October 7, 2025 • 36 mins
Carrie Severino, President of the Judicial Crisis Network, joins Dan to discuss the religious freedom case of Chiles v. Salazar before the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday.
Carrie posted on X: 'Three years ago, Colorado established a universal preschool program. The Department of Early Childhood emphasized that the program was intended for all families but ultimately denied preschool funding to parents who send their kids to Catholic schools. Last week, the Tenth Circuit upheld the state’s open discrimination and ruled that Colorado may continue to exclude the Catholic preschools.'
https://x.com/JCNSeverino/status/1975589235777278317
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Carrie posted on X: 'Three years ago, Colorado established a universal preschool program. The Department of Early Childhood emphasized that the program was intended for all families but ultimately denied preschool funding to parents who send their kids to Catholic schools. Last week, the Tenth Circuit upheld the state’s open discrimination and ruled that Colorado may continue to exclude the Catholic preschools.'
https://x.com/JCNSeverino/status/1975589235777278317
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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American Way in the US Supreme Court today. We'll talk
a lot about that case today and tomorrow. It's so
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important on so many different levels. But hey, what's more
American than freedom of speech?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Right? Don't tell Jared.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Polus that or any of these lefties who run Colorado right,
because they are all about censorship. They're all about shutting
you up, canceling you, scaring you, whatever they have to
do to get you to shut up, because they cannot win.
They cannot win on the facts, they cannot win on reason,
they cannot win on basic morality, so they have to
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shut you up. And that's what it was all about
in front of the US Supreme Court today in Chiles v.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Salazar.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And this was the so called conversion therapy case in Colorado.
Or you got this therapist out of Coloradado Springs who says, hey,
you know I just talked my therapist talk I just
talk and I talk to these kids who are confused
about their gender, and I talk to them about that
and about you know, how they can be at peace
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with their true gender, et cetera. And so Colorado now
outline that, right, because Colorado has to outlaw the truth
in so many different ways because it doesn't like the truth.
So it has to make it a crime for you
to speak the truth, in this case, making it a
crime for a therapist to speak the truth to a
child who is confused about their genders. So fortunately the
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US Supreme Court has figured out the left in Colorado, right.
I mean, what was the first clue? Jack Phillips, and
then three ozho three Creative and now you've got childs v.
Sallis are another case where I expect the US Supreme
Court to do what they did, you know, with Jack Phillips,
and do what they did with three oh three Creative,
and just step up and say no, Colorado, your open
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hostility toward faith, a particularly Christian faith, and your relentless
effort to censor people and shut down their freedom of speech,
We're onto you. And the US approved. I think the
message from the US Supreme Court once again is going
to be as many times as we have to. We're
going to take cases out of Colorado and we're going
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to deliver a loud and clear message that no, you
cannot be censoring people just because you don't like what
they say. And so often what the lefties who run
the state don't like is that people are being true
to their faith and they're saying things that are true
to their faith. And when it comes to this conversion
therapy stuff, listen, I mean, come on, I think the
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people of Colorado as a whole are in the right place,
which is there is no hostility toward gay people, there
isn't any hostility toward trans people. There's no animists, there's
no negative, there's just a hey.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But I can't give up my faith. I can't give
up my right to free speech.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Whereas Paul List and the rest of the left want
to strip away your right to free speech, your right
to practice your faith. So you have to practice their
faith right, and that's what the left is trying to do.
Substitute their religion for your faith. Three O three seven
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Speaker 3 (03:24):
Real quick on that note, because I know a lot
of listeners might be having the same question.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
That I do.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And this is so frustrating because it feels like groundhog Day.
But we watch Masterpiece Cake Shaan, and that case go through.
You talked with Jack Phillips about that, You talk to
Laurie of three h three Creative. Basically, the same case
goes through Supreme Court United States adjudicated the same way.
This feels like a third bite at the apple for
the Left on this very same issue, though.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
You know, I'm glad you asked that same issue in
the sense it right, you're talking about freedom of speech,
freedom of religion, right, This takes a different form in
my opinion, which makes it also reallyguing right because here
you're talking about a therapist in this one on one encounter,
and as we start to get into.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
With guests and stuff, we start to get into the
deep dive. You know, you get.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Into this distinction between speech and conduct and things like that. So,
say you have a different kind of doctor who's also
going to conduct surgery on you. The surgery part of
that is is conduct, right, it's not speech. But here
when you're talking about a therapist and all this person
does is talk, you know this person is not going
to cut your arm off. This person is not going
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to inject you with something. This person is just going
to talk to you. And I think, hey, I think
you've got some therapists to do some very very good
work that way. But how is that anything other than speech?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And when Colorado comes in and says, oh, yeah, but
here's what you can't talk to that little boy about.
So you got a little boy sitting there, and you know,
it could be what could be ten, could be twelve,
could be eight, could be thirteen. You got this little
boy sitting there, and the boy has all the boy parts,
and the boy is confused about gender. And so now
what Jared Polis in the left say is, hey, unless
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you want to be charged as a criminal and convicted
as a criminal in Colorado, you cannot say certain things
to that little boy. And that's how they try to
shut it down, right, is okay, it's going to be
legal now to say this little boy, no, you're really
a little boy. But it's legal, and Jared Polis's Colorado
to say no, little boy, you're really a little girl.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Right, I mean, think about how crazy that is. And
I think the.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
US Supreme Court is going to resoundingly say once again,
Colorado that's crazy. But do you agree with me Ryan
on that distinction that in this case, yeah, you've got
the common denominator of freedom of speech, freedom of religion,
but you've got this different, this different dynamic going this
different form of it.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I guess it just shows all the various different ways
and angles that those in power, the left in Colorado
are trying to attack your freedom of speech and freedom
of religion.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Well, right, and believe me, I see the similarity as
you do between you know, Jack Phillips and three or
three creative you know, where you're talking about the cake
shop on the one hand, you're talking about the wedding
on the other, and now in this case you're talking
about a therapist. The common denominator, of course, is you're
telling them what they have to say.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
You're telling because all three are a different form of speech.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Right, if you're doing the creative on the cake, if
you're doing the creative on the wedding, here you're doing
the therapy. That it's still the left in each of
those cases trying to control your speech and stop you
from saying certain things and make you say other things.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That's the specific instance here, Dan that really troubles me,
and it would trouble me if it was coming from
the right as well, which is every therapist is going
to be different, and there might be some therapists that
recommend some kind of gender transition therapy. Unfortunately that might
be the case from our perspective of it. But to
rule by FIAT and say you can only affirm a
child's desire to be the opposite gender rather than present
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a menu of options, that that's one lane. There's another lane.
Maybe you're not transgender, maybe you're gay, or maybe you're
just going through something right now with genderness for you,
you might grow out of it. The fact that you're
not even allowed to present that menu of options, that's
the chilling and troubling part to me.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Right, and that's why again Colorado is going to get
slipped down by the US Supreme Court, right, And that
that's the silver lining there, pretty darn big silver lining.
But it's also so revealing about the left. And you
would hope we end up with candidates for these major
offices who can help use this to explain to the
people of Colorado why you cannot keep electing these lefties.
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And probably the most glaring example in Colorado, Ryan that
that got the most attention. As you all know, you
cover it on Ryan's Great Show two to four each afternoon.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Sixth certy k you in Denver.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Is the Colorado legislature now trying to tell you as
a parent, Oh no, Dad, Okay, you got a little boy.
You can't tell your little boy he's actually a little boy.
