George Brauchler fills in for Dan Caplis for today's edition of the show. In the first hour, George interviews Kevin Grantham, Member of the County Commission in Fremont County, to discuss Trump's embarrassing portrait in Colorado that has become the focus of national headlines.
Then, George interviews former ICE Director John Fabbricatore about the recent ICE escapees.
Then, George interviews former ICE Director John Fabbricatore about the recent ICE escapees.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
George Brockler filling in for Dan the man Capitaliss who
I don't know if he told you guys this, but
Dan's a big time try lawyer out there, had a
huge trial set to go back to back big ones,
and of course the insurance companies they always do, caved
into him at the last minute. But he was still
nice enough to say, go on in there and tackle
(00:37):
these next two hours because I have another trial to
prepare for. So I'm gonna be with you from four
until And I think Ryan has just indicated midnight.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
God, it's actually just.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's gonna be a telethon. It's gonna be a feel
good event. It's going to be like the old Jerry
Lewis telethon. Yes, listen, huge show because there's so much
to talk about now, some of this stuff, and I'll
get to the reasons why I haven't been able to
really comment on social media otherwise, because last week was
spring break for Big Daddy, but we're going to have
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it for whatever that after the first break is.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I'm sure there's a number in there. Kevin Grantham.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
He is a commissioner for Fremont, but you may remember
he was also the big guy in the state Senate
for the Republicans for a long time.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
He knows all the.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Stuff about the Trump portrait in the Capitol. We're going
to get the low down on that. At five thirty
and whatever that break is, we're going to have John Fabricatory.
If you've listened to the show regularly, you know Johnny
Fabbs and that his last name is Italian for soft hands.
He's going to come on to talk to us about
the two escape east from Ice and really that I
(01:46):
hope some of the behind the scenes back and forth
it's going on between Aurora and Ice and what should
have happened and what we're still struggling to see happen
in order to apprehend. I think we've got one of
the two. The other one's still out there. In the
five o'clock hour, we're going to have Representative Brandy Bradley
to talk to you about a.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Bill that she launched that is near and dear to
my heart.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I went out testified on it. It's going to come
as a shock to nobody who's paid attention to the
capital over the last however many years, it's been in
the hands of the wing nuts. But this bill died
an unceremonious death after many, many hours of testimony. I
want her to talk about that because the media didn't
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cover it, and there's a specific reason why the Democrats
set it up so that they wouldn't be there to
cover this thing. We're also going to hear from the
Great Miranda Divine. She is going to talk to us
about the Pete Hegseth signal controversy that is everywhere. I mean,
if you have not heard about this thing, it's because
you've been in a coma until this very moment. That's
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going to be something we're talking about. And then you
heard him at the top of the hour in the
news break, Commissioner George Teal's going to talk to us
about a historic move by my county, Douglas County, to
become a home rule county and to break itself away
just a little bit more from the Denver metro area
and their values and really instead focus on Douglas Counties.
(03:13):
But this first segment.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Is just us.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I've gotten some texts already, texts for of course, from Alexa,
who seems to know every time I'm on the radio
before I even know I'm going to be on the radio.
Here's another text, Ryan, you should know, always enjoy when
George is on the air. Hey, you should put a
bolo for Ryan if he ventures into Douglas County. Word
on the street is he's a Red Wings fan. Oh,
(03:39):
it has to be against the law in your county,
that's Patty. I think that's true. But you know it's
not so much because listen, we're First Amendment people, right,
we're being constitutionalist. We believe you should be able to
express yourself. We would never limit you from wearing the
Red Wings jersey. On the other hand, we do have
a standing policy that if you get a beat down.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Because of it, we don't prosecute. So that's all. That's it.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You express yourself however you want the subsequent beating.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
You know, I was really hoping that you would offer
me sanctuary status in doug Coe with this Red Wings
jersey on, but apparently.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
That's not the case. It's funny you bring that up.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I have thought about the idea of printing up, at
my own expense, not taxpayer money, of.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Course, get out of jail free cards.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
But I knew instantly if I were to give those out,
even in jest, that the left wingers would go nuts
and it would become some it'd become a Kyle Clark story.
So instead, what I think I'm going to do is
you remember the old Chance Orange cards for Monopoly, Sure,
and there's the law enforcement officer, the police officer dragging
away Daddy Warbucks or whatever his name is, and it says,
(04:45):
go to jail, go to directly jail. I'm going to
do that on the reverse side of my business cards.
That is how I think I want to announce to folks.
I am the district attorney for the twenty third Judicial.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Not pass go, do not collect two hundred nos, not
pass go. That's right. You come down here to steal
from us.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And the words getting out by the way it is
spreading out there. We are seeing some real changes in
the courthouse, but we're also starting to get pretty good
feedback from law enforcement on the ground that it turns
out if you.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Put people in jail who steal from you. Less people
want to steal from you.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Who knew how was going to happen. And it's only
been a couple months so far. Now listen, just a
point of personal privilege here. Last week I had spring
break with the boys and my son's my daughter's out
in Washington, d C. Twenty two now if you can
believe that, man, But she didn't have spring break.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
She's working. So my son who's up at CSU, And I'm.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
A Buffs fan, so that hurts every time I say it.
But up at CSU killing it in bio medical, whatever
he's doing up there. He happened to have spring break
at the same time as Graham and Jeff. So I
make the decision I'm going to go into significant debt
to get an experience for them, and that is we're
going to go to Barcelona and then we're going to
go to Paris. We're going to see things like the
(06:04):
Cigratta Familia with you. If you don't know what that is,
google it. It's an incredible Basilica in Barcelona. We're going
to take in all the things you would do in Paris.
I've never been to these places, you know, the Eiffel
tower and the louver and all this stuff. And the
challenge for us to do this is that my son
up at CSU has muscular dystrophe.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
So he is in a wheelchair.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
He used to be more ambulatory and was able to
get out of the chair and take a couple of
steps here and there, but not anymore. And it's a
progressive degenerative disease. He will never have more ability and
strength than he has today, and that will be true
for the rest of his life. So a lot of
this was how can we get some bucketless stuff done,
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you know, like I want him to see as much
of the world as he can before he can't anymore.
So we go and do this thing. And I have
to tell you I was prepared for a couple things
stereotypes I took with me. I thought Europe is going
to be a dumpster fire for a disability for mobility
and stuff, because it's a billion years old, right like
compared to America, it's just gonna be cobblestones and stairs
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and nobody's gonna not true. And Europe has, if at
least Barcelona and Paris have it figured out, and they
throw tons of resources at trying to find a way
to make things that have been in existence for in
some cases hundreds of years accessible to the disabled. And
I really appreciate that. Some things I wish they had
(07:35):
done differently, like there's.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
A you know, a couple towers in.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
The Sagatta Familia in Barcelona that they will not let
wheelchairs in.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
But other than that, it was great.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Luftanza, who we got pushed onto from United because they
just couldn't figure out a way to get their planes
to arrive in Denver on time. They were fantastic, very bureaucratic,
but man, they threw a ton of resources at it.
