August 28, 2025 • 34 mins
In the second hour of today's show, George Brauchler continues to fill in for Dan Caplis and discusses current events with his son, Geoff.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast edition
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's our two of two for George Brocker, filling in
for Dan Caplis, who is either in court, preparing to
beat the tar out of an insurance company, or something
along those lines. I'll be filling in for the rest
of the day, and just a heads up here. On
nine to nine, that's September the ninth, I'll be joined
in studio or I'll be joining in studio one of
(00:35):
the two, a guy.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Named Sheriff Steve Reims.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I've been told he will be fresh out of rehab
and ready to get back on the radio. Until that time,
I'm joined by my happy birthday eighteen year old son.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
His name is Jeff. Jeff.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Welcome, Yeah, thank you, and it's been great having you
in so far.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
We're going to see if you can get you through
the other hour here.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
We've been talking a lot about the school shooting stuff
that took place, Yester, but a perspective you just don't get,
which is Jeff's the other perspective, and we're going to
continue to do that. The other perspective that I want
to get is yours. Here's how you do it. Pick
up the phone dial three zero three seven to one
three eight two five five three zero three seven one
three eight two fivey five, or hit us on the
text line five seven seven three nine. All you have
(01:18):
to do is put Dan in there, followed by George
is awesome, and then whatever text message that you want
to put in there. And there's a good chance I'll
read the first two parts on air.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Speaking of phone calls, we're going to go right to
ours right now. Bill from beautiful Parker in very safe
Douglas County. You're on the Dan Kappa Show. Bill, what
do you think?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Hi, George, ND talk to you.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
I don't know who that woman was you had on
just before she said that there's never been an instance
of a of a shooting with there was an on presence,
and that's just not true.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
No, no, no, that's not how what Laura said that
she was talking about. From her organization, with the trained
staff that they've had, there's been no instances of that
taking place. So certainly there's shootings that have been taken
place where someone was armed around there, but that wasn't
her point.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Oh okay, then I must have missed on the sort
of how many how many schools has she been able to,
you know, reach out to.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
That's a fair question.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I don't know the number of schools, but she did
tell us it was over four hundred staff members, forty
percent of which are teachers and the other sixty percent
are regular staff members. But and I'll be honest, if
I had had the chance to ask her, I'm sure
she would have said the majority of those are likely
to be in more rural jurisdictions where law enforcement is
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a ways away.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Great.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
So, I mean that's all fine and good, but if
you think about that's a drop in the bucket nationwide.
So the chances that there would be a shooting at
one of those schools is like my chancewer, your chance
of getting hit by a media, right, it's just not
gonna happen because just by just by your numbers, and
you know, let's write, well, Bill, what would you do that?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
What's your answer?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And again, Laura may have the answer for this or
one of them, but you know, it's just one company
or one nonprofit that has started up and tried to
do it here in Colorado. I mean it could spread elsewhere.
But what would your answer be, how do you end
this thing?
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Well, well, can't end it, but I would just point
to the root cause, which is, you know, you wouldn't
send your kid to a school that's infested with snakes,
but they have a you know, a snake charmer there right,
you say, no, I'd rather have my kid go.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
To school it doesn't have snakes.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
And that's the problem we have is that these guns
are so readily available because the Supreme Court has completely
wided out the whole part of the Second Amendment that
talks about it applying to a well regulated militia. That
now every Tom, Dick and Harry who's got room on
his credit card, this person purchases guns legally, as did
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the King Super Shooter. Okay, when when they stepped up
to the you know, to.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
The point of the crime, they were good.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Guys with a gun.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
I mean, they hadn't committed any crimes.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
They were illegally armed. I don't know if they were
good guys.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
But they were guys that lawfully own gun. The same
is true, by the.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Way, for the Aurora theater shooter lawfully obtained all of
his firearms as well. All right, But get to the
point of where you think, like, if we could change this,
we wouldn't have these school shootings anymore, all right.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
If we could make the Second Amendment apply to a
well regulated mission, the National Guard, the police, the state patrol,
people who are.
Speaker 8 (04:21):
Trained, what does that do for you and me?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
But what does that do for you and me?
Speaker 9 (04:24):
Bill?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Like I own a couple of handguns? Should I be
allowed to own handguns?
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Well, well, it's a fact, George, if you look at
the that's just money's waters because if the vast majority
of these shootings are done with recently purchased weapons.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
So if you make it very difficult.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
To purchase a weapon, you'll go a long way to
stopping this stuff. Now, that guy in Sandy Hook, he
murdered his grandmother and stole her gun. But you know
there's other ways of the combine shooters. Again, they were
able to exploit very loose and lax guns for everyone
hand loss.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
So if you really mean, well.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Hold on, hold on, d they got a tech DC
nine through the Felonious Criminal Conduct of two other adults
named Mark Manison Phil.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Drand so with's almost no effort whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, someone's willing to break the law to acquire fire bill.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
At the end of the day, are you saying we
just shouldn't have guns or we should just make there
be some waiting period.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Is the waiting period.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Going to be the answer?
Speaker 7 (05:21):
No, I'm saying guns.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
You know, high power anti personnel guns should be limited
to a well regulated milius.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
What guns aren't type personnel.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Both action hunting rifle.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Not that you couldn't kill someone with it, I mean
you could, but you're not gonna I just said, not
that you couldn't kill someone with it.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Okay, yeah, you sure could.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
But with a bolt action rifle, you're not going to
go in there.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
That guy lands has shot one hundred and fifty four
rounds and I think three or four minutes. Okay, at
least with a bolt action rifle with maybe a three
three shot.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
And you hold her.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
He wouldn't have got very far.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
He had killed a couple of people before that even
what was going on, and.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
That's often life.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So you would outlass semi automatic firearms.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Well, you'd have to remember a weld reag led mushia.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
You know the army, you know the.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
US military, the safe patrol, stuff like that, just like
the Second amund and sense no for you say.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I don't, well, it didn't used to say that. It's
always been the same language.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And it's the question as to what does that second
portion of the Second Amendment mean in terms of limiting
But we've had the Supreme Court say for some time
now it's a matter of a personal right.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Bill.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I love that you got us kicked off. Thanks for
the phone call Bill from Parker's.
Speaker 10 (06:34):
When the line is open, if I may, because I
know a lot of callers are calling in on this.
It's just from AI. So you take it for what
it is Google. It's not a right wing and source. Sure,
So he keeps focusing on this predicate right. The text
of the Second Amendment is as follows, quote a well
regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms
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shall not be infringe. I get it focused on that
second part. This says this amendment was ratified and seventeen
ninety one is part of the Bill of Rights and
protects the individual's right to possess weapons, particularly in the
context of self defense.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I agree, man three or three sevene three eighty two
fifty five bills.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Line is open. Let's go to Joe from Arvada. Joe,
you're on with George and Jeff for Dan. How are you.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Going, guys?
Speaker 7 (07:25):
Yeah, so I got just two or three quick points.
Speaker 11 (07:28):
Well, first I want to point out that last guy
that called No. Zero about guns. You know, he didn't
say magazine, they're caught, are guard or a pree bullet holder.
I mean, I didn't know nothing about a fire sets
number one when I graduated from high school in nineteen
seventy nine, uh in Michigan, and.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
There were several of us that had pickup trucks with
rifle racks, and sometimes we carry our twenty twos in
the back. You know, after school we'd go to we're
kind of on the edge of the country field. We're
gonta pants. Nobody ever shot anybody that's one number two.