You have to tell your little boy he's actually a girl,
or you're going to lose custody. Yeah, remember that whole gambit.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Oh yeah, so that is just what the left does.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
And thank God literally for the US Supreme Court stepping in.
Thank the Trump voters in sixteen ten again in twenty four,
you know, for saving the US Supreme Court so we
can actually get these decisions based on the Constitution rather
than having the Supreme Court turned into a Democrat legislature.
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Speaker 2 (08:40):
That is so much more ahead on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And now back to the Dan Taplass Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
I'm getting calls from Democrats wanting to meete.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
I never even heard their names before, and they claim.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Me to be living.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
The Democrats have no leader. They remind me of Somalia. Okay,
you know, and I met the president of Somalia. I
told him about the problem is Scott, I said, you
have somebody from Somalia who's telling us how to run
our country from Somalia. He said, would you like to
take her back?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
He said, no, I don't want her. Okay, you know
what I'm talking about. We're going to miss this, Scotty.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
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Speaker 2 (09:27):
A lot going on today.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
US Supreme Court once again hearing a religious liberty case
out of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
And you know it's going to just keep on coming.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
But one thing I'd love to know from you, because
we opened the show by talking in some detail about
Chiles Feast Salazara, the so called Colorado conversion therapy case,
and we'll get into more detail throughout the show, but
I'd love your take on how did Colorado, of all places,
get so anti Christian? How did Colorado get so anti Christian?
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Which you know, I haven't been here forever, just about
what fifty years, but it would seem to me, of
all the places in the world to turn anti Christian
Colorado would be the last place.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And the reason I say that is just the obvious.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Nobody has to be a theologian or biblical scholar or
anything else to know the beauty of the Creator is
seen in the beauty of creation. We're surrounded by beauty here.
We're surrounded by this really stunning natural beauty. So it
seems like it's the last place that would turn anti
God anti Christian. How did Colorado become so secular? Now, listen,
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I know the history of the blueprint and how the
left took over Colorado through you know, these four rich
guys and all this and that. But is that the answer?
Maybe it is as to how Colorado? Because I know
there are so many good people of faith here.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So maybe the more refined.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Question is how did the faithful people of Colorado end
up getting rolled and giving up their state to a
bunch of secular, anti faith, anti Christian extremists.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
How did we get rolled?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
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I think that's the right talk topic, Grian. I think
that's the right way to frame the question, how did
we get rolled? Because I know I don't know about you.
I know an awful lot of people of faith, an
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awful lot of Christian faith. I know an afloat of
Jewish people. I know an awful lot of people of
all faiths, but more Christians, just you know, bigger population.
I happen to be a Catholic Christian, and I know
so many people who are Christians, and no matter what
they do for a living, starting with the toughest job,
right raising a family, say if it's a housewife or
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a house husband, whatever. All these Christians, all of us
who you know, were so strong in our day lives,
and we're so committed, and we're so gutsy and all
these other things.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yet we let a bunch of.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Lefty, radical, secularist, anti Christian types you know, rule the state.
How does that happen? And I know we're blessed with
plenty of Democrats and unaffiliated in the audience. It's not
just Republicans and conservatives. So how did this happen? Love
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how are we going.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
To reverse this?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Because it's our job to reverse it, no matter how
hard that is. We can't just sit around in wind.
Oh it's so hard. But how did it happen to
begin with? Let me get to some texts, some calls
as well, And it really is such a sad state
of affairs because you can't just sit back and say, well,
you know, we traded our faith and our values and
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our morals and our virtues, we traded it all for
because that'd be bad, right, But look what's happening. This
state is not getting richer, you know, the left is
stripping this state of prosperity.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
So it can't be that.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It's not like we traded the stuff that really matters
for the stuff that really doesn't. The left hasn't delivered
anything on any front other than going backwards. Has there
been a single category, a single measurable category that's gotten
better in Colorado under leftist rule? I can't think of one,
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not a good category. Is there a single bad category
that's been anything other than go up.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Get worse under leftist rule? I can't think of one.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Dan Colorado was anti Christian when it became the first
state to legalize abortion. Well, I appreciate that historical perspective,
and it's a valuable one. It's important. How and why
did Colorado become one of the first states. I thought
there was one other state to legalize abortion? How did
that happen? I'd love your thoughts on that, but it's
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under the brother umbrella of how did we get rolled?
How did people of faith get rolled in Colorado and
get to the point where where all the power has
been given to a bunch of secularists with such an
open hostility toward Christianity, they repeatedly get called out by
the US Supreme Court. Let's go up to beautiful Fort Collins.
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We'll start with Steve. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Welcome Steve, Hey Dan, I'm a Christian. I've lived in
Colorado now for forty three years, and I believe one
of the reasons we've been rolled is so many churches,
and I've been a part of some of them. I'm
not now, thank goodness, have been told Christians we don't
get political pastors.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
We don't talk politics. We just peach to the gospel.
We just love our neighbors. But we don't speak We're
not political, and so we we've rolled over we vote,
but we don't get involved, and so we get rolled.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Fascinating. I'm not doubting there's truth in that.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I know. I happen to be a Catholic Christian and
we've been blessed with a series of bishops who have
stood up and they've said, listen, it's not red, it's
not blue. They're not partisan, they're not Democrat, they're not Republican.
But but you know, we get to speak out on
the big moral issues of the day. So the Catholic
Church has stood up on those issues. I can't speak
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to others.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Well, I'm a part of the non denominational churches and
have been several and they you say, and I talked
to several pastors, and I think this abortion, this is
a moral issue.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
They'll g beat this is these are moral issues. Why
is it when I come to church every week it's crickets. Well,
we don't want to be political. We don't want to
be political. We just want to preach the gospel. But
they don't understand the gospel because Jesus was political. Yeah,
this was political, but they don't want to talk about it.
And I think that they don't know how to deal
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with it.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yes, Steve, great call on that, Thank you man, great
call on that. And again, as a Catholic Christian, I'm
just very grateful that in our church know that the
bishops have been fearless and it and these issues again
not partisan politics, but these issues are addressed from the
pulpit and they do get involved in issue campaigns, a
critical issue campaigns every now and then. So and I
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do agree with Steve that that I think that's critical. Listen,
we know one thing right, It's it's simple but profoundly true.
If the people of Colorado vote their faith, then the
left is thrown out of office.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
That that's why.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And the bad things the left is doing ideologically, those
things went in. That's why Jared Polis, the day after
he won governor's office for the first time, came and said, hey,
you got to keep your faith outside the public square,
because he knows if people vote their faith, then that
the left is destroyed in Colorado. It's that simple, because
so much of what the left does is directly contrary
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to the faith most people have. And by vote your faith.
And I don't mean to be a broken record, but
it's worth repeating. I'm not saying that as a Catholic.
I vote for Catholics because so many of the Catholic
candidates are doing very anti Catholic teaching things with the
power voters give them. So no, I'm saying, I'm looking
for a candidate. I don't care what party they're from,
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I don't care about a whole lot of other things.
I'm looking for a candidate who is going to take
that power and do things in office that are consistent
with my core beliefs. And my core beliefs are formed
so largely.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
By my faith.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
That's what I'm talking about. By voting your faith? Can
you imagine?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Can you? And I'm picking out one group.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Because I happen to be part of it, can you
imagine if Christians in Colorado voted their faith? I mean,
how dramatically this state would change overnight. And so I
would like to hear from some of our Democrat friends
and unaffiliateds who tend to vote for Democrats more often.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
If you happen to be Christian as.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I am, why do you vote for Democrats when so much,
not everything, but so much of what they do is
just polar opposite to the faith that is at the
center of your life. Now, would love to hear that.
