September 8, 2025 • 29 mins
In the first hour of today's show, George Brauchler takes over for Dan Caplis and talks about the latest political news in Colorado.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Kaples and welcome to today's online podcast edition
of the Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to give
us a five star rating if you'd be so kind,
and to subscribe, download, and listen to the show every
single day on your favorite podcast platform. Instead, it's George
Brockler filling in for Dan. I'll be filling in for
the big.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Guy while he goes off and does great justice work
on behalf of his clients, both today and tomorrow. Little
teaser for tomorrow, likely the end of the show, if
only because of the presumed FCC intervention, It'll be a
guy named Steve Reims, presuming we can get his parole
officer to let him come and me right here, the
sheriff and the DA tomorrow. But today we're going to
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start off with someone. And I got to say this.
I've spoken to a lot of people on the radio
over the many years that I've been doing this. Very
few of them have ever had the fingers of a
killer inside their mouths. But this guy has joining us
right now, Stephan Tubbst and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Oh this isn't Dan. I'm sorry. I must have the
wrong radio station.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's it's me Billy, No, I'm kidding, what what's going on?
How are you feeling?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
By the way, you know, if you put the word
hit out there on a piece of paper and then
drew an S in front of it, that's all I'm
feeling right about now.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I was going I thought you were gonna go with hits,
which I thought was remarkably positive. But that's not it, dude.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, first of all, congratulations to you. I cannot believe
you're the mayor of Castle Pines. Congratulations. It's just amazing
they elected you.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
A no chance chance that. There's no way I couldn't
even be the mayor of my own home. There's no
chance that could be the mayor. Man, I want to.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Take the slations.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Mister district attorney, you're off. So you are one of
my dearest radio friends and friends in general. We've known
each other for so long.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
This is I don't know where this conversation.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Is going to go, though, because there's about fifteen things
that we could talk about.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
First and foremost, may may my.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Former dentist, doctor James Craig may he rot in hell?
And was that the biggest no brainer in the history
of maybe criminal law? You tell me you're the attorney. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I don't want to take anything away from the great
prosecution team because I know all these guys. Hell, I
hired two of them. I mean, you know Murrow and mcgreby.
I hired Ryan Brackley's been a friend for a long
long time and he's a legit, no screwing around prosecutor.
But this evidence, I feel like you could have really
done this eight million different ways and come up with
the same conclusion. I've never seen someone double down on
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their own guilt the way this guy did. It's not
enough to have had the overwhelming evidence. But when you're
in jail, go how can I make this worse? How
can I? I know, I'll enlist the help of a
fellow inmate, you know, and then I'll bring my daughter
into this and try to get her to help manufacture
I mean, it's like, buddy, how do you think the
system works?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Man?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And you know what though, George, I've said for for now,
well more than two years, especially when I was you know,
we were both over at K and US and you
at your morning show. I had the afternoon show, and look,
one of the things I'm not saying it was the reason.
But one of this, certainly, I don't know if I'm
a killer, and I've killed tried to kill my wife
for you know, the better part of two weeks or.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Whatever, and you did.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
What do you have to lose? In Colorado? Man, there's
no death penalty, no doubt. And by the way, death penalty.
So this would have.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Been a death penalty eligible murder because it was torture
and that's one of the aggravators that makes a murder.
And I'm gonna say special, but eligible for the death penalty.
And you cannot escape the conclusion that this was torture
because of who he did it, to the manner in
which he did it, and how he continued to try
to manipulate her emotionally while he was doing it. I mean,
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this was one of I said this the other day.
I don't know if you've ever heard something called crime
con Stefan. We'll talk about it later, but.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You know, I saw you all over because of Tom Mustin,
and I saw you.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
All over the weekend meeting the hob.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Nobbin with people.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Goodness the forty eight hours folks have a podcast called
post Mortem, and they did a live one at this
comic Con thing, which is I mean at crime Con,
which is like comic Con was up at the Gay Lord.
There's about seven thousand people that sign up for the
weekend and there's about a thousand people jammed in this
room and they said, hey, could you come talk to
us about the James Craig case because during the trial,
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during the case, the early parts when the prosecutors couldn't,
they were like, could you be a surrogate for them?
And I'm like, in only this way, no other way
in my life would I do that, but yes, for
purposes of talking about this case, and so they had
me back. It was it was incredible, man, This crime
Con thing is legit.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, somebody told me that Dateline just this past weekend
did one of their episodes on the James Craig murder.
You and I did. Gosh, can you believe it's been
more than two years.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Since you and I sat down with forty eight.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Hours to do that. And then with my recent health stuff,
I've had to turn down. Like I mean since the
you know, the verdict and sentencing. I mean, people were
coming out of the woodwork.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You know, he was your dentist this weekend for sure, he.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Was a dentist of hundreds of people. It just so
happened that, you know, when I was at Kowa years ago,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
For like seven or eight years, I did his ads.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I liked the guy. He was a very competent dentist.
I as you know, you know, I knew Angela Craig.
I didn't know her well. I knew all about his family,
and I don't know. I just I never, actually, after
this conversation ever even want to say this idiot murderer's
name again. And I will say this again. Condolences to
first and foremost the six kids.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That are now forever without victims.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You know, both their parents and certainly Angela's family and
all of her friends. I mean, it's just tragic.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
We're talking with Stephan Tubbs, career news guy now working
for the Man. I know you didn't call in for that,
but I do want to say this one thing. Given
the evidence that came out about how this guy had
conducted his life outside of the home, are you the
least bit insulted? He never hit on you, because you
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would be one of the only ones.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
He did the influence of a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I hope he never did.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well you hope. Yeah, anyway, you wanted to call in
for actually something pretty poignant and important here that affects radio,
and it was this is a listener that wasn't just
big for us out there in the other radio station world,
but big for Dan too and everyone on six point thirty.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Oh my gosh, rest in peace to that great American
Eric J. Manning. If you listen to by chance, when
Eric would call on seven ten or this, you know,
Okay or Kowa or anybody else, we lost a great
American patriot. This guy fought health issues for since I
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had ever even.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
First heard his name.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
But you want to talk about a patriot, a warrior,
somebody who was very off color in his humor at times,
which is George right up people like you and me
right up our alley. He would take it right to
the limit, but he would call me big baby, and hey,
you great American. And Eric passed on Friday after a
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long dance battle with health issues, including of course cancer.
