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October 28, 2025 35 mins
Dan and Ryan debate the virtues and vices of Halloween candy to be handed out this Friday.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
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single day on your favorite podcast platform. It's starting to
feel a little more like fall should warm up nicely
for the kiddos on Halloween. What is the proper age

(00:21):
cutoff for trick or treating? That's something I've struggled with
off and I haven't reached it.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Three oh three seven one three A two five five
text d A N five seven seven three nine. I
don't think there should be one. I think you're giving
up at that point when you say I'm too old
to trick or treat.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
That's a state of mind. That's deadly.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I mean, right around the corner. Just check yourself into
a nursing home.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
What we know about you, Dan is you take this
very seriously, Mike, in terms of the distribution of candy,
having full sized candy bars at the capitless abode.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
So the kiddos in that neighborhood are lucky. Let me
lifetime goal, my friend, daftime goal. I mean you thought
about this going back to when you were a little kid.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
I'mlessly one of my first memories trick or treating is
someday if I get a good job, I mean, yeah,
full sized candy bars, and I love it, you know.
And my wife, who's the most generous soul in the
face ear, she looks at me like, are you nuts?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
You know? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
And but yeah, and so come over to the house
tonight and we got them all stacked up and getting ready.
Word gets out in the hood. And I know there
are some other people who do it, but.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
For me, it was middle school and I thought I
was a little late, so I went trick or treating.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I think all the way through eighth grade.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
I was like fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
But now I think about it, Dan, with all the.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Distractions that kids have and the online bullying, the social media.
If a high school student's out and the worst thing
they're doing is they're trick or treating. As long as
we're in a costume, you got to put some effort
into it.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, don't just know. Yeah, we're not going for that.
But I think it's it's wholesome.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
And if they want to go trick or treating, I
think that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
And what I love and all the costumes are great, right,
But I love is people move away from the gore,
right and just kind of the creative costumes. Yeah, I
was coming back. I think I.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Had one of the kids out.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I was coming back to our house and I saw
like this group of teenage boys and they're coming away
from the house and they were all excited, and I
see it's the full sized bars. And they walked past
me and I hear one to say to the other, hey,
did you see that blank? And he used an acronym
for an attractive attractive mother.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Oh well, boy, almost ended the full sized bars because
that's st that's what attracted them to.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
The house to begin with.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
And then they discovered I have an amazing wife, you do?
But yeah, no full size bars come on over three
at three seven three eight two five five d an
five seven seven three nine. The Great State of Texas
Republican Attorney General has just sued Thailand All Attorney General
Ken Paxton sues Big Pharm of manufacturers for deceptively marketing

(02:51):
Thailand all the pregnant mothers despite knowing dangers to on
born children.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
So question for you among many today, is should.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Colorado joel that lawsuit? Three or three seven one three
A two five five the number text D an five
seven seven three nine.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
I have not investigated this scientifically. I haven't talked to experts.
I don't know whether Thailand all causes autism or not, right,
But what I will say is I do know from
more than forty years of doing it, that the right
lawsuits make the world safer. That's simply a reality. And
if you're gonna sit there and count on the legislature
to make the world safer, give me a break.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Because because pig companies buy.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Legislators right, so no jury's doing the right thing in
the right cases make the world safer.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Will this be one of those? We'll find out together.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
I do want to get your initial reaction to it,
your initial reaction to the lawsuit three H three seven
to one three A two five five the number text
d A N five seven seven three nine. So let
me give you a quick take and that and then
we got twenty other things to talk about today, but
I'll give you a quick take on this one.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
And this is the press release from the Attorney General's
off can Paxton ensue Johnson and Johnson and ken View
for deceptively marketing thailand All to pregnant mothers, despite knowing
that early exposure to Thailandoll's active ingredient leads to a
significantly increased risk of autism and other disorders. Quoting the

(04:17):
Attorney General, big Pharma betrayed America by profiting off of
pain and pushing pills regardless of the risk.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
These corporations lied for decades, knowingly.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Endangering millions to line their pockets, said Attorney General Ken Paxton. Additionally,
seeing that the day of reckoning was coming, Johnson and
Johnson attempted to escape responsibility by illegally offloading their liability
onto a different company. By holding Big Pharma accountable for
poisoning our people, we will help make America healthy again.

