Sheriff Steve Reams, Weld County fills in for Dan and attempts to step in as referee between Dudley Brown, president of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners and Rep. Ryan Armagost (R-64), minority whip of the Colorado House over opposition to the now-law Senate Bill 25-003.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to The.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Dan Caplis Show, and today you're stuck with good old
Sheriff Steve Riams again filling in from Weld County, Colorado.
Dan's off at trial for I think most of the week,
so I've got Monday and Tuesday. I'm not sure who's
coming the rest of the week, but we'll get to
regroup and kind of cover some of the things we've
discussed in the past, and definitely have some new topics
on the agenda as well. Today we're going to have
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Dudley Brown, the president of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners right
about the four thirty six hour, and in the second
hour we're going to have Aaron Casey's the owner of
Phoenix Weaponry from up and Bright I'm sorry, up in Birtha, Colorado.
He does custom firearms, build some amazing stuff, but I
really wanted to talk with him about the impacts of
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some of the laws in this state. Are having on
his business what it looks like to be an owner
of a gun store in Colorado, Northern Colorado, and just
you know, basically, how do you navigate what is the
state of Colorado right now? And then of course Dudley
Brown with Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, there are no compromise
Second Amendment advocacy group and sometimes they take some heat
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for the stances that they take. And over the weekend,
the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners definitely went on a little
bit of a tear for a particular state representative, Ryan Armagost,
who is the minority whip at the State House, and
kind of called him out on some of his stances
on some different gun bills. So we've had Ryan Armagust
on the show before and figured, well, let's hear the
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other side of the equation. We'll have again Dudley Brown,
the president of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners on at the
four thirty six hours. So that should be entertaining, especially
if you follow Rocky Mountain Gun Owners on any of
the social media platforms. I follow them on Facebook, and
they were entertaining, we'll say, with some of the video
as they put up. I would assume that people who
are big fans of Ryan Armagoss may not have found
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the videos is entertaining, but regardless, you know, that's how
the political realm goes a little bit of back and forth.
But if you've been listening to Ryan's show or any
of the shows over the weekend, you'll know that Dan
put out a promo for today's show kind of talking
about a topic he had had on last Friday, which
was the case over in a Rapahoe County involving the
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we'll say, the careless death or the unnecessary death of
a young lady named Caitlyn Weaver, twenty four year old
female killed in twenty twenty four by an unnamed illegal
alien who is a teenager who was doing ninety miles
an hour through a residential area and t boned into
Caitlyn Weaver. Obviously, she was killed on impact. And the
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shocking part of this is there was definitely a transition
from one DA to another and Amy Padden got elected
in this past January, I believe, and when she took
over the office, unbeknownst to her, allegedly a deal was
struck with the suspect in this case and he basically
just got probation for his actions, and you know, there
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was a lot of talk back and forth. In fact,
I'm going back and reading some of the text messages
from last Friday. You guys were, as Dan would say
in Fuego, over that particular ruling or that particular decision
as to why this individual would only get a probation
sentence and never do any jail time and basically walk
away from this incident unscathed. There's even a question of
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whether he was driving the jeep that he crashed legally
or if he had stolen it from his parents. So
you know, you add those factors in and the question
always has to be asked, why was the punishment so
light in this particular incident other than just the fact
that this is a teenage kid. But what message are
we sitting in the state of Colorado when we have
a legal system that basically gives a pass to someone
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who takes the life of another recklessly, and we'll just
say unnecessarily just because he's a teenager and out acting
like a fool. I've got three boys, a twenty seven
year old, an eighteen year old, and a thirteen year old.
Two of those are obviously drivers. My oldest son wrecked
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probably every car that he had for the first four
or five, but did so in learning phases, and every
time he was held accountable for his own actions. He
didn't get away scott free. He had to buy his
next car. He had to deal with the insure and ramifications.
And that's what you would expect for anybody in this state.
But when you take the life of another person, you
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don't get a free pass. You don't get to walk away.
But that's what this particular person got. So I heard
you guys calling in last week. You're asking some questions
of Dan, you know, kind of what he looked at
the case, Where he looked at the case from. I
would definitely like to tell you where I look at
the case from and debate this with you again. You
can text him. You can text Dan at five seven
seven thirty nine or call in at three O three
seven one three eight two five five if you want
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to talk about this case. I'm more unhappy to go
back and forth with you on it. I don't think
the punishment fit the crime. This kid didn't get nearly
what he deserved. And I say that he's a kid,
he's a juvenile, but he made an adult decision, and
he deserves some adult punishment. I don't know how long
he should go away, but probation is definitely not enough.
But why we wait for you guys to decide if
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you want to call in on that particular issue. There's
no lack of stories to discuss that have happened over
the weekend. If you've paid any attention to the news,
And it doesn't matter what outlet you choose, Fox, CNN, whatever,
We've got them both up here in the studio. We
had the issue of ten escapees out of a New
Orleans jail. I think it was originally reported as eleven
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or twelve. They didn't know how many had escaped. They
had to go back and count the jail a couple
of times, but ten inmates escaped that were charged with
some pretty heinous crimes all the way for all the
way up to murder charges. And they did so by
breaking through rye wall behind a toilet and basically scaling
a wall and hopping out onto the street and fleeing
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the jail. The sheriff's response was, well, there's got to
be some inside help to these guys. I'd say the
inside help was the fact that they went about ten
or twelve hours without being checked. And as a person
who runs a jail or is responsible for running a jail,
this whole thing flies in the face of what every
sheriff is duty bound to do in most jurisdictions. That's
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the most costly thing that a sheriff oversees as a
jail and to hear ten ten inmates break out of
a jail all together. And I think as of now
they've caught three and seven are still at large. This
was so brazen they left notes on the wall saying, lol,
good luck, We'll see you next time. Whatever. It's embarrassing
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for law enforcement as a profession. I cannot believe that
the sheriff down there, female sheriff.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Went on a.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Camera basically blamed this is being some kind of inside job.
No remorse, no taking credit for it from her agency,
of hey, we just messed this up. It was all
about how these unruly individuals had some help and escaped.
So in the meantime, there's seven potential killers running around
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the streets of New Orleans, and that may not really
add a lot to the numbers because New Orleans is
a little bit known for crime, but regardless, seven people
who were in jail are out of jail running around
unchecked right now. Three were captured, but again seven still out.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Have you ever dealt with a jail break yourself, sheriff?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So not as a sheriff, but we did have an
individual that managed to get out of jail under the
previous sheriff's tenure, and I will tell you that the
response was very different. Inside of my organization. It was
all hands on deck. I was fortunate enough to be
in Sturgis, South Dakota when that particular issue happened, and
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I was still asked to respond and come back if necessary. Luckily,
they caught the guy within I think it was about
eight or ten hours, but they were on his trail
right away. We had some some good citizens that reported
seeing a suspicious person running across the field and that
kind of led us to where we needed to be.
But he didn't break through a dry wall wall inside
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of a jail. I can't believe there'd be a dry
wall wall in a jail for someone to break through.
