October 27, 2025 • 34 mins
Leland Conway, co-host of 'Conway & Larson' on KOGO San Diego, joinsD an with his libertarian take on the Consitutionality of red-light cameras being installed in Thornton and throughout Colorado, and how good intentions are often followed by unintentional consequences infringing on our rights as Americans.
Dan disagrees and believes red-light cameras serve as both a deterrent for drivers running red lights in the first place and a safety mechanism for other law-obeying drivers.
Denver area police look to reduce deadly crashes with red light cameras
Dan disagrees and believes red-light cameras serve as both a deterrent for drivers running red lights in the first place and a safety mechanism for other law-obeying drivers.
Denver area police look to reduce deadly crashes with red light cameras
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Kaplis, and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
As you having a good Monday. Obviously getting cold out
there across the state today, but it is like the
end of October.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Still going to have a very pleasant Halloween, and that
is not the norm around here if you're new to
the state. Normally it's absolutely gorgeous. Then Halloween hits and
the kids just freeze their tails off, literally since many
costumes have tails three or three seven one three eight
two five five text d an five seven seven three nine.
Lots going on locally and nationally, but I always like
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to start with the stuff that I think is most
real to you today as we talk, and that's always
going to start with stuff that involves traffic and the roadways,
because good chance you're out there right now, good chance
it's pretty darn slow, and we all know that, fortunately,
your largest chance of being killed or god forbid, anybody
(01:04):
in your family is going to be on the roadways.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So that is all to me top priority.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It's also what I do for a living, this catastrophic
injury stuff, so I'm reminded every day of just how
people's lives are turned upside down in a heart piece.
So one thing that drives me crazy is all the
unnecessary carnage out there, because I get it that, hey,
if we're gonna have cars, there are going to be
some people killed on the roadway, and that's heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
But it's just baked into life.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It doesn't excuse negligence or recklessness, and that has to
be dealt with right but as a society, and then
in my own practice, it drives me out of my
mind is all this stuff that's completely unnecessary, and there
is so much of that, so much of that out there,
and so that's why we just talk about these different
idiotic things the Left does that just make our roadways
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so unnecessarily more dangerous, such as this goofy lane filtering
thing with motorcycles that they knew would turn into lane splitting,
and that's exactly what we have, and it's leading to
more carnage. Stuff like seeing the cyclists bicycles under certain
circumstances that we've talked about before here yeah, you don't
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have to stop at a step center red leg What
what idiot is some mortician cook that up? Give me
a break, But I want to talk to you now
for a second about red light cameras. Here's a setup
story from CBS four in Denver on some new ones
going in in Thornton. Then I want to get your take.
Should we have these things everywhere? Because disproportionately so much
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of the worst carnage occurs at intersection with people running
signs and signals.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Following developments around two dangerous intersections in Thornton and many
crashes due to people running lights. Thornton believes say over
the last fifteen months, there have been twenty three crashes
at eighty eighth Avenue and washing Hington Street, and thirty
three collisions at one hundred and twentieth Avenue in Colorado Boulevard.
Your reporter in Adams County, Gabrielle Vigal, spoke to police
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about their efforts to keep drivers from running those red lights.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
On these streets. It doesn't pay to be in a
big hurry.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Speed has not just taken the small light, he.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Really took a big piece.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
When he's a Christian, but it's also taken lives.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
My biggest thing is just honoring him the ways that
I can. That's what kind of helps.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Keep me saying.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
It was just seven months ago when a car hit
and killed thirty five year old Christians at the Maria
after an eighteen year old was accused of running a
red light at one hundred and twentieth Avenue in Colorado Boulevard.
The father forrest family have previously spoken with CBS Colorado
wanting more accountability on the roads.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
You know, it's unfortunate that we have individuals out here
that just really take life for granted in that way,
because you're putting not just you know, yourself in danger,
but that could have been anybody.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Now, it's these cameras that could be the ticket to
preventing crashes on two of Thorn's most notorious intersections.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
The hope for the intention is to get people to
not run the red light and therefore reduce the crashes.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
CBS Colorado followed along as crews installed sixteen cameras at
eighty eighth Avenue in Washington Street, which will be used
to detect drivers in any direction who run a red light.
This pilot program will also include cameras at one hundred
and twentieth Avenue in Colorado Boulevard, the same intersection where
Santa Manilla lost his life.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
We have to have a thirty day advertising period, and
then the first thirty days that these are operational they
will be issuing just warnings, and then after that thirty
day warning period then live citations will come out.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
But once these cameras behind me are up and running
and issuing tickets, people who do run a red light
here will receive a seventy five dollars fine in the mail,
which police say will go towards paying back for these
cameras in this pilot program and hopefully more cameras at
other intersections in the future.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
This is a civil panelty basically, so unlike if a
police officer wrote you a ticket and hand it to
you where there's points, a sign against your license and
everything else, these don't have that.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Deputy Chief Paul Hawkins says it's a price he hopes
will encourage drivers to take driving seriously and prevent crashes
here from becoming the norm.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
There's a lot of people who appreciate what they're for
and the intent, and would like to see them in
other places.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
If they were in Thorton. Gabriel Levidel covering Colin A.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
First, so what do you think should we have these everywhere?
All major intersections three oh three seven one three eight
two five five text DN five seven seven three nine.
Really happy to hear what they're doing in Thornton. I'm
very familiar with both of those intersections. The only gripe
I have with that is I think the ticket should
be higher. I think the ticket should be high because
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think about what we're talking about here. We're not talking
about somebody going six miles up with a speed limit
or something like that. We're talking about people who make
a decision to run a red light. Thank God that
what they're saying when they do that is they don't
care about your child's life, they don't care about your
wife's life, they don't care about your life. That they're
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just gonna run a red light and understanding the magnitude
of that risk, they are absolutely conscious that they may
kill somebody they're confident won't be them, because they're likely
to be the hitter and not.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
The hit e.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
And we all know so very often the killers they
walk away from these crashes because they're the hitter. But
why in the world wouldn't you find the hades out
of these people?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Don't you that? How much should that find be?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You tell me three h three seveone three eight two
five five text d A N five seven seven three nine, right,
how much should that find be? I'll tell you what
I think the fine should be. We're talking intersections here,
we're talking people who run red lights.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
What should that find be? Right now?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It's seventy dollars under this taken or that, Yeah, at
least double triples.
Speaker 8 (07:01):
You want to be prohibitive, so it sets a precedent
and serves as a deterrent. If it's like two hundred
and fifty dollars and you run a red light, you're
going to be a lot more careful at set intersection.
There is a red light camera right out here at
Bellevue and Quebec, and.
Speaker 9 (07:15):
I know that.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I'm like, oh, still on, I think so pretty sure.
Speaker 8 (07:19):
Yeah, but you know there is the And I talked
about this earlier with Leland Conway. He views it more
from the libertarian standpoint that this is more of a
cash grab than really a safety mechanism or law enforcement tool.
Speaker 9 (07:32):
And when I talked to Sheriff Steve Reames.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
He said that was like the front end of the
sale by the companies that are offering this services.