On the other hand, United much more challenging. I can't
tell you how many times I called, showed up in person,
said things like, I just want to make sure you
(08:06):
guys know wheelchair. We need an aislechair to get my son.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
To a seat. Yep, yep, got it, got it, got it,
got it. Day of the flight.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Coming out of Paris, they're like, oh wow, yeah, someone
put it in wrong in the notes.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
We don't have anything.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I mean, it just it was so disappointing because I'm
a big American Champion fan, as you know, and I
wanted everything to be as perfect as possible for my boys.
And it turned out America let me down when it
comes to the disability stuff. America United Airlines, they lost
a piece of the wheelchair, by the way, the only
leg of the flight where we lost a piece of
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the of the wheelchair. But otherwise it was.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
A phenomenal trip. I will be paying it off for
the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
But at this point where I'm at, and I hope
that you adopt this same thing with your family, the
stuff is just not as cool anymore as the experience.
And so whatever Ryan had to spend to get his
awesome tickets to go to the Red Wings Avs game
twenty years ago, I'd have said, nah, nah, if I
don't get him for free, or if I can't get
them on the cheap, I won't do it no more.
(09:13):
I'm gonna spend for the experience, because that's the only
thing you really get to take with you as you
move on through the rest of your life and pass
it on.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
So I wanted to share that with you. Spring Break
was phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And oh the other stereotype that the frogs are anti
American and jerkweeds, I mean, didn't you get that I
had that sense that the French were gonna be al
hoiti toity and if you don't speak the language, they
let you struggle.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Not at all.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I found the Parisians to be almost without exception, genuinely warm,
nice people. They wanted to help. They wanted to help
my son with the wheelchair, even if it meant coming
up with some rickety old ramp that they had in
the back room to get them up over the I mean,
they were just very accommodating. And so I wanted to
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share those two things with you, because it turns out,
even when you're in your mid fifties and you look
like you're in your mid thirties, you're still learning things
every day.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Listen, I know Alexis. I'm sorry, Alexa is on the
phone right here. Ryan.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
There's a way to take this caller, But because it's
been so long since I've been in the studio, I
don't know how to press that button. Oh all right, dude,
I guess we have to take a break when we
come back, potentially Alexa, but definitely after that, we're going
to have on Kevin Grantham to talk about the Donald
(10:35):
Trump portrait controversy. Stick around George Brockler filling in for
the great One Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
It's six thirty KHW and now back to the Dankapless
Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Please tell me that's weird.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Al that is weird?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Okay, Nice, nice, nice, George. George Brockler with you here,
filling in for Dan Caplis on the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Ryan, do we have? And we do?
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Now?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I've listen.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's been a long time since I've been in the booth.
A little rusty and run in the show. But there's
a phone next to me. It has flashing lights. I'm
going to press one of the buttons next to the
flashing lights to see if it calls up our next guest.
He is a county commissioner for Fremont County. If you
can find that on a map, I'll give you five bucks.
(11:31):
He is also the former big man from the state
Senate for the Colorado Republicans. He's got so many things
in his bio it would take.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Up the rest of the interview to get to him.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
But you know him, you love him. Kevin Grantham, thanks
for joining us here on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Hey, I'll take that five bucks.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
George well, dang it, I should have said, unless you're
actually on hold?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Oh now is it? Do you go by commissioner?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Do you combine commissioner and senator and other elected things
to make something more clever like commission editor or something?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Or oh, it's it's actually all three President and commissioner
and senator. So it's Presmissionatordent.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's a T shirt right there, Presmissionator Kevin Grantham. Now
listen there, you are well aware of this controversy that
has resulted in today a big blank space with all
the other presidential portraits under the Gold Dome that you
worked at for so many years, because there were some
complaints about the Donald Trump portrait by Donald Trump. Didn't
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find it flattering. It had been there for five years.
But that tells me something. And you had reached out
to me and said, I know stuff about this portrait.
I helped get it funded. To talk to us about
how we ended up with this portrait on the wall
and now what are we going to do?
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Well, you know it's a long, probably a longer story
than we have on time here, but you know there
is a process that used to have to go through,
and it goes through the Capitol Building Advisory Committee, which
is a makeup of some legislators and some historic files
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that sit on that committee to decide what to do
with the Capitol Building and historic preservation and things like that,
but they also govern what goes on the walls, including
in the Presidential Portrait Gallery. And so what happened back
in twenty seventeen eighteen was that there was no money
being raised, and there's really never any effort by this
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committee that actually sits outside of the capital to raise
that money. And somebody made light of that and put
a portrait of President Putin in the Russia place of
the Russian guy in the Capitol Building, and that sort
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of spurred us on to do a fundraiser. Well, let's
just raise the money, and so we raised the money
in thirty two hours to commission the painting, and the
Capitol Building Advisory Committee commissioned Sarah Boardman. She did the
painting for Obama, and so she did the one for
Trump as well, and they commissioned the painting. It was
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done and it was unveiled about a year later, in
August of twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I understand it was a paint by numbers. Is that true?
I don't.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
If I had done it, it would have been a
paint by numbers.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Now, now listen when you saw it.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
When you first saw it, you know, a year later
after this thing was commissioned, did you say to yourself, hey,
that's a smart look in portrait. Or did you think, yeah,
I wouldn't like that.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
You know, it's funny I wrap back in time and
trying to remember exact feelings and whatnot. I remember at
the unveiling that I heard no dissenting voices as far
as you know, they didn't think it was bad. And
there were that was almost ninety five percent probably Trump
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supporters in the room when we did the unveiling, and
I heard no criticisms at all, And until a day
and a half ago, I still hadn't heard any criticisms.
But now, of course everybody has a critique and is
(15:35):
an art critic. But I don't remember looking at it
back then and saying, you know, this is just by
any stretch. In fact, if you put the actual picture
side by side with the portrait, it's it's not too bad.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I'll be honest.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I'm looking at it right here online, Kevin, and it it's.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Not completely unflattering. I don't really understand the controversy. It
looks like.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
A grumpy Alec Baldwin, although that sounds redundant, but it
sort of looks like that.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
But it doesn't look like.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It's going out of its way to be demeaning. And
I wonder, now, what's going to happen now?
Speaker 5 (16:13):
So maybe to that point real quick, George, the there
was no ill intent here by the artist. She was
actually a Trump fan and a Republican, So there's no
ill will there to the wonderful person and a great artist.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Well, and looking at this picture, she got skill. I mean,
even if you don't like it, it's a pretty good likeness.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Right, And I think so too. And you know, I
think all that aside. You know, let's say Kevin hates
it and George loves it, or George hates it and
Kevin loves it. At the end of the day, who
really cares what George and Kevin think. It's it's really
the subject matter of the portrait. You know, he's kind
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of the first, the first refuser if if there is
such a thing, if if that person doesn't like it,
then you know, why the heck wouldn't we just trade
it out. Yeah, I think this is.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
But I presume then you guys are going to have
you guys, I presume the Republicans in the legislature are
going to have to do another fundraiser to try to
get someone else to paint a picture.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Sure, I mean there's a couple or three options on that.
First of all, there is some talk at least that
the the White House or the family they may have,
they may already have something in mind to replace it,
something that already exists, or maybe even something they commission
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and donate themselves. That way, there's just simply no question.
