Dan Caplis Show - Kristi Burton Brown Hosting - Hour Two- 12-29

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the second hour the Dan Kaplas Show tonight.

(00:02):
I'm Christy Burton Brown. Thanks for joining in, and remember
that anytime during the show you can call in three
zero three seven to one three eight two five five,
or you can text your thoughts to Dan at five
seven seven three nine. We were talking in the last
hour about the Minnesota fraud scandal and how an independent
journalist his name is Nick Shirley, uncovered a lot of this.

(00:23):
He got eighty million views very quickly, and now I
think it's over one hundred million views on his video
exposing a lot of the fraud and how he uncovered it.
But I think one of the most interesting points about
this whole scenario is that there are whistleblowers inside Minnesota's
own Department of Health and Human Services who say that

(00:44):
they actually uncovered the fraud, specifically in the Somalian daycare
network years ago up to six years ago. In twenty eighteen,
one whistleblower in particular said that he cited a figure
of one hundred million dollars in fraud and said that
El Shabab, which is a terrorist group in Somalia, was

(01:05):
being funded with the money. He said, I let people
know about this. I reported it, and the governor did nothing.
And the government of Minnesota, and again Tim Walls was
the governor at the time, did absolutely nothing. And so
I think these are more layers that continued to get uncovered.
Was this fraud just sitting out in play in sight

(01:26):
with whistleblowers continuing to report it, and even Tim Walls
with another statement out today, I think saying, oh, well,
I asked the legislature for more authority to respond aggressively,
Like you're the governor. These are whistleblowers in your agencies
who are uncovering this supposedly up to six years ago,

(01:48):
but you needed the legislature to give you permission to respond.
This is just gonna get worse as it continues on
because you could only cover your role in such a
rampant fraud for so long until I think all the
layers get peeled back. And I'm not sitting here saying, oh,
Tim Walls, you know absolutely knew about all this fraud

(02:09):
and purposely allowed it to continue. What I'm saying is
there were absolutely warning sides and reports and at the
very like giving him the most benefit of the doubt,
he at the very least turned a completely blind eye
to it and let it continue under the guise of
welcoming the Somalian community as our neighbors in Minneapolis. And
we wouldn't want to do any extra investigations into what
they're doing with taxpayer money, because you know, it sounds

(02:32):
like the nice liberal thing to do to just leave
them alone and let them run their own community. But
we'll see how involved was he, what did he know,
how much did he refuse to do? How much were
his hands tied by a legislature that just wouldn't let
Tim Walls crack down on all of this. I want
to play some clips for you all actually on this.
There is the independent journalist Nick Shirley who says that

(02:53):
Tim Walls can't actually claim ignorance. Let's listen in to that.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
You said that, I believe you just said. His name
is David has been researching this for years, in your
experience or in your opinion, just spending the day you
spent out there checking this down. Is there any way
that this hasn't reached.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
The governor of Minnesota, Tim Walls, I mean, you know,
take a side, ongoing litigation or what have you. But
is there any way that he could claim ignorance on this.
Just in your experience over this investigation.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Oh, it's so obvious. If you're living in Minnesota, you
have to raise your eyebrows and think what's going on
every Literally, if you drive around Minnesota, around Minneapolis, you'll
see the daycare centers, autism centers. You will then see
transportation companies that have snow piled up as if they
haven't moved in months. And then you also go into
buildings where they'll be twenty health their companies fourteen and

(03:48):
twenty two the video that I published on x and YouTube.
So it is like a kindergartener could figure out that
there is fraud going on.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Well, the governor of Minnesota is certainly not a kindergartener.
He did act like that a few times on the
stage with Kamala Harris. But clearly this is if you
give any care whatsoever to finding out where the money
is actually going. According to Nick Shirley, it's very very
simple and easy to find out. One of the particular
examples that I thought was very stunning. It's called the

(04:19):
Safari Restaurant. It's a place in Minnesota, and they have
well I don't think they actually call it the Impossible Menu.
But there's a graphic called it the Impossible Menu that
shows the math behind the fraud at this restaurant. And
so they claimed that they were feeding people under feeding
programs the government gives money to and they build eighteen

(04:42):
thousand meals per day to the government, and it was
federal government payments. Specifically, it was paid to them every
single one, every single time without verification. And the actual
reality of this Safari restaurant, actual capacity of the establishment
thirty five seats, and they said they were feeding eighteen

