Dan reflects on a horrific fatal crash on Colorado highway 83 near Franktown, involving a vehicle stolen by a repeat criminal with pages of previous offenses.
Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams gives his perspective on high-speed chases and why his deputies opt against them in most cases.
Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams gives his perspective on high-speed chases and why his deputies opt against them in most cases.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind,
and to subscribe, download and listen to the show every
single day on your favorite podcast platform. Time to start
fighting for our own survival right here in Colorado. Don't
you think four oh six? Well, hope you had a
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fantastic Thanksgiving. We cant to hope it was a full
four day weekend. Three all three seven one three eight
two five five The number text d A N five
seven seven three nine. But I do want to open
with that because most people listen to this show, they
are in Colorado, and many are in their cars. You
probably are right now, and it's what I've been talking
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about for a long time, but now you're seeing it
reach these obvious epic proportions. Is you and your family
are in much more danger than you need to be
in because Colorado's roads have become a killing field. And
don't blame it on law enforcement. It's not law enforcement's fault.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Don't blame it on the judges. It's not the judge's fault.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Some das you can blame it on because we all
know some das now have become politicized, but there are
still some Democrat das who are serious about enforcing the law.
Blame it on three things right now. Blame it on
the lefties who control this state because they are not
supporting police, they're not funding law enforcement, they don't have
their back. As a result, we don't have the level
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of enforcement on the roadway that we need. And what
you have is you have all these bad guys and
in some cases bad gals who just decide it's a
video game. Now it's lawlessness, it's thunder, don't they can
do whatever they want. And then you have the lefties
who are rewarding criminals, so soft on crime in so
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many other ways, which brings us to this mass slaughter
on high.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Way eighty three. What we talked about last week out
in Frankton.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
The guy who carjacks the car right out of this
Aurora parking ride right down here in two twenty five
and then goes on this killing spree. And then we
have that that the father and the son drag racing
at one hundred miles an hour kill a wonderful woman.
It is right now, it is chaos on Colorado roads.
You don't need me to tell you that you're living it.
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So are we just going to sit back and take
it and say this is the new normal. That's just
the price of living in Colorado. At that point, what
a bunch of sheeple we've become. You know, we have
got to stand up for ourselves. Here are you thinking
as hopeless? I mean hopeless politically, but also that there
isn't a fix. That there certainly is a fix. But yeah,
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it is a horror show and we saw it on
full display over the last three or four days. Heck
that State Center or Faith Winter. It was killed a
stone's throw from here, you know, because this studio. I'm
in the Denver studio today, so it's out near I
twenty five in Bellvue. She was killed at I twenty
five in Orchard. So I got my ideas, would love
to hear yours. How do we protect your family? How
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do we protect you? And listen, I am two A
guy like you are, and if you were to walk
into my house, you'd probably need a calculator to count
all the guns. So so don't get me wrong on
the two A front. But the simple fact is your
family is in infinitely more danger of being killed, of
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being catastrophically brain injured, being horrifically nimed for life, traumatized,
emotionally and mentally, infinitely more danger on the roadways. Does
that means you get rid of your guns at home? No,
I'm not, But it means we have to be very
honest about where the biggest threats are coming from and
protect against them all three oh three someone three eight
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Much more to talk about on the show as well,
and we've got to get to this representative Jazzmine Crockett
pondering what Gop would have done to little baby Jesus.
I know that's too easy, right, but we've got to
get to it because it's fun, so much to.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Do here locally. Ryan hate your big trip to Michigan.
How was it fantastic?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Other than the Lions game, which was a disaster.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You've kind of written this season off anyway.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Season on the brink.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
You're right, I'm just throwing Look what I'm wearing today, man, Yeah,
I'm as similar Broncosrocos.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The game last night. My man, Oh, you know, I'm
loving it. And what I loved hearing. Was Chris collins Worth,
who I think is one of the best in the business,
is saying what I've been saying forever on the.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Show, Let Bow play, Let Bo play. And hey, there is.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
No question you Denver as a phenomenal head coach, the
best ownership group in the NFL. All of that's great,
but it's not going to matter if you don't let
Bo play, because, like collins was saying last night, and
I've been saying for months, at some point you have
to let him throw downfield other than in desperation time,
he's going to have to do it in the playoffs
and he can do it.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He can do it so well.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Ryan the mass easy if you just turn Bowl loose
and say, Okay, you got as system, we got plays
all that go go win this football game.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
If you do that from the jump, is he going
to throw more picks? Yes? Is he gonna throw a
lot more touchdowns?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Is the good far away the bad?
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So anyway, that's it for football today. Love seeing it
fun game three or three someone three eight two five
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So I've got to get to this. Yes, I mean Crockett.
I've been dying to do that all weekend. Donuts me
why you want to say she's irrelevant, but she really
isn't because she is one of the big faces of
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the Democratic Party right now, and ideologically she's so whack
it's irresistible.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
I just want to be clear. This is the party
that says that, you know, they care so much about
life until life actually shows up at their front door.
And this is also the party that supposedly is about Christianity,
and I just imagine what they would have done to
a little baby Jesus. But that's a whole other issue.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You know.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
It is really so heartbreaking. We know that under the
prior top administration it was the children in cages. So
for me, expecting them to do better by children was
not one of the things that was on my bingo car.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, you know, and right off the bat, it's too obvious,
it's too easy.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
But how can anybody?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And this is where I hope our candidates for Senate
and governor in Colorado and other offices, this is where
I hope they man up and woman up on the
life issue. I understand you're running for election in Colorado,
You're not going to make the number one thing in
you're pamphlet or you know, on the stomp, you're not
going to make the number one thing life, even though
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it's the most important thing. But you're not going to
win by running from it. You're gonna win or at
least have your best chance to win by pointing out
who your Colorado opponent really is. They're like, yeah, I
mean Crockett, there's no difference. You know, it could be
a Michael Bennett. It could be a John Hickenlooper, it
could be filling the They're all the same, and they're
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all pro death's crazy far left radicals because they all
have this common denominator. They all support killing that child,
no limits, no limits.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It's just that the.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Choice of them, I'm killing that child up to the
minute that child's being delivered. They all do. They all do,
and that's just monstrous. So our candidates need to point
that out. And then whether it's the Asmine Crockett or
Michael Bennet or whoever, you know, they're not going to
feel very free to be talking about, oh, what would
Republicans do to baby Chess? You know, because the dishonesty,
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the hypocrisy is so obvious. A deeper point here is
and of course I wouldn't expect her to be able
to back anything up because like so many lefties, including
a Bennett or a Hick and Looper, you know, they
just lie, They just flat lie. The truth is completely
irrelevant to them. But this old saw about oh yeah,
their pro life until the baby's born is absolutely bad
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courts because if you actually look at Republican policies and
what Republicans actually do in office and pay for and
things like that, no, it is not pro life.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
It is whole life.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
But again, because the Democratic Party, it's so hard for
me as a former Democrat to get used to, but
because the Democratic Party has separated from truth, and within
the power structure of the Democratic Party right now, truth
is viewed as weakness, and the ability and willingness to
lie and lie about anything is viewed as a plus
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in the modern Democratic Party power structure. Not talking about
the typical Democrat you may live with or work with
or whatever, but that's the reality of the party right now.