Most of those places are made out of I don't know,
concrete and block and steal. So yeah, there's just failures
from the top to the bottom on this one. But
you can comment on that one too. Again, you can
text in Dan five seven seven three nine or call
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in at three O three seven one three eight two
five five.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So two questions go for Kelly, I knew.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Have you seen the Shawshank.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Red Yes, it's a great move, okay.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And then secondarily, were you riding a Harley?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Of course I was riding off early Inurgis. There's no
other motorcycle that you should ride in Sturgis in my opinion,
but that's the only kind of motorcycle I owned. So yes,
that's what I was riding in Sturgis, one of many
that I've owned over the years. And Strawshank redemption, at
least they had to work at it for a while.
He had to mule his rock wall out through the
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pockets of his pants for months at a time. He
didn't bust through a sheet rock wall, So you know,
I mean, not even comparable, but I get the reference.
Also over the weekend's let's just go to a little
bit of sad news. The Denver Nuggets got destroyed. And
when we're talking about crime, that looked like it almost
should have been criminal. That was a bad performance I
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will say Aaron Gordon gutted it up and he played
the game that they needed him to play despite having
a torn hamstring. But I only bring this up because
Dan kept saying he knew what the outcome was going
to be, but he wasn't going to tell any of
us because he didn't want to ruin the ending of
the game. I wish he would have. He would have
saved me so much time I could have done something else.
I'd have had so much more room for activities and time
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for activities. But instead Dan took that to the weekend
and didn't bother sharing with all of us that we
could have saved our time and not ruined it on
the thirty two or thirty three point loss. So yeah,
we we got no more teams in the playoffs because
of the Rockies. I think are already officially eliminated. So
this isn't a sports show but sad news. Nonetheless, with that,
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I think what we'll do is cut to break. When
we come back, We'll let you guys load up on
any text or phone calls you might have about the
two topics we've thrown out, but there's plenty more. We
got Joe Biden we've got James Comy. We've got a
whole bunch of other things we can cover. So if
you don't want to talk about car crashes and jail escapes,
we'll talk about Joe Biden and James Comy. You can
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text in Dan five seven seven three nine or call
in at three O three seven one three eight two
five five. We'll go to break load up those phone lines,
send your texts in and we'll we'll get to it
after this break. You're listening to the Dan Capless Show
here on six point thirty K how.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And now back to the Dan Kapless Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Here's the thing. You will give us so much extra
space in our room to do activities, so many activities.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Welcome back to the Dan Caplis Show. And you're sitting
in today with Sheriff Steve Reems cover and it's always
a pleasure to be here. But it's even more of
a pleasure when Ryan comes back in with some music
like that and gives me so much more room for activities.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Here's the sad part.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Sheriff frames Kelly had no idea what that reference was
to a room for activities. And then when I was
playing and I was editing that from Step Brothers. The
scene She's like, oh, that's a stupid movie.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Well I called it, which is which is?
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Thank you? Yeah, I take that absolutely every day. One
of my favorite all time movies.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
So while we were at break, someone tried to pick
a fight here I get dan. Indian motorcycles, I personally
think are better and more American than a Harley. There's
an Indian motorcycle documentary you should watch, shows why Harley
is more popular now. Harley cheated and making bikes in
World War Two. I love it when this thing goes
back and forth because you know, the great American motorcycle
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is the Harley Davison, you know, and Indian's okay, especially
if it's an old one, but the new ones are
basically made by Polaris, and you know, I own a
Polaris ATV, but I don't want to own a Polaris
motorcycle on the roads?
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Was it there thoughts, hints and allegations that Harley had
gone woke?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
There was that, yeah, yeah, but then that changed though,
right well.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So very quickly Harley realized, I think we've made a mistake,
and unlike Bud Light said you know, let's just get
rid of this guy who's trying to take us down
the woke path and got back to their roots, I believe.
But regardless, I love the motorcycle I have. It's the
best motorcycle I've ever owned. It's a twenty twenty two
road Glide. I love it. It's great out on the
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road again just a It's a phenomenal piece of machinery.
And if you don't like it, that's okay. It's my
favorite motorcycle. And to whoever this Indian guy is, I'm
sure you have a beautiful Indian motorcycle and you can
keep it.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
So.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Having said all that, lots of stuff went on over
the weekend. You know, what do you say about the
news with Joe Biden. We find out that, you know,
he's got prostate cancer, and this is right on the
tails of the Robert Hurr report being being pushed out
and kind of finding out some of these stumblings that
Joe Biden had. Ryan, you highlighted all this great in
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your show for the previous two hours. Some of the
audio is just it's painful to listen to because not
because you can't hear it as well as you'd like,
But it's just embarrassing to think that a sitting president
in a criminal investigation was responding so poorly to a
person who was quite honestly just asking him some very
i'll say, softball questions. He was not attacking him, it
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was not interrogating him. Was definitely just asking some softball questions.
And President Biden couldn't get to the meat of what
he was being asked. And so you think, Okay, was
the dementia setting in at that point. I think it's
pretty glaringly apparent that it was. And then we find out,
you know, hey, he's also dealing with cancer, and it
probably isn't something that just sprung up in the last
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five months. This is something he's probably been dealing with
for quite some time, which you know, pulls at your heartstrings.
I don't I don't wish cancer on anybody. I don't
wish dementia on anyone, especially our sitting president at the time.
But it does make you wonder who was running the country.
And just as a point, if we could go to
cut five, Ryan a little bit about is it's probably
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not possible that this that this cancer was not known about.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
A little sooner can this test miss it.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Given the fact that the answer is of course, but
given the fact that he has an annual exam pass
is unlikely to miss it, given the fact that it's
a glease in nine, which means it's pretty wild looking
in the sense of underneath it doesn't look like a
normal process cancer. A prostate cell looks like a prosse
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cancer cell, which is looks more of you know, atypical. Uh.
It's it's not likely that his prostate specific antigen, his
p s A, which is the test we're talking about,
would have been in the normal range. It would have
been elevated above four. And that is a that does
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say you should do something about it.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
That's doctor Emmanuel kind of given a breakdown of you know,
how how long Joe Biden could have had prostate cancer
and had gone undetected and then now be discovered in
the in the state that it is very hard to
hard to believe. But regardless, you know, I think, you know,
we all wishing to get better, we all wishing to
pull through this. I wouldn't wish cancer my worst enemy,
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and Joe Biden, you know, he definitely isn't my worst
enemy by any sense of the word. But you know,
just because just because of the political climate, were and
you have to believe that there was more going on
behind the scenes. People knew what was happening, and I
as a voter, I as a US citizen, would really
like to know who was running the country at the time,
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because it's glaringly apparent when you hear the Robert Hurr
audio and then you kind of find out through these
medical challenges that Joe Biden was dealing with, that he
was just a shell that they were kind of holding
out in front of the public. And I hate that
because that's not what the president of the United States
should be. You know, we're seeing the polar opposite of
that right now with President Trump flying all over the world,
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going to the Middle East and securing business deals, and
then you know, in the meantime, we'd have Joe Biden
going to beaches in Delaware every other weekend or every
weekend sometimes. But to prove that this thing is kind
of something that's stuck around a little longer, Ryan, if
you could go to cut one where Biden implies that
he's dealing with cancer.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
That's why so damn any other people I grew up
have cancer and why I can't.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
For the longest time, Delaware had the highest cancer rate
in the nation.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
And that got turned into well he was talking about
skin cancer, and it was you know, he just misspoke,
and that was again Kreem John Pierre, how do you
say her name was out there? You know, given an excuse,
and it was like, come on, is that really what's happening?
