didn't actually take place on the eastern shirt, and
they were like.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It's not us. They were just thrilled to trifle the
way to Bear Creek State Park and pass the body
off to the lake with police, which is where you're
at right now.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Mike. That's not why you called in. But tell us
what's going on with the racing.
Speaker 11 (21:15):
So I put up with this crap every Sunday night
driving home from work from North Glenn to home and
get passed on the left and the right side two
dozen times in that one trip, after ten o'clock at
night on a Sunday. I'm a retired firefighter and we
(21:37):
were always looking for cars to cut up for auto
extrication training. So if you're going to take these guys cars,
make them go out to the parking lot of the
courthouse where South Metro standing by with extrication tools in
hand and make them watch the fire department cut up
(21:58):
their car into a pieces.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Mike, I love this.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
In fact, another Texter earlier in the show had said, Hey,
these guys aren't going to care if the car gets taken.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
They need to see it get crushed.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I like your idea even better because it has a
positive message and it provides training, like people can actually
see this is what happens if you wipe out at
one hundred and ten miles an hour on I twenty five.
This is who has to show up and do us.
I like that idea quite a bit. Have you guys
done that before?
Speaker 11 (22:26):
We haven't had confiscated cars, but we would have cars
that were left at a pound and not reclaimed, and
so we would pull them back to training and cut
them up on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Now, Mike, you're a former firefighter. When this happens to
you on the drive from North Glenn, do you do
anything about it? I mean, do you pick up the
phone and call?
Speaker 11 (22:51):
Well, last a week ago, there were two thortant traffic
cars sitting off the right shoulder and they were writing
tickets but calling anybody to do anything about this, especially
rolling through Denver, is absolutely useless. I would rather sit
in a dentist chair for eight hours.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I would say this.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
There are probably jurisdictions that prioritize this differently than it
sounds like Chief Chamberlain.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
From Aurora does.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And I can tell you Douglas County, I mean, Sheriff
Weekly has gone out of his way to say, if
you engage in this behavior, we're going.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
To get you.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
The other thing is if you try to run from
us after engaging this behavior, we're going to get.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
You, and we're going to get your car.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And I appreciate that very This isn't broken windows stuff.
This is bigger than that, but I think we got
to tackle it. I can't thank you enough for the
great phone call, Mike. Thank you so much for that call.
Mike's line is open three h three seven one three
eighty two fifty five on the.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Time for a brief public service announcement for our callers
listeners out there.
Speaker 9 (23:51):
We love you.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
We want you to call in three zero three seven
one three eighty two fifty five. But Kelly, she tries,
sometimes they slip through the cracks. Please roll up your
windows point A point b. Can't do it on a speakerphone.
Not gonna work. It's gonna sound terrible. It does noise,
and I think there was something going on there, some
kind of interference. Can't use earbuds either, So if you
can pull over and talk like you regularly would into
(24:15):
a cell phone the old fashioned way, that's probably the
best way to dial it.
Speaker 10 (24:18):
Well.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
And I've done the same thing, man.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
When you guys have had me on the show, or
Dan has had me on the show, invariably I pop
out the bluetooth, make sure that I'm in some place
in my backyard where the cell phone coverage. Ndoubtedly will
cut out three minutes into the interview. But there's no window,
there's no open window, there's no you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
It's just what we're trying to do here, Kelly and
I behind the scenes, just to give you a look
inside the prism that is six point thirty k Hire
and Denver and of course iHeart throughout the front range.
We're trying to minimize any variables in the equation that
might affect the sound quality. There might be an echo,
there might be a buzz, there might be a hum,
there might be road noise and eliminate all of that
(24:57):
if we can.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Here's some of the naysayers. Man, I love this. I
knew it.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Right lane passers when you're already ten plus over the limit, yep,
that fits.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
No, boy, there's just some aggression here. I like this.
There's a lot of weird texts coming up.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Right lane passers are the kibbit of people. I presume
it's kind of people who break into their high school.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
For a little walker around.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Thank you for being a longtime listener, because that is
something I legitimately have talked about on the radar. Not
of course the sexual limitations has run and it was
all part of a some kind of a tour or
something like that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
But that is.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Such a funny, awkward, awful reference to make right there.
Listen on this, and we'll put a button a pin
is it a button? We put a pin in something?
You button something button and a button? Put a button
in a thing with a pin.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
We'll do both.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
We'll do that when we come back, and it's the
final segment. Really what I want to do, other than
go through the other texts that come in at five
seven seven three nine, that's hashtag five seven seven three
nine is talk to you about this crazy case involving
a park ranger who was viciously attacked and stabbed in
Jefferson County. If you hadn't heard the updates, stick around
(26:06):
for it. It's a real gem. Until that time, though,
you're listening to this guy and I'll be back on
Thursday as well. His name is George Brockler, filling in
for Dan Capla says he fights for his clients inside
and outside of court. It's the Dankpla Show.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
There is a unique combination of musical knowledge, an upbringing
that kind of parallels my own at least in terms
of timing, and just a splash of liquid meth that
allows Ryan to be able to really come up with
This is the most perfect music bumper music that comes
(26:46):
in in. Brian Adams cuts like a knife. It's perfect
because the story I wanted to talk to you about.