Speaker 9 (07:37):
Hey make a lot of revenue for your police department.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Oh, and I understand that's their pitch. But but what
I'm looking at is what's the real purpose. And the
real purpose is you've got a killing field going on
in a bunch of these intersections. And we're talking about
the desk because that's the ultimate. But how many people,
how many teenagers? Okay, they're healthy today and now for
the rest of their lives they'll be disabled or impaired
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or some people paralyzed. How many just because people decide
to run a red light? We're talking about that one
major offense here. So I understand there may be this
revenue motivation, but there are a lot of examples out
there of doing well by doing good. Okay, I don't
care if a city or county makes more money if
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the thing's accomplishing its purpose.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, so I do at least two fifty on those tickets, rund.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I know, seventy is really going to hurt a lot
of people, A hundred's really going to hurt a lot
of people.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
But getting killed is going to hurt a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So I think, to your point, it's got to be
so large that everybody's aware of it.
Speaker 9 (08:47):
Running a red light too.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
When I think about it, then it's such an avoidable thing,
like everybody's in a hurry, everybody's times valuable. I get it,
But you just don't run a red light because of
what you and I talked about before. Would almost happen
with Caroline. What has happened many times with you and me.
I use the dan Kaplis rule at every stoplight. I
never assume green means go, I look like, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
And that's happened to me more than about a half
dozen times, probably that somebody's blown them through that intersection.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Red.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Amen, Amen, and please, I beg of everybody, do not
go when the light turns green. Look both ways when
the light turns green. You have so many people running
lights because they don't think there's any enforcement out there.
I put these at every major intersection.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Thank you, Texter.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
It was the number in my mind. Five hundred dollars
you're going to decide to run a red light. That's
five hundred bones right there. And the second one is
a thousand and the third one is two thousand and
should these be criminal as well? I understand these are
civil because you're talking about cameras and then issues of proof.
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Another texture says slide and scale based on how long
after the light turned red. What do you think about that?
Speaker 10 (09:58):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Your advice to win when a light goes green has
saved my life many times.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Texture. That makes my day. Ooh, Dan, curious to know
if you ever go through a yellow.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Let's come back and start with that one. Do you
remember that movie?
Speaker 11 (10:17):
Three?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I'm three someone three eight two five five. Y're on
the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 9 (10:22):
And now back to the Danaplas Show podcast by King Jefferson.
Speaker 10 (10:27):
Donald Trump has shown zero interests and Republicans have shown
zero interest and reopening the government. I'll view from the beginning,
Leaders hum A, Senate Democrats, House Democrats. We've all made
clear that we will sit down with anyone, anytime, any place,
either at the Capitol or back at the White House.
It's a negotiate, a bipartisan They're losing.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
They're losing this thing right now. Didn't they just lose yet?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
They just lost a big union this morning so how
does this thing end. I don't think it's going to
end well for the dams.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
In southeast DC. This food bank line just for federal workers.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
You have to have your government and.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Stretches around the block.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Many furloughed federal employees like Anthony Spie now waiting hours
for help, I say. Nick goes on to talk about
how this big federal union now has has called for
an end to the shutdown. Just accept the clean continuing resolution,
which is the GOP position, which makes perfect sense. But yeah,
these you know, these long lines at food banks, very
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real thing, and here in Colorado and other places, and
now you're going to have food stamp benefits called snaps
start to run out. Now the Dems they blew it
with this one like so much else. You know, they're
just politically impotent.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
So they're flailing.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And it'll be interesting to see how Trump wants to
land this, because you know, he wants a clear w
At the same time, you got a lot of people
hurting and they have to be.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Taken care of.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And we're talking about something very close to home for
you right now, which is these traffic what do you
call these things again? Where you know they just the cameras,
the intersection cameras where you know you could find if
you run a red light. And what I'm saying is
I want them at every major intersection, and I want
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the find to be at least five hundred dollars, because
when we're talking about running red lights, that is absolute recklessness.
They're disrespecting you and their family. They're saying they don't
care if they kill you. And we've just got to
put an end to this. It's an epidemic right now.
I say to my own law practice all the time
because we represent victims, this is horrific. Because the Left
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is undermining cops, so there's much less enforcement out there.
So if you're going to have to do it with
these red light cams, you're going to have to do
it there. So let's get them at all the major intersections. Okay,
what do we have here, texters Dan, Let's not just
find the red light runners. Let's change the law in
order to jack up the points for a failure to stop.
I know the red light cam offenses don't include points,
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but the accidents because of a failure to stop should
be twelve points. Interesting question constitutionally, and I love to
hear from criminal defense lawyers or constitutional lawyers out there.
I do the catastrophic injury work, so I don't know
the answer.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
On the criminal side.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Can you constitutionally actually assess points violations, you know, criminal
type violations through a red light cam?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Is it just an issue a proof?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
If it's just an issue approof, then maybe that can
be addressed through better technology so you can be absolutely
sure who's behind the wheel.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But maybe there are other hang ups.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
If it can be done constitutionally, I'm all for it.
Hammer these people every single way you can. They deserve
absolutely no mercy when you're talking about people who intentionally
run these red lights. Dan and Ryan, I see your
five hundred and raise it to one K. First time,
I pray and look both ways on green lights because
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of you. That's from Firestone, Brenda. Thank you, Brendan. And
I can't repeat it enough. When the light turns green,
look both ways. Do not go when the light turns green.
So many people running red lights, you have to look
both ways first. I've talked to multiple people who have
been saved by doing that. Dan, it's two fifty if
you cross two white lines on toll roads. I think
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running a red light should absolutely be at least double that.
Amen to that, Dan. The yellow should blink one second
before the red to reduce people from taking the chance. Interesting,
what would you do? Would you calibrate there? And then
we had a texture just before the end of the break, Dan,
curious to know if you ever.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Go through a yellow? No? I, well, do you mean
enter on a yellow? That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
There will be times I enter on a yellow, certainly
because I don't want to cause a wreck.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Biz.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I mean on my brakes when I get to an
intersection and it turns yellow.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
No, I've entered on yellows. Absolutely. Do I try to
beat reds? No, I do not try to beat reds.
And I'm not trying to be holier than now. I
think it's from my job and all the Somebody just
sent me another picture five minutes ago, just the most
horrific things you can ever see, because somebody decided to
run a red light. When they do that, they're deciding
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that their life is more important than yours, whatever appointment
they're going to, whatever it is, more important than the life.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Of your trial. Screw them, screw them.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
There is really no amount that would be too large
an amount to charge. In my humble opinion, let's go
to William and Hygiene. You're on the Dan Kaplis show.
Speaker 12 (15:34):
Welcome, Hello dan Is just a quick thing. I agree
with the red lights for traffic safety and take the
people for running red lights. I love out in the
country and I have to go into Long Lit almost
every day to get my mails in the post office
because mail out in the country and it is in
a mox which is not secure. And I also have
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to get my grocery service.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Sure.
Speaker 12 (15:58):
I have timed the stop lights at the intersections, and
most of them longmot there's a lot of twenty five
mile an hours streets and there's a lot of thirty
five mile an hour streets. If you're going at thirty
five miles an hour and you're within a couple hundred
feet of the intersection, you've got three seconds to go
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from green to red. So if you're going to be
doing the cameras, and if you're going to be doing
people having to pay for going through a yellow light
turning red, you've got to set the time that you
can stop without having everything to go through the windshield.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
A fair point, my friend, And what do you think
based on your experience, because you're obviously attentive to detail.
What do you think that light cycle should be? How
much yellow?
Speaker 12 (16:50):
At least five seconds? If the steel limits thirty five,
it should be at least five seconds. Because I'm usually
driving my pickup truck and I've got my dog sitting
in the shotgun seat and got over the seat belt udder,
and if I'm doing thirty five miles an hour, I
always slow down when I go to a red light,
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when i go through longmut because I know that I've
got three seconds, and if I'm going to be with
a hundred feet and the turns, I'm going to hardly
get through without a turn and yellow.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
And are you saying it's a three second yellow cycle
in long line.
