October 7, 2025 • 34 mins
Erin Lee, founder of Protect Kids Colorado, joins Dan with an update on her case currently being considered by the Supreme Court of the United States (Jonathan Lee v. Poudre School District R-1).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
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single day on your favorite podcast platform. We're fighting really
well for the American way in the US Supreme Court today.
It was a beautiful thing to behold. And once again
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the US Supreme Court is going to step in and say, no, Colorado,
you're violating the law, Colorado legislature, Jared Polis, you're violating
the law. And thank God and the voters who elected
Donald Trump in sixteen, because that's really when the Supreme
Court was saved and our democracy saved as a result. Yeah,
thank god, We've got the Supreme Court to step in
and repeatedly slap down the left in Colorado for its
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law breaking on pretty big stuff like your freedom of
speech and your freedom of religion. As we continue to
break down Childs v. Sala's our argument to Supreme Court today,
let's go to Aaron Lee, and Aaron you got some
big time on ABC. Great job in that interview with
ABC News eron of course, founder of Protect Kids Colorado
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with a very compelling personal story as well, regarding her
daughter and the efforts of some to trans her daughter
Erin Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Hey Dan, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, so your take. I don't know if you had
a chance to listen to oral arguments today, but your
take on all that.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I didn't just.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Listen, but we were live streaming starting at seven thirty
am Friday, and do no harm and I so we
live streamed the hearing and we won. We are winning.
There's no doubt that they're going to overturn this latly
unconstitutional law that's harmed so many people, including my family,
as you alluded to.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, and tell people who haven't heard it a little
bit about that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So we twelve years old, our daughter was lured into
a secret club disguised as an art club and convinced
that she was actually a transgender boy, that her normal
pubesc at discomfort means she was born in the wrong body.
I needed to go down that path of chemical and
surgical mutilation and rejection of her biological sex and not
tell her parents. And thank god, we found out what
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was happening and sought help for her from a licensed
counselor and learn the hard way actually about this law
that was set forth by House Build nineteen Dash eleven
twenty nine that mandates all licensed counselors must only affirm
gender confused kids. They cannot help them through that mental
health distress.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
And I don't want to get caught up in the semantics,
but this just shows how dishonest and upside down this
whole thing is. So now it's called gender conversion therapy
if you're telling a girl she's really a girl, and
it's called gender affirming care if you're telling a girl
she's really a boy. How backwards can you get?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, you know, I maintain that gender isn't real. There's
no such thing. There are two sexes, zero genders, and
infinite personalities in ways you express your sex. But gender
isn't real. That's a made up term. And so you know,
gender affirming care is surely a euphemism for mutilation, for destruction,
for self reduction.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
And let's go a little deeper, because you're I think
one of the true experts out there, Aaron, and I
know you think about this all the time, especially with
this this personal crisis you faced, and thank God for
your involvement and your ability to save your daughter. But
why do you think this has become the holy grail
of the left, is to make little boys little girls
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and little girls little boys. How did this ever become
the hill they're willing to fight and die on. And
they just died on that hill in the last election.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And it is so hard to boil it down. But
I often say that all roads lead to Marxism, that
if we can confuse the whole generation about who they are,
we can convince them of anything. And you know, I
truly believe gender ideology is the state mandated religion of Colorado.
It's not just this law. They have legislated us to
death on the issue of gender ideology. They have compelled
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the speech of teachers of parents. And now at House
Bill thirteen twelve, every Colorado who is in a public
a place of public accommodation is beholden to this idea
that you can't call a man a man if he
doesn't want to be called a man, you cannot speak
biological truth or else face punishment from the state up
to four months in jail. This thirteen twelve law. If
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you call a man a man, and up to fifty
five thousand dollars in fines every time you use the
wrong name and pronouns. So they've really legislated us to death.
And so I think we will win this child's case.
I think we will overturn this law. But there is
so much work left to do to continue to undo
these unconstitutional laws that they just passed back to back
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since Fullus took office.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, and talk to us about what's going on. I
know we have these ballot measures that will be helpful.
I think, are you still waiting to find out if
Scotus is going to take your case?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yes, so our case, Lee versus Pooter, was at conference
on September twenty ninth, and so we were anxiously awaiting
that order list coming out on Monday yesterday, and we
weren't on it, which is a relief. We were not
rejected or denied by the Supreme Court. So they've kicked
the can down the road, you know, punted it to Friday.
Now we're redistributed for conference on the tenth, and I
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expect they might keep doing that because there are multiple
secret school transition cases working their way through the higher courts.
I know two have also appealed in addition to mine
to the Supreme Court, and so ours was the first
to be called to conference. But I assume that they
are going to compare and contrast these similar cases and
decide which ones to take. I do think they'll take
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up the issue, of course. I'm hopeful that it's our case,
and that the Pooter School District has made an example
of and held accountable for all the harm they've done,
not just to my kid, but so many others. I'm
confident that they'll take up the issue and very hopeful
that it will be our case. Ours is a little
bit different because our child experienced the secret club. It
wasn't just a gender transition. It was being deceived about
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what she was doing, us being deceived, and then there
was a pawner. So after we raised a complaint about
this secret sexuality club, another family their daughter was lured
in and they didn't learn for a whole year until
I went public that their daughter had been attending this
club and our daughters, within the same two week time frame,
both attempted suicide. My daughter left, he would say no,
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there's actually Drake Leach and attempted suicide. And at that
point they had no idea their daughter was even attending
this secret gender and sexuality club and they were blaming
themselves for what she was going through. But really, the
blood of their daughter is on the hands of the school.
And so I'm hopeful that the Supreme Court will take
multiple cases and really close every loophole on this air
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on this issue, because there's a lot of grey area
the school districts are operating in and we've got to
shut that down.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Barently our guests protect kids color. I don't know, Aaron,
let me ask you about a broader issue, because one
of the things I'm proud of is I've never been
a prisoner of any political party. You know. I've started
out a Democrat, I followed the facts and the truth
to be on an affiliated then Republican. But at the
end of the day, what I care most about is
stopping bad things and doing good things. And so I
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look at this issue that you're spearheading of parental rights
as being, if not the number one way, one of
the top two or three hopes for this state to
break free of this leftist rule. I'm not saying those
have to be Republican candidates. It could be Democrats who
decide they're going to break free from the left and
actually support the right thing. But how from your perspective
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do we mobilize parents across party lines in Colorado to say,
wait a second. You know your parental rights, that's like
the most important freedom you have in the world. Why
are you going to let this Colorado Democratic Party strip
it away from you?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, like you, I am someone who broke free from
the left as well. We were. I was a leftist
voter until they messed with my kid and I woke
up and started paying attention and asking questions. And I
think it's so important for people to understand that our
parental authority are our right to raise our children and
direct their education and upbringing. That's not a constitutional right.
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That's a god given, inalienable right that needs to be
affirmed by the Supreme Court. Because I don't think our
founding fathers could have even fathom that this right, this
fundamental right of families, would be so under attack that
they would need to explicitly write it into the Constitution.
