September 25, 2025 • 34 mins
In the second hour of today's show, Dan Caplis reacts to the news that former FBI director James Comey has been indicted.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast edition
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(00:21):
Dan Kapla Show, or welcome Dan to the Steve Riems Show,
it's hight be the latter.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
How you doing, my friend, I'm doing great?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You know hard. It was not to do the intro
back from the commercial there. I mean, geez, welcome back
to your show.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I hear you.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Guys killed it. I got a note right here about
you and George together. It was apparently an instant class. Yeah,
need to do more of that.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah, it was a good time. Yeah. Well, you know,
I think people missed you, though, Dan, I'm sure they're
glad to have you back.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
How can they miss me when I won't go away?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Right?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
But the yes, no, thank you for saying that.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
But the truth is I got such great feedback obviously
always on you, but on just kind of the whole
month so I do appreciate that, But my friend, I
also appreciate the fact that you've been warning people for
a long time about this d visa fhraim and that
this is going to be very bad news for society
if he was let out, and he had to be
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let out right under this goofy law.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, so yeah, About two weeks ago, we got an
order from the court saying we had to release the
visa because he was incompetent to stand trial on an
attempted second degree murder charge. So I blasted that out
to the public and said, hey, this guy's a danger
to the public in my opinion. Here's the video of
what he did to his victim. You know, we talked
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about how we'd checked off all the boxes of options
that we had and there was just no other option
but to let him free to the public. And then
fast forward two weeks and a couple of nights ago,
he shows up on the UNC campus with a friend
of his, I guess, and they ended up in one
of the residents' apartments and a pit comes in where
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he's alleged to have been walking around the campus with
an AR fifteen style weapon. And you know, that's obviously
bad situation on a college campus. By the time UNCPD arrived,
he had already fled for They issued a warrant for
his arrest, and then my deputies in the Greeley Police
Department in conjunction basically went on a man hunt for him,
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and we found him yesterday and arrested him without incident.
But all that being said, you know, he was out
and free for two weeks. This is the case that
got reported, but based on the feedback we're getting through
social media, this was not his only incident. It's just
the one that got reported weeks. Yeah, in that two weeks,
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it sounds like you had multiple encounters with folks potentially
with firearms. And I don't even know if he's qualified
to possess a fire arm. He's a refugee from Tanzania,
he's twenty one years old. I don't know the particulars
about whether or not he can legally possess a weapon,
but based on his criminal history, there's no way he should.
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But that criminal history doesn't matter because he keeps getting
found incompetent to stand trial, so that criminal history is
not held against him. It's just this revolving nor he
can't be deported because there's no convictions on him to
revoke his refugee status. So he has this get out
of jail free card and keeps using it.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Oh it's societal suicide, right, and you warned people and
he is. Eventually we all know where this ends, right,
And I can't fault the court. I mean, you've got
this law. You got to follow the law. They found
him to be incompetent and not restorable, as you know,
that's the key to just freeing him. Now what do
you make of Polis coming out and saying, oh, no,
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the county should just have the guy involuntarily committed.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Well, so Polis is dead wrong on that issue. That's
what happens when you speak with little intelligence on an issue.
So he jumped into the fray because he was embarrassed
for the fact that he signed this bill into law.
But ultimately, you know, he's trying to say that we
should have had this guy committed on a mental healthhold
or some kind of mental health adjudication. He's not, but
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the visa is not mentally ill. The reason that he's
been found incompetent to stand trial is based on cognitive issues.
And I got to give Dylan Thomas with CBS's force
some credit. Today. He requests a person a person interview
with the visa and he agreed to it until his
attorney showed up and ended it. But he got a
few questions in and it makes it very clear that
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the visa he knows what he's doing. He's claiming that
he's being framed. He's claiming that, you know, he's being persecuted.
Those aren't terms and ideals that someone uses who's incompetent
to stand trial. He's just evil, he's criminally he's criminally
leaned towards bad behavior. That's it. That's all there is
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to it.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
As sherifframs, our guest.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And we know this crocodile tier nonsense from Polis, because
if Polis really cared about this, he would have made
it part of the special session. He would have fixed
it during this special session. This is obviously a clear
and present danger of the highest order, and police wouldn't
include it in a special session.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Sure well, I called for a special session. I asked
him to go in a special session when this guy
was released the last time, and of course you know
that's whenly he went in a tweet battle with Elon
Musk and others.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Who's gon on that.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, well he lost. But you know, now this guy's
back in custody, here's another opportunity. Call the special session
and fix it. I mean, just if nothing else, reverse
the law that you reversed, the ability you signed into law,
naturally reverse house built twenty four to ten thirty four.
At least get us back to where we were. I mean, gosh,
it doesn't seem that difficult. Well to admit that he
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made a mist it must be impossible.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Well for him, it is, right, and it's it's just
with him. It's never about the people. It's never been.
And think about this, and I know you have, because
you put the warning out there. What if this had
been just a mass shooting on campus committed by this guy? Right,
and we all know that with police's approach to this, now,
that's where it's going to end. Whether it's this guy
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or somebody else, one of these other people too nuts
to stand trial who's then released under Polus's law, there's
going to be a mass casualty event, and then they're
going to say, let's have a special session.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I say, let's have the special session before we have
all those dead bodies.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
One hundred percent, Dan, and I have to believe this
would be totally This would be like a totally different
if Debisa was being released into Jared Poulis's neighborhood, if
he was hanging out in the in the town of
Boulder and running around with his family, I think you'd
look at it at least a little different. But you know,
he's insulated, he's got security, he's not worried about this guy.
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His kids aren't in college, he doesn't have to worry
about his kids running into this guy. I mean, it's
just a bad deal all the way around. He's a
threat to society, he's a miner, and he's using his
get out of jail free card proactively at this point.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, and we know we have so many others like
this around the state, right, and we've been talking about
those cases as well, the one in Aurora, the attempted
kidnapping of a child, you know, somebody with multiple criminal episodes. Yeah,
and the fatality down I think you know, Paso County.
So this is a statewide crisis. And as you say,
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Sheriff Fraemes, police could fix it with the special session,
but he won't.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Why not, Well, he doesn't want to admit that he
made a mistake. He doesn't want admit that, you know,
he might have done something that wasn't in the interest
of you know, his constituents. But quite frankly, there were
plenty of Republicans that supported this bill. Also, it's okay
to say I made a mistake. I'm married. I've had
to say that many times in my.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Life, whether you did or not.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I mean, that's how that's exactly right. Sometimes you just
have to say, hey, this wasn't how this didn't end
up as we intended. Let's fix it and you know,
reverse this bill and then let's tackle the bigger system.
But that's not what legislators do. That's not what lawmakers do.
They hide, they run. And Governor polis Is he's the
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worst example of what I had politicians.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Well, and this is what a governor's there for, right,
And as you say, there are and I'm just getting
educated on this. My apologies, I've been in a trial bubble.
