Dan Caplis - Hour One - 12-23

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, another perfect day to fight for the American way.
Glad you are here. Wow. Hard to believe Christmas Eve tomorrow.
And there's just something special about the twenty third. First,
we're picking up an extra minute of daylight every day,
but also just being on the eve of Christmas Eve,
because Christmas Eve. I'm sure it's probably the same way
for you as just it's so incredible in its own

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way that the Eve of Christmas Eve gets you more
jazz three or three seven, one, three, eight, two, five
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three nine. This will be my last show of the
year because our family we always take this traditional trip
for a week the week after Christmas and we go
back down My mom and dad had retired down to

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Fort Myers from Chicago. My mom got emphysema fairly young
and so as soon as my dad could retire from
the police force after thirty years, they went down to
the Fort Myers areas. So they're now in heaven. But
every year we go back down there the week after
Christmas and we spend that week together. So looking forward
to that. So what that means is it's going to

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be a much better show this last week of the
year because we have all these all star folks dropping
in to do the show, and so you're going to
have a great week with them, and I'll have a
great week with the family. But it makes today my
last show of the year. So I want to do
all the traditional you know, twelve thirty one show stuff
with you today. So best person of the year, worst

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person of the Year. We'll do our Person of the
Year today. And as you know, we have our Colorado category,
we have our National category. Three oh three seven one
three eight two five five, the number techs d an
five seven seven three nine. The one thing we do
ask is that it be more than just the name.
You also give us the why, the name and the why,

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so always look forward to that each year. And then predictions.
You're twenty twenty six predictions, I'll give you mine, and
I understand that mine are a public disservice and I
accept that, but it's part of the job. I'm obligated
to do it. And it just takes a suspense out
of twenty six since I have this uncanny ability to

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make accurate predictions for the coming year. So I'll give
your mind and again two categories Colorado and USA, because
when you stop and think about it, Colorado is a
very very unique animal at this point, as you look
across the nation as a whole. I know, every state
has its own character and richness, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. But Colorado really is unique in so many ways.

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Some of those ways, you know, are just phenomenal, fantastic,
And you know, the drill one of the most beautiful
places on earth, blessed with all these advantages, those advantages,
et cetera. It's why we're all here. Either you were
born here and decided to stay because of all this
amazing stuff, or like me, you were lucky enough to
move here, so got it. And then on the other hand,

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you have this level of idiocy and destruction that's being
inflicted by the Left. So you take one of the
greatest places on earth as created by God, and then
you put the left to work on it, and you
can see what it's doing to Colorado. So twenty twenty
six predictions for the US of A and Colorado. I'll

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give you one because I'll be sprinkling these throughout the show. USA. Yeah,
Republicans are going to get thumped in the midterms. And
that's just the way it's going to be. But I
don't think it's going to matter much and will probably
end up being a good thing for Republicans because it
will set up another GOP victory in twenty eight and

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we all know how important it is to have the
White House. But I'll get into that in more detail.
And listen, when I say that the Republicans are going
to get thumped in the midterms, that doesn't mean I'm
predicting failures for Trump in twenty six or an awful
twenty six or anything like that. No, And it's you know,
it's a combination of the historical trends, but also the

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fact that Trump has been so successful not perfect obviously.
I mean, this show, we pride ourselves in just relentless
pursuit of the truth. You know, there is one God,
and that God doesn't belong to either political party and
does not reside on this planet. And you know, so
our mission on this show is relentless pursuit of the truth.