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Speaker 2 (08:50):
And we'll get to a bunch of texts when we
come back.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
From this break, But I really would like to zero
in on this very real thing for you, this very
concrete thing of how do we keep you alive? How
do we keep your family alive on the roadway? Because
I've got some concrete ideas, and I've been involved in
this particular world for a lot of years because my
real job, my day job is representing victims in catastrophic
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injury and death cases, and a lot of those occur
on our roadway. So I have decades of first hand
experience in Okay, what gives you the best chance of
keeping your family alive on the road given the fact
we've become thunder don't right? It's just a killing field
out there with because of a left very little enforcement,
and how do we need to change the laws? Would
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love to get your take three or three seven, one,
three eight, two five five. I'll give your mind, including
some very concrete, practical tips that'll probably start paying off
for you.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Today you're on the Dan Capitla Show.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And now back to the Dan Tapla Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
And Brusselville.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
Words can hardly express.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
One vehicle role. One party objected.
Speaker 8 (09:58):
You're looking at a fourth pound times this speed, a
huge weapon.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Hardly expressed the devastation.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
It was a horrible scene after a.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Man at the wheel of a stolen car lost control
on Highway eighty three late Monday afternoon, ending his own
life and four others.
Speaker 8 (10:15):
And unfortunately his decisions is what caused this crash. And
because of that driver, four innocent victims have lost their
life too.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, and he had a criminal record eleven pages long.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So the question is, at what point are the people
of this state kind of say, just out of self protection,
enough is enough? Will that point ever come, no matter
how high the body county is. So what we're talking
about today is really practical ways that you can help
protect your family and yourself. And what do we need
to change in the law in the meantime. I know
that's harder and it's going to take longer, and maybe
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it cannot be achieved, but that's no excuse for not trying,
especially when the downside is the carnage we're seeing right now.
And I'll tell you, you know, we're quote just hearing
about the deaths, the horrific deaths, But for every death
you hear about the news, there are many more you
don't hear about. And then for all the deaths you
do hear about in the news, there are so many
more people maimed, like lifetime brain injuries, spine injuries.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Et cetera. That just rob a kid's future, for example.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
It's insane. So why isn't Colorado doing more? What changes
would you make? Three or three seven, one, three eight,
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You know, having spent over four decades, you know on
this issue right now.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
It's part of my law practice representing victims.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Some real concrete stuff I give you while we take
text and calls on bigger changes. Just one concrete thing
you can do to day that chances are really high,
whether it's today or a year or two years from now,
it's it's going to save you or somebody in your family.
Something awful is when light turns green, don't go.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Don't go.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
When light turns green, look both ways first, because right
now there are so many of these killers running red
lights at full speed.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
One almost got our daughter in a semi You know.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
That at this point you've gotta pause, you gotta look
both ways before you go, and if you do not
do that, chances are great at some point you're going
to get clobbered as you enter that intersection and hopefully
it won't kill you or maim you, but it could.
And please tell your family that as well. Now I
tell my family that all the time. I get the
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eye rolls everything else sometimes, which is fine as long
as they're still alive. Because my daughter, our amazing daughter,
called me one day and just said, hey, you know,
I didn't go when the light turned green and semi
blew through the red light. She thought it eighty miles
an hour and could well have been. We were able
to get stills off a video camera, but that the
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video wasn't good enough to be able to estimate speed,
but it was bad out of hell fast and way
over the speed limit. If she had not paused, her
car would have been absolutely obliterated.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
The other tip is.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
His, you know, and I always is, I would eat
dog food if I had to have my family in
the safest car I can possibly get them, Because there
are so many killers on the roads right now, There
are so many maniacs, so many people drugged up, and
if they're not on actual drugs, you know, they're just
high on speed in this reckless driving, like they think
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it's a video game. And they clearly think they're never
going to get caught since the Left has now undermined
law enforcement to the point there's very little of it
on the roadway. And don't blame the men and women
in blue, blame the politicians. But yeah, just the safest
vehicle you can possibly put them in. And I know
that's going to be different based on everybody's situation. But
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you know there are some less expensive everything's expensive, right,
but there are some less expensive, older versions of some
of the safest cars out there. And I tell people,
and this isn't scientific, it's anecdotal, but forty two years
of doing it, it's worth some consideration. I've never handled
in my law practice a case where anybody's been killed
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in a Mercedes. I'm sure it's happened, but I've never
seen it. Now, Listen, if you don't have a seatbelt on,
you can get killed in anything, right, it doesn't really
matter what you're in.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It didn't Princess die.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I think Princess d was killed in the Mercedes, but
not wearing a seat belt, right, if she had her
seat belt on.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
But in this act the way you've referenced, Dan, I
think one of the kids are both maybe were wearing
h yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yes percent, I mean, and the seat belt is in
some you know magic fix when you get something like
this mass killer out on eighty three, who's going at
this high rate of speed and then he just barrels
into your head on after stealing a car, carjacking a car.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yes, seat belts are not going to save you there.
What's going to save you is if.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
The politicians actually passed the laws that will keep these
people in jail and instead of what we got right now,
which is a bunch of lefties trying to get criminals
out of jail. And by the way, this just horrific tragedy,
faith Winner, Every one of these deaths on the roadways
a horrific tragedy. But faith Winner State senator killed on
the roadway not far from here.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
And I was very happy to.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
See Governor poll this issue a warm heartfelt statement about her,
as he should have.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But where was the statement.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
About the thirty five year old father and the three
kids killed in that car in Highway eighty three by
the criminal out on parole who had you know, carjacked
that car off somebody? Where was the statement about that family?
There should have been a statement from the governor about
that family too.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Three out three SEVENE three.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
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through nine Dan, A great question. What do you think
about the police entering into pursuits? These crazy drivers need
to be caught, but they know to run because they
won't be chased very often? Him or Oh, that is
so very true, my friend.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
I was.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I watched one of those unfold the other day where
somebody blew by, and you see a lot of this
on crowch rockets, now, you know where looks like they're
going at least one hundred and they're just betting that
there won't be a chase. You're absolutely right about that,
and you see it in cars sometimes too. I don't
fault law enforcement at all for backing off the chases
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because of all the carnage that is and can be
caused in those chases, because of the sheer willingness of
these offenders to kill. And so I'm not going to
sit here and say, oh, the solution is to chase
them down. I know the Texter isn't suggesting that anyway.
What do you think about that, Ryan, These chase scenarios,
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I think those have to be very very limited. I
think chase is because of the dangerousness of the roadways.
I think chases have to be limited to those situations
where you have very good reason to believe the person
in that car has killed or assaulted.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And might be ready to do it again.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
You know who's input I'd like to get on that one.
Oh yeah, ring up.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
The shot text.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Sure if Steve's going to be in the next three days.
In fact, I'm in trial Jerry. Trial's starting tomorrow down
in beautiful Colorado Springs. I love trying cases down there,
and I will be down there starting tomorrow for a trial.
And so Sheriff, Yes, Sheriff Steve Reams will be in
the next few days. But let's try to get him
on the line, get his take on that. I'd love
to get your take your response to this very good
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question from the Texter, Under what circumstances do you think
law enforcement should be entering into high speed pursuits? So
I do not blame law enforcement for raining that in
at all, but that is the bat, that is a
bat of so many of these reckless drivers that there
will not be a high speed pursuit. Now what I do,
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I don't know if you do it, but I will
I will call. I'll call nine one one on a
particularly dangerous driver. Don't want to overload the system, but
when I see somebody driving like, okay, that person, good
chance they're going to kill somebody, I will call nine
one one, And then you never know when informations put
out them might be able to get that person further
down the road. I'm certainly not expecting that text or Dan.