If you have been tracking this, you know right, you know,
and we'll play this clip. If you have not been
tracking this, this is crazy STUF. Park rangers are members
of law enforcement. I don't know if they're all post
certified or not, but we want to protect them, right.
These are men and women that go out there. They're
(27:08):
trying to keep the parks and the wildlife places nice
and safe and clean for everybody and all that stuff.
And so this dude named Callum Heskett, not fifteen, not eighteen,
not twenty three, twenty six year old seasonal ranger. He'd
been on the job for I don't know, a couple months.
Maybe it got boring, I don't know. He's in a
(27:29):
Jefferson County park called the Staunton State Park. He calls in.
There's a nine to one one call out there. He
calls in, says he's being attacked, that he's saying stop, stop,
stop attacking me, like he's talking to the person doing this. This
is kind of like a DV nine to one one
call or something like that. And then ultimately they come
across him and he's been stabbed, and it turns into
(27:50):
this big thing. I saw people savaging Jeffco Sheriff's office.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
On this, saying why won't they release more information?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Why is it enough to just say we They do
the investigation, and as it turns out, it's not quite
what we thought.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
The same morning, he is accused of stabbing himself.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
He googled injuries to the.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Abdomen tonight, Please say the park ranger who says he
was stabbed in Staunton State Park on Tuesday by a
six foot, two hundred pound white man made it all up.
Detectives say he actually stabbed himself.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
The reporter Allen.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Today was in the park reporting Tuesday as dozens of
law officers search for a suspect.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
Allan joins US Live tonight with these shocking new details.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Well does he a search? On Tuesday?
Speaker 8 (28:35):
The suspension of the search for a suspect by the
Jefferson County Sheriff's Office.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Caused a lot out there on locals.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
The Sheriff's office at the time said they had come
to believe it was a targeted attack. It turns out
they were onto this ranger's story and disparities in it
within hours, and they now have come to believe he
targeted himself. What it was a search that stretched nearly
eight hours on the ground and from above, all seeking
(29:03):
a man described by an injured seasonal park ranger as
his attacker.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Our initial response to that was massive, as it should be.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Six law enforcement agencies searching for a man they believed
it wrestled a knife away from ranger Callum Heskett and
stabbed him.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
Because we believed what the victim said, and now we
simply know that that's not true.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Heskett said he had approached the man who looked in
distress by a trail, but the man stood up and
said explative the police and charged at him. It meant
the park was shut down and people in the surrounding
area kept out of their homes. A park volunteer we
spoke with new Heskett dedicated competent.
Speaker 10 (29:44):
You know, he's a really sweet guy.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
But soon the story he told authorities would unravel, says
Jeff Coo, sheriff spokesperson Jackie Kelly.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Well, I'll tell you, with a lot of strange cases,
strange happens a lot, but to absolutely create an elaborate
scheme to bring this many people to your aid for
nothing is rare.
Speaker 8 (30:05):
There was no suspect found. Heskett said he was knocked
down on his back, but that part of his uniform
was clean. Said he'd been punched in the back of
the head. There was no injury on Heskett's phone. A
detective found searches for how deeper arteries in lower abdomen
and abdominal anatomy.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
He is now a suspect in an elaborate hoax, and
we feel very confident that he created a self inflicted
wound to himself and made a story up.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
But they have yet to establish a motive.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
We don't have an answer as to why someone would
do this. We may get to the Y, but in
lots of cases we never get to the y.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
You know that was Alan Jane. By the way, reporting
does a nice job. Listen, there are reasons I can
think of why you would do this, right, Like you
just now realized that the final in your class, which
is ninety percent of your grade, is that morning, and
so you quickly invent a stabbing or something.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
To get out of that.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I don't know what's this guy doing out in what's
going on in his life that he's like, you know,
I could do this.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
And it won't hurt, or if it hurts, it won't
be lethal.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
It's Jesse smolect territory, right, it is Jesse Smolette, juicy smoer,
juicy smoye.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
The other thing that continues to fascinate me is all
of this happened after the dentist trial, where his searches
online became a huge piece of evidence that everyone talked about.
And yet this guy has no problems jumping onto Safari
or chrome or something and looking up how to stab
yourself without leaving a mark or something like that.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Like, what is up with these guys? I will tell
you this, folks, And I've said this for years. We
don't catch the smart ones. We just don't. If we do,
it's by luck, it's bad luck. We tend to catch
the dumb ones. And this is another one. And what's
the motive.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I'm fascinated to hear what it was. But you gotta
believe that this guy is gonna play the mental health card.
That's all he's got. I mean, what else is there?
A bold public defender? And I presume he'll be represented
by the taxpayer because he'll claim that he no longer
has a job and can't afford one. They're gonna come
out and say, no, they're wrong. Yes, he searched for
those things. It was a coincidence. There really is out
(32:27):
at large right now, a six foot and this guy
saves himself by saying white man. Can you imagine if
he had said a six foot tall black man or
Hispanic man or fill in the blank man, and it
had been made up, he would.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Also be a racist.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
But I'll tell you these kinds of cases, take them
super seriously. We have some cases right now involving people
who've pretended to be cops, whether it's to throw reds
and blues on their car and try to pull people
over or flashing badges. Look, we play so much trust
in uniform law enforcement and we expect people to abide
(33:03):
by their orders and dictates on the street that when
somebody usurps that, when somebody calls that into question, and
this is a corollary to it, This is a cousin
to it. When you make up a crime that people
are gonna take seriously. Like this guy could have said, Hey,
some dude ran by me and spit on me. Yeah,
they'd have taken that seriously and looked into it. But
you say I was stab and you invent a stab wound,
(33:26):
and you caused Jeff co to pull people who are
otherwise doing things to protect the community and to turn
crime to go look for some guy that doesn't exist.