(04:49):
So you know, to me, one of the great shifts
I've seen over time is there was a time not
too long ago, it seems like maybe a pre Trump
or a decade or so ago, when there seemed to
be a dogma of the Republican Party that lawsuits are
bad and big corporations were great. And I think the

(05:12):
election of Donald Trump one of the many lasting gifts
and benefits to the country from that election, is that
dogma is really breaking down, really breaking down. I think
a lot of people started to understand crony capitalism, started
to understand that, yeah, hey, a lot of corporations are
tremendous citizens, tremendous corporate citizens of our state and country

(05:35):
and provide a tremendous service or product and great jobs
for people. And yeah, you got some corporations, they are
shining stars, and that's a beautiful thing and we're lucky
to have. You've got some other corporations that lie and
cheat and steal and kill, and you need lawsuits to
help control them because the legislature is not going to
control them.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
And so it's great to see.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
A Republican attorney general stepping up like this three or
three one, three eight, two five five text d A
N five seven seven, three nine. And again, I don't
know the merits of that particular case, but I'm gonna
find out in a hurry. And I'd be very surprised
if the Republican Attorney General of the State of Texas
would be in that case if they didn't have some

(06:17):
pretty good science behind them. But it will be challenged
you can beat having litigated big pharma cases. Oh my goodness,
what an adventure those are. And but I'm very proud
of the ones that we've done, just very proud of that.
And in the end, when those cases work out the
right way, you know, you can put your head on
the pillow knowing that some lives are going to be saved.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
That's that's good stuff. Dan. Uh do you give the
court sized box of Whoppers? What? Now?

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Whoppers are malted mouth balls? That's correct, Okay, not my favorite.
What do you mean by court Does it come in
actually theater?

Speaker 4 (06:55):
Now the ball?

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Now you're challenging me, uh huh, yeah, because no, we are.
We have full size bars. It's a somewhat limited variety
to kind of what I like in childhood memories and stuff.
So we like, well, we're Hershey bars of course, greases, rieses,
so big Reese's cups. My wife loves those awful sour things.

(07:21):
What are they sower patch kids? No, No, I'll think
about it.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
They come in like a little roll. We get some
of those. We get our candy.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, I'm really sweethearts, Yeah, like SweeTarts there delicious.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah. My mom's favorite bar was butterfinger. Okay, so we
get very solid. Yeah, you be a Nestle's crunch bar.
Those are solid. Yeah, man, I don't like a Nestle's
crunch bar. There's something wrong with you.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
I always tell the kids, if I was going to
die tomorrow, I'd sit here and I'd eat fifteen Nestle's
crunch bars.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
And they look at me like, so that's your favorite?
That was fifteen Nestle's crunch bars. Yeah, I have to
say so anyway.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
And Lord knows what chemicals truly, probably only the Lord
knows what chemicals are in there.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well, not after our junior gets done with it. I
mean we could have. We could have and pray this
never happens.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
We could have back to back nuclear wars for like
fifty years or so, and when they finally dig under
the rubble, pull out the nesty crunch bar, take off
the label and eat it, right, it probably would not
have changed at all. Unaffective ones today brightly unaffected, but
text or Dan, I'm with you on the candy bars.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Is a kid?

Speaker 1 (08:31):
I always remembered the homes that handed out full sized bar.
See now I always do it. It's not that expensive
if you buy him from Sam's Club.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
That is so great to hear that I wasn't the
only kid who remembers that. I remember.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
I remember the guy when I was parking cars in
the seventies who gave me a five dollar tip. I mean,
I remember, like it was two minutes ago. Coolest guy
in the world gives me a five dollar tip for parking.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
You remember stuff like that. And I remember the guy who.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Cheated me, who I caddied for and said, and I
caddied for so many great people who treated me very well,
But I remember the guy who cheated me.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, it's funny how you remember that stuff.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Right. It's not the five bucks. It's not that they
cheated me out of ten bucks. It's the respect, or
the lack there of. And I've always thought that's what
tipping is really about. It's just about the respect. And
you can always know in almost every deal, right that
the person you're tipping, that person is working hard for

(09:33):
the money and it means something. But above all, I
think it means respect more than at least it always
did to me when I used to work for tips.
The respect part, and I needed the money, Don't get
me wrong, or I wouldn't been out there ten below
in Chicago parking cars. If I didn't need the money,
but it was a respect thing. You could text us
d An five seven seven three nine. I was listening