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It took several days to get any info on the
driver of that Franktown crash. No surprise, thatty a lot
of arrest since twenty thirteen. Now it's been four days
since the fuel truck crash at yale I twenty five,
and we haven't heard a peep about the trucker's identity,
your driving record, that from Alexa and Alexa. We all
know the reason for that, and it's one of the
reasons you and your family and everybody else are in
so much danger right now is the Left has a
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powerful motive to cover up, a powerful motive to cover
up these kind of details, starting with, Hey, the drivers
of these horrific crashes, were they on drugs? You know
what about THCHC? How much THCHC in their system. You know,
how many more deaths and big crashes have we had
since quote legalization of marijuana. Is somebody here illegally you
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causes the crash. The left has so much motivation to cover.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
All that up here on the Dan Kapitalist Show.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
And under leftist rule, the highways turning into a killing field. Hey,
great to have share Steve Reims with us on the
VIP line. He will be in the captain's chair the
next three days. I'll be in a jury trial down
in Colorado Springs. Looking forward to trying that case. Share
if appreciate the time today, you.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Bet, it's always a pleasure, Dan.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Hey, Yeah, we got a great text from somebody. We're
talking about how do we protect ourselves and our families
now on the roadways since the Left has undermined law enforcement,
undermine the funding, you know, and right now it's turning
into chaos out there. And somebody raised the good question
of these high speed pursuits, and my take was, I'm
not going to be at all critical of law enforcement
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for not engaging because of the danger in those pursuits,
But what's your take on those what is the best
practices policy right now?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Well, this is a really tough one because there's not
a great answer. You know, when when law enforcement agencies
first started back in office, during pursuits, my agency included,
we got a lot of criticism because we were letting
the bad guys go. And now we're to the point
where the bad guys know to run, and we're getting
criticism from some folks for not chasing. And so for
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my agency, it's very much a case by case basis.
There's a lot of emphasis put on officers to make
good decisions and supervisors to weigh in whenever thing's sound
like they're getting a little out of control or becoming dangerous.
But ultimately it's time of day, condition of the road,
you know, how much traffic there is, the driver's behavior,
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the potential charges associated with the person that they're trying
to catch up to, and all that's happening in you know,
real lifetime. So these are tremendously tough decisions to make,
and oftentimes the best decision is just, you know, we'll
catch them on another day, especially if we have some
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idea of finding information. If we have you know, a
license plate number, a driver you know driver's license information.
If we have any of that, we're going to try
to catch them later. But you know, we we had
a pursuit within the last I guess year and a
half where we chase the guy until until we actually
crashed him out, uh with another with another patrol car
because of his his his charges or potential charges were
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so violent that we couldn't we couldn't let him just
go and catch him later. So you know, there's it's
it's the whole spectrum. But it's tough. I mean, the
citizens deserve safety, and when these folks run, you know,
they're they're creating a hazard for someone else down the road,
and you want to catch them and stop the behavior,
but you don't want to be part of the problem too.
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So it's tough. It's a it's a it's a real
it's a real tough balance. And the state of Colorado
has not made operating as a police officer very easy.
And this is just one more facet of it.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, and well said, it seems to me that that
the state with the left in charge has made it
so much much harder. Because I'm trying to picture my
dad now in heaven, but his thirty years on the force.
I'm trying to picture how he could have functioned in
an environment like this, because he policed in an era
where they had total support from the people in office.
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So he knew that it's not a perfect science and
that if he made his best judgment calling it didn't
work out, people would have his back. Now it's the
exact opposite. You can be sure in the vast majority
of places, those politicians will make a human sacrifice out
of you in a heartbeat, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Especially in this state. I've said this many times, but
this is the least friendly state for police work in
the entire fifty state states of the United States. We
have some of the most draconian laws against law enforcement.
Was Centate Bill two seventeen and have Bill twelve fifty.
You know, they make working as a law enforcement officer
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in the state very very difficult and very very I guess,
costly to the individual officer if that mistake, If a
mistake is made and they're you know, they're suiting their
personal capacity. It's a tough job right now, and I'm
grateful that there are still people entering this line of profession.
But I don't know that I would make the same
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decision now that I did almost thirty years ago when
I entered the profession.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Wow, that says a lot of scher Steve dreams.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
For the folks not familiar with those two pieces of
legislation you talked about that the civiliability piece, can you
give them a quick primer.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Yeah. Basically, it's said that law enforcement officers have no
qualified immunity, which means if they make a mistake, you know,
in the heat of the moment, they make a mistake,
they own the mistake. They can still be sued in
their personal personal capacity, which means, you know, their personal assets,
their personal income can be taken away from them, as
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well as some of the penalties that go along with
those two those two statutes, those two bills decertifies an
officer or there's there's provisions for decertifying an officer, removing
them from the profession altogether. There's not really a way
to rehabilitate an officer who makes, you know, a split
second decision that it just turns out that and like
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you said a little bit ago, life is life, and
you're talking with humans that are doing this job and
sometimes you know, bad decisions are going to get made
in the heat of the moment, but that's a death
penalty for the officer at this point.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
No, that's right, and I think as a result, we
all become less safe. And it's not the officer's fault, sure,
but I mean, my goodness, I can't imagine if I
was in law enforcement right now and you have all
this stuff happening on the roadway, every stop that I
would choose to make on the roadway is putting my
family in jeopardy by putting me in jeopardy. And so
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in this current environment, you combine the lack of resources
with the lack of support for officers, and I think
that leads to a situation now where an awful lot
of these reckless drivers and just flat out killers on
the roadway field there's no chances they are going to
get caught.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
That's one hundred percent accurate. You know, we've we've got guys,
we've arrested folks that are sitting in my jail right
now that that make a life out of just committing
crime and running knowing full well that there's a there's
a good chance no one's ever going to chase them
and catch them when we finally do you know, there's
a there's a heavy price to pay, but they get
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a lot of free time before that happens.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Hey, let me ask you, Sheriff.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Well, we've got you and Sheriff Steve Reems will be
running the show the next three days while I'm trying
to case down in Calorado Springs.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And I'm grateful to you for that.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
But one thing that we're getting a lot of text on,
and I understand why because it's a great idea, I
just don't think the left in this state would ever
support it is what about the use of drones.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
And is it happening now?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And how if you had the kind of support you needed,
you know, statewide from the state capitol, et cetera, with
state laws, et cetera, how much use of drones, if
the resources were there, could be undertaken and to try
to address this crazy reckless driving.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
And just probable pursuits for all these other reasons.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Yeah, there's probably a use for that stuff, you know,
and more in your urban areas than in your rural areas.