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You know, stop bad things, do good things. And so
we are right down the middle, honest when it comes
to Donald Trump. To a lot of people, that sounds
like cheerleading for Trump. Because so much of the media
is so vengeful and hate filed toward Trump that if
somebody's just willing to give him a fair shake, people say, oh,
he's a cheerleader. But we are right down the middle
when it comes to Trump. So, no, I think he's

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going to have a very good twenty six What reason
would there be to believe otherwise. He's had a very
good year every single year he's been in office, except
twenty twenty because of COVID, and you know, he you know,
mishandled some things in COVID, did some things right, did
some things wrong. But it's COVID that cost him, you know,

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his second term then. And some would say, hey, that
worked out well for America in the world, because he
is certainly more effective with this split second term than
he would have been if they were consecutive. Unfortunately, so
much awfulness was inflicted on the world because Trump didn't
have consecutive terms. You know, Russia would have never been

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in Ukraine raping and pillaging if Trump had that consecutive term.
I think if Trump had the consecutive term, then we
would have had a Republican behind him in the White
House because people would say, wait, a second, this stuff
works great. I never, you know, even thought about the
GOP before Trump, but this stuff actually works and works well.

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So no, I think Trump's going to have a real
good twenty six overall, but the Dems aren't. There is
so much pent up anger and intensity because Trump has
been so good and the Dems feel and I'm talking
about leadership now, activists, et cetera. They feel so impotent,
and there is so much hate built up toward Trump
because he has stopped cold this new world order that

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the Left was putting in place, that there's just going
to be an explosion of that come the midterms. And
then on top of that, we've already seen what percentage
would you put it at at fifteen twenty twenty five percent,
thirty percent of Republicans who just or Trump voters who
are not going to show up when Trump's not on
the ballot. So I think we're headed toward a thumping

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in the midterms. But it's really not going to matter
because Trump's success is not really based very much on
passing legislation. And yes, the Democrats are going to impeach
him again, but everybody's going to laugh at that. And
then it's going to hurt the Democrats big when they
try to tee it up. In twenty eight three h
three seven one three eight two five five text DN

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five seven seven three nine, George Brockler joins us set
four thirty six today talk about something that I know,
just sitting there right now probably doesn't feel like a
real and present danger to you and your family. And
that's probably a good thing to a certain point, because
we don't want to just tiptoe around everywhere in paranoia

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and fear of who's next to us on the roadway
or lurking through our neighborhoods. But the reality is that
we have this breakdown of law and order in Colorado
because of the governor. We have a lot of great
law enforcement officials, but we have this breakdown in law
and order because of the governor, because the Democrats control
the state, and because they're pro criminal and anti innocent civilian.

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And part of that breakdown is all these people you
know who are allowed out on parole when they should
not be, including the monster who killed those wonderful people
out in that massive crash in Franktown. And there's new
information on that crash about the perpetrator surely the perpetrator
should not have been on parole, should have been behind bars.

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But George Brockler will join us at four thirty six
to talk about how all that works in Colorado, because
I think you will probably find it valuable to have
a nuts and bolts understanding as to how all of
that works. So when you're trying to persuade people to
go out and vote and throw the bums out, throw
these Democrat bums out of office elector Republican governor, et cetera,

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it will arm all of us better to be able
to make the case that, hey, even if you don't
like the GOP brand, you hate the color red, whatever
it is, when it comes to protecting your family, here's
why we're better and here's why they're worse. So George
Brockler at four thirty six to have that conversation. A

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double what you're doing there. Three at three someone three
eight two five five text d A N five seven
seven three nine Jesse Thomas behind the glass. You celebrating
Christmas already? Christmas Eve Eve? Yeah, that's a big deal.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
I'll get settled in the night getting the spirited things.
I think, what are you going to do to accomplish that?
I'll probably watch some movies and just watch the Christmas
tree lights and maybe play some music and get ready
for the craziness tow well, and I want to open
that up too. Thank you for the movie thing. You know,
I know our family's planning to watch and that they
hate text will flow. Now we're planning to watch the

(10:09):
Taylor Swift Netflix thing that just came out the Diet
or maybe it's ABC documentary. We're saving that for Christmas.
But we do have our Christmas movie, So what are
your favorite Christmas movies? Also three O three seven one
three eight two five five d an five seven seven
three nine and Jesse will regale us today with some
more great Christmas carols. And if you don't mind, if