And I know I believe some of his family and
those that love him or are listening right now, And
to those of you, thank you to you and your
family for allowing this guy. George. He would listen. He
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would listen to talk radio. He would stay flat out
when he would call on the air, Hey, I got
you going in seven different rooms, and I got radios
here and there, And you know, his family put up
with him when it came to his love and passion
for talk radio. But he became one of my all
time favorite callers. I would do some fill in work
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earlier this year, and you know, he was one of
my first phone call I'm not trying to make this
about me at all, but I shared for a very
brief time, Eric Vinny and I had something in common.
We both you know, were suffering from from prostate cancer.
And my voice still hasn't come back, and I still
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feel like crap. And I'll hit the two week marks
since my surgery tomorrow. But guess who was there? Guess
who was there on a phone call. And I had
called him as well to let him know. But guess
who was there via text up until I think it
was a week ago tomorrow. I got a text from
him whenever September third was he says, I love you,
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you great American, and and he passed on Friday.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
But one of the big reasons.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Why I know, you know, we wanted to make sure
that people knew is look. I talked with one of
his beautiful daughters over the weekend and he did not
apparently have It's none of my business or concern and
it's private, but apparently there were some funding issues with
the life insurance and there was a go fund me.
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Their their go fundme goal with seven thousand dollars and
I think they've more than halfway hit that. But I
would just encourage any of you friends listening if if you,
you know, just put in the GoFundMe search Eric E.
R I C. Manning like Peyton and you know Denver
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for the location. But if you could even donate ten bucks,
you know, help this family out. But George, I know
he was such a huge fan and friend of yours.
Could you mind?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And he was My memories of Eric too, There were
even where he would call in to correct me or
disagree with me. Two things I always remember about that guy,
well three things. One was the great American line that
he gave to everybody, which was great, yep. And then
the which by the way, I found helpful in that
I think he was reminding himself and others that hate
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were all Americans. You know what I mean, Like it
was all it was something nice to do. But the
dude was always positive. Like you and I have had
grumpy callers. Dudes, never a grumpy caller. And he was
always respectful, you know what I mean, even when he
was saying stuff that was, you know, funny tongue in cheekish.
I just I found the guy to be the least
offensive guy that we would get on the phone many times.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Well, you always knew it for me, at least I know.
I always knew he had a tendency for me. My
show used to wrap up at seven pm, and he
had a tendency Sometimes I'm like, dude, why are you
calling with thirty seconds to go in the show. But
we'd always joke about it because I would always on
the air end the call with I love you.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
I go, I love you, I love you, And it.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Was just back and forth. And here's a guy who
you know, he he.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
He hustled all the time.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
He was the first time I met him, he was.
He was at that anti not I wasn't there for
this reason. It was that anti Ice rally, just the
debacle ridiculousness where they raised the Mexican flag and fabricatory
was still over there, and you know, we went the
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alternate route. We're like, we're going to show up and
we're going to support there. And that's the first time
I had met Eric in person.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
And you know, look, the guy was battling health issues.
But the one thing that.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
He was always to me, and I know this may
sound corny, but he was always ready to battle for
the country via his voice. What he believed in on
talk radio and brother is you know, it did matter
what radio station it was in the Denver area, and
there are few.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
If it was talk radio and he could.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Get on it, he would have something to deliver. And
I just feel a really big sense of loss of
a friend of somebody that was great to all of
us in radio. And I hope that anybody listening can
can go and assist the family during this time. His
funeral service will be on his birthday coming up October sixth.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention,
and we'll talk about it again before shows. Are you
sound great, man? I hope I get to see you
really soon. Thank you for calling in.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Thank you, brother, Love you, love you too. Man.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Hey. That's Stephan Tubbs, right here on the Dan CAPLI,
so we're going to cut away for a break, get
into it a little bit earlier than I think we
thought we would. That's a joke, by the way. We
went long on that segment, but for a good, good reason.
When we come back, somebody from the Daily Mail. If
you haven't checked out the website, you got to best
news source on the planet. Sheila Flint Flynn coming up
right here on the Dan Capla Show. My name is
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George Brockler. Stick around and now back to the Dan
Kaplas Show podcast out for a little bit doing the
great work that he does in the courtroom. My thanks
to Stefan Tubes who called in to talk about Eric
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Manning a lost listener. Great dude, and we just I
don't know there there aren't more than a handful of
listeners that you can count on to to spend as
much time across so many different platforms stations as Eric Manning,
and it's a tough loss. Hey, here's what I want
to talk about though. This weekend I had mentioned I
did this crime con thing, which I'll be honest, four
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months ago had never ever never heard of it. But
then a reporter that we were working with on another story,
said Hey, we're coming out to Denver for crime con
will you guys be there, and then began this sort
of effort to try to figure out what it was.
And it was, in short, freaking awesome to help us
have a conversation about that. But really, I want to
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just start a conversation with around the radio that we
can continue to use in the future, because she's a
super reporter for a website. If you haven't been to it,
you're cheating yourself out of this. Okay, somebody turned me
on to the dailymail dot com. This thing is the
most comprehensive, reliable information you are gonna get on crime,
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on really almost any story. I don't know where they
get the pictures they get, I don't know where they
get the information they get, but it is the most comprehensive.
Forget Fox, CNN, whatever else you're going to. You know,
I imagine some of you are on huff Post. I'm kidding.
I don't believe that at all, but to talk about that,
I am thrilled to bring on board here someone I
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just had the pleasure of meeting this weekend, Sheila Flynn. Sheila,
how are you Hi, George.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Good.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
How are you today?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I am great, and it was so nice meeting you
yesterday out there at the Gay Lord and Aurora.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Yes, it was wonderful and I really enjoyed your talk
as well.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Hey, thanks for saying that that, by the way, that
was unexpected too. I figured on a where they had
me speak. That's the last day of the conference, after
lunch with Broncos kickoff. Right in the middle of my presentation.