As long as it meets, you know, the criteria of
size and style that goes with the other presidential portraits,
then why not just do it that way? Otherwise, you know,
we could probably get some health from the Donald to
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maybe do some fundraising. I bet, I bet we could
break our thirty two hour record by about thirty one
hours and fifty minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
He's been the president, he's been a senator, he's been
a commissioner, he is a commissioner.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Kevin Grantham, thanks for giving us time. You've given us
stuff I've heard nowhere else. Man, Thank you. I'll talk
with you soon, Buddy. All right, thanks brother Aldemige.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Hey, George Brockler filling in for Dan Capla's when we
come back, Johnny Softans Fabricatory to talk about Eisner.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Roar.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
It's the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
You're listening to The Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Bringing up a superstar in his own right.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
He is the visiting fellow for the Border Security and
Immigration Center at an awesome think tank out in DC
called the Heritage Foundation. You know him because he has
been everywhere over the last couple of years. The one
place he isn't is where we needed him most, and
that was as our sixth Congressional District presentative.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
But I don't think he's done.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
By the way. His name is John Fabricatory. He joins
us right now, sir, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Hey, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Buddy.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Now listen, I wanted to get your impressions on this
ice story.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
It broke when I was still making my way back
from overseas for spring break. But there's a lot to
this story in terms of the ice facility out in Aurora.
You know it pretty well. There was a claimed power
outage A couple guys escaped. There was back and forth
between Ice and Aurora about communication and notification and efforts
(19:35):
to reacquire I think there's one in custody now. I
don't know if they have both, but can you bring
us up to speed on your understanding of this and
what are your impressions of what's going on?
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Sure, so there is one in custody. They were able
to catch him. Adams County caught him a few days ago, thankfully.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
You know.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Unfortunately there was in this aap here and that will
be investigated. Some spector general will come in and and
and investigate this. Uh, you know, there will be probably
more than one inspection at the facility to see where
you know, the the the problems were with this. I
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mean we're being told that it was a power outage,
but you know there's supposed to be some backup security
on that and you know, backup generators and stuff that,
you know, so.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
That exterior doors just don't pop open.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
You know.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Also the camera system went down, and you know a
lot of those things are are you know, as you know,
not very good to be happening when you have a
detention center. But I mean, I know Ice will take
this very seriously.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
You know.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
The the problem though was was.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
The communication between the contractor, GEO Corporation, Aurora PD and ICE.
And you know there there seems to be there have
been a lot of miscommunication which led to a lot
of finger pointing and really something that that we didn't
need in this situation.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
What John Fabricatory, what is your sense of how this thing?
Not that it happened when you were out there and
in charge, but what is your sense of what's the
normal flow of information that should take place?
Speaker 7 (21:11):
You know, you know I actually did have an escape
back when I was in charge. I'll actually tattle on myself.
I had one in twenty nineteen. You know, it has
not happened very often at that facility. I believe the
facility has been opened since nineteen eighty five. I believe
we've had less than a dozen escapes.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
You know in that time period.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
You know, there there are plans that are in place
that are supposed to be followed. You know, some of
those written plans have been around for years and have
gone through multiple you know, police chiefs and.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
ICE directors and those are.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
So you know, those are the you know, you're tried
in true checkbox method plans that are supposed to be
followed so that everyone gets the information that's necessary to
ensure that the can unity is kept safe. You know,
ICE initially put out information that Aurora PD was not
willing to help out, and Aurora PED rebutted that by
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saying that they would have helped out had they had
a notification much sooner than it was put out.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
When you had the thing that took place in twenty
nineteen that you described, was there an immediate call that
you make right away. Is there some sort of a
protocol that requires you to work internally or back there
with the mothership in.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
DC before information is shared. I mean, what takes place?
Speaker 7 (22:37):
Well, no, I mean what really you know needed to happen.
I think, and in this situation, with my situation, they
knew that those guys went over the wall right away,
so they were able to make notifications very soon.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
I think where the issue with.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
This escape comes is that with the power outage and
the cameras being down, I'm not sure that Geo Corporation,
the contractor knew that those two individuals were actually gone.
They then went and did a head count. And this
is from what I'm being told I. You know, I
don't know if this is true or not, but what
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I'm being told that a headcount was conducted. A head
count and when you have twelve hundred detainees is not
something that happens in thirty seconds.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
That takes time.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
And you know, they may have actually done a lockdown headcount,
which takes a lot longer because they go through every
single corner of the facility to make sure everyone is
accounted for, So that may have taken some time before
GEO then decided, yes, we did have to leave. Now
we had Now they're supposed to contact ICE. I don't
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know when they contacted ICE. I've not been told that information.
And then they contacted Aurora PD. But even in the
nine to one one call that I was able to
listen to that the chiefs provided, it did not seem
like GEO Corporation was ready to give that out because
they didn't even have information on one of the escapees,
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which they definitely had because they have all those biometrics
located at that facility, and they should have been better
prepared even to give that initial nine to one one call.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
This thing hopefully plays out where we capture the second
guy as well, are there federal charges related to escaping
from an ice facility?
Speaker 7 (24:24):
Yes, there are. It's an eighteen UFC, and I'd have
to look it up. I believe it's seven eighty five,
but off the top of my head right now, I'm
not remembering. So for a regular Bureau Prisons facility, it
is a felony. For an ice facility, it is a misdemeanor,
but it is still a federal charge that can be applied.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
If you don't mind. In a couple of minutes we
have left. I just wanted to shift gears. Get your
thoughts on this too. We're talking with John Fabricatory. He's
the visiting professor of all things immigration out at the
Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Jeannette Visgera.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
She is that long time legal alien activist who has
been in Denver for sixteen years. Finally apprehended leaving her
job at Target. Not sure how an illegal alien gets
a job at.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Target and she's going to be deported. Any thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I mean, it seems to have captured the at least
the mainstream media's attention.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Yeah, I mean, the one thing that I just want
to say to everybody is she did have her bite
at the apple. I mean, she went through every single
court process you could go through for immigration, so she
actually saw the immigration judge. I believe it was back
in twenty thirteen. The immigration judge actually gave her voluntary departure,
which would have allowed her to depart without any kind
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of ill record in her immigration record, so she could
have left and been able to come back legally.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
She chose not to.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
She chose to do a Bureau of Immigration appeals over
she wound up sneaking out of the country and going
to Mexico. So she left for Mexico for a few months,
snuck into Mexico because she didn't want anyone to know
she was there, but upon trying to sneak back in.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
She gets stopped by border patrol.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
She then gets prosecuted with eight USC thirteen twenty five,
which is illegal entry into the United States, which is
a misdemeanor.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
But I believe she.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
Got a year's probation.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
For that, so they let her back in finish.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Up her Bureau of Immigration appeals, which I don't actually
agree with.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I believe they don't understand how that makes sense.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
But anyway, yeah, I believe that she would have kept
her in custody and had the appeals hearing while she
was in custody, but it was a different time, different
place under the Obama administration, so they let her in.