You must be incarcerated. There is no second best alternative.
There is no Well, I'm a really nice guy and
I have no criminal history.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
That's something you can discuss with your counselor behind bars. Hey,
listen tomorrow. They've found someone to fill in.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
It's not me.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
They went ahead and I think they toured one of
the homeless shelters in Denver, but they found someone named
Steve Reemes. Never heard of him, but I'll be listening tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Should too.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Is George Brockers filling in for Dan Caplash
This is Dan Caples and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
George Brockler filling in for Dan Caplis. It's the last
of two hours that'll cover for Dan today. I'll be
back later this week Thursday. It's a big and by
the way, that apparently is not as exciting as I
thought it would be for a lot. There's some very
nice texts here at five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Here's one.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Just want George Brockler to know I appreciate him and
what he does in the DA's office, even though I
don't live in Douglas County. We need more das than
people like George, Thank you very much. And then the
one right after that is ogs not you again. So
it's balanced, I mean, there's a balanced amount of texts
that are come in.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But I'll be back on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Trying to lure my son back in because he turns eighteen.
It's his big eighteenth birthday. Also, George Wahoo, the sheriff
and the d show next week. Not next week, It'll
be the week after next week. I'm tied up at
about eight billion different things. But the week after that,
I believe. I believe it's tuesday.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I believe it's in time for my return from Florida.
Oh see, this is perfect state of Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
And that way we're all complicit in the product that
gets put out.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
It is going to be a blank show. Yeah, I
hope it is. I hope there's a lot be ready
on the trigger.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Gonna be awesome.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
And we already have somebody who has verified that she's
going to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Oh my goodness, is it Hillary Downs? Is it Jenna
down Easter?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
By the way, that would be a wonderful, wonderful interview.
Also the sheriff, the DA and Jenna Griswold. What a
threesome that would make on the radio.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
It's like smoking the bandit. Hey, listen, here's what we
were talking about the last hour.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We were thrilled to have on Chief of Police for
Aurora PD, Tadd Chamberlain, to talk about them bracking down
big time on.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
The street racers.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
And then we had a course, Deputy District Attorney Chase
health Seth health Seth. Man, I'm gonna struggle with that one.
And until he changes his name, heg Seth would be easier.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Hell Seth. The l really makes it challenging. Chase.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And by the way, did anyone else find it ironic
that Chase was the prosecutor that sent the vehicular e looting.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Guy to prison?
Speaker 7 (02:22):
Chase, I said it did that guy.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I think we found his niche in the office. We've
been talking about the street racing thing. Lots of feedback,
I'm telling you, tons of texts at five seven, seven.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Three nine.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Also great phone calls three O three seven one, three
eighty two fifty five.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
We're gonna take another one right now.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Glenn, also from Elizabeth. Are you sitting next to Jill? Like,
are you driving in the same car?
Speaker 7 (02:46):
And no, no, you know it's a small town.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It is. What do you think about all this, man, Well.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
You know, the street racing things really interesting. Let heard
a lot of the people saying, well, back in the day,
back in the day. Well, one thing that you guys ought
to bring to light for some of these folks too,
is the speeds involved, especially with some of these tuner
cars and some of the bike kids. Because it's not
like you got an old uh you know, you know
(03:16):
the you know SS that's geared to you know, hit
redline at one hundred and a quarter one hundred and forty.
Some of these guys are doing one hundred and sixty
five hundred and seventy five miles an hour, you know,
around four seventy.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, that's f one stuff out there. That's a Brad
Pitt driving for uh whatever that is.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
And I think the road's dry, so it's cool. But
you know, our roads a little bumpy. I don't know
if anybody notice, but some of the places they do this,
these roads aren't that great.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Do you, Glenn, do you support the idea because I'm,
like I said, I've been pursuing this within my own office,
trying to make sure we're legally able to do this.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
And that's the right thing.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But would you support for those guys that engage in
this behavior not just seizing their vehicles for the moment,
but trying to forfeit them, and that means taking away
their title to them, like taking it from them.
Speaker 7 (04:07):
I think there's a place for that. And those guys
I was just talking about, I mean, we were going
along four seventy in actually the toll section on motorcycles
about a week and a half ago on a charity run,
and we were doing you know, sixty six sixty seven
something like that, pretty much legit, and something blue in
(04:29):
some form of pasta rocket I think it might have
been a Ferrari probably went past us doing north of
one hundred and forty oh and in the right lane
in the two left lanes, you know, so like they
were in the mirror and then they were there and
then they were gone. And obviously that's on camera somewhere,
and I imagine those cameras probably can gage speed to
(04:51):
some extent. You know, that might be somewhere where you
might want to apply that.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, yeah, let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I mean, because you're the most vulnerable out there if
you're on bikes. Nobody is more vulnerable on the road
to bed driving than you, guys are. How do you
deal with that when you see that? If like you
come up on street racing, do you just wait for
it to pass?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Do you pull over? Exit? What are you doing?