(05:06):
thousand meals a day. Uh, that just shows it incredibly
high level of incompetence to let something like that happen.
I mean, I mean, just think about it. If you're
the government at a single restaurant is claiming to provide
eighteen thousand meals a day, you've got to think that
maybe you should go check up on that and see

(05:27):
if it's even feasible or possible. If you checked up
on it at all, went and visited, like, wow, let's
see what this place is doing. Eighteen thousand people being
or meals being served a day, and then you go
and find that they have thirty five seats like it
is incredibly astounding, I think when you look into all
the details. Also the rate at which autism payments is

(05:51):
just built under medicaid, I think. But Samali and children
in particular were diagnosed with autism at very high levels.
I think one in sixteen of them were diagnosed with
it times the state average, which also should ring some
bells among government officials. Why is what particular community having
four times the amount of autism? Like is this real?
Is this problem or is this fraud going on? But

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the the millions of dollars ever, just exponentially increased every
year over the last I believe it was five to
six years of autism medicaid payments, paying parents and organizations.
And then when you really go down the line and
all the layers of this which you find out is
that a lot of this money was being rerouted to
Somalian organizations. One of them, a lot of people believe

(06:37):
is the terrorist organization else for Bob, but also just
other enterprises in Somalia and other organizations and people back
home in Somalia. We're getting all this US taxpayer money
and those are some of the layers they're still uncovering
exactly where did this money go, how is it transferred,
how is it collected, how much of it stayed with
Somalians who are in the US, and how much it
went out of the country and back to Somalia. So

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more to hear, for sure. I do think this clip
also from Rep. Congressman Tom Emmer talking about Nick Shirley
and how he was able to find more fraud than
the government of Minnesota. I find this to be a
very informative clip as well.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
And we've got two major issues going on in addition
to just the fraud. One millions of dollars of this
fraud has been shipped back to Somalia to a known
terrorist group, Alice Jabob. And two we've got all kinds
of whistle blowers now that are coming forward and if
what they are saying is real and can be document
and what they're saying is they told Tim Walls about

(07:38):
the fraud when it was happening, and he not only
ignored them, he retaliated against him. I'm telling you, Molly,
if that's accurate and it can be proven, Tim Walls
needs to be held accountable. Everybody in his administration needs
to be held accountable. This guy now is scrambling to
make it look like he's doing something. Two weeks ago
he created a position with a guy to investigate fraud.

(08:00):
Years too late, Timmy.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
So in seven years, he couldn't find the fraud that
the independent journalists found in like a day of actually
just going on the ground in Minneapolis and going to
these so called child care facilities, going to these so
called you know, restaurants that are serving thousands of meals.
Seven years is how long whistleblowers say that Governor Tim
Walls and his administration knew about this. I believe Christy Nome,

(08:23):
who's the head of the Department of Homeland Security, has
DHS on the ground right now in Minneapolis, knocking on
the doors of these childcare centers, these restaurants, looking into them,
seeing if the whistleblowers were right, seeing if Nick Shirley
was right. But then they've also already started charging a lot.
I believe ninety three people have been charged so far,
and I think sixty have already been convicted. And then

(08:47):
I think eighty some out of the ninety three are Somalian,
which also means that there's other people involved. They're not
all one hundred percent Somalian. It's just happening in that
community specifically. But we'll see what happens to Governor Tim
Walls himself. Very interested to see like really how deep
he is in this and if he's culpable and criminally
liable at all for anything that went on. I'm Christy

(09:07):
Burton Brown. You're on the Dan Kapla show. Calling over
the break three oh three seven one three eight two
five five or text Dan at five seven seven three
nine to the Dan Capalis Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
Thanks for tuning in and discussing the Minnesota fraud scandal
with us on the show today, and we'll see how
many states it extends to. We'll see if Governor Tim
Walls ends up with any criminal liability himself. And then

(09:31):
of course we've also talked about the Colorida legislative session
coming up in just over two weeks on January fourteenth,
some issues to watch out for, some to potentially expect,
and one thing that sort of bridges the gap in
some ways between the legislative issues we've talked about what
they should be fixing and dealing with and the Minnesota
fraud scandal is actually an announcement from the Colorado I

(09:54):
think it was an Apartment of Transportation recently announced that they
were canceling or revoking over two hundredmercial driver's licenses. And
this is after a couple of things happened, the most
significant of which was a threat from the Transportation Secretary,
President Trump's cabinet member Sean Duffy, and he said that

(10:14):
Colorado would lose millions of dollars in federal funding if
they didn't conform their commercial driver's license standards to federal standards,
like this is something every single state is supposed to do,
and if you expect to get continued transportation funding from
the federal government, there are certain requirements, you know, fairly
reasonable to say, hey, there's requirements for commercial driver's licenses.