The BIA comes up and says, well, you abandon your
appeal by leaving for Mexico. You deported yourself. You abandoned
your appeal. What happened next was Obama then gave her
(26:45):
a whole bunch of stays of deportation to allow her
to just stay because she then became not a priority
under the Dividen administration. So when Trump became president during
the first his first term, Trump was like, well, I'm
not giving you a stay of deportation. You were supposed
to be deported.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
You need to leave.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
What does she do?
Speaker 7 (27:03):
She hides in a church.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
For three and a half years.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Good.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
I then got involved and tried to deport her. I
was very close with doing that. It didn't work out,
and then Biden administration comes in and gives her a
couple of more stays of deportation. So this woman has
had every chance to stay in she's gone in front
of an immigration judge. She does have a criminal background.
She has the conviction of eight usc She also has
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a conviction for fraud. She also has a conviction for
driving without a license and driving without insurance, so you know,
the left can hold her, put her up on a pedestal,
for she is exactly the reason why we need to
have our immigration system under control.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
John Fabricator, I have heard none of this information anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
That's what makes it so awesome that you're calling in
to do this.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Mayor Johnston out of Denver called it a Putin style
persecution of political dissidents.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
That is not what you just described.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I can't thank you enough for making the dan Kaplas
Show listeners that much tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Thanks buddy, I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Thanks to migoing. Hey, that was John Fabricatory.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
He is the visiting professor of all things immigration out
there at the Heritage Foundation and expert in ice. Love
that call. When we come back, we'll get to your
phone calls as well. Stick around as we cut through
a break.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's George.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
And now back to the dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
If it's anything Michigan or Detroit related, it's Ryan Schuling.
Hell of course, behind the glass George Brockler filling in
on the Dankapler Show. Dan preparing for yet another victory
on behalf of his clients.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
We have a phone number. You should use it.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It's three oh three seven one three eight two five five.
Going to one of our many colors right now. She
claims her name is Alexa. Alexa, you're on the Dan
Capla show. What do you think?
Speaker 6 (28:51):
I want to know, mister Brockler. Did you just get
retrained as a DA being out there for four years? No?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I wish there was any of training.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
They actually have a baby, and I say they the
call Rutter District Trainings Council has a quote unquote Baby
DA school for baby das as well as baby prosecutors
in general. But I did not make it this year
to it, so I'm kind of flying blind. I'm sort
of just feeling my way around. I want to think
that being the das like riding a bike, you know
(29:21):
what I mean, Like you can take some time off,
hot back on, and you know where to go. Don't
know if that's true yet. Nobody is willing to tell
me that. I'm not wearing any clothes the Emperor thing.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
So we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Well.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
It's been four hundred and seventeen days since you hosted
a show, So what glad to have you back.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Why do you know that? Why do you know that?
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Well, because your last show was on February second, you
just do the math. It's one year in seven weeks,
in a couple of days.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I don't know why you know that, but I feel
like we should go to Vegas and get matching suits.
And when we come down the escalator, I spill a
b bunch of toothpicks on the ground and you look
at them and go forty two or something like that.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
You know, yeah, was so is that good? But I
am so sorry that Douglas County is having far too
many crimes. These last two months have been crazy, and
I want your office to have a very boring schedule
every single week, week in and week down. That has
not happened for you.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
We are working towards boring Alexa. We're working towards boring
the other thing. The other thing that we're looking at
is and we're going to heat map this thing. I
did it once before as I was leaving office, but
we were still in the process of trying to figure
out a way to make it more accurate.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
But we're going to heat map.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
This My contention is more than fifty percent of the
felonies that are committed in Douglas County are committed by
people who don't live in Douglas County. They are people
that are coming to us from places that rhyme with
Schmamora and schmember. But you know, and I know that
that's true for everything that took place at the main event.
I know that that's true for the venezuela and retail, Yeah, retail.
(30:59):
Theft gang group that we're prosecuting not from Douglas County.
And there's nothing wrong with people come into Douglas County
if you're there to start a business, to go, recreate
in the beautiful parts of Douglas, raise a family, get
an educate. None of those things are a problem. The
problem is when you come down there to bring some
crime with you. You know you should leave it back
(31:20):
up here in the north.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Definitely. Well glad. If I can't have you as a host,
I'm glad I have you as a DA.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
So same I got. I got a question for you
when you heard when you heard the.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
John Fabricatory stuff about the ice thing, did it change
your opinion at all about what was going on.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
You know what? I had read Daniel Durinsky's post a
couple of days ago about that, and it's it's disappointing
because so many things were missed that shouldn't have happened,
and you know, I and then some of the stuffies
(32:02):
at the end was new to me. So it's every
time we hear this story, George, it gets more and
more shocking what's going on, and that people just don't
seem to care what concerns me.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I'm concerned too that nothing makes sense with this anymore.
But what I'm concerned about is we have created such
a defensive, reactive environment with local law enforcement when it
comes to all things immigration that what role can aroar
a PD actually play in trying to apprehend an a
legal immigrant? How aggressive can they be when they've been
(32:40):
told by the legislature and really the AG through posts
and other things, the veiled threats about ends of careers
and stuff that you.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Can't do this, and you know, either our country of
laws or we're not. And we had these laws for
many decades, things went smoothly, and then it was just decided, Hey,
we're going to change everything and Colorado is also trying
to lessen attempt at murder, the attempted.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Extreme and difference murder, yep, trying to make it all
go away. We've actually got that in pending prosecutions right now,
and they would love to take that away from us.
In fact, you know who was convicted of a bunch
of attempted extreme and difference murder and attempted extreme and
difference murder the dude from the Aurora theater masker, and
they want to take those charms away.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I just want to know, can you
talk to your friends with the common sense insitude or
maybe calvert in it Independence Institute starting once the law
takes effect, if pull As signs it for SB twenty
five zero zero three, can you let me know in
two years how many of those criminals did their safety
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training course before committing the crime.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I think we can already predict the answer.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
We ought to do a Karnack thing, predict it, put
it in a sealed envelope and open it up in
two years to see I think I know the answer.
One more thing on this immigration piece. The legislature, the
whack job legislature out there has just about gotten to
the point of saying, hold my SURVEYSA and Julie No
Borders Gonzales, who calls herself the Senator, she is going
(34:19):
to drop a bill I think it has yet to
drop that is going to make it illegal for any
attorney in the criminal justice system, judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I swear to God in turns in.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
My office from reporting any information about quote unquote any
individual to Ice.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
That's where we're going with the legislature.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I have no idea how we got here, but we're
here now, and the problem is I can't figure out
a way out unless we start winning elections. We are
trapped in this mess.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
I truly hope at the top level with Trump that
he can do something regarding to Soros and people like him,
because that's what has ruined a lot of the state,
all the sorrows. Back to v a Blush, you are
not one, thank.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
God, that's believe me. I asked for his money and
he wouldn't do it. No, I'm kidding, Alexa. Thank you
so much. Great hearing your voice on the radio again.
Wonderful to have you a support our listener. Listen when
we come back. Brandy Bradley talking about the legislature. Hold
on to your seats. This one's gonna blow your mind.
Child rapists going to prison. That bill died in the
(35:37):
legislature two weeks ago. Brandy Bradley. When we come back
to George Brocoler, that's the Dan Kapla Show.