But apparently there are a number of Republicans, including a
number of Republicans I really respect, including Barb Kirkmeyer.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Who is just on with us.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And I've asked Ryan to try to reach her see
if she'll pop back this hour to talk about this bill.
But but yeah, I mean this is why you have
a governor somebody in that position, right who can just
take the lead and say, Okay, mistake was made, the
claim it was well intentioned, whatever, and we got to
fix it. But but yeah, it just comes back to
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and I don't mean to make it personal, because I've
enjoyed him in the past. I've enjoyed our conversations on air.
He stopped coming on air for years because he knows
he doesn't have answers to the tougher questions. But I've
never seen anybody in public life, other than maybe Barack
Obama who had so little empathy, just so little natural
caring for others.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, I think you're correct. I mean he's just so
insulated from the people of Colorado. I don't think he
understands who his constituents really are. I don't think it
matters to him at this point. Yeah, to another point
you made, can.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
We do this, sheriff, So sorry to interrupt you. Can
you hang through another segment?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Okay, Yeah, let me break here.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Sheriff Steve reims Our guest, and then we'll also talk
about the indictment of James Comey, that news breaking a
few minutes ago and we're starting to get some more information,
so talk with Sheriff Reams about that as well here
on the Dan Kaplas Show.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
And would never condone it and it will never happen again.
If it didn't, then just ignore the apology. All right,
let's go back to the VIP line. Very fortunate to
have Sheriff Steve Reims with us as we're talking about
a lot of things, the debisa from debacle up in
northern Colorado. Sheriff doing his best to protect the community.
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But again, is somebody very dangerous being released because they're
two not technically incompetent to stand trial and quote not
restorable under a bills signed by Jared Poulus. So we're
talking about we know how to fix it, right, Sheriff,
We just need the special session which polists won't call.
And then I wanted to get your take on the
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indictment of James Camy. Now at this point I haven't
been able to find Doline, you know, the underlying filing
to get all the particulars, but any immediate reaction to that, well.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I have to admit the snarkiness of that guy. Jade's
my view of anything surrounding him. But sometimes people get
a little dose of carma, and I think if anyone
deserves it, it's James Comy. I have to interact with
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the FBI on occasion on different cases, and there is
a market change with the new leadership of the FBI
versus the old leadership of the FBI, and I very
much welcome the partnership that we have once again with
our federal folks down and well, I mean they actually
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answer the phone, they can answer issues, They want to
help us solve crime. They looked for solutions because before
they were handcuffed and weren't able to do so. I
don't ever blame the guys on the on the ground.
You know. It's just like I see our border patrol.
They were all handcuffed under Biden administration. But James, call me,
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was a was a driver of a lot of bad
policy in my opinion at the FBI. And you know
when he when he came out with the eighty six
forty seven thing, that was kind of that was kind
of a window into his soul, and sometimes karma comes
around and get you.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Didn't I tell you that he's gone nuts, I mean
just like nuts to do that.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Well, I don't know what nuts means anymore. Talking about
competency and mental illness, he's uh, he's in the wrong place. Well,
he was in the wrong place for sure. He was
always a political animal. I believe that the guy.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Let a coup attempt against the sitting president. And now
what I assumed hopefully wrong. I assumed that he was
smart enough to hit the seams and lead this coup
attempt without exposing himself to criminal prosecution. But it doesn't
make it less immoral or less destructive to the country. Now,
if he wasn't that smart, and if he did commit
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crimes along the way, I say, hammer him form. What
I don't want to see is I don't want to
see him prosecuted, you know, if there's not a provable
crime there, because I don't want this country to spiral
into that. But lord knows, any guy who led a
coup attempt against a sitting president. I hope what he
did was criminal because it shouldn't get away with it.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah, I agree with you, wholeheartedly. I don't believe you
should prosecute or persecute, you know, your political opponents. But
if what he did while he was in his position
was in fact criminal in nature, he needs him held accountable.
I mean, I believe that at every level of law enforcement,
and he was at the highest level of law enforcement,
so you know, he's held to the highest standard out there.
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And it sounds like we're about to find out.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, no, we will share Steve reams our guests, So yeah,
hopefully before the end of the show today, we'll have
more particulars.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
On the indictments.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So, hey, what's your take on Colorado politics right now?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Statewide? Where do you think it's all headed in this cycle?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And do you want to talk about your race as well?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Well? Sure, well, I think I think politics in Colorado
it's an interesting time right now because the left's policies
are finally kind of coming home to roost. You know,
we're finding out exactly when you go too far to
the left. You know, what are the impacts when we're
letting the criminals out on the street so they can
repeat their offenses. You know, when we're tilting the deck
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against cops and four criminals. I mean, Colorado is the
number two state in criminal offenses. That can't bode well
for the Democrats. I think Governor Polis is underwater. If
he was running for another term, I don't know that
he would be in a very good situation. Bennett is
as boring as as wallpaper. I think there's a pathway
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for Republicans to come back, but they have to not
be and and some some Republicans. Republicans aren't going to
like what I'm going to say, but they have to
be mainstream. In other words, they have to take on
issues that matter to all Coloradoans, not just the crazy
folks that are way to the right. And sometimes I'm
that crazy folk that's way to the right, but well sometimes,
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but you know, you have to you have to you
have to resonate with all Coloradoans. And I think when
you talk about crime, when you talk about the cost
of living, when you talk about how bad the roads are,
the infrastructure in Colorado, those are things that impact every
person in this state. And like in Well County, you know,
we're a little insulated, but even in Weld County we're
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starting to lose our way a little bit. And look
at taking on debt and and grabbing into projects that
are probably beyond our scope for for the county. And
that's actually what what energized me to say, you know,
I'm done as a sheriff, but I can't walk away
from the county. So I'm going to run for County
commissioner and try to bring some some level headedness back
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to the border county commissioners. We've got some good folks there,
but we need more and I think I think I
can add to that combination. And I think the voters
of Weld County know my track record, they know what
I stand for, and you know, I'm going to get
in this race. And I definitely have an opponent. He's
a he's an incumbent county commissioner. But I'm I'm not.
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I'm not fearful of that. And I think the voters
of Weld County know exactly what I bring to the table,
and hopefully they'll they'll vote for me when next November
GOLs around.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
And I'm a proud donor to their campaign. What's the website.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
It's Rings for Commissioner dot com. Pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Hopefully people.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Yeah, I encourage people, no, no, no, consultant. I didn't
hire the people that did the Sixteenth Street mall project.