(10:29):
you could tea up that David Buie bing Crosby combo
on Little Drummer Boy again, I'll do it like maybe
every break you're on the Dan Kapla Show thanks to that. Jesse.
I'm gonna post that video on x. I haven't posted
anything since probably two weeks before that big trial that
we had in September, but I'm going to get back

(10:49):
to posting over the Christmas break. I will post that
as well. The video it's it's it's just so cool
that music video of David Buoy and bing Crosby Texter Dan,
It's David bow We like bo E no not if
you grew up in Chicago, then it's David Bowie. Let's
go to the phone lines for doing best and Worst
Person of the Year, favorite Christmas movie, and much much more. Kevin,

(11:12):
you're on the dan Kaplas, she'll welcome.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
I called Thanksgiving to give you Thanksgiving kiss, and you
couldn't get to me. I was going to give it
to you today, but I can't talk good because I
had a stroke.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Kevin, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, I still till yesterday.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Oh man, and I can't.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
I don't even know I can tell what I'm saying
right now.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
No, we can't. We can't. Yeah, I'm so sorry to
hear that. But you're getting your deck care that you need.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Well, No, they let me out, and I wasn't ready that.
I'm having to do things without any help. Now I
don't have anybody to help me. I just have my cat.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
What do you have bad insurance?

Speaker 2 (12:05):
I don't have any.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Have you tried applying for medicaid?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I don't want I don't have enough quarters of work
when I when I do have when I do have
C I c a that pace for some things.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, but there should be some other benefits available. But
you need all the therapy, that rehab, everything you can get.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Well, well, that's the thing in the hospital. The nurses
and texts wouldn't help me exercise, they wouldn't let me shower.
Some would, most of them would. And then they gave
me some papers how to find therapy and think and
my medicine is here. But I don't know if the

(12:55):
taxi driver kept them, didn't pull out of the truck,
or if they're so the hospital. I spent almost an
hour and a half on the phone, just wanting to
get Do you have management or administration?

Speaker 3 (13:10):
No?

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Look, do you have family you can help?

Speaker 4 (13:13):
No?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
No, man, it's got to be a way to get
the care.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
But it.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
But in the meantime, tell me tell me about the
gift you were calling to share.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Well, I don't think I can do today. It was
called it was called I know you're a big cop fan,
so it was called did you know? And that was
some title.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
H Well, let's do this. Let's do this, my friend. Yeah, oh,
and I know that's maddening. If you can hold the line,
Jesse'll give you my personal email. Why don't you email me?
And then there's no over bullet here in terms of help,
But we'll do everything we can to try to find you.
You know, the right programs out there to help you out.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Well, I don't have that test on a computer and
I can't walk very well.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Or well, let's do this. Let's do this. You know
my last name, right, c Aplis. Yeah, okay, when when
you can get to the internet. I have a law firm.
It's just Dan Kaplis Law. Phones are answered twenty four
to seven. Just call tell him I told you to call,
and then they'll put us in touch. Okay, man, well

(14:36):
hey hang in there, Okay, okay, man, take care. Wow, Jesse,
that's so scary. I mean, it could be a big, burly,
healthy young buck like you, It could be anybody. These
strokes they just hit out of the blue, and there's
no doubt they just hit out of the bl I
remember great guy in law school had the world by

(14:57):
the tail. He just had a stroke out of no
wh where. Yeah, and then you know, I can't pull
up the stats right now, but I know there there's
concern about increased strokes since COVID and vaccines and all
that other stuff. Three out three seven one three eight
two five five text d A N five seven seven