(10:37):
Most of these commercial drivers like cross state lines because
they're transporting products, and semi trucks like across state lines,
and so the federal government knew that for years Colorado
has not been following federal standards, and in particular, a
piece of this is because Colorado is a sanctuary state,
and so they don't look into the immigration status of
people who are our drivers. You might say, Okay, why

(10:59):
does that even matter? Who cares what country they're from
if they can drive a truck, they can drive a truck.
Here's a big part of the problem. A number of
the accidents or wrecks that have been caused by commercial
drivers over the last few years has been because some
of these drivers were illegally in the country and can't
read English signs on the road and don't understand the

(11:20):
training that they're supposed to have to be a successful
safe commercial driver. So it's not just like, oh, well,
we're you know, we're targeting these poor illegal immigrants who
are excellent in safe drivers. Know the fact that they're
illegal immigrants and in some cases can't speak English and
can't get the right kind of training is making them
dangerous on the roads to citizens of Colorado. So this

(11:42):
is where Colorado sanctuary state laws, you know, cross the
line between like being a welcoming state and letting everyone
come here who wants to be here, and not agreeing
with the federal government and actually endangering our own citizens.
This is one of many ways that Colorado has crossed
that line and chosen to side with people who are
unlawfully in our state, in our nation, instead of doing
their job and taking care of citizens and keeping our

(12:04):
communities safe. So finally, a federal threat to take millions
of dollars in transportation funding away from Colorado woke up
the Department of Transportation and they said, oh, okay, I
guess we will cancel and revoke. I think it was
about two hundred and sixty two commercial driver's licenses, because okay,
they really don't comply with federal standards. And I don't
know all the details of exactly how they didn't comply

(12:26):
with federal standards, except that some of them, certainly, if
not all of them were given to people in the
country illegally, which does not match up with federal standards.
And that leads me to something I did want to
make sure you'd heard about. I work for an organization
called Advance Colorado. I'm the executive vice president over there,
and we submitted our signatures for our second ballot measure

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on the day after Christmas, on December twenty sixth. And
this is what I mentioned earlier in this show that
would edit I guess you could say Colorado's sanctuary state laws.
Of course, you know there's a lot of change that
should be made to Colorado sanctuary state laws. But when
you're going to the ballot, you actually have to propose
a measure that the majority of people are going to

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agree with, and so this one that we're proposing would
keep Colorado safer, and a majority of Colorado's do agree
with it. What this measure would do is say, when
we are talking about people charged with a violent crime
or a repeat felony, law enforcement is required to make
a report to the Department of Homeland Security if they

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discover that the person being charged with a violent crime
or repeat felony is in the country unlawfully. So basically,
if you have an illegal immigrant who's committing violent crimes
here in Colorado, they should be turned over to the
federal government to be deported fairly. Common sense. Most people
agree with it, And if you question, do most people
actually agree with it? I'm going to read you three
quotes from Democrat congressman in Colorado that I think will

(13:52):
drive the point home that that Colorado is so out
of touch by not having this exception in our current
sanctuary state laws. Before where I read you the quotes,
not only does Colorado not have an exception in allowing
law enforcement to report to the Department of Homeland Security
when we're dealing with violent criminals and repeat fallons who
are here illegally. They actually fine law enforcement officials up

(14:14):
to fifty thousand dollars a person if they choose to
proactively report someone who is dangerous to the federal government.
So that's how far Colorado is. We're so far out
of step that even California, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut
have exceptions that you can proactively report when we're talking
about violent criminals, but Colorado decided not to allow it.