There would be maybe ten people in the room and
they were all recovering from something or hiding from a spouse.
I don't know, but it turns out there was a
lot of people in there.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
It was, and I think it also shows the interest
that so many people have in justice and true crime.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well, to get to that point, though, I want to
start with talking about you. You write for the Daily Mail. First,
describe what is the Daily Mail and why should people
go there? I gave my pitch on it. Why do
you write for them?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I write for them. I first started my career with
the Daily Mail when I was living in Dublin, Ireland
in two thousand and eight, and I had worked for
American media before that, the Associated Press. I also was
not extremely familiar with the mail, but when I started
working for them there and now as I work for
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them here and I work with them in a few
states and I travel a lot. One thing that we're very,
very dedicated to is telling the stories of real people
and real victims and letting people truly get to know
what families go through and telling that with humanity and
accuracy and depth. And it's something I have a lot
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of opportunities to do here in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
What amazes me is not just that aspect of it,
which is huge, because you just don't get that. It
feels like there's no limit to how long your stories
can be too. By the way, they don't feel long
to me, but they feel comprehensive. And that's the part
that gets me too.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Wait, we do have some word counts, but they do
let us let them run along when the story merits it.
And you know that, as I said, we're very committed
to telling them in the best way possible. So I'm
glad that you noticed that as well.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh, if I had one, if I had limited time,
and I'm like, man, I need to know about this story,
I would go there. Hey, you're gonna stick around with us, though,
so we can really do a deep dive into this
fair right, Sheila Flynn from the Daily Mail. Stick around.
You can text us at five seven seven three nine,
put Dan in the heading and George is awesome, and
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then your note. It's me George Brockler filling in for
Dan Caplis on the Dan Capless Show. You're listening to
The Dan Caplis Show podcast at the sheriff in the
da in the studio. The Sheriff's name is Esteban Riems.
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He is going to be here, I think to help
me wish the Dan Show goodbye, because I can't imagine
the FCC allows this thing to go on past tomorrow.
Make sure you stick around.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Then.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
We have a great guest on the phone right now.
Her name is Sheila Flinch. She stuck over from the break.
She is from the Daily Mail. I was just on
the Daily Mail right now, Sheila looking up trying to
find information on the Phillies Karen, the woman who grabbed
up the ball from that kid. Are you familiar with
that story?
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I am familiar with the story. I have not covered
it though, idiot.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
But the Daily Mail, I'm telling you go there and
the links. This is crazy. I mean, just folks. Usually
you got to go check it out, you got to
go check out the daily mail. One, I apologize in
advance because you're going to lose thirty minutes to an
hour just clicking through everything. But then two, you're welcome
for turning you onto this thing because it's so comprehensive.
Can I ask you before we get into crime con
how in the world did you get on the crime
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beat amongst the other things that you do.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Well, that's it. I'm something of a jack of all
trades reporter. I've been doing this for more than twenty years,
so I will cover any big story under the sun.
I am always looking for ideas. If anybody is listening,
I'm always listening to please contact me. But I ended
up just I moved to Colorado four years ago and
a number of big trials and events happened while I
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was here, and a lot of them I felt the
victims weren't necessarily getting as much airtime or print time
as they deserve. So I really enjoy going to trials,
getting the comprehensive picture and fully honoring and memorializing the
victims and how they lived, not just how they died.
In our reporting, I hope that comes across, but it
just kind of fell in my lap a lot of
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these cases. I do feel a huge responsibility though to
the victims and their families, and it has become something
of I would say, a mission for me. And I
covered crime con alongside our actual crime correspondent based in
New York, Rachel Sharp, and I'm sure she feels the
exact same way, you know, just as you, as a
DA feel her responsibility to victims and their families. We
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share that I feel.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Which are the cases that when you got here to Colorado?
And by the way, which part of the metro area
do you live in Denver?
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Well, I just moved to Aurora. But I'm so used
to telling people outside of the state where I live Denver.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
It's just easier, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
But I'm at the end of Aora near Parker.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I was okay, if you could just cross the border
into Douglas County, you would be so much safer. But nonetheless,
the stories that you talked about, like when you got
here that you felt like, I don't they caught your attention,
but you don't think the victims are getting the kind
of focus that they deserve. What were the big cases
that stuck out to you.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
The two biggest ones probably that I have covered. The
trial both actually happened this year. The crimes happened earlier,
but I covered the murder of Christille Krug, a wonderful
mother from Broomfield, whose husband pretended to be her ex boyfriend,
pretended to stalk her as the ex boyfriend, framed the
ex boyfriend and murdered her. And you know, I felt
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that her story and who she was and who she
was as a mother, she just needed to have her
story told and she needed to have that trial covered.
That was in April, and then I did cover the
now pretty infamous case. I actually have a feature on
the website right now about the murder of Angela Craig,
the Aurora mother of six who was fatally poisoned by
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her dentist husband, James Craigs, who's now serving life. And
I wanted to do a big rap of that trial
to kind of show the deviousness and just the evil
of his crimes, as well as the fact that she
was just a wonderful woman. This never should have happened too,
So I really do like to give a good narrative
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overview of these cases rather than just quick news that,
you know, let people do a big, meaty read to
see who these women were. Let their names not be forgotten.
I hate when just the perpetrators get attention. So those
were the two most recent big ones that really have
struck with me and always will.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I think you're right. By the way, there's a movement
that kind of grew out of the Aurora Theater case
that the Teeves, the parents of Alex Tves had Tom
and Karen had put out there called no Notoriety, which
was an effort to sort of dmmphasize the offender and say, look,
we acknowledge you have to report on who it is
to begin with, but let's after that, let's not do
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the picture and the name thing all the time. Let's
focus on the victim. So I'm glad you're doing that.