I'm all about being physically resuled. That good move. Yeah,
you know, it's a matter of keeping well, kind of
going in the right direction and being that beacon for
the state of.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Colorado, you know, and Well County so important to the
state of Colorado for a lot of different reasons. But
he appreciate the time today, and good luck with everything,
and we'll see what more details we get on this
Komby indictment.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, you bet, and welcome back to your show.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Appreciate it, Appreciate all the great work that is Sheriff
Steve Reims. So yeah, hopefully during this break we can
harvest some more details on the indictment. Nice tune. You
can dance to it. You know what that line's from, No,
I don't American bandstand?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Ooh yeah, Dick Clark, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, nice tune, can dance to it. Yeah, So I'll
try to dig it up during the break.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
All the initial reporting is just about and general nature
of these two counts.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
He was indicted on.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Some reporting saying there was a third the grand jury
did not indict on. But I want to get down
to the particulars, then nitty gritty, I'll see.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
What I can find during the break. Will come back
at thirty six here on the Dan Capitlis Show.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
The indictment of James Comy.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
We're gathering as much information as it appears at this point,
and again we won't be able to confirm it until
we see the indictment documents themselves. But it appears at
this point that at least one of the counts is
aligned to Congress, based on Komy telling Congress that he
did not authorize leaks stemming out of the investigation of
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President Trump, whereas Andrew McKay. But I believe later acknowledged
Comy did authorize leaks. So it appears that is most
likely to be, according to reporting, the genesis of the
charge of lying to Congress, the obstruction charge. Yet don't
have any details on that. Will pass it along, and
again you know where I'm coming from. If the evidence
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is there to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, bring
the charge. Lord knows Comy led a coup against us
any president. But if it's not there, yeah, I don't
want us to become a Banana Republic. My guest sitting
here right now is that the evidence is there, and
I just think that anyone who's going to do what
Komi did and lead that type of coup attempt, I
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think that that is so far outside the bounds of decency, patriotism,
the spirit of the law. I think the chance that
he then you know, the tangled web syndrome, then went
on to light to Congress, I think that chance goes
way up. So we will find out together, we'll continue
to follow it into tomorrow show obviously very important thing,
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and then the related issue of okay, what other indictments
may be coming. So certainly, if the evidence is there,
you can be sure that the president Trump's going to
want to pursued. There hasn't been any president even close
right to the level of persecution, unfair persecution that president faced.
And then then you know, you can never separate out
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the personal. We're all human. It's a human process. But
when you think about Trump, okay, everything you did to win,
et cetera, and then you have a guy like Comy,
and there were clearly others who are not only trying
to destroy him, not only a fate worse than death
right if they succeeded, but trying to destroy his family
and whether that was their specific intent, but they were
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certainly willing to have his entire family destroyed had they
succeeded against him, And that they applies to all of
these you know, lefty prosecutors, etc. Who had either together
or separately set out to misuse the American legal system
to unfairly prosecute and ruined Donald Trump. So yeah, any
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human in his shoes I think is at.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
That point going to be very very focused. What's that?
Oh we have, Barb Beck. Okay, thank you for that.
Let's go to the VIP line. Barb Kirkmeyer was kind
enough to.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Be with us earlier and jump back in because barbar
we had some text about your support for that bill
that it's now getting so much attention because it's led
to the latest example, this to Visa from up in
northern Colorado having to be released as mentally incompetent and
not restorable. So I know you as a thoughtful person
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who values life. So thanks for coming back and just
talking about what led to your vote on that bill.
And you were you know, you were joined by other
Republicans that I respect, but so please do tell folks
the story.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Sure, and I appreciate you. Let me get back on
and talk about it. So here's a situation there's already
with regard to the Constitution that if someone isn't competent
and capable of standing for trial, you can't just let
them sit in jail.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
And there was some some pre court Supreme Court rulings
on that a few years ago that basically reinforced that.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
So this bill that came.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Forward House built twenty four to.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Ten thirty four went through a task force, a recommendation
from a task force that had law enforcement folks on it, sheriffs,
district attorneys, educational folks, wide variety of people, but a
task force that made recommendations to an intruimp committee. So
these are committees that meet in the interim in between sessions.
The Interim Committee recommended.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
This bill, and so did the task force, and it.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Came forward out of an interim committee bill.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
And that's why it had bipartisan.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Support both as sponsorship and even.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
As it was going through both the House and the Senate.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
And even in committee.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
At least on the Senate side, there.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Wasn't anyone from law enforcement. Meant sheriffs or district attorneys
that opposed the bill, which is.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
One of the first things I look for on bills
is where are the district attorneys at? Where's their association?
And you know, where are the sheriff's at.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
I mean, I have a great working relationship with Sheriff
Rings in my county. We're good friends. We've worked together
for years on things, and typically if there's a problem,
you know, he sends me a Texans like Kirkmeyer vote
no on the bill, and then you.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Know, I'll follow up with why, and he'll give me
the information.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
But just go went through and you're correct. It actually
passed out a committee unanimously, and it passed off of
the Senate floor unanimously. I don't believe everybody was there
that day, but I think it was like a thirty members.
So all the Republicans and all the Democrats voted for
it in the Senate because we were told and as
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I read through the bill and had an understanding.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
And working with Senator Gardner on it, the understanding.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Was is that, you know, incarceration is not necessarily the
best place for some of these folks, especially when they
have mental illness or they have disabilities where they can't
stand trial and where they need you know, it's mental
illness where they need to get resources that they.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Can you know, recover, you know, recoverable.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
And so again looking at it from that perspective, knowing
that you know, discussion after discussion with county sheriff that
they don't want their jails turning into the largest mental.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Institution in the state.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
You know, it was either they could go through incarceration
or they would have to go through either through an
institution or some type of resources to get, you know,
what they need so that they could maybe recover or
they could have the therapy that they need. But certainly,
again thinking about it from a constitutional perspective, you can't
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just let people sit in jail.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Now.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I understand there are some flaws with the bill now.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
As it's gone through and you know, it's gone through
the judicial system, and we've had a few people which
is a few too many, and you know, I think
we can all agree on that. And I've had discussions
with district attorneys, sitting district attorneys, former district attorneys, with
my sheriff about what can we do.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
And you know, I know that prior to the special session,
that there were folks that were trying.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
To get.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Governor Paulas to put.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
The you know, give us an opportunity during the special session.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
That did not happen. I know there's discussion now that
we're trying to see if we can force and push
for a special session. So where I'm at is is
I'm working to convene a group of folks my sheriff
included a couple of district attorneys, you know, folks in
the education world, folks that are in the victim assistance world,
and talk to them about what can we do, how
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can we fix this bill? How can we be prepared so.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
If there is a special session, I.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Can be effective on working to get to a fix.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
And if there isn't a special session.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
I can either carry a bill or I know there
is going to be some other legislation that will be
coming through.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
To fix this broken law essentially and make it better.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
And so I want to.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Make sure that I'm prepared that if I need to
have an amendment ready to.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Go and make it work. But I've been talking to
with law.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Enforcement folks to make it go through, to figure out
what we can do.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
And Barbara, I do appreciate you popping back on to
talk about it. I personally view it as a five
alarm fire, So I'm really glad that you're focused on it.