You look at so many of these shooters, there's one
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or two things they have when they're young. Of course,
this is a trans guy, so it's obviously you know,
has a number of issues. I think that goes about
saying but secondly, so many other school shootings are a crime,
you know, the perp, and this is especially true in
Chicago places like that. They got a freaking rap sheet
a mile long, you know what? The heck, yeah, I
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have not ince, I've.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Not encountered that with the school shooters we've had here, Joe,
and I take your point, by the way, I disagree
with Bill's interpretation of the Second Amendment. But the guys
that we've had out here that have been the school shooters,
and the two girls, the two sixteen year olds that
would have been mass shooters at Mountain Bissos, they didn't
have long rap sheets. Now, two of them, the transgender
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from Stem the sixteen year old had been on diversion
for trying to give zan ex for gave zan next
to a friend. And then the two Cleebold and Harris
from Columbine were on diversion on a deferred judgment basically
for trespassing a vehicle. But other than that, ain't none
of these folks from these shootings Stem, rap a Ho
High School, Mountain Vista, Columby, none of them had developed.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
Me ask you this, yeah, let me ask you this.
Speaker 11 (09:20):
How many of those young undeveloped brains, males don't fully
develop their brain.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Killer five.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
I'm sixty four. I still have no but but I
did spend three years in blank class. But how many
of those guys are on some sort of medication?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
You know?
Speaker 7 (09:43):
I think a lot of them. I know one of
the Harrison Cleebold was, if not both of them.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, it's this is an interesting question, Joe. I'm happy
to and talk about the cases that I know. But
let's do that, and Joe, great phone call. Thanks for
calling in, my man. Joe's line is open at three
O three seven three eighty two fifty five. When we
come back, Jeff, I want to get your take on
this too, because you know, you and I are not
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the same in our thoughts on the guns and all
that other stuff. I'd love to hear your take on this,
especially as a student, and then we can talk about
the things I know about the other shooters from the
mass shootings that I've had. Stick around through the break.
You can text us at five seven seven three nine.
Put Dan in the first part, and then of course
the phone lines are lighting up at three ZHO three
seven one.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Three eighty two fifty five.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It's Jeff and George on the Dan Kapla's Show Boom.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
That bumper music was the Sounds of Silence Bye.
Speaker 8 (10:50):
Not exactly, but yeah, no, drop the ball on that one.
We got a lot of moving.
Speaker 10 (10:53):
Parts back here. A lot of callers come on a lot.
It's not only a lot of callers.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I just refreshed the little text thing. Holy smokes, I
thought we had no texts. It's a kajillion text George
Brockler fill in for Dan Capos while he goes and
does justice for his clients in the studio with me.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Now, Jeff Brockler, you can't see the text, can you?
Speaker 12 (11:10):
I can't, But I do know you're not that savvy
with the tech, So maybe that's right. Here.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
There are people, child man, some good ones here. We'll
read them throughout.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
But I promised you that I wanted to come back
and get your thoughts on it.
Speaker 9 (11:24):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I have taken you and your brother and sister to
a gun range before.
Speaker 9 (11:30):
You've ben't taken me.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Oh taken your cooler brother, and I've taken the kids
I like to the gun range.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Actually, you know what I do owe you and gram
a trip out to the gun range, you probably do. Yeah,
but you've also done scouting, man, so you're not unfamiliar
with the functioning of firearms and whatnot. What are your
thoughts on this? I mean, look, when you hear about
these things happening again, you've gone through the drills. What
does eighteen year old Jeff's brain think about about how
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to solve this problem?
Speaker 9 (11:58):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 12 (12:00):
I'm still, like, I guess, fresh into the new like
world of politics. You know, I turned eighteen today, so
I can finally vote and do things. But I don't
know this kind of whole uh, you know, mass shooting
thing has really been like a present thing in my
whole life. I mean, I was in fourth grade when
STEM happened, and we like had to go into a
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lockdown at our school, and it was, you know, it
was nasty.
Speaker 9 (12:27):
But I don't know.
Speaker 12 (12:28):
I think it's just like a kind of complicated relationship
between a lot of the gun laws that we do
have that are like more lax in places like I
turn eighteen today. If I lived in a different state
other than Colorado, I could walk into a gun store
and purchase a firearm right now.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
Yeah, and I.
Speaker 12 (12:45):
Think that's like I wouldn't say that's awesome. I mean
mostly because you know, even though I think I'm perfectly saying,
I'm not sure you know, everyone else that's my age
is either.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
But let me ask you, what would you do with
the gun? If you had one today? What would you
do with it?
Speaker 9 (13:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 12 (13:01):
I mean I don't have a good use for a gun.
I don't go hunting. I don't, like you know, live
on my own, so I don't like you know, need
personal protection or like you know, protection of my property.
I don't need something like that. So I don't think
I would personally buy a gun.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
But but I think the bigger thing here, Jeff, is,
at no point do you think to yourself, I might
need this to go get revenge on those who I
blame for my you know, my woes or my depression.
Like it just doesn't. That takes a special kind of person.
And what that tells.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Me is it's less the gun than the individual.
Speaker 9 (13:31):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 12 (13:32):
I mean it's kind of like, you know, there are
incidents like this in like the international stage, but I mean,
like you know, you don't hear a lot about you know,
like the three hundredth match shot like mass shooting in
Sweden or something, because they don't have a lot of those,
and I mean it's mostly because they have much stricter
gun laws, and that's just something we can't do in
America because you know, the Second Amendment is a.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Thing we have, uh, and there are four hundred million
guns in America.
Speaker 12 (13:58):
There's no prevalent there's no chance that we're going to
be able to like, you know, regulate it cut down
on the amount of guns that we can have for
like take the guns away from people, which I mean
that's outlandish to begin with, but I think, you know,
especially for people like me who you know, a lot
of people kind of around my age are normally the
people who do a lot of these you know, shootings,
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especially in schools and things like that, to settle these
scores and to get revenge on people.
Speaker 9 (14:25):
And I think having more.
Speaker 12 (14:26):
Of I guess, like a more involved background process on
you know people, or like their mental health state and
things like that could be more benefit.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Believe me, I want to before we end the show,
I do want to ask you about the state of
the mental health of kids in your school and your age.
And then I'm going to ask you to identify by
name the person you think most like, No, I'm not,
like what, Let's just go to Kevin from Boulder. Kevin,
you're on the Dankpla Show with George and Jeff. What
do you think, sir?
Speaker 13 (14:55):
You know, the Founders wrote to a lot more documents
than just a constitution, federalist papers Miniro, doctrine, Magna carta.
So if you want to find out what their language
really means in the Constitution, you have to read more
documents written by them than just the Constitution.
Speaker 9 (15:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (15:15):
I'm in a ap US government right now in school,
and a core part of that curriculum is going through
and understanding, you know, like all of the kind of
foundational documents of our democracy and our government system.
Speaker 13 (15:29):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (15:30):
And I mean I'm figuring that out too.
Speaker 12 (15:31):
Like we're going through and we're reading a lot of
the federalist papers, like you know FED ten, that's the
one that we're focusing on. Yeah, the one that's like
against factions. Yeah, which we're definitely listening to in our
current political plate. But yeah, I think it's you know, uh,
you definitely need to I guess kind of get more
of a grasp on what these people are talking about,
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like writing about in order to do that.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Hey, Hey, Kevin, what are your.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Thoughts on it?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Kevin? E there that's a dial tone.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
It sounds like, yeah, that's too bad, Kevin love the question.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I wanted to hear your thoughts on this. Let's go
to Jerry from Denver. Jerry, you're on the.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Dan Capell Show with Jeff and George. What do you think.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Garry or Gary?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well, it's spelled on my thing here is j A
r y. You ain't got no alibi.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
She masses that up every time.
Speaker 13 (16:24):
The A r y.
Speaker 9 (16:27):
Kelly.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
The thing that the thing that I see and I
keep yearning, And you've brought it up just a second ago.