(14:35):
So here, I'm going to read you a quote from
Congressman Jason Crowe. He says, nobody disputes that if you
have violent criminals on the streets, we should detain those
folks and if they're unlawful, deport them. Congresswomen Diana to
Get quote, everybody believes somebody convicted of a crime, and
also people who are a threat to national security should
be deported. Congresswoman Britney Peterson quote, there isn't a person

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who doesn't support making sure there's a process in place
to deport convicted violent criminals. So, and I could go on.
There's an entire list of quotes from Denver Mayor Mike Johnston,
Governor Jared Polis, Attorney General Phil Wiser, like the list
goes on a Kamala Harris for that matter, Gavin Newsom, JB. Pritzker,
all these like potential presidential candidates from the Democrats across

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the nation saying yeah, hey, there really should be an
exception when we're dealing with violent criminals and repeat falons.
So that is what the ballot measure that we will
see if it qualifies in about a month. But that's
what it's That's what he would do is make this
very important agreed upon exception to Colorado sanctuary state laws. Okay,

(15:43):
if you have thoughts about this or anything else, you
can call in three zero three seven one three eight
two five five And we actually have Harry online one,
so I'm gonna take his call. Welcome to the Dan
Kapla Show. Hey are you there? Oh, Carrie said your
name wrong? Are you there?

Speaker 5 (16:05):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Okay, great? Hi, I'm Christypherton Brown. You're on the Dan
Kapla Show.

Speaker 6 (16:09):
I got a question for you. I keep hearing Dan
talk about in other people. Oh, elections in Colorado are
so much better than everybody else. But I thought I
got unnoticed quite a while ago from Kevin Lundberg saying
that in twenty nineteen, Polis and the legislature or whatever
pass something that if someone got a public service, you know,

(16:33):
they registered for food stamps or something else, whether or
not they were illegal, they were put on the voter rolls.
Do you know if that's correct.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
So it's minor staity that if you get a driver's
license in Colorado, you're automatically put on the voter rolls.
But while people who are here illegally can get a
driver's license, they get a different type of driver's license.
So it's minor city that it does not apply to
their application, but to people who are citizens, you are
automatically registered when you go to the DMV. But I

(17:06):
am not aware of the rest of this. No, I
haven't heard of that.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
Okay, I thought they said any public service that you
applied for, which you know, they don't check to see
if you qualify for SNAP or qualify or I mean,
you know, if you're illegal. So if they're doing that
and they're putting those people on the roles, plus the
fact that we have good old Jenna on there who

(17:30):
doesn't care to really check the roles, oh sure, I
don't feel like our roles or are valid? Are very good? Well,
I think somebody doing that.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, and Carrie, I think, and we're about to actually
take a break I have to take, so I apologize.
Thanks for calling in, But I think what we do
have to do is we should require voter ID to
vote in Colorado. We should make changes that make it
a requirement to check people's status so that you know
if they're a real registered voter or not. Jenna Griswold's
made a ton of mistakes or errors, so I think

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there's a lot to fix in Colorado. While our mail
and voting system is a lot better than places like Pennsylvania,
we still have a lot to fix. So thanks for
your call. I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on the dan
Kapla Show. Send me your thoughts at text them five
seven seven three nine or call in over the break.
Welcome back to the Dan Kapla Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
I'm going to go straight to the phone lines and

(18:20):
talk to Dave. Thanks so much for calling in. Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 7 (18:24):
Thank you, Hey quick. The thing on the truckers number one,
an illegal alien here in the United States has already
broken the law by number one being here illegally. Yeah.
Number two they break the law again when they worked,
regardless of if it's doing you know, dishwashing, carpentry, or
truck driving. And three, you know the certifications that are

(18:46):
required of a truck driver. I've taken the CDL test
to Colorado. It's pretty intense, So I don't know how
it is that an illegal alien who can't read English
able to pass that cd alexand at the DMB before.
It's been my experience with Colorado DMB that over the
past thirty years they've been there have been several cases

(19:08):
instances of corruption within Colorado DMB where examiners were selling
driver's license not necessarily CDLs. They might be doing it now.
I don't know, it's been a while, but I know
for a fact that they were selling driver's licenses for
a while. So there again there's corruption and rot throughout
that whole system. And for them to come back and

(19:30):
try to defend that as we're picking on these people,
know we're enforcing the law and making it safe for
every motorist out there. Absolutely, we're removing these people number
one who should not be driving. Number two who should
not have ever been in the country to begin.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
With, right, absolutely, And I think it's pretty disturbing Dave,
that you know, it took a threat from the federal
government to get the Colorado to even do an internal
audit and say, oh, yeah, we've given away hundreds of
these CDLs then never should have been given and I
guess now we'll revoke them since millions is being threatened
to be pulled from us.