I think there needs to be and you're certainly in
a position to do it.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Sounds like you are.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Every bit of pressure that can properly be brought on
Polis to be brought on him to have a special session,
right because any of these could turn into a mass disaster.
If any of these turns into one killing, it's a disaster.
So I think it's just got to be fixed asap.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Yeah, I would agree with you. And like I said,
when we were going through and examining the bill, and
you know, we're all learning about the bill, and when
I'm saying, we thking about the Republican caucus, we went
through and talked about this bill as a caucus and
we had the understanding that, Okay, so they're either going to.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Be incarcerated or they would be institutionalized. That was our
understanding of the bill.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Clearly, the bill has been implemented in a way that
was not how we felt and how we understood the
law to be written. It needs to be fixed. I'm
with you a hundred percent and working on it.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Well.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Appreciate you popping back on and getting that history there.
Thank you, Bob.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Take care. That is Barb Kirkmeyer.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
So we'll come back follow up on that, follow up
on the indictment of James Comey as we get more
information about the evidence behind you.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
You're on the Dan Capitlo Show.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, indictment itself.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So I'll read it to you Hunter about September thirty,
twenty twenty in the Eastern District, Virginia.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Sorry, I've got pizza in my mouth.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Thank you Kelly forgetting some Anthony's pizza during the show today.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
James B. Comy, Jr.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Did willfully and knowingly make a materially false, fictitious, and
fraudulent statement in a matter within the jurisdiction of the
legislative branch of the government of the United States by
falsely stating to a US Senator during a Senate Traditionary
Committee hearing that he, James B.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Comey, Jr. Had not quote authorized.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Someone else at the FBI to be an anonymous source
in news reports regarding an FBI investigation concerning Person one,
paragraph two. The statement was false because, as James B.
Comey Jor then and there new, he in fact had
authorized Person three to serve as an anonymous source in
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news reports regarding an FBI investigation concerning Person one, all
in violation of eighteen USC. Section ten to one Perenze
Prins two. That's the line to Congress count. And then
you have the same facts serving as a basis for
count two, obstruction of a Congressional preceding eighteen USC.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Section fifteen oh.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Five, Honor about September thirty, twenty twenty Eastern District of Virginia,
Defendant James Comy, etcetera, did corruptly endeavored to influence, obstruction
and impede the do and proper exercise of the power
of inquiry under which an investigation was being had before
the Senate Judiciary Committee by making false and misleading statements
before that committee. So you've got the lie and then
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you've got the obstruction of Congress, the two charges stemming
from the same facts, each carrying I believe up to
five years.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
So where does it go from here?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Three or three someone three eight two five five takes
d an five seven, seven, three nine. What I don't
know just sitting here, right. I do catastrophic injury and
death work. I don't do criminal defense. So sitting here,
I can't reel off the top of my head the
case precedence for these kind of prosecutions, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
But did Comy lie to Congress?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You know, just sitting here watching the video of that appearance,
sure seem like a lie to Congress. But now within
the case law, you know, is there are there some
cases out there that require something more than just what
we can all watch in that video. That's what I
don't know just sitting here, But I'll be finding out
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about that overnight. And so if that's the case, what
more is out there to come?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I mean, you have so many dirty, dirty actors involved
in this coup attempt. The question is did their dirty
acts violate any particular criminal statutes? I mean, you know,
and I'm proud of myself for saying it while it
was unfolding that James Comy was leading a coup attempt.
Now it appears that the only bad conduct that may
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have crossed the line criminally, you know, was this line
of Congress. So the point being that not all bad conduct,
not all horrific conduct violates a criminal statue. And so
my working assumption had been that Comy was smart enough
to be able to steer through those big, gaping holes,
but maybe not on this one. So and then we'll
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see who else, right, because one thing that's clear is
that the Trump DOJ if the evidence is there and
somebody violated the law, they're not going to be deterred
by the person's lofty title. Now, I hope that doesn't
slip into bringing charges where they otherwise would not be brought.
And I know that's hard on a human level, right
because President Trump was subjected to all these horrors that
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would have destroyed him and you know, in many ways
his family and so who can blame him for wanting
to even the score. But for this nation, yeah, we
don't want to become a banana republic. So if they've
got the goods, they got the evidence, well it should
bring the arches and they should go prosecute and convict.
And if they don't, then they should we'll find out together.
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Sure look like a lie to me just as a
layman there Ryan watching that video.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
So we'll see what the defense is.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Well, do you think there's gonna be public comment from
call me on this.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
We'll go on to me fascinating to see.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I mean, he seemed a little nuts slightly, all the
Taylor Swift stuff and everything else.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Is there a Taylor Swift not to make light of this?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Is? Is there a.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Taylor Swift song that would best apply to his defense?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
There could have been a promo right there.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Yeah, And I will say, I'm gonna make this prediction.
James Comy will be on Jimmy Kimmel Live to talk
about it.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
HM, that would make sense. And there's a bit of
a resemblance there too, maybe not in height, but what
Taylor Swift song? Because it was James Comy, remember, just
weeks ago decided to refer to a Taylor Swift song
during a video where he sounded as if maybe visited
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Colorado and partook of what is now legal on a
state level.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
I was going to ask who celebrates Taylor Swift's catalog
more James Comy or you.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I've got to tell you that the Taylor Swift thing
with me has always been a father daughter thing, and
I do like I do like some of her music.
But if you, if you were to look Kelly just
had my phone to order the pizza. If you were
to look in my phone, I guess I guess that. Well,
she'd be welcome to you know, no monkey business in there.
But she doesn't get that reference.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Does she?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Gary Heart? I got it, but no.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I was just going to say how much Taylor Swift
would you find? And then I realized you'd probably find
every song she's ever done. Because when my daughter and
I are driving together, you know, we'll take my phone
and we'll play Taylor Swift. We've been going to her
concert since Caroline was let me do the mass ten eleven?
Did I ever show you that picture of the first
Taylor Swift concert? I took Caroline to look like a
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high school gym, right, It wasn't a small look.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Like that kind of set up. And yeah, so the
lyrics don't really fit.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
But I will say one word that's probably going through
his head right now is red.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
M oh. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
So what Taylor Swift song will be the theme of
his defense? And which song would the prosecution pump up
on its way to that trial?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
You think there'll be a deal.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
No, you gotta part of doing this is to make
it very public.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, No, I'm with you. I don't think there will
be a deal. I think this isn't all or nothing.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
So now we'll follow up on that Taylor Swift thing tomorrow.
So I'm probably the only person who wants to Ryan
tremendous job is always Kelly human sunshine. On top of that,
today a great pizza from Anthony's, which we fully paid for.