(09:56):
to some of your show on the way in Ryan
as I always tried to do, Oh thank you and this, yeah,
this house shutdown business. It's going to be interesting to
see how that lands. Because the Republicans have them right
where they want them, because this whole thing has been
just typical left to idiocy. But they got them right
where they want them.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
But here's the deal.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
These food stamps are about to run out on November first,
So you've got all these very real people who are
going to be hurting very very badly. And we know
the Democrats do not care about them. I mean, that's obvious, right,
They just don't care about them. We know Republicans do care.
Republicans do care about humanity. Republicans acknowledge that we're all

(10:38):
created by God. Republicans acknowledge basic human dignity. Republicans acknowledge
the importance of each human life.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
And this is the most shocking thing to me.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
What I became a Republican after being a Democrat for
years is it's as a party.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's the Republican Party that has true empathy.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Now, I know a ton of Democrats, including one I
sleep with, the only one I sleep with, the only
person I sleep with who has tremendous empathy. All the
Democrats in my family have tremendous empathy, but they belong
to a party that has zero empathy and that does
not view individual human life as having any inherent value.
And that's why, as long as the Republicans don't screw

(11:23):
it up royally, Republicans are going to roll and the
Democratic Party is going to, you know, kind of fade
away because they no longer value individual human life. And
that's because, in large part now the Democrat Party is
controlled bi secularists.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
They just either don't believe in God or it's irrelevant
to them.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
And so when you don't value an individual human life,
that affects so many different policies, including right now, as
we head toward November, feet and a whole lot of
people not going to have the basics they need because
food stamps aren't going to be there. So what do
you think the Republican should do about that? There's no
doubt in my mind the Republicans can play it the

(12:04):
way they've been playing it, which they have every right
to do, because this Democrat shut down is because of
the Democrats, and it's wrong. But a whole lot of
people are going to suffer, and we know the Democrats
aren't going to rescue them. Maybe I'll be proven wrong,
ran In fact, I think I predicted a week ago
this is all going to end when we get to
about November first, because you're going to have a lot

(12:24):
of people who are going to need those food stamps,
and the Democrats are going to want to deliver forms.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
So they don't lose those folks.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Maybe that analysis still holds, but the change in my
thinking has just been the realization that the Democratic Party
truly doesn't care about humans other than the Democratic Party
leadership themselves. All they care about is getting and keeping
power at any cost. Morality doesn't matter, right and wrong

(12:50):
doesn't matter. And I must really care about this because
I've never gone this long on a break.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
You're on the Dan Kapla Show.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
We're trying to figure that one out. You said that
very phrase that he worked hard for the money. Yes,
Harving cars and ten degrees below zero. Absolutely no.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
We were talking about a lot of things that led
us into talking about working for tips, and I was
making the point that I worked for tips for a
lot of years and I can still remember vividly the
people who tipped me well and the people who didn't.
But to me, though I desperately needed the money, it
was more about the respects. So, yeah, we're having that conversation. Yeah,
good tie. And they're always there. Sometimes you have to
look around three or four corners, but they are always there.

(13:36):
There are so many interesting stories popping this afternoon, including
this issue of Halloween and how old is too old
to trick or treat? And my premise is there is
no such age. It be a little awkward and I
do not want this around. Can I make it clear
on Aaron? Pass it along to the kids, you know,
once I have hopefully gone to the great you know,

(14:00):
trick or treat in the sky, I do not want
to be carried around in.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
My demise state.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Don't stuff me, don't don't pull a family vacation, don't
wheel me in a wagon around a trick or treat.
But until that day comes, I don't think there should
be any cutoff.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
I think it. It's a very very bad idea to
decide they're too old for anything based on age other
than maybe kindergarten.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Give you an example, Yeah, what if Colonel Kurt came
to your neighborhood he was trick or treating?

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I would love it? Are you freaking miscot? Are you
kidding me? I would love it.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
That would make me happier than anything i'd see at night.
We're always so happy when the little bitties come to
the door and all that, and then they love the
dogs and then the dog eats now.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Because you know, if a dog eats chocolate at his
bad it's not good. Don't do it good? Not good?
And they all little kids want to feed your dog
chocolate because they like the dog. But I would love it.
I can still picture Colonel Kurt in his full dress.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Or court at ball arena, sold out Nuggets playoff game
as they honored him as hero of the game.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
And again I rarely heard the arena of that lot.
I would love it.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
And people make such an an art talk about self
inflicted wounds. If you decided at this point you're too
old for anything other than creepy stuff, that you're too
old for any there's.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Some athletics stuff I gotta watch myself with.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Well, but you know what I mean when people just
sh I'm too old to trick or treat or I'm
sixty five, so now it's time to retire this. Yeah,
you and I self and simpatico Dane on the retirement thing,
because like, I think we're wired the same way, you
and me, Like what else would we do?