Speaker 7 (20:05):
And the other thing, too, is how many of those
people possibly I mean, I'm just going to the extreme, sure, since,
but how many of them should possibly be people with
terrorist inclinations who might be willing to use that CDL
to engage in terrorist activity a large you know bomb,
let's see.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Sure, well, I mean we don't know. Yeah, when we're
not following the system, we.

Speaker 7 (20:29):
Don't know who they are. Absolutely right, there's no verification
of their actual identity, right.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, exactly well, and especially the extent of sanctuary state
laws that have been passed in Colorado for the last
five years, it just continues to pull away ability from
government agents to question anyone and say, like, we'll prove
why you're here, who are you, where's your country of residence?
And yet somehow they knew where these two hundred and
I think of a sixty two people who they are,

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and the fact that they don't meet federal requirements. So
exactly there's a lot of mess going on.

Speaker 7 (21:01):
The other thing, on the ballot measures that you're trying
to get on the ballot. This spring a lot of
ale effort. It's great, it's what's needed. The only flaw
in that is if we get around it to where
law enforcement is now going to advise DHS that hey,
we've come across this person, this selling, this criminal whatever
it is, Yeah, who's committed this crime. Mainly notifying them

(21:26):
isn't going far enough. If the jail decides not to cooperate,
which what I mean by that is if they do
not say, hey, this person's been through the whole system,
they serve their time, they're going to be released on Tuesday.
If they don't tell DHS that they'll just release them
to the street.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Well, and so you actually bring up a good issue,
but I actually don't think that can happen because of
some certain constraints that we put into the ballot measure.
So it happens upon charging, not upon the completion of
their sentence. So it's actually you know before someone would
be released. Well, but the other piece of it too
is we limit it in time, Like we say, they

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have to figure out their status, and I think it's
within seventy two hours, so it's a pretty narrow amount
of time that they have to And again we have
like even the Denver mayor saying, oh, no, we want
to cooperate on violent criminals, and obviously they don't do
that right now, but saying that they want to. So
I think you have most law enforcement and jails around
the state, despite the state law, actually want to cooperate

(22:31):
on something like this but can't right.

Speaker 7 (22:32):
Now they do that. The thing is that DHS has
got a mechanism in place called a detainer notification, and
what that is is once DHS is notified, they put
it with the jail. So even if that person has
been charged but never convicted, once they're released, they that
would give DHS the opportunity or the notification that says, hey,

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we're going to let you know within twenty four hours
that this person is being released. If that notification never
goes out to DHS, they can still be released to
the street.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Oh well, sure, And I guess a.

Speaker 7 (23:08):
Thing that's got to be in place is that detainer.
They've got to accept and honor that detainer to call
them because I'll guarantee Denver is a prime example of it,
because Denver is notorious for it. Aliens, once they find
out that DHS has an interest in them, they will
drop the charges just to let the alien go. So,

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now the charges have been dropped by Denver DA's office,
the alien is now being released onto the street because
no notification is being given to DHS saying hey, all
charges have been dropped. This person's going to be released
to the street at X hour on next day.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Well, sure, and that has occasionally happened in Denver, but
like I actually don't think when you look at what's
happened in Denver, that's not the widespread problem in Denver.
With the widespread the bigger problem, I should say, I
know that it's widespread, But the bigger problem is when
someone actually has served their sentence and that's when Denver's
releasing them. That's when we have that whole like email

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situation come out where they email DHS, oh we're releasing
this person and then they release them in a parking
lot and the ice agents had to chase them down.
So it's actually on the other end of the scale. Basically,
after this person had been charged, had been convicted, had
served their time, and then they didn't really want to
let the federal government know. So this ballot measure is
getting ahead of it and saying like, no, we're not

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talking about the end after someone's already served their sentence.
We're talking about at the beginning, when you've already chosen
to charge them. And it is a different part of it.
And so it's the part that catches them early on.
And I think does what like some of the quotes
that I read all the Democrat congressmen and the governor
and the AG and everyone says, yeah, it's kind of
a no brainer that when we're talking about violent and

(24:50):
repeat criminals, they should definitely be taken out of the state.
So it is a different end of it that I
think solves that piece of the issue. There's so many
pieces we could solve, I think, but in a state
like Colorado, where ballot measures are actually like have to
be pretty narrow and pretty hard to get on, we
have to pick the pieces that are most likely to pass,
I think, and fix the bigger problems. Despite there's still

(25:12):
being more for sure.