By the way, that's not a trade. Join us tomorrow
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
How you doing, my friend, I'm doing great?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You know hard. It was not to do the intro
back from the commercial there. I mean, geez, welcome back
to your show.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I hear you.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Guys killed it. I got a note right here about
you and George together. It was apparently an instant class. Yeah,
need to do more of that.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah, it was a good time. Yeah. Well, you know,
I think people missed you, though, Dan, I'm sure they're
glad to have you back.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
How can they miss me when I won't go away?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Right?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
But the yes, no, thank you for saying that.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
But the truth is I got such great feedback obviously
always on you, but on just kind of the whole
month so I do appreciate that, But my friend, I
also appreciate the fact that you've been warning people for
a long time about this d visa fhraim and that
this is going to be very bad news for society
if he was let out, and he had to be
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let out right under this goofy law.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, so yeah, About two weeks ago, we got an
order from the court saying we had to release the
visa because he was incompetent to stand trial on an
attempted second degree murder charge. So I blasted that out
to the public and said, hey, this guy's a danger
to the public in my opinion. Here's the video of
what he did to his victim. You know, we talked
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about how we'd checked off all the boxes of options
that we had and there was just no other option
but to let him free to the public. And then
fast forward two weeks and a couple of nights ago,
he shows up on the UNC campus with a friend
of his, I guess, and they ended up in one
of the residents' apartments and a pit comes in where
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he's alleged to have been walking around the campus with
an AR fifteen style weapon. And you know, that's obviously
bad situation on a college campus. By the time UNCPD arrived,
he had already fled for They issued a warrant for
his arrest, and then my deputies in the Greeley Police
Department in conjunction basically went on a man hunt for him,
(02:30):
and we found him yesterday and arrested him without incident.
But all that being said, you know, he was out
and free for two weeks. This is the case that
got reported, but based on the feedback we're getting through
social media, this was not his only incident. It's just
the one that got reported weeks. Yeah, in that two weeks,
(02:51):
it sounds like you had multiple encounters with folks potentially
with firearms. And I don't even know if he's qualified
to possess a fire arm. He's a refugee from Tanzania,
he's twenty one years old. I don't know the particulars
about whether or not he can legally possess a weapon,
but based on his criminal history, there's no way he should.
(03:13):
But that criminal history doesn't matter because he keeps getting
found incompetent to stand trial, so that criminal history is
not held against him. It's just this revolving nor he
can't be deported because there's no convictions on him to
revoke his refugee status. So he has this get out
of jail free card and keeps using it.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Oh it's societal suicide, right, and you warned people and
he is. Eventually we all know where this ends, right,
And I can't fault the court. I mean, you've got
this law. You got to follow the law. They found
him to be incompetent and not restorable, as you know,
that's the key to just freeing him. Now what do
you make of Polis coming out and saying, oh, no,
(03:54):
the county should just have the guy involuntarily committed.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Well, so Polis is dead wrong on that issue. That's
what happens when you speak with little intelligence on an issue.
So he jumped into the fray because he was embarrassed
for the fact that he signed this bill into law.
But ultimately, you know, he's trying to say that we
should have had this guy committed on a mental healthhold
or some kind of mental health adjudication. He's not, but
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the visa is not mentally ill. The reason that he's
been found incompetent to stand trial is based on cognitive issues.
And I got to give Dylan Thomas with CBS's force
some credit. Today. He requests a person a person interview
with the visa and he agreed to it until his
attorney showed up and ended it. But he got a
few questions in and it makes it very clear that
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the visa he knows what he's doing. He's claiming that
he's being framed. He's claiming that, you know, he's being persecuted.
Those aren't terms and ideals that someone uses who's incompetent
to stand trial. He's just evil, he's criminally he's criminally
leaned towards bad behavior. That's it. That's all there is
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to it.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
As sherifframs, our guest.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And we know this crocodile tier nonsense from Polis, because
if Polis really cared about this, he would have made
it part of the special session. He would have fixed
it during this special session. This is obviously a clear
and present danger of the highest order, and police wouldn't
include it in a special session.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Sure well, I called for a special session. I asked
him to go in a special session when this guy
was released the last time, and of course you know
that's whenly he went in a tweet battle with Elon
Musk and others.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Who's gon on that.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, well he lost. But you know, now this guy's
back in custody, here's another opportunity. Call the special session
and fix it. I mean, just if nothing else, reverse
the law that you reversed, the ability you signed into law,
naturally reverse house built twenty four to ten thirty four.
At least get us back to where we were. I mean, gosh,
it doesn't seem that difficult. Well to admit that he
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made a mist it must be impossible.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Well for him, it is, right, and it's it's just
with him. It's never about the people. It's never been.
And think about this, and I know you have, because
you put the warning out there. What if this had
been just a mass shooting on campus committed by this guy? Right,
and we all know that with police's approach to this, now,
that's where it's going to end. Whether it's this guy
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or somebody else, one of these other people too nuts
to stand trial who's then released under Polus's law, there's
going to be a mass casualty event, and then they're
going to say, let's have a special session.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I say, let's have the special session before we have
all those dead bodies.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
One hundred percent, Dan, and I have to believe this
would be totally This would be like a totally different
if Debisa was being released into Jared Poulis's neighborhood, if
he was hanging out in the in the town of
Boulder and running around with his family, I think you'd
look at it at least a little different. But you know,
he's insulated, he's got security, he's not worried about this guy.
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His kids aren't in college, he doesn't have to worry
about his kids running into this guy. I mean, it's
just a bad deal all the way around. He's a
threat to society, he's a miner, and he's using his
get out of jail free card proactively at this point.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, and we know we have so many others like
this around the state, right, and we've been talking about
those cases as well, the one in Aurora, the attempted
kidnapping of a child, you know, somebody with multiple criminal episodes. Yeah,
and the fatality down I think you know, Paso County.
So this is a statewide crisis. And as you say,
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Sheriff Fraemes, police could fix it with the special session,
but he won't.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Why not, Well, he doesn't want to admit that he
made a mistake. He doesn't want admit that, you know,
he might have done something that wasn't in the interest
of you know, his constituents. But quite frankly, there were
plenty of Republicans that supported this bill. Also, it's okay
to say I made a mistake. I'm married. I've had
to say that many times in my.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Life, whether you did or not.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I mean, that's how that's exactly right. Sometimes you just
have to say, hey, this wasn't how this didn't end
up as we intended. Let's fix it and you know,
reverse this bill and then let's tackle the bigger system.
But that's not what legislators do. That's not what lawmakers do.
They hide, they run. And Governor polis Is he's the
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worst example of what I had politicians.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Well, and this is what a governor's there for, right,
And as you say, there are and I'm just getting
educated on this. My apologies, I've been in a trial bubble.
But apparently there are a number of Republicans, including a
number of Republicans I really respect, including Barb Kirkmeyer.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Who is just on with us.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And I've asked Ryan to try to reach her see
if she'll pop back this hour to talk about this bill.