And that was why I called in. When he says
everybody keeps focusing on the guns, I don't care about
the guns. A gun can't do anything without the ultimate
weapon operating it. And that's a human. You've been in
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the military, and so have I.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Ye, I'm still in.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
We weren't just people, we were weapons.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Well that it's true.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It's true what you say about, you know, having to
put the trigger, the finger on the trigger.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I get that.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
But so when you look at this Gary, what do
you what do you think, like, what is your solution
or at least partial solution towards this epidemic of the
school shootings.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Well, one of the biggest things, let's get back the
mental mental health care grade again. Well, look at how
many of these and you were talking to a caller
a little bit ago. If you go back, go back
the last a dozen of these type of shootings, these
type of shootings that have occurred, almost every one of
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them mental health issues. Almost every one, if not all of.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Them there will listen.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
And it's all of them have warning signs.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Gary, you have brought up a fantastic point that we're
going to explore when we come back. I love the
phone call, and Gary's right. I can go through the
cases that we've had here that I've covered. There is
mental health somewhere and all of those things. Speaking of
mental health, I'm joined in the studio by my eighteen
year old son Jeff, who's yeah, thank you, Hey listen
five seven seven three nine. As the text put Dan
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in there, give us a called three h three someone.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Three eighty two fifty five. George Brockler filling in for
Dan on the Dan caplis show.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
You're listening to the Dankpliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Old Today in the studio for Dan Caplis, who's off
fighting the good fight on behalf of his clients. We've
had great calls, phone lines jammed at the moment. I
promise we're going to get to all of you, including
Kevin from Boulder and everybody else that's on hold. Some
texts we've had come in. Jeff's been reading them, chuckling
to himself, shaking his head at others. Here's a nice one.
Happy birthday, Jeff. George, if I remember correctly, your daughter
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Amanda was out in the swamp. Has she or is
she in recovery yet? The answer is clearly no, she's yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
No.
Speaker 12 (18:52):
I mean, you know, DC's a nice place if you're
like my sister.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
It's a great way to put that, Dan or George.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
What a lot of people failed to ever consider is
how many times guns are used by law abiding citizens
to defend.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Their own lives.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
If we were to just outlaw guns, we would have
hundreds of thousands of more victims of violent crime. There's
certainly are stories of people who've been able to defend
themselves and others with firearms. I will say from my
own standpoint for a long time, and I'm slowly coming
out of this now that after July twentieth, twenty twelve,
which is a rural theater, I never went to the
movies with you kids without carrying.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
And you guys know that.
Speaker 9 (19:28):
I even though it, you know, against theater policy, it
will screw them.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah, I'm not going to aft someone.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
I'm a stickler for the rules you are.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Of course, I had a badge at the time too
for a lot of that, which means I can carry
under my own authority. But I was never going to
put myself or you guys in a position where all
we had in response to someone that wanted to kill
us was hope. I just was never going to do that.
It was always going to be something else. Here's another one.
I love it when people follow directions by the way
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it says Dan George is awesome. If it's not guns,
it would be knives and asked dabbings. The answer is morality.
Americans since the fifties have lost their moral compass. Also,
two working parents is a problem too, as the kids
and their issues are often overlooked or in a single
parent homes completely ignored. The other thing, men, that we
have heard is the mental health piece. And I think
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that that's important because as I look back on Columbine,
there was some mental illness, although largely undiagnosed. There wasn't
a lot of treatment or anything. I look at Aurora Theater,
obvious mental illness. Guy was seeing a psychiatrist at the
University of Colorado Health Sciences Center.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
A STEM.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
At least one of them, the sixteen year old transgender
shooter killer, had also had mental health treatment. Both of
the sixteen year olds from Mountain Vista mental health issues
for sure. Men, What are you seeing in schools? Like
what's making you what's making your classmates so cuckoo? For
coco puffs?
Speaker 9 (20:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 12 (20:55):
I think it's kind of just I mean, you know,
in my experience are like I guess, increased like connection
with each other, especially through social media and a lot
of you know, more like online things, is really driving
a lot of people into more you know, like mental
health problems. Like I mean, there's a lot of things
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like you know, eating disorders on the rise because of
BONDI dysmorphia and things like that that come from social media.
So it doesn't seem like that much of a stretch
to assume that other things, you know, other like mental
health problems that could come that would make people do
things like that, like school shootings, things like that.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
You think the social media stuff basis, how about the
COVID man you got affected? About all your siblings got
affected by COVID?
Speaker 12 (21:41):
Yeah, I feel like, I mean everyone got affected by COVID.
It was kind of just like it hit people differently
depending on you know, the like connections that they had
or the networks.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
That they had.
Speaker 12 (21:51):
I mean there's a lot of people that suffered like
more like COVID depression because you know, they couldn't go
outside or hang out with their friends and they were
just like stuck in side all day and a lot
of the time. Though, you know, like that would hit
people hard because they just don't.
Speaker 9 (22:05):
Have anyone to fall back on like that.
Speaker 12 (22:08):
And I think, you know, in a post COVID world
like that, that kind of thing has kind of stuck
with a lot of people, especially the people that were
affected by that. Maybe they want to go find more
people to you know, have a social like kind of
networker backing to them, or maybe they're just going to
continue to be isolationist and kind of like, you know,
sit in that kind of like part of depression.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Do you see anybody at school that either you or you.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And your friends say red flag like there is there's
a red flag there? That kid scares me?
Speaker 9 (22:42):
No, I mean and can so.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I mean, they're all pretty good kids. I'm just saying, yeah.
Speaker 12 (22:46):
I mean, there's just like, you know, you never know
what's going on with people like mentally, especially because you
know it's all inside and you know, they could be like,
you know, the the nicest person ever, and then they
could go and they could pull something like that and
hurt a lot of people. And I mean that's why
I think a lot of these things happen, and you know,
the response to them is you know, like kind of
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crazy because a lot of people don't see it happening
to them, or you know a lot of people don't
see people in their communities doing something like that.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Buddy.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
It it does scare me because you know, we prosecute
juveniles all the time, although it becomes harder and harder
to hold them accountable even for some of the worst
things that they've done. But the mental illness piece is real.
How much would you attribute to it accessible, the accessibility
of drugs, because the marijuana that kids used to smoke
(23:37):
back when I was in high school was like low
potency street swag. Now the stuff that they can get
their hands on knock your socks off.
Speaker 12 (23:44):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know about that. I'm personally
gonna like stay near, like you know, way far away
from drugs because I just don't want to deal with that.
But I mean it's kind of like, you know, drugs
are in kind of the same boat as alcohol and
other things. You know, like there's an age limit and
then you can get it, and I think it's kind
of just getting to that point where, you know, like
back in your time, I assume a lot of people,
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like you know, teenagers would ask adults to get alcohol
for them and that would happen. I think, you know,
it's kind of just like it could just be switching
to drugs.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Can you buy me gummies?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (24:17):
I don't know, dude, that could definitely be hurting a
lot of.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
You're eighteen, now, what's going to be your first drink
in three years?
Speaker 9 (24:24):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Good answer about question, but what about three point two beer? Jeff,
I can't drink Okay, I love the answers. We're going
to go to Chris from Fremont County. Chris, you're on
the Dan Capla show with George and Jeff.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
What do you think?
Speaker 9 (24:38):
Man?
Speaker 13 (24:41):
Tobby?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Hey, what are you doing? Living the dream? How are
you doing?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Good?
Speaker 13 (24:46):
Say?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
You know, this just sounds like a complete broken record
every single time this happened. And I would just like
to point out couple of things. First, the fortification of
any facility as far as safety from weapons goes. And
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you won't walk into any courthouse, you won't walk into
any city, county building or or any place like that
where there could be somebody disgruntled because they've you know,
paid too many taxes there a judge has been unfair.