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But that's where we found ourselves, and so we need
the Court to set precedent that this is a fundamental
and alienable right that belongs to all Americans. There is
no political spin to your right to raise your children.
As I said, I was a Democrat until I realized
that there was only one side that was standing up
for my god given parental authority, and that was the right.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, and politically, what's it going to take in Colorado?
Because the Left have made it clear at this point, hey,
we're taking your kid and there's nothing you can do
about it. Right, they come out and they actually put
a bill up that says, if you tell your little
girl she's a little girl instead of a little boy,
guess what you're going to lose custody. I mean, that
was the essence of that bill. I don't know how
more clear the left can make it that, Hey, you
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know you're not the parent. Yeah, you got to feed them,
you got to clothe them, you got to do everything else.
But at the end of the day, you know, we're
their daddy. So so when are the people of Colorado
going to see that?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I used to say that a lot more people are
going to have to get hurt before this gets better,
like me before I woke up and realized what was
actually happening. But I really see the pendulum starting to swing.
The other way. One really hopeful sign was that the
mainstream media featured me in these stories, ABC, PBS, CBS.
They all did fair and balanced pieces and accurately expressed
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my side of this issue. They even led with my
story in a few of those. And so that is
really heartening to think that people all over the board
are waking up. Those people who are working in mainstream
media are starting to put back and say no, we
have to show both sides. I really feel like the
pundulum the swinging. But what I've learned through these ballot
measures is we've got a lot of work to do
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in Colorado. That we are more asleep at the wheel
than most other states on these issues. Again, it's the
state mandag to religion. We've had it preached at us
and shoved down our throats. But we've got a lot
of work to do with citizens, just educating our neighbors,
just having conversations with our friends and family and our
own sphere of influence to say, hey, do you know
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that this is happening? Do you understand these laws has
been passed? And here's a way to undo it. Here's
a very easy way. You just take a petition, You
sign your name, you vote at the ballot box and
we can start to undo all of this damage that's
been done legislatively.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Aaron, let me ask how do people follow you on
social So I go.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
By Aaron for Parental Rights or erin number four parents
on X and then my organization is Protect Kids Colorado
at protect Kids Colorado dot org.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well, great work and look forward to the next one.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Thanks Jan, Thanks Aaron.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You take care of three or three seven three eight
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We'll talk more about this big US Supreme Court case
out of Colorado today about to be another victory for
parental rights, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion. Polis
will be slapped down again. You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
And now back to the Dankapless Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Glad you're a very big day in the US Supreme Court.
And if you've never done this, you know, if you
have a few minutes, you may want to go check
out the Supreme Court website. There's some media websites as
well that will have the sound of the oral argument
this morning. And I only got to hear maybe the
first forty minutes or so before I attended an oral
argument somebody else did in the Court of Appeals today
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in one of my cases. So I didn't haven't heard
the full oral argument yet, but it was clear to
me from the part I heard what I expected going in,
which is, once again, the US Supreme Court is going
to say to Jared Polis and the left in Colorado,
you're breaking the law, you're violating constitutional rights, and we're
going to reverse you. And that's what's happening here. So
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Chiles v. Salazar is the case. We've been breaking it
down with different guests today and it comes down to
this therapist who just you know, the treatment is just talking.
There's no surgery, no injections or anything like that. The
treatment is talking to kids who have gender confusion. And
she's often, from what I gather from the case, talking
to these kids and explaining why, no, hey, you're a boy,
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and you really are a boy, and here's how you
know to comfortably and thrive as a boy, etc. I'm paraphrasing,
and so obviously that speech right, and when Jared poul
Us in the left pass a law saying hey, you're
going to we're gonna convict you of a crime if
you tell a boy he's really a boy. That is
clearly just a viewpoint discrimination. It's infringing on the free
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speech rights, and so yeah, the US Supreme Court has
to stay and straighten it out. And I think it's
clear from the questioning today that's going to happen. So
great stuff. Will continue to get into depth on that,
take some textures as well. Let's go to Las Vegas,
New Mexico. Talk to Charles. You're on the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Welcome, Hi, Dan, longtime listener, former longtime Denver resident.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Boy.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
You got some rich topics today, But I think what
upsets me or elevates me the most.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
I'm not a Mormon, but I'm gonna tell you right now.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
I call on the SeeU to expel the students that
started that, and I call on the Big twelve to
to spend that team see you for one game because
I'm a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Now, Charles, how could you justify a suspension of the
team of the program for a game because of what
some students decided to do? And I agree with you,
it's abhorrent. It doesn't reflect on the whole student body
even remotely. How could you justify punishing the team for that?
Individual punishment because there's video, right, you can identify individual students. Yeah,
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I'm all for some pretty severe individual punishment there.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Well, I know, race, religion, sexual orientation, physical ability, this
against the law. You can make bigoted slurs like this,
and I just want the maximum possible action.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Well, and I'm all for that. But when you're talking
about you raise good points here, Charles, in terms of
an institution itself, If the institution itself had been involved
in religious discrimination, then you're right and you can punish the.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Inst I believe, see you was a strong academic place
who took the applications of people capable of doing something like.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
This well, and who legalized marijuana in Colorado, right, because
I have to believe Listen, you're gonna get some knuckleheads,
regardless drugs or whatever. I have to believe that people
with those anti Mormon slurs, I've got to believe a
large majority, if not all of them, were probably you know,
so impaired they were out of their minds, because what
kind of saying person would chant that kind of stuff.
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So I don't think you can bring it back to
the registrar unless you can prove evidentiary that Wait, a second,
there was something in the identifiable background of these kids
that would have caused us to know they were going
to do stuff like that. So Charles, I share your
outrage and I support really severe individual punishment for the
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individual students involved in that, But beyond that, I think
that would be unfair. Three or three someone three eight
two five five. If you agree with Charles, disagree with me,
we'll send the limo. Make your priority caller text DA
N five seven seven three nine. And Ryan, this goes
to this broader question of maybe I'm the only one
who cares. But listen, I grew up in Chicago, I
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went to sports in Chicago. I'm a trial lawyer. I
have lived a full life, hoped to live another eighty
years of a full life. I don't have sensitive ears.
I wish I didn't swear as often as I've sworn.
But the reality is there should be no place for
these obscenities among fans at sporting events. I think the
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refuse suck chance should not be allowed at these sporting events.
It's become the new normal, and I think all of
these major sports teams and college teams need to need
to crack down on that stuff and there needs to
be a mechanism in place, and many you know, you
can text a certain number of security can come by
this and that. But I think you need more than that.
I think you need I think you need some staff
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at these different sports venues, These staff that are proactively
involved in circulating through and they hear that stuff people
out and address it directly, so that Ryan's sitting there
at the game with his little nephew or whatever doesn't
have to raise his hand and say, hey, shut that
guy off a.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Little bit more.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
In terms of the surveillance part of it, I could
get behind that, Dan, But what students are on a
college campus to do, in my view is learn. And
so these students that were channing this ugliness, I would
rather than expel them, as Charles wants to do, I
would put them in an environment where maybe they could
learn something. Have them interact with members of the Mormon Church.