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Carrie Savarino will join us after the break. We're looking
forward to that as well. We'll have a number of
guests including her in Frank at five oh six.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
To talk about. You know, this is very important case
out of Colorado.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Once again.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
You know, the left in Colorado just trying to wipe
out religious freedom, freedom of speech. Supreme Court stepping into
and I expect in this case as well, say no,
you just can't do that.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Sorry, Colorado. You're on the Dan Capitla ship.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
That didn't take much creativity.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
What a great get though. Any day to get Carrie
Savarino is a great day. But to get her on
the day Chiles v. Sala's ours argued in the US
Supreme Court, that is fantastic.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Carrie.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I'm sure you've seen all over national news. She's president
of Judicial Crisis Network. She was a clerk for Justice
Thomas and just kind of a go to expert on
everything Supreme Court related.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
And wow, what a day it is.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
And I also want to ask Carrie, of course, about
this incredibly dangerous sentencing decision for the would be assassin
of justice Kevanaugh. Carrie, welcome to the Dan Kaplas Show.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Great to be here, Dan, Well, thank.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
You so much. Please just just take the floor and run.
Can't wait to get your take on Chiles v.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Salazar.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I had to walk into an appellate court hearing of
my own this morning, or an argument of my own
this morning. But I heard about the first half of Scotus.
So what's your take.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I mean, I think it went really, really well. I
went into the argument optimistic because this is a court
that really does care strongly about the First Amendment. And
I think, you know, Colorado's long laws about as wrong
as it could be on the First Amendment. You've got
a counselor who's entire practice.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
Is just speech.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
It's what can you say to your clients, And they're saying, well,
if you're a licensed counselor, we can veto what you
say and we can decide that you know, I'm sorry
that flies in the face the First Amendment. They're telling
her she can encourage her her clients to maintain a
same sex orientation or their genderice for you, but she
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can't encourage that help them go the opposite direction, even
if that's what they want. So I thought that the
court understood that.
Speaker 9 (20:48):
Today.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
There was a lot of debate and discussion about you know,
is what's happening really speech or do we just regulate
it like we do any other practice of medicine. But
I think the Court understood it's different than saying you
can and prescribe this or that drug. It's this is
when it's purely words, that is a specific thing that
the first moment clearly covers. And so I was very
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encouraged by what I heard today.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Great any prediction at this point, I mean I heard
a lot from Justices Kegan instead of my Or and Jackson.
I would expect they'll dissent, But where do you think
this comes down?
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Yeah, I mean, I think you're right. I think they
probably will, But you know, it went. It went well
enough that I also think there's a chance you could
find them joining the majority opinion. At least in some aspects.
They all seem to agree. You know, Colorado is trying
to get rid of the case now by saying I
can't even bring it because they're saying we're you know,
we haven't even taken her a course, we're not doing her,
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so she can't. I don't even think her stuff is
covered by it. By the end, even Justice Sotomayor said, Okay,
so standing is established, like we got this, you can't.
You can't try to kick them out on these grounds.
So I think they'll they'll come along on some aspects,
and they might they might join to be able to
say things like, well, if it's only speech, this is
not covered. But if it was any any other medical practice,
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or if it was someone who was a fay, a
psychiatrist who is also prescribing medicine or something like that,
then we can block them from doing that. Sometimes you
get the feeling that maybe they're joining because they're hoping
to water down the opinion. We'll see where we'll see
if that if that happened, or maybe maybe we'll see
which we sometimes do a court that really is just
so pro free speech that they realize it's going to
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be too hard to try to write a decision that
that tries to get around the obvious facts that this
is a pre clearance on what someone can actually say.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Terry Severin or guest President Judicial Crisis Network. I loved
Justice Gorsuch with the late breaking standing argument, and then
I think Justice Baird adopted that. But as you say,
Colorado trying to backpedal all over the place.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
But Carrie, let me.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Ask you about this, do you have any sense now,
having you know, look so closely at that Jack Phillips
case and as well as three h three very creative
now child's feast salas are do you have any sense
from the outside as to why Colorado is so hostile
towards faith Christianity in particular. Obviously the justices have observed it,
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But what's your take?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
And yeah, that was one of the challenges for the
SG trying to explain, no, no, no, we're not being we're
not being hostile to faith here, We're just trying to
follow their perspective on the science. But you know, you're
you're there, tell me what's going on, because honestly, it's
surprising to me. I would think even that a state
like Colorado might be a little more live and let
live and just say, okay, you know, let's all kind
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of we can all do our own thing. And they
took a really extreme position, which was shocking to me,
even the way that the SGU put it. She said,
the problem with counseling people to change their sexual orientation
or to try to live in accordance with their actual
biological sex if they if they're feeling this dysphoria, is
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that this that that that's innate and we can't change
things that are I'm like, wait a minute, you're telling
me a boy feeling like a girl that's innate, right,
But how is it that his actual sex isn't an
It's really hard to wrap your brain around what their
what their arguments are, even just on the scientific level,
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because I don't think they're support for what they're saying
that they've certainly, unfortunately led the country in a lot
of these cases having to do with the First Amendment
and conscience rights, and I'm hoping that they fear about
as well. And it's one of the did master Piece
cake Shop and three or three creative?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Well?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, And as Carrie's pointing out, I just thought from
what I heard this morning, you know, the Council for
Childs as well as the US Solicitor General's representative, I
thought they were just absolutely outstanding and really just exposed
Colorado for the lack of medical support for its position.
It's just pure blatant, politically driven, ideologically driven censorship.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Yeah, they kept on saying you they haven't presented any studies,
so like, give us a study that says And I
think another thing that again might bring in even some
of the liberal justices was the point that was made,
which is, Okay, if Colorado can say this, then Tennessee,
who had the landmarkque last term. Yeah, because they've forbidden
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gender reassignment surgeries and cross sex hormones for minors. At
least they could say, hey, you can't have counseling that's
going to encourage kids in this gender just for it,
because we know that if you just leave them alone,
it's something like eighty or ninety percent actually revert to
their birth biological sects. So they could say, hey, we
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should just only encourage kids to do that. And if
Colorado can do it one way, Tennessee can do it another.
And I don't think you know that the justices on
the left want to see that happen.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, And speaking of justices not wanting to see things happen,
I know you clerk there for justice. It seems to
me this preposterous, irresponsible sentencing of justice Kevanaughs would be assassin.
Nicholas Rosky has endangered judges everywhere in this country that
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there's no rational basis for this very very very light sentence.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
What do you think's going on there? And what can
be done?
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Yeah, I mean, I mean the government was asking for
thirty years, which frankly was less than he's been alive,
because they already took into account things like the fact
that he did I mean, thank god he did stop
before he actually did it, because he saw the marshals
right up front of the house. But hey, good good
on him for stopping right, Good on him for pleading
guilty and not putting everyone through the rigamarole of a trial.
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But that was counted in to that thirty years already.
The judge just took it upon herself to really, you know,
she made it into this cause the lab particularly his
again late breaking claims of transgenderism, and it turned she
turned and to we literal get out of j jail free.