That stuff happens all the time, but you never care
(25:34):
of shootings there because they're fortified. When are we going
to start fortifying the facilities that are children in? It's just, uh, it's.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Wrong, Chris. It's a fair it's a fair question.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And thank you for the call and to let Jeff
answer that and then we're going to get to Brandon,
Kevin and others right there.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
But thank you for that call. Jeff. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 12 (25:58):
Yeah, so, I mean, I guess it's kind of a
slippery slope. You know, Like this year, Douglas County is
implementing a new policy at their stadiums and events where
they're going to be using portable metal detectors, and like,
you know, that's a pretty easy thing to like go with.
But imagine you know, like going to school and having
to wear a clear backpack or something like that. That's
(26:19):
you know, like it limits your ability to carry a
lot of things or like have things in your bag.
Like it could be better for safety of people, but
I don't think it would really change anything.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
You do something, you don't think by making it a
little harder.
Speaker 12 (26:33):
I mean, you know, there's a lot of things that
would probably like drive a lot of people away if
it was harder to do. But I mean, in these
specific circumstances and these like you know, mass acts of violence,
I don't think, you know, just simple metal detectors would
do anything.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I've heard things too from some security experts. That creates
a choke point and if you were looking to target kids,
you would do it where they were bottlenecked trying to
get through metal detectors and have their stuff scaled, and
so I don't know if there's a perfect answer. I'll
say this one thing at Sheriff Tony Spurlock did he
was great sheriff before Darren Weekly, and that was to
have deputies and their Mark Carrs park in front of
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schools when they were writing reports.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
They still do that.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I'm telling you that is a visible deterrent. These mass
shooters are freaking cowards, every single one of them. They
have no interest in getting caught, They have no interest
in being being stopped, being confronted. They are weak, and
I think that that helps. Listen, we're gonna cut away
for break. When we come back, we're gonna get to Brennan.
If it's who I think it is, man, this is
going to be a fantastic phone call. But until that time,
(27:33):
you can text us at five seven seven three nine,
put Dan George is awesome and the thing, and then
we'll get to the text part of it, and then
of course you can call us a.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Three O three seven one three eighty two fifty five.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Until that time, it's Jeff and George on the Dan
Kaplas Show.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Here filling in for Dan caplas those. We're going to
go right back to the phones.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Pretty sure our next caller here, Brendan from Fort Collins,
is exactly the guy I think it is. Is this
Brendan the hero? I know you would never say that,
but what I call you a hero?
Speaker 4 (28:13):
I know you're going to say that.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
Coll Thank you for having me on the air.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Hey, this is Brendan Biley.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Brendan was one of the heroes in classroom one oh
seven during the Stem shooting back on May the seventh,
twenty nineteen. I could spend twenty minutes just talking about
all the great stuff that you did, but the bottom
line is you helped to disarm the.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Eighteen year old and you.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Were our first witness in the trial, my first witness
in the trial. You rocked it, and we sent that
guy to prison for the rest of his adult life.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Thanks for calling in, man.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Yeah, thanks for having me. What a crazy past day,
especially what happened at the school.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
You know, listen, I kind of Brendan.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I wish I had reached out to you ahead of
time to have this conversation, but I'm too stupid to
know that you're still hanging out there and I have
your number in my phone because I'm an idiot.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
We got to do this some other time because I
only have a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
But if you have a takeaway from this that you
can give us in a couple of minutes, what would
it be?
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Yeah, this topic is both you and Jeff. No is
unbelievably complex. There are so many variables. I want to
let you know in the listeners knowing listen, my world
is firearms. I work at a gun shop. I'm a
burgeoning firearms instructor, and I shoot competitively whenever I can.
With that being said, I'm not gonna sit here and
(29:31):
just quote the Constitution here too, ex Number one. That's
not convincing and it's not going to change anything. I
listen to what Jeff had to say when we talk
about hard being schools, and I could hear the apprehension
in his voice. We talk about, like you said, making
a checkpoint, putting the metal detectors, putting in those clear backpacks,
and I could hear it through his voice, and I
know I would feel the same way if I was
(29:51):
still in high school. That's really uncomfortable, and it starts
to change the attitude when we go to school well
as a gun owner, as someone who shoots competitively recreational
even I carry every single time I step out of
the house. When I hear people say, well, this guy
used an air fifteen, we need to drop all of them,
I can't help but feel the same way. We look
(30:11):
back to the nineteen teams. We look back to the
nineteen twenties, when technology for firearms basically reached the point
it is today. People could take a gun and there
were no background checks, there were no age requirements, there
was no IDs. Why didn't we see mass shootings happen
in the nineteen twenties, the thirties, the forties, the fifties,
when guns were unbelievably easier to get. Where's compared to now? Right,
(30:36):
Columbine wasn't done with an air fifteen. Timothy McVeigh blew
up a federal building and killed nearly two hundred people
with a van in hardware supplies. I don't know if
there is one simple thing we can.
Speaker 9 (30:48):
Do to fix this issue.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
I think anybody who does you should probably be a
little dubious what they're selling you. But I'm sure Jeff
can probably think of examples. It is there are kids
in school that you might not look like us school shooter.
It might not think that at all, But there are
kids that are persistent with issues that school administrators and
people in the community turn a blind eye to as
(31:11):
if there is non issue. This is the status called
there's always the weirdo, right, there's always someone with the
issues until something like this happens.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Brendan, I can't, man, I just wish I had another
thirty or forty five minutes to talk with you about this,
because you're insights, your insights are huge. I'm going to
be back on nine to eight. Man, we should try
to probably try to figure out how to do this.
I would say this in our particular case, you're in
my case, the one you endured. You know, these were
two folks that broke into a gun safe and with
(31:42):
a crowbar and an axe and took their weapons. This
wasn't like, you know, unsecured firearms. The guy had them
all separated by and all this other stuff. It's just
where there's evil, there will be a way.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
Absolutely Georgian And just a quick comment on that. I
look back on that. I look at a lot of
these other cases. Right, if the two shooters had gotten
to that classroom with a cactical, deliberate plan. Even with
Josh Kendrick, myself Jackson there, I don't think anything would
have happened, because if you go in there with that intention,
with that advantage, you can cause habit. We're lucky that
(32:19):
these people are often out of their minds and not
thinking logically. But again, I got to turn to the numbers.
Almost everybody, you are one hundred times more likely to
be shot and filled with a glockhand done than any
rifle that anybody can pick, including their fifteenth.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
And it's just it's hard.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, Brendan, buddy, thank you for calling hi to your
in house marine and let's get together soon.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
Man, Absolutely, thank you both so much.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
All Right, Buddy, talk to you man. That was That's
a great call. Love having that call. Jeff, we are
rapidly running out of time. Anything you want to say
here as we wrap up your time on the air
on your eighteenth birthday.
Speaker 12 (32:58):
I mean, I don't know, it's been a last being
on here, being able to talk about such poignant issues
with you. I would say, if you want to hear
more from me or see more from what I do,
make sure to check us out at Rockmedia online dot org.
Me and my other student journalist friends would be happy
to have all of your support and viewership, especially on
(33:19):
the coverage that we do.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Say it again, what's the website again?
Speaker 9 (33:23):
The website is Rockmedia online dot org.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Buddy, that's fantastic, And you have a new article up there,
pretty awesome one. I've only gotten through about half of it.
You're a prolific writer. This one on video games. This
one is on night rain from Elden Ring. For folks
that don't know what that is, ask your kids.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
They will.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I do have something else, though, that I want to
say as we wrap up here. One thank you for
giving us time after school. You could have been doing
anything on your eighteenth birthday. Thank you for spending with us.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
But also, happy birthday to you.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
No, happy birthday to you, Happy birthday. Yes, thank you, buddy.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I couldn't be prouder of you.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
Man.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Honestly, you and your siblings have made being a dad
the most important thing in my life.
Speaker 9 (34:13):
Man.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
I love you, I hope. Yeah, thank you for diming
me out for that.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I love you, son, and I can't wait to see
what to do with the rest of your magical life.
Kelly Ryan, thanks for everything, Dan, thanks for the opportunity
Jeff sign us off.