There are plenty of those around here right here in Colorado,
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and you know, expose them and broaden their minds and
build their horizons up a little bit more so that
they become better.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
People well, and go clean the gutters in the Mormon
Church now and do some hard labor around them. Mart
I mean, that's just outrageous stuff, but again doesn't reflect
on the institution, doesn't reflect on the student body, but
should be completely unacceptable. But hey, as we continue to
deep dive this really important Supreme Court case out of
Colorado today and what it says about this state and
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the secular radical lefties whoever so anti faith, so anti Christianity,
How did Christians in the state get rolled? How did
Christians ever give these people power? And what do we
need to do to take it back? You're on the
Dankpla Show.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. I just
don't even know why there aren't uprisings all of the country,
and maybe there will be.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
People need to start taking through the streets. This is
a dictator.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
There needs to be unrest in the streets for as
all as there's unrest in our lives.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
Enemies of the state, show me where it says that
protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Do something about your dad's immigrational practices effectless time they
go low?
Speaker 7 (18:37):
We how do you resist the temptation to run up
and ring her neck?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Biggest care thread in this courtray is white men, most
of them radicalized.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Up to the right. I thought you should have punished
him in the face. Isn't even if you you know.
And this montage goes on for about fifteen minutes. Right,
it's from the left, and it has been part of
the left's playbook for many, many, many years to use violence.
And violence takes different forms, right, it's not always physical violence,
but it's certainly that I've been the target of it.
Myself ended up and one of the few grand juries,
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at least back then they had in Boulder was you know,
when I was in student government and a group of
radicals got together and decided to target me for violence,
and you know they did. I ended up in the hospital,
they ended up in front of a grand jury. And
so this has been going on for a long time.
And the reason I mentioned it now, as you know,
we have another recent example, this J. Jones guy. And
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I know you don't care about who, nor should you
who the Democrat Attorney general candidate is in Virginia. But
what's interesting is not one of the prominent Democrats who've
endorsed J. Jones for office have withdrawn that endorsement since
the revelation that he had been in text wishing political
opponent would be shot in the head, wishing the political
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opponent's child would die in the political opponent's arms, things
like that. The Democrats don't back off it because they
know they can't win a fair fight, right, They can't
win an argument based on the facts, reason, logic, basic morality,
et cetera. So they've got to have this threat of
violence and maybe politics of personal destruction coming in the
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form of lies and other things, and cancel culture. But
very often, way too often. Once is too often it's physical,
and so I think we're about to see it get
even worse. Hard to imagine, right, but I think we
are because what's happening is, you know, America is shifting.
America is shifting away from the left because it's realizing
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this isn't their dad's Democratic Party or their grandfather's Democratic Party.
It's a bunch of lefty loonies, and they're shifting away
from that. And Trump's twenty twenty four victory will be
viewed historically as a big watershed moment in America. And so, yeah,
as the left gets more politically impotent, we don't feel
that as much in Colorado because it's such a lefty stranglehold.
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But so much of the country is seeing that shift,
and we're seeing more and more violence as the left
feels more and more politically impotent and they can't win
at the ballot box, so they're going to lash out violently.
Not each and every lefty right, but you're going to see, unfortunately,
more of these kind of attacks. Three l three seven
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seven seven three nine. If you just joined, thank you.
We've spent a lot of really enjoyable time on the
show going in depth on this very important case. The
US Supreme Court heard this morning once again out of Colorado,
once again Jared Poulis and the left in Colorado violating
the law, violating the Constitution, depriving people of their constitutional rights,
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and once again the US Supreme Court is going to
step in and slap down the lefties in Colorado. It's
clear from the justices questioning this morning that this therapist
out of Colorado, Springs and Chiles v. Salazar is going
to prevail and constitutional right to speak to her patients.
You know about Hey, Johnny, you really are a boy,
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and so you should feel comfortable in your body as
a boy that's going to be restored for the benefit
of all children and therapist in Colorado.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Now, Dan, you mentioned Justice Neil Gorstich earlier, and I
know he's one of your and my favorites, especially of
the three that President Trump has appointed. But do you
think he can help but feel this a little bit
more personally? All these cases three to zero three, Creative Masterpiece,
cake Shop Child v. Salazar, They might take up Aaron
Lee's case as well, being that Justice Gorsicch is from Colorado.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I think so for sure. But one of the things
that's marked Justice gorsicch career on the bench even before
he got there toscotis is courage. I mean, and he is.
And words never spoken on air anywhere before, Ryan, I'll
speak them here, and that is there should be a
statue for Mitch McConnell. And the reason for that is,
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remember it's Mitch McConnell who gave us Justice gorsic And
instead of uh, some other far left judicial appointment, right,
that was Mitch McConnell who saved that seat. And instead
of being Americ Garland appointment by Barack Obama, it was
a President Trump appointment of Justice Gorsic, and you think
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about how dramatically different America is because of that appointment.
And no, I'm an enormous fan of Justice Gorsic. And
I know every now and then you'll hear somebody say, Bud,
he you know he was with the majority on this
or dissented on that. Who cares? I mean, it is
a human process, and you're never going to have anybody
who is with you one hundred percent of the time
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on everything. If that's going to become the standard, now,
you got to start looking for a different planet.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Right.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
He's definitely my favorite when it comes to asking questions
or in the presentation of cases. He'll walk you through
like a metaphor or a for example type case and
he's you know what he's doing, And I have to
believe that those attorneys that are presenting before him know
what he's doing, but they don't necessarily know where he's going.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, he is just so good and intellectually fearless. Now,
I love it. I love listening to Justice Barrett question.
And again you all have some people say, well, she
came down this way in this case, in that way
in that case, so what so what you look at
her court judicial philosophy, and you look at her commitment,
as with Justice Gorsage, to just interpreting the law rather
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than making the law. And so people are going to
draw broad conclusions about a justice because the person believes
they got it wrong in a particular case. I just
think that's illogical. But I do think it comes back
to something really important historically, and that is the truth
that Donald Trump's voters saved American democracy in twenty sixteen.