She said, well, it'd be really hard because now that
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he said he's transgender, you'd be in a man's male
prison and that might be hard for him. And so
we're going to give him less time, and it's like, wow,
that's not in the sentencing guidelines. I mean, so it's
really disturbing, and particularly even if in just a vacuum,
that would be a disturbing downward departure. But in today's
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world where we're dealing with increasing political violence, We've had,
you know, assassination attempts against the president, successful assassination of
Charlie Kirk, people shooting at ice agents, people shooting at
school children, people shooting at churches. This is not the
time to start giving slap on the wrist sentences for
people that are that are contemplating and attempting this kind
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of politically motivated violence. This is the time to send
a very clear message, and that message definitely was not
sent by the court in the Rosy sentence exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Two more questions if you have a quick second, and
one is tell people a little bit. I know how
many great resources are on the website, but tell them
a little bit about Judicial Crisis Network in case folks
want to get involved, support it whatever.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Yeah, our website is judicialnetwork dot com and we are
dedicated to trying to support the confirmation of judges who
are going to be faithful to the Constitution and.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
The rule of law.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
And you know, this district court judge giving such a
crazy sentence is just an example. It's really important to
the Supreme Court level. But the appellate court judges and
the district court judges have really important jobs. And we've
seen over this past year, in particular, the kind of
mischief that the district court judges can get into as well.
These trial court judges. You can't just write them off too,
so we have to be fighting to get good men
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and women confirmed to these positions. And we also do
a lot of commentary on the Supreme Court, helping people
understand what's at stake and what these real issues are.
You can also follow me on x at JCN Severino
or the Judicial Network at Judicial Network and I blog
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of major things are going on in the nominations and
in the Supreme Court world.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And Carrie is a treasure, tremendous resource. Please follow her
both of those places. Hey, grateful for the time today,
look forward to the next.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
One's all right, good talking to you, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
That is Carrie Severino. Good get Ryan, what a perfect
day to have Carrie. I'd love to have Carrie on
the show every day. She is just one of those
national treasures. Three all three seven one three eight two
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So the Supreme Court gets it right. You've got Colorado
openly hostile to faith to the point the Court has
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to repeatedly slap Colorado down for violating the law.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And that's before we even get to the Trump case.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
But question for you all the people of faith in
Colorado evolve faith and Christians which have been a primary target.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
How did we get rolled? How did we end.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Up with a bunch of far left secularists having powerful
for us in this state. You're on the dan Capla Show.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
And now back to the Dankaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Amazing how that song has tun on? Isn't it that
side back from the early seventies, mid seventies?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
It made it come back with yacht rock, and apparently
it's making a comeback in a different way.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, it turns out the new cu Buffalo, who's fantastic right?
Talk about polar opposites the old buffalo. Yeah, it wouldn't run,
didn't they say? Retired due to indifference to running. Holy cow,
that's when I started to see you. They had a
real buffalo, like a man sized buffalo.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I don't know whether I.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Think the original Roughley might have been female, but a
huge buffalo that would almost always get away from the handlers,
ran all the way out of the stadium at least twice, really,
and then you end up with this thing. Last year
he had to electroshocket, you know, to get it to
job ten yards, but this one runs right out of
the gate.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
The point of the song is that apparently that buffalo
likes that song cool, so they've now named it Brandy.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Can imagine the buffalo juste perking up whenever, oh she
hears that song. I love that and female buffalo right
the new one.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, and I think most of them happened. I'd have
to go back in that history. But just one of
the great traditions in all of college sports. So really
glad to hear that. Speaking of which, and listen obviously
real quick.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, are you surprised Peter hasn't come for Ralphie? You
know what I mean? It's Boulder of all places, people's
republican all that you know then you know, cruelty to
animals again, have the buffalo on the field.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I never really thought of that, but it's kind of like,
you know how the Left hasn't come from Coach Prime. No,
which is poor Bill McCartney. He just wants to say
a prayer, right, and they just they they do everything
they can to punish Bill McCartney in one of the
great Colorado's and Americans ever. And God rest his soul
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Coach Prime. And it's a beautiful thing. I love Coach
Prime talking about God. I wish he talked about God
every day, and I think he does talk about God
every day. But the Left's not coming after Coach Prime.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
It'd be a bad move.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yes, that is a beautiful thing to not see. Hey,
while we're talking about see you and listen. I was
literally grateful every day for the Evans scholarship. I was
a golf caddy if you ever saw the movie Caddy Shack.
And they sent me to college. They sent me to
college at CU Boulder, and every single day on this campus,
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I was grateful to be there.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I'm still grateful to have been there.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Loved the place, but love it enough to show it
the ultimate respect of being honest about it and this
fan behavior I got totally out of control at that
BYU game. It doesn't mean every fan there, obviously it doesn't.
You can get a relative handful of students or somebody
else acting crazy and then everybody gets labeled with it,
and that's not fair. But it does lead to this
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question of where do you draw the line on fan behavior? Now,
whatever you go to, maybe you go to Broncos, maybe
you go to Rockies, maybe you go to Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Maybe to go to.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
All of them like I do, And then where do
you draw the line on fan behavior and how should
that line be in force. Let's start with this nine
News story out to see you.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I think it was a little bit of a reaction.
Speaker 10 (33:25):
It's been more than a week since the CU buffs
spell to BYU. At the game, some students in the
stands crossed the line.
Speaker 9 (33:31):
It was only a select group of people that were
you making some interesting remarks, But I would say the
overall majority people were respectful. But I mean, that's how
sports it goes in college especially You know, people are
going to be disrespectful, but that's kind of part of
the tradition.
Speaker 11 (33:44):
If you ask me, people are going to be how
people are in the student section, and for someone who's
at the game, I think that the things that were
said were maybe blown a little bit out of proportionate.
I thought, if anything, it was a lot worse last
year when we were when we were freshmen in the
student section.
Speaker 10 (33:56):
Video showed buffs bands hollering religious slurs and chance expletives
at BYU, a faith based school supported by the Mormon Church.
The next morning, a man attacked a Mormon church in Michigan,
killing four people and injuring eight others. The days to
come see you was slapped with a fifty thousand dollars
fine and promised it won't happen again.
Speaker 12 (34:16):
See who is making changes. They're stepping up the number
of people working security, even putting playing close police officers
in the sands, and they're adding more tech to make
it easier to monitor fan behavior during games. Fans found
misbehaving could get tossed from the games and possibly not
allowed back in the rest of the season.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
I was reading the email through.
Speaker 11 (34:35):
And I thought that some of the policies that they're
adding into the football games might have been a little
more aggressive than probably was needed.
Speaker 9 (34:44):
I think it's a little tough to put all these
restrictions on the students just because you know a few
bad people, you know, made some weird decision.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, and it is true, right fast majority the fans
are acting the right way. But you know, if you
go to these major sporting events, as I do, I
love going to Buff games. I'd take the family buffe
We've been taking the kids to Buff games since since
they could walk, maybe even before they could walk, and
we still do so we love it. But it does
get to this important broader issue of fan behavior, which
Ryan I think is getting.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Worse year by year.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
You know, and listen, I grew up in Chicago, right,
I grew up going to Soldier Fields, Socks Park, Wrigley,
et cetera. So I'm fine with rough and tumble. I
just think there are some lines. Where do you draw
those lines.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
It's tough because you know, like the kids said, you're
gonna get a little nasty, and that's part of the atmosphere.
But what crosses the line? You know, racial and ethnic
slurs should not be tolerated. I don't think those are necessary.
You can make fun of where they come from or whatever.
I think there's plenty of material, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Well, let's start with obscenity, Okay, and you know, hey, wait,
conversations during breaks, everything else.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I'm no babe in the woods.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
But I just think there should be a clear bright line.
Obscenity should not be allowed at these these sporting rockies, Broncos, Nuggets, abs, whatever.