The problem we have is the technology hasn't caught up
to be able to I mean I have a four
thousand square mile county, so if a guy, if a
person decides to run through Weld County, drones pretty limited
and instability. But you know, as those things as technology
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catches up, as there's the ability to launch a dron
on the move and you know, maybe have it follow
a car that's running from the police. Yeah, there's there's
definitely a potential there. There are some some urban centers
that are starting to launch drones as basically a way
of getting eyes and ears. If you will, to a
call faster than one an officer can get there and
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at least monitor what's happening. So that technology is already
starting to be deployed. You know, who knows where things
will be in the next five to ten years. I
won't be a law enforce anymore, but I'm interested to
see where it goes. The technology is the answer for
a lot of this stuff. But you have to remember,
for every technological advance that benefits the cops, there's one
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that benefits the bad guys too.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, you need that the manpower, and it seems to
me a very obvious equation. If you put more law
enforcement out there, you're going to have a safer, fill
in the blank, city, county, state, et cetera. I think
we've seen those examples across the country. Unfortunately, in Colorado
most of these politicians are going the other way. But hey, Scherff,
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appreciate the time today and very much appreciate you taking
the show the next three days while I'm in trial,
and I'll look forward to listening to some of it
at the end of the trial day.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Sounds good, Thanks Dan, Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Take care.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
That is a sheriff, Steve Raims, doing a great job,
doing a great job in law enforcement. And when he
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Speaker 2 (27:57):
You see it right, you're living it.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
You see it on the roadway, you read about you
hear it in the press, etc. And what you see
in the press is just the tip of the iceberg.
You know, the roads are becoming a killing field. You
know that people don't believe these particularly reckless drivers don't
believe they're going to get caught. So what do you
think we can do to protect ourselves. I've got some
other ideas as well. And when we come back, classic
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lines from parents in the nineteen eighties, you're on the
Dan Kaplas.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Show and now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
We're talking about how to save your family, how to
save you and obviously Colorado's roadways that become a killing field,
and people focus on the fatality stats, which is very important,
right It's the ultimate loss, and there's so much of
it going on, and so much of it unnecessary. But
we've had these explosion of high profile, horrific crashes just
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over the.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Last ten days.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
But there's also all of the maiming that's going on
out there that just you know, ruins lives forever. Sometimes
it's kids, sometimes sold people. It ruins lives. And so
what do we do? What do we do to better
protect you your family? What can you do to better
protect you and your family? It seems to be this
big blind spot in Colorado where so many people are
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just willing to accept all this extra death and dismemberment
and everything else just as a cost of doing business,
a new normal.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
It does not have to be.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
So getting your concrete take, I'm giving you mine because
this is what I've been doing for forty two years,
handling these catastrophic crash cases for victims, and I've I've
learned a lot along the way about what can make
the roads safer and what you can do from your end,
you know, while hopefully laws are being changed, et cetera,
but we all know that's going to take some time.
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I sure hope it becomes an issue in the governor's
race as well.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Talk about one of those.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Kitchen table issues that stretches across party lines and nobody
ever seems to bring up in these campaigns. Three or
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Sheriff Steve Riams joined us in the last segment, Sheriff
of Wealth cou I need to talk about, you know,
what is pursuit policy?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Text aread that good question?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
And we all know at this point that law enforcements
put in a terrible spot because so many of these
reckless drivers and then of course people fleeing crime separately,
you know, are driving one hundred, one hundred and twenty
faster just betting that law enforcement won't chase because of
the danger it creates. So I don't fault law enforcement
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for not chasing. I think we have to trust their
judgment when they do. It's such a case by case
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text or Dan on law enforcement facing personal liability? Is
there any way those of us who don't break laws
to support law enforcement other than saying thank you, I'm
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thinking beyond voting for folks, so back then a legal
defense fund.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Boy, that's a great idea. It's a great idea. I
don't think there's.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
One of those out there right now, but you're right
text about mission A, which is just electing the right
people and getting these lefties out of office. And this
next Texter makes the point on that Dan count on
Republicans to beg for a police state and surveillance.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
No, Texter, I think it's called law.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And order, right, And that's what the left calls law
and order, like enforcing the law's police state surveillance.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
No, And there's probably no way to quantify this, to
prove it, to track it down. But you just know
as a matter of common sense that the left in Colorado,
starting with Polists, the Democrat controlled Senate and Legislature, and
then Johnston and all of these other.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And he can't even call it soft on crime.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Now it's recruiting criminal conduct, you know, because that's what
they implicitly do. Whether it's what they intend or not,
it's what they implicitly do with the way they act
and these laws they strike down and these laws they pass.
And it has to be a case where Colorado is
is a magnet right now for.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Criminals around the country.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
We know that the Johnston and others have made it
a point to try to make Colorado a magnet for
folks who are in the country illegally. Now, some of
those folks are hardened criminals, most are otherwise law abiding,
but one way or the other, you know, Johnston and
the left have made it a mission to attract as
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many people here illegally to Colorado as possible. So, yeah,
you can see where this state is headed. I mean,
if you were separate apart from the immigration issue, if
you are a criminal in America, what state would you
want to live in?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Brian?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Can you think of a state more attractive to you
as a criminal than Colorado?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Would it be California?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Minnesota?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Recent news, a little bit of Minnesota. We'll be talking.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
About five Oh my goodness. Yeah, But say you were
a more and we're talking about up to a billion
dollars in Frauda in Minnesota, right, and many of those
involved from the Smiley community up there, and we'll get
into some of the mechanisms of that. Obviously doesn't mean
every Somali up there is stealing money, but it is
a big, big, big issue.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
But let's say that you're rapist, murderer, that you're a burglar,
that you're a home invader, that you're a car thief,
and you're out there in America and you're trying to
decide where you go next. Right now, would there be
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a more attractive location than Colorado?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Based on everything the left is.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Done, only California comes to mind, and that's a seriously
depressing comparison. There are states that I would not do
any of those things.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
In Florida, Texas, right.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
You know, I don't think think your criminals are migrating Florida.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I mean they're going to have some homegrown that's just
human and it just happens. But Florida will deal with
them more effectively.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah. No, I think that's the reality of what's going
on right now.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Three out three someone three eight, two five five, the
number techs DN five seven seven three nine. This brings
us back to something I've been talking about in air
forever because it's absolutely true, and it's crazy we haven't
done it yet, and it's it's broader than the carnage
on the roadways, but it applies there also, and that
is our safety overall, and that is a core responsibility
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of government. Right So even the most small government folks
you know, would agree with this. Core responsibility of government
is safety. And we know from experience. We know from
experience that if it's administered even with basic competence, if
you dramatically increase the number of law enforcement officers, you
are going to have a dramatically safer community.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
So why don't we do that?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Why do we still have these pitifully low staffing levels?
Speaker 5 (34:59):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I out covering the Rodney King trial in federal court
in LA. And the first Rodney King case, as you know,
had ended with the riots after the Semi Valley acquittals,
so leading up to the verdicts in the federal court
case in downtown LA. And I was out there for
months covering that case for the network. What LA did
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very wisely once the verdict came in and the jury
actually reached its verdict mid afternoon on a Friday, because
I remember sitting in the press room and I saw
this and then and I said, yeah, that probably means
a verdict, and it was. The judge wisely sat on
that verdict until seven am Saturday morning to announce the
verdict at seven am on Saturday morning. Very very smart move.
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But here's what happened. When the jury began deliberations and
they were out about six days, if I remember, I
they if I recall correctly, they doubled the number of
LA police officers on the street.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
And what happened to the murder rate?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
It absolutely plummeted, absolutely plummeted, so just across the board.
And I know we live in a state right now
where we've got the opposite going on. Where you've got
you've got the statewide elected officials and then unfortunately some
localities as well, just trying to undermine law enforcement every way.
They can go as soft on crime as they can.