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And that's undeniable because you're talking about three US Supreme
Court seats, and if those seats go to people who
have a different judicial philosophy, you know, the living constitution,
which turns into essentially legislating from the bench, we lose
our democracy because in every major important issue in America
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somehow is then turned into a constitutional determination that's made
by a super legislature made up of nine people who
you can't vote out of office. So our democracy was
saved by the people who elected Trump in twenty sixteen,
And obviously twenty twenty four was vital for other reasons,
but the big run of Supreme Court appointments, you know,
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flowed out of that twenty sixteen election. Pretty cool thing
to think about. Let's go to the phone lines. We'll
go to Windsor. Boy, we got a great dog out
of Windsor some really good kennels up there. When you're
on the Dan Kapli show, Welcome, Hey.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Thank you Dan. The reason I was calling is I'm
a thirty plus year season football ticket holder.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
At the see you wonderful.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Every game that I go to up there, I see obnoxious,
ignorant and rude student fans, and I recall the game
in November five when the officials stopped the game and
kicked out the entire student section. Were you at that game?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
No? No, no, I'm sorry I missed it. This was
November of five. Hey, do you remember who they played?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
It was the Nebraska game. Nebraska was ahead, and the
students didn't like it, naturally, and they started throwing snowballs
and bottles and everything imaginable lot on the field and
they got the officials stopped the game and had to
see you police clear out.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
The student Really wow, So you didn't know that?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Taking Einstein for the administration at CU to see that
there's been an issue for a long time with ignorant, rude,
obnoxious students well, when let.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Me ask you this as a thirty year season ticket
on which section are you in? By the way, because
we were in one eighteen for about five or thirty
years two seven okay, okay, So because my experience has
been my experience has been with the student section, starting
as a student, there has been that you're always going
to have a handful of idiots, right, probably every student section,
(27:17):
every stadium in the country. But I've never seen a
systemic problem like that. And I didn't know about this
business in five Were you there for the game against
BYU when there was were perfect champs.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I would not like to speak to that, but I
just envision them. It's there all the time. We played
Washington State one year, probably a dozen years ago. My
wife's from Washington State, so she went there wearing her colors,
and I'll tell you what, the obnoxious, rude things, the
statements that you couldn't speak go to the air were
(27:51):
levied at her by not only the students, but adults
up in our sexual I can't get her to go
back to a game ever since.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Oh man, I'm so sorry to hear that.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I think it reflective on the student body and the administration. Disgusting.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
We appreciate the call, especially from a thirty year season
ticket older. Thank you, my friend, because I have so
many great memories from Folsom and Buff games. And we
still go, not not every week, you know. When the
kids started to use sports, that's when we gave up
the season tickets after decades of having them, But we
still go up a bunch. Ryan. I remember one game,
(28:29):
and again I my personal experiences. It's not the whole
student it's a relative handful, but some disturbing stuff. But
one game I go and I bring Amy and this
guy comes out of the student section and just sits
down next to her. WHOA, he's attracted tour. He just
sits down next to he Audacity, Audacity I was. I
(28:50):
was trying to calculate whether I had enough friends to
raise the bail money. I was trying to compute, Okay,
I've got no criminal history. How many years am I
going to get for this offense versus that offense?
Speaker 8 (29:03):
You know?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But again I understood that wasn't the entire student body there, right, Yeah,
But anyway, the broader question is, and I want to
get to some textures on this as well, at least
when it comes to this fans stuff, is hey, should obscenity?
Should there be a clear bright line, whether we're talking
about ball, coursefield, you know what do they call it
(29:27):
these days, in power field, et cetera. Should there be
a clear bright line no obscenity from fans or is
that going too far? I think there should be that line.
And you know, I'm a rough and tumble guy. I
just think when you go to one of these these
major sporting events and you got all these kids, you
got women. I'm not trying to be sexist, but I
just don't think anybody should have to listen to that.
(29:49):
What do you think about the refuseuck chant, which appears
to be the generally accepted new normal. I don't think
they should allow that. You're on the Dan Kaplace Show.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
And now back to the Dan Campless Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I'd start up in our bad rather rusty. You're on
the Dan Campla Show.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
Welcome, Hey Dan, great to hear you on the radio.
So many of the stations now don't have the courage
to put real people on the radio though.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
You know, can you clean it up for radio? But say,
what the chance was at that game? I didn't. I
never have read it specifically f the Mormons. Oh okay, yeah,
all right, well that yeah, that figures. That's that's just
a microcosm of our society. I'm afraid it's you know,
(30:37):
that F word is just common. Sorry, I'm getting off.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
By twenty Be careful, Be careful.
Speaker 8 (30:45):
It's just, you know, it's it's like damn was twenty
thirty years ago.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, No, it's crazy.
Speaker 8 (30:52):
It's just it's everywhere, and it's it's just a function
of our just the unraveling of our society.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Friends.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
You know, there's no faith, no respect, no respect for elders,
no respect for family, no respect for governor government, no
respect for the police, the military, no respect for many institutions.
And I think, you know, it just is psych I said,
it's just the microcosm and the symptom of our whole
(31:20):
society unraveling. And it seems like maybe it'll get better,
but there's a there's certainly a major spasm of stuff
that's happening now that I think we'll have to get
through before that happens.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Great call, Rusty, I love that word spasm. To be
careful out there. I do think it's it's a coursoning
of society, which is bad for society, starting with the kids, right,
just just bad for the kids. And listen, I know,
anybody who knows me just kind of laughs when they
hear me say that, because I'm the opposite of pure.
(31:56):
But it's just the reality. It's the reality of our society.
And I've used plenty of bad words and Ryan will
tell you, and off air and some unguarded moments I
still do but also guilty. But the point is that
doesn't change the reality that this coursoning is bad for
society and the F word becoming and I think it's
(32:16):
it's even more common than you know, damn used to
be in We still don't say that on air routinely,
we shouldn't, but but yeah, that's not good for society,
and none of this coursoning is good for society. And
my personal believe Ryan is that across party lines, the
vast majority of people agree with that, but field there's
really nothing they can do about it, and that if
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somebody actually stood up against that, Let's say a major
sports team right now, major sports teams stood up and
said we're not allowing obscenity from fans in the arena anymore,
nothing that's audible to others. I think that they have
ninety eight percent of the population and probably about the
same percent of the fans at that game just standing
up and applauding them. But nobody wants to take that step.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
I don't know why, because if you're a fan, even
myself and I do indulge in some blue language here
and there at the bar watching a game, getting frustrated.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
But if you ask somebody, would you rather.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
Have foul language at the game express the way that
we're hearing it or not, you would choose not.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Right now how many kids are at the bar. Well,
but you're not going to say that it again, no, no,
but to me listen, and I can remember my dad
taking on I never heard him swear, you know, big tough,
strong Chicago police officer, never heard him swear. But I
saw him take on some guys. I saw him take
on some guys on the olt platform outside Wrigley Field.
(33:39):
I saw him take on some guys in a Denny's
who were swearing around the kids, I guess meaning us.
And then as I got older, swearing around my mom
and my sister, and I think we need to get
back to that you would never curse in an arena,
but it's common now you'll be saying a game and
whether you have a great experience, because some of the
(33:59):
greatest experiences we have as a family are at fill
in the blank, right, Rockies, Broncos, Nuggets, Abs. But now,
whether you have a great experience depends on whether you
end up sitting next to somebody who decides to F
this and F that the whole game. Well, f that right.
These lines have got to be drawn. Thank you, Ryan,
(34:22):
another great job, Thank you, Tarren Lee, Carrie Savarino. What
a tremendous show as we've broke down this big US
Supreme Court case that once again is going to go
in favor of your constitutional rights and against Jared Paulis
Ketcher tomorrow on The Dan Kapla Show.
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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well for the American way in the US Supreme Court today.