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
George Brockler filling in for Dan the man Capitaliss who
I don't know if he told you guys this, but
Dan's a big time try lawyer out there, had a
huge trial set to go back to back big ones,
and of course the insurance companies they always do, caved
into him at the last minute. But he was still
nice enough to say, go on in there and tackle
(00:37):
these next two hours because I have another trial to
prepare for. So I'm gonna be with you from four
until And I think Ryan has just indicated midnight.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
God, it's actually just.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's gonna be a telethon. It's gonna be a feel
good event. It's going to be like the old Jerry
Lewis telethon. Yes, listen, huge show because there's so much
to talk about now, some of this stuff, and I'll
get to the reasons why I haven't been able to
really comment on social media otherwise, because last week was
spring break for Big Daddy, but we're going to have
(01:08):
it for whatever that after the first break is.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I'm sure there's a number in there. Kevin Grantham.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
He is a commissioner for Fremont, but you may remember
he was also the big guy in the state Senate
for the Republicans for a long time.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
He knows all the.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Stuff about the Trump portrait in the Capitol. We're going
to get the low down on that. At five thirty
and whatever that break is, we're going to have John Fabricatory.
If you've listened to the show regularly, you know Johnny
Fabbs and that his last name is Italian for soft hands.
He's going to come on to talk to us about
the two escape east from Ice and really that I
(01:46):
hope some of the behind the scenes back and forth
it's going on between Aurora and Ice and what should
have happened and what we're still struggling to see happen
in order to apprehend. I think we've got one of
the two. The other one's still out there. In the
five o'clock hour, we're going to have Representative Brandy Bradley
to talk to you about a.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Bill that she launched that is near and dear to
my heart.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I went out testified on it. It's going to come
as a shock to nobody who's paid attention to the
capital over the last however many years, it's been in
the hands of the wing nuts. But this bill died
an unceremonious death after many, many hours of testimony. I
want her to talk about that because the media didn't
(02:31):
cover it, and there's a specific reason why the Democrats
set it up so that they wouldn't be there to
cover this thing. We're also going to hear from the
Great Miranda Divine. She is going to talk to us
about the Pete Hegseth signal controversy that is everywhere. I mean,
if you have not heard about this thing, it's because
you've been in a coma until this very moment. That's
(02:51):
going to be something we're talking about. And then you
heard him at the top of the hour in the
news break, Commissioner George Teal's going to talk to us
about a historic move by my county, Douglas County, to
become a home rule county and to break itself away
just a little bit more from the Denver metro area
and their values and really instead focus on Douglas Counties.
(03:13):
But this first segment.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Is just us.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I've gotten some texts already, texts for of course, from Alexa,
who seems to know every time I'm on the radio
before I even know I'm going to be on the radio.
Here's another text, Ryan, you should know, always enjoy when
George is on the air. Hey, you should put a
bolo for Ryan if he ventures into Douglas County. Word
on the street is he's a Red Wings fan. Oh,
(03:39):
it has to be against the law in your county,
that's Patty. I think that's true. But you know it's
not so much because listen, we're First Amendment people, right,
we're being constitutionalist. We believe you should be able to
express yourself. We would never limit you from wearing the
Red Wings jersey. On the other hand, we do have
a standing policy that if you get a beat down.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Because of it, we don't prosecute. So that's all. That's it.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You express yourself however you want the subsequent beating.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
You know, I was really hoping that you would offer
me sanctuary status in doug Coe with this Red Wings
jersey on, but apparently.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
That's not the case. It's funny you bring that up.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I have thought about the idea of printing up, at
my own expense, not taxpayer money, of.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Course, get out of jail free cards.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
But I knew instantly if I were to give those out,
even in jest, that the left wingers would go nuts
and it would become some it'd become a Kyle Clark story.
So instead, what I think I'm going to do is
you remember the old Chance Orange cards for Monopoly, Sure,
and there's the law enforcement officer, the police officer dragging
away Daddy Warbucks or whatever his name is, and it says,
(04:45):
go to jail, go to directly jail. I'm going to
do that on the reverse side of my business cards.
That is how I think I want to announce to folks.
I am the district attorney for the twenty third Judicial.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Not pass go, do not collect two hundred nos, not
pass go. That's right. You come down here to steal
from us.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And the words getting out by the way it is
spreading out there. We are seeing some real changes in
the courthouse, but we're also starting to get pretty good
feedback from law enforcement on the ground that it turns
out if you.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Put people in jail who steal from you. Less people
want to steal from you.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Who knew how was going to happen. And it's only
been a couple months so far. Now listen, just a
point of personal privilege here. Last week I had spring
break with the boys and my son's my daughter's out
in Washington, d C. Twenty two now if you can
believe that, man, But she didn't have spring break.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
She's working. So my son who's up at CSU, And I'm.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
A Buffs fan, so that hurts every time I say it.
But up at CSU killing it in bio medical, whatever
he's doing up there. He happened to have spring break
at the same time as Graham and Jeff. So I
make the decision I'm going to go into significant debt
to get an experience for them, and that is we're
going to go to Barcelona and then we're going to
go to Paris. We're going to see things like the
(06:04):
Cigratta Familia with you. If you don't know what that is,
google it. It's an incredible Basilica in Barcelona. We're going
to take in all the things you would do in Paris.
I've never been to these places, you know, the Eiffel
tower and the louver and all this stuff. And the
challenge for us to do this is that my son
up at CSU has muscular dystrophe.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
So he is in a wheelchair.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
He used to be more ambulatory and was able to
get out of the chair and take a couple of
steps here and there, but not anymore. And it's a
progressive degenerative disease. He will never have more ability and
strength than he has today, and that will be true
for the rest of his life. So a lot of
this was how can we get some bucketless stuff done,
(06:50):
you know, like I want him to see as much
of the world as he can before he can't anymore.
So we go and do this thing. And I have
to tell you I was prepared for a couple things
stereotypes I took with me. I thought Europe is going
to be a dumpster fire for a disability for mobility
and stuff, because it's a billion years old, right like
compared to America, it's just gonna be cobblestones and stairs
(07:13):
and nobody's gonna not true. And Europe has, if at
least Barcelona and Paris have it figured out, and they
throw tons of resources at trying to find a way
to make things that have been in existence for in
some cases hundreds of years accessible to the disabled. And
I really appreciate that. Some things I wish they had
(07:35):
done differently, like there's.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
A you know, a couple towers in.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
The Sagatta Familia in Barcelona that they will not let
wheelchairs in.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
But other than that, it was great.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Luftanza, who we got pushed onto from United because they
just couldn't figure out a way to get their planes
to arrive in Denver on time. They were fantastic, very bureaucratic,
but man, they threw a ton of resources at it.
On the other hand, United much more challenging. I can't
tell you how many times I called, showed up in person,
said things like, I just want to make sure you
(08:06):
guys know wheelchair. We need an aislechair to get my son.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
To a seat. Yep, yep, got it, got it, got it,
got it. Day of the flight.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Coming out of Paris, they're like, oh wow, yeah, someone
put it in wrong in the notes.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
We don't have anything.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I mean, it just it was so disappointing because I'm
a big American Champion fan, as you know, and I
wanted everything to be as perfect as possible for my boys.