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But if you were to actually come in and dramatically
increase the number of men and women in law enforcement,
watch our crime rates go down.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And what could be more important?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Three out three seven one, three eight two five five
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This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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single day on your favorite podcast platform. Time to start
fighting for our own survival right here in Colorado. Don't
you think four oh six? Well, hope you had a
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fantastic Thanksgiving. We cant to hope it was a full
four day weekend. Three all three seven one three eight
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with that because most people listen to this show, they
are in Colorado, and many are in their cars. You
probably are right now, and it's what I've been talking
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about for a long time, but now you're seeing it
reach these obvious epic proportions. Is you and your family
are in much more danger than you need to be
in because Colorado's roads have become a killing field. And
don't blame it on law enforcement. It's not law enforcement's fault.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Don't blame it on the judges. It's not the judge's fault.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Some das you can blame it on because we all
know some das now have become politicized, but there are
still some Democrat das who are serious about enforcing the law.
Blame it on three things right now. Blame it on
the lefties who control this state because they are not
supporting police, they're not funding law enforcement, they don't have
their back. As a result, we don't have the level
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of enforcement on the roadway that we need. And what
you have is you have all these bad guys and
in some cases bad gals who just decide it's a
video game. Now it's lawlessness, it's thunder, don't they can
do whatever they want. And then you have the lefties
who are rewarding criminals, so soft on crime in so
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many other ways, which brings us to this mass slaughter
on high.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Way eighty three. What we talked about last week out
in Frankton.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
The guy who carjacks the car right out of this
Aurora parking ride right down here in two twenty five
and then goes on this killing spree. And then we
have that that the father and the son drag racing
at one hundred miles an hour kill a wonderful woman.
It is right now, it is chaos on Colorado roads.
You don't need me to tell you that you're living it.
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So are we just going to sit back and take
it and say this is the new normal. That's just
the price of living in Colorado. At that point, what
a bunch of sheeple we've become. You know, we have
got to stand up for ourselves. Here are you thinking
as hopeless? I mean hopeless politically, but also that there
isn't a fix. That there certainly is a fix. But yeah,
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it is a horror show and we saw it on
full display over the last three or four days. Heck
that State Center or Faith Winter. It was killed a
stone's throw from here, you know, because this studio. I'm
in the Denver studio today, so it's out near I
twenty five in Bellvue. She was killed at I twenty
five in Orchard. So I got my ideas, would love
to hear yours. How do we protect your family? How
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do we protect you? And listen, I am two A
guy like you are, and if you were to walk
into my house, you'd probably need a calculator to count
all the guns. So so don't get me wrong on
the two A front. But the simple fact is your
family is in infinitely more danger of being killed, of
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being catastrophically brain injured, being horrifically nimed for life, traumatized,
emotionally and mentally, infinitely more danger on the roadways. Does
that means you get rid of your guns at home? No,
I'm not, But it means we have to be very
honest about where the biggest threats are coming from and
protect against them all three oh three someone three eight
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Much more to talk about on the show as well,
and we've got to get to this representative Jazzmine Crockett
pondering what Gop would have done to little baby Jesus.
I know that's too easy, right, but we've got to
get to it because it's fun, so much to.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Do here locally. Ryan hate your big trip to Michigan.
How was it fantastic?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Other than the Lions game, which was a disaster.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You've kind of written this season off anyway.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Season on the brink.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
You're right, I'm just throwing Look what I'm wearing today, man, Yeah,
I'm as similar Broncosrocos.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The game last night. My man, Oh, you know, I'm
loving it. And what I loved hearing. Was Chris collins Worth,
who I think is one of the best in the business,
is saying what I've been saying forever on the.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Show, Let Bow play, Let Bo play. And hey, there is.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
No question you Denver as a phenomenal head coach, the
best ownership group in the NFL. All of that's great,
but it's not going to matter if you don't let
Bo play, because, like collins was saying last night, and
I've been saying for months, at some point you have
to let him throw downfield other than in desperation time,
he's going to have to do it in the playoffs
and he can do it.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He can do it so well.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Ryan the mass easy if you just turn Bowl loose
and say, Okay, you got as system, we got plays
all that go go win this football game.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
If you do that from the jump, is he going
to throw more picks? Yes? Is he gonna throw a
lot more touchdowns?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Is the good far away the bad?
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So anyway, that's it for football today. Love seeing it
fun game three or three someone three eight two five
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So I've got to get to this. Yes, I mean Crockett.
I've been dying to do that all weekend. Donuts me
why you want to say she's irrelevant, but she really
isn't because she is one of the big faces of
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the Democratic Party right now, and ideologically she's so whack
it's irresistible.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
I just want to be clear. This is the party
that says that, you know, they care so much about
life until life actually shows up at their front door.
And this is also the party that supposedly is about Christianity,
and I just imagine what they would have done to
a little baby Jesus. But that's a whole other issue.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You know.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
It is really so heartbreaking. We know that under the
prior top administration it was the children in cages. So
for me, expecting them to do better by children was
not one of the things that was on my bingo car.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, you know, and right off the bat, it's too obvious,
it's too easy.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
But how can anybody?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And this is where I hope our candidates for Senate
and governor in Colorado and other offices, this is where
I hope they man up and woman up on the
life issue. I understand you're running for election in Colorado,
You're not going to make the number one thing in
you're pamphlet or you know, on the stomp, you're not
going to make the number one thing life, even though
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it's the most important thing. But you're not going to
win by running from it. You're gonna win or at
least have your best chance to win by pointing out
who your Colorado opponent really is. They're like, yeah, I
mean Crockett, there's no difference. You know, it could be
a Michael Bennett. It could be a John Hickenlooper, it
could be filling the They're all the same, and they're
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all pro death's crazy far left radicals because they all
have this common denominator. They all support killing that child,
no limits, no limits.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It's just that the.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Choice of them, I'm killing that child up to the
minute that child's being delivered. They all do. They all do,
and that's just monstrous. So our candidates need to point
that out. And then whether it's the Asmine Crockett or
Michael Bennet or whoever, you know, they're not going to
feel very free to be talking about, oh, what would
Republicans do to baby Chess? You know, because the dishonesty,
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the hypocrisy is so obvious. A deeper point here is
and of course I wouldn't expect her to be able
to back anything up because like so many lefties, including
a Bennett or a Hick and Looper, you know, they
just lie, They just flat lie. The truth is completely
irrelevant to them. But this old saw about oh yeah,
their pro life until the baby's born is absolutely bad
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courts because if you actually look at Republican policies and
what Republicans actually do in office and pay for and
things like that, no, it is not pro life.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
It is whole life.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
But again, because the Democratic Party, it's so hard for
me as a former Democrat to get used to, but
because the Democratic Party has separated from truth, and within
the power structure of the Democratic Party right now, truth
is viewed as weakness, and the ability and willingness to
lie and lie about anything is viewed as a plus
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in the modern Democratic Party power structure. Not talking about
the typical Democrat you may live with or work with
or whatever, but that's the reality of the party right now.
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Speaker 2 (08:50):
And we'll get to a bunch of texts when we
come back.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
From this break, But I really would like to zero
in on this very real thing for you, this very
concrete thing of how do we keep you alive? How
do we keep your family alive on the roadway? Because
I've got some concrete ideas, and I've been involved in
this particular world for a lot of years because my
real job, my day job is representing victims in catastrophic
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injury and death cases, and a lot of those occur
on our roadway. So I have decades of first hand
experience in Okay, what gives you the best chance of
keeping your family alive on the road given the fact
we've become thunder don't right? It's just a killing field
out there with because of a left very little enforcement,
and how do we need to change the laws? Would
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love to get your take three or three seven, one,
three eight, two five five. I'll give your mind, including
some very concrete, practical tips that'll probably start paying off
for you.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Today you're on the Dan Capitla Show.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And now back to the Dan Tapla Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
And Brusselville.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
Words can hardly express.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
One vehicle role. One party objected.