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three nine. I hope everybody knows. And I'm really glad
that marketing campaign's been out there that if anybody has
any stroke like symptoms, just nine one one get to
the hospital right away. It can make such an enormous difference.
Let's go to David. You're on the Dan Kaplis Show.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
Welcome, Hey Dan, Thank you for taking my call, and
thank you for your compassion for your last caller. I
think we should all be lifting him in prayer for
for God's comfort and that there could be some resources
he can he can connect with.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Amen.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Uh, but I have to take issue with your with
your request for contributions to Catholic charity. I just I
just want to read something off the internet. Sure, the
US government provides significant funding to Catholic charities and related
organizations for refugee and migrant services, with figures showing tens
of tens to hundreds of millions annually, including large grants

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from FEMA, HHS, and State Department, with one source noting
Catholic Charities USA received one point four billion in government
support versus private donations, and the US Conference of Catholic
Bishops getting over two hundred million of grants in just
three Biden years for refugee resettlement. It goes on I

(16:35):
don't need to further. My point is Catholic Charities has
been a major major partner with the Biden administration bringing
in and setting up illegal immigrants here, and I don't
believe until they change their ways they deserve any funding
or contributions. There's a lot of other great organizations like

(16:56):
Tunnels to Towers people should contribute to.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Well. First of all, I'm glad you called because I'm
sure some other people have that question in their minds,
and I can set your mind at ease and everybody
else is, and give you lots of very good reasons
to support Catholic Charities of Denver, and I bet by
the end of our call you will want to write
a check to Catholic Charities of Denver. So hang on,

(17:19):
my friend. We'll follow that up George Brockler after the break,
and then we'll get back to our friend David on
the Dan Kapla show. Thank you for that, Jesse. You know,
it just popped into my mind as we go to
the VFP line to welcome George Brockler. I don't know
about where you guys go for Christmas services, but at
our church, Catholic Church, almost always right at the end
of Christmas Mass. As the priest is wrapping it up

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and about to walk down the aisle, you hear exactly that,
and it is just so cool. So when I hear that,
it's just associated with a lot of great things. So
thank you, Jesse, or hey, how you doing, my friend?

Speaker 2 (17:55):
I'm living the dream.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
How are you doing?

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Good? Good? Good? You know you have to pay me
every time you say that.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
I know, I know we've been doing this. I think
I owe you could be two or three million bucks.
It's been going on for twenty years now.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
But I probably owe ten million to ever set it first.
I wonder who that is? Do you know who that is?

Speaker 5 (18:11):
I think it was Prime?

Speaker 1 (18:13):
No, it might have been, It might Yeah, where do
you think that's all? Had it a't cu? Because it
looks like and listen, I'm a big Prime fan, calling
for him to be here before he came here, want
him to stay here for ten years. But it looks
like there's going to be a large scale exodus of
guys into the portal and he'll be rebuilding. How do
you think that's all going to turn out? I think

(18:34):
it's tough.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
I mean, look at the guy and I take him
in his word. I think he's a guy of character
and principle, and if he's looking to prove his jobs,
it's not what he could do with the Heisman Trophy
winner and a fantastic Sun quarterback. It'll be what can
he do with what's left after this rebuilding year. If
he can put that team into a bowl or even
contention for a conference win, then you look back and go,

(18:57):
if this dude was legit good quarter I mean, good coach,
great coach, But you know he's dealing with health issues
and stuff. I don't know. I don't know where it
leaves us. What do you think?

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, what I think is you don't get to where
he is unless you've got a core of steel and
other body parts of steel. And I also think he's
a brilliant guy. And I think that obviously he really
values his reputation and his reputation as a winner and
is a tough guy. And so I think he's going
to step up and take it on and find a

(19:27):
way to make it happen. Now, you're gonna have to
find an awful lot of money somewhere, right because what's
what's a typical budget for a competitive program right now?
Probably to pay players twenty five to thirty million a year.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Oh yeah, crazy, Yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
You're gonna You're gonna have to He's gonna have to
find those people. But he certainly runs in those circles.
So I'm a fan of the guy. I think we'll
find a way to get it done. But hey, let
me ask you this. Yeah, I want to start by
playing some of this piece that was really well done,
and it just brings people up to speed on this
this horror mass killing out on that roadway in jeez,

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was it about a month ago? And in just the
latest on this criminal who had been released on parole.
You addressed it at the time, but I want people
to get those details and then get an explanation from you.
Take us all to school on how that system works
in Colorado. So here's the latest.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Thanks for joining us at five everyone.