And it turned out America let me down when it
comes to the disability stuff. America United Airlines, they lost
a piece of the wheelchair, by the way, the only
leg of the flight where we lost a piece of
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the of the wheelchair. But otherwise it was.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
A phenomenal trip. I will be paying it off for
the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
But at this point where I'm at, and I hope
that you adopt this same thing with your family, the
stuff is just not as cool anymore as the experience.
And so whatever Ryan had to spend to get his
awesome tickets to go to the Red Wings Avs game
twenty years ago, I'd have said, nah, nah, if I
don't get him for free, or if I can't get
them on the cheap, I won't do it no more.
(09:13):
I'm gonna spend for the experience, because that's the only
thing you really get to take with you as you
move on through the rest of your life and pass
it on.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
So I wanted to share that with you. Spring Break
was phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And oh the other stereotype that the frogs are anti
American and jerkweeds, I mean, didn't you get that I
had that sense that the French were gonna be al
hoiti toity and if you don't speak the language, they
let you struggle.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Not at all.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I found the Parisians to be almost without exception, genuinely warm,
nice people. They wanted to help. They wanted to help
my son with the wheelchair, even if it meant coming
up with some rickety old ramp that they had in
the back room to get them up over the I mean,
they were just very accommodating. And so I wanted to
(10:01):
share those two things with you, because it turns out,
even when you're in your mid fifties and you look
like you're in your mid thirties, you're still learning things
every day.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Listen, I know Alexis. I'm sorry, Alexa is on the
phone right here. Ryan.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
There's a way to take this caller, But because it's
been so long since I've been in the studio, I
don't know how to press that button. Oh all right, dude,
I guess we have to take a break when we
come back, potentially Alexa, but definitely after that, we're going
to have on Kevin Grantham to talk about the Donald
(10:35):
Trump portrait controversy. Stick around George Brockler filling in for
the great One Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
It's six thirty KHW and now back to the Dankapless
Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Please tell me that's weird.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Al that is weird?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Okay, Nice, nice, nice, George. George Brockler with you here,
filling in for Dan Caplis on the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Ryan, do we have? And we do?
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Now?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I've listen.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's been a long time since I've been in the booth.
A little rusty and run in the show. But there's
a phone next to me. It has flashing lights. I'm
going to press one of the buttons next to the
flashing lights to see if it calls up our next guest.
He is a county commissioner for Fremont County. If you
can find that on a map, I'll give you five bucks.
(11:31):
He is also the former big man from the state
Senate for the Colorado Republicans. He's got so many things
in his bio it would take.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Up the rest of the interview to get to him.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
But you know him, you love him. Kevin Grantham, thanks
for joining us here on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Hey, I'll take that five bucks.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
George well, dang it, I should have said, unless you're
actually on hold?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Oh now is it? Do you go by commissioner?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Do you combine commissioner and senator and other elected things
to make something more clever like commission editor or something?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Or oh, it's it's actually all three President and commissioner
and senator. So it's Presmissionatordent.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's a T shirt right there, Presmissionator Kevin Grantham. Now
listen there, you are well aware of this controversy that
has resulted in today a big blank space with all
the other presidential portraits under the Gold Dome that you
worked at for so many years, because there were some
complaints about the Donald Trump portrait by Donald Trump. Didn't
(12:34):
find it flattering. It had been there for five years.
But that tells me something. And you had reached out
to me and said, I know stuff about this portrait.
I helped get it funded. To talk to us about
how we ended up with this portrait on the wall
and now what are we going to do?
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Well, you know it's a long, probably a longer story
than we have on time here, but you know there
is a process that used to have to go through,
and it goes through the Capitol Building Advisory Committee, which
is a makeup of some legislators and some historic files
(13:14):
that sit on that committee to decide what to do
with the Capitol Building and historic preservation and things like that,
but they also govern what goes on the walls, including
in the Presidential Portrait Gallery. And so what happened back
in twenty seventeen eighteen was that there was no money
being raised, and there's really never any effort by this
(13:37):
committee that actually sits outside of the capital to raise
that money. And somebody made light of that and put
a portrait of President Putin in the Russia place of
the Russian guy in the Capitol Building, and that sort
(13:58):
of spurred us on to do a fundraiser. Well, let's
just raise the money, and so we raised the money
in thirty two hours to commission the painting, and the
Capitol Building Advisory Committee commissioned Sarah Boardman. She did the
painting for Obama, and so she did the one for
Trump as well, and they commissioned the painting. It was
(14:22):
done and it was unveiled about a year later, in
August of twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I understand it was a paint by numbers. Is that true?
I don't.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
If I had done it, it would have been a
paint by numbers.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Now, now listen when you saw it.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
When you first saw it, you know, a year later
after this thing was commissioned, did you say to yourself, hey,
that's a smart look in portrait. Or did you think, yeah,
I wouldn't like that.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
You know, it's funny I wrap back in time and
trying to remember exact feelings and whatnot. I remember at
the unveiling that I heard no dissenting voices as far
as you know, they didn't think it was bad. And
there were that was almost ninety five percent probably Trump
(15:14):
supporters in the room when we did the unveiling, and
I heard no criticisms at all, And until a day
and a half ago, I still hadn't heard any criticisms.
But now, of course everybody has a critique and is
(15:35):
an art critic. But I don't remember looking at it
back then and saying, you know, this is just by
any stretch. In fact, if you put the actual picture
side by side with the portrait, it's it's not too bad.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I'll be honest.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I'm looking at it right here online, Kevin, and it it's.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Not completely unflattering. I don't really understand the controversy. It
looks like.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
A grumpy Alec Baldwin, although that sounds redundant, but it
sort of looks like that.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
But it doesn't look like.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It's going out of its way to be demeaning. And
I wonder, now, what's going to happen now?
Speaker 5 (16:13):
So maybe to that point real quick, George, the there
was no ill intent here by the artist. She was
actually a Trump fan and a Republican, So there's no
ill will there to the wonderful person and a great artist.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Well, and looking at this picture, she got skill. I mean,
even if you don't like it, it's a pretty good likeness.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Right, And I think so too. And you know, I
think all that aside. You know, let's say Kevin hates
it and George loves it, or George hates it and
Kevin loves it. At the end of the day, who
really cares what George and Kevin think. It's it's really
the subject matter of the portrait. You know, he's kind
(16:58):
of the first, the first refuser if if there is
such a thing, if if that person doesn't like it,
then you know, why the heck wouldn't we just trade
it out. Yeah, I think this is.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
But I presume then you guys are going to have
you guys, I presume the Republicans in the legislature are
going to have to do another fundraiser to try to
get someone else to paint a picture.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Sure, I mean there's a couple or three options on that.
First of all, there is some talk at least that
the the White House or the family they may have,
they may already have something in mind to replace it,
something that already exists, or maybe even something they commission
(17:43):
and donate themselves. That way, there's just simply no question.