The one about the Craig case, Angela, she seems now.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
You spoke at crime, come I did.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
It just seemed like she was such a forgiving woman
to this guy that continued to betray her over and
over and over again, and she still trusted him, maybe
almost to the end, I don't know, but she just
seemed like all of that effort to try to keep
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this family together and to probably keep it intact for
the kids and for her faith and all that that,
all of that stuff ultimately is what made her vulnerable
to this monster.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
And to show the depths of how monstrous he was,
I think is our job. And I want people not
just you know, a lot of amateurs lose, a lot
of people who read the news, people get caught up
in the police's details. But when you sit through a
trial and see the depths of manipulation and dishonesty and lives,
you really try to get that across with how we
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hold some of these criminals are in our reporting. I
hope I can share that with people, because there is
evil out there and there are people who take advantage,
and he had everybody fooled that does this, you know,
sitting in these trials and you know this, of course,
But I'm looking at the relatives who had Christmas dinners
and thanksgivings not so long ago with this guy sitting
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at the defense table, and you just think, you never
think anyone is capable of this, but they are. And
I mean, I don't want to get into a whole
thing about humanity, but I feel like, it's our job
to kind of show people to be aware, to remember
the victims, and just to tell their story as well.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
And I think you do that. Can I ask you,
what is this the first crime con you've ever been to,
and what were your takeaways?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
It was?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I really did not know what to expect, much like yourself.
I'm sure I had been aware of it for a while,
but it was certainly a scene. It was very interesting,
and it was fascinating to see the interplay of detective
law enforcement das, bounty hunters, amateur sloops who are just
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you know, moms in the suburbs, kind of all gathering
in one space. And I did actually like how a
lot more of it than I perhaps expected was focused
on the victims. You know, all of these people, even
if they were just podcast fans or podcasters themselves. Everybody
was walking by daily a big board with missing persons posters,
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you know, where people's names are remembered, and it gave
a chance for relatives and victims or even just people
who care about some lesser known cases to try and
make connectans, to try and have those victims' voices heard,
and a lot of the opportunities of very very brave
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victim relatives to get up there, their stories, their advocacy,
their efforts to change legislation, and have their loved ones remembered.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
It was.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
It was very interesting and I think I think all
of the well I hope all of the attendees took
that away from it and didn't just look at it
as entertainment. A lot of these true crime podcasts realized
there are true victims and real people on the other
side and vast ripple effects from these crimes.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Well, I think it was very victim focused. I agree.
I didn't know what to expect.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Well, it was more so than I expected too.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, And the other thing that I was blown away
by was one the level of commitment and the depth
of knowledge of the attendees. Like there were people that
would come up to me and ask me about stuff
about the Aurora Theater case that I didn't even remember
until they brought it up, and like, these are people
that knew this stuff. And then the other thing is
the podcasting world. I had not really considered how big
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and deep that was the fandom for that thing, and
some folks I didn't even know. This dude had a
podcast guy named Scott Reisch. He's a defense attorney in
the area. I've been working with and against Scott for
thirty years. Great guy. I see him there. I'm like, well,
what are you doing. He's like, oh, we have this
booth in this podcast. I go how many people? He goes, well,
between YouTube and whatever, the other thing is got about
eight hundred thousand. I'm like, what what are you talking about? Like,
(26:26):
He's like, oh yeah. People keep coming up to me
and they're like, oh, I watch you with the I'm like,
I just take for granted that the stuff that we
do on a daily basis has a limited reach, but
all of these podcasters amplify that reach based on the
case and the work and stuff one hundredfold. And then
people like you Sheila to do that. And it's incredible
(26:47):
how much people are taken with wanting to stay on
top of the crime stuff.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I know, and you know, I spoke to many attendees.
This was their third or fourth crime con and they've
traveled over the country. They spend thousands to go through it,
and many of them said that what's at the forefront
as they for example, wore t shirts with the Idaho
for on them, you know, that they were doing this
(27:13):
to continue honoring the victims and keep their memory alive,
just like I'm trying to do. And there was huge
compassion and empathy from a lot of these people, and
you could tell they would do whatever they could to
help the families they I saw. I saw attendees stop
victim relatives they recognized just passing in the hallway and say,
Oh my God, my heart goes out to you. You're
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always in my thoughts. You know, there are a lot
of a lot of care.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Wow, Sheila Flynn, How can people get out to you
with those those story ideas that they have them? Is
there the best way to do it?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
They could email me? Should I give my email if
it's so. It's Sheila s h E. I l A
dot Flynn f as in Frank l y and is
in Nancy, and is in Nancy at dailymail dot com.
That's Flat Duslin at dailymail dot com. And I would
love to tell anybody's stories. Please reach out to.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Me and please go to the dailymail dot com. That
place is awesome, Sheila. I hope this isn't the last
time we get a chance to chat about the great
work that you're doing.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Oh, thank you, and thank you for your work George
and putting criminals away and looking out for victims yourself.
And I'm sure this is not our last compensation at all.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Awesome. Sheila Flynn from the Daily Mail, Thank you so much. Listen, hey,
when we come back, I want to get to your texts,
and that presupposes I can make the computer work, and
right now that's a big giant purple question mark. But
if I can, it's five seven seven three nine five
seven seven three nine text that number. Put Dan in
the first part, George is better than Steve in the
second part, and then your text or you can give
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us a call, of course at three oh three seven
one three eighty two fifty five three or three seven
one three eight two five five and the five o'clock hour,
Susie Ward, and we're going to talk about that crazy
Phillies baseball lady, and get your take on it. I
have my own thoughts. George Brockler filling in for Dan Kaplis.
(29:02):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast old
to me and yet man, I love that music. I'm
gonna listen to that going home. Thank you for the
bumper music on that Hey, my thanks to Sheila Flynn,
also from the Daily Mail. You got to check out
what she does and email her your story ideas at
Sheila dot Flynn at dailymail dot com, but also just
go check out dailymail dot com. I'm telling you, man
(29:23):
it I didn't think I would like it, and then
you start to get into it and you're like, dang,
this thing is more comprehensive and it's just better. I
don't know how to describe it. It's my one stop
shop for most of the new stuff that we get
to
This is Dan Kaples and welcome to today's online podcast edition
of the Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to give
us a five star rating if you'd be so kind,
and to subscribe, download, and listen to the show every
single day on your favorite podcast platform. Instead, it's George
Brockler filling in for Dan. I'll be filling in for
the big.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Guy while he goes off and does great justice work
on behalf of his clients, both today and tomorrow. Little
teaser for tomorrow, likely the end of the show, if
only because of the presumed FCC intervention, It'll be a
guy named Steve Reims, presuming we can get his parole
officer to let him come and me right here, the
sheriff and the DA tomorrow. But today we're going to
(00:42):
start off with someone. And I got to say this.