Speaker 6 (20:24):
I'm Philllipoff, I'm Kim Christensen. Knew this afternoon from nine
News investigates. A man was legally drunk and on meth
when he caused a head on crash last month, killing
five people near Franktown. Walter Hewing had been paroled from
state prison in September of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Kevin Vaughn from nine News Investigates joins us now, Kevin,
you found there were problems throughout his time on parole.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
That's right, Phil and Kim documents we obtained showing that
he repeatedly missed drug tests and skipped mandatory meetings with
his parole officer. He was also arrested in Loman in
a disturbance in which he admitted drinking heavily and using
mushrooms when Walter Hewling the Third lost control of the
stolen car he was driving last month and caused a

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crash that ended in the deaths of himself and four
others on Highway eighty three near Franktown. He had a
blood alcohol level of point two to three, nearly three
times the legal limit for intoxication in Colorado, according to
an autopsy report obtained by nine News Investigates, and that's
not all. He also had meth in his system.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Considering this individual's prior history, the fact that he was
high on meth and under the influence of alcohol should
not come as a surprise to anyone.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Nine News legal analyst Scott Robinson pointed to a history
that included this that before being approved for release, parole
board members knew that an assessment of Hewaling's risk to
commit another crime was classified as high.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
And then they go into all the details that we've
talked about before. George Brockler, our guest, by the way,
great to hear our old friend Scott Robinson still doing
his thing for KUSA. Do you see him at all?

Speaker 5 (22:03):
I don't. I really only see him on nine News
every once in a while. Back in the day, I
would run into him in Jefferson County. And in fact
I had a case against Scott. It wasn't a big case.
It was a lower level case, and I feel like
I was beating him like a baby harp seal. And
then the comfesser on the stand, God bless him. At
one point I said, hey, did the guy say and

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did the defendant say anything to you after he'd failed
the roadsides? And he said, yes, can you take me home?
Because I've had a dui before. That last part right there,
as you know, is the end of the case because
you don't get a reference all the other past criminals.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Oh man.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
God stood up very politely through his pencil in the air,
and the judge was like, take out the jury, and
that was it, And I was like, God, my one shot,
one shot at the legend.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, thought those pencil toss moments all A tremendous attorney
and a great guy. We were partners at one point,
way way way back in the day. And to hear
Kim Christianson in that story, what an icon she is? No,
I know, but I'm still doing a great job.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yep, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
So, Georgia, can you educate all of us on the
parole board, the parole system in Colorado? Once again we
have somebody who clearly should should not have been out
on the streets, should have been locked up. Slaughters for people,
including children. Why is this happening? And what do we
need to do to change it?

Speaker 5 (23:29):
There's a couple things. I'll give you the answer to
how we change it upfront, and that is we move
to a federal system that they have, and the federal
system doesn't do parole. You go kill your number. You
have the possibility to earn small amounts of good time,
but you kill your number and then you get some
kind of a supervised released, which is not a parole.
It's not an early end tier sentence. It is in

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addition to all these other things, But here's how we
get here. As you know, over the last fifteen years,
folks who are far more offender friendly than victim centric
become in charge of every lever of government at the
state level. And so Governor Hickenlooper back in twenty eleven,
in twenty twelve closed down two prisons. One of them

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was a CSP two, the other one was fort lyon
correctional facility, And in doing that we lost hundreds and
hundreds of bed of capacity, and for CSP two, we're
talking high risk offenders, and so we shoved the rest
of that population into the existing prison structure. At the
same time, the legislature began to whittle away at penalties