Speaker 12 (17:27):
A three second in long Lunn if it goes from
green to red in three seconds. I've kined them. I
pollowed them, and I say, you know this isn't right
because it's dangerous.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Wow, hey, William, great calling that.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Because of course, my position, which is very hardcore on
this for good reason, is premised on the assumption that
this is a fair light cycle and motorists have a
fair opportunity to know there's a red light coming and
to be able.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
To stop safely. Here on the Dan Katla Show.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast, you don't.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Have to run the red light rod saying if you've
run that red light.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
What I want is, I want a red light cam
at every major intersection in Colorado, and I want a
minimum five hundred dollars ticket if somebody decides to run
that red light, because what they're saying is whatever they
have to go to is.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
More important than whether your child lives or dies.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
And I'm tired of looking at these pictures of dead
people of all ages because somebody decides to run a
red light. Now I understand one of my favorite talk
show hosts, Anywhere, Leland Conway at six hundred Kogo in
San Diego, disagrees with me on that.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Leland. As soon as I heard that word, I asked
Grian to try to get you on the show.
Speaker 11 (18:46):
How you doing, my friend, I'm good, brother, it's good
to hear your voice. How are you well?
Speaker 12 (18:51):
Great?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
And as soon as I heard you disagreed, I figured
it must be like those great Friday shows you used
to invite me on to, where you guys would all drink.
I can't remember if it's urban or whatever. I did
not partake. I would have been a lot more interesting
if I did. But oh, I.
Speaker 11 (19:06):
Know you were pretty interesting. We heard about the hits
hiking across America. Good memory, not going away. That's in
the handles of great talk radio.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I good memory. That was a great story. But Leland,
my friend, please educate us on why you're opposed if
you are, to these red light camps.
Speaker 11 (19:25):
Absolutely well. And first of all, what I'll tell you
is I agree with your sentiment. I just disagree with
the polopy end right. In fact, I was talking to
when we were talking with Ryan earlier today, I mentioned that,
you know, in my own wife, just a couple of
days after we bought a brand new car, she pulled
up to a red light left hand turn lane. She
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parked a full car length her stopped the full car
length behind the white line, which it was good that
she did because there was a head on collision from
somebody who ran the red light. This happened just in
the Springs, and of course it bounced that vehicle into
her and it totaled the vehicle, but it would have
hurt her. Has she been up on that white line.
So there's no question that from the standpoint of the
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sentiment of wanting harsher punishments for these kinds of situations,
I'm in full agreement with you. I also think we
need to treat the problem at the root of it,
like where it starts, and that has to do with
the fact that we have a lot of terrible drivers
in Colorado. And I do agree with stiffer penalties for
these kinds of things, especially red light but I don't
like red light cameras and I don't like speed cameras,
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and the reason is because they quickly become a revenue
grab and not a safety issue when it comes to
where the government stands, and I'm just fun to you can,
but usually it ends up getting distorted. So I gave
the example of a town in Florida that had these
and they had mapped out how much revenue they were
going to get with these speed cameras, these red light cameras,
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and it was a bunch of retired people, and retired
people tend to drive and obey speed limits, and they
tend to obey traffic laws, and so they weren't getting
any of the revenue they were expecting, so they messed
with the yellow lights timing and they ended up having
rare endurers as a result of that. And in some
states these have been ruled unconstitutional because you also don't
face an accuser, so that became quickly a revenue grab.
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I'll give you another example. In San Diego where I'm at,
California this last year passed a law a daylighting wall.
What that is is you can't park any closer than
twenty one feet to a curb, which makes all the
sense in the world, right, Like, I mean, we shouldn't
be parking so close to the curb that we can't see,
you know, around the corner, or people can't see pedestrians,
et cetera. The problem is they didn't paint any of
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the curbs and there to the inch, right, and so
what's happening is people are parking maybe an inch of
their bumper is over what would be the line, but
there's no marking for it and no sign for it.
And so what they're doing is they're going ahead and
writing tickets. And they've raised over a million and a
half dollars in three months just in San Diego alone.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, see that if you want to build that line.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, if you want to paint that line and then
people decide to part too close, fine find them. But
coming back to the red light camps, and you're absolutely
right listen and wherever they were doing that with all
those old folks trying to cheat them, at that point
that there should be some massive action against the city
because they are danger creating. And at that point when
they develop a yellow light cycle because as you probably no,
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my friend, you're so well informed the Manual on Uniform
Traffic Control Devices, which provides standards nationwide. At twenty five
mile an hour zone, you should have three seconds of
yellow so you don't end up with the problem Leland's
talking about. At thirty five miles an hour, it's three
point six, and then it goes up from there. Over
sixty five it's six seconds. So yeah, if they're rigging
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it to try to cheat people, I'm with you all
the way. But I have no problem with whether it's
Thorting in today's story or some other governmental entity raking
in a lot of money, if they're making the intersection safer.
Because you agree with the sentiment, I mean these people
who are running red lights, not not some old folks
who get short cycled on a yellow but the people
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are just flat running running red lights.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
They're saying they don't care if you live or die.
Speaker 12 (23:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (23:09):
Absolutely, and again the sentiment, yes, the policy know. And
here's where I would counter that in saying we could
achieve the same thing without violating people's civil rights and
putting them in front of a camera rather than a
human being. I think if you placed police cars there
at random times, on random days, once or twice a week,
so that they were visible, you'd have a force multiplier effect.
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And once it got once the word got out that
that particular intersection was being policed. And I gave an
example earlier today the town of Twin Lakes, Colorado, just
outside of Buena Vista, a little mountain town at the
base of Independence Pass. They have a cup car that
sits across the street from the only general store in town,
next to the lake that has a dummy in it.
It has a crash test dummy in it. From a distance,
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you see the silhouette of a human being. And even myself,
knowing every time I've been there it's been a dummy, I.
Speaker 12 (24:00):
Still slow down, which is good.
Speaker 11 (24:01):
I should be right, because there'll be that one day
that there's actually a human being in it and it
strikes people as to strike the cord. So I think
the same thing could be achieved a whole lot cheaper
by just putting again random days, random time, so you
cannot predict it and you wouldn't necessarily have to put
into cameras. Then I think you do also need to
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jack up the penalty for it. I agree with you
on the on the price, I think running the red
light maybe even more than five hundred dollars, because ultimately
you're kind of talking about an infraction that to me
is on the level with a DUI.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, it's it's killer behavior.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
But Leland, Conway, I guess six hundred k Kogo and
San Diego. Let me ask you this, so Leland, when
it comes to cheaper, being realistic, considerate. The reality, as
you well know, is that most police forces right now
are so undermanned, so understaffed. They just don't have the resources.
It's not the fault of the men and women in blue,
but it's the reason we see such madness on the
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roadways right now.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Nobody's concerned about enforcements.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So as a practical matter, I don't know that most
of these places would have the cars or the manpower
to spare even the car for the dummy to sit in.
Speaker 12 (25:13):
Fair point.
Speaker 11 (25:14):
But I would say that freedom and practicality don't always
come in hand. And again, I want to treat this
at the root of the cause and not at the symptom. Right,
the root of the cause is who are we giving
driver's licenses to, How are we educating people? How are
we penalizing those issues? And if you think about it,
it's kind of interesting. And I know this is something
we do agree on because you're right, they don't have
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the resources. Why do they not have the resources?
Speaker 9 (25:38):
Because we have.