People should get immediately taken out for that stuff. Why
should people around them, starting with the kids, but anybody,
Why should anybody have to be exposed as so I'd
love your take on that. I mean, should there be
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a clear bright line obscenity not tolerated at any of
these sporting events, A mechanism in place to get rid
of those folks.
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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American Way in the US Supreme Court today. We'll talk
a lot about that case today and tomorrow. It's so
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important on so many different levels. But hey, what's more
American than freedom of speech?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Right? Don't tell Jared.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Polus that or any of these lefties who run Colorado right,
because they are all about censorship. They're all about shutting
you up, canceling you, scaring you, whatever they have to
do to get you to shut up, because they cannot win.
They cannot win on the facts, they cannot win on reason,
they cannot win on basic morality, so they have to
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shut you up. And that's what it was all about
in front of the US Supreme Court today in Chiles v.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Salazar.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And this was the so called conversion therapy case in Colorado.
Or you got this therapist out of Coloradado Springs who says, hey,
you know I just talked my therapist talk I just
talk and I talk to these kids who are confused
about their gender, and I talk to them about that
and about you know, how they can be at peace
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with their true gender, et cetera. And so Colorado now
outline that, right, because Colorado has to outlaw the truth
in so many different ways because it doesn't like the truth.
So it has to make it a crime for you
to speak the truth, in this case, making it a
crime for a therapist to speak the truth to a
child who is confused about their genders. So fortunately the
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US Supreme Court has figured out the left in Colorado, right.
I mean, what was the first clue? Jack Phillips, and
then three ozho three Creative and now you've got childs v.
Sallis are another case where I expect the US Supreme
Court to do what they did, you know, with Jack Phillips,
and do what they did with three oh three Creative,
and just step up and say no, Colorado, your open
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hostility toward faith, a particularly Christian faith, and your relentless
effort to censor people and shut down their freedom of speech,
We're onto you. And the US approved. I think the
message from the US Supreme Court once again is going
to be as many times as we have to. We're
going to take cases out of Colorado and we're going
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to deliver a loud and clear message that no, you
cannot be censoring people just because you don't like what
they say. And so often what the lefties who run
the state don't like is that people are being true
to their faith and they're saying things that are true
to their faith. And when it comes to this conversion
therapy stuff, listen, I mean, come on, I think the
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people of Colorado as a whole are in the right place,
which is there is no hostility toward gay people, there
isn't any hostility toward trans people. There's no animists, there's
no negative, there's just a hey.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
But I can't give up my faith. I can't give
up my right to free speech.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Whereas Paul List and the rest of the left want
to strip away your right to free speech, your right
to practice your faith. So you have to practice their
faith right, and that's what the left is trying to do.
Substitute their religion for your faith. Three O three seven
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Speaker 3 (03:24):
Real quick on that note, because I know a lot
of listeners might be having the same question.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
That I do.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And this is so frustrating because it feels like groundhog Day.
But we watch Masterpiece Cake Shaan, and that case go through.
You talked with Jack Phillips about that, You talk to
Laurie of three h three Creative. Basically, the same case
goes through Supreme Court United States adjudicated the same way.
This feels like a third bite at the apple for
the Left on this very same issue, though.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
You know, I'm glad you asked that same issue in
the sense it right, you're talking about freedom of speech,
freedom of religion, right, This takes a different form in
my opinion, which makes it also reallyguing right because here
you're talking about a therapist in this one on one encounter,
and as we start to get into.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
With guests and stuff, we start to get into the
deep dive. You know, you get.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Into this distinction between speech and conduct and things like that. So,
say you have a different kind of doctor who's also
going to conduct surgery on you. The surgery part of
that is is conduct, right, it's not speech. But here
when you're talking about a therapist and all this person
does is talk, you know this person is not going
to cut your arm off. This person is not going
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to inject you with something. This person is just going
to talk to you. And I think, hey, I think
you've got some therapists to do some very very good
work that way. But how is that anything other than speech?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And when Colorado comes in and says, oh, yeah, but
here's what you can't talk to that little boy about.
So you got a little boy sitting there, and you know,
it could be what could be ten, could be twelve,
could be eight, could be thirteen. You got this little
boy sitting there, and the boy has all the boy parts,
and the boy is confused about gender. And so now
what Jared Polis in the left say is, hey, unless
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you want to be charged as a criminal and convicted
as a criminal in Colorado, you cannot say certain things
to that little boy. And that's how they try to
shut it down, right, is okay, it's going to be
legal now to say this little boy, no, you're really
a little boy. But it's legal, and Jared Polis's Colorado
to say no, little boy, you're really a little girl.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Right, I mean, think about how crazy that is. And
I think the.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
US Supreme Court is going to resoundingly say once again,
Colorado that's crazy. But do you agree with me Ryan
on that distinction that in this case, yeah, you've got
the common denominator of freedom of speech, freedom of religion,
but you've got this different, this different dynamic going this
different form of it.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I guess it just shows all the various different ways
and angles that those in power, the left in Colorado
are trying to attack your freedom of speech and freedom
of religion.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Well, right, and believe me, I see the similarity as
you do between you know, Jack Phillips and three or
three creative you know, where you're talking about the cake
shop on the one hand, you're talking about the wedding
on the other, and now in this case you're talking
about a therapist. The common denominator, of course, is you're
telling them what they have to say.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
You're telling because all three are a different form of speech.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Right, if you're doing the creative on the cake, if
you're doing the creative on the wedding, here you're doing
the therapy. That it's still the left in each of
those cases trying to control your speech and stop you
from saying certain things and make you say other things.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That's the specific instance here, Dan that really troubles me,
and it would trouble me if it was coming from
the right as well, which is every therapist is going
to be different, and there might be some therapists that
recommend some kind of gender transition therapy. Unfortunately that might
be the case from our perspective of it. But to
rule by FIAT and say you can only affirm a
child's desire to be the opposite gender rather than present
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a menu of options, that that's one lane. There's another lane.
Maybe you're not transgender, maybe you're gay, or maybe you're
just going through something right now with genderness for you,
you might grow out of it. The fact that you're
not even allowed to present that menu of options, that's
the chilling and troubling part to me.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Right, and that's why again Colorado is going to get
slipped down by the US Supreme Court, right, And that
that's the silver lining there, pretty darn big silver lining.
But it's also so revealing about the left. And you
would hope we end up with candidates for these major
offices who can help use this to explain to the
people of Colorado why you cannot keep electing these lefties.
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And probably the most glaring example in Colorado, Ryan that
that got the most attention. As you all know, you
cover it on Ryan's Great Show two to four each afternoon.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Sixth certy k you in Denver.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Is the Colorado legislature now trying to tell you as
a parent, Oh no, Dad, Okay, you got a little boy.
You can't tell your little boy he's actually a little boy.
You have to tell your little boy he's actually a girl,
or you're going to lose custody. Yeah, remember that whole gambit.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Oh yeah, so that is just what the left does.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
And thank God literally for the US Supreme Court stepping in.
Thank the Trump voters in sixteen ten again in twenty four,
you know, for saving the US Supreme Court so we
can actually get these decisions based on the Constitution rather
than having the Supreme Court turned into a Democrat legislature.