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for crimes and also reinforced this idea that good time
and earn time are just words we give to discount sentences.
So here's how it works. If you're convicted of burglary
a four to twelve year Department of Correction sentence, it's
probation eligible. Let's say you get prison on this thing.
Let's say you get all twelve years. Well, it's not
a crime of violence, and under Colorado statutes, as you

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walk out of the courtroom, you are given a fifty
p reduction in that sense, So parole will start to
calculate your parole eligibility date with a fifty percent discount
off the top, and then you can earn up to
a significant amount of earn time over the course of
your time there. They've added in things that, by the way,
by themselves, I'd be wholly supportive of, Like you go

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get a college degree, you get less. I get that.
But if you add it on top of all of
these other reductions, you end up creating a system where
two things are true at the same time. One, nobody
on the planet Earth, including the parole board, can tell
you the minimum amount of time anyone will serve in
prison unless they're given a life without the possibility of
parole sentence. And the second thing you do is you

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discount the sentence so heavily that a person who has
given a twelve year max sentence on a burglary charge
that's in your home burglary charge is likely to get
into community corrections sometime around two to two and a
half years after they leave that.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (25:59):
It's crazy if you add to that, and this is
all online, anyone can look this up. You go to
the penalties the amount of good time and earn time
you can lose for different things. And I think I've
mentioned this before, but if you rape your cellmate, you
cannot lose more than forty five days of good time.
If you stab your cellmate but they live so a temp, murder,

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you can't lose more than sixty days of good time.
If you murder your cellmate or anyone else in prison,
you can't lose more than ninety days of good time.
Color me old fashioned, but it seems like if you rape,
attempt to kill, or kill someone in prison, you lose
all the good things. I mean, it just seems like
a common sense thing.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
That this is literally surreal at this point. Can you
do another segment because I want to dive into how
to get to this point and what's it going to
take to change it, because I bet most people listening,
like me, are just stunned by this.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
Oh yeah, happy to.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Okay, thank you. We'll come back with George Brockler. You're
on the Dan Kapla Show. Thank you, Jesse. George Brockler
kind enough to be with us, just gave the single
best explanation I've ever heard of how parole works in
Colorado and why it's so badly broken at this point.
And we're talking about this in the connection with this
mass killer this time out in Franktown. You remember we

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deeped dove this about a month ago when it happened,
and these children slaughtered on the roadway, This thirty five
year old young dad slaughtered on the roadway. And now
it turns out nobody's surprised that this criminal, this career
lifetime criminal a should have been in jail, but also
was high and drunk at the time. So if you
want to really get an education on this, listen to

(27:37):
our last segment on the podcast, and now we'll take
the next step with this. So, George, it seems to
me that what you just laid out for us in
great detail can only happen if there's a deliberate, concerted
effort on the part of the party in charge to

(27:58):
just take known dangerous offenders out of prison and put
them on the streets. Am I overreading that? No, you're not.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
And in fact, you know, one of the things that's
built in is sort of a safety valve, is that
now that they've congested the prisons, they've reduced our capacity
and prison beds that are available. When they reach a
certain percentage, they're mandated by law to start terminating people
out of prison earlier, not the most violent among them,
but to terminate them earlier than they would otherwise. The

(28:27):
other conscious decision that's being made is and remember all
nine members of the state Parole Board are appointed by
the governor. End of story, all by the governor. Is
that they have changed fundamentally the way that they empower
parole officers to get these parolies on board. So in
the past, if you didn't show up to appointments like
this guy did, they yanked you. They went and got

(28:48):
warrant you go to prison. If you showed up and
you tested positive for drugs, they yanked you go to
Now none.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Of that happens.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
Those are called technical violations, and they bend over backwards
to not violate you, to put you back in prison,
because their goal is to diminish the amount of money
the state pays to incarcerate the worst among us.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Is it a money thing or is it an ideological
thing where they just don't want people in jail. Both?