I've spoken to a lot of people on the radio
over the many years that I've been doing this. Very
few of them have ever had the fingers of a
killer inside their mouths. But this guy has joining us
right now, Stephan Tubbst and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Oh this isn't Dan. I'm sorry. I must have the
wrong radio station.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's it's me Billy, No, I'm kidding, what what's going on?
How are you feeling?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
By the way, you know, if you put the word
hit out there on a piece of paper and then
drew an S in front of it, that's all I'm
feeling right about now.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I was going I thought you were gonna go with hits,
which I thought was remarkably positive. But that's not it, dude.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, first of all, congratulations to you. I cannot believe
you're the mayor of Castle Pines. Congratulations. It's just amazing
they elected you.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
A no chance chance that. There's no way I couldn't
even be the mayor of my own home. There's no
chance that could be the mayor. Man, I want to.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Take the slations.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Mister district attorney, you're off. So you are one of
my dearest radio friends and friends in general. We've known
each other for so long.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
This is I don't know where this conversation.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Is going to go, though, because there's about fifteen things
that we could talk about.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
First and foremost, may may my.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Former dentist, doctor James Craig may he rot in hell?
And was that the biggest no brainer in the history
of maybe criminal law? You tell me you're the attorney. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I don't want to take anything away from the great
prosecution team because I know all these guys. Hell, I
hired two of them. I mean, you know Murrow and mcgreby.
I hired Ryan Brackley's been a friend for a long
long time and he's a legit, no screwing around prosecutor.
But this evidence, I feel like you could have really
done this eight million different ways and come up with
the same conclusion. I've never seen someone double down on
(02:52):
their own guilt the way this guy did. It's not
enough to have had the overwhelming evidence. But when you're
in jail, go how can I make this worse? How
can I? I know, I'll enlist the help of a
fellow inmate, you know, and then I'll bring my daughter
into this and try to get her to help manufacture
I mean, it's like, buddy, how do you think the
system works?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Man?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And you know what though, George, I've said for for now,
well more than two years, especially when I was you know,
we were both over at K and US and you
at your morning show. I had the afternoon show, and look,
one of the things I'm not saying it was the reason.
But one of this, certainly, I don't know if I'm
a killer, and I've killed tried to kill my wife
for you know, the better part of two weeks or.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Whatever, and you did.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
What do you have to lose? In Colorado? Man, there's
no death penalty, no doubt. And by the way, death penalty.
So this would have.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Been a death penalty eligible murder because it was torture
and that's one of the aggravators that makes a murder.
And I'm gonna say special, but eligible for the death penalty.
And you cannot escape the conclusion that this was torture
because of who he did it, to the manner in
which he did it, and how he continued to try
to manipulate her emotionally while he was doing it. I mean,
(04:00):
this was one of I said this the other day.
I don't know if you've ever heard something called crime
con Stefan. We'll talk about it later, but.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You know, I saw you all over because of Tom Mustin,
and I saw you.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
All over the weekend meeting the hob.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Nobbin with people.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Goodness the forty eight hours folks have a podcast called
post Mortem, and they did a live one at this
comic Con thing, which is I mean at crime Con,
which is like comic Con was up at the Gay Lord.
There's about seven thousand people that sign up for the
weekend and there's about a thousand people jammed in this
room and they said, hey, could you come talk to
us about the James Craig case because during the trial,
(04:36):
during the case, the early parts when the prosecutors couldn't,
they were like, could you be a surrogate for them?
And I'm like, in only this way, no other way
in my life would I do that, but yes, for
purposes of talking about this case, and so they had
me back. It was it was incredible, man, This crime
Con thing is legit.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, somebody told me that Dateline just this past weekend
did one of their episodes on the James Craig murder.
You and I did. Gosh, can you believe it's been
more than two years.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Since you and I sat down with forty eight.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Hours to do that. And then with my recent health stuff,
I've had to turn down. Like I mean since the
you know, the verdict and sentencing. I mean, people were
coming out of the woodwork.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You know, he was your dentist this weekend for sure, he.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Was a dentist of hundreds of people. It just so
happened that, you know, when I was at Kowa years ago,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
For like seven or eight years, I did his ads.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I liked the guy. He was a very competent dentist.
I as you know, you know, I knew Angela Craig.
I didn't know her well. I knew all about his family,
and I don't know. I just I never, actually, after
this conversation ever even want to say this idiot murderer's
name again. And I will say this again. Condolences to
first and foremost the six kids.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That are now forever without victims.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You know, both their parents and certainly Angela's family and
all of her friends. I mean, it's just tragic.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
We're talking with Stephan Tubbs, career news guy now working
for the Man. I know you didn't call in for that,
but I do want to say this one thing. Given
the evidence that came out about how this guy had
conducted his life outside of the home, are you the
least bit insulted? He never hit on you, because you
(06:21):
would be one of the only ones.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
He did the influence of a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I hope he never did.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well you hope. Yeah, anyway, you wanted to call in
for actually something pretty poignant and important here that affects radio,
and it was this is a listener that wasn't just
big for us out there in the other radio station world,
but big for Dan too and everyone on six point thirty.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Oh my gosh, rest in peace to that great American
Eric J. Manning. If you listen to by chance, when
Eric would call on seven ten or this, you know,
Okay or Kowa or anybody else, we lost a great
American patriot. This guy fought health issues for since I
(07:09):
had ever even.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
First heard his name.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
But you want to talk about a patriot, a warrior,
somebody who was very off color in his humor at times,
which is George right up people like you and me
right up our alley. He would take it right to
the limit, but he would call me big baby, and hey,
you great American. And Eric passed on Friday after a
(07:35):
long dance battle with health issues, including of course cancer.