As long as it meets, you know, the criteria of
size and style that goes with the other presidential portraits,
then why not just do it that way? Otherwise, you know,
we could probably get some health from the Donald to
(18:03):
maybe do some fundraising. I bet, I bet we could
break our thirty two hour record by about thirty one
hours and fifty minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
He's been the president, he's been a senator, he's been
a commissioner, he is a commissioner.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Kevin Grantham, thanks for giving us time. You've given us
stuff I've heard nowhere else. Man, Thank you. I'll talk
with you soon, Buddy. All right, thanks brother Aldemige.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Hey, George Brockler filling in for Dan Capla's when we
come back, Johnny Softans Fabricatory to talk about Eisner.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Roar.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
It's the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
You're listening to The Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Bringing up a superstar in his own right.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
He is the visiting fellow for the Border Security and
Immigration Center at an awesome think tank out in DC
called the Heritage Foundation. You know him because he has
been everywhere over the last couple of years. The one
place he isn't is where we needed him most, and
that was as our sixth Congressional District presentative.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
But I don't think he's done.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
By the way. His name is John Fabricatory. He joins
us right now, sir, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Hey, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Buddy.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Now listen, I wanted to get your impressions on this
ice story.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
It broke when I was still making my way back
from overseas for spring break. But there's a lot to
this story in terms of the ice facility out in Aurora.
You know it pretty well. There was a claimed power
outage A couple guys escaped. There was back and forth
between Ice and Aurora about communication and notification and efforts
(19:35):
to reacquire I think there's one in custody now. I
don't know if they have both, but can you bring
us up to speed on your understanding of this and
what are your impressions of what's going on?
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Sure, so there is one in custody. They were able
to catch him. Adams County caught him a few days ago, thankfully.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
You know.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Unfortunately there was in this aap here and that will
be investigated. Some spector general will come in and and
and investigate this. Uh, you know, there will be probably
more than one inspection at the facility to see where
you know, the the the problems were with this. I
(20:15):
mean we're being told that it was a power outage,
but you know there's supposed to be some backup security
on that and you know, backup generators and stuff that,
you know, so.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
That exterior doors just don't pop open.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
You know.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
Also the camera system went down, and you know a
lot of those things are are you know, as you know,
not very good to be happening when you have a
detention center. But I mean, I know Ice will take
this very seriously.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
You know.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
The the problem though was was.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
The communication between the contractor, GEO Corporation, Aurora PD and ICE.
And you know there there seems to be there have
been a lot of miscommunication which led to a lot
of finger pointing and really something that that we didn't
need in this situation.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
What John Fabricatory, what is your sense of how this thing?
Not that it happened when you were out there and
in charge, but what is your sense of what's the
normal flow of information that should take place?
Speaker 7 (21:11):
You know, you know I actually did have an escape
back when I was in charge. I'll actually tattle on myself.
I had one in twenty nineteen. You know, it has
not happened very often at that facility. I believe the
facility has been opened since nineteen eighty five. I believe
we've had less than a dozen escapes.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
You know in that time period.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
You know, there there are plans that are in place
that are supposed to be followed. You know, some of
those written plans have been around for years and have
gone through multiple you know, police chiefs and.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
ICE directors and those are.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
So you know, those are the you know, you're tried
in true checkbox method plans that are supposed to be
followed so that everyone gets the information that's necessary to
ensure that the can unity is kept safe. You know,
ICE initially put out information that Aurora PD was not
willing to help out, and Aurora PED rebutted that by
(22:11):
saying that they would have helped out had they had
a notification much sooner than it was put out.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
When you had the thing that took place in twenty
nineteen that you described, was there an immediate call that
you make right away. Is there some sort of a
protocol that requires you to work internally or back there
with the mothership in.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
DC before information is shared. I mean, what takes place?
Speaker 7 (22:37):
Well, no, I mean what really you know needed to happen.
I think, and in this situation, with my situation, they
knew that those guys went over the wall right away,
so they were able to make notifications very soon.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
I think where the issue with.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
This escape comes is that with the power outage and
the cameras being down, I'm not sure that Geo Corporation,
the contractor knew that those two individuals were actually gone.
They then went and did a head count. And this
is from what I'm being told I. You know, I
don't know if this is true or not, but what
(23:12):
I'm being told that a headcount was conducted. A head
count and when you have twelve hundred detainees is not
something that happens in thirty seconds.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
That takes time.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
And you know, they may have actually done a lockdown headcount,
which takes a lot longer because they go through every
single corner of the facility to make sure everyone is
accounted for, So that may have taken some time before
GEO then decided, yes, we did have to leave. Now
we had Now they're supposed to contact ICE. I don't
(23:43):
know when they contacted ICE. I've not been told that information.
And then they contacted Aurora PD. But even in the
nine to one one call that I was able to
listen to that the chiefs provided, it did not seem
like GEO Corporation was ready to give that out because
they didn't even have information on one of the escapees,
(24:04):
which they definitely had because they have all those biometrics
located at that facility, and they should have been better
prepared even to give that initial nine to one one call.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
This thing hopefully plays out where we capture the second
guy as well, are there federal charges related to escaping
from an ice facility?
Speaker 7 (24:24):
Yes, there are. It's an eighteen UFC, and I'd have
to look it up. I believe it's seven eighty five,
but off the top of my head right now, I'm
not remembering. So for a regular Bureau Prisons facility, it
is a felony. For an ice facility, it is a misdemeanor,
but it is still a federal charge that can be applied.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
If you don't mind. In a couple of minutes we
have left. I just wanted to shift gears. Get your
thoughts on this too. We're talking with John Fabricatory. He's
the visiting professor of all things immigration out at the
Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Jeannette Visgera.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
She is that long time legal alien activist who has
been in Denver for sixteen years. Finally apprehended leaving her
job at Target. Not sure how an illegal alien gets
a job at.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Target and she's going to be deported. Any thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I mean, it seems to have captured the at least
the mainstream media's attention.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
Yeah, I mean, the one thing that I just want
to say to everybody is she did have her bite
at the apple. I mean, she went through every single
court process you could go through for immigration, so she
actually saw the immigration judge. I believe it was back
in twenty thirteen. The immigration judge actually gave her voluntary departure,
which would have allowed her to depart without any kind
(25:38):
of ill record in her immigration record, so she could
have left and been able to come back legally.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
She chose not to.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
She chose to do a Bureau of Immigration appeals over
she wound up sneaking out of the country and going
to Mexico. So she left for Mexico for a few months,
snuck into Mexico because she didn't want anyone to know
she was there, but upon trying to sneak back in.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
She gets stopped by border patrol.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
She then gets prosecuted with eight USC thirteen twenty five,
which is illegal entry into the United States, which is
a misdemeanor.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
But I believe she.
Speaker 7 (26:12):
Got a year's probation.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
For that, so they let her back in finish.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Up her Bureau of Immigration appeals, which I don't actually
agree with.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I believe they don't understand how that makes sense.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
But anyway, yeah, I believe that she would have kept
her in custody and had the appeals hearing while she
was in custody, but it was a different time, different
place under the Obama administration, so they let her in.
