September 23, 2025 • 34 mins
With Dan tied up in court for the start of Monday's show, 23rd district attorney George Brauchler talks to son Geoff about his imminent ascension to the prestigious rank of Eagle Scout.
Also, the Trump DOJ and FBI mobilized with breathtaking speed and resources to hunt down Charlie Kirk's killer. Would the same effort have been expended if it had been a prominent left-wing activist who was assassinated?
Also, the Trump DOJ and FBI mobilized with breathtaking speed and resources to hunt down Charlie Kirk's killer. Would the same effort have been expended if it had been a prominent left-wing activist who was assassinated?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caples and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind,
and to subscribe, download, and listen to the show every
single day on your favorite podcast platform. Well, it's not Dan,
it should be It should be Dan Franklin. It could
be Dan later today. My name is George Brockler.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm filling in for Dan Caplis, who is back in
the courtroom after crushing it last week. I can't remember
if this got any airtime, Ryan, but honestly, the verdict
and the award that they got out of the jury
for that horrible, horrible case that he and the team
handled out on the Western Slope was ridiculous. It was
(00:42):
an incredible outcome. I'll let him tell about the details
of it. What great work on behalf of victims. These
are folks that lost their six year old girl to something,
and I'll let Dan tell the story of it. But
oh my gosh. So anyway, he's back in court on
something else. I'm going to cover for him until he
joins us.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
If he can make it, he will, If he can't,
he'll be in tomorrow. In the meantime, I get a
chance to speak with you over the course of however
much time that we have left. The news of the
day seems to be sort of the aftermath of the
Charlie Kirk vigil slash memorial yesterday that took place out
in Glendale, Arizona. I be candid with you. I saw
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none of it live. I didn't watch any of it.
I know some folks did. I caught little snippets, of
course online through the social media stuff. I have had
sort of an interesting connection to this case, and I
don't want to talk too much out of school on it,
but before this guy got charged, I had an opportunity
(01:42):
to provide some information to the prosecutors on the case,
not information about the case. So it was more like,
how did we deal with certain aspects of the media
and some of the other evidentiary hurdles from the Aurora
Theater case. And I was honored to do that, and
they made their own decisions. But that was a week
ago today, and then they made their filing of charges.
(02:04):
I would like to talk about this in greater length,
but I got to say point of personal privilege here.
You know, I've had my son Jeff inside the booth
here before to talk about some of the stuff he's
done in school, some of the stuff he's done in Scouts,
some of the stuff just thoughts on current events and
stuff like that. Well, he can't join me today in
person kind of because of the last minute nature of it,
(02:26):
and he's also playing uber to his younger brother. But
I did want to have moncas today is a big
one this evening. By the time we get off the radio,
he'll be embarking on the last leg of a journey
he started a long time ago. And if that sounds
like a line from a Paul Simon song, it is.
But I'm going to bring him up right now. This
is the aforementioned Jeff Brockler on dan Kaplis six thirty
(02:50):
kh Now, Jeff, thanks for joining us. Hey, look, you're
at the end of a journey here, right. You have
completed your Eagle ski out project. You turned eighteen a
couple weeks ago. Maybe it's a few weeks ago now,
but tonight is something big. Would you just tell us
what it is you're doing this evening? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
So, in scouting, the last like requirement for every rank
is that you have to sit down with a board
of three to five adults and kind of show that
you're ready to be you know, that rank in scouting.
And today I have my Eagle scout board review, which
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is the big one. It's kind of like a culmination
of everything. They have an hour to ask me a
bunch of different questions about my project or my time
at scouting and like how it's impacted me, how it's
been important to me, and then they'll decide whether or
not I'm ready to be Eagle. And it's different from
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other ones because other board of reviews for like different
lower ranks and scouting you can repeat and do again
if you don't pass this one. If you don't pass,
you do, you can't do it again.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
It's it's and you're eighteen, so I mean you're timed out,
Like this is it right? This is your only shot?
Have you heard anecdotally of kids that have gotten as
far as you've gotten in the board says thank you,
but no thank you, You don't get your Eagle.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, well, I mean it's only been for like some
like extenuating circumstances, like they don't get a signature that
was required on a specific form to do their project
or something that's kind of like, honestly, the only reason
that people don't get it.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Well, wait a minute, wasn't there a story you told
me about someone who said, no, I don't believe in
God or something like that. Oh there, something like that one. Yeah,
that's kind of it feels like a big one of
the Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
One of the points of Scout law is reverent. It's
the last one because it is pretty important, you know,
like in Scouts, we uh kind of like dedicate ourselves
to our communities, to ourselves and to God. And if
you are, you know, doing your Eagle Scout Board of Honor,
the board of Review, and you say you don't believe
in God, that's like a whole pillar of miscounting values
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and messages. That's just the gone, Like you don't do that.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Are you nervous at all about this border review?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Son?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I mean I was at least like yesterday, but I
went through a couple of questions with Trey, my older brother,
and my Eagle Scout mentor.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
And I think that I'm yeah, it just a quick
shout out if anyone knows Andy rowd, this dude is
all world. I mean, we need more dads like andy rowd,
that's this dude is phenomenal anyway, So you went through
some questions with them, yep, and okay, great and of
course copious amounts. Dad's suggestion was copious amounts of cough syrup?
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Have you done that?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
H Did you tell me that?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I didn't. You shouldn't because there's a little bit of
alcohol in there. I'm not asking you to do that.
So what time does this thing kick off?
Speaker 4 (06:04):
It starts at seven.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
When do you get the final results?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Like?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Do they it starts at seven? Oh my gosh, So
this thing goes an hour, it becomes eight o'clock. Do
they then call you back in? Is this like, I mean,
is there any chance this turns into Joe Peschi from
Goodfellas And they walk you into a room that has
plastic on the floor and that's it.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
I mean, I don't think so. I think it's kind
of like you just, you know, wait in a back
room for like fifteen or so minutes, and then someone
will come get you and then they'll announce their decision,
and you know, that's it.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And then let's say everything goes the way it's supposed
to go, and they say, hey, Jeff, congratulations we're going
to mark approved on your file or whatever it is
that they do. When then do you actually officially become
an Eagle Scout? Like, what does that take?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Well, that's the day, like today would be the day
that I become an Eagle Scout if I passed the
word review, Like, that's the day that they work with.
But I'm not going to be able to do like
a court of honor where you can get all of
your goodies like pins and badges and things and celebrate
with people. You can't do that until National recognizes it
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and sends you a letter, and that takes two months.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
So so we're looking I mean, I've got horrible calendar
skills here, but we're looking at November for some sort
of celebratory Jeffson eagle kind of a thing.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yeah, probably. I mean Trey got his eagle in August
and had to wait until like after Christmas. Oh yeah,
it is a court of honor.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Though, Well, buddy, I listen, and I know this is
going to sound selfish. All the people out there hoping
we were going to talk about nothing but Charlie Kirk
and politics, and we'll get there, I promise, But there's
not a lot of opportunities in life to get on
the radio, there are even less opportunities to get on
the radio and tell your son in front of everybody, listen,
I'm proud of you, buddy, I love you, and uh,
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thank you. Go out there and do great things.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Okay, yeah, I can tell you're tearing up.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, thank you for announcing that. For any of those
that were doubting what Dad's voice was doing