Speaker 9 (34:28):
This has been George and Jeff on The Dan Kaplis Show.
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast edition
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's our two of two for George Brocker, filling in
for Dan Caplis, who is either in court, preparing to
beat the tar out of an insurance company, or something
along those lines. I'll be filling in for the rest
of the day, and just a heads up here. On
nine to nine, that's September the ninth, I'll be joined
in studio or I'll be joining in studio one of
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the two, a guy.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Named Sheriff Steve Reims.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I've been told he will be fresh out of rehab
and ready to get back on the radio. Until that time,
I'm joined by my happy birthday eighteen year old son.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
His name is Jeff. Jeff.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Welcome, Yeah, thank you, and it's been great having you
in so far.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
We're going to see if you can get you through
the other hour here.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
We've been talking a lot about the school shooting stuff
that took place, Yester, but a perspective you just don't get,
which is Jeff's the other perspective, and we're going to
continue to do that. The other perspective that I want
to get is yours. Here's how you do it. Pick
up the phone dial three zero three seven to one
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(01:18):
to do is put Dan in there, followed by George
is awesome, and then whatever text message that you want
to put in there. And there's a good chance I'll
read the first two parts on air.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Speaking of phone calls, we're going to go right to
ours right now. Bill from beautiful Parker in very safe
Douglas County. You're on the Dan Kappa Show. Bill, what
do you think?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Hi, George, ND talk to you.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
I don't know who that woman was you had on
just before she said that there's never been an instance
of a of a shooting with there was an on presence,
and that's just not true.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
No, no, no, that's not how what Laura said that
she was talking about. From her organization, with the trained
staff that they've had, there's been no instances of that
taking place. So certainly there's shootings that have been taken
place where someone was armed around there, but that wasn't
her point.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Oh okay, then I must have missed on the sort
of how many how many schools has she been able to,
you know, reach out to.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
That's a fair question.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I don't know the number of schools, but she did
tell us it was over four hundred staff members, forty
percent of which are teachers and the other sixty percent
are regular staff members. But and I'll be honest, if
I had had the chance to ask her, I'm sure
she would have said the majority of those are likely
to be in more rural jurisdictions where law enforcement is
(02:35):
a ways away.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Great.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
So, I mean that's all fine and good, but if
you think about that's a drop in the bucket nationwide.
So the chances that there would be a shooting at
one of those schools is like my chancewer, your chance
of getting hit by a media, right, it's just not
gonna happen because just by just by your numbers, and
you know, let's write, well, Bill, what would you do that?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
What's your answer?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And again, Laura may have the answer for this or
one of them, but you know, it's just one company
or one nonprofit that has started up and tried to
do it here in Colorado. I mean it could spread elsewhere.
But what would your answer be, how do you end
this thing?
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Well, well, can't end it, but I would just point
to the root cause, which is, you know, you wouldn't
send your kid to a school that's infested with snakes,
but they have a you know, a snake charmer there right,
you say, no, I'd rather have my kid go.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
To school it doesn't have snakes.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
And that's the problem we have is that these guns
are so readily available because the Supreme Court has completely
wided out the whole part of the Second Amendment that
talks about it applying to a well regulated militia. That
now every Tom, Dick and Harry who's got room on
his credit card, this person purchases guns legally, as did
(03:45):
the King Super Shooter. Okay, when when they stepped up
to the you know, to.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
The point of the crime, they were good.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Guys with a gun.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
I mean, they hadn't committed any crimes.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
They were illegally armed. I don't know if they were
good guys.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
But they were guys that lawfully own gun. The same
is true, by the.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Way, for the Aurora theater shooter lawfully obtained all of
his firearms as well. All right, But get to the
point of where you think, like, if we could change this,
we wouldn't have these school shootings anymore, all right.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
If we could make the Second Amendment apply to a
well regulated mission, the National Guard, the police, the state patrol,
people who are.
Speaker 8 (04:21):
Trained, what does that do for you and me?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
But what does that do for you and me?
Speaker 9 (04:24):
Bill?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Like I own a couple of handguns? Should I be
allowed to own handguns?
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Well, well, it's a fact, George, if you look at
the that's just money's waters because if the vast majority
of these shootings are done with recently purchased weapons.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
So if you make it very difficult.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
To purchase a weapon, you'll go a long way to
stopping this stuff. Now, that guy in Sandy Hook, he
murdered his grandmother and stole her gun. But you know
there's other ways of the combine shooters. Again, they were
able to exploit very loose and lax guns for everyone
hand loss.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
So if you really mean, well.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Hold on, hold on, d they got a tech DC
nine through the Felonious Criminal Conduct of two other adults
named Mark Manison Phil.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Drand so with's almost no effort whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, someone's willing to break the law to acquire fire bill.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
At the end of the day, are you saying we
just shouldn't have guns or we should just make there
be some waiting period.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Is the waiting period.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Going to be the answer?
Speaker 7 (05:21):
No, I'm saying guns.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
You know, high power anti personnel guns should be limited
to a well regulated milius.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
What guns aren't type personnel.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Both action hunting rifle.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Not that you couldn't kill someone with it, I mean
you could, but you're not gonna I just said, not
that you couldn't kill someone with it.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Okay, yeah, you sure could.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
But with a bolt action rifle, you're not going to
go in there.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
That guy lands has shot one hundred and fifty four
rounds and I think three or four minutes. Okay, at
least with a bolt action rifle with maybe a three
three shot.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
And you hold her.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
He wouldn't have got very far.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
He had killed a couple of people before that even
what was going on, and.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
That's often life.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So you would outlass semi automatic firearms.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Well, you'd have to remember a weld reag led mushia.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
You know the army, you know the.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
US military, the safe patrol, stuff like that, just like
the Second amund and sense no for you say.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I don't, well, it didn't used to say that. It's
always been the same language.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And it's the question as to what does that second
portion of the Second Amendment mean in terms of limiting
But we've had the Supreme Court say for some time
now it's a matter of a personal right.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Bill.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I love that you got us kicked off. Thanks for
the phone call Bill from Parker's.
Speaker 10 (06:34):
When the line is open, if I may, because I
know a lot of callers are calling in on this.
It's just from AI. So you take it for what
it is Google. It's not a right wing and source. Sure,
So he keeps focusing on this predicate right. The text
of the Second Amendment is as follows, quote a well
regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms
(06:56):
shall not be infringe. I get it focused on that
second part. This says this amendment was ratified and seventeen
ninety one is part of the Bill of Rights and
protects the individual's right to possess weapons, particularly in the
context of self defense.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I agree, man three or three sevene three eighty two
fifty five bills.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Line is open. Let's go to Joe from Arvada. Joe,
you're on with George and Jeff for Dan. How are you.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Going, guys?
Speaker 7 (07:25):
Yeah, so I got just two or three quick points.
Speaker 11 (07:28):
Well, first I want to point out that last guy
that called No. Zero about guns. You know, he didn't
say magazine, they're caught, are guard or a pree bullet holder.
I mean, I didn't know nothing about a fire sets
number one when I graduated from high school in nineteen
seventy nine, uh in Michigan, and.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
There were several of us that had pickup trucks with
rifle racks, and sometimes we carry our twenty twos in
the back. You know, after school we'd go to we're
kind of on the edge of the country field. We're
gonta pants. Nobody ever shot anybody that's one number two.