Speaker 11 (25:39):
Stupid politicians who gave in to a stupid demand to
defund the police. We jumped on the backs of our
law enforcement officers, and now all across the country, even
though the defund the police movement is mostly dead, guess what,
a lot of law enforcement officers are leaving those forces
and we're having a self fulfilling philosophy. So again, we're
not treating it at this We're trying to treat it
(25:59):
at the emptim as opposed to at the cause. And
you know, freedom's dangerous, well sometimes that you.
Speaker 12 (26:06):
Know, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, yeah, freedom's dangerous, right, But you want to treat
at the root cause I want all the above, but I.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Want to treat at the point of impact.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
When we have something deadly, I want to treat at
the point of impact right now and stop that impact
with all of the aboves.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
So hey, really enjoy the conversation, my friend. I hope
we can do this more often.
Speaker 11 (26:27):
Absolutely, brother, It's always good to hear your voice. Appreciate
what you do. Thanks again, we agree on much more
than we disagree unto that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Amen. Well, thank you Leland. You take care awesome, have
a great one.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Thank you. Yeah, Leland, he does a fantastic job. Now
on six hundred k ogo in San Diego. Love to
get to your take. And if you just joined the conversation,
we're talking about Thornton now putting in these red light cams,
talking about a couple of deadly intersections. I think they
should be at every major intersection everywhere in Colorado, and
we should be hammering pece people who run red lights. Now,
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assuming it's not a trap, assuming you have a fair
yellow light cycle, but assuming that, how much do you
think the fine should be? Do you agree with Leland?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And not me that.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Wait a second, this is an infringement on freedom. I
don't think any of us have the freedom to run
red lights. You're on the Dan Kaplas Show.
Speaker 9 (27:23):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Six music.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
The crash Test Dummies from nineteen ninety four, Dan, how
was I supposed to be told?
Speaker 9 (27:38):
It was thirty years ago?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I was getting married in nineteen ninety four and we
did not have crash test dummies.
Speaker 9 (27:43):
At the reception session. This is like a big hit
from that year, like one of the top.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Really it's if they'd played that, I would have brought
in a DJ. But yeah, we had a live band,
which is really cool.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
They're hard to find anymore and more.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, you're right, crash test dummies. Good good there, Ryan,
if you just joined us, thank you. We're talking about
these red light cams or just putting in in thwarton
and too bad intersections. I say, have them everywhere and
have very very expensive tickets, because when somebody chooses to
run a red light, that that is fatal behavior and
they're showing they.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Don't care at all about your life. Dan, what if
a number was.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, that just gets too long and complicated, Thank you,
And I understand as we start talking about highway engineering,
crash reconstruction, et cetera, we start to get into some
math formulas that may not translate well to text.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
In my hometown in Florida, they had red camera but
they had to take them out because the tickets were
not being issued by sworn officers. That is not a
legal problem in Colorado. Maybe Florida has some constitutional issue
as long as you follow certain protocols and it has
to be a civil process and so at that point,
yet that there can't be points on the ticket, et cetera.
(28:56):
If there was a constitutional way to do it and
it was fair and evidence, I'd say, somebody who's going
to run a red light hammer them, hammer them with
the points too. But I understand the challenge when you're
just relying on the machinery. On the other hand, though,
with all of this carnage in Colorado, in the reality,
the lefts undermine law enforcement, so you're just not going
to get enough cars on the road. What about having
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a live officer. Now this doesn't mean it has to
be full police officer with full benefits and everything else,
but what about having a live officer just real time
monitoring the technology and literally observing while recording, you know,
cars running red lights at that point, would there be
(29:39):
any bar to then having the points assessed, turning it
into a criminal issue, and would you want to do that?
Let's go to the full lenges. We'll starting Aurora with Devin.
You're on the Dan Kaplish'll welcome, Hey, Dan.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
How you doing living the dream?
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Oh?
Speaker 12 (29:54):
Good to hear.
Speaker 13 (29:55):
So I'm down an Aurora now, but I reside up
in four Collins and up in four cons They have
put quite a bit more red light ticket as well
as speeder radar cameras all through ups now. And the
crazy thing about these speeder radar cameras is they're mobile,
so they can have them at one intersection or pass
one intersection one day and then completely move the other
(30:17):
And it kind of messes you up a little bit
as to knowing where they are. But I guess that's
kind of the purpose of the whole thing, you know,
to keep people from speeding. My question is more the
legality of these tickets that you receive. From my understanding.
I know when I was growing up and when I
first got my license, my father told me you know,
if you're ever pulled over by a police officer, make
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sure you request to see the radar gun to see
that the speed has been captured on that radar gun,
and that you're also allowed to ask as far as
the last calibration of that radar gun. Now, if you're
pulled over, if you're given a ticket from these the
speeder radar cameras, what's to say you can't fight that
(31:02):
court as far as saying I was never seen the
radar gun capture me at that speed, and I'm also
unaware of the recent calibration of that machine as far
if the ticket is concerned, it's just a number on
a piece of paper with a picture of you drive.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, great question, Eric, And you know I don't do
like traffic ticket defense, so I don't claim to be
the world's expert on this, But this I would say,
and that is because it's a civil process, right. They
can't take Eric's license over this, they can't assess you points, etc.
You're going to have many, many fewer protections in that situation.
(31:40):
So my belief is the legality of that would come
down to, you know, whether they have more likely than
not proof that the system they use is reliable. Now
you're talking about a more challenging scenario, my friend. And
I'm glad you are then the traffic like cams at intersection,
because there you can look at the picture and say,
is that Eric's car running around? But I understand the
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additional challenges when you get into the these portable speed
radar camps. Yes, yeah, no, great, great question. I'll try
to look into that overnight, because we're going to be
doing this topic again tomorrow and talking about other technologies.
Since we know we're not going to have enough officers
on the roadway because they're being undermined on the budget side,
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do we need to start using a lot more technology
and a lot more places because right now it's just
a killing field out there. Let's go to Eric and
Castle Rock here on the Dan Kaplas show, Welcome and
then this text, Dan, we've got one deputy for one
thousand square miles, no chance to have any traffic enforcement.
Bring on the speed cameras, Go ahead, my friend, Eric.
Speaker 12 (32:45):
Oh hey, Dan, Yeah, real quick. I just want to
say I think they need to take it a little bit.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Further though, with severe penalties for people that are driving
here illegally. That are being just handed driver's licenses that
don't speak the language. And I'm in the colors and
repair industry, so I know exactly what you're talking about.
And we have more and more and more customers coming
to us saying, well, the person spolk knowinglish, had no insurance.
They just took off and they know there's going to
(33:10):
be no repercussions, and God forbid somebody kill somebody, you know,
blown a red light that isn't afraid of any repercussions
because they know they won't do anything.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Well, I wonder, I wonder if great point, Eric, I
wonder if the finds need to be much higher for
folks who are not licensed to drive, not properly licensed
to drive, you know, whether that's because they're here illegally
and they didn't go through the process to get a license,
that's for some other reason. Do we just need that
across the board? Because I understand the frustration. I represent
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people the most important thing in the world to them.