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Speaker 2 (08:40):
That is so much more ahead on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And now back to the Dan Taplass Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
I'm getting calls from Democrats wanting to meete.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
I never even heard their names before, and they claim.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Me to be living.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
The Democrats have no leader. They remind me of Somalia. Okay,
you know, and I met the president of Somalia. I
told him about the problem is Scott, I said, you
have somebody from Somalia who's telling us how to run
our country from Somalia. He said, would you like to
take her back?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
He said, no, I don't want her. Okay, you know
what I'm talking about. We're going to miss this, Scotty.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
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Speaker 2 (09:27):
A lot going on today.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
US Supreme Court once again hearing a religious liberty case
out of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
And you know it's going to just keep on coming.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
But one thing I'd love to know from you, because
we opened the show by talking in some detail about
Chiles Feast Salazara, the so called Colorado conversion therapy case,
and we'll get into more detail throughout the show, but
I'd love your take on how did Colorado, of all places,
get so anti Christian? How did Colorado get so anti Christian?
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Which you know, I haven't been here forever, just about
what fifty years, but it would seem to me, of
all the places in the world to turn anti Christian
Colorado would be the last place.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And the reason I say that is just the obvious.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Nobody has to be a theologian or biblical scholar or
anything else to know the beauty of the Creator is
seen in the beauty of creation. We're surrounded by beauty here.
We're surrounded by this really stunning natural beauty. So it
seems like it's the last place that would turn anti
God anti Christian. How did Colorado become so secular? Now, listen,
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I know the history of the blueprint and how the
left took over Colorado through you know, these four rich
guys and all this and that. But is that the answer?
Maybe it is as to how Colorado? Because I know
there are so many good people of faith here.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So maybe the more refined.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Question is how did the faithful people of Colorado end
up getting rolled and giving up their state to a
bunch of secular, anti faith, anti Christian extremists.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
How did we get rolled?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
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I think that's the right talk topic, Grian. I think
that's the right way to frame the question, how did
we get rolled? Because I know I don't know about you.
I know an awful lot of people of faith, an
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awful lot of Christian faith. I know an afloat of
Jewish people. I know an awful lot of people of
all faiths, but more Christians, just you know, bigger population.
I happen to be a Catholic Christian, and I know
so many people who are Christians, and no matter what
they do for a living, starting with the toughest job,
right raising a family, say if it's a housewife or
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a house husband, whatever. All these Christians, all of us
who you know, were so strong in our day lives,
and we're so committed, and we're so gutsy and all
these other things.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yet we let a bunch of.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Lefty, radical, secularist, anti Christian types you know, rule the state.
How does that happen? And I know we're blessed with
plenty of Democrats and unaffiliated in the audience. It's not
just Republicans and conservatives. So how did this happen? Love
your thoughts? Three or three seven one three eight two
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seven three nine. Of course we talk a lot about Okay, well,
how are we going.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
To reverse this?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Because it's our job to reverse it, no matter how
hard that is. We can't just sit around in wind.
Oh it's so hard. But how did it happen to
begin with? Let me get to some texts, some calls
as well, And it really is such a sad state
of affairs because you can't just sit back and say, well,
you know, we traded our faith and our values and
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our morals and our virtues, we traded it all for
because that'd be bad, right, But look what's happening. This
state is not getting richer, you know, the left is
stripping this state of prosperity.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
So it can't be that.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It's not like we traded the stuff that really matters
for the stuff that really doesn't. The left hasn't delivered
anything on any front other than going backwards. Has there
been a single category, a single measurable category that's gotten
better in Colorado under leftist rule? I can't think of one,
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not a good category. Is there a single bad category
that's been anything other than go up.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Get worse under leftist rule? I can't think of one.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Dan Colorado was anti Christian when it became the first
state to legalize abortion. Well, I appreciate that historical perspective,
and it's a valuable one. It's important. How and why
did Colorado become one of the first states. I thought
there was one other state to legalize abortion? How did
that happen? I'd love your thoughts on that, but it's
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under the brother umbrella of how did we get rolled?
How did people of faith get rolled in Colorado and
get to the point where where all the power has
been given to a bunch of secularists with such an
open hostility toward Christianity, they repeatedly get called out by
the US Supreme Court. Let's go up to beautiful Fort Collins.
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We'll start with Steve. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Welcome Steve, Hey Dan, I'm a Christian. I've lived in
Colorado now for forty three years, and I believe one
of the reasons we've been rolled is so many churches,
and I've been a part of some of them. I'm
not now, thank goodness, have been told Christians we don't
get political pastors.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
We don't talk politics. We just peach to the gospel.
We just love our neighbors. But we don't speak We're
not political, and so we we've rolled over we vote,
but we don't get involved, and so we get rolled.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Fascinating. I'm not doubting there's truth in that.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I know. I happen to be a Catholic Christian and
we've been blessed with a series of bishops who have
stood up and they've said, listen, it's not red, it's
not blue. They're not partisan, they're not Democrat, they're not Republican.
But but you know, we get to speak out on
the big moral issues of the day. So the Catholic
Church has stood up on those issues. I can't speak
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to others.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Well, I'm a part of the non denominational churches and
have been several and they you say, and I talked
to several pastors, and I think this abortion, this is
a moral issue.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
They'll g beat this is these are moral issues. Why
is it when I come to church every week it's crickets. Well,
we don't want to be political. We don't want to
be political. We just want to preach the gospel. But
they don't understand the gospel because Jesus was political. Yeah,
this was political, but they don't want to talk about it.
And I think that they don't know how to deal
(16:08):
with it.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yes, Steve, great call on that, Thank you man, great
call on that. And again, as a Catholic Christian, I'm
just very grateful that in our church know that the
bishops have been fearless and it and these issues again
not partisan politics, but these issues are addressed from the
pulpit and they do get involved in issue campaigns, a
critical issue campaigns every now and then. So and I
(16:31):
do agree with Steve that that I think that's critical. Listen,
we know one thing right, It's it's simple but profoundly true.
If the people of Colorado vote their faith, then the
left is thrown out of office.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
That that's why.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And the bad things the left is doing ideologically, those
things went in. That's why Jared Polis, the day after
he won governor's office for the first time, came and said, hey,
you got to keep your faith outside the public square,
because he knows if people vote their faith, then that
the left is destroyed in Colorado. It's that simple, because
so much of what the left does is directly contrary
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to the faith most people have. And by vote your faith.
And I don't mean to be a broken record, but
it's worth repeating. I'm not saying that as a Catholic.
I vote for Catholics because so many of the Catholic
candidates are doing very anti Catholic teaching things with the
power voters give them. So no, I'm saying, I'm looking
for a candidate. I don't care what party they're from,
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I don't care about a whole lot of other things.
I'm looking for a candidate who is going to take
that power and do things in office that are consistent
with my core beliefs. And my core beliefs are formed
so largely.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
By my faith.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
That's what I'm talking about. By voting your faith? Can
you imagine?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Can you? And I'm picking out one group.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Because I happen to be part of it, can you
imagine if Christians in Colorado voted their faith? I mean,
how dramatically this state would change overnight. And so I
would like to hear from some of our Democrat friends
and unaffiliateds who tend to vote for Democrats more often.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
If you happen to be Christian as.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I am, why do you vote for Democrats when so much,
not everything, but so much of what they do is
just polar opposite to the faith that is at the
center of your life. Now, would love to hear that.