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Well?
Speaker 7 (05:13):
If there's one hundred and fifty people in a street
in a circle around two cars that are currently doing donuts,
you pretty much gotta stop. And that's a big nuisance
and it's a pain in the arson. It's like, you
gotta just try to stay safe in that situation and
try and interrupt. It's probably a dangerous thing to do too,
So anything you can do is go around It is great,
(05:35):
but sometimes you can't get around it. But at the
same time, you know, when the voice comes north out
of Castle Rock up by twenty five, you know, down
the hill away from Castle Pines, and you know you're
going with the flow of traffic reasonably, and all of
a sudden, you know, your hat flies off in front
(05:55):
of you at eighty miles an hour. That's yeah, that's
not so safe. I mean, Glenn, the fact that I.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Was gonna say, let me ask you another question related
to the bike stuff, since you're an expert, I'm not.
And that is when I'm driving down the road, I
totally get that when I come to a stop sign
or a stoplight that motorcycles where they can can roll
through the stop traffic vehicle traffic, I get that. But
what I don't get and what scares the Bejesus out
(06:25):
of me, is I'm going down I twenty five and
I'm doing whatever sixty five, seventy five, one hundred and five,
whatever it is, whatever's the lawful amount, and they come
blowing right in between two cars where I swear if
I just took my eye off the road for a
minute and drifted to the right, these guys goes spinning
off like something out of tron like one.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I don't think that's legal's but what do you do
with that?
Speaker 7 (06:47):
No, Well, that that's hard to be aware of. You
got to be very attended to see that coming at you.
And again, you know, like Jicks are brought with this
video there a while ago where he got extradited up
here because he you know, Colorado Springs to Denver in
twenty eight minutes or whatever. He was doing a whole
lot of lane splitting while he was doing that. I
think there's a place for lane splitting in California is
(07:09):
not one of the states that disallows it. They allow it,
but their roads are also I think substantially wider lane
to lane than us, and they kind of count on
that and they're aware that that's going on. So in
a state where it's not commonly practiced, it's really really dangerous.
And even if the cars are sitting still. You know,
(07:29):
somebody might decide they're going to open a door on you.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Right right, Would you report racers that you saw on
the road in front of you. We talked to Chief
Chamberlain about it. Would you take that step or.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Is it kind of like that as long as it
gets pass me?
Speaker 7 (07:47):
You know again, I think it's kind of case by case.
If they are somewhere out here in Elizabeth at the
end of the circle where there's no houses yet, that's
one thing. But if they're doing it in the middle
of downtown Parker all of a sudden, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Have, by the way, getting harder and harder to say,
in Elizabeth where there may not be houses, because Parker
is creeping up on a little wo Yeah it is, Hey, Glenn,
thanks for the phone call man. It is Thanks for
the call man. I appreciate this. Hey, listen a couple
texts and that we'll cut away for a break and
we'll get to your calls. At three O three seven
(08:22):
one three eighty two fifty five, the drivers that are
racing routinely reached speeds of over one hundred Glenn said
that on the interstate at some point, physics takes over
should there be a mechanical problem or flat tire, and
these people will not be able to.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Control their vehicles. True. Here's another one. I'm glad you clarified.
That was a Radio three so oh boy, George.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
In the nineteen seventies, we used to race on sixteenth
Street downtown when the only.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
People there were cruisers and racers.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
They didn't even have homeless. Then they ruined everything with
the mall. Well, they took them all out of the world.
I think you can go back now it's just sixteenth Street.
Maybe you can do it again.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's real classy for that. It says this is the
one to dan you paid those people. I don't even
know what that means.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
The craziness is happening more because none of these kids
grew up with a bed to sleep, and they slept
on the floor of their rooms belonged to another family.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Blah blah blah. I don't Yeah, I didn't understand that
one either. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Here's another one looking forward to Oh that was REEMS
and they need to crack down on these extremely loud
exhaust systems.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah, what's up with that? Get a muffler.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I live close to Eleif, and it's gotten much worse
by the way. That, to me is a little bit
of the equivalent of the freak shows that walk around
either the mall, the gym, the grocery store, and they've
never heard of bluetooth, and they're talking on their phone,
but they have their phone on speaker. It could be FaceTime,
I don't know. And they're holding it up like they're
(09:50):
about to eat something out of it, you know what
I mean, Like they're going to port into their mouth.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I'm like, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
At the gas station, I'm like, if you have never
heard of bluetooth, can you put it up to your ear?
Is it cancer they're trying to avoid or do they
just need us to hear that that conversation that they're
having it It is incredibly rude and crazy. It's worse
to me than the people that have a tough time
quieting down in the movie theater, like I don't want
to share your conversation with you. The loud muffler thing
(10:19):
feels kind of similar.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
Ish.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I guess I was looking for some sort of validation Kelly. Now, well,
we're working on still. We got a bunch of callers
coming in, but we better take a break. George, my gosh,
we do have it's not allow what happens here? How
do you guys shut this thing off? No, I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
We love the caller three all three seven, one, three
eight two five five. Tons of texts, We've read several
of them now hashtag five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Am I supposed to say hashtag? Or is that sounds
cooler when you do that? Or is it sound like www?
Is it like that?