It was a beautiful thing to behold. And once again
(00:22):
the US Supreme Court is going to step in and say, no, Colorado,
you're violating the law, Colorado legislature, Jared Polis, you're violating
the law. And thank God and the voters who elected
Donald Trump in sixteen, because that's really when the Supreme
Court was saved and our democracy saved as a result. Yeah,
thank god, We've got the Supreme Court to step in
and repeatedly slap down the left in Colorado for its
(00:44):
law breaking on pretty big stuff like your freedom of
speech and your freedom of religion. As we continue to
break down Childs v. Sala's our argument to Supreme Court today,
let's go to Aaron Lee, and Aaron you got some
big time on ABC. Great job in that interview with
ABC News eron of course, founder of Protect Kids Colorado
(01:05):
with a very compelling personal story as well, regarding her
daughter and the efforts of some to trans her daughter
Erin Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Hey Dan, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, so your take. I don't know if you had
a chance to listen to oral arguments today, but your
take on all that.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I didn't just.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Listen, but we were live streaming starting at seven thirty
am Friday, and do no harm and I so we
live streamed the hearing and we won. We are winning.
There's no doubt that they're going to overturn this latly
unconstitutional law that's harmed so many people, including my family,
as you alluded to.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, and tell people who haven't heard it a little
bit about that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So we twelve years old, our daughter was lured into
a secret club disguised as an art club and convinced
that she was actually a transgender boy, that her normal
pubesc at discomfort means she was born in the wrong body.
I needed to go down that path of chemical and
surgical mutilation and rejection of her biological sex and not
tell her parents. And thank god, we found out what
(02:06):
was happening and sought help for her from a licensed
counselor and learn the hard way actually about this law
that was set forth by House Build nineteen Dash eleven
twenty nine that mandates all licensed counselors must only affirm
gender confused kids. They cannot help them through that mental
health distress.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
And I don't want to get caught up in the semantics,
but this just shows how dishonest and upside down this
whole thing is. So now it's called gender conversion therapy
if you're telling a girl she's really a girl, and
it's called gender affirming care if you're telling a girl
she's really a boy. How backwards can you get?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, you know, I maintain that gender isn't real. There's
no such thing. There are two sexes, zero genders, and
infinite personalities in ways you express your sex. But gender
isn't real. That's a made up term. And so you know,
gender affirming care is surely a euphemism for mutilation, for destruction,
for self reduction.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
And let's go a little deeper, because you're I think
one of the true experts out there, Aaron, and I
know you think about this all the time, especially with
this this personal crisis you faced, and thank God for
your involvement and your ability to save your daughter. But
why do you think this has become the holy grail
of the left, is to make little boys little girls
(03:25):
and little girls little boys. How did this ever become
the hill they're willing to fight and die on. And
they just died on that hill in the last election.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And it is so hard to boil it down. But
I often say that all roads lead to Marxism, that
if we can confuse the whole generation about who they are,
we can convince them of anything. And you know, I
truly believe gender ideology is the state mandated religion of Colorado.
It's not just this law. They have legislated us to
death on the issue of gender ideology. They have compelled
(03:56):
the speech of teachers of parents. And now at House
Bill thirteen twelve, every Colorado who is in a public
a place of public accommodation is beholden to this idea
that you can't call a man a man if he
doesn't want to be called a man, you cannot speak
biological truth or else face punishment from the state up
to four months in jail. This thirteen twelve law. If
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you call a man a man, and up to fifty
five thousand dollars in fines every time you use the
wrong name and pronouns. So they've really legislated us to death.
And so I think we will win this child's case.
I think we will overturn this law. But there is
so much work left to do to continue to undo
these unconstitutional laws that they just passed back to back
(04:38):
since Fullus took office.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, and talk to us about what's going on. I
know we have these ballot measures that will be helpful.
I think, are you still waiting to find out if
Scotus is going to take your case?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yes, so our case, Lee versus Pooter, was at conference
on September twenty ninth, and so we were anxiously awaiting
that order list coming out on Monday yesterday, and we
weren't on it, which is a relief. We were not
rejected or denied by the Supreme Court. So they've kicked
the can down the road, you know, punted it to Friday.
Now we're redistributed for conference on the tenth, and I
(05:12):
expect they might keep doing that because there are multiple
secret school transition cases working their way through the higher courts.
I know two have also appealed in addition to mine
to the Supreme Court, and so ours was the first
to be called to conference. But I assume that they
are going to compare and contrast these similar cases and
decide which ones to take. I do think they'll take
(05:33):
up the issue, of course. I'm hopeful that it's our case,
and that the Pooter School District has made an example
of and held accountable for all the harm they've done,
not just to my kid, but so many others. I'm
confident that they'll take up the issue and very hopeful
that it will be our case. Ours is a little
bit different because our child experienced the secret club. It
wasn't just a gender transition. It was being deceived about
(05:56):
what she was doing, us being deceived, and then there
was a pawner. So after we raised a complaint about
this secret sexuality club, another family their daughter was lured
in and they didn't learn for a whole year until
I went public that their daughter had been attending this
club and our daughters, within the same two week time frame,
both attempted suicide. My daughter left, he would say no,
(06:18):
there's actually Drake Leach and attempted suicide. And at that
point they had no idea their daughter was even attending
this secret gender and sexuality club and they were blaming
themselves for what she was going through. But really, the
blood of their daughter is on the hands of the school.
And so I'm hopeful that the Supreme Court will take
multiple cases and really close every loophole on this air
(06:39):
on this issue, because there's a lot of grey area
the school districts are operating in and we've got to
shut that down.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Barently our guests protect kids color. I don't know, Aaron,
let me ask you about a broader issue, because one
of the things I'm proud of is I've never been
a prisoner of any political party. You know. I've started
out a Democrat, I followed the facts and the truth
to be on an affiliated then Republican. But at the
end of the day, what I care most about is
stopping bad things and doing good things. And so I
(07:07):
look at this issue that you're spearheading of parental rights
as being, if not the number one way, one of
the top two or three hopes for this state to
break free of this leftist rule. I'm not saying those
have to be Republican candidates. It could be Democrats who
decide they're going to break free from the left and
actually support the right thing. But how from your perspective
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do we mobilize parents across party lines in Colorado to say,
wait a second. You know your parental rights, that's like
the most important freedom you have in the world. Why
are you going to let this Colorado Democratic Party strip
it away from you?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, like you, I am someone who broke free from
the left as well. We were. I was a leftist
voter until they messed with my kid and I woke
up and started paying attention and asking questions. And I
think it's so important for people to understand that our
parental authority are our right to raise our children and
direct their education and upbringing. That's not a constitutional right.
(08:08):
That's a god given, inalienable right that needs to be
affirmed by the Supreme Court. Because I don't think our
founding fathers could have even fathom that this right, this
fundamental right of families, would be so under attack that
they would need to explicitly write it into the Constitution.
(08:29):
But that's where we found ourselves, and so we need
the Court to set precedent that this is a fundamental
and alienable right that belongs to all Americans. There is
no political spin to your right to raise your children.
As I said, I was a Democrat until I realized
that there was only one side that was standing up
for my god given parental authority, and that was the right.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, and politically, what's it going to take in Colorado?