Speaker 8 (09:58):
You're looking at a fourth pound times this speed, a
huge weapon.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Hardly expressed the devastation.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
It was a horrible scene after a.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
Man at the wheel of a stolen car lost control
on Highway eighty three late Monday afternoon, ending his own
life and four others.
Speaker 8 (10:15):
And unfortunately his decisions is what caused this crash. And
because of that driver, four innocent victims have lost their
life too.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, and he had a criminal record eleven pages long.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So the question is, at what point are the people
of this state kind of say, just out of self protection,
enough is enough? Will that point ever come, no matter
how high the body county is. So what we're talking
about today is really practical ways that you can help
protect your family and yourself. And what do we need
to change in the law in the meantime. I know
that's harder and it's going to take longer, and maybe
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it cannot be achieved, but that's no excuse for not trying,
especially when the downside is the carnage we're seeing right now.
And I'll tell you, you know, we're quote just hearing
about the deaths, the horrific deaths, But for every death
you hear about the news, there are many more you
don't hear about. And then for all the deaths you
do hear about in the news, there are so many
more people maimed, like lifetime brain injuries, spine injuries.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Et cetera. That just rob a kid's future, for example.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
It's insane. So why isn't Colorado doing more? What changes
would you make? Three or three seven, one, three eight,
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You know, having spent over four decades, you know on
this issue right now.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
It's part of my law practice representing victims.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Some real concrete stuff I give you while we take
text and calls on bigger changes. Just one concrete thing
you can do to day that chances are really high,
whether it's today or a year or two years from now,
it's it's going to save you or somebody in your family.
Something awful is when light turns green, don't go.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Don't go.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
When light turns green, look both ways first, because right
now there are so many of these killers running red
lights at full speed.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
One almost got our daughter in a semi You know.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
That at this point you've gotta pause, you gotta look
both ways before you go, and if you do not
do that, chances are great at some point you're going
to get clobbered as you enter that intersection and hopefully
it won't kill you or maim you, but it could.
And please tell your family that as well. Now I
tell my family that all the time. I get the
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eye rolls everything else sometimes, which is fine as long
as they're still alive. Because my daughter, our amazing daughter,
called me one day and just said, hey, you know,
I didn't go when the light turned green and semi
blew through the red light. She thought it eighty miles
an hour and could well have been. We were able
to get stills off a video camera, but that the
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video wasn't good enough to be able to estimate speed,
but it was bad out of hell fast and way
over the speed limit. If she had not paused, her
car would have been absolutely obliterated.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
The other tip is.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
His, you know, and I always is, I would eat
dog food if I had to have my family in
the safest car I can possibly get them, Because there
are so many killers on the roads right now, There
are so many maniacs, so many people drugged up, and
if they're not on actual drugs, you know, they're just
high on speed in this reckless driving, like they think
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it's a video game. And they clearly think they're never
going to get caught since the Left has now undermined
law enforcement to the point there's very little of it
on the roadway. And don't blame the men and women
in blue, blame the politicians. But yeah, just the safest
vehicle you can possibly put them in. And I know
that's going to be different based on everybody's situation. But
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you know there are some less expensive everything's expensive, right,
but there are some less expensive, older versions of some
of the safest cars out there. And I tell people,
and this isn't scientific, it's anecdotal, but forty two years
of doing it, it's worth some consideration. I've never handled
in my law practice a case where anybody's been killed
(14:05):
in a Mercedes. I'm sure it's happened, but I've never
seen it. Now, Listen, if you don't have a seatbelt on,
you can get killed in anything, right, it doesn't really
matter what you're in.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It didn't Princess die.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I think Princess d was killed in the Mercedes, but
not wearing a seat belt, right, if she had her
seat belt on.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
But in this act the way you've referenced, Dan, I
think one of the kids are both maybe were wearing
h yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yes percent, I mean, and the seat belt is in
some you know magic fix when you get something like
this mass killer out on eighty three, who's going at
this high rate of speed and then he just barrels
into your head on after stealing a car, carjacking a car.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yes, seat belts are not going to save you there.
What's going to save you is if.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
The politicians actually passed the laws that will keep these
people in jail and instead of what we got right now,
which is a bunch of lefties trying to get criminals
out of jail. And by the way, this just horrific tragedy,
faith Winner, Every one of these deaths on the roadways
a horrific tragedy. But faith Winner State senator killed on
the roadway not far from here.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
And I was very happy to.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
See Governor poll this issue a warm heartfelt statement about her,
as he should have.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But where was the statement.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
About the thirty five year old father and the three
kids killed in that car in Highway eighty three by
the criminal out on parole who had you know, carjacked
that car off somebody? Where was the statement about that family?
There should have been a statement from the governor about
that family too.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Three out three SEVENE three.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Eight two five five text d An five seven seven
through nine Dan, A great question. What do you think
about the police entering into pursuits? These crazy drivers need
to be caught, but they know to run because they
won't be chased very often? Him or Oh, that is
so very true, my friend.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
I was.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I watched one of those unfold the other day where
somebody blew by, and you see a lot of this
on crowch rockets, now, you know where looks like they're
going at least one hundred and they're just betting that
there won't be a chase. You're absolutely right about that,
and you see it in cars sometimes too. I don't
fault law enforcement at all for backing off the chases
(16:15):
because of all the carnage that is and can be
caused in those chases, because of the sheer willingness of
these offenders to kill. And so I'm not going to
sit here and say, oh, the solution is to chase
them down. I know the Texter isn't suggesting that anyway.
What do you think about that, Ryan, These chase scenarios,
(16:36):
I think those have to be very very limited. I
think chase is because of the dangerousness of the roadways.
I think chases have to be limited to those situations
where you have very good reason to believe the person
in that car has killed or assaulted.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And might be ready to do it again.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
You know who's input I'd like to get on that one.
Oh yeah, ring up.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
The shot text.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Sure if Steve's going to be in the next three days.
In fact, I'm in trial Jerry. Trial's starting tomorrow down
in beautiful Colorado Springs. I love trying cases down there,
and I will be down there starting tomorrow for a trial.
And so Sheriff, Yes, Sheriff Steve Reams will be in
the next few days. But let's try to get him
on the line, get his take on that. I'd love
to get your take your response to this very good
(17:22):
question from the Texter, Under what circumstances do you think
law enforcement should be entering into high speed pursuits? So
I do not blame law enforcement for raining that in
at all, but that is the bat, that is a
bat of so many of these reckless drivers that there
will not be a high speed pursuit. Now what I do,
(17:42):
I don't know if you do it, but I will
I will call. I'll call nine one one on a
particularly dangerous driver. Don't want to overload the system, but
when I see somebody driving like, okay, that person, good
chance they're going to kill somebody, I will call nine
one one, And then you never know when informations put
out them might be able to get that person further
down the road. I'm certainly not expecting that text or Dan.