And I know I believe some of his family and
those that love him or are listening right now, And
to those of you, thank you to you and your
family for allowing this guy. George. He would listen. He
(07:55):
would listen to talk radio. He would stay flat out
when he would call on the air, Hey, I got
you going in seven different rooms, and I got radios
here and there, And you know, his family put up
with him when it came to his love and passion
for talk radio. But he became one of my all
time favorite callers. I would do some fill in work
(08:19):
earlier this year, and you know, he was one of
my first phone call I'm not trying to make this
about me at all, but I shared for a very
brief time, Eric Vinny and I had something in common.
We both you know, were suffering from from prostate cancer.
And my voice still hasn't come back, and I still
(08:39):
feel like crap. And I'll hit the two week marks
since my surgery tomorrow. But guess who was there? Guess
who was there on a phone call. And I had
called him as well to let him know. But guess
who was there via text up until I think it
was a week ago tomorrow. I got a text from
him whenever September third was he says, I love you,
(09:01):
you great American, and and he passed on Friday.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
But one of the big reasons.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Why I know, you know, we wanted to make sure
that people knew is look. I talked with one of
his beautiful daughters over the weekend and he did not
apparently have It's none of my business or concern and
it's private, but apparently there were some funding issues with
the life insurance and there was a go fund me.
(09:29):
Their their go fundme goal with seven thousand dollars and
I think they've more than halfway hit that. But I
would just encourage any of you friends listening if if you,
you know, just put in the GoFundMe search Eric E.
R I C. Manning like Peyton and you know Denver
(09:49):
for the location. But if you could even donate ten bucks,
you know, help this family out. But George, I know
he was such a huge fan and friend of yours.
Could you mind?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
And he was My memories of Eric too, There were
even where he would call in to correct me or
disagree with me. Two things I always remember about that guy,
well three things. One was the great American line that
he gave to everybody, which was great, yep. And then
the which by the way, I found helpful in that
I think he was reminding himself and others that hate
(10:20):
were all Americans. You know what I mean, Like it
was all it was something nice to do. But the
dude was always positive. Like you and I have had
grumpy callers. Dudes, never a grumpy caller. And he was
always respectful, you know what I mean, even when he
was saying stuff that was, you know, funny tongue in cheekish.
I just I found the guy to be the least
offensive guy that we would get on the phone many times.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Well, you always knew it for me, at least I know.
I always knew he had a tendency for me. My
show used to wrap up at seven pm, and he
had a tendency Sometimes I'm like, dude, why are you
calling with thirty seconds to go in the show. But
we'd always joke about it because I would always on
the air end the call with I love you.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
I go, I love you, I love you, And it.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Was just back and forth. And here's a guy who
you know, he he.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
He hustled all the time.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
He was the first time I met him, he was.
He was at that anti not I wasn't there for
this reason. It was that anti Ice rally, just the
debacle ridiculousness where they raised the Mexican flag and fabricatory
was still over there, and you know, we went the
(11:29):
alternate route. We're like, we're going to show up and
we're going to support there. And that's the first time
I had met Eric in person.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
And you know, look, the guy was battling health issues.
But the one thing that.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
He was always to me, and I know this may
sound corny, but he was always ready to battle for
the country via his voice. What he believed in on
talk radio and brother is you know, it did matter
what radio station it was in the Denver area, and
there are few.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
If it was talk radio and he could.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Get on it, he would have something to deliver. And
I just feel a really big sense of loss of
a friend of somebody that was great to all of
us in radio. And I hope that anybody listening can
can go and assist the family during this time. His
funeral service will be on his birthday coming up October sixth.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention,
and we'll talk about it again before shows. Are you
sound great, man? I hope I get to see you
really soon. Thank you for calling in.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Thank you, brother, Love you, love you too. Man.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Hey. That's Stephan Tubbs, right here on the Dan CAPLI,
so we're going to cut away for a break, get
into it a little bit earlier than I think we
thought we would. That's a joke, by the way. We
went long on that segment, but for a good, good reason.
When we come back, somebody from the Daily Mail. If
you haven't checked out the website, you got to best
news source on the planet. Sheila Flint Flynn coming up
right here on the Dan Capla Show. My name is
(12:53):
George Brockler. Stick around and now back to the Dan
Kaplas Show podcast out for a little bit doing the
great work that he does in the courtroom. My thanks
to Stefan Tubes who called in to talk about Eric
(13:13):
Manning a lost listener. Great dude, and we just I
don't know there there aren't more than a handful of
listeners that you can count on to to spend as
much time across so many different platforms stations as Eric Manning,
and it's a tough loss. Hey, here's what I want
to talk about though. This weekend I had mentioned I
did this crime con thing, which I'll be honest, four
(13:35):
months ago had never ever never heard of it. But
then a reporter that we were working with on another story,
said Hey, we're coming out to Denver for crime con
will you guys be there, and then began this sort
of effort to try to figure out what it was.
And it was, in short, freaking awesome to help us
have a conversation about that. But really, I want to
(13:57):
just start a conversation with around the radio that we
can continue to use in the future, because she's a
super reporter for a website. If you haven't been to it,
you're cheating yourself out of this. Okay, somebody turned me
on to the dailymail dot com. This thing is the
most comprehensive, reliable information you are gonna get on crime,
(14:18):
on really almost any story. I don't know where they
get the pictures they get, I don't know where they
get the information they get, but it is the most comprehensive.
Forget Fox, CNN, whatever else you're going to. You know,
I imagine some of you are on huff Post. I'm kidding.
I don't believe that at all, but to talk about that,
I am thrilled to bring on board here someone I
(14:39):
just had the pleasure of meeting this weekend, Sheila Flynn. Sheila,
how are you Hi, George.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Good.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
How are you today?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I am great, and it was so nice meeting you
yesterday out there at the Gay Lord and Aurora.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Yes, it was wonderful and I really enjoyed your talk
as well.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Hey, thanks for saying that that, by the way, that
was unexpected too. I figured on a where they had
me speak. That's the last day of the conference, after
lunch with Broncos kickoff. Right in the middle of my presentation.