Speaker 5 (29:12):
It is clearly both. And you know that because the
same legislature that empowers the Parole Board to do this
has built a system. We're on the front end. We
reduced down the potential to get to prison and the
potential to get to jail. And so they're trying to
attack this from all things. And if you listen to
the House Judiciary Committee, all the Dems on their mouth
the same DSA type stuff, which is, we don't believe

(29:33):
in caging people. And I'm like, you know what, there
are some people that need to be caged. Ye, you
can call it a cage, you can call it a jail.
You got to do it.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Wow. Well, let me ask you this, because you also
obviously have your finger on the pulse of politics in
the state. Just from a reptilian self survival standpoint, do
the people of Colorado understand this well enough? And I
know that people of this state are very smart, But
do they have the information now necessary to understand this

(30:01):
well enough to know that when they're voting for these Democrats,
they're voting for their own demise.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
I want to say yes, I do, and you and
I and everyone listening to your show are focused on this.
But the polling that I've heard about, even recent polling,
shows that the whole criminal justice public safety thing doesn't
crack the top five. That everything is about things like affordability,
affordability and affordability. And when this gets pushed down far

(30:29):
enough and people don't make the association between the two,
I don't think you're going to get the change that
we need to have here. I don't know. I keep
every election cycle, Dan, I say, well, we've reached the bottom.
Now we're going to rebound, and then we keep digging.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Keep drilling deeper. Yeah, now that's interesting, And I wonder
whether it's And I do believe we all have some
of this in us. We just think, hey, this, this
would never be me, This would never be us. And
I wonder if there's some of that going on, because
you would think that people would look at all of
this and say, well, no, just to protect myself and
my family, I got to vote the other. But I'm
with you. I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.

(31:05):
I'm not sure there's a bottom that could actually break
the voting pattern in Colorado.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Is there not yet? No? And you know when you
look at simple graphs that just show the number of
criminals incarcerated versus the crime rate, and you watch them
pass like an X in the night. It's so obvious
to even a five year old that. Look, as we
start turning out the prisons in jails, shocker, the crime

(31:33):
rate goes up, and yet the other side will twist
themselves in origami the law into a place where they're
like that those two things aren't related. It's like they're
absolutely related. Well, because these people are reoffending.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, And I think what most normal people can never
grasp is there are people on the left for whom
you know, those dead children out in Franktown. They're an
acceptable casualty rate to certain people on the left in
their mission to just empty the prisons. And I think
normal people can't even begin to grasp that because normal
people are good people. So yeah, it's just a it's

(32:08):
just an awful place that we're in now. Listen. I
do think there's a GOP path to victory. I don't
think it's going to be based on things getting so
bad in Colorado people just say we have to make
a change. I think it's going to be based on
a great candidate who ends up in a situation where
a lot of good things happen and ends up getting

(32:28):
elected and then all of a sudden, the GOP in
Colorado has a face, you know, whether it's a governor
or a US senator, and then that tipping point begins
to happen. So I do think there's a path to victory,
but it's not by Colorado getting so awful. People just
have to make a change because we passed that a
long time ago.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
I think you're eighty five percent right, and you know
this game will way better than I do. But this
is what I think. If we could get a DSA
candidate to run to the left, the rest of these
wing nuts that are running right now are only fifteen
percent of that Denver Boulder vote. Republicans win statewide with
forty seven percent of the vote, which is about our

(33:09):
heart feeling right now.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
That is brilliant, George, what a great way to go
into Christmas. That is a brilliant point. Hey man, thanks
for the time today. I hope you guys have a
great Christmas.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
You two Merry Christmas.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Dan, thank you. Wow at tremendous job by George there.
Really broke it down. Well, when we come back, I
want to take off on his last point. We're also
doing the best and worst person of the year because
this is my last show of the year. You're on
the dan Kapla show.