You look at so many of these shooters, there's one
(08:09):
or two things they have when they're young. Of course,
this is a trans guy, so it's obviously you know,
has a number of issues. I think that goes about
saying but secondly, so many other school shootings are a crime,
you know, the perp, and this is especially true in
Chicago places like that. They got a freaking rap sheet
a mile long, you know what? The heck, yeah, I
(08:31):
have not ince, I've.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Not encountered that with the school shooters we've had here, Joe,
and I take your point, by the way, I disagree
with Bill's interpretation of the Second Amendment. But the guys
that we've had out here that have been the school shooters,
and the two girls, the two sixteen year olds that
would have been mass shooters at Mountain Bissos, they didn't
have long rap sheets. Now, two of them, the transgender
(08:54):
from Stem the sixteen year old had been on diversion
for trying to give zan ex for gave zan next
to a friend. And then the two Cleebold and Harris
from Columbine were on diversion on a deferred judgment basically
for trespassing a vehicle. But other than that, ain't none
of these folks from these shootings Stem, rap a Ho
High School, Mountain Vista, Columby, none of them had developed.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
Me ask you this, yeah, let me ask you this.
Speaker 11 (09:20):
How many of those young undeveloped brains, males don't fully
develop their brain.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Killer five.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
I'm sixty four. I still have no but but I
did spend three years in blank class. But how many
of those guys are on some sort of medication?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
You know?
Speaker 7 (09:43):
I think a lot of them. I know one of
the Harrison Cleebold was, if not both of them.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, it's this is an interesting question, Joe. I'm happy
to and talk about the cases that I know. But
let's do that, and Joe, great phone call. Thanks for
calling in, my man. Joe's line is open at three
O three seven three eighty two fifty five. When we
come back, Jeff, I want to get your take on
this too, because you know, you and I are not
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the same in our thoughts on the guns and all
that other stuff. I'd love to hear your take on this,
especially as a student, and then we can talk about
the things I know about the other shooters from the
mass shootings that I've had. Stick around through the break.
You can text us at five seven seven three nine.
Put Dan in the first part, and then of course
the phone lines are lighting up at three ZHO three
seven one.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Three eighty two fifty five.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It's Jeff and George on the Dan Kapla's Show Boom.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
That bumper music was the Sounds of Silence Bye.
Speaker 8 (10:50):
Not exactly, but yeah, no, drop the ball on that one.
We got a lot of moving.
Speaker 10 (10:53):
Parts back here. A lot of callers come on a lot.
It's not only a lot of callers.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I just refreshed the little text thing. Holy smokes, I
thought we had no texts. It's a kajillion text George
Brockler fill in for Dan Capos while he goes and
does justice for his clients in the studio with me.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Now, Jeff Brockler, you can't see the text, can you?
Speaker 12 (11:10):
I can't, But I do know you're not that savvy
with the tech, So maybe that's right. Here.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
There are people, child man, some good ones here. We'll
read them throughout.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
But I promised you that I wanted to come back
and get your thoughts on it.
Speaker 9 (11:24):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I have taken you and your brother and sister to
a gun range before.
Speaker 9 (11:30):
You've ben't taken me.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Oh taken your cooler brother, and I've taken the kids
I like to the gun range.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Actually, you know what I do owe you and gram
a trip out to the gun range, you probably do. Yeah,
but you've also done scouting, man, so you're not unfamiliar
with the functioning of firearms and whatnot. What are your
thoughts on this? I mean, look, when you hear about
these things happening again, you've gone through the drills. What
does eighteen year old Jeff's brain think about about how
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to solve this problem?
Speaker 9 (11:58):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 12 (12:00):
I'm still, like, I guess, fresh into the new like
world of politics. You know, I turned eighteen today, so
I can finally vote and do things. But I don't
know this kind of whole uh, you know, mass shooting
thing has really been like a present thing in my
whole life. I mean, I was in fourth grade when
STEM happened, and we like had to go into a
(12:22):
lockdown at our school, and it was, you know, it
was nasty.
Speaker 9 (12:27):
But I don't know.
Speaker 12 (12:28):
I think it's just like a kind of complicated relationship
between a lot of the gun laws that we do
have that are like more lax in places like I
turn eighteen today. If I lived in a different state
other than Colorado, I could walk into a gun store
and purchase a firearm right now.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
Yeah, and I.
Speaker 12 (12:45):
Think that's like I wouldn't say that's awesome. I mean
mostly because you know, even though I think I'm perfectly saying,
I'm not sure you know, everyone else that's my age
is either.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
But let me ask you, what would you do with
the gun? If you had one today? What would you
do with it?
Speaker 9 (13:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 12 (13:01):
I mean I don't have a good use for a gun.
I don't go hunting. I don't, like you know, live
on my own, so I don't like you know, need
personal protection or like you know, protection of my property.
I don't need something like that. So I don't think
I would personally buy a gun.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
But but I think the bigger thing here, Jeff, is,
at no point do you think to yourself, I might
need this to go get revenge on those who I
blame for my you know, my woes or my depression.
Like it just doesn't. That takes a special kind of person.
And what that tells.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Me is it's less the gun than the individual.
Speaker 9 (13:31):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 12 (13:32):
I mean it's kind of like, you know, there are
incidents like this in like the international stage, but I mean,
like you know, you don't hear a lot about you know,
like the three hundredth match shot like mass shooting in
Sweden or something, because they don't have a lot of those,
and I mean it's mostly because they have much stricter
gun laws, and that's just something we can't do in
America because you know, the Second Amendment is a.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Thing we have, uh, and there are four hundred million
guns in America.
Speaker 12 (13:58):
There's no prevalent there's no chance that we're going to
be able to like, you know, regulate it cut down
on the amount of guns that we can have for
like take the guns away from people, which I mean
that's outlandish to begin with, but I think, you know,
especially for people like me who you know, a lot
of people kind of around my age are normally the
people who do a lot of these you know, shootings,
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especially in schools and things like that, to settle these
scores and to get revenge on people.
Speaker 9 (14:25):
And I think having more.
Speaker 12 (14:26):
Of I guess, like a more involved background process on
you know people, or like their mental health state and
things like that could be more benefit.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Believe me, I want to before we end the show,
I do want to ask you about the state of
the mental health of kids in your school and your age.
And then I'm going to ask you to identify by
name the person you think most like, No, I'm not,
like what, Let's just go to Kevin from Boulder. Kevin,
you're on the Dankpla Show with George and Jeff. What
do you think, sir?
Speaker 13 (14:55):
You know, the Founders wrote to a lot more documents
than just a constitution, federalist papers Miniro, doctrine, Magna carta.
So if you want to find out what their language
really means in the Constitution, you have to read more
documents written by them than just the Constitution.
Speaker 9 (15:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (15:15):
I'm in a ap US government right now in school,
and a core part of that curriculum is going through
and understanding, you know, like all of the kind of
foundational documents of our democracy and our government system.
Speaker 13 (15:29):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (15:30):
And I mean I'm figuring that out too.
Speaker 12 (15:31):
Like we're going through and we're reading a lot of
the federalist papers, like you know FED ten, that's the
one that we're focusing on. Yeah, the one that's like
against factions. Yeah, which we're definitely listening to in our
current political plate. But yeah, I think it's you know, uh,
you definitely need to I guess kind of get more
of a grasp on what these people are talking about,
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like writing about in order to do that.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Hey, Hey, Kevin, what are your.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Thoughts on it?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Kevin? E there that's a dial tone.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
It sounds like, yeah, that's too bad, Kevin love the question.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I wanted to hear your thoughts on this. Let's go
to Jerry from Denver. Jerry, you're on the.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Dan Capell Show with Jeff and George. What do you think.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Garry or Gary?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well, it's spelled on my thing here is j A
r y. You ain't got no alibi.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
She masses that up every time.
Speaker 13 (16:24):
The A r y.
Speaker 9 (16:27):
Kelly.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
The thing that the thing that I see and I
keep yearning, And you've brought it up just a second ago.