There would be maybe ten people in the room and
they were all recovering from something or hiding from a spouse.
I don't know, but it turns out there was a
lot of people in there.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
It was, and I think it also shows the interest
that so many people have in justice and true crime.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well, to get to that point, though, I want to
start with talking about you. You write for the Daily Mail. First,
describe what is the Daily Mail and why should people
go there? I gave my pitch on it. Why do
you write for them?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I write for them. I first started my career with
the Daily Mail when I was living in Dublin, Ireland
in two thousand and eight, and I had worked for
American media before that, the Associated Press. I also was
not extremely familiar with the mail, but when I started
working for them there and now as I work for
(15:59):
them here and I work with them in a few
states and I travel a lot. One thing that we're very,
very dedicated to is telling the stories of real people
and real victims and letting people truly get to know
what families go through and telling that with humanity and
accuracy and depth. And it's something I have a lot
(16:22):
of opportunities to do here in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
What amazes me is not just that aspect of it,
which is huge, because you just don't get that. It
feels like there's no limit to how long your stories
can be too. By the way, they don't feel long
to me, but they feel comprehensive. And that's the part
that gets me too.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Wait, we do have some word counts, but they do
let us let them run along when the story merits it.
And you know that, as I said, we're very committed
to telling them in the best way possible. So I'm
glad that you noticed that as well.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh, if I had one, if I had limited time,
and I'm like, man, I need to know about this story,
I would go there. Hey, you're gonna stick around with us, though,
so we can really do a deep dive into this
fair right, Sheila Flynn from the Daily Mail. Stick around.
You can text us at five seven seven three nine,
put Dan in the heading and George is awesome, and
(17:13):
then your note. It's me George Brockler filling in for
Dan Caplis on the Dan Capless Show. You're listening to
The Dan Caplis Show podcast at the sheriff in the
da in the studio. The Sheriff's name is Esteban Riems.
(17:37):
He is going to be here, I think to help
me wish the Dan Show goodbye, because I can't imagine
the FCC allows this thing to go on past tomorrow.
Make sure you stick around.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Then.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
We have a great guest on the phone right now.
Her name is Sheila Flinch. She stuck over from the break.
She is from the Daily Mail. I was just on
the Daily Mail right now, Sheila looking up trying to
find information on the Phillies Karen, the woman who grabbed
up the ball from that kid. Are you familiar with
that story?
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I am familiar with the story. I have not covered
it though, idiot.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
But the Daily Mail, I'm telling you go there and
the links. This is crazy. I mean, just folks. Usually
you got to go check it out, you got to
go check out the daily mail. One, I apologize in
advance because you're going to lose thirty minutes to an
hour just clicking through everything. But then two, you're welcome
for turning you onto this thing because it's so comprehensive.
Can I ask you before we get into crime con
how in the world did you get on the crime
(18:32):
beat amongst the other things that you do.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Well, that's it. I'm something of a jack of all
trades reporter. I've been doing this for more than twenty years,
so I will cover any big story under the sun.
I am always looking for ideas. If anybody is listening,
I'm always listening to please contact me. But I ended
up just I moved to Colorado four years ago and
a number of big trials and events happened while I
(18:58):
was here, and a lot of them I felt the
victims weren't necessarily getting as much airtime or print time
as they deserve. So I really enjoy going to trials,
getting the comprehensive picture and fully honoring and memorializing the
victims and how they lived, not just how they died.
In our reporting, I hope that comes across, but it
just kind of fell in my lap a lot of
(19:20):
these cases. I do feel a huge responsibility though to
the victims and their families, and it has become something
of I would say, a mission for me. And I
covered crime con alongside our actual crime correspondent based in
New York, Rachel Sharp, and I'm sure she feels the
exact same way, you know, just as you, as a
DA feel her responsibility to victims and their families. We
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share that I feel.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Which are the cases that when you got here to Colorado?
And by the way, which part of the metro area
do you live in Denver?
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Well, I just moved to Aurora. But I'm so used
to telling people outside of the state where I live Denver.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
It's just easier, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
But I'm at the end of Aora near Parker.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I was okay, if you could just cross the border
into Douglas County, you would be so much safer. But nonetheless,
the stories that you talked about, like when you got
here that you felt like, I don't they caught your attention,
but you don't think the victims are getting the kind
of focus that they deserve. What were the big cases
that stuck out to you.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
The two biggest ones probably that I have covered. The
trial both actually happened this year. The crimes happened earlier,
but I covered the murder of Christille Krug, a wonderful
mother from Broomfield, whose husband pretended to be her ex boyfriend,
pretended to stalk her as the ex boyfriend, framed the
ex boyfriend and murdered her. And you know, I felt
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that her story and who she was and who she
was as a mother, she just needed to have her
story told and she needed to have that trial covered.
That was in April, and then I did cover the
now pretty infamous case. I actually have a feature on
the website right now about the murder of Angela Craig,
the Aurora mother of six who was fatally poisoned by
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her dentist husband, James Craigs, who's now serving life. And
I wanted to do a big rap of that trial
to kind of show the deviousness and just the evil
of his crimes, as well as the fact that she
was just a wonderful woman. This never should have happened too,
So I really do like to give a good narrative
(21:27):
overview of these cases rather than just quick news that,
you know, let people do a big, meaty read to
see who these women were. Let their names not be forgotten.
I hate when just the perpetrators get attention. So those
were the two most recent big ones that really have
struck with me and always will.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I think you're right. By the way, there's a movement
that kind of grew out of the Aurora Theater case
that the Teeves, the parents of Alex Tves had Tom
and Karen had put out there called no Notoriety, which
was an effort to sort of dmmphasize the offender and say, look,
we acknowledge you have to report on who it is
to begin with, but let's after that, let's not do
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the picture and the name thing all the time. Let's
focus on the victim. So I'm glad you're doing that.