(18:06):
It took several days to get any info on the
driver of that Franktown crash. No surprise, thatty a lot
of arrest since twenty thirteen. Now it's been four days
since the fuel truck crash at yale I twenty five,
and we haven't heard a peep about the trucker's identity,
your driving record, that from Alexa and Alexa. We all
know the reason for that, and it's one of the
reasons you and your family and everybody else are in
so much danger right now is the Left has a
(18:29):
powerful motive to cover up, a powerful motive to cover
up these kind of details, starting with, Hey, the drivers
of these horrific crashes, were they on drugs? You know
what about THCHC? How much THCHC in their system. You know,
how many more deaths and big crashes have we had
since quote legalization of marijuana. Is somebody here illegally you
(18:52):
causes the crash. The left has so much motivation to cover.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
All that up here on the Dan Kapitalist Show.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
And under leftist rule, the highways turning into a killing field. Hey,
great to have share Steve Reims with us on the
VIP line. He will be in the captain's chair the
next three days. I'll be in a jury trial down
in Colorado Springs. Looking forward to trying that case. Share
if appreciate the time today, you.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Bet, it's always a pleasure, Dan.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Hey, Yeah, we got a great text from somebody. We're
talking about how do we protect ourselves and our families
now on the roadways since the Left has undermined law enforcement,
undermine the funding, you know, and right now it's turning
into chaos out there. And somebody raised the good question
of these high speed pursuits, and my take was, I'm
not going to be at all critical of law enforcement
(19:45):
for not engaging because of the danger in those pursuits,
But what's your take on those what is the best
practices policy right now?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Well, this is a really tough one because there's not
a great answer. You know, when when law enforcement agencies
first started back in office, during pursuits, my agency included,
we got a lot of criticism because we were letting
the bad guys go. And now we're to the point
where the bad guys know to run, and we're getting
criticism from some folks for not chasing. And so for
(20:17):
my agency, it's very much a case by case basis.
There's a lot of emphasis put on officers to make
good decisions and supervisors to weigh in whenever thing's sound
like they're getting a little out of control or becoming dangerous.
But ultimately it's time of day, condition of the road,
you know, how much traffic there is, the driver's behavior,
(20:38):
the potential charges associated with the person that they're trying
to catch up to, and all that's happening in you know,
real lifetime. So these are tremendously tough decisions to make,
and oftentimes the best decision is just, you know, we'll
catch them on another day, especially if we have some
(20:59):
idea of finding information. If we have you know, a
license plate number, a driver you know driver's license information.
If we have any of that, we're going to try
to catch them later. But you know, we we had
a pursuit within the last I guess year and a
half where we chase the guy until until we actually
crashed him out, uh with another with another patrol car
because of his his his charges or potential charges were
(21:23):
so violent that we couldn't we couldn't let him just
go and catch him later. So you know, there's it's
it's the whole spectrum. But it's tough. I mean, the
citizens deserve safety, and when these folks run, you know,
they're they're creating a hazard for someone else down the road,
and you want to catch them and stop the behavior,
but you don't want to be part of the problem too.
(21:44):
So it's tough. It's a it's a it's a real
it's a real tough balance. And the state of Colorado
has not made operating as a police officer very easy.
And this is just one more facet of it.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, and well said, it seems to me that that
the state with the left in charge has made it
so much much harder. Because I'm trying to picture my
dad now in heaven, but his thirty years on the force.
I'm trying to picture how he could have functioned in
an environment like this, because he policed in an era
where they had total support from the people in office.
(22:15):
So he knew that it's not a perfect science and
that if he made his best judgment calling it didn't
work out, people would have his back. Now it's the
exact opposite. You can be sure in the vast majority
of places, those politicians will make a human sacrifice out
of you in a heartbeat, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Especially in this state. I've said this many times, but
this is the least friendly state for police work in
the entire fifty state states of the United States. We
have some of the most draconian laws against law enforcement.
Was Centate Bill two seventeen and have Bill twelve fifty.
You know, they make working as a law enforcement officer
(22:54):
in the state very very difficult and very very I guess,
costly to the individual officer if that mistake, If a
mistake is made and they're you know, they're suiting their
personal capacity. It's a tough job right now, and I'm
grateful that there are still people entering this line of profession.
But I don't know that I would make the same
(23:14):
decision now that I did almost thirty years ago when
I entered the profession.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Wow, that says a lot of scher Steve dreams.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
For the folks not familiar with those two pieces of
legislation you talked about that the civiliability piece, can you
give them a quick primer.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Yeah. Basically, it's said that law enforcement officers have no
qualified immunity, which means if they make a mistake, you know,
in the heat of the moment, they make a mistake,
they own the mistake. They can still be sued in
their personal personal capacity, which means, you know, their personal assets,
their personal income can be taken away from them, as
(23:49):
well as some of the penalties that go along with
those two those two statutes, those two bills decertifies an
officer or there's there's provisions for decertifying an officer, removing
them from the profession altogether. There's not really a way
to rehabilitate an officer who makes, you know, a split
second decision that it just turns out that and like
(24:09):
you said a little bit ago, life is life, and
you're talking with humans that are doing this job and
sometimes you know, bad decisions are going to get made
in the heat of the moment, but that's a death
penalty for the officer at this point.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
No, that's right, and I think as a result, we
all become less safe. And it's not the officer's fault, sure,
but I mean, my goodness, I can't imagine if I
was in law enforcement right now and you have all
this stuff happening on the roadway, every stop that I
would choose to make on the roadway is putting my
family in jeopardy by putting me in jeopardy. And so
(24:45):
in this current environment, you combine the lack of resources
with the lack of support for officers, and I think
that leads to a situation now where an awful lot
of these reckless drivers and just flat out killers on
the roadway field there's no chances they are going to
get caught.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
That's one hundred percent accurate. You know, we've we've got guys,
we've arrested folks that are sitting in my jail right
now that that make a life out of just committing
crime and running knowing full well that there's a there's
a good chance no one's ever going to chase them
and catch them when we finally do you know, there's
a there's a heavy price to pay, but they get
(25:23):
a lot of free time before that happens.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Hey, let me ask you, Sheriff.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Well, we've got you and Sheriff Steve Reems will be
running the show the next three days while I'm trying
to case down in Calorado Springs.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And I'm grateful to you for that.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
But one thing that we're getting a lot of text on,
and I understand why because it's a great idea, I
just don't think the left in this state would ever
support it is what about the use of drones.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
And is it happening now?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And how if you had the kind of support you needed,
you know, statewide from the state capitol, et cetera, with
state laws, et cetera, how much use of drones, if
the resources were there, could be undertaken and to try
to address this crazy reckless driving.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
And just probable pursuits for all these other reasons.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Yeah, there's probably a use for that stuff, you know,
and more in your urban areas than in your rural areas.
The problem we have is the technology hasn't caught up
to be able to I mean I have a four
thousand square mile county, so if a guy, if a
person decides to run through Weld County, drones pretty limited
and instability. But you know, as those things as technology
(26:29):
catches up, as there's the ability to launch a dron
on the move and you know, maybe have it follow
a car that's running from the police. Yeah, there's there's
definitely a potential there. There are some some urban centers
that are starting to launch drones as basically a way
of getting eyes and ears. If you will, to a
call faster than one an officer can get there and
(26:50):
at least monitor what's happening. So that technology is already
starting to be deployed. You know, who knows where things
will be in the next five to ten years. I
won't be a law enforce anymore, but I'm interested to
see where it goes. The technology is the answer for
a lot of this stuff. But you have to remember,
for every technological advance that benefits the cops, there's one
(27:11):
that benefits the bad guys too.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, you need that the manpower, and it seems to
me a very obvious equation. If you put more law
enforcement out there, you're going to have a safer, fill
in the blank, city, county, state, et cetera. I think
we've seen those examples across the country. Unfortunately, in Colorado
most of these politicians are going the other way. But hey, Scherff,
(27:33):
appreciate the time today and very much appreciate you taking
the show the next three days while I'm in trial,
and I'll look forward to listening to some of it
at the end of the trial day.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Sounds good, Thanks Dan, Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Take care.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
That is a sheriff, Steve Raims, doing a great job,
doing a great job in law enforcement. And when he
takes this show three O three seven one three A
two five five the number text d an five seven
seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
You see it right, you're living it.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
You see it on the roadway, you read about you
hear it in the press, etc. And what you see
in the press is just the tip of the iceberg.