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Like you work, It's part of who you are. It's
what your passion is, you know, right, And it seems
to me.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
I don't mean to get all heavy here, but it
seems to me kind of a waste of the gifts
we've been given. If Okay, the calendar says X, so
I've been given the ability to do this. I'm gonna
stop doing it because the calendar says X. What about
the people who might benefit from that?

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Right?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
And then people say, well, man, you gotta take it easy.
You got to enjoy yourself. Listen, If you don't enjoy
your job, then you're crazy to keep doing it unless
you have no choice.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yeah, right, I agree.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
I feel very blessed to have a choice and no,
So that's the thing, Dan and Ryan, And there's a
very important story breaking on Fox, not earthshaking or anything,
but I want to get to it a second because
I think you'll find it interesting. Dan and Ryan, speaking
of candy Bar's the absolute best candy bar scene in
the movie is when Bill Murray held up and then
took a bite out of the feared baby Ruth at
the bottom of the swimming pool. It's no big deal,

(16:31):
Andy and Lafayette tremendous, tremendous cat is seen right there
from Caddyshack. Tremendous. Yeah, And that was That was the
movie Joe was born to. That was on the TV at.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Rose Hospital as Joe was delivered at ten thirty two pm.
Think in that scene that old lady faints when he
takes a bite out of the baby.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
Route though, there's so many greats, so many good and
it's a shame that it's a shame they ruined the
movie in the sense they had that one topless scene
that just made Caddy Shack liked it hard.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
For kid.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Well, I'm not going to lie to you about it.
I'm just talking about kids their parents watching the movie together.
They didn't have to do that.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
I think it's been shown on like over the year
broadcast television before and they would have cut that out.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, that's that's easily. Actually, that's smart.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
But so many great scenes and uh, something I can
just relate to so much because I've been told that
that movie was based on a Caddy competing for the
same Caddy scholarship that I won, and they sent me
to Colorado on this phenomenal scholarship called the Evans Scholarship.
I've told I don't know if it's true that Bill
Murray's brother, Ryan Doyle Murray was competing for the scholarship,

(17:41):
and that's where the idea for the movie came.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Correct and it just kind of blossomed from there and
all the talent that gathered around the movie, and you
probably know a lot of the backstory here, but a
lot of the other actors were a little miffed. In particular,
what's not Ted Night that's his name as a character.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, yeah, Ronnie smells right.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Ronnie Dangerfield's character and his own persona as an actor
just overshadowed everybody else on the set. He showed up
and he owned the place, and that's not surprising, but
he makes the movie.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
He really doesn't it came across so well, but it
just hits so quick because I was Danny. I was
competing for the scholarship. My girlfriend at the time was Virginia,
who looked just like the girl in the movie. Similarities
ended with certain other developments. But yeah, if you haven't
seen Caddy Shack, please do. You might not want to
see it with your kids, at least not the uncut version.

(18:35):
But they've probably seen the uncut version. When we come back,
this big breaking Fox News story, major division within Ice
about how to proceed.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Lots of heads are rolling today. You're on the Dan
Kapla Show.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast, Robbie.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
But I know because I'm looking at their tech screen.
That's right, Dan and Ryan speaking of candy bars. The
absolute Oh no, that's a different one here.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Here it is Dan.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
You're dying, wish to not wheel you around in a
cart when you die? Reminds me of Joe DIFFI song
prop Me up beside the jukebox when I die and
to Ryan to play that for a Bumperor.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
That from the real Ralph. Suppose the fake route I've
never heard that.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
We don't want the fake Ralph and what the real one.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
You're a little surprised that we don't see more of that.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
In fact, I've never seen it at all, Just like
a human being stuffed after they pass away and then
you know they're propped up here there. Wouldn't you expect
there to have been some sort of business created to
do that some people who just wanted to stay around.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Well, you have really opened up Pandora's box on this,
because what is it the it's Mexico or it's one
of those cultures in Latin America with the Prey of
the dead or the Day of the Dead, and there's
been some movies dedicated toward that, and I don't know
if they we can create around bodies like that. For