Because the Left have made it clear at this point, hey,
we're taking your kid and there's nothing you can do
about it. Right, they come out and they actually put
a bill up that says, if you tell your little
girl she's a little girl instead of a little boy,
guess what you're going to lose custody. I mean, that
was the essence of that bill. I don't know how
more clear the left can make it that, Hey, you
(09:13):
know you're not the parent. Yeah, you got to feed them,
you got to clothe them, you got to do everything else.
But at the end of the day, you know, we're
their daddy. So so when are the people of Colorado
going to see that?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I used to say that a lot more people are
going to have to get hurt before this gets better,
like me before I woke up and realized what was
actually happening. But I really see the pendulum starting to swing.
The other way. One really hopeful sign was that the
mainstream media featured me in these stories, ABC, PBS, CBS.
They all did fair and balanced pieces and accurately expressed
(09:48):
my side of this issue. They even led with my
story in a few of those. And so that is
really heartening to think that people all over the board
are waking up. Those people who are working in mainstream
media are starting to put back and say no, we
have to show both sides. I really feel like the
pundulum the swinging. But what I've learned through these ballot
measures is we've got a lot of work to do
(10:08):
in Colorado. That we are more asleep at the wheel
than most other states on these issues. Again, it's the
state mandag to religion. We've had it preached at us
and shoved down our throats. But we've got a lot
of work to do with citizens, just educating our neighbors,
just having conversations with our friends and family and our
own sphere of influence to say, hey, do you know
(10:29):
that this is happening? Do you understand these laws has
been passed? And here's a way to undo it. Here's
a very easy way. You just take a petition, You
sign your name, you vote at the ballot box and
we can start to undo all of this damage that's
been done legislatively.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Aaron, let me ask how do people follow you on
social So I go.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
By Aaron for Parental Rights or erin number four parents
on X and then my organization is Protect Kids Colorado
at protect Kids Colorado dot org.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well, great work and look forward to the next one.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Thanks Jan, Thanks Aaron.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You take care of three or three seven three eight
two five five text dam five seven seven three nine.
We'll talk more about this big US Supreme Court case
out of Colorado today about to be another victory for
parental rights, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion. Polis
will be slapped down again. You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
And now back to the Dankapless Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Glad you're a very big day in the US Supreme Court.
And if you've never done this, you know, if you
have a few minutes, you may want to go check
out the Supreme Court website. There's some media websites as
well that will have the sound of the oral argument
this morning. And I only got to hear maybe the
first forty minutes or so before I attended an oral
argument somebody else did in the Court of Appeals today
(11:48):
in one of my cases. So I didn't haven't heard
the full oral argument yet, but it was clear to
me from the part I heard what I expected going in,
which is, once again, the US Supreme Court is going
to say to Jared Polis and the left in Colorado,
you're breaking the law, you're violating constitutional rights, and we're
going to reverse you. And that's what's happening here. So
(12:09):
Chiles v. Salazar is the case. We've been breaking it
down with different guests today and it comes down to
this therapist who just you know, the treatment is just talking.
There's no surgery, no injections or anything like that. The
treatment is talking to kids who have gender confusion. And
she's often, from what I gather from the case, talking
to these kids and explaining why, no, hey, you're a boy,
(12:31):
and you really are a boy, and here's how you
know to comfortably and thrive as a boy, etc. I'm paraphrasing,
and so obviously that speech right, and when Jared poul
Us in the left pass a law saying hey, you're
going to we're gonna convict you of a crime if
you tell a boy he's really a boy. That is
clearly just a viewpoint discrimination. It's infringing on the free
(12:55):
speech rights, and so yeah, the US Supreme Court has
to stay and straighten it out. And I think it's
clear from the questioning today that's going to happen. So
great stuff. Will continue to get into depth on that,
take some textures as well. Let's go to Las Vegas,
New Mexico. Talk to Charles. You're on the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Welcome, Hi, Dan, longtime listener, former longtime Denver resident.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Boy.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
You got some rich topics today, But I think what
upsets me or elevates me the most.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
I'm not a Mormon, but I'm gonna tell you right now.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
I call on the SeeU to expel the students that
started that, and I call on the Big twelve to
to spend that team see you for one game because
I'm a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Now, Charles, how could you justify a suspension of the
team of the program for a game because of what
some students decided to do? And I agree with you,
it's abhorrent. It doesn't reflect on the whole student body
even remotely. How could you justify punishing the team for that?
Individual punishment because there's video, right, you can identify individual students. Yeah,
(14:05):
I'm all for some pretty severe individual punishment there.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Well, I know, race, religion, sexual orientation, physical ability, this
against the law. You can make bigoted slurs like this,
and I just want the maximum possible action.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Well, and I'm all for that. But when you're talking
about you raise good points here, Charles, in terms of
an institution itself, If the institution itself had been involved
in religious discrimination, then you're right and you can punish the.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Inst I believe, see you was a strong academic place
who took the applications of people capable of doing something like.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
This well, and who legalized marijuana in Colorado, right, because
I have to believe Listen, you're gonna get some knuckleheads,
regardless drugs or whatever. I have to believe that people
with those anti Mormon slurs, I've got to believe a
large majority, if not all of them, were probably you know,
so impaired they were out of their minds, because what
kind of saying person would chant that kind of stuff.
(15:14):
So I don't think you can bring it back to
the registrar unless you can prove evidentiary that Wait, a second,
there was something in the identifiable background of these kids
that would have caused us to know they were going
to do stuff like that. So Charles, I share your
outrage and I support really severe individual punishment for the
(15:36):
individual students involved in that, But beyond that, I think
that would be unfair. Three or three someone three eight
two five five. If you agree with Charles, disagree with me,
we'll send the limo. Make your priority caller text DA
N five seven seven three nine. And Ryan, this goes
to this broader question of maybe I'm the only one
who cares. But listen, I grew up in Chicago, I
(15:58):
went to sports in Chicago. I'm a trial lawyer. I
have lived a full life, hoped to live another eighty
years of a full life. I don't have sensitive ears.
I wish I didn't swear as often as I've sworn.
But the reality is there should be no place for
these obscenities among fans at sporting events. I think the
(16:21):
refuse suck chance should not be allowed at these sporting events.
It's become the new normal, and I think all of
these major sports teams and college teams need to need
to crack down on that stuff and there needs to
be a mechanism in place, and many you know, you
can text a certain number of security can come by
this and that. But I think you need more than that.
I think you need I think you need some staff
(16:44):
at these different sports venues, These staff that are proactively
involved in circulating through and they hear that stuff people
out and address it directly, so that Ryan's sitting there
at the game with his little nephew or whatever doesn't
have to raise his hand and say, hey, shut that
guy off a.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Little bit more.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
In terms of the surveillance part of it, I could
get behind that, Dan, But what students are on a
college campus to do, in my view is learn. And
so these students that were channing this ugliness, I would
rather than expel them, as Charles wants to do, I
would put them in an environment where maybe they could
learn something. Have them interact with members of the Mormon Church.