Speaker 9 (10:48):
Hashtag five?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Hashtag five seven seven three nine, hashtag five seven seven
three nine, and of course three O three seven three
eighty two fifty five. Let's cut away for a break
and then we'll come back. We'll talk to Jack, Mike,
everybody else calling in. It's George Brockler filling in for
the Mighty Dan Caplis on The Dankpla Show.
Speaker 9 (11:07):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I feel like we could just do the Grease soundtrack
as we're really talking about any topic. George Brockler filling
in for Dan Campbelis on The Dankplas Show.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
We've been talking about street racing.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
We had on Chief Todd Chamberlain from the Aurora police
departments to talk about extra efforts they're putting out there
to crack down on it. I know it's a problem
in our jurisdiction. We've had conversations in our own office
about taking these cars and forfeiting them from these people.
I should have said the other part is this, You
know these racers rarely, and.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I've seen it both ways.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I've seen the racers themselves get across all the lanes
of traffic and slow down and then try to take
off when they get a quarter mile or something like that.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
But I've also.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Seen other folks play the role of like a bumper
car or a buffer car to allow that distance. We're
gonna go after them as well. And I'm telling you
we're going to take your cars. We're going to forfeit them.
If it's mom and Dad's car, it's gonna be an
issue you'll have to explain to them. But if it's
(12:15):
your car, we're gonna try to take it and forfeit it.
So best thing to do don't break the law. And
I've said this so many times, but if you're inclined
to break the law, you just can't help it. Go
break it somewhere else. Sounds like Aurora in Douglas County,
not the places to do it. Going right back to
the phone lines at three h three seven three eighty
two fifty five, Jack from Cheyenne, is that in Rhode Island?
Speaker 10 (12:39):
Jack?
Speaker 11 (12:41):
I think it is.
Speaker 10 (12:41):
Yeah, but I'm going to Wyoming anyway.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Okay, great Jack? How are you doing? What do you
think about all this?
Speaker 10 (12:48):
I think a lot about it.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
I maybe two.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
I've been driving since I'm fourteen. I'm gonna tell you something.
Straight up and down this it's'n be hard for you
to understand this. All passing on the right hand side
at any speed is dangers The higher the speed, the
more dangerous it is. All passing should always be done
in the left hand lane, period.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
What do you do if and in Colorado you've seen this, Jack,
I've lived it, and that is people see the left
lane as the place to go where you want to
drive and have an unobstructed view in front of you.
So let's say you're in that lane, they just refuse
to go faster than the traffic to the right of them.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
What do you do with that?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (13:29):
And that does happen, and it is frustrating. But if
you've got a little bit of patience to think guy
will eventually wake up and get out of your way.
I mean, that's kind of what you need to gootle patience.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
What do you do about these racers?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I'm sure you've seen them as well, And maybe it
happens up in Cheyenne or Wyoming and it doesn't seem
like it's as big a deal because the congestion.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Is way way different. How do you deal with this?
What do you think?
Speaker 10 (13:54):
Well, young people are always going to do that and
you're not going to change it. And yes, speed is
dangerous and it's particularly dangerous when people are very young.
I understand that, but you're not going to change that.
We all did that. I mean I had double a
fuel dracts at twelve hundred horse power that we ran
on the streets in the Bronx today. I mean, come on,
we've all done that.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Well, so then what's the answer. How do you deter
this or do you just go oh well.
Speaker 10 (14:19):
No, it's simple. You set up a place and you
put in an old abandoned air strip, you and you
make it available for these kids to go out there
and do the Who's fastest routine and make it safe.
I mean, that's how you do it, and you put
it with a general public's not exposed to it. I mean,
it's pretty simple stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
George, Well, we've had that.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
We've had that with Bandomir out there by the hog
Back out in Jeffco. And I know Vandimir I think
is moving towards a roar or something like that. But
let's say you set that up and you still have
this activity, don't you have to take pretty pretty uh
strong aswer.
Speaker 10 (14:52):
I don't think.
Speaker 11 (14:53):
I don't.
Speaker 10 (14:53):
I don't think vando mer is available twenty four to
seven for a couple of guys who wanted to go
out and see who's got the fastest car. I think
that's I think those are scheduled events on Saturdays only.
I think they're religious. They don't track race on Sundays
like the rest of the world does. So I think
that's not applicable on this conversation.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Well, so if you set that up, and I guess
you'd have to have someone man this thing twenty four
to seven, I presume you would expect the drivers, not
the city or the state, to bear the financial burden
of that. What do you do with the people that
just don't and they're like, I'm not going through that expense.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I'm just going to go do this the way I
want to do it.
Speaker 10 (15:26):
Yeah, I know you mentioned confiscating their vehicle. I think
there's a lot of legal implications as to whether or
not you can confiscate people's property because if you can
do that for that, I can confiscate your car because
you spit bubble gum out on the sidewalk.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
No, No, that's different. No, that's different. There are laws
in place on forfeit. Well, the law says it's different,
So you're right, there are legal ramifications for it. But
engaging in this kind of behavior where it is the
source of the criminality, it is the implement for it.
That's different than you throwing gum out on the road.
You can throw gum out on the road from a bike,
from a dead standstill, from the passenger side. Which you
(16:01):
can't do is race a car you're not driving.
Speaker 10 (16:04):
Okay, who gets to decide who can confiscate whose property?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
You're talking about confidence the judges.