And then we can go to the Tucker Carlson. We'll
call it a spot too.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
I have cancer, Joe Biden said, and I got it
from growing up in Delaware. And with that, Biden left
the stage, taking no questions about his condition. What kind
of cancer does Joe Biden have? What is his long
term prognosis? And is Delaware really that bad? Parts of
it are not beautiful? That is true, but can an
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entire state be a carcinogen? At this point, we can't
say we are hearing word tonight that Biden may have misspoken, rattled,
no doubt, but the rest of his diagnosis it is
likely that in fact it's not cancer Joe Biden is battling,
but dementia.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Simple mistake.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
And I remember Tucker Carlson got railed over this because
he was making a joke out of a cancer diagnosis.
And you know, whether or not Joe misspoke a little
bit or President Biden misspoke a little bit, we'll come
to find out, you know, fast forward a little bit,
and it looks like Tucker Carlson may have been a
little more on point, and we were just being lied
to as we became very accustomed to over the last
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four years. So, you know, with all that being said,
we're going to tear into some other stories here as
soon as we come back from break. Dudley Brown with
the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners. You're listening to Dan Caplis
here on six point thirty k how.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Welcome back to the Dan capless Show. You got well
Kenny Sheriff Steve Reeen sitting in the driver's seat today
or maybe the writer's seat today since we've been talking
about Harley's and Indians and motorcycles in general. But on
the line with us, we have a very special guest.
We have the president of the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners,
Dudley Brown. Dudley, how are you doing today?
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Here? You doing?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'm doing excellent, So Dudley, i'd text you last week
because I saw that Rocky Mountain Gun Owners were doing
a series of videos or posts that I was seeing
on Facebook, and the t's was one of nine or
two of nine videos. And these videos were centered around
Representative Ryan Armagust, and you guys had some text to
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go with it, kind of highlighting your displeasure with him
over the way he handled some by the way you
believe he handled some gun bills down at the state legislature.
But what was more shocking is, quite frankly, I didn't
know that Representative Ryan Armagost had the proclivity of air
humping quite as much as as he was doing in
many of these videos. And I don't know how to
say that any differently, a hip thrusting, whatever you want
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to call it, but that seemed to be the theme
in many of these videos. So, Dudley, what got mister
Armagost on your radar screen there at the Rocky Mountain
Gun Owners.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Well, as of course you know, and many of your
listeners probably know, Rocky Mountain Gun Owners RMGO is the
largest gun rights group. They're really only real gun rights
group in the state of any size, and we've been
around for a long time, and I've been doing it
for way too long, thirty two years now, and I
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we were kind of frustrated, of course, with demographic changes,
and everyone's frustrated with the way the legislature has turned, right,
I know you are, and anybody with any conservative bones
in their body has got to be frustrated. But as
an organization, our main role is to kind of steer
that fight. And so last year when the AsSalt Weapons
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Band came up, we fought, fought very hard, spent a
lot of money somewhere in the neighborhood of three hundred
thousand to defeat the what was at that point an
assault weapons ban, and we were successful. But of course
this year they came with a renewed push. They started
out as an assault weapons ban and quickly turned it
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into a permit to purchase built scheme. And yeah, and
without going into all the details of it, we were
committed to try and defeat it. It's by the way,
that same legislation are very close to it is right
now being on the governor's desk in the state of Washington,
and they're fighting and we're actually our national group is
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fighting against that. So ARMNGO really was looking at the
fight and realizing we've got to do everything we can
to defeat this. We knew it was coming up even
before the session started. In fact, we had meetings with
some of the other smaller let's call them activist groups
and told many of them that we would fund their
efforts if if it made if it made sense, and
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they had they had ideas on ways to put pressure
on the legislature. See, our attitude is pressure on politicians
is the only real thing that wins. Logic doesn't win.
None of the no amount of producing studies is going
to change their mind. The only thing you can really
do is put pressure showing them that they might lose
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their next re election so they vote wrong on this.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
If I could take you back to the high capacity
magazine ban that happened in what twenty thirteen, I think
you guys were pretty successful at rolling a few legislators
after that and showing that you know, there are some
teeth to voting wrong, or if you vote wrong, here's
the teeth that you get. Am I correct?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yeah, yeah. Five five Republicans voted wrong on a repeal
of the twenty thirteen magazine ban and two years later,
in twenty fifteen, we tried to repeal it, and we
tried a procedural move in the legislature, and five House
Republicans actually opposed us, saying they that that's not the
way we do things around here. You know, you've got
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to use proper procedure. Now, I don't know. I didn't
raise my hand and swear an oath to follow the tegure.
I thought it was the Constitution last time I checked.
And I don't give two rats butts about procedure. And yeah,
those none of those five Republicans returned in the next election,
and we make darn sure of it now.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So that takes us to where we're at today with
what I think the tactic that you guys are looking
at with Representative arm of goth So you got these
nine videos, nine postings that kind of detail out your
guys' opinion of where he's at on Senate Bill III
and some other bills. So tell us what that what
that opinion is.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Well, we really labeled him the Rhino of the Session
Republican name only largely because the Representative Arma Gost had
installed himself as the House Second Amendment Caucus chairman. Which
I don't even know if there are two members of
the House Second Caucus chairman or House Second Men Caucus itself.
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But he had basically held himself up as this leader,
and frankly, as we talked to him and asked him
what his plans were as Senate Bill three was winding
its way through committees onto the House side had already
passed the Senate, he really didn't have a plan. In fact,
as minority whip, he didn't even pay attention to the
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fact that three of the Republicans who were the more
stauncher Republicans opposing the bill were gone. They were excused
from being there, which is your job as the minority whip.
So we actually got on the horn and got one
of them back and two of them on camera on
zoom call, so they could at least be a part
of the fight. And so we kind of did his job.
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But the big problem was we had spent almost one
hundred thousand dollars fighting this and went direct connect, phone calls,
all kinds of things. And while well, I love to say, uh,
I don't like the light of gun owners, because I don't,
I also know I will use every uh, every trick
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I know in the book to defeat gun control like that,
and that's what we did. We were working with all
kinds of people. We're even working with the NRA, which
doesn't happen often, but but we worked very hard at it,
and leading up through the committees onto the floor action,
we had gone into districts and put literature on people's doors.
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We didn't knock on them, We just put them on
doors and we kind of cherry picked a little bit
so that will get their attention to these targeted legislators.
And these are Democrats who we could vote with us,
and we and we we were doing it on their
on their front doors and trying to get their attention
that hey, if we can do this during the legislative season,
guess what we can do during election seasons. We can
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arrange to make sure people are dropping your whole district. Well.
Representative Armagous actually went to the Democrats and started telling
them what we were doing. He literally was telling the
Democrats that, oh, those guys are going door to door.
And then he came out and publicly said we need
to keep politics in the Capitol. Now, Steve, you and
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I both know that conservatives have zero power in that capital.