Speaker 7 (25:14):
No, absolutely, And like I said, I'm not I'm not
trying to be too critical. I'm just saying through experience, Yeah,
what will happen? And you know, if you recall back
when Bill Ritter was the Denver Dason the Denver Day,
he used to monkey around with DHS back then, and
when they found out that DHS had an interest in

(25:34):
an alien, they dropt the detainer. They turn around, they say, oh, well,
well you know what, We're gonna move this. And I
know this for a fact. I know one case specifically, Yeah,
person charged with murder murder, they brought it down to
trespass on agricultural land that then becomes a misdemeanor. So
now DHS, his hands tied, is the same person alien.

(25:57):
Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, maybe he has. Now
he's no longer removable because he's been now charged moved
from a felony down to a misdemeanor.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, I mean dynastics. And to your point, there's a
lot of Democrats who love to play games with the system,
as we're seeing in Minnesota, as we're seeing in Washington,
as we've seen in Colorado. So I think you can craft.
You know, there's a lot of laws that you can
craft as close as you can. And if they want
to find a loophole, they're going to find a loophole.

Speaker 7 (26:24):
To your point, absolutely absolutely, But you know, I loud
your effort, really I do. I mean, this is there's
something that's got to get done. Hopefully we don't become
a California. Hopefully we don't become Minneapolis, you know, Seattle,
those type of things that we're on the verge of it. Yeah,
where we're going to have a systemic collapse of local
government if you know, we can't all agree that this

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is the law and we all need to follow the law.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yes, for the safety of citizens and a whole lot
of other reasons. Okay, well, thank you, Dave. I'm about
to take a break, so appreciate you calling in. All right,
all right, I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on the Dan
Kapla Show. If you'd like to talk, call in over
the break three oh three seven one three eight two
five five or text your thoughts to five seven seven
three nine. Start it with Dan. When we come back,
I'm going to play you something from Senator Fetterman from

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Pennsylvania criticizing his own party before the midterms, which are
happening next year. In twenty twenty six, I called the
dan Kapla Show for the last segment. I'm Christy Burton Brown,
and you should definitely know that you get to hear
Sheriff Steve Reims for the next two days on this show,
So make sure you tune in Tuesday and Wednesday to
get his take on the important issues, the news of

(27:36):
the day, and everything else he likes to talk about.
I don't know who you get on Thursday, but I'm
back on Friday, So tune in all week and call
in too to talk to any of us and give
us your thoughts. I always love feedback and conversation on
the dan Kapla Show. I know we talked a lot
about this year, like the Minnesota fraud, how far that

(27:57):
might extend. We talked about what to expect the legislature
coming into early next year. But I think one thing
that's going to happen next year that everyone knows about
is going to be focused on in the next few
months is going to be the midterm elections. I feel
like even the presidential election of twenty eight gets a
lot of attention already with people's thoughts on that. But
before we get there, we do actually have to hit

(28:18):
the midterms. I know Nancy Pelosi is, like you know,
talking on TV today about how she hopes for a
Democrat revival in the House and how the Democrats can
come back and win it. But I want to play
you two clips before we go today. One from Eric Swallwell,
who in my view is just one of the worst
politicians out there ever for a whole lot of reasons,
including his association with a Chinese spy. But that aside,

(28:41):
and I think he's still considering maybe running for governor
of California. Oh please don't. But he is talking about
what the Democrats will do if they win the House
and Senate. And then I'm going to play you a
contrasting view from Senator Fetterman from Pennsylvania. Acually, it's interesting
the different sides of the Democrat Party.

Speaker 8 (29:00):
Congersman, it sounds like you're saying that inherent contempt, holding
these officials in inherent contempt, or even the possible a
vote on impeachment of someone like Pambo Restricte funding, yeah,
or restricteam funding. It sounds like though that may not
happen until or if Democrats actually win the House in
twenty twenty six. Is that right?