But but yeah, I mean this is why you have
a governor somebody in that position, right who can just
take the lead and say, Okay, mistake was made, the
claim it was well intentioned, whatever, and we got to
fix it. But but yeah, it just comes back to
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and I don't mean to make it personal, because I've
enjoyed him in the past. I've enjoyed our conversations on air.
He stopped coming on air for years because he knows
he doesn't have answers to the tougher questions. But I've
never seen anybody in public life, other than maybe Barack
Obama who had so little empathy, just so little natural
caring for others.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, I think you're correct. I mean he's just so
insulated from the people of Colorado. I don't think he
understands who his constituents really are. I don't think it
matters to him at this point. Yeah, to another point
you made, can.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
We do this, sheriff, So sorry to interrupt you. Can
you hang through another segment?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Okay, Yeah, let me break here.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Sheriff Steve reims Our guest, and then we'll also talk
about the indictment of James Comey, that news breaking a
few minutes ago and we're starting to get some more information,
so talk with Sheriff Reams about that as well here
on the Dan Kaplas Show.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
And would never condone it and it will never happen again.
If it didn't, then just ignore the apology. All right,
let's go back to the VIP line. Very fortunate to
have Sheriff Steve Reims with us as we're talking about
a lot of things, the debisa from debacle up in
northern Colorado. Sheriff doing his best to protect the community.
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But again, is somebody very dangerous being released because they're
two not technically incompetent to stand trial and quote not
restorable under a bills signed by Jared Poulus. So we're
talking about we know how to fix it, right, Sheriff,
We just need the special session which polists won't call.
And then I wanted to get your take on the
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indictment of James Camy. Now at this point I haven't
been able to find Doline, you know, the underlying filing
to get all the particulars, but any immediate reaction to that, well.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I have to admit the snarkiness of that guy. Jade's
my view of anything surrounding him. But sometimes people get
a little dose of carma, and I think if anyone
deserves it, it's James Comy. I have to interact with
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the FBI on occasion on different cases, and there is
a market change with the new leadership of the FBI
versus the old leadership of the FBI, and I very
much welcome the partnership that we have once again with
our federal folks down and well, I mean they actually
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answer the phone, they can answer issues, They want to
help us solve crime. They looked for solutions because before
they were handcuffed and weren't able to do so. I
don't ever blame the guys on the on the ground.
You know. It's just like I see our border patrol.
They were all handcuffed under Biden administration. But James, call me,
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was a was a driver of a lot of bad
policy in my opinion at the FBI. And you know
when he when he came out with the eighty six
forty seven thing, that was kind of that was kind
of a window into his soul, and sometimes karma comes
around and get you.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Didn't I tell you that he's gone nuts, I mean
just like nuts to do that.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Well, I don't know what nuts means anymore. Talking about
competency and mental illness, he's uh, he's in the wrong place. Well,
he was in the wrong place for sure. He was
always a political animal. I believe that the guy.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Let a coup attempt against the sitting president. And now
what I assumed hopefully wrong. I assumed that he was
smart enough to hit the seams and lead this coup
attempt without exposing himself to criminal prosecution. But it doesn't
make it less immoral or less destructive to the country. Now,
if he wasn't that smart, and if he did commit
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crimes along the way, I say, hammer him form. What
I don't want to see is I don't want to
see him prosecuted, you know, if there's not a provable
crime there, because I don't want this country to spiral
into that. But lord knows, any guy who led a
coup attempt against a sitting president. I hope what he
did was criminal because it shouldn't get away with it.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah, I agree with you, wholeheartedly. I don't believe you
should prosecute or persecute, you know, your political opponents. But
if what he did while he was in his position
was in fact criminal in nature, he needs him held accountable.
I mean, I believe that at every level of law enforcement,
and he was at the highest level of law enforcement,
so you know, he's held to the highest standard out there.
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And it sounds like we're about to find out.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, no, we will share Steve reams our guests, So yeah,
hopefully before the end of the show today, we'll have
more particulars.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
On the indictments.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So, hey, what's your take on Colorado politics right now?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Statewide? Where do you think it's all headed in this cycle?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And do you want to talk about your race as well?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Well? Sure, well, I think I think politics in Colorado
it's an interesting time right now because the left's policies
are finally kind of coming home to roost. You know,
we're finding out exactly when you go too far to
the left. You know, what are the impacts when we're
letting the criminals out on the street so they can
repeat their offenses. You know, when we're tilting the deck
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against cops and four criminals. I mean, Colorado is the
number two state in criminal offenses. That can't bode well
for the Democrats. I think Governor Polis is underwater. If
he was running for another term, I don't know that
he would be in a very good situation. Bennett is
as boring as as wallpaper. I think there's a pathway
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for Republicans to come back, but they have to not
be and and some some Republicans. Republicans aren't going to
like what I'm going to say, but they have to
be mainstream. In other words, they have to take on
issues that matter to all Coloradoans, not just the crazy
folks that are way to the right. And sometimes I'm
that crazy folk that's way to the right, but well sometimes,
(15:34):
but you know, you have to you have to you
have to resonate with all Coloradoans. And I think when
you talk about crime, when you talk about the cost
of living, when you talk about how bad the roads are,
the infrastructure in Colorado, those are things that impact every
person in this state. And like in Well County, you know,
we're a little insulated, but even in Weld County we're
(15:54):
starting to lose our way a little bit. And look
at taking on debt and and grabbing into projects that
are probably beyond our scope for for the county. And
that's actually what what energized me to say, you know,
I'm done as a sheriff, but I can't walk away
from the county. So I'm going to run for County
commissioner and try to bring some some level headedness back
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to the border county commissioners. We've got some good folks there,
but we need more and I think I think I
can add to that combination. And I think the voters
of Weld County know my track record, they know what
I stand for, and you know, I'm going to get
in this race. And I definitely have an opponent. He's
a he's an incumbent county commissioner. But I'm I'm not.
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I'm not fearful of that. And I think the voters
of Weld County know exactly what I bring to the table,
and hopefully they'll they'll vote for me when next November
GOLs around.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
And I'm a proud donor to their campaign. What's the website.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
It's Rings for Commissioner dot com. Pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Hopefully people.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Yeah, I encourage people, no, no, no, consultant. I didn't
hire the people that did the Sixteenth Street mall project.