And that was why I called in. When he says
everybody keeps focusing on the guns, I don't care about
the guns. A gun can't do anything without the ultimate
weapon operating it. And that's a human. You've been in
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the military, and so have I.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Ye, I'm still in.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
We weren't just people, we were weapons.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Well that it's true.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It's true what you say about, you know, having to
put the trigger, the finger on the trigger.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I get that.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
But so when you look at this Gary, what do
you what do you think, like, what is your solution
or at least partial solution towards this epidemic of the
school shootings.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Well, one of the biggest things, let's get back the
mental mental health care grade again. Well, look at how
many of these and you were talking to a caller
a little bit ago. If you go back, go back
the last a dozen of these type of shootings, these
type of shootings that have occurred, almost every one of
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them mental health issues. Almost every one, if not all of.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Them there will listen.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
And it's all of them have warning signs.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Gary, you have brought up a fantastic point that we're
going to explore when we come back. I love the
phone call, and Gary's right. I can go through the
cases that we've had here that I've covered. There is
mental health somewhere and all of those things. Speaking of
mental health, I'm joined in the studio by my eighteen
year old son Jeff, who's yeah, thank you, Hey listen
five seven seven three nine. As the text put Dan
(18:07):
in there, give us a called three h three someone.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Three eighty two fifty five. George Brockler filling in for
Dan on the Dan caplis show.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
You're listening to the Dankpliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Old Today in the studio for Dan Caplis, who's off
fighting the good fight on behalf of his clients. We've
had great calls, phone lines jammed at the moment. I
promise we're going to get to all of you, including
Kevin from Boulder and everybody else that's on hold. Some
texts we've had come in. Jeff's been reading them, chuckling
to himself, shaking his head at others. Here's a nice one.
Happy birthday, Jeff. George, if I remember correctly, your daughter
(18:45):
Amanda was out in the swamp. Has she or is
she in recovery yet? The answer is clearly no, she's yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
No.
Speaker 12 (18:52):
I mean, you know, DC's a nice place if you're
like my sister.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
It's a great way to put that, Dan or George.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
What a lot of people failed to ever consider is
how many times guns are used by law abiding citizens
to defend.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Their own lives.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
If we were to just outlaw guns, we would have
hundreds of thousands of more victims of violent crime. There's
certainly are stories of people who've been able to defend
themselves and others with firearms. I will say from my
own standpoint for a long time, and I'm slowly coming
out of this now that after July twentieth, twenty twelve,
which is a rural theater, I never went to the
movies with you kids without carrying.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
And you guys know that.
Speaker 9 (19:28):
I even though it, you know, against theater policy, it
will screw them.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah, I'm not going to aft someone.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
I'm a stickler for the rules you are.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Of course, I had a badge at the time too
for a lot of that, which means I can carry
under my own authority. But I was never going to
put myself or you guys in a position where all
we had in response to someone that wanted to kill
us was hope. I just was never going to do that.
It was always going to be something else. Here's another one.
I love it when people follow directions by the way
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it says Dan George is awesome. If it's not guns,
it would be knives and asked dabbings. The answer is morality.
Americans since the fifties have lost their moral compass. Also,
two working parents is a problem too, as the kids
and their issues are often overlooked or in a single
parent homes completely ignored. The other thing, men, that we
have heard is the mental health piece. And I think
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that that's important because as I look back on Columbine,
there was some mental illness, although largely undiagnosed. There wasn't
a lot of treatment or anything. I look at Aurora Theater,
obvious mental illness. Guy was seeing a psychiatrist at the
University of Colorado Health Sciences Center.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
A STEM.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
At least one of them, the sixteen year old transgender
shooter killer, had also had mental health treatment. Both of
the sixteen year olds from Mountain Vista mental health issues
for sure. Men, What are you seeing in schools? Like
what's making you what's making your classmates so cuckoo? For
coco puffs?
Speaker 9 (20:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 12 (20:55):
I think it's kind of just I mean, you know,
in my experience are like I guess, increased like connection
with each other, especially through social media and a lot
of you know, more like online things, is really driving
a lot of people into more you know, like mental
health problems. Like I mean, there's a lot of things
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like you know, eating disorders on the rise because of
BONDI dysmorphia and things like that that come from social media.
So it doesn't seem like that much of a stretch
to assume that other things, you know, other like mental
health problems that could come that would make people do
things like that, like school shootings, things like that.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
You think the social media stuff basis, how about the
COVID man you got affected? About all your siblings got
affected by COVID?
Speaker 12 (21:41):
Yeah, I feel like, I mean everyone got affected by COVID.
It was kind of just like it hit people differently
depending on you know, the like connections that they had
or the networks.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
That they had.
Speaker 12 (21:51):
I mean there's a lot of people that suffered like
more like COVID depression because you know, they couldn't go
outside or hang out with their friends and they were
just like stuck in side all day and a lot
of the time. Though, you know, like that would hit
people hard because they just don't.
Speaker 9 (22:05):
Have anyone to fall back on like that.
Speaker 12 (22:08):
And I think, you know, in a post COVID world
like that, that kind of thing has kind of stuck
with a lot of people, especially the people that were
affected by that. Maybe they want to go find more
people to you know, have a social like kind of
networker backing to them, or maybe they're just going to
continue to be isolationist and kind of like, you know,
sit in that kind of like part of depression.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Do you see anybody at school that either you or you.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And your friends say red flag like there is there's
a red flag there? That kid scares me?
Speaker 9 (22:42):
No, I mean and can so.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I mean, they're all pretty good kids. I'm just saying, yeah.
Speaker 12 (22:46):
I mean, there's just like, you know, you never know
what's going on with people like mentally, especially because you
know it's all inside and you know, they could be like,
you know, the the nicest person ever, and then they
could go and they could pull something like that and
hurt a lot of people. And I mean that's why
I think a lot of these things happen, and you know,
the response to them is you know, like kind of
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crazy because a lot of people don't see it happening
to them, or you know a lot of people don't
see people in their communities doing something like that.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Buddy.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
It it does scare me because you know, we prosecute
juveniles all the time, although it becomes harder and harder
to hold them accountable even for some of the worst
things that they've done. But the mental illness piece is real.
How much would you attribute to it accessible, the accessibility
of drugs, because the marijuana that kids used to smoke
(23:37):
back when I was in high school was like low
potency street swag. Now the stuff that they can get
their hands on knock your socks off.
Speaker 12 (23:44):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know about that. I'm personally
gonna like stay near, like you know, way far away
from drugs because I just don't want to deal with that.
But I mean it's kind of like, you know, drugs
are in kind of the same boat as alcohol and
other things. You know, like there's an age limit and
then you can get it, and I think it's kind
of just getting to that point where, you know, like
back in your time, I assume a lot of people,
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like you know, teenagers would ask adults to get alcohol
for them and that would happen. I think, you know,
it's kind of just like it could just be switching
to drugs.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Can you buy me gummies?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (24:17):
I don't know, dude, that could definitely be hurting a
lot of.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
You're eighteen, now, what's going to be your first drink
in three years?
Speaker 9 (24:24):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Good answer about question, but what about three point two beer? Jeff,
I can't drink Okay, I love the answers. We're going
to go to Chris from Fremont County. Chris, you're on
the Dan Capla show with George and Jeff.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
What do you think?
Speaker 9 (24:38):
Man?
Speaker 13 (24:41):
Tobby?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Hey, what are you doing? Living the dream? How are
you doing?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Good?
Speaker 13 (24:46):
Say?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
You know, this just sounds like a complete broken record
every single time this happened. And I would just like
to point out couple of things. First, the fortification of
any facility as far as safety from weapons goes. And
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you won't walk into any courthouse, you won't walk into
any city, county building or or any place like that
where there could be somebody disgruntled because they've you know,
paid too many taxes there a judge has been unfair.
That stuff happens all the time, but you never care
(25:34):
of shootings there because they're fortified. When are we going
to start fortifying the facilities that are children in? It's just, uh, it's.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Wrong, Chris. It's a fair it's a fair question.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And thank you for the call and to let Jeff
answer that and then we're going to get to Brandon,
Kevin and others right there.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
But thank you for that call. Jeff. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 12 (25:58):
Yeah, so, I mean, I guess it's kind of a
slippery slope. You know, Like this year, Douglas County is
implementing a new policy at their stadiums and events where
they're going to be using portable metal detectors, and like,
you know, that's a pretty easy thing to like go with.