Three all three seOne three eight, two five five. The
number takes d A N five seven seven three nine. Hey,
(18:31):
Carrie Savarino will join us after the break. We're looking
forward to that as well. We'll have a number of
guests including her in Frank at five oh six.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
To talk about. You know, this is very important case
out of Colorado.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Once again.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
You know, the left in Colorado just trying to wipe
out religious freedom, freedom of speech. Supreme Court stepping into
and I expect in this case as well, say no,
you just can't do that.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Sorry, Colorado. You're on the Dan Capitla ship.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
That didn't take much creativity.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
What a great get though. Any day to get Carrie
Savarino is a great day. But to get her on
the day Chiles v. Sala's ours argued in the US
Supreme Court, that is fantastic.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Carrie.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I'm sure you've seen all over national news. She's president
of Judicial Crisis Network. She was a clerk for Justice
Thomas and just kind of a go to expert on
everything Supreme Court related.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
And wow, what a day it is.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
And I also want to ask Carrie, of course, about
this incredibly dangerous sentencing decision for the would be assassin
of justice Kevanaugh. Carrie, welcome to the Dan Kaplas Show.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Great to be here, Dan, Well, thank.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
You so much. Please just just take the floor and run.
Can't wait to get your take on Chiles v.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Salazar.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I had to walk into an appellate court hearing of
my own this morning, or an argument of my own
this morning. But I heard about the first half of Scotus.
So what's your take.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I mean, I think it went really, really well. I
went into the argument optimistic because this is a court
that really does care strongly about the First Amendment. And
I think, you know, Colorado's long laws about as wrong
as it could be on the First Amendment. You've got
a counselor who's entire practice.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
Is just speech.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
It's what can you say to your clients, And they're saying, well,
if you're a licensed counselor, we can veto what you
say and we can decide that you know, I'm sorry
that flies in the face the First Amendment. They're telling
her she can encourage her her clients to maintain a
same sex orientation or their genderice for you, but she
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can't encourage that help them go the opposite direction, even
if that's what they want. So I thought that the
court understood that.
Speaker 9 (20:48):
Today.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
There was a lot of debate and discussion about you know,
is what's happening really speech or do we just regulate
it like we do any other practice of medicine. But
I think the Court understood it's different than saying you
can and prescribe this or that drug. It's this is
when it's purely words, that is a specific thing that
the first moment clearly covers. And so I was very
(21:10):
encouraged by what I heard today.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Great any prediction at this point, I mean I heard
a lot from Justices Kegan instead of my Or and Jackson.
I would expect they'll dissent, But where do you think
this comes down?
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Yeah, I mean, I think you're right. I think they
probably will, But you know, it went. It went well
enough that I also think there's a chance you could
find them joining the majority opinion. At least in some aspects.
They all seem to agree. You know, Colorado is trying
to get rid of the case now by saying I
can't even bring it because they're saying we're you know,
we haven't even taken her a course, we're not doing her,
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so she can't. I don't even think her stuff is
covered by it. By the end, even Justice Sotomayor said, Okay,
so standing is established, like we got this, you can't.
You can't try to kick them out on these grounds.
So I think they'll they'll come along on some aspects,
and they might they might join to be able to
say things like, well, if it's only speech, this is
not covered. But if it was any any other medical practice,
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or if it was someone who was a fay, a
psychiatrist who is also prescribing medicine or something like that,
then we can block them from doing that. Sometimes you
get the feeling that maybe they're joining because they're hoping
to water down the opinion. We'll see where we'll see
if that if that happened, or maybe maybe we'll see
which we sometimes do a court that really is just
so pro free speech that they realize it's going to
(22:26):
be too hard to try to write a decision that
that tries to get around the obvious facts that this
is a pre clearance on what someone can actually say.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Terry Severin or guest President Judicial Crisis Network. I loved
Justice Gorsuch with the late breaking standing argument, and then
I think Justice Baird adopted that. But as you say,
Colorado trying to backpedal all over the place.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
But Carrie, let me.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Ask you about this, do you have any sense now,
having you know, look so closely at that Jack Phillips
case and as well as three h three very creative
now child's feast salas are do you have any sense
from the outside as to why Colorado is so hostile
towards faith Christianity in particular. Obviously the justices have observed it,
(23:12):
But what's your take?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
And yeah, that was one of the challenges for the
SG trying to explain, no, no, no, we're not being we're
not being hostile to faith here, We're just trying to
follow their perspective on the science. But you know, you're
you're there, tell me what's going on, because honestly, it's
surprising to me. I would think even that a state
like Colorado might be a little more live and let
live and just say, okay, you know, let's all kind
(23:36):
of we can all do our own thing. And they
took a really extreme position, which was shocking to me,
even the way that the SGU put it. She said,
the problem with counseling people to change their sexual orientation
or to try to live in accordance with their actual
biological sex if they if they're feeling this dysphoria, is
(23:57):
that this that that that's innate and we can't change
things that are I'm like, wait a minute, you're telling
me a boy feeling like a girl that's innate, right,
But how is it that his actual sex isn't an
It's really hard to wrap your brain around what their
what their arguments are, even just on the scientific level,
(24:17):
because I don't think they're support for what they're saying
that they've certainly, unfortunately led the country in a lot
of these cases having to do with the First Amendment
and conscience rights, and I'm hoping that they fear about
as well. And it's one of the did master Piece
cake Shop and three or three creative?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Well?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, And as Carrie's pointing out, I just thought from
what I heard this morning, you know, the Council for
Childs as well as the US Solicitor General's representative, I
thought they were just absolutely outstanding and really just exposed
Colorado for the lack of medical support for its position.
It's just pure blatant, politically driven, ideologically driven censorship.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Yeah, they kept on saying you they haven't presented any studies,
so like, give us a study that says And I
think another thing that again might bring in even some
of the liberal justices was the point that was made,
which is, Okay, if Colorado can say this, then Tennessee,
who had the landmarkque last term. Yeah, because they've forbidden
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gender reassignment surgeries and cross sex hormones for minors. At
least they could say, hey, you can't have counseling that's
going to encourage kids in this gender just for it,
because we know that if you just leave them alone,
it's something like eighty or ninety percent actually revert to
their birth biological sects. So they could say, hey, we
(25:43):
should just only encourage kids to do that. And if
Colorado can do it one way, Tennessee can do it another.
And I don't think you know that the justices on
the left want to see that happen.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, And speaking of justices not wanting to see things happen,
I know you clerk there for justice. It seems to
me this preposterous, irresponsible sentencing of justice Kevanaughs would be assassin.
Nicholas Rosky has endangered judges everywhere in this country that
(26:15):
there's no rational basis for this very very very light sentence.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
What do you think's going on there? And what can
be done?
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Yeah, I mean, I mean the government was asking for
thirty years, which frankly was less than he's been alive,
because they already took into account things like the fact
that he did I mean, thank god he did stop
before he actually did it, because he saw the marshals
right up front of the house. But hey, good good
on him for stopping right, Good on him for pleading
guilty and not putting everyone through the rigamarole of a trial.
(26:44):
But that was counted in to that thirty years already.
The judge just took it upon herself to really, you know,
she made it into this cause the lab particularly his
again late breaking claims of transgenderism, and it turned she
turned and to we literal get out of j jail free.
She said, well, it'd be really hard because now that
(27:04):
he said he's transgender, you'd be in a man's male
prison and that might be hard for him. And so
we're going to give him less time, and it's like, wow,
that's not in the sentencing guidelines. I mean, so it's
really disturbing, and particularly even if in just a vacuum,
that would be a disturbing downward departure. But in today's
(27:25):
world where we're dealing with increasing political violence, We've had,
you know, assassination attempts against the president, successful assassination of
Charlie Kirk, people shooting at ice agents, people shooting at
school children, people shooting at churches. This is not the
time to start giving slap on the wrist sentences for
people that are that are contemplating and attempting this kind
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of politically motivated violence. This is the time to send
a very clear message, and that message definitely was not
sent by the court in the Rosy sentence exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Two more questions if you have a quick second, and
one is tell people a little bit. I know how
many great resources are on the website, but tell them
a little bit about Judicial Crisis Network in case folks
want to get involved, support it whatever.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Yeah, our website is judicialnetwork dot com and we are
dedicated to trying to support the confirmation of judges who
are going to be faithful to the Constitution and.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
The rule of law.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
And you know, this district court judge giving such a
crazy sentence is just an example. It's really important to
the Supreme Court level. But the appellate court judges and
the district court judges have really important jobs. And we've
seen over this past year, in particular, the kind of
mischief that the district court judges can get into as well.