I'm all about being physically resuled. That good move. Yeah,
you know, it's a matter of keeping well, kind of
going in the right direction and being that beacon for
the state of.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Colorado, you know, and Well County so important to the
state of Colorado for a lot of different reasons. But
he appreciate the time today, and good luck with everything,
and we'll see what more details we get on this
Komby indictment.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, you bet, and welcome back to your show.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Appreciate it, Appreciate all the great work that is Sheriff
Steve Reims. So yeah, hopefully during this break we can
harvest some more details on the indictment. Nice tune. You
can dance to it. You know what that line's from, No,
I don't American bandstand?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Ooh yeah, Dick Clark, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, nice tune, can dance to it. Yeah, So I'll
try to dig it up during the break.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
All the initial reporting is just about and general nature
of these two counts.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
He was indicted on.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Some reporting saying there was a third the grand jury
did not indict on. But I want to get down
to the particulars, then nitty gritty, I'll see.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
What I can find during the break. Will come back
at thirty six here on the Dan Capitlis Show.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
The indictment of James Comy.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
We're gathering as much information as it appears at this point,
and again we won't be able to confirm it until
we see the indictment documents themselves. But it appears at
this point that at least one of the counts is
aligned to Congress, based on Komy telling Congress that he
did not authorize leaks stemming out of the investigation of
(18:49):
President Trump, whereas Andrew McKay. But I believe later acknowledged
Comy did authorize leaks. So it appears that is most
likely to be, according to reporting, the genesis of the
charge of lying to Congress, the obstruction charge. Yet don't
have any details on that. Will pass it along, and
again you know where I'm coming from. If the evidence
(19:12):
is there to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, bring
the charge. Lord knows Comy led a coup against us
any president. But if it's not there, yeah, I don't
want us to become a Banana Republic. My guest sitting
here right now is that the evidence is there, and
I just think that anyone who's going to do what
Komi did and lead that type of coup attempt, I
(19:33):
think that that is so far outside the bounds of decency, patriotism,
the spirit of the law. I think the chance that
he then you know, the tangled web syndrome, then went
on to light to Congress, I think that chance goes
way up. So we will find out together, we'll continue
to follow it into tomorrow show obviously very important thing,
(19:54):
and then the related issue of okay, what other indictments
may be coming. So certainly, if the evidence is there,
you can be sure that the president Trump's going to
want to pursued. There hasn't been any president even close
right to the level of persecution, unfair persecution that president faced.
And then then you know, you can never separate out
(20:16):
the personal. We're all human. It's a human process. But
when you think about Trump, okay, everything you did to win,
et cetera, and then you have a guy like Comy,
and there were clearly others who are not only trying
to destroy him, not only a fate worse than death
right if they succeeded, but trying to destroy his family
and whether that was their specific intent, but they were
(20:37):
certainly willing to have his entire family destroyed had they
succeeded against him, And that they applies to all of
these you know, lefty prosecutors, etc. Who had either together
or separately set out to misuse the American legal system
to unfairly prosecute and ruined Donald Trump. So yeah, any
(21:02):
human in his shoes I think is at.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
That point going to be very very focused. What's that?
Oh we have, Barb Beck. Okay, thank you for that.
Let's go to the VIP line. Barb Kirkmeyer was kind
enough to.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Be with us earlier and jump back in because barbar
we had some text about your support for that bill
that it's now getting so much attention because it's led
to the latest example, this to Visa from up in
northern Colorado having to be released as mentally incompetent and
not restorable. So I know you as a thoughtful person
(21:38):
who values life. So thanks for coming back and just
talking about what led to your vote on that bill.
And you were you know, you were joined by other
Republicans that I respect, but so please do tell folks
the story.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Sure, and I appreciate you. Let me get back on
and talk about it. So here's a situation there's already
with regard to the Constitution that if someone isn't competent
and capable of standing for trial, you can't just let
them sit in jail.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
And there was some some pre court Supreme Court rulings
on that a few years ago that basically reinforced that.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
So this bill that came.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Forward House built twenty four to.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Ten thirty four went through a task force, a recommendation
from a task force that had law enforcement folks on it, sheriffs,
district attorneys, educational folks, wide variety of people, but a
task force that made recommendations to an intruimp committee. So
these are committees that meet in the interim in between sessions.
The Interim Committee recommended.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
This bill, and so did the task force, and it.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Came forward out of an interim committee bill.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
And that's why it had bipartisan.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Support both as sponsorship and even.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
As it was going through both the House and the Senate.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
And even in committee.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
At least on the Senate side, there.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Wasn't anyone from law enforcement. Meant sheriffs or district attorneys
that opposed the bill, which is.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
One of the first things I look for on bills
is where are the district attorneys at? Where's their association?
And you know, where are the sheriff's at.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
I mean, I have a great working relationship with Sheriff
Rings in my county. We're good friends. We've worked together
for years on things, and typically if there's a problem,
you know, he sends me a Texans like Kirkmeyer vote
no on the bill, and then you.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Know, I'll follow up with why, and he'll give me
the information.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
But just go went through and you're correct. It actually
passed out a committee unanimously, and it passed off of
the Senate floor unanimously. I don't believe everybody was there
that day, but I think it was like a thirty members.
So all the Republicans and all the Democrats voted for
it in the Senate because we were told and as
(23:49):
I read through the bill and had an understanding.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
And working with Senator Gardner on it, the understanding.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Was is that, you know, incarceration is not necessarily the
best place for some of these folks, especially when they
have mental illness or they have disabilities where they can't
stand trial and where they need you know, it's mental
illness where they need to get resources that they.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Can you know, recover, you know, recoverable.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
And so again looking at it from that perspective, knowing
that you know, discussion after discussion with county sheriff that
they don't want their jails turning into the largest mental.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Institution in the state.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
You know, it was either they could go through incarceration
or they would have to go through either through an
institution or some type of resources to get, you know,
what they need so that they could maybe recover or
they could have the therapy that they need. But certainly,
again thinking about it from a constitutional perspective, you can't
(24:47):
just let people sit in jail.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Now.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I understand there are some flaws with the bill now.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
As it's gone through and you know, it's gone through
the judicial system, and we've had a few people which
is a few too many, and you know, I think
we can all agree on that. And I've had discussions
with district attorneys, sitting district attorneys, former district attorneys, with
my sheriff about what can we do.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
And you know, I know that prior to the special session,
that there were folks that were trying.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
To get.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Governor Paulas to put.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
The you know, give us an opportunity during the special session.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
That did not happen. I know there's discussion now that
we're trying to see if we can force and push
for a special session. So where I'm at is is
I'm working to convene a group of folks my sheriff
included a couple of district attorneys, you know, folks in
the education world, folks that are in the victim assistance world,
and talk to them about what can we do, how
(25:48):
can we fix this bill? How can we be prepared so.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
If there is a special session, I.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Can be effective on working to get to a fix.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
And if there isn't a special session.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
I can either carry a bill or I know there
is going to be some other legislation that will be
coming through.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
To fix this broken law essentially and make it better.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
And so I want to.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Make sure that I'm prepared that if I need to
have an amendment ready to.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Go and make it work. But I've been talking to
with law.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Enforcement folks to make it go through, to figure out
what we can do.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
And Barbara, I do appreciate you popping back on to
talk about it. I personally view it as a five
alarm fire, So I'm really glad that you're focused on it.