The only power we have is with we the people
out in the districts.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Well, and that's what voting should reflect, is out in
the public.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Yeah, and anybody with two brain cells to rub together
can understand that that was a ridiculous statement, because of course,
what do politicians do when they run for office. They
go knocking on doors, they walk in the districts, And
we do the same thing because we want we want
the people in the district to apply pressure directly to
their legislator. And that's what we're doing. Well, Representative Armagus, basically,
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all that pressure we built up, he released, hit the
release valve and gave the Democrats an excuse and then yes,
and they they the only chance we had a beating
Senate Bill three really in the House on the floor,
and he rid the pooch And honestly, he's the guy
who passed it. Now he can run around and and
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you know, thump his chest and do air humping whatever.
My younger staffers found that on TikTok, which I don't
even know how to get on TikTok, I anmurds you want,
but but but they thought it was pretty funny, and
I thought it was a little I'm like, wow, I
don't know if I even want to put that up there,
But we were illustrating the point that this is not
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a serious person with no real strategy and frankly, apparently
no principles. He was more interested in currying favor with
the people who voted against us and passed this bill
than he was with defeating it and shutting his mouth
and doing what he's told, which is we're the guys
leading that fight, and and frankly, he didn't want to
coordinate it at all with us. We love unity when
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the Second Amendment community all stands together. In fact, I'm
doing it right now and with the Reconciliation bill in
Congress and the budget, working with the NRAA, working with
Gunners of America, even working with the White House. But
not when they stab you in the back, those are
not the guys you want in the fox will next
to you.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So what kind of feedback have you guys been getting
from kind of your calling out of Representative Arma Gosta.
You know, I can see some of the comments on Facebook,
but I'm sure I'm not seeing nearly the feedback that
you're getting inside the organization.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Well, we did have. We had certainly a little bit
of feedback. We all, let's not talk about this, this
only hurts our side, and like, well, no, actually, we
waited until after the session, so all the damage was
done to discuss this, and we think that's certainly the
appropriate way to do it. And the simple fact is
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we went to Republican leadership during all this and said,
you guys better get a handle on your members because
this isn't going to go well. And lo and behold,
it's not going well. Most people were saying he needs
to resign, and he was not going to do that,
but because I'm pretty sure this is his life now.
But our attitude is we hold politicians accountable whether they
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have an R or a D next to their name,
and we don't back off just because they have an
R next to their name or they claim to be
pro gun. We had actually supported a representative armor Gospel
the fact check last election cycle in the hopes to
kind of create some unity, and then he did this,
And so we forgive a lot of things in politics,
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but stabbing gun owners in the back at the last second, no,
we don't forgive that. You can ask God for that,
but we don't.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Dudley, would you mind holding out over for a break
and so we can just close out a couple of
things in this last segment. If you just stick with
us to the break, I think I think the listeners
would like to hear your take on where Center Bill
three will end up. We'll cut the break. You're listening
to the Dan Capless Show here on six point thirty.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
KF and now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Well, Kenny Sheriff Steve Reins setting in the driver's seat today.
Before we went to break, we were talking with Dudley Brown,
the president of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, and he's stuck
with us through the break, So we'll get right back
to you. Dudley, I wanted to ask you where do
you think Senate Bill three ends up. We know it's
been signed into law and you know we're gonna have
to deal with the ramifications of it for a little while.
But does this thing hold up? Does it stand constitutional
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muster in your opinion?
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Well, unfortunately, if you read through some of the Heller decision,
it does actually justify some regulation of firearms. And so
most of the attorneys that we hire are a bit
skeptical that we can actually challenge it on straight up
constitutional grounds. Sure, there are some provisions of it that
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are that could be can be challenged. Now here's our
big problem, Steve, is we can't actually challenge it until
someone harm Rentory challenge on this would be almost impossible.
We've learned that by challenging a whole series of things
that in advance, and one of them was a three
day waiting period in which we challenged it and a
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judge kind of spanked us and said, you've really got
to wait until someone's been harmed. So but we are
looking at it right now and actually looking with a
number of other organizations to do a mutual suit. There
are some One of the big provisions that's very problematic
for the state is the concept that a sheriff could
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just arbitrarily deny someone to go through this training class
just because they decided this person might be a harm
to themselves or others, or they don't like them for
that matter.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Are you given to that point? Dudley Bent County has
announced that they're just not going to interact with this law.
They're just going to ignore it, which will essentially mean
that residents of Bent County won't have the option to
go to their sheriff if they just say we're not
acknowledging the law. So while I get the stance of
certain counties saying we don't believe this law is just,
the impact is to the individual who wants to go
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out and try to exercise their Second Amendment rights. And
that's where I as a sheriff, I'm struggling right now.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I know, I know. And what does a gun dealer
do who wants to sell a semi automatic rifle to
one of their customers yet they don't actually have the authority. Now,
there's a lot of issues facing gun dealers in the state. Now,
I'm a gun dealer, sure, and though I don't do
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a lot of retail sales, you mostly use it for
giveaways and such. But still, it's it's very problematic that
we could even that you can be a dealer in
this state anymore. It's it's that bad. Yeah, I think
you're right, though, what do you do as a sheriff?
I mean, you don't want to administer it, but you
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also know if you if you just go ahead and
do whatever the state tells you to, it's on our
late office.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, So it's a it's a very tough balancing act
and quite frankly, you know, the bill left so many holes.
We're trying to figure out what Colorado Parks and Wildlife
are going to establish, is what the you know, the
training requirements are going to be, What kind of fees
are they going to wanting to impose, Who's going to
collect those fees. I mean, there's a lot to uncover
with this, but I can tell you that Weld County
our stance on it right now has been that if
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we are going to administer that this, we're not going
to add any additional fees on it from the county.
So it'll still be a process where if you do
have to come in and get this stupid card so
you can go take a class, you're not gonna have
to pay to do so. But I can tell you
they're going.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
To have a card to take a class to that
two day, twelve hour class, to then wait three days
and then wait and then go to the share and
go to buy the gun and show the classic go
through another background check. It's pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah, there's a lot of twists and turns to buying
a gun in the state of Colorado, and it's going
to get way more complicated come August first of twenty
twenty six. But we've got a little bit of time
to try to figure out how to, you know, unpack
this thing and make it as palatable as possible. But
I don't honestly think there's a good method for that.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Well, i'll tell you where we're going. There's one other
piece of hope for Coloradom's And actually I told Governor
Polis this. He called me a few hours after he
signed the bill, and I respectfully read him the Riot
Act and I and to be honest, I I looked
at it and said, the Pittman Robertson funds, which is
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a federal excise tax that you pay when you buy
a gun. It's eleven for sent when you buy a
gun or ammunition, and it goes into the federal trough
and then it returns some of it returns back to Colorado. Well,
last year is thirty four million dollars. But that Act
actually says if you don't spend the money on these
items which are which are hunting, conservation, those kind of things,
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all the if you divert it to something else, all
that money is bullied on you not get the money.
Thanks for Washington, DC talking to people.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So yeah, we got to We got the hard break here.
So Dudley, thanks for coming on with us, President of
Ourking Mountain Gun Owners. You're listening to the Dan Kafla show.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to The.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Dan Caplis Show, and today you're stuck with good old
Sheriff Steve Riams again filling in from Weld County, Colorado.