Their child has just been killed by somebody who shouldn't
even be on our roadways. They shouldn't be in the country,
they're not here legally, and that just compounds the unimaginable
for them. So yeah, is there a way should the
penelties be stiff in there for the traffic offense itself?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Thank you, Eric. Sorry, we're out of time today. These
great techs.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
That I have right now, they'll be evergreen tomorrow because
we're going to expand this topic tomorrow into other technologies.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
You know, we had a caller talk about it that.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
The speed, type of technologies, etc. Ryan, great job as always,
Thank you my friend. Please join us tomorrow on The
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
As you having a good Monday. Obviously getting cold out
there across the state today, but it is like the
end of October.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Still going to have a very pleasant Halloween, and that
is not the norm around here if you're new to
the state. Normally it's absolutely gorgeous. Then Halloween hits and
the kids just freeze their tails off, literally since many
costumes have tails three or three seven one three eight
two five five text d an five seven seven three nine.
Lots going on locally and nationally, but I always like
(00:43):
to start with the stuff that I think is most
real to you today as we talk, and that's always
going to start with stuff that involves traffic and the roadways,
because good chance you're out there right now, good chance
it's pretty darn slow, and we all know that, fortunately,
your largest chance of being killed or god forbid, anybody
(01:04):
in your family is going to be on the roadways.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So that is all to me top priority.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It's also what I do for a living, this catastrophic
injury stuff, so I'm reminded every day of just how
people's lives are turned upside down in a heart piece.
So one thing that drives me crazy is all the
unnecessary carnage out there, because I get it that, hey,
if we're gonna have cars, there are going to be
some people killed on the roadway, and that's heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
But it's just baked into life.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It doesn't excuse negligence or recklessness, and that has to
be dealt with right but as a society, and then
in my own practice, it drives me out of my
mind is all this stuff that's completely unnecessary, and there
is so much of that, so much of that out there,
and so that's why we just talk about these different
idiotic things the Left does that just make our roadways
(01:56):
so unnecessarily more dangerous, such as this goofy lane filtering
thing with motorcycles that they knew would turn into lane splitting,
and that's exactly what we have, and it's leading to
more carnage. Stuff like seeing the cyclists bicycles under certain
circumstances that we've talked about before here yeah, you don't
(02:18):
have to stop at a step center red leg What
what idiot is some mortician cook that up? Give me
a break, But I want to talk to you now
for a second about red light cameras. Here's a setup
story from CBS four in Denver on some new ones
going in in Thornton. Then I want to get your take.
Should we have these things everywhere? Because disproportionately so much
(02:41):
of the worst carnage occurs at intersection with people running
signs and signals.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Following developments around two dangerous intersections in Thornton and many
crashes due to people running lights. Thornton believes say over
the last fifteen months, there have been twenty three crashes
at eighty eighth Avenue and washing Hington Street, and thirty
three collisions at one hundred and twentieth Avenue in Colorado Boulevard.
Your reporter in Adams County, Gabrielle Vigal, spoke to police
(03:08):
about their efforts to keep drivers from running those red lights.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
On these streets. It doesn't pay to be in a
big hurry.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Speed has not just taken the small light, he.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Really took a big piece.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
When he's a Christian, but it's also taken lives.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
My biggest thing is just honoring him the ways that
I can. That's what kind of helps.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Keep me saying.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
It was just seven months ago when a car hit
and killed thirty five year old Christians at the Maria
after an eighteen year old was accused of running a
red light at one hundred and twentieth Avenue in Colorado Boulevard.
The father forrest family have previously spoken with CBS Colorado
wanting more accountability on the roads.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
You know, it's unfortunate that we have individuals out here
that just really take life for granted in that way,
because you're putting not just you know, yourself in danger,
but that could have been anybody.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Now, it's these cameras that could be the ticket to
preventing crashes on two of Thorn's most notorious intersections.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
The hope for the intention is to get people to
not run the red light and therefore reduce the crashes.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
CBS Colorado followed along as crews installed sixteen cameras at
eighty eighth Avenue in Washington Street, which will be used
to detect drivers in any direction who run a red light.
This pilot program will also include cameras at one hundred
and twentieth Avenue in Colorado Boulevard, the same intersection where
Santa Manilla lost his life.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
We have to have a thirty day advertising period, and
then the first thirty days that these are operational they
will be issuing just warnings, and then after that thirty
day warning period then live citations will come out.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
But once these cameras behind me are up and running
and issuing tickets, people who do run a red light
here will receive a seventy five dollars fine in the mail,
which police say will go towards paying back for these
cameras in this pilot program and hopefully more cameras at
other intersections in the future.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
This is a civil panelty basically, so unlike if a
police officer wrote you a ticket and hand it to
you where there's points, a sign against your license and
everything else, these don't have that.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Deputy Chief Paul Hawkins says it's a price he hopes
will encourage drivers to take driving seriously and prevent crashes
here from becoming the norm.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
There's a lot of people who appreciate what they're for
and the intent, and would like to see them in
other places.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
If they were in Thorton. Gabriel Levidel covering Colin A.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
First, so what do you think should we have these everywhere?
All major intersections three oh three seven one three eight
two five five text DN five seven seven three nine.
Really happy to hear what they're doing in Thornton. I'm
very familiar with both of those intersections. The only gripe
I have with that is I think the ticket should
be higher. I think the ticket should be high because
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think about what we're talking about here. We're not talking
about somebody going six miles up with a speed limit
or something like that. We're talking about people who make
a decision to run a red light. Thank God that
what they're saying when they do that is they don't
care about your child's life, they don't care about your
wife's life, they don't care about your life. That they're
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just gonna run a red light and understanding the magnitude
of that risk, they are absolutely conscious that they may
kill somebody they're confident won't be them, because they're likely
to be the hitter and not.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
The hit e.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
And we all know so very often the killers they
walk away from these crashes because they're the hitter. But
why in the world wouldn't you find the hades out
of these people?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Don't you that? How much should that find be?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You tell me three h three seveone three eight two
five five text d A N five seven seven three nine, right,
how much should that find be? I'll tell you what
I think the fine should be. We're talking intersections here,
we're talking people who run red lights.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
What should that find be? Right now?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It's seventy dollars under this taken or that, Yeah, at
least double triples.
Speaker 8 (07:01):
You want to be prohibitive, so it sets a precedent
and serves as a deterrent. If it's like two hundred
and fifty dollars and you run a red light, you're
going to be a lot more careful at set intersection.
There is a red light camera right out here at
Bellevue and Quebec, and.
Speaker 9 (07:15):
I know that.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I'm like, oh, still on, I think so pretty sure.
Speaker 8 (07:19):
Yeah, but you know there is the And I talked
about this earlier with Leland Conway. He views it more
from the libertarian standpoint that this is more of a
cash grab than really a safety mechanism or law enforcement tool.
Speaker 9 (07:32):
And when I talked to Sheriff Steve Reames.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
He said that was like the front end of the
sale by the companies that are offering this services.
Speaker 9 (07:37):
Hey make a lot of revenue for your police department.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Oh, and I understand that's their pitch. But but what
I'm looking at is what's the real purpose. And the
real purpose is you've got a killing field going on
in a bunch of these intersections. And we're talking about
the desk because that's the ultimate. But how many people,
how many teenagers? Okay, they're healthy today and now for
the rest of their lives they'll be disabled or impaired
(08:03):
or some people paralyzed. How many just because people decide
to run a red light? We're talking about that one
major offense here. So I understand there may be this
revenue motivation, but there are a lot of examples out
there of doing well by doing good. Okay, I don't
care if a city or county makes more money if
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the thing's accomplishing its purpose.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, so I do at least two fifty on those tickets, rund.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I know, seventy is really going to hurt a lot
of people, A hundred's really going to hurt a lot
of people.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
But getting killed is going to hurt a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So I think, to your point, it's got to be
so large that everybody's aware of it.