(20:03):
did you now I sent you that earlier? Did you
watch that House Subcommittee Oversight Committee?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, and I do want to get to that. Well
that's pretty long but serious stuff.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, I do want to get to that because it's
what we've been saying all along, right is we didn't
have a president. He was not mentally competent, and now
that's all just being confirmed. But yeah, and I'm sure
there are some laws somewhere against it, but laws can
be changed I'm just surprised we've we just haven't seen
that industry arise. Would you have any desire just to

(20:33):
be like stuffed like a bear or something and propped
up in a bar?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
I think it's a bit more. But now Halloween's the
best time for this, I guess discussion. But you know
they had Vladimir Lenin on displaying a glass case for
how many decades?

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Right?

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah? Remember that?

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, well that's not a great example because he's, you know,
a communist dictator. But yeah, uh no, I think you know,
you do that with taxidermy when it comes to wild game.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
I'm familiar with that. But are you surprised we haven't
seen human TEXTI?

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Ermie, I pretty sure there happened. I mean, Mummy's going
back to ancient talk to you.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Know what I'm talking I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Okay, you walk into a bar somewhere in I seventy,
you're in the middle of Utah, and there's Bobby over
in the corner by the juke.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Wouldn't that be the freakiest, scariest blank you've ever seen? Yeah?
But I'm just I'm just surprised we haven't seen though.
But what culture would do that? I'm not ours, I hope.
I'm just surprised some people haven't done it as kind
of a gag. Now, listen, I wouldn't do it for
a million different reasons, starting with my faith. But I
ate just some people.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Speaking of which my friend, no comment, I want a
meeting today. How long have we worked together? You're eating
yogurt instead of peanut butter.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
I've eaten the same thing every day, don't we've worked together.
I've changed it up. Hold on, was that Amy's influence?

Speaker 1 (21:50):
No?

Speaker 2 (21:50):
No, no, it was.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
And I don't want to digress here, but that's thing
I have shared on air before that my amazing doctor
refers to me as a medical marvel, and I'm very
grateful for that.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
However, and I feel great. I mean I truly I
feel like thirty ish maybe nice.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
But every now and then, one of the things you
try to do preventive, right, Like you'll bring the car
in and you'll have a little stuff done. So yeah,
so I like to go through and I like to
have you know, these different checkup type things done, even
though I'm feeling great, and they do this check up
and you know, there's one of these heart scans, said
Dan you should probably stop eating the peanut.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Butter and start eating this yogurt during the show.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Really, well, what does pelpie as a hog? But peanut
butter is relatively healthy unless you.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Have a peanut. I think I just listened to.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
One of the great blessings of our whole family's life
has been this tremendous sports nutritionist we stumbled across, and
she just has great suggestions for everything.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
But she is sures me.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Kylie assures me that I am much much better heart
health with the yogurt than the peanut butter and apple
every day.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Kind of yo think she's wrong? No, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
I mean I always thought like peanuts were like the
good fat, the good kind of.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
You know, I'm going to have to double check with Oikos.
I've ever heard of that triple zero Oikos triple I
recommend yep. I think this is the first yogurt I've
ever eaten. I ate one cup the other day just
to make sure I've a well done pass away on air.
Much better for your performance on microphone too. Oh yeah,
the peanut butter and we've known that for twenty years, right,

(23:39):
but it just doesn't mix great with talk radio. Now, anyway,
here's this big story from Fox that I wanted to
pass along because it leads to it, I think a
tremendous question for folks. It'd be interesting to see if
there's a split in the audience or if everybody's on
the same side. ICE leadership shake up exposes growing DHS

(23:59):
friction over deportation tactics and priority Now here's the deal.
ICE chiefs all over the country, including according to Fox, Denver,
are being removed. They're being removed by the administration over
a split on whether to limit the deportations to people

(24:24):
who have committed crimes.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Or whether to just deport everybody here illegally.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
So there's apparently this big split within ICE, and lots
of high level heads are rolling. So here's what the
Fox story says. And then be interesting they see where
you come down on this. Three O three seven one
three eight two five five text d an five seven
seven three nine. A mass shakeup of US Immigration and
Customs enforcement leadership is underway amid growing friction inside the