Dan's off at trial for I think most of the week,
so I've got Monday and Tuesday. I'm not sure who's
coming the rest of the week, but we'll get to
regroup and kind of cover some of the things we've
discussed in the past, and definitely have some new topics
on the agenda as well. Today we're going to have
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Dudley Brown, the president of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners right
about the four thirty six hour, and in the second
hour we're going to have Aaron Casey's the owner of
Phoenix Weaponry from up and Bright I'm sorry, up in Birtha, Colorado.
He does custom firearms, build some amazing stuff, but I
really wanted to talk with him about the impacts of
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some of the laws in this state. Are having on
his business what it looks like to be an owner
of a gun store in Colorado, Northern Colorado, and just
you know, basically, how do you navigate what is the
state of Colorado right now? And then of course Dudley
Brown with Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, there are no compromise
Second Amendment advocacy group and sometimes they take some heat
(01:21):
for the stances that they take. And over the weekend,
the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners definitely went on a little
bit of a tear for a particular state representative, Ryan Armagost,
who is the minority whip at the State House, and
kind of called him out on some of his stances
on some different gun bills. So we've had Ryan Armagust
on the show before and figured, well, let's hear the
(01:42):
other side of the equation. We'll have again Dudley Brown,
the president of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners on at the
four thirty six hours. So that should be entertaining, especially
if you follow Rocky Mountain Gun Owners on any of
the social media platforms. I follow them on Facebook, and
they were entertaining, we'll say, with some of the video
as they put up. I would assume that people who
are big fans of Ryan Armagoss may not have found
(02:05):
the videos is entertaining, but regardless, you know, that's how
the political realm goes a little bit of back and forth.
But if you've been listening to Ryan's show or any
of the shows over the weekend, you'll know that Dan
put out a promo for today's show kind of talking
about a topic he had had on last Friday, which
was the case over in a Rapahoe County involving the
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we'll say, the careless death or the unnecessary death of
a young lady named Caitlyn Weaver, twenty four year old
female killed in twenty twenty four by an unnamed illegal
alien who is a teenager who was doing ninety miles
an hour through a residential area and t boned into
Caitlyn Weaver. Obviously, she was killed on impact. And the
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shocking part of this is there was definitely a transition
from one DA to another and Amy Padden got elected
in this past January, I believe, and when she took
over the office, unbeknownst to her, allegedly a deal was
struck with the suspect in this case and he basically
just got probation for his actions, and you know, there
(03:11):
was a lot of talk back and forth. In fact,
I'm going back and reading some of the text messages
from last Friday. You guys were, as Dan would say
in Fuego, over that particular ruling or that particular decision
as to why this individual would only get a probation
sentence and never do any jail time and basically walk
away from this incident unscathed. There's even a question of
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whether he was driving the jeep that he crashed legally
or if he had stolen it from his parents. So
you know, you add those factors in and the question
always has to be asked, why was the punishment so
light in this particular incident other than just the fact
that this is a teenage kid. But what message are
we sitting in the state of Colorado when we have
a legal system that basically gives a pass to someone
(03:58):
who takes the life of another recklessly, and we'll just
say unnecessarily just because he's a teenager and out acting
like a fool. I've got three boys, a twenty seven
year old, an eighteen year old, and a thirteen year old.
Two of those are obviously drivers. My oldest son wrecked
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probably every car that he had for the first four
or five, but did so in learning phases, and every
time he was held accountable for his own actions. He
didn't get away scott free. He had to buy his
next car. He had to deal with the insure and ramifications.
And that's what you would expect for anybody in this state.
But when you take the life of another person, you
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don't get a free pass. You don't get to walk away.
But that's what this particular person got. So I heard
you guys calling in last week. You're asking some questions
of Dan, you know, kind of what he looked at
the case, Where he looked at the case from. I
would definitely like to tell you where I look at
the case from and debate this with you again. You
can text him. You can text Dan at five seven
seven thirty nine or call in at three O three
seven one three eight two five five if you want
(05:04):
to talk about this case. I'm more unhappy to go
back and forth with you on it. I don't think
the punishment fit the crime. This kid didn't get nearly
what he deserved. And I say that he's a kid,
he's a juvenile, but he made an adult decision, and
he deserves some adult punishment. I don't know how long
he should go away, but probation is definitely not enough.
But why we wait for you guys to decide if
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you want to call in on that particular issue. There's
no lack of stories to discuss that have happened over
the weekend. If you've paid any attention to the news,
And it doesn't matter what outlet you choose, Fox, CNN, whatever,
We've got them both up here in the studio. We
had the issue of ten escapees out of a New
Orleans jail. I think it was originally reported as eleven
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or twelve. They didn't know how many had escaped. They
had to go back and count the jail a couple
of times, but ten inmates escaped that were charged with
some pretty heinous crimes all the way for all the
way up to murder charges. And they did so by
breaking through rye wall behind a toilet and basically scaling
a wall and hopping out onto the street and fleeing
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the jail. The sheriff's response was, well, there's got to
be some inside help to these guys. I'd say the
inside help was the fact that they went about ten
or twelve hours without being checked. And as a person
who runs a jail or is responsible for running a jail,
this whole thing flies in the face of what every
sheriff is duty bound to do in most jurisdictions. That's
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the most costly thing that a sheriff oversees as a
jail and to hear ten ten inmates break out of
a jail all together. And I think as of now
they've caught three and seven are still at large. This
was so brazen they left notes on the wall saying, lol,
good luck, We'll see you next time. Whatever. It's embarrassing
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for law enforcement as a profession. I cannot believe that
the sheriff down there, female sheriff.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Went on a.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Camera basically blamed this is being some kind of inside job.
No remorse, no taking credit for it from her agency,
of hey, we just messed this up. It was all
about how these unruly individuals had some help and escaped.
So in the meantime, there's seven potential killers running around
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the streets of New Orleans, and that may not really
add a lot to the numbers because New Orleans is
a little bit known for crime, but regardless, seven people
who were in jail are out of jail running around
unchecked right now. Three were captured, but again seven still out.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Have you ever dealt with a jail break yourself, sheriff?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
So not as a sheriff, but we did have an
individual that managed to get out of jail under the
previous sheriff's tenure, and I will tell you that the
response was very different. Inside of my organization. It was
all hands on deck. I was fortunate enough to be
in Sturgis, South Dakota when that particular issue happened, and
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I was still asked to respond and come back if necessary. Luckily,
they caught the guy within I think it was about
eight or ten hours, but they were on his trail
right away. We had some some good citizens that reported
seeing a suspicious person running across the field and that
kind of led us to where we needed to be.
But he didn't break through a dry wall wall inside
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of a jail. I can't believe there'd be a dry
wall wall in a jail for someone to break through.
Most of those places are made out of I don't know,
concrete and block and steal. So yeah, there's just failures
from the top to the bottom on this one. But
you can comment on that one too. Again, you can
text in Dan five seven seven three nine or call
(08:42):
in at three O three seven one three eight two
five five.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So two questions go for Kelly, I knew.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Have you seen the Shawshank.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Red Yes, it's a great move, okay.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And then secondarily, were you riding a Harley?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Of course I was riding off early Inurgis. There's no
other motorcycle that you should ride in Sturgis in my opinion,
but that's the only kind of motorcycle I owned. So yes,
that's what I was riding in Sturgis, one of many
that I've owned over the years. And Strawshank redemption, at
least they had to work at it for a while.