There are plenty of those around here right here in Colorado,
(17:23):
and you know, expose them and broaden their minds and
build their horizons up a little bit more so that
they become better.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
People well, and go clean the gutters in the Mormon
Church now and do some hard labor around them. Mart
I mean, that's just outrageous stuff, but again doesn't reflect
on the institution, doesn't reflect on the student body, but
should be completely unacceptable. But hey, as we continue to
deep dive this really important Supreme Court case out of
Colorado today and what it says about this state and
(17:52):
the secular radical lefties whoever so anti faith, so anti Christianity,
How did Christians in the state get rolled? How did
Christians ever give these people power? And what do we
need to do to take it back? You're on the
Dankpla Show.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. I just
don't even know why there aren't uprisings all of the country,
and maybe there will be.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
People need to start taking through the streets. This is
a dictator.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
There needs to be unrest in the streets for as
all as there's unrest in our lives.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
Enemies of the state, show me where it says that
protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Do something about your dad's immigrational practices effectless time they
go low?
Speaker 7 (18:37):
We how do you resist the temptation to run up
and ring her neck?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Biggest care thread in this courtray is white men, most
of them radicalized.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Up to the right. I thought you should have punished
him in the face. Isn't even if you you know.
And this montage goes on for about fifteen minutes. Right,
it's from the left, and it has been part of
the left's playbook for many, many, many years to use violence.
And violence takes different forms, right, it's not always physical violence,
but it's certainly that I've been the target of it.
Myself ended up and one of the few grand juries,
(19:10):
at least back then they had in Boulder was you know,
when I was in student government and a group of
radicals got together and decided to target me for violence,
and you know they did. I ended up in the hospital,
they ended up in front of a grand jury. And
so this has been going on for a long time.
And the reason I mentioned it now, as you know,
we have another recent example, this J. Jones guy. And
(19:33):
I know you don't care about who, nor should you
who the Democrat Attorney general candidate is in Virginia. But
what's interesting is not one of the prominent Democrats who've
endorsed J. Jones for office have withdrawn that endorsement since
the revelation that he had been in text wishing political
opponent would be shot in the head, wishing the political
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opponent's child would die in the political opponent's arms, things
like that. The Democrats don't back off it because they
know they can't win a fair fight, right, They can't
win an argument based on the facts, reason, logic, basic morality,
et cetera. So they've got to have this threat of
violence and maybe politics of personal destruction coming in the
(20:15):
form of lies and other things, and cancel culture. But
very often, way too often. Once is too often it's physical,
and so I think we're about to see it get
even worse. Hard to imagine, right, but I think we
are because what's happening is, you know, America is shifting.
America is shifting away from the left because it's realizing
(20:38):
this isn't their dad's Democratic Party or their grandfather's Democratic Party.
It's a bunch of lefty loonies, and they're shifting away
from that. And Trump's twenty twenty four victory will be
viewed historically as a big watershed moment in America. And so, yeah,
as the left gets more politically impotent, we don't feel
that as much in Colorado because it's such a lefty stranglehold.
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But so much of the country is seeing that shift,
and we're seeing more and more violence as the left
feels more and more politically impotent and they can't win
at the ballot box, so they're going to lash out violently.
Not each and every lefty right, but you're going to see, unfortunately,
more of these kind of attacks. Three l three seven
one three eight two five five text d an five
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seven seven three nine. If you just joined, thank you.
We've spent a lot of really enjoyable time on the
show going in depth on this very important case. The
US Supreme Court heard this morning once again out of Colorado,
once again Jared Poulis and the left in Colorado violating
the law, violating the Constitution, depriving people of their constitutional rights,
(21:44):
and once again the US Supreme Court is going to
step in and slap down the lefties in Colorado. It's
clear from the justices questioning this morning that this therapist
out of Colorado, Springs and Chiles v. Salazar is going
to prevail and constitutional right to speak to her patients.
You know about Hey, Johnny, you really are a boy,
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and so you should feel comfortable in your body as
a boy that's going to be restored for the benefit
of all children and therapist in Colorado.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Now, Dan, you mentioned Justice Neil Gorstich earlier, and I
know he's one of your and my favorites, especially of
the three that President Trump has appointed. But do you
think he can help but feel this a little bit
more personally? All these cases three to zero three, Creative Masterpiece,
cake Shop Child v. Salazar, They might take up Aaron
Lee's case as well, being that Justice Gorsicch is from Colorado.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I think so for sure. But one of the things
that's marked Justice gorsicch career on the bench even before
he got there toscotis is courage. I mean, and he is.
And words never spoken on air anywhere before, Ryan, I'll
speak them here, and that is there should be a
statue for Mitch McConnell. And the reason for that is,
(22:58):
remember it's Mitch McConnell who gave us Justice gorsic And
instead of uh, some other far left judicial appointment, right,
that was Mitch McConnell who saved that seat. And instead
of being Americ Garland appointment by Barack Obama, it was
a President Trump appointment of Justice Gorsic, and you think
(23:20):
about how dramatically different America is because of that appointment.
And no, I'm an enormous fan of Justice Gorsic. And
I know every now and then you'll hear somebody say, Bud,
he you know he was with the majority on this
or dissented on that. Who cares? I mean, it is
a human process, and you're never going to have anybody
who is with you one hundred percent of the time
(23:42):
on everything. If that's going to become the standard, now,
you got to start looking for a different planet.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Right.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
He's definitely my favorite when it comes to asking questions
or in the presentation of cases. He'll walk you through
like a metaphor or a for example type case and
he's you know what he's doing, And I have to
believe that those attorneys that are presenting before him know
what he's doing, but they don't necessarily know where he's going.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, he is just so good and intellectually fearless. Now,
I love it. I love listening to Justice Barrett question.
And again you all have some people say, well, she
came down this way in this case, in that way
in that case, so what so what you look at
her court judicial philosophy, and you look at her commitment,
as with Justice Gorsage, to just interpreting the law rather
(24:30):
than making the law. And so people are going to
draw broad conclusions about a justice because the person believes
they got it wrong in a particular case. I just
think that's illogical. But I do think it comes back
to something really important historically, and that is the truth
that Donald Trump's voters saved American democracy in twenty sixteen.