I think there needs to be and you're certainly in
a position to do it.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Sounds like you are.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Every bit of pressure that can properly be brought on
Polis to be brought on him to have a special session,
right because any of these could turn into a mass disaster.
If any of these turns into one killing, it's a disaster.
So I think it's just got to be fixed asap.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Yeah, I would agree with you. And like I said,
when we were going through and examining the bill, and
you know, we're all learning about the bill, and when
I'm saying, we thking about the Republican caucus, we went
through and talked about this bill as a caucus and
we had the understanding that, Okay, so they're either going to.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Be incarcerated or they would be institutionalized. That was our
understanding of the bill.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Clearly, the bill has been implemented in a way that
was not how we felt and how we understood the
law to be written. It needs to be fixed. I'm
with you a hundred percent and working on it.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Well.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Appreciate you popping back on and getting that history there.
Thank you, Bob.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Take care. That is Barb Kirkmeyer.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
So we'll come back follow up on that, follow up
on the indictment of James Comey as we get more
information about the evidence behind you.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
You're on the Dan Capitlo Show.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, indictment itself.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So I'll read it to you Hunter about September thirty,
twenty twenty in the Eastern District, Virginia.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Sorry, I've got pizza in my mouth.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Thank you Kelly forgetting some Anthony's pizza during the show today.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
James B. Comy, Jr.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Did willfully and knowingly make a materially false, fictitious, and
fraudulent statement in a matter within the jurisdiction of the
legislative branch of the government of the United States by
falsely stating to a US Senator during a Senate Traditionary
Committee hearing that he, James B.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Comey, Jr. Had not quote authorized.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Someone else at the FBI to be an anonymous source
in news reports regarding an FBI investigation concerning Person one,
paragraph two. The statement was false because, as James B.
Comey Jor then and there new, he in fact had
authorized Person three to serve as an anonymous source in
(28:49):
news reports regarding an FBI investigation concerning Person one, all
in violation of eighteen USC. Section ten to one Perenze
Prins two. That's the line to Congress count. And then
you have the same facts serving as a basis for
count two, obstruction of a Congressional preceding eighteen USC.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Section fifteen oh.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Five, Honor about September thirty, twenty twenty Eastern District of Virginia,
Defendant James Comy, etcetera, did corruptly endeavored to influence, obstruction
and impede the do and proper exercise of the power
of inquiry under which an investigation was being had before
the Senate Judiciary Committee by making false and misleading statements
before that committee. So you've got the lie and then
(29:33):
you've got the obstruction of Congress, the two charges stemming
from the same facts, each carrying I believe up to
five years.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
So where does it go from here?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Three or three someone three eight two five five takes
d an five seven, seven, three nine. What I don't
know just sitting here, right. I do catastrophic injury and
death work. I don't do criminal defense. So sitting here,
I can't reel off the top of my head the
case precedence for these kind of prosecutions, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
But did Comy lie to Congress?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You know, just sitting here watching the video of that appearance,
sure seem like a lie to Congress. But now within
the case law, you know, is there are there some
cases out there that require something more than just what
we can all watch in that video. That's what I
don't know just sitting here, But I'll be finding out
(30:27):
about that overnight. And so if that's the case, what
more is out there to come?
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I mean, you have so many dirty, dirty actors involved
in this coup attempt. The question is did their dirty
acts violate any particular criminal statutes? I mean, you know,
and I'm proud of myself for saying it while it
was unfolding that James Comy was leading a coup attempt.
Now it appears that the only bad conduct that may
(31:00):
have crossed the line criminally, you know, was this line
of Congress. So the point being that not all bad conduct,
not all horrific conduct violates a criminal statue. And so
my working assumption had been that Comy was smart enough
to be able to steer through those big, gaping holes,
but maybe not on this one. So and then we'll
(31:23):
see who else, right, because one thing that's clear is
that the Trump DOJ if the evidence is there and
somebody violated the law, they're not going to be deterred
by the person's lofty title. Now, I hope that doesn't
slip into bringing charges where they otherwise would not be brought.
And I know that's hard on a human level, right
because President Trump was subjected to all these horrors that
(31:46):
would have destroyed him and you know, in many ways
his family and so who can blame him for wanting
to even the score. But for this nation, yeah, we
don't want to become a banana republic. So if they've
got the goods, they got the evidence, well it should
bring the arches and they should go prosecute and convict.
And if they don't, then they should we'll find out together.
(32:06):
Sure look like a lie to me just as a
layman there Ryan watching that video.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
So we'll see what the defense is.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Well, do you think there's gonna be public comment from
call me on this.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
We'll go on to me fascinating to see.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I mean, he seemed a little nuts slightly, all the
Taylor Swift stuff and everything else.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Is there a Taylor Swift not to make light of this?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Is? Is there a.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Taylor Swift song that would best apply to his defense?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
There could have been a promo right there.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Yeah, And I will say, I'm gonna make this prediction.
James Comy will be on Jimmy Kimmel Live to talk
about it.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
HM, that would make sense. And there's a bit of
a resemblance there too, maybe not in height, but what
Taylor Swift song? Because it was James Comy, remember, just
weeks ago decided to refer to a Taylor Swift song
during a video where he sounded as if maybe visited
(33:01):
Colorado and partook of what is now legal on a
state level.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
I was going to ask who celebrates Taylor Swift's catalog
more James Comy or you.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I've got to tell you that the Taylor Swift thing
with me has always been a father daughter thing, and
I do like I do like some of her music.
But if you, if you were to look Kelly just
had my phone to order the pizza. If you were
to look in my phone, I guess I guess that. Well,
she'd be welcome to you know, no monkey business in there.
But she doesn't get that reference.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Does she?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Gary Heart? I got it, but no.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I was just going to say how much Taylor Swift
would you find? And then I realized you'd probably find
every song she's ever done. Because when my daughter and
I are driving together, you know, we'll take my phone
and we'll play Taylor Swift. We've been going to her
concert since Caroline was let me do the mass ten eleven?
Did I ever show you that picture of the first
Taylor Swift concert? I took Caroline to look like a
(33:59):
high school gym, right, It wasn't a small look.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Like that kind of set up. And yeah, so the
lyrics don't really fit.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
But I will say one word that's probably going through
his head right now is red.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
M oh. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
So what Taylor Swift song will be the theme of
his defense? And which song would the prosecution pump up
on its way to that trial?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
You think there'll be a deal.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
No, you gotta part of doing this is to make
it very public.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, No, I'm with you. I don't think there will
be a deal. I think this isn't all or nothing.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
So now we'll follow up on that Taylor Swift thing tomorrow.
So I'm probably the only person who wants to Ryan
tremendous job is always Kelly human sunshine. On top of that,
today a great pizza from Anthony's, which we fully paid for.
By the way, that's not a trade. Join us tomorrow
on The Dan Kapla Show.
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