He had to mule his rock wall out through the
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pockets of his pants for months at a time. He
didn't bust through a sheet rock wall, So you know,
I mean, not even comparable, but I get the reference.
Also over the weekend's let's just go to a little
bit of sad news. The Denver Nuggets got destroyed. And
when we're talking about crime, that looked like it almost
should have been criminal. That was a bad performance I
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will say Aaron Gordon gutted it up and he played
the game that they needed him to play despite having
a torn hamstring. But I only bring this up because
Dan kept saying he knew what the outcome was going
to be, but he wasn't going to tell any of
us because he didn't want to ruin the ending of
the game. I wish he would have. He would have
saved me so much time I could have done something else.
I'd have had so much more room for activities and time
(10:06):
for activities. But instead Dan took that to the weekend
and didn't bother sharing with all of us that we
could have saved our time and not ruined it on
the thirty two or thirty three point loss. So yeah,
we we got no more teams in the playoffs because
of the Rockies. I think are already officially eliminated. So
this isn't a sports show but sad news. Nonetheless, with that,
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I think what we'll do is cut to break. When
we come back, We'll let you guys load up on
any text or phone calls you might have about the
two topics we've thrown out, but there's plenty more. We
got Joe Biden we've got James Comy. We've got a
whole bunch of other things we can cover. So if
you don't want to talk about car crashes and jail escapes,
we'll talk about Joe Biden and James Comy. You can
(10:50):
text in Dan five seven seven three nine or call
in at three O three seven one three eight two
five five. We'll go to break load up those phone lines,
send your texts in and we'll we'll get to it
after this break. You're listening to the Dan Capless Show
here on six point thirty K how.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And now back to the Dan Kapless Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Here's the thing. You will give us so much extra
space in our room to do activities, so many activities.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Welcome back to the Dan Caplis Show. And you're sitting
in today with Sheriff Steve Reems cover and it's always
a pleasure to be here. But it's even more of
a pleasure when Ryan comes back in with some music
like that and gives me so much more room for activities.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Here's the sad part.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Sheriff frames Kelly had no idea what that reference was
to a room for activities. And then when I was
playing and I was editing that from Step Brothers. The
scene She's like, oh, that's a stupid movie.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Well I called it, which is which is?
Speaker 6 (11:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Thank you? Yeah, I take that absolutely every day. One
of my favorite all time movies.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
So while we were at break, someone tried to pick
a fight here I get dan. Indian motorcycles, I personally
think are better and more American than a Harley. There's
an Indian motorcycle documentary you should watch, shows why Harley
is more popular now. Harley cheated and making bikes in
World War Two. I love it when this thing goes
back and forth because you know, the great American motorcycle
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is the Harley Davison, you know, and Indian's okay, especially
if it's an old one, but the new ones are
basically made by Polaris, and you know, I own a
Polaris ATV, but I don't want to own a Polaris
motorcycle on the roads?
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Was it there thoughts, hints and allegations that Harley had
gone woke?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
There was that, yeah, yeah, but then that changed though,
right well.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So very quickly Harley realized, I think we've made a mistake,
and unlike Bud Light said you know, let's just get
rid of this guy who's trying to take us down
the woke path and got back to their roots, I believe.
But regardless, I love the motorcycle I have. It's the
best motorcycle I've ever owned. It's a twenty twenty two
road Glide. I love it. It's great out on the
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road again just a It's a phenomenal piece of machinery.
And if you don't like it, that's okay. It's my
favorite motorcycle. And to whoever this Indian guy is, I'm
sure you have a beautiful Indian motorcycle and you can
keep it.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
So.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Having said all that, lots of stuff went on over
the weekend. You know, what do you say about the
news with Joe Biden. We find out that, you know,
he's got prostate cancer, and this is right on the
tails of the Robert Hurr report being being pushed out
and kind of finding out some of these stumblings that
Joe Biden had. Ryan, you highlighted all this great in
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your show for the previous two hours. Some of the
audio is just it's painful to listen to because not
because you can't hear it as well as you'd like,
But it's just embarrassing to think that a sitting president
in a criminal investigation was responding so poorly to a
person who was quite honestly just asking him some very
i'll say, softball questions. He was not attacking him, it
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was not interrogating him. Was definitely just asking some softball questions.
And President Biden couldn't get to the meat of what
he was being asked. And so you think, Okay, was
the dementia setting in at that point. I think it's
pretty glaringly apparent that it was. And then we find out,
you know, hey, he's also dealing with cancer, and it
probably isn't something that just sprung up in the last
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five months. This is something he's probably been dealing with
for quite some time, which you know, pulls at your heartstrings.
I don't I don't wish cancer on anybody. I don't
wish dementia on anyone, especially our sitting president at the time.
But it does make you wonder who was running the country.
And just as a point, if we could go to
cut five, Ryan a little bit about is it's probably
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not possible that this that this cancer was not known about.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
A little sooner can this test miss it.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Given the fact that the answer is of course, but
given the fact that he has an annual exam pass
is unlikely to miss it, given the fact that it's
a glease in nine, which means it's pretty wild looking
in the sense of underneath it doesn't look like a
normal process cancer. A prostate cell looks like a prosse
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cancer cell, which is looks more of you know, atypical. Uh.
It's it's not likely that his prostate specific antigen, his
p s A, which is the test we're talking about,
would have been in the normal range. It would have
been elevated above four. And that is a that does
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say you should do something about it.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
That's doctor Emmanuel kind of given a breakdown of you know,
how how long Joe Biden could have had prostate cancer
and had gone undetected and then now be discovered in
the in the state that it is very hard to
hard to believe. But regardless, you know, I think, you know,
we all wishing to get better, we all wishing to
pull through this. I wouldn't wish cancer my worst enemy,
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and Joe Biden, you know, he definitely isn't my worst
enemy by any sense of the word. But you know,
just because just because of the political climate, were and
you have to believe that there was more going on
behind the scenes. People knew what was happening, and I
as a voter, I as a US citizen, would really
like to know who was running the country at the time,
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because it's glaringly apparent when you hear the Robert Hurr
audio and then you kind of find out through these
medical challenges that Joe Biden was dealing with, that he
was just a shell that they were kind of holding
out in front of the public. And I hate that
because that's not what the president of the United States
should be. You know, we're seeing the polar opposite of
that right now with President Trump flying all over the world,
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going to the Middle East and securing business deals, and
then you know, in the meantime, we'd have Joe Biden
going to beaches in Delaware every other weekend or every
weekend sometimes. But to prove that this thing is kind
of something that's stuck around a little longer, Ryan, if
you could go to cut one where Biden implies that
he's dealing with cancer.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
That's why so damn any other people I grew up
have cancer and why I can't.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
For the longest time, Delaware had the highest cancer rate
in the nation.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
And that got turned into well he was talking about
skin cancer, and it was you know, he just misspoke,
and that was again Kreem John Pierre, how do you
say her name was out there? You know, given an excuse,
and it was like, come on, is that really what's happening?