The BIA comes up and says, well, you abandon your
appeal by leaving for Mexico. You deported yourself. You abandoned
your appeal. What happened next was Obama then gave her
(26:45):
a whole bunch of stays of deportation to allow her
to just stay because she then became not a priority
under the Dividen administration. So when Trump became president during
the first his first term, Trump was like, well, I'm
not giving you a stay of deportation. You were supposed
to be deported.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
You need to leave.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
What does she do?
Speaker 7 (27:03):
She hides in a church.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
For three and a half years.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Good.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
I then got involved and tried to deport her. I
was very close with doing that. It didn't work out,
and then Biden administration comes in and gives her a
couple of more stays of deportation. So this woman has
had every chance to stay in she's gone in front
of an immigration judge. She does have a criminal background.
She has the conviction of eight usc She also has
(27:27):
a conviction for fraud. She also has a conviction for
driving without a license and driving without insurance, so you know,
the left can hold her, put her up on a pedestal,
for she is exactly the reason why we need to
have our immigration system under control.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
John Fabricator, I have heard none of this information anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
That's what makes it so awesome that you're calling in
to do this.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Mayor Johnston out of Denver called it a Putin style
persecution of political dissidents.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
That is not what you just described.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
I can't thank you enough for making the dan Kaplas
Show listeners that much tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Thanks buddy, I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Thanks to migoing. Hey, that was John Fabricatory.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
He is the visiting professor of all things immigration out
there at the Heritage Foundation and expert in ice. Love
that call. When we come back, we'll get to your
phone calls as well. Stick around as we cut through
a break.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's George.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
And now back to the dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
If it's anything Michigan or Detroit related, it's Ryan Schuling.
Hell of course, behind the glass George Brockler filling in
on the Dankapler Show. Dan preparing for yet another victory
on behalf of his clients.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
We have a phone number. You should use it.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It's three oh three seven one three eight two five five.
Going to one of our many colors right now. She
claims her name is Alexa. Alexa, you're on the Dan
Capla show. What do you think?
Speaker 6 (28:51):
I want to know, mister Brockler. Did you just get
retrained as a DA being out there for four years? No?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I wish there was any of training.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
They actually have a baby, and I say they the
call Rutter District Trainings Council has a quote unquote Baby
DA school for baby das as well as baby prosecutors
in general. But I did not make it this year
to it, so I'm kind of flying blind. I'm sort
of just feeling my way around. I want to think
that being the das like riding a bike, you know
(29:21):
what I mean, Like you can take some time off,
hot back on, and you know where to go. Don't
know if that's true yet. Nobody is willing to tell
me that. I'm not wearing any clothes the Emperor thing.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
So we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Well.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
It's been four hundred and seventeen days since you hosted
a show, So what glad to have you back.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Why do you know that? Why do you know that?
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Well, because your last show was on February second, you
just do the math. It's one year in seven weeks,
in a couple of days.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I don't know why you know that, but I feel
like we should go to Vegas and get matching suits.
And when we come down the escalator, I spill a
b bunch of toothpicks on the ground and you look
at them and go forty two or something like that.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
You know, yeah, was so is that good? But I
am so sorry that Douglas County is having far too
many crimes. These last two months have been crazy, and
I want your office to have a very boring schedule
every single week, week in and week down. That has
not happened for you.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
We are working towards boring Alexa. We're working towards boring
the other thing. The other thing that we're looking at
is and we're going to heat map this thing. I
did it once before as I was leaving office, but
we were still in the process of trying to figure
out a way to make it more accurate.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
But we're going to heat map.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
This My contention is more than fifty percent of the
felonies that are committed in Douglas County are committed by
people who don't live in Douglas County. They are people
that are coming to us from places that rhyme with
Schmamora and schmember. But you know, and I know that
that's true for everything that took place at the main event.
I know that that's true for the venezuela and retail, Yeah, retail.
(30:59):
Theft gang group that we're prosecuting not from Douglas County.
And there's nothing wrong with people come into Douglas County
if you're there to start a business, to go, recreate
in the beautiful parts of Douglas, raise a family, get
an educate. None of those things are a problem. The
problem is when you come down there to bring some
crime with you. You know you should leave it back
(31:20):
up here in the north.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Definitely. Well glad. If I can't have you as a host,
I'm glad I have you as a DA.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
So same I got. I got a question for you
when you heard when you heard the.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
John Fabricatory stuff about the ice thing, did it change
your opinion at all about what was going on.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
You know what? I had read Daniel Durinsky's post a
couple of days ago about that, and it's it's disappointing
because so many things were missed that shouldn't have happened,
and you know, I and then some of the stuffies
(32:02):
at the end was new to me. So it's every
time we hear this story, George, it gets more and
more shocking what's going on, and that people just don't
seem to care what concerns me.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I'm concerned too that nothing makes sense with this anymore.
But what I'm concerned about is we have created such
a defensive, reactive environment with local law enforcement when it
comes to all things immigration that what role can aroar
a PD actually play in trying to apprehend an a
legal immigrant? How aggressive can they be when they've been
(32:40):
told by the legislature and really the AG through posts
and other things, the veiled threats about ends of careers
and stuff that you.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Can't do this, and you know, either our country of
laws or we're not. And we had these laws for
many decades, things went smoothly, and then it was just decided, Hey,
we're going to change everything and Colorado is also trying
to lessen attempt at murder, the attempted.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Extreme and difference murder, yep, trying to make it all
go away. We've actually got that in pending prosecutions right now,
and they would love to take that away from us.
In fact, you know who was convicted of a bunch
of attempted extreme and difference murder and attempted extreme and
difference murder the dude from the Aurora theater masker, and
they want to take those charms away.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Yeah, yeah, Well, I just want to know, can you
talk to your friends with the common sense insitude or
maybe calvert in it Independence Institute starting once the law
takes effect, if pull As signs it for SB twenty
five zero zero three, can you let me know in
two years how many of those criminals did their safety
(33:54):
training course before committing the crime.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I think we can already predict the answer.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
We ought to do a Karnack thing, predict it, put
it in a sealed envelope and open it up in
two years to see I think I know the answer.
One more thing on this immigration piece. The legislature, the
whack job legislature out there has just about gotten to
the point of saying, hold my SURVEYSA and Julie No
Borders Gonzales, who calls herself the Senator, she is going
(34:19):
to drop a bill I think it has yet to
drop that is going to make it illegal for any
attorney in the criminal justice system, judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I swear to God in turns in.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
My office from reporting any information about quote unquote any
individual to Ice.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
That's where we're going with the legislature.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I have no idea how we got here, but we're
here now, and the problem is I can't figure out
a way out unless we start winning elections. We are
trapped in this mess.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
I truly hope at the top level with Trump that
he can do something regarding to Soros and people like him,
because that's what has ruined a lot of the state,
all the sorrows. Back to v a Blush, you are
not one, thank.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
God, that's believe me. I asked for his money and
he wouldn't do it. No, I'm kidding, Alexa. Thank you
so much. Great hearing your voice on the radio again.
Wonderful to have you a support our listener. Listen when
we come back. Brandy Bradley talking about the legislature. Hold
on to your seats. This one's gonna blow your mind.
Child rapists going to prison. That bill died in the
(35:37):
legislature two weeks ago. Brandy Bradley. When we come back
to George Brocoler, that's the Dan Kapla Show.
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