You know, the roads are becoming a killing field. You
know that people don't believe these particularly reckless drivers don't
believe they're going to get caught. So what do you
think we can do to protect ourselves. I've got some
other ideas as well. And when we come back, classic
(28:20):
lines from parents in the nineteen eighties, you're on the
Dan Kaplas.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Show and now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
We're talking about how to save your family, how to
save you and obviously Colorado's roadways that become a killing field,
and people focus on the fatality stats, which is very important,
right It's the ultimate loss, and there's so much of
it going on, and so much of it unnecessary. But
we've had these explosion of high profile, horrific crashes just
(28:49):
over the.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Last ten days.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
But there's also all of the maiming that's going on
out there that just you know, ruins lives forever. Sometimes
it's kids, sometimes sold people. It ruins lives. And so
what do we do? What do we do to better
protect you your family? What can you do to better
protect you and your family? It seems to be this
big blind spot in Colorado where so many people are
(29:12):
just willing to accept all this extra death and dismemberment
and everything else just as a cost of doing business,
a new normal.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
It does not have to be.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
So getting your concrete take, I'm giving you mine because
this is what I've been doing for forty two years,
handling these catastrophic crash cases for victims, and I've I've
learned a lot along the way about what can make
the roads safer and what you can do from your end,
you know, while hopefully laws are being changed, et cetera,
but we all know that's going to take some time.
(29:41):
I sure hope it becomes an issue in the governor's
race as well.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Talk about one of those.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Kitchen table issues that stretches across party lines and nobody
ever seems to bring up in these campaigns. Three or
three seven, one, three, eight, two five five of the number.
Sheriff Steve Riams joined us in the last segment, Sheriff
of Wealth cou I need to talk about, you know,
what is pursuit policy?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Text aread that good question?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
And we all know at this point that law enforcements
put in a terrible spot because so many of these
reckless drivers and then of course people fleeing crime separately,
you know, are driving one hundred, one hundred and twenty
faster just betting that law enforcement won't chase because of
the danger it creates. So I don't fault law enforcement
(30:26):
for not chasing. I think we have to trust their
judgment when they do. It's such a case by case
kind of decision three oh three someone three eight two
five five text d An five seven seven three nine
text or Dan on law enforcement facing personal liability? Is
there any way those of us who don't break laws
to support law enforcement other than saying thank you, I'm
(30:49):
thinking beyond voting for folks, so back then a legal
defense fund.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Boy, that's a great idea. It's a great idea. I
don't think there's.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
One of those out there right now, but you're right
text about mission A, which is just electing the right
people and getting these lefties out of office. And this
next Texter makes the point on that Dan count on
Republicans to beg for a police state and surveillance.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
No, Texter, I think it's called law.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And order, right, And that's what the left calls law
and order, like enforcing the law's police state surveillance.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
No, And there's probably no way to quantify this, to
prove it, to track it down. But you just know
as a matter of common sense that the left in Colorado,
starting with Polists, the Democrat controlled Senate and Legislature, and
then Johnston and all of these other.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And he can't even call it soft on crime.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Now it's recruiting criminal conduct, you know, because that's what
they implicitly do. Whether it's what they intend or not,
it's what they implicitly do with the way they act
and these laws they strike down and these laws they pass.
And it has to be a case where Colorado is
is a magnet right now for.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Criminals around the country.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
We know that the Johnston and others have made it
a point to try to make Colorado a magnet for
folks who are in the country illegally. Now, some of
those folks are hardened criminals, most are otherwise law abiding,
but one way or the other, you know, Johnston and
the left have made it a mission to attract as
(32:26):
many people here illegally to Colorado as possible. So, yeah,
you can see where this state is headed. I mean,
if you were separate apart from the immigration issue, if
you are a criminal in America, what state would you
want to live in?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Brian?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Can you think of a state more attractive to you
as a criminal than Colorado?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Would it be California?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Minnesota?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Recent news, a little bit of Minnesota. We'll be talking.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
About five Oh my goodness. Yeah, But say you were
a more and we're talking about up to a billion
dollars in Frauda in Minnesota, right, and many of those
involved from the Smiley community up there, and we'll get
into some of the mechanisms of that. Obviously doesn't mean
every Somali up there is stealing money, but it is
a big, big, big issue.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
But let's say that you're rapist, murderer, that you're a burglar,
that you're a home invader, that you're a car thief,
and you're out there in America and you're trying to
decide where you go next. Right now, would there be
(33:38):
a more attractive location than Colorado?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Based on everything the left is.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Done, only California comes to mind, and that's a seriously
depressing comparison. There are states that I would not do
any of those things.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
In Florida, Texas, right.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
You know, I don't think think your criminals are migrating Florida.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I mean they're going to have some homegrown that's just
human and it just happens. But Florida will deal with
them more effectively.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah. No, I think that's the reality of what's going
on right now.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Three out three someone three eight, two five five, the
number techs DN five seven seven three nine. This brings
us back to something I've been talking about in air
forever because it's absolutely true, and it's crazy we haven't
done it yet, and it's it's broader than the carnage
on the roadways, but it applies there also, and that
is our safety overall, and that is a core responsibility
(34:31):
of government. Right So even the most small government folks
you know, would agree with this. Core responsibility of government
is safety. And we know from experience. We know from
experience that if it's administered even with basic competence, if
you dramatically increase the number of law enforcement officers, you
are going to have a dramatically safer community.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
So why don't we do that?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Why do we still have these pitifully low staffing levels?
Speaker 5 (34:59):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I out covering the Rodney King trial in federal court
in LA. And the first Rodney King case, as you know,
had ended with the riots after the Semi Valley acquittals,
so leading up to the verdicts in the federal court
case in downtown LA. And I was out there for
months covering that case for the network. What LA did
(35:20):
very wisely once the verdict came in and the jury
actually reached its verdict mid afternoon on a Friday, because
I remember sitting in the press room and I saw
this and then and I said, yeah, that probably means
a verdict, and it was. The judge wisely sat on
that verdict until seven am Saturday morning to announce the
verdict at seven am on Saturday morning. Very very smart move.
(35:42):
But here's what happened. When the jury began deliberations and
they were out about six days, if I remember, I
they if I recall correctly, they doubled the number of
LA police officers on the street.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
And what happened to the murder rate?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
It absolutely plummeted, absolutely plummeted, so just across the board.
And I know we live in a state right now
where we've got the opposite going on. Where you've got
you've got the statewide elected officials and then unfortunately some
localities as well, just trying to undermine law enforcement every way.
They can go as soft on crime as they can.
(36:18):
But if you were to actually come in and dramatically
increase the number of men and women in law enforcement,
watch our crime rates go down.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And what could be more important?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Three out three seven one, three eight two five five
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