Speaker 10 (16:08):
Property get something that's a lot more involved than trying
to keep people from the street race.
Speaker 9 (16:14):
But it's not.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's not because it's the punitive sanction well, it's the
punitive sanction that one keeps them from doing it again,
and two acts as a deterrent. In fact, whatever we
got from those forfeitures, I would likely turn over into
some sort of a campaign to deter others from doing it.
It's not a get rich scheme or just take people's
property thing. It's a how to go ahead.
Speaker 10 (16:34):
I don't think constitutionally you have the right to do that.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
We do.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
We for we're able to forfeit property. Yeah, we get
a forfeit property under the laws that exist. And to
answer your question, judges make that decision.
Speaker 10 (16:48):
Okay, they make that decision. But there's an affirmative defense
to that.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
What's the affirmative defense.
Speaker 10 (16:54):
It's the amendment that means a penalty more than ten
times actual damages is unconstitutional.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
That it's not.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, but it's not a penalty one that's not in
the eighth Amendment too. It's not a penalty. It is
a civil consequence, much like getting points on your license
or having your license suspended. That is not a criminal action.
The criminal action may lead to it, but you can
have stuff forfeited without ever being a key.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Hang on, hang on Jack, hang on Henk Jeff.
Speaker 10 (17:21):
Hang on one second, property Jack, you're talking about property.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Jeff, you can have property seized and forfeited without having
committed a crime.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
We sees nuisances all the time. I gotta let you go,
my man.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Great having a conversation with you, Mike from Lakewood, that's
my hometown. I can't wait to talk with you when
we come back. You joined him three or three seven
one three eighty two fifty five. George Brockler filling in
for Dan Caplis on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
George Roger back in for Dan Caplis, still talking about topic.
I didn't know it would take us this direction and
with this much great participation which you can join. Three
h three seven one three eighty two fifty five. Talking
about street racing going on in and around the metro
area and the different steps to tackle it. Had a
great conversation with Jack from Cheyenne.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Jack brought up something about passing on the right, and
here's a Texter. It says announcer, I think you're a
right lane passer. I'll be honest, I would pass on
the right. I mean I don't know if it's nana
or papa or someone who's just not paying attention.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
It's not really an age thing.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Honestly, I'm not looking for seatbelts hanging out the driver's
side door. It could be anybody. But there are people
who think that the left lane is just like the
right lane, and they hang out in there because there's
no one in front of them, and it's just so
fun because they can drive at almost any below sixty
five and it's okay. And the admonition, by the way
from Jack which was just have patients, Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Do you know how many days of my life I.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Lose every single year to pour traffic decisions by others?
NA No, no, I don't ever push it to make
it reckless. But there's a level of affirmative aggression, appropriate
aggression that you can take to try to avoid some
of the worst drivers that are out there are text
line five seven, seven, thirty nine. When it comes to traffic,
(19:32):
and the left lane doing ten to fifteen over the limit,
like most do, is fast enough for all traffic. I
will not move out of the left lane if I'm
going the most we all should. It is now up
to the person in that left lane me not to
move as to help enforce the law and keep those
from speeding.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Period. I'm not moving for a lunatic to pass. I
don't know how I feel about that.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I don't want to make my speed match theirs. Do
I get out of the way. That's a great question.
Three or three said one three eighty two fifty five.
Mike from the town I grew up and it's called Lakewood, Colorado.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
How are you good?
Speaker 11 (20:07):
Uh, George, I really like what you're doing up there
in Douglas County.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 11 (20:12):
Please keep it up.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, move, come move and join us. Man, we'd love
the safety. Tell me where you're at in lake Wood.
I don't need the address, but what are your big
cross streets?
Speaker 11 (20:20):
Yaleen Sheridan.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Oh buddy, you are right there. You're out there on
the eastern edge. Man. You're about to dip into what
Englewood Denver area over there.
Speaker 11 (20:29):
Denver's across the street.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
You know what. And this is not a reflection of
you or your community.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I had a murder out there many years ago, a
guy named Kenneth Edward Epperson who shot a dude just
on the west side of Sheridan. It only became relevant
because he dumped the body at Bear Creek State Park
and when the call came in, it came in from Denver.
Denver PD rolls out, they pick up the witness. The
witness is crying hard to understand, and the Denver guys,
(20:55):
according to her, got visibly excited as she was describing
where the actual and took place.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
It didn't actually take place on the eastern shirt, and
they were like.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It's not us. They were just thrilled to trifle the
way to Bear Creek State Park and pass the body
off to the lake with police, which is where you're
at right now.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Mike. That's not why you called in. But tell us
what's going on with the racing.
Speaker 11 (21:15):
So I put up with this crap every Sunday night
driving home from work from North Glenn to home and
get passed on the left and the right side two
dozen times in that one trip, after ten o'clock at
night on a Sunday. I'm a retired firefighter and we
(21:37):
were always looking for cars to cut up for auto
extrication training. So if you're going to take these guys cars,
make them go out to the parking lot of the
courthouse where South Metro standing by with extrication tools in
hand and make them watch the fire department cut up
(21:58):
their car into a pieces.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Mike, I love this.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
In fact, another Texter earlier in the show had said, Hey,
these guys aren't going to care if the car gets taken.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
They need to see it get crushed.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I like your idea even better because it has a
positive message and it provides training, like people can actually
see this is what happens if you wipe out at
one hundred and ten miles an hour on I twenty five.