(24:53):
Department of Homeland Security over deportation tactics and priorities. According
to force senior DHS officials, the overall effects ICE field
offices in at least eight cities and will replace many
senior officials with ICE, marking an unprecedented power shift inside

(25:14):
DHS and exposing sharp divisions over how far to go
up and go pardon me in ramping up deportations. The
officials told Fox News the changes are being driven by
competing camps within DHS, so I'd love to know which
camp you would be in. On the one side, our
borders are Tom Holman and ICE Director Todd Lyons, who

(25:38):
have advocated focusing on criminal.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Aliens and those with final deportation orders.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
On the other side, in this corner our DHS Secretary
Christin nom, Senior Advisor Corey Lewandowski, and Border Patrol Commander
Greg Bavino, who have pushed for a broader and more
aggressive approach targeting anyone in the US I legally. Two

(26:04):
senior officials described the mood inside DHS as tense and combative.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Wow, this is big.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
I think you and I might have some daylight here
in that I've been talking with John Fabricatory about this,
who knows it better than any other, and I do
believe you can provide. Maybe you give them kind of
the map you deport them. But you say, here's how
you come back legally and you don't get to jump
the line. There's a lot of people that are here

(26:32):
legally that did it the right way, that waited the
amount of time, that made the investment of time, money, effort, etc.
And I think, Yeah, if you're here illegally, you don't
have a right to be here, and you got to
get out and come back, come back the right way
and do it legally and get vetted and become an
American citizen and have that swearing in ceremony.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
I support legal immigration more than anyone, but that's why
I oppose illegal immigration or people that are here that
thought they could cut the line and they don't have
to follow the laws of our country. So I'm with
Christy no Home and Tom Holman and John Fabricatoria. Well,
but Tom Homan disagrees with you, does he know?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yes? Oh yeah. Tom Holman is.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
In the camp that wants to focus on criminally legal
agree with that, and those awaiting deportation orders Christy Noman,
corn Lewandowski are in the opposite camp. They want to
deport everybody here illegally.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
To me, it's you obviously target the violent criminals. I
think most people should be able to agree on that.
I'm with Holman on that. It's just if somebody is
here illegally. To me, Dan, this is the other side
of it. I feel bad for that person because they
are no doubt being taken advantage of by certain employers
and Democrats, et cetera. One that are using them for votes,

(27:42):
and then two that are paying them cut wages under
the table that are not on the books, that allow
them to have basically cheap and ventured servant labor rather
than treating them like full human beings with rights and
as American citizens.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
And that's what I would want.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
But I don't want people who cut the line, that
jumped ahead of people that did it the right way
to now suddenly have a pathway to citizenship mass amnesty
and they could just be sworn in as as citizens
that way.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
And we've got to hit this break. But when we
come back, let's continue this. Which camp do you fall
into the Tom Homan camp that says deport criminal ilegals
and those with deportation orders or the Christine Nome camp
that wants to deport everybody here illegally because Fox breaking
this big story. They say, lots of high level heads
are rolling in Ice, including the Denver director over this split.

(28:33):
So which camp do you want to see? When three
or three someone three eight two five five text d
an five seven seven three nine You're on the Dan
Caplas Show.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
And now back to the Dankampless Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Become and to America. Yeah, and so many have, including
my grandparents. Him one of those rare one Irish folks.
And that's been fun, lot of fun. But this is
a big story.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Fox News breaking the story and assuming it's accurate, major
split within Ice, lots of heads rolling like top ICE
officials in eight different states, including Colorado are on the
chopping block because of this big division. Tom Homan on
one side, Christin Noman on the other. Homan wants the

(29:21):
deportations to be of criminal illegals and those with final
deportation orders. Christine Ohman wants to deport everybody here illegally.
So that is the big battle within Ice. Which side
do you come down on? So a lot of text
on that. We're going to take text and calls as well.
We have a couple other topics going and those are
very fun, you know. The Halloween, some trick or treat

(29:44):
related stuff like how old there's too old. My premise
is literally this, literally there is no such age. As
long as you can fog a mirror, you should feel
free to trick or treat.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Is where I come down on that.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
And then of course full sized bars three or three
seveone three, eight, two five five text d an five seven, seven,
three nine. Let's get right to some of these texts.
Dan Ryan brought heavy hitter Dick Morris this afternoon. Good discussion. Obviously,
New York City is near a precipice. Thank you for
that report, Dan, target the criminal and those with orders,