These trial court judges. You can't just write them off too,
so we have to be fighting to get good men
(28:41):
and women confirmed to these positions. And we also do
a lot of commentary on the Supreme Court, helping people
understand what's at stake and what these real issues are.
You can also follow me on x at JCN Severino
or the Judicial Network at Judicial Network and I blog
at National Review Online Benchmamo's blog to people again abreast
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of major things are going on in the nominations and
in the Supreme Court world.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And Carrie is a treasure, tremendous resource. Please follow her
both of those places. Hey, grateful for the time today,
look forward to the next.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
One's all right, good talking to you, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
That is Carrie Severino. Good get Ryan, what a perfect
day to have Carrie. I'd love to have Carrie on
the show every day. She is just one of those
national treasures. Three all three seven one three eight two
five five takes d a n five seven seven three nine.
So the Supreme Court gets it right. You've got Colorado
openly hostile to faith to the point the Court has
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to repeatedly slap Colorado down for violating the law.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And that's before we even get to the Trump case.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
But question for you all the people of faith in
Colorado evolve faith and Christians which have been a primary target.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
How did we get rolled? How did we end.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Up with a bunch of far left secularists having powerful
for us in this state. You're on the dan Capla Show.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
And now back to the Dankaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Amazing how that song has tun on? Isn't it that
side back from the early seventies, mid seventies?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
It made it come back with yacht rock, and apparently
it's making a comeback in a different way.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, it turns out the new cu Buffalo, who's fantastic right?
Talk about polar opposites the old buffalo. Yeah, it wouldn't run,
didn't they say? Retired due to indifference to running. Holy cow,
that's when I started to see you. They had a
real buffalo, like a man sized buffalo.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
I don't know whether I.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Think the original Roughley might have been female, but a
huge buffalo that would almost always get away from the handlers,
ran all the way out of the stadium at least twice, really,
and then you end up with this thing. Last year
he had to electroshocket, you know, to get it to
job ten yards, but this one runs right out of
the gate.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
The point of the song is that apparently that buffalo
likes that song cool, so they've now named it Brandy.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Can imagine the buffalo juste perking up whenever, oh she
hears that song. I love that and female buffalo right
the new one.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, and I think most of them happened. I'd have
to go back in that history. But just one of
the great traditions in all of college sports. So really
glad to hear that. Speaking of which, and listen obviously
real quick.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, are you surprised Peter hasn't come for Ralphie? You
know what I mean? It's Boulder of all places, people's
republican all that you know then you know, cruelty to
animals again, have the buffalo on the field.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I never really thought of that, but it's kind of like,
you know how the Left hasn't come from Coach Prime. No,
which is poor Bill McCartney. He just wants to say
a prayer, right, and they just they they do everything
they can to punish Bill McCartney in one of the
great Colorado's and Americans ever. And God rest his soul
(32:07):
Coach Prime. And it's a beautiful thing. I love Coach
Prime talking about God. I wish he talked about God
every day, and I think he does talk about God
every day. But the Left's not coming after Coach Prime.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
It'd be a bad move.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yes, that is a beautiful thing to not see. Hey,
while we're talking about see you and listen. I was
literally grateful every day for the Evans scholarship. I was
a golf caddy if you ever saw the movie Caddy Shack.
And they sent me to college. They sent me to
college at CU Boulder, and every single day on this campus,
(32:39):
I was grateful to be there.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I'm still grateful to have been there.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Loved the place, but love it enough to show it
the ultimate respect of being honest about it and this
fan behavior I got totally out of control at that
BYU game. It doesn't mean every fan there, obviously it doesn't.
You can get a relative handful of students or somebody
else acting crazy and then everybody gets labeled with it,
and that's not fair. But it does lead to this
(33:02):
question of where do you draw the line on fan behavior? Now,
whatever you go to, maybe you go to Broncos, maybe
you go to Rockies, maybe you go to Nuggets.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Maybe to go to.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
All of them like I do, And then where do
you draw the line on fan behavior and how should
that line be in force. Let's start with this nine
News story out to see you.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I think it was a little bit of a reaction.
Speaker 10 (33:25):
It's been more than a week since the CU buffs
spell to BYU. At the game, some students in the
stands crossed the line.
Speaker 9 (33:31):
It was only a select group of people that were
you making some interesting remarks, But I would say the
overall majority people were respectful. But I mean, that's how
sports it goes in college especially You know, people are
going to be disrespectful, but that's kind of part of
the tradition.
Speaker 11 (33:44):
If you ask me, people are going to be how
people are in the student section, and for someone who's
at the game, I think that the things that were
said were maybe blown a little bit out of proportionate.
I thought, if anything, it was a lot worse last
year when we were when we were freshmen in the
student section.
Speaker 10 (33:56):
Video showed buffs bands hollering religious slurs and chance expletives
at BYU, a faith based school supported by the Mormon Church.
The next morning, a man attacked a Mormon church in Michigan,
killing four people and injuring eight others. The days to
come see you was slapped with a fifty thousand dollars
fine and promised it won't happen again.
Speaker 12 (34:16):
See who is making changes. They're stepping up the number
of people working security, even putting playing close police officers
in the sands, and they're adding more tech to make
it easier to monitor fan behavior during games. Fans found
misbehaving could get tossed from the games and possibly not
allowed back in the rest of the season.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
I was reading the email through.
Speaker 11 (34:35):
And I thought that some of the policies that they're
adding into the football games might have been a little
more aggressive than probably was needed.
Speaker 9 (34:44):
I think it's a little tough to put all these
restrictions on the students just because you know a few
bad people, you know, made some weird decision.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, and it is true, right fast majority the fans
are acting the right way. But you know, if you
go to these major sporting events, as I do, I
love going to Buff games. I'd take the family buffe
We've been taking the kids to Buff games since since
they could walk, maybe even before they could walk, and
we still do so we love it. But it does
get to this important broader issue of fan behavior, which
Ryan I think is getting.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Worse year by year.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
You know, and listen, I grew up in Chicago, right,
I grew up going to Soldier Fields, Socks Park, Wrigley,
et cetera. So I'm fine with rough and tumble. I
just think there are some lines. Where do you draw
those lines.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
It's tough because you know, like the kids said, you're
gonna get a little nasty, and that's part of the atmosphere.
But what crosses the line? You know, racial and ethnic
slurs should not be tolerated. I don't think those are necessary.
You can make fun of where they come from or whatever.
I think there's plenty of material, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Well, let's start with obscenity, Okay, and you know, hey, wait,
conversations during breaks, everything else.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
I'm no babe in the woods.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
But I just think there should be a clear bright line.
Obscenity should not be allowed at these these sporting rockies, Broncos, Nuggets, abs, whatever.
People should get immediately taken out for that stuff. Why
should people around them, starting with the kids, but anybody,
Why should anybody have to be exposed as so I'd
love your take on that. I mean, should there be
(36:12):
a clear bright line obscenity not tolerated at any of
these sporting events, A mechanism in place to get rid
of those folks.
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