Speaker 9 (08:47):
Running a red light too.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
When I think about it, then it's such an avoidable thing,
like everybody's in a hurry, everybody's times valuable. I get it,
But you just don't run a red light because of
what you and I talked about before. Would almost happen
with Caroline. What has happened many times with you and me.
I use the dan Kaplis rule at every stoplight. I
never assume green means go, I look like, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
And that's happened to me more than about a half
dozen times, probably that somebody's blown them through that intersection.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Red.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Amen, Amen, and please, I beg of everybody, do not
go when the light turns green. Look both ways when
the light turns green. You have so many people running
lights because they don't think there's any enforcement out there.
I put these at every major intersection.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Thank you, Texter.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
It was the number in my mind. Five hundred dollars
you're going to decide to run a red light. That's
five hundred bones right there. And the second one is
a thousand and the third one is two thousand and
should these be criminal as well? I understand these are
civil because you're talking about cameras and then issues of proof.
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Another texture says slide and scale based on how long
after the light turned red. What do you think about that?
Speaker 10 (09:58):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Your advice to win when a light goes green has
saved my life many times.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Texture. That makes my day. Ooh, Dan, curious to know
if you ever go through a yellow.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Let's come back and start with that one. Do you
remember that movie?
Speaker 11 (10:17):
Three?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I'm three someone three eight two five five. Y're on
the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 9 (10:22):
And now back to the Danaplas Show podcast by King Jefferson.
Speaker 10 (10:27):
Donald Trump has shown zero interests and Republicans have shown
zero interest and reopening the government. I'll view from the beginning,
Leaders hum A, Senate Democrats, House Democrats. We've all made
clear that we will sit down with anyone, anytime, any place,
either at the Capitol or back at the White House.
It's a negotiate, a bipartisan They're losing.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
They're losing this thing right now. Didn't they just lose yet?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
They just lost a big union this morning so how
does this thing end. I don't think it's going to
end well for the dams.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
In southeast DC. This food bank line just for federal workers.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
You have to have your government and.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Stretches around the block.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Many furloughed federal employees like Anthony Spie now waiting hours
for help, I say. Nick goes on to talk about
how this big federal union now has has called for
an end to the shutdown. Just accept the clean continuing resolution,
which is the GOP position, which makes perfect sense. But yeah,
these you know, these long lines at food banks, very
(11:29):
real thing, and here in Colorado and other places, and
now you're going to have food stamp benefits called snaps
start to run out. Now the Dems they blew it
with this one like so much else. You know, they're
just politically impotent.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
So they're flailing.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And it'll be interesting to see how Trump wants to
land this, because you know, he wants a clear w
At the same time, you got a lot of people
hurting and they have to be.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Taken care of.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And we're talking about something very close to home for
you right now, which is these traffic what do you
call these things again? Where you know they just the cameras,
the intersection cameras where you know you could find if
you run a red light. And what I'm saying is
I want them at every major intersection, and I want
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the find to be at least five hundred dollars, because
when we're talking about running red lights, that is absolute recklessness.
They're disrespecting you and their family. They're saying they don't
care if they kill you. And we've just got to
put an end to this. It's an epidemic right now.
I say to my own law practice all the time
because we represent victims, this is horrific. Because the Left
(12:38):
is undermining cops, so there's much less enforcement out there.
So if you're going to have to do it with
these red light cams, you're going to have to do
it there. So let's get them at all the major intersections. Okay,
what do we have here, texters Dan, Let's not just
find the red light runners. Let's change the law in
order to jack up the points for a failure to stop.
I know the red light cam offenses don't include points,
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but the accidents because of a failure to stop should
be twelve points. Interesting question constitutionally, and I love to
hear from criminal defense lawyers or constitutional lawyers out there.
I do the catastrophic injury work, so I don't know
the answer.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
On the criminal side.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Can you constitutionally actually assess points violations, you know, criminal
type violations through a red light cam?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Is it just an issue a proof?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
If it's just an issue approof, then maybe that can
be addressed through better technology so you can be absolutely
sure who's behind the wheel.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But maybe there are other hang ups.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
If it can be done constitutionally, I'm all for it.
Hammer these people every single way you can. They deserve
absolutely no mercy when you're talking about people who intentionally
run these red lights. Dan and Ryan, I see your
five hundred and raise it to one K. First time,
I pray and look both ways on green lights because
(13:59):
of you. That's from Firestone, Brenda. Thank you, Brendan. And
I can't repeat it enough. When the light turns green,
look both ways. Do not go when the light turns green.
So many people running red lights, you have to look
both ways first. I've talked to multiple people who have
been saved by doing that. Dan, it's two fifty if
you cross two white lines on toll roads. I think
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running a red light should absolutely be at least double that.
Amen to that, Dan. The yellow should blink one second
before the red to reduce people from taking the chance. Interesting,
what would you do? Would you calibrate there? And then
we had a texture just before the end of the break, Dan,
curious to know if you ever.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Go through a yellow? No? I, well, do you mean
enter on a yellow? That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
There will be times I enter on a yellow, certainly
because I don't want to cause a wreck.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Biz.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I mean on my brakes when I get to an
intersection and it turns yellow.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
No, I've entered on yellows. Absolutely. Do I try to
beat reds? No, I do not try to beat reds.
And I'm not trying to be holier than now. I
think it's from my job and all the Somebody just
sent me another picture five minutes ago, just the most
horrific things you can ever see, because somebody decided to
run a red light. When they do that, they're deciding
(15:18):
that their life is more important than yours, whatever appointment
they're going to, whatever it is, more important than the life.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Of your trial. Screw them, screw them.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
There is really no amount that would be too large
an amount to charge. In my humble opinion, let's go
to William and Hygiene. You're on the Dan Kaplis show.
Speaker 12 (15:34):
Welcome, Hello dan Is just a quick thing. I agree
with the red lights for traffic safety and take the
people for running red lights. I love out in the
country and I have to go into Long Lit almost
every day to get my mails in the post office
because mail out in the country and it is in
a mox which is not secure. And I also have
(15:56):
to get my grocery service.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Sure.
Speaker 12 (15:58):
I have timed the stop lights at the intersections, and
most of them longmot there's a lot of twenty five
mile an hours streets and there's a lot of thirty
five mile an hour streets. If you're going at thirty
five miles an hour and you're within a couple hundred
feet of the intersection, you've got three seconds to go
(16:22):
from green to red. So if you're going to be
doing the cameras, and if you're going to be doing
people having to pay for going through a yellow light
turning red, you've got to set the time that you
can stop without having everything to go through the windshield.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
A fair point, my friend, And what do you think
based on your experience, because you're obviously attentive to detail.
What do you think that light cycle should be? How
much yellow?
Speaker 12 (16:50):
At least five seconds? If the steel limits thirty five,
it should be at least five seconds. Because I'm usually
driving my pickup truck and I've got my dog sitting
in the shotgun seat and got over the seat belt udder,
and if I'm doing thirty five miles an hour, I
always slow down when I go to a red light,
(17:11):
when i go through longmut because I know that I've
got three seconds, and if I'm going to be with
a hundred feet and the turns, I'm going to hardly
get through without a turn and yellow.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
And are you saying it's a three second yellow cycle
in long line.