And then we can go to the Tucker Carlson. We'll
call it a spot too.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
I have cancer, Joe Biden said, and I got it
from growing up in Delaware. And with that, Biden left
the stage, taking no questions about his condition. What kind
of cancer does Joe Biden have? What is his long
term prognosis? And is Delaware really that bad? Parts of
it are not beautiful? That is true, but can an
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entire state be a carcinogen? At this point, we can't
say we are hearing word tonight that Biden may have misspoken, rattled,
no doubt, but the rest of his diagnosis it is
likely that in fact it's not cancer Joe Biden is battling,
but dementia.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Simple mistake.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
And I remember Tucker Carlson got railed over this because
he was making a joke out of a cancer diagnosis.
And you know, whether or not Joe misspoke a little
bit or President Biden misspoke a little bit, we'll come
to find out, you know, fast forward a little bit,
and it looks like Tucker Carlson may have been a
little more on point, and we were just being lied
to as we became very accustomed to over the last
(18:28):
four years. So, you know, with all that being said,
we're going to tear into some other stories here as
soon as we come back from break. Dudley Brown with
the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners. You're listening to Dan Caplis
here on six point thirty k how.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Welcome back to the Dan capless Show. You got well
Kenny Sheriff Steve Reeen sitting in the driver's seat today
or maybe the writer's seat today since we've been talking
about Harley's and Indians and motorcycles in general. But on
the line with us, we have a very special guest.
We have the president of the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners,
Dudley Brown. Dudley, how are you doing today?
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Here? You doing?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'm doing excellent, So Dudley, i'd text you last week
because I saw that Rocky Mountain Gun Owners were doing
a series of videos or posts that I was seeing
on Facebook, and the t's was one of nine or
two of nine videos. And these videos were centered around
Representative Ryan Armagust, and you guys had some text to
(19:34):
go with it, kind of highlighting your displeasure with him
over the way he handled some by the way you
believe he handled some gun bills down at the state legislature.
But what was more shocking is, quite frankly, I didn't
know that Representative Ryan Armagost had the proclivity of air
humping quite as much as as he was doing in
many of these videos. And I don't know how to
say that any differently, a hip thrusting, whatever you want
(19:57):
to call it, but that seemed to be the theme
in many of these videos. So, Dudley, what got mister
Armagost on your radar screen there at the Rocky Mountain
Gun Owners.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Well, as of course you know, and many of your
listeners probably know, Rocky Mountain Gun Owners RMGO is the
largest gun rights group. They're really only real gun rights
group in the state of any size, and we've been
around for a long time, and I've been doing it
for way too long, thirty two years now, and I
(20:29):
we were kind of frustrated, of course, with demographic changes,
and everyone's frustrated with the way the legislature has turned, right,
I know you are, and anybody with any conservative bones
in their body has got to be frustrated. But as
an organization, our main role is to kind of steer
that fight. And so last year when the AsSalt Weapons
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Band came up, we fought, fought very hard, spent a
lot of money somewhere in the neighborhood of three hundred
thousand to defeat the what was at that point an
assault weapons ban, and we were successful. But of course
this year they came with a renewed push. They started
out as an assault weapons ban and quickly turned it
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into a permit to purchase built scheme. And yeah, and
without going into all the details of it, we were
committed to try and defeat it. It's by the way,
that same legislation are very close to it is right
now being on the governor's desk in the state of Washington,
and they're fighting and we're actually our national group is
(21:34):
fighting against that. So ARMNGO really was looking at the
fight and realizing we've got to do everything we can
to defeat this. We knew it was coming up even
before the session started. In fact, we had meetings with
some of the other smaller let's call them activist groups
and told many of them that we would fund their
efforts if if it made if it made sense, and
(21:57):
they had they had ideas on ways to put pressure
on the legislature. See, our attitude is pressure on politicians
is the only real thing that wins. Logic doesn't win.
None of the no amount of producing studies is going
to change their mind. The only thing you can really
do is put pressure showing them that they might lose
(22:19):
their next re election so they vote wrong on this.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
If I could take you back to the high capacity
magazine ban that happened in what twenty thirteen, I think
you guys were pretty successful at rolling a few legislators
after that and showing that you know, there are some
teeth to voting wrong, or if you vote wrong, here's
the teeth that you get. Am I correct?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yeah, yeah. Five five Republicans voted wrong on a repeal
of the twenty thirteen magazine ban and two years later,
in twenty fifteen, we tried to repeal it, and we
tried a procedural move in the legislature, and five House
Republicans actually opposed us, saying they that that's not the
way we do things around here. You know, you've got
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to use proper procedure. Now, I don't know. I didn't
raise my hand and swear an oath to follow the tegure.
I thought it was the Constitution last time I checked.
And I don't give two rats butts about procedure. And yeah,
those none of those five Republicans returned in the next election,
and we make darn sure of it now.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So that takes us to where we're at today with
what I think the tactic that you guys are looking
at with Representative arm of goth So you got these
nine videos, nine postings that kind of detail out your
guys' opinion of where he's at on Senate Bill III
and some other bills. So tell us what that what
that opinion is.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Well, we really labeled him the Rhino of the Session
Republican name only largely because the Representative Arma Gost had
installed himself as the House Second Amendment Caucus chairman. Which
I don't even know if there are two members of
the House Second Caucus chairman or House Second Men Caucus itself.
(24:04):
But he had basically held himself up as this leader,
and frankly, as we talked to him and asked him
what his plans were as Senate Bill three was winding
its way through committees onto the House side had already
passed the Senate, he really didn't have a plan. In fact,
as minority whip, he didn't even pay attention to the
(24:25):
fact that three of the Republicans who were the more
stauncher Republicans opposing the bill were gone. They were excused
from being there, which is your job as the minority whip.
So we actually got on the horn and got one
of them back and two of them on camera on
zoom call, so they could at least be a part
of the fight. And so we kind of did his job.
(24:48):
But the big problem was we had spent almost one
hundred thousand dollars fighting this and went direct connect, phone calls,
all kinds of things. And while well, I love to say, uh,
I don't like the light of gun owners, because I don't,
I also know I will use every uh, every trick
(25:09):
I know in the book to defeat gun control like that,
and that's what we did. We were working with all
kinds of people. We're even working with the NRA, which
doesn't happen often, but but we worked very hard at it,
and leading up through the committees onto the floor action,
we had gone into districts and put literature on people's doors.
(25:32):
We didn't knock on them, We just put them on
doors and we kind of cherry picked a little bit
so that will get their attention to these targeted legislators.
And these are Democrats who we could vote with us,
and we and we we were doing it on their
on their front doors and trying to get their attention
that hey, if we can do this during the legislative season,
guess what we can do during election seasons. We can
(25:53):
arrange to make sure people are dropping your whole district. Well.
Representative Armagous actually went to the Democrats and started telling
them what we were doing. He literally was telling the
Democrats that, oh, those guys are going door to door.
And then he came out and publicly said we need
to keep politics in the Capitol. Now, Steve, you and
(26:16):
I both know that conservatives have zero power in that capital.