This is who has to show up and do us.
I like that idea quite a bit. Have you guys
done that before?
Speaker 11 (22:26):
We haven't had confiscated cars, but we would have cars
that were left at a pound and not reclaimed, and
so we would pull them back to training and cut
them up on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Now, Mike, you're a former firefighter. When this happens to
you on the drive from North Glenn, do you do
anything about it? I mean, do you pick up the
phone and call?
Speaker 11 (22:51):
Well, last a week ago, there were two thortant traffic
cars sitting off the right shoulder and they were writing
tickets but calling anybody to do anything about this, especially
rolling through Denver, is absolutely useless. I would rather sit
in a dentist chair for eight hours.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I would say this.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
There are probably jurisdictions that prioritize this differently than it
sounds like Chief Chamberlain.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
From Aurora does.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And I can tell you Douglas County, I mean, Sheriff
Weekly has gone out of his way to say, if
you engage in this behavior, we're going.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
To get you.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
The other thing is if you try to run from
us after engaging this behavior, we're going to get.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
You, and we're going to get your car.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And I appreciate that very This isn't broken windows stuff.
This is bigger than that, but I think we got
to tackle it. I can't thank you enough for the
great phone call, Mike. Thank you so much for that call.
Mike's line is open three h three seven one three
eighty two fifty five on the.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Time for a brief public service announcement for our callers
listeners out there.
Speaker 9 (23:51):
We love you.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
We want you to call in three zero three seven
one three eighty two fifty five. But Kelly, she tries,
sometimes they slip through the cracks. Please roll up your
windows point A point b. Can't do it on a speakerphone.
Not gonna work. It's gonna sound terrible. It does noise,
and I think there was something going on there, some
kind of interference. Can't use earbuds either, So if you
can pull over and talk like you regularly would into
(24:15):
a cell phone the old fashioned way, that's probably the
best way to dial it.
Speaker 10 (24:18):
Well.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
And I've done the same thing, man.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
When you guys have had me on the show, or
Dan has had me on the show, invariably I pop
out the bluetooth, make sure that I'm in some place
in my backyard where the cell phone coverage. Ndoubtedly will
cut out three minutes into the interview. But there's no window,
there's no open window, there's no you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
It's just what we're trying to do here, Kelly and
I behind the scenes, just to give you a look
inside the prism that is six point thirty k Hire
and Denver and of course iHeart throughout the front range.
We're trying to minimize any variables in the equation that
might affect the sound quality. There might be an echo,
there might be a buzz, there might be a hum,
there might be road noise and eliminate all of that
(24:57):
if we can.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Here's some of the naysayers. Man, I love this. I
knew it.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Right lane passers when you're already ten plus over the limit, yep,
that fits.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
No, boy, there's just some aggression here. I like this.
There's a lot of weird texts coming up.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Right lane passers are the kibbit of people. I presume
it's kind of people who break into their high school.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
For a little walker around.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Thank you for being a longtime listener, because that is
something I legitimately have talked about on the radar. Not
of course the sexual limitations has run and it was
all part of a some kind of a tour or
something like that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
But that is.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Such a funny, awkward, awful reference to make right there.
Listen on this, and we'll put a button a pin
is it a button? We put a pin in something?
You button something button and a button? Put a button
in a thing with a pin.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
We'll do both.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
We'll do that when we come back, and it's the
final segment. Really what I want to do, other than
go through the other texts that come in at five
seven seven three nine, that's hashtag five seven seven three
nine is talk to you about this crazy case involving
a park ranger who was viciously attacked and stabbed in
Jefferson County. If you hadn't heard the updates, stick around
(26:06):
for it. It's a real gem. Until that time, though,
you're listening to this guy and I'll be back on
Thursday as well. His name is George Brockler, filling in
for Dan Capla says he fights for his clients inside
and outside of court. It's the Dankpla Show.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
There is a unique combination of musical knowledge, an upbringing
that kind of parallels my own at least in terms
of timing, and just a splash of liquid meth that
allows Ryan to be able to really come up with
This is the most perfect music bumper music that comes
(26:46):
in in. Brian Adams cuts like a knife. It's perfect
because the story I wanted to talk to you about.
If you have been tracking this, you know right, you know,
and we'll play this clip. If you have not been
tracking this, this is crazy STUF. Park rangers are members
of law enforcement. I don't know if they're all post
certified or not, but we want to protect them, right.
These are men and women that go out there. They're
(27:08):
trying to keep the parks and the wildlife places nice
and safe and clean for everybody and all that stuff.
And so this dude named Callum Heskett, not fifteen, not eighteen,
not twenty three, twenty six year old seasonal ranger. He'd
been on the job for I don't know, a couple months.
Maybe it got boring, I don't know. He's in a
(27:29):
Jefferson County park called the Staunton State Park. He calls in.