But imagine you know, like going to school and having
to wear a clear backpack or something like that. That's
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you know, like it limits your ability to carry a
lot of things or like have things in your bag.
Like it could be better for safety of people, but
I don't think it would really change anything.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
You do something, you don't think by making it a
little harder.
Speaker 12 (26:33):
I mean, you know, there's a lot of things that
would probably like drive a lot of people away if
it was harder to do. But I mean, in these
specific circumstances and these like you know, mass acts of violence,
I don't think, you know, just simple metal detectors would
do anything.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I've heard things too from some security experts. That creates
a choke point and if you were looking to target kids,
you would do it where they were bottlenecked trying to
get through metal detectors and have their stuff scaled, and
so I don't know if there's a perfect answer. I'll
say this one thing at Sheriff Tony Spurlock did he
was great sheriff before Darren Weekly, and that was to
have deputies and their Mark Carrs park in front of
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schools when they were writing reports.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
They still do that.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I'm telling you that is a visible deterrent. These mass
shooters are freaking cowards, every single one of them. They
have no interest in getting caught, They have no interest
in being being stopped, being confronted. They are weak, and
I think that that helps. Listen, we're gonna cut away
for break. When we come back, we're gonna get to Brennan.
If it's who I think it is, man, this is
going to be a fantastic phone call. But until that time,
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you can text us at five seven seven three nine,
put Dan George is awesome and the thing, and then
we'll get to the text part of it, and then
of course you can call us a.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Three O three seven one three eighty two fifty five.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Until that time, it's Jeff and George on the Dan
Kaplas Show.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Here filling in for Dan caplas those. We're going to
go right back to the phones.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Pretty sure our next caller here, Brendan from Fort Collins,
is exactly the guy I think it is. Is this
Brendan the hero? I know you would never say that,
but what I call you a hero?
Speaker 4 (28:13):
I know you're going to say that.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
Coll Thank you for having me on the air.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Hey, this is Brendan Biley.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Brendan was one of the heroes in classroom one oh
seven during the Stem shooting back on May the seventh,
twenty nineteen. I could spend twenty minutes just talking about
all the great stuff that you did, but the bottom
line is you helped to disarm the.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Eighteen year old and you.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Were our first witness in the trial, my first witness
in the trial. You rocked it, and we sent that
guy to prison for the rest of his adult life.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Thanks for calling in, man.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
Yeah, thanks for having me. What a crazy past day,
especially what happened at the school.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
You know, listen, I kind of Brendan.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I wish I had reached out to you ahead of
time to have this conversation, but I'm too stupid to
know that you're still hanging out there and I have
your number in my phone because I'm an idiot.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
We got to do this some other time because I
only have a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
But if you have a takeaway from this that you
can give us in a couple of minutes, what would
it be?
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Yeah, this topic is both you and Jeff. No is
unbelievably complex. There are so many variables. I want to
let you know in the listeners knowing listen, my world
is firearms. I work at a gun shop. I'm a
burgeoning firearms instructor, and I shoot competitively whenever I can.
With that being said, I'm not gonna sit here and
(29:31):
just quote the Constitution here too, ex Number one. That's
not convincing and it's not going to change anything. I
listen to what Jeff had to say when we talk
about hard being schools, and I could hear the apprehension
in his voice. We talk about, like you said, making
a checkpoint, putting the metal detectors, putting in those clear backpacks,
and I could hear it through his voice, and I
know I would feel the same way if I was
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still in high school. That's really uncomfortable, and it starts
to change the attitude when we go to school well
as a gun owner, as someone who shoots competitively recreational
even I carry every single time I step out of
the house. When I hear people say, well, this guy
used an air fifteen, we need to drop all of them,
I can't help but feel the same way. We look
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back to the nineteen teams. We look back to the
nineteen twenties, when technology for firearms basically reached the point
it is today. People could take a gun and there
were no background checks, there were no age requirements, there
was no IDs. Why didn't we see mass shootings happen
in the nineteen twenties, the thirties, the forties, the fifties,
when guns were unbelievably easier to get. Where's compared to now? Right,
(30:36):
Columbine wasn't done with an air fifteen. Timothy McVeigh blew
up a federal building and killed nearly two hundred people
with a van in hardware supplies. I don't know if
there is one simple thing we can.
Speaker 9 (30:48):
Do to fix this issue.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
I think anybody who does you should probably be a
little dubious what they're selling you. But I'm sure Jeff
can probably think of examples. It is there are kids
in school that you might not look like us school shooter.
It might not think that at all, But there are
kids that are persistent with issues that school administrators and
people in the community turn a blind eye to as
(31:11):
if there is non issue. This is the status called
there's always the weirdo, right, there's always someone with the
issues until something like this happens.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Brendan, I can't, man, I just wish I had another
thirty or forty five minutes to talk with you about this,
because you're insights, your insights are huge. I'm going to
be back on nine to eight. Man, we should try
to probably try to figure out how to do this.
I would say this in our particular case, you're in
my case, the one you endured. You know, these were
two folks that broke into a gun safe and with
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a crowbar and an axe and took their weapons. This
wasn't like, you know, unsecured firearms. The guy had them
all separated by and all this other stuff. It's just
where there's evil, there will be a way.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
Absolutely Georgian And just a quick comment on that. I
look back on that. I look at a lot of
these other cases. Right, if the two shooters had gotten
to that classroom with a cactical, deliberate plan. Even with
Josh Kendrick, myself Jackson there, I don't think anything would
have happened, because if you go in there with that intention,
with that advantage, you can cause habit. We're lucky that
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these people are often out of their minds and not
thinking logically. But again, I got to turn to the numbers.
Almost everybody, you are one hundred times more likely to
be shot and filled with a glockhand done than any
rifle that anybody can pick, including their fifteenth.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
And it's just it's hard.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, Brendan, buddy, thank you for calling hi to your
in house marine and let's get together soon.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
Man, Absolutely, thank you both so much.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
All Right, Buddy, talk to you man. That was That's
a great call. Love having that call. Jeff, we are
rapidly running out of time. Anything you want to say
here as we wrap up your time on the air
on your eighteenth birthday.
Speaker 12 (32:58):
I mean, I don't know, it's been a last being
on here, being able to talk about such poignant issues
with you. I would say, if you want to hear
more from me or see more from what I do,
make sure to check us out at Rockmedia online dot org.
Me and my other student journalist friends would be happy
to have all of your support and viewership, especially on
(33:19):
the coverage that we do.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Say it again, what's the website again?
Speaker 9 (33:23):
The website is Rockmedia online dot org.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Buddy, that's fantastic, And you have a new article up there,
pretty awesome one. I've only gotten through about half of it.
You're a prolific writer. This one on video games. This
one is on night rain from Elden Ring. For folks
that don't know what that is, ask your kids.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
They will.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I do have something else, though, that I want to
say as we wrap up here. One thank you for
giving us time after school. You could have been doing
anything on your eighteenth birthday. Thank you for spending with us.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
But also, happy birthday to you.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
No, happy birthday to you, Happy birthday. Yes, thank you, buddy.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I couldn't be prouder of you.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
Man.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Honestly, you and your siblings have made being a dad
the most important thing in my life.
Speaker 9 (34:13):
Man.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
I love you, I hope. Yeah, thank you for diming
me out for that.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I love you, son, and I can't wait to see
what to do with the rest of your magical life.
Kelly Ryan, thanks for everything, Dan, thanks for the opportunity
Jeff sign us off.
Speaker 9 (34:28):
This has been George and Jeff on The Dan Kaplis Show.
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