Speaker 12 (17:27):
A three second in long Lunn if it goes from
green to red in three seconds. I've kined them. I
pollowed them, and I say, you know this isn't right
because it's dangerous.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Wow, hey, William, great calling that.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Because of course, my position, which is very hardcore on
this for good reason, is premised on the assumption that
this is a fair light cycle and motorists have a
fair opportunity to know there's a red light coming and
to be able.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
To stop safely. Here on the Dan Katla Show.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast, you don't.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Have to run the red light rod saying if you've
run that red light.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
What I want is, I want a red light cam
at every major intersection in Colorado, and I want a
minimum five hundred dollars ticket if somebody decides to run
that red light, because what they're saying is whatever they
have to go to is.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
More important than whether your child lives or dies.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
And I'm tired of looking at these pictures of dead
people of all ages because somebody decides to run a
red light. Now I understand one of my favorite talk
show hosts, Anywhere, Leland Conway at six hundred Kogo in
San Diego, disagrees with me on that.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Leland. As soon as I heard that word, I asked
Grian to try to get you on the show.
Speaker 11 (18:46):
How you doing, my friend, I'm good, brother, it's good
to hear your voice. How are you well?
Speaker 12 (18:51):
Great?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
And as soon as I heard you disagreed, I figured
it must be like those great Friday shows you used
to invite me on to, where you guys would all drink.
I can't remember if it's urban or whatever. I did
not partake. I would have been a lot more interesting
if I did. But oh, I.
Speaker 11 (19:06):
Know you were pretty interesting. We heard about the hits
hiking across America. Good memory, not going away. That's in
the handles of great talk radio.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I good memory. That was a great story. But Leland,
my friend, please educate us on why you're opposed if
you are, to these red light camps.
Speaker 11 (19:25):
Absolutely well. And first of all, what I'll tell you
is I agree with your sentiment. I just disagree with
the polopy end right. In fact, I was talking to
when we were talking with Ryan earlier today, I mentioned that,
you know, in my own wife, just a couple of
days after we bought a brand new car, she pulled
up to a red light left hand turn lane. She
(19:45):
parked a full car length her stopped the full car
length behind the white line, which it was good that
she did because there was a head on collision from
somebody who ran the red light. This happened just in
the Springs, and of course it bounced that vehicle into
her and it totaled the vehicle, but it would have
hurt her. Has she been up on that white line.
So there's no question that from the standpoint of the
(20:07):
sentiment of wanting harsher punishments for these kinds of situations,
I'm in full agreement with you. I also think we
need to treat the problem at the root of it,
like where it starts, and that has to do with
the fact that we have a lot of terrible drivers
in Colorado. And I do agree with stiffer penalties for
these kinds of things, especially red light but I don't
like red light cameras and I don't like speed cameras,
(20:28):
and the reason is because they quickly become a revenue
grab and not a safety issue when it comes to
where the government stands, and I'm just fun to you can,
but usually it ends up getting distorted. So I gave
the example of a town in Florida that had these
and they had mapped out how much revenue they were
going to get with these speed cameras, these red light cameras,
(20:48):
and it was a bunch of retired people, and retired
people tend to drive and obey speed limits, and they
tend to obey traffic laws, and so they weren't getting
any of the revenue they were expecting, so they messed
with the yellow lights timing and they ended up having
rare endurers as a result of that. And in some
states these have been ruled unconstitutional because you also don't
face an accuser, so that became quickly a revenue grab.
(21:10):
I'll give you another example. In San Diego where I'm at,
California this last year passed a law a daylighting wall.
What that is is you can't park any closer than
twenty one feet to a curb, which makes all the
sense in the world, right, Like, I mean, we shouldn't
be parking so close to the curb that we can't see,
you know, around the corner, or people can't see pedestrians,
et cetera. The problem is they didn't paint any of
(21:32):
the curbs and there to the inch, right, and so
what's happening is people are parking maybe an inch of
their bumper is over what would be the line, but
there's no marking for it and no sign for it.
And so what they're doing is they're going ahead and
writing tickets. And they've raised over a million and a
half dollars in three months just in San Diego alone.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, see that if you want to build that line.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, if you want to paint that line and then
people decide to part too close, fine find them. But
coming back to the red light camps, and you're absolutely
right listen and wherever they were doing that with all
those old folks trying to cheat them, at that point
that there should be some massive action against the city
because they are danger creating. And at that point when
they develop a yellow light cycle because as you probably no,
(22:20):
my friend, you're so well informed the Manual on Uniform
Traffic Control Devices, which provides standards nationwide. At twenty five
mile an hour zone, you should have three seconds of
yellow so you don't end up with the problem Leland's
talking about. At thirty five miles an hour, it's three
point six, and then it goes up from there. Over
sixty five it's six seconds. So yeah, if they're rigging
(22:43):
it to try to cheat people, I'm with you all
the way. But I have no problem with whether it's
Thorting in today's story or some other governmental entity raking
in a lot of money, if they're making the intersection safer.
Because you agree with the sentiment, I mean these people
who are running red lights, not not some old folks
who get short cycled on a yellow but the people
(23:03):
are just flat running running red lights.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
They're saying they don't care if you live or die.
Speaker 12 (23:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (23:09):
Absolutely, and again the sentiment, yes, the policy know. And
here's where I would counter that in saying we could
achieve the same thing without violating people's civil rights and
putting them in front of a camera rather than a
human being. I think if you placed police cars there
at random times, on random days, once or twice a week,
so that they were visible, you'd have a force multiplier effect.
(23:30):
And once it got once the word got out that
that particular intersection was being policed. And I gave an
example earlier today the town of Twin Lakes, Colorado, just
outside of Buena Vista, a little mountain town at the
base of Independence Pass. They have a cup car that
sits across the street from the only general store in town,
next to the lake that has a dummy in it.
It has a crash test dummy in it. From a distance,
(23:52):
you see the silhouette of a human being. And even myself,
knowing every time I've been there it's been a dummy, I.
Speaker 12 (24:00):
Still slow down, which is good.
Speaker 11 (24:01):
I should be right, because there'll be that one day
that there's actually a human being in it and it
strikes people as to strike the cord. So I think
the same thing could be achieved a whole lot cheaper
by just putting again random days, random time, so you
cannot predict it and you wouldn't necessarily have to put
into cameras. Then I think you do also need to
(24:24):
jack up the penalty for it. I agree with you
on the on the price, I think running the red
light maybe even more than five hundred dollars, because ultimately
you're kind of talking about an infraction that to me
is on the level with a DUI.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, it's it's killer behavior.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
But Leland, Conway, I guess six hundred k Kogo and
San Diego. Let me ask you this, so Leland, when
it comes to cheaper, being realistic, considerate. The reality, as
you well know, is that most police forces right now
are so undermanned, so understaffed. They just don't have the resources.
It's not the fault of the men and women in blue,
but it's the reason we see such madness on the
(25:01):
roadways right now.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Nobody's concerned about enforcements.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So as a practical matter, I don't know that most
of these places would have the cars or the manpower
to spare even the car for the dummy to sit in.
Speaker 12 (25:13):
Fair point.
Speaker 11 (25:14):
But I would say that freedom and practicality don't always
come in hand. And again, I want to treat this
at the root of the cause and not at the symptom. Right,
the root of the cause is who are we giving
driver's licenses to, How are we educating people? How are
we penalizing those issues? And if you think about it,
it's kind of interesting. And I know this is something
we do agree on because you're right, they don't have
(25:36):
the resources. Why do they not have the resources?
Speaker 9 (25:38):
Because we have.
Speaker 11 (25:39):
Stupid politicians who gave in to a stupid demand to
defund the police. We jumped on the backs of our
law enforcement officers, and now all across the country, even
though the defund the police movement is mostly dead, guess what,
a lot of law enforcement officers are leaving those forces
and we're having a self fulfilling philosophy. So again, we're
not treating it at this We're trying to treat it
(25:59):
at the emptim as opposed to at the cause. And
you know, freedom's dangerous, well sometimes that you.
Speaker 12 (26:06):
Know, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, yeah, freedom's dangerous, right, But you want to treat
at the root cause I want all the above, but I.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Want to treat at the point of impact.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
When we have something deadly, I want to treat at
the point of impact right now and stop that impact
with all of the aboves.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
So hey, really enjoy the conversation, my friend. I hope
we can do this more often.
Speaker 11 (26:27):
Absolutely, brother, It's always good to hear your voice. Appreciate
what you do. Thanks again, we agree on much more
than we disagree unto that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Amen. Well, thank you Leland. You take care awesome, have
a great one.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Thank you. Yeah, Leland, he does a fantastic job. Now
on six hundred k ogo in San Diego. Love to
get to your take. And if you just joined the conversation,
we're talking about Thornton now putting in these red light cams,
talking about a couple of deadly intersections. I think they
should be at every major intersection everywhere in Colorado, and
we should be hammering pece people who run red lights. Now,
(27:01):
assuming it's not a trap, assuming you have a fair
yellow light cycle, but assuming that, how much do you
think the fine should be? Do you agree with Leland?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And not me that.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Wait a second, this is an infringement on freedom. I
don't think any of us have the freedom to run
red lights. You're on the Dan Kaplas Show.
Speaker 9 (27:23):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Six music.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
The crash Test Dummies from nineteen ninety four, Dan, how
was I supposed to be told?
Speaker 9 (27:38):
It was thirty years ago?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I was getting married in nineteen ninety four and we
did not have crash test dummies.
Speaker 9 (27:43):
At the reception session. This is like a big hit
from that year, like one of the top.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Really it's if they'd played that, I would have brought
in a DJ. But yeah, we had a live band,
which is really cool.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
They're hard to find anymore and more.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, you're right, crash test dummies. Good good there, Ryan,
if you just joined us, thank you. We're talking about
these red light cams or just putting in in thwarton
and too bad intersections. I say, have them everywhere and
have very very expensive tickets, because when somebody chooses to
run a red light, that that is fatal behavior and
they're showing they.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Don't care at all about your life. Dan, what if
a number was.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, that just gets too long and complicated, Thank you,
And I understand as we start talking about highway engineering,
crash reconstruction, et cetera, we start to get into some
math formulas that may not translate well to text.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
In my hometown in Florida, they had red camera but
they had to take them out because the tickets were
not being issued by sworn officers. That is not a
legal problem in Colorado. Maybe Florida has some constitutional issue
as long as you follow certain protocols and it has
to be a civil process and so at that point,
yet that there can't be points on the ticket, et cetera.
(28:56):
If there was a constitutional way to do it and
it was fair and evidence, I'd say, somebody who's going
to run a red light hammer them, hammer them with
the points too. But I understand the challenge when you're
just relying on the machinery. On the other hand, though,
with all of this carnage in Colorado, in the reality,
the lefts undermine law enforcement, so you're just not going
to get enough cars on the road. What about having
(29:18):
a live officer. Now this doesn't mean it has to
be full police officer with full benefits and everything else,
but what about having a live officer just real time
monitoring the technology and literally observing while recording, you know,
cars running red lights at that point, would there be
(29:39):
any bar to then having the points assessed, turning it
into a criminal issue, and would you want to do that?
Let's go to the full lenges. We'll starting Aurora with Devin.
You're on the Dan Kaplish'll welcome, Hey, Dan.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
How you doing living the dream?
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Oh?
Speaker 12 (29:54):
Good to hear.
Speaker 13 (29:55):
So I'm down an Aurora now, but I reside up
in four Collins and up in four cons They have
put quite a bit more red light ticket as well
as speeder radar cameras all through ups now. And the
crazy thing about these speeder radar cameras is they're mobile,
so they can have them at one intersection or pass
one intersection one day and then completely move the other
(30:17):
And it kind of messes you up a little bit
as to knowing where they are. But I guess that's
kind of the purpose of the whole thing, you know,
to keep people from speeding. My question is more the
legality of these tickets that you receive. From my understanding.
I know when I was growing up and when I
first got my license, my father told me you know,
if you're ever pulled over by a police officer, make
(30:40):
sure you request to see the radar gun to see
that the speed has been captured on that radar gun,
and that you're also allowed to ask as far as
the last calibration of that radar gun. Now, if you're
pulled over, if you're given a ticket from these the
speeder radar cameras, what's to say you can't fight that
(31:02):
court as far as saying I was never seen the
radar gun capture me at that speed, and I'm also
unaware of the recent calibration of that machine as far
if the ticket is concerned, it's just a number on
a piece of paper with a picture of you drive.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, great question, Eric, And you know I don't do
like traffic ticket defense, so I don't claim to be
the world's expert on this, But this I would say,
and that is because it's a civil process, right. They
can't take Eric's license over this, they can't assess you points, etc.
You're going to have many, many fewer protections in that situation.
(31:40):
So my belief is the legality of that would come
down to, you know, whether they have more likely than
not proof that the system they use is reliable. Now
you're talking about a more challenging scenario, my friend. And
I'm glad you are then the traffic like cams at intersection,
because there you can look at the picture and say,
is that Eric's car running around? But I understand the
(32:01):
additional challenges when you get into the these portable speed
radar camps. Yes, yeah, no, great, great question. I'll try
to look into that overnight, because we're going to be
doing this topic again tomorrow and talking about other technologies.
Since we know we're not going to have enough officers
on the roadway because they're being undermined on the budget side,
(32:22):
do we need to start using a lot more technology
and a lot more places because right now it's just
a killing field out there. Let's go to Eric and
Castle Rock here on the Dan Kaplas show, Welcome and
then this text, Dan, we've got one deputy for one
thousand square miles, no chance to have any traffic enforcement.
Bring on the speed cameras, Go ahead, my friend, Eric.
Speaker 12 (32:45):
Oh hey, Dan, Yeah, real quick. I just want to
say I think they need to take it a little bit.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Further though, with severe penalties for people that are driving
here illegally. That are being just handed driver's licenses that
don't speak the language. And I'm in the colors and
repair industry, so I know exactly what you're talking about.
And we have more and more and more customers coming
to us saying, well, the person spolk knowinglish, had no insurance.
They just took off and they know there's going to
(33:10):
be no repercussions, and God forbid somebody kill somebody, you know,
blown a red light that isn't afraid of any repercussions
because they know they won't do anything.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Well, I wonder, I wonder if great point, Eric, I
wonder if the finds need to be much higher for
folks who are not licensed to drive, not properly licensed
to drive, you know, whether that's because they're here illegally
and they didn't go through the process to get a license,
that's for some other reason. Do we just need that
across the board? Because I understand the frustration. I represent
(33:42):
people the most important thing in the world to them.
Their child has just been killed by somebody who shouldn't
even be on our roadways. They shouldn't be in the country,
they're not here legally, and that just compounds the unimaginable
for them. So yeah, is there a way should the
penelties be stiff in there for the traffic offense itself?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Thank you, Eric. Sorry, we're out of time today. These
great techs.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
That I have right now, they'll be evergreen tomorrow because
we're going to expand this topic tomorrow into other technologies.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
You know, we had a caller talk about it that.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
The speed, type of technologies, etc. Ryan, great job as always,
Thank you my friend. Please join us tomorrow on The
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