Speaker 7 (29:20):
Yes, And so we have to telegraph that that's what
we are willing to do if we are given the majority.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
So an old, recycled idea of how to win in
twenty twenty six, let's just impeach everyone again? Like how
many times has that not actually worked? How distracting is
that from the real issues that the American public thinks
you should be solving at the federal level. But that's
Eric Swalwell's brilliant plan is let's just impeach everyone again.
I think Senator Fetterman is a little more maybe with

(29:47):
the facts and looking at the reality of the situation
a little more. So he went on CNN and here's
his perspective on what the Democrats should be doing for
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 9 (29:57):
Never going to change my party, but clearly we've lost
the argument. And now right now, I think it's entirely
appropriate to really be honest and just figure out why
exactly have we effectively lost two out of less three
cycles and a lot of the things, we've really kind
of really lost our connection with American voters in ways

(30:21):
and I think we can't just be well, Trump is
always wrong, or that we're going to set the country
on fire or whatever. That's just not true either, of course.
But you know, when I represent a state like Pennsylvania,
that keeps you honest and you always can't forget that
a lot of Americans happen to disagree with you, that
does not mean that they are fascists or now they

(30:44):
want to shred the Constitution.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Very different view from Congressman Eric Smallwell, and I think
a far more accurate one, saying, no, the constant narrative
that Trump is wrong, Trump is horrible, it's in pa
Trump like people as a whole are tired of that
kind of combative and especially when he got to the
end and he said, like just accusing people of being
fascist because they disagree with you, and like, oh, they
want to shred the constitution, they're ruining the democracy like

(31:10):
it just of course there's a few people who believe it,
of course, but for the most part, it just doesn't
ring true because there is something at our core. I
think that no matter what party you're a member of,
whether you're liberally, 're conservative, or somewhere in the middle,
we are all Americans, and I think a lot of
times when you hear a party or a politician that
could actually speak to that and be very true to
their principles. Like I'm extremely conservative, very far right, especially

(31:33):
a social issues, very very conservative. Anyone who knows me
knows that. But I think there is value in finding
the issues we can unite on and in calling out,
like the American side to all of us and say, like,
as Americans, as Coloradans, here are things we all want
for our children. Here are things we all want for
the nation that we're trying to keep. And so I

(31:54):
think that's actually where you know, I disagree with a
lot of its policy positions, but that's where centers Fetterman
I think gets it right for his party, and if
the Democrats were willing to listen to someone like him,
you know, it's a little new, it's a little different.
It doesn't fit the mold of what they've you know,
been basically ranting about and chanting for year after year

(32:14):
after year, Like they just let Trump really get in
their head and get to them, and ever since he
got on the stage, they've just you know, zeroed in
on I think a lot of hateful rhetoric, a lot
of name calling, a lot of how horrible he is,
and what they don't realize. I think that Fetterman is
getting to is there's issues that people care about, especially
these voters like in the middle and Colorado's notorious for

(32:35):
how that how many unaffiliated voters we have who don't
necessarily subscribe to either party, but they do care about issues,
and they do care about principles, and they do care
about solving problems and solutions, and I think, you know,
I hope the Democrats, of course, don't listen to him,
because I don't want to see them take back the
House or the Senate in the midterms, and I think
the Senate's gonna be a lot harder to take back

(32:57):
for them than the House. But I don't want to
see them listen to his advice. And there's no i guess,
real showing that they have any sort of propensity to
listen to him. They kind of push him as an
outlier of their party and don't tend to take his advice,
which I mean, hey, that's fine by me, But I
do think, you know, in general, there is some wisdom

(33:18):
to what he's saying about politics in general that We
need to get away from just always saying like the
other side is wrong, because they're wrong, because they're horrible,
because they're name calling, and I want to show the constitution,
want to ruin the government. Like most people don't run
to be in the government to ruin the government and
direct the government. Most people run because they think they

(33:40):
can make it better. And I think if we accepted
that as a premise and just said their way of
making it better is wrong, I'm going to disagree with
our methods. I'm going to disagree with their policies. I'm
going to vote for or go run for office because
I see a better path forward, instead of criticizing their
motivations that I think that is what a lot of

(34:00):
young people in America today are sort of, you know,
pushing against in politics. It's why they don't want to
be involved in politics. It's why some of them aren't
excited to vote. It's why when I read essays from
high school students for some scholarship evaluations, they constantly talk
about the lack of civil discourse, the lack of unity,
how everyone's after everyone else. And then the problem is
then they get disengaged from actual issues where we need

(34:23):
them to look at it, we need them to help
solve it, and we need them to vote for the
right people. So I think there's a big reason that
that kind of rhetoric really needs to be toned down
and avoided because we're just pushing good people out of politics,
and we need people to vote and to stay involved.
So anyways, some with them there for both sides of
the aisle. From John Fetterman, I'm Christy Burton Brown. You'

(34:43):
vent on the dan capla's show. Thanks for letting me
close out one of the final days of the year
with you and tune in tomorrow and the next day
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