The one about the Craig case, Angela, she seems now.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
You spoke at crime, come I did.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
It just seemed like she was such a forgiving woman
to this guy that continued to betray her over and
over and over again, and she still trusted him, maybe
almost to the end, I don't know, but she just
seemed like all of that effort to try to keep
(22:39):
this family together and to probably keep it intact for
the kids and for her faith and all that that,
all of that stuff ultimately is what made her vulnerable
to this monster.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
And to show the depths of how monstrous he was,
I think is our job. And I want people not
just you know, a lot of amateurs lose, a lot
of people who read the news, people get caught up
in the police's details. But when you sit through a
trial and see the depths of manipulation and dishonesty and lives,
you really try to get that across with how we
(23:13):
hold some of these criminals are in our reporting. I
hope I can share that with people, because there is
evil out there and there are people who take advantage,
and he had everybody fooled that does this, you know,
sitting in these trials and you know this, of course,
But I'm looking at the relatives who had Christmas dinners
and thanksgivings not so long ago with this guy sitting
(23:35):
at the defense table, and you just think, you never
think anyone is capable of this, but they are. And
I mean, I don't want to get into a whole
thing about humanity, but I feel like, it's our job
to kind of show people to be aware, to remember
the victims, and just to tell their story as well.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
And I think you do that. Can I ask you,
what is this the first crime con you've ever been to,
and what were your takeaways?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
It was?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
I really did not know what to expect, much like yourself.
I'm sure I had been aware of it for a while,
but it was certainly a scene. It was very interesting,
and it was fascinating to see the interplay of detective
law enforcement das, bounty hunters, amateur sloops who are just
(24:21):
you know, moms in the suburbs, kind of all gathering
in one space. And I did actually like how a
lot more of it than I perhaps expected was focused
on the victims. You know, all of these people, even
if they were just podcast fans or podcasters themselves. Everybody
was walking by daily a big board with missing persons posters,
(24:44):
you know, where people's names are remembered, and it gave
a chance for relatives and victims or even just people
who care about some lesser known cases to try and
make connectans, to try and have those victims' voices heard,
and a lot of the opportunities of very very brave
(25:04):
victim relatives to get up there, their stories, their advocacy,
their efforts to change legislation, and have their loved ones remembered.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
It was.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
It was very interesting and I think I think all
of the well I hope all of the attendees took
that away from it and didn't just look at it
as entertainment. A lot of these true crime podcasts realized
there are true victims and real people on the other
side and vast ripple effects from these crimes.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Well, I think it was very victim focused. I agree.
I didn't know what to expect.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Well, it was more so than I expected too.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, And the other thing that I was blown away
by was one the level of commitment and the depth
of knowledge of the attendees. Like there were people that
would come up to me and ask me about stuff
about the Aurora Theater case that I didn't even remember
until they brought it up, and like, these are people
that knew this stuff. And then the other thing is
the podcasting world. I had not really considered how big
(26:02):
and deep that was the fandom for that thing, and
some folks I didn't even know. This dude had a
podcast guy named Scott Reisch. He's a defense attorney in
the area. I've been working with and against Scott for
thirty years. Great guy. I see him there. I'm like, well,
what are you doing. He's like, oh, we have this
booth in this podcast. I go how many people? He goes, well,
between YouTube and whatever, the other thing is got about
eight hundred thousand. I'm like, what what are you talking about? Like,
(26:26):
He's like, oh yeah. People keep coming up to me
and they're like, oh, I watch you with the I'm like,
I just take for granted that the stuff that we
do on a daily basis has a limited reach, but
all of these podcasters amplify that reach based on the
case and the work and stuff one hundredfold. And then
people like you Sheila to do that. And it's incredible
(26:47):
how much people are taken with wanting to stay on
top of the crime stuff.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I know, and you know, I spoke to many attendees.
This was their third or fourth crime con and they've
traveled over the country. They spend thousands to go through it,
and many of them said that what's at the forefront
as they for example, wore t shirts with the Idaho
for on them, you know, that they were doing this
(27:13):
to continue honoring the victims and keep their memory alive,
just like I'm trying to do. And there was huge
compassion and empathy from a lot of these people, and
you could tell they would do whatever they could to
help the families they I saw. I saw attendees stop
victim relatives they recognized just passing in the hallway and say,
Oh my God, my heart goes out to you. You're
(27:34):
always in my thoughts. You know, there are a lot
of a lot of care.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Wow, Sheila Flynn, How can people get out to you
with those those story ideas that they have them? Is
there the best way to do it?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
They could email me? Should I give my email if
it's so. It's Sheila s h E. I l A
dot Flynn f as in Frank l y and is
in Nancy, and is in Nancy at dailymail dot com.
That's Flat Duslin at dailymail dot com. And I would
love to tell anybody's stories. Please reach out to.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Me and please go to the dailymail dot com. That
place is awesome, Sheila. I hope this isn't the last
time we get a chance to chat about the great
work that you're doing.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Oh, thank you, and thank you for your work George
and putting criminals away and looking out for victims yourself.
And I'm sure this is not our last compensation at all.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Awesome. Sheila Flynn from the Daily Mail, Thank you so much. Listen, hey,
when we come back, I want to get to your texts,
and that presupposes I can make the computer work, and
right now that's a big giant purple question mark. But
if I can, it's five seven seven three nine five
seven seven three nine text that number. Put Dan in
the first part, George is better than Steve in the
second part, and then your text or you can give
(28:42):
us a call, of course at three oh three seven
one three eighty two fifty five three or three seven
one three eight two five five and the five o'clock hour,
Susie Ward, and we're going to talk about that crazy
Phillies baseball lady, and get your take on it. I
have my own thoughts. George Brockler filling in for Dan Kaplis.
(29:02):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast old
to me and yet man, I love that music. I'm
gonna listen to that going home. Thank you for the
bumper music on that Hey, my thanks to Sheila Flynn,
also from the Daily Mail. You got to check out
what she does and email her your story ideas at
Sheila dot Flynn at dailymail dot com, but also just
go check out dailymail dot com. I'm telling you, man
(29:23):
it I didn't think I would like it, and then
you start to get into it and you're like, dang,
this thing is more comprehensive and it's just better. I
don't know how to describe it. It's my one stop
shop for most of the new stuff that we get
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