(30:20):
but anyone that get caught in the net capturing those
are checked and process for hearings. But don't target those
just illegal. If they are hanging with those here illegally,
they're probably up to no good anyway. Interesting, we've had
several Texters say that same thing. Now, you just target
the criminal illegals, but if you come across others here illegally,

(30:42):
then deport them, is the view of a number of Texters.
This one just too long, very intelligent, Thank you, But
see if you can break that down for us. Dan,
you've hammered the marijuana issue for twelve years. Don't stop
hammering the gambling issue. This is disposable income that should
be going to savings, wrench care, and groceries. The difference
between the two, thank you, Texter, is I do believe

(31:05):
legalized gambling is hurting Colorado. I do in Coloradin's, including
for reasons you said, But I do not advocate reversing
that law because I don't think that can be our standard.
I don't think we can say we're going to outlaw
everything that hurts Coloraden's because at that point you'd be
outlining just about everything. But I think some things hurt

(31:28):
Coloradin's so badly that they should be outlawed, particularly if
they hurt children disproportionately, and legalize marijuana is one of those.
It's the same reason we don't have legalized math or
legalized crack cocaine.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Dan. My wife was born here, but she.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Has family members that have taken the time of dollars
to become US citizens. Others should not be allowed to
sneak into the country, but first go after the criminals
and or creating trouble. So now we have a different category,
which is deport everybody but wait on the others until
you're done with all the criminals, etc. I don't think
as a practical matter it can be that neatly divided up.

(32:06):
I agree, and again several textures have hit on it
that in the course of targeting criminal illegals often ices
then encountering a bunch of folks here illegally who have
not committed any other crimes.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
But that is in and of itself a crime.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Dan, you've broken a law to come in this country,
and if you've been existing and working and not breaking
the law, that's all well and good. But jeep deportum, Yes,
because you have to know. And I just put myself
in their shoes. If I was in any other country,
I know I'm living on borrowed time. I didn't do
it the right way, and if I get caught, you
know what you got me.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Listen, I get it.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Everything you say has very solid logic and reason behind it,
and there are many, many good people who.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Agree with you, probably the majority. I respect the heck
out of that.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
At the same time, though, does it matter to your analysis,
because it matters to mind that before twenty sixteen. Before
twenty sixteen, both parties were implicitly inviting people to come
to this country legally.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
I think you're kind of highlighting the divide between what
would be considered maybe the neo Khan George W. Bush
era Republican Party in the modern Trump version. I'll give
you one exam Ronald in the Great and he was great,
and that was one of the things that I would
quibble with. Yes, I agree, and you're not wrong.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
I'm just saying, can we agree both parties right before
Donald Trump took office, both parties were implicitly inviting people
to come here illegally. Now Republicans would vat And I
think we have to apply a different standard to everybody
who came in under Biden, because Biden, with the sport
of Polis and Mike Johnson and Hickenlooper and Bennett decided
no vetting.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Let me just give you one example of somebody that's
come over to the Trump side of things in this
perspective that was at one time.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
I think one of the.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
Group of eight kind of a neo con w era
maybe pro amnesty person. That'd be Marco Rubio, who's now
the Secretary of State. Oh yeah, listen.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
And I think any thinking responsible person their views on
this have evolved over the years because the situation has
changed over the years.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
A big starting point for me is, look at the
job I.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Do right, it's just helping people whose family members have
been killed or maimed on the roads. And a lot
of those cases involved people who have been killed or
maimed by people here illegally. So the starting point is
that a just society cannot justify that. So that that's

(34:36):
a big important starting point. Then you come down to
a lot of other considerations. In my mind, and I
want to get into more detail on this, because there
is a way to do this in my mind that
fulfills you know that the mission of a just society,
a just society that's going to protect its citizens.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
That is going to do it in a just and
humane way. There is a way to do that.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
I don't think it fits perfectly neatly into either of
these camps, the Homan camp or the Nome camp. If
you just joined us Fox News reporting big split nce,
lots of people being fired and replaced.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Tom Holman wants to.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Focus on criminally illegals and final deportation orders. Christy no
one wants to deport anybody and everybody here illegally, So
where do you come down on this? Three oh three
seven one three eight two five five text DN five
seven seven three nine doesn't make any difference in your
analysis that both parties before Donald Trump before sixteen invited

(35:41):
people in
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