There's a nine to one one call out there. He
calls in, says he's being attacked, that he's saying stop, stop,
stop attacking me, like he's talking to the person doing this. This
is kind of like a DV nine to one one
call or something like that. And then ultimately they come
across him and he's been stabbed, and it turns into
(27:50):
this big thing. I saw people savaging Jeffco Sheriff's office.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
On this, saying why won't they release more information?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Why is it enough to just say we They do
the investigation, and as it turns out, it's not quite
what we thought.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
The same morning, he is accused of stabbing himself.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
He googled injuries to the.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Abdomen tonight, Please say the park ranger who says he
was stabbed in Staunton State Park on Tuesday by a
six foot, two hundred pound white man made it all up.
Detectives say he actually stabbed himself.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
The reporter Allen.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Today was in the park reporting Tuesday as dozens of
law officers search for a suspect.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
Allan joins US Live tonight with these shocking new details.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Well does he a search? On Tuesday?
Speaker 8 (28:35):
The suspension of the search for a suspect by the
Jefferson County Sheriff's Office.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Caused a lot out there on locals.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
The Sheriff's office at the time said they had come
to believe it was a targeted attack. It turns out
they were onto this ranger's story and disparities in it
within hours, and they now have come to believe he
targeted himself. What it was a search that stretched nearly
eight hours on the ground and from above, all seeking
(29:03):
a man described by an injured seasonal park ranger as
his attacker.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Our initial response to that was massive, as it should be.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Six law enforcement agencies searching for a man they believed
it wrestled a knife away from ranger Callum Heskett and
stabbed him.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
Because we believed what the victim said, and now we
simply know that that's not true.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Heskett said he had approached the man who looked in
distress by a trail, but the man stood up and
said explative the police and charged at him. It meant
the park was shut down and people in the surrounding
area kept out of their homes. A park volunteer we
spoke with new Heskett dedicated competent.
Speaker 10 (29:44):
You know, he's a really sweet guy.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
But soon the story he told authorities would unravel, says
Jeff Coo, sheriff spokesperson Jackie Kelly.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
Well, I'll tell you, with a lot of strange cases,
strange happens a lot, but to absolutely create an elaborate
scheme to bring this many people to your aid for
nothing is rare.
Speaker 8 (30:05):
There was no suspect found. Heskett said he was knocked
down on his back, but that part of his uniform
was clean. Said he'd been punched in the back of
the head. There was no injury on Heskett's phone. A
detective found searches for how deeper arteries in lower abdomen
and abdominal anatomy.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
He is now a suspect in an elaborate hoax, and
we feel very confident that he created a self inflicted
wound to himself and made a story up.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
But they have yet to establish a motive.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
We don't have an answer as to why someone would
do this. We may get to the Y, but in
lots of cases we never get to the y.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
You know that was Alan Jane. By the way, reporting
does a nice job. Listen, there are reasons I can
think of why you would do this, right, Like you
just now realized that the final in your class, which
is ninety percent of your grade, is that morning, and
so you quickly invent a stabbing or something.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
To get out of that.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I don't know what's this guy doing out in what's
going on in his life that he's like, you know,
I could do this.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
And it won't hurt, or if it hurts, it won't
be lethal.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
It's Jesse smolect territory, right, it is Jesse Smolette, juicy smoer,
juicy smoye.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
The other thing that continues to fascinate me is all
of this happened after the dentist trial, where his searches
online became a huge piece of evidence that everyone talked about.
And yet this guy has no problems jumping onto Safari
or chrome or something and looking up how to stab
yourself without leaving a mark or something like that.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Like, what is up with these guys? I will tell
you this, folks, And I've said this for years. We
don't catch the smart ones. We just don't. If we do,
it's by luck, it's bad luck. We tend to catch
the dumb ones. And this is another one. And what's
the motive.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I'm fascinated to hear what it was. But you gotta
believe that this guy is gonna play the mental health card.
That's all he's got. I mean, what else is there?
A bold public defender? And I presume he'll be represented
by the taxpayer because he'll claim that he no longer
has a job and can't afford one. They're gonna come
out and say, no, they're wrong. Yes, he searched for
those things. It was a coincidence. There really is out
(32:27):
at large right now, a six foot and this guy
saves himself by saying white man. Can you imagine if
he had said a six foot tall black man or
Hispanic man or fill in the blank man, and it
had been made up, he would.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Also be a racist.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
But I'll tell you these kinds of cases, take them
super seriously. We have some cases right now involving people
who've pretended to be cops, whether it's to throw reds
and blues on their car and try to pull people
over or flashing badges. Look, we play so much trust
in uniform law enforcement and we expect people to abide
(33:03):
by their orders and dictates on the street that when
somebody usurps that, when somebody calls that into question, and
this is a corollary to it, This is a cousin
to it. When you make up a crime that people
are gonna take seriously. Like this guy could have said, Hey,
some dude ran by me and spit on me. Yeah,
they'd have taken that seriously and looked into it. But
you say I was stab and you invent a stab wound,
(33:26):
and you caused Jeff co to pull people who are
otherwise doing things to protect the community and to turn
crime to go look for some guy that doesn't exist.
You must be incarcerated. There is no second best alternative.
There is no Well, I'm a really nice guy and
I have no criminal history.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
That's something you can discuss with your counselor behind bars. Hey,
listen tomorrow. They've found someone to fill in.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
It's not me.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
They went ahead and I think they toured one of
the homeless shelters in Denver, but they found someone named
Steve Reemes. Never heard of him, but I'll be listening tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Should too.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Is George Brockers filling in for Dan Caplash
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Dateline NBC
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