(24:54):
And that's undeniable because you're talking about three US Supreme
Court seats, and if those seats go to people who
have a different judicial philosophy, you know, the living constitution,
which turns into essentially legislating from the bench, we lose
our democracy because in every major important issue in America
(25:17):
somehow is then turned into a constitutional determination that's made
by a super legislature made up of nine people who
you can't vote out of office. So our democracy was
saved by the people who elected Trump in twenty sixteen,
And obviously twenty twenty four was vital for other reasons,
but the big run of Supreme Court appointments, you know,
(25:39):
flowed out of that twenty sixteen election. Pretty cool thing
to think about. Let's go to the phone lines. We'll
go to Windsor. Boy, we got a great dog out
of Windsor some really good kennels up there. When you're
on the Dan Kapli show, Welcome, Hey.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Thank you Dan. The reason I was calling is I'm
a thirty plus year season football ticket holder.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
At the see you wonderful.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Every game that I go to up there, I see obnoxious,
ignorant and rude student fans, and I recall the game
in November five when the officials stopped the game and
kicked out the entire student section. Were you at that game?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
No? No, no, I'm sorry I missed it. This was
November of five. Hey, do you remember who they played?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
It was the Nebraska game. Nebraska was ahead, and the
students didn't like it, naturally, and they started throwing snowballs
and bottles and everything imaginable lot on the field and
they got the officials stopped the game and had to
see you police clear out.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
The student Really wow, So you didn't know that?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Taking Einstein for the administration at CU to see that
there's been an issue for a long time with ignorant, rude,
obnoxious students well, when let.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Me ask you this as a thirty year season ticket
on which section are you in? By the way, because
we were in one eighteen for about five or thirty
years two seven okay, okay, So because my experience has
been my experience has been with the student section, starting
as a student, there has been that you're always going
to have a handful of idiots, right, probably every student section,
(27:17):
every stadium in the country. But I've never seen a
systemic problem like that. And I didn't know about this
business in five Were you there for the game against
BYU when there was were perfect champs.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I would not like to speak to that, but I
just envision them. It's there all the time. We played
Washington State one year, probably a dozen years ago. My
wife's from Washington State, so she went there wearing her colors,
and I'll tell you what, the obnoxious, rude things, the
statements that you couldn't speak go to the air were
(27:51):
levied at her by not only the students, but adults
up in our sexual I can't get her to go
back to a game ever since.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Oh man, I'm so sorry to hear that.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I think it reflective on the student body and the administration. Disgusting.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
We appreciate the call, especially from a thirty year season
ticket older. Thank you, my friend, because I have so
many great memories from Folsom and Buff games. And we
still go, not not every week, you know. When the
kids started to use sports, that's when we gave up
the season tickets after decades of having them, But we
still go up a bunch. Ryan. I remember one game,
(28:29):
and again I my personal experiences. It's not the whole
student it's a relative handful, but some disturbing stuff. But
one game I go and I bring Amy and this
guy comes out of the student section and just sits
down next to her. WHOA, he's attracted tour. He just
sits down next to he Audacity, Audacity I was. I
(28:50):
was trying to calculate whether I had enough friends to
raise the bail money. I was trying to compute, Okay,
I've got no criminal history. How many years am I
going to get for this offense versus that offense?
Speaker 8 (29:03):
You know?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But again I understood that wasn't the entire student body there, right, Yeah,
But anyway, the broader question is, and I want to
get to some textures on this as well, at least
when it comes to this fans stuff, is hey, should obscenity?
Should there be a clear bright line, whether we're talking
about ball, coursefield, you know what do they call it
(29:27):
these days, in power field, et cetera. Should there be
a clear bright line no obscenity from fans or is
that going too far? I think there should be that line.
And you know, I'm a rough and tumble guy. I
just think when you go to one of these these
major sporting events and you got all these kids, you
got women. I'm not trying to be sexist, but I
just don't think anybody should have to listen to that.
(29:49):
What do you think about the refuseuck chant, which appears
to be the generally accepted new normal. I don't think
they should allow that. You're on the Dan Kaplace Show.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
And now back to the Dan Campless Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I'd start up in our bad rather rusty. You're on
the Dan Campla Show.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
Welcome, Hey Dan, great to hear you on the radio.
So many of the stations now don't have the courage
to put real people on the radio though.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
You know, can you clean it up for radio? But say,
what the chance was at that game? I didn't. I
never have read it specifically f the Mormons. Oh okay, yeah,
all right, well that yeah, that figures. That's that's just
a microcosm of our society. I'm afraid it's you know,
(30:37):
that F word is just common. Sorry, I'm getting off.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
By twenty Be careful, Be careful.
Speaker 8 (30:45):
It's just, you know, it's it's like damn was twenty
thirty years ago.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, No, it's crazy.
Speaker 8 (30:52):
It's just it's everywhere, and it's it's just a function
of our just the unraveling of our society.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Friends.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
You know, there's no faith, no respect, no respect for elders,
no respect for family, no respect for governor government, no
respect for the police, the military, no respect for many institutions.
And I think, you know, it just is psych I said,
it's just the microcosm and the symptom of our whole
(31:20):
society unraveling. And it seems like maybe it'll get better,
but there's a there's certainly a major spasm of stuff
that's happening now that I think we'll have to get
through before that happens.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Great call, Rusty, I love that word spasm. To be
careful out there. I do think it's it's a coursoning
of society, which is bad for society, starting with the kids, right,
just just bad for the kids. And listen, I know,
anybody who knows me just kind of laughs when they
hear me say that, because I'm the opposite of pure.
(31:56):
But it's just the reality. It's the reality of our society.
And I've used plenty of bad words and Ryan will
tell you, and off air and some unguarded moments I
still do but also guilty. But the point is that
doesn't change the reality that this coursoning is bad for
society and the F word becoming and I think it's
(32:16):
it's even more common than you know, damn used to
be in We still don't say that on air routinely,
we shouldn't, but but yeah, that's not good for society,
and none of this coursoning is good for society. And
my personal believe Ryan is that across party lines, the
vast majority of people agree with that, but field there's
really nothing they can do about it, and that if
(32:39):
somebody actually stood up against that, Let's say a major
sports team right now, major sports teams stood up and
said we're not allowing obscenity from fans in the arena anymore,
nothing that's audible to others. I think that they have
ninety eight percent of the population and probably about the
same percent of the fans at that game just standing
up and applauding them. But nobody wants to take that step.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
I don't know why, because if you're a fan, even
myself and I do indulge in some blue language here
and there at the bar watching a game, getting frustrated.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
But if you ask somebody, would you rather.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
Have foul language at the game express the way that
we're hearing it or not, you would choose not.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Right now how many kids are at the bar. Well,
but you're not going to say that it again, no, no,
but to me listen, and I can remember my dad
taking on I never heard him swear, you know, big tough,
strong Chicago police officer, never heard him swear. But I
saw him take on some guys. I saw him take
on some guys on the olt platform outside Wrigley Field.
(33:39):
I saw him take on some guys in a Denny's
who were swearing around the kids, I guess meaning us.
And then as I got older, swearing around my mom
and my sister, and I think we need to get
back to that you would never curse in an arena,
but it's common now you'll be saying a game and
whether you have a great experience, because some of the
(33:59):
greatest experiences we have as a family are at fill
in the blank, right, Rockies, Broncos, Nuggets, Abs. But now,
whether you have a great experience depends on whether you
end up sitting next to somebody who decides to F
this and F that the whole game. Well, f that right.
These lines have got to be drawn. Thank you, Ryan,
(34:22):
another great job, Thank you, Tarren Lee, Carrie Savarino. What
a tremendous show as we've broke down this big US
Supreme Court case that once again is going to go
in favor of your constitutional rights and against Jared Paulis
Ketcher tomorrow on The Dan Kapla Show.
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