The only power we have is with we the people
out in the districts.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Well, and that's what voting should reflect, is out in
the public.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Yeah, and anybody with two brain cells to rub together
can understand that that was a ridiculous statement, because of course,
what do politicians do when they run for office. They
go knocking on doors, they walk in the districts, And
we do the same thing because we want we want
the people in the district to apply pressure directly to
their legislator. And that's what we're doing. Well, Representative Armagus, basically,
(26:54):
all that pressure we built up, he released, hit the
release valve and gave the Democrats an excuse and then yes,
and they they the only chance we had a beating
Senate Bill three really in the House on the floor,
and he rid the pooch And honestly, he's the guy
who passed it. Now he can run around and and
(27:17):
you know, thump his chest and do air humping whatever.
My younger staffers found that on TikTok, which I don't
even know how to get on TikTok, I anmurds you want,
but but but they thought it was pretty funny, and
I thought it was a little I'm like, wow, I
don't know if I even want to put that up there,
But we were illustrating the point that this is not
(27:37):
a serious person with no real strategy and frankly, apparently
no principles. He was more interested in currying favor with
the people who voted against us and passed this bill
than he was with defeating it and shutting his mouth
and doing what he's told, which is we're the guys
leading that fight, and and frankly, he didn't want to
coordinate it at all with us. We love unity when
(28:00):
the Second Amendment community all stands together. In fact, I'm
doing it right now and with the Reconciliation bill in
Congress and the budget, working with the NRAA, working with
Gunners of America, even working with the White House. But
not when they stab you in the back, those are
not the guys you want in the fox will next
to you.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So what kind of feedback have you guys been getting
from kind of your calling out of Representative Arma Gosta.
You know, I can see some of the comments on Facebook,
but I'm sure I'm not seeing nearly the feedback that
you're getting inside the organization.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Well, we did have. We had certainly a little bit
of feedback. We all, let's not talk about this, this
only hurts our side, and like, well, no, actually, we
waited until after the session, so all the damage was
done to discuss this, and we think that's certainly the
appropriate way to do it. And the simple fact is
(28:55):
we went to Republican leadership during all this and said,
you guys better get a handle on your members because
this isn't going to go well. And lo and behold,
it's not going well. Most people were saying he needs
to resign, and he was not going to do that,
but because I'm pretty sure this is his life now.
But our attitude is we hold politicians accountable whether they
(29:18):
have an R or a D next to their name,
and we don't back off just because they have an
R next to their name or they claim to be
pro gun. We had actually supported a representative armor Gospel
the fact check last election cycle in the hopes to
kind of create some unity, and then he did this,
And so we forgive a lot of things in politics,
(29:39):
but stabbing gun owners in the back at the last second, no,
we don't forgive that. You can ask God for that,
but we don't.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Dudley, would you mind holding out over for a break
and so we can just close out a couple of
things in this last segment. If you just stick with
us to the break, I think I think the listeners
would like to hear your take on where Center Bill
three will end up. We'll cut the break. You're listening
to the Dan Capless Show here on six point thirty.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
KF and now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Well, Kenny Sheriff Steve Reins setting in the driver's seat today.
Before we went to break, we were talking with Dudley Brown,
the president of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, and he's stuck
with us through the break, So we'll get right back
to you. Dudley, I wanted to ask you where do
you think Senate Bill three ends up. We know it's
been signed into law and you know we're gonna have
to deal with the ramifications of it for a little while.
But does this thing hold up? Does it stand constitutional
(30:30):
muster in your opinion?
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Well, unfortunately, if you read through some of the Heller decision,
it does actually justify some regulation of firearms. And so
most of the attorneys that we hire are a bit
skeptical that we can actually challenge it on straight up
constitutional grounds. Sure, there are some provisions of it that
(30:56):
are that could be can be challenged. Now here's our
big problem, Steve, is we can't actually challenge it until
someone harm Rentory challenge on this would be almost impossible.
We've learned that by challenging a whole series of things
that in advance, and one of them was a three
day waiting period in which we challenged it and a
(31:21):
judge kind of spanked us and said, you've really got
to wait until someone's been harmed. So but we are
looking at it right now and actually looking with a
number of other organizations to do a mutual suit. There
are some One of the big provisions that's very problematic
for the state is the concept that a sheriff could
(31:44):
just arbitrarily deny someone to go through this training class
just because they decided this person might be a harm
to themselves or others, or they don't like them for
that matter.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Are you given to that point? Dudley Bent County has
announced that they're just not going to interact with this law.
They're just going to ignore it, which will essentially mean
that residents of Bent County won't have the option to
go to their sheriff if they just say we're not
acknowledging the law. So while I get the stance of
certain counties saying we don't believe this law is just,
the impact is to the individual who wants to go
(32:22):
out and try to exercise their Second Amendment rights. And
that's where I as a sheriff, I'm struggling right now.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I know, I know. And what does a gun dealer
do who wants to sell a semi automatic rifle to
one of their customers yet they don't actually have the authority. Now,
there's a lot of issues facing gun dealers in the state. Now,
I'm a gun dealer, sure, and though I don't do
(32:47):
a lot of retail sales, you mostly use it for
giveaways and such. But still, it's it's very problematic that
we could even that you can be a dealer in
this state anymore. It's it's that bad. Yeah, I think
you're right, though, what do you do as a sheriff?
I mean, you don't want to administer it, but you
(33:10):
also know if you if you just go ahead and
do whatever the state tells you to, it's on our
late office.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, So it's a it's a very tough balancing act
and quite frankly, you know, the bill left so many holes.
We're trying to figure out what Colorado Parks and Wildlife
are going to establish, is what the you know, the
training requirements are going to be, What kind of fees
are they going to wanting to impose, Who's going to
collect those fees. I mean, there's a lot to uncover
with this, but I can tell you that Weld County
our stance on it right now has been that if
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we are going to administer that this, we're not going
to add any additional fees on it from the county.
So it'll still be a process where if you do
have to come in and get this stupid card so
you can go take a class, you're not gonna have
to pay to do so. But I can tell you
they're going.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
To have a card to take a class to that
two day, twelve hour class, to then wait three days
and then wait and then go to the share and
go to buy the gun and show the classic go
through another background check. It's pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah, there's a lot of twists and turns to buying
a gun in the state of Colorado, and it's going
to get way more complicated come August first of twenty
twenty six. But we've got a little bit of time
to try to figure out how to, you know, unpack
this thing and make it as palatable as possible. But
I don't honestly think there's a good method for that.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Well, i'll tell you where we're going. There's one other
piece of hope for Coloradom's And actually I told Governor
Polis this. He called me a few hours after he
signed the bill, and I respectfully read him the Riot
Act and I and to be honest, I I looked
at it and said, the Pittman Robertson funds, which is
(34:55):
a federal excise tax that you pay when you buy
a gun. It's eleven for sent when you buy a
gun or ammunition, and it goes into the federal trough
and then it returns some of it returns back to Colorado. Well,
last year is thirty four million dollars. But that Act
actually says if you don't spend the money on these
items which are which are hunting, conservation, those kind of things,
(35:20):
all the if you divert it to something else, all
that money is bullied on you not get the money.
Thanks for Washington, DC talking to people.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So yeah, we got to We got the hard break here.
So Dudley, thanks for coming on with us, President of
Ourking Mountain Gun Owners. You're listening to the Dan Kafla show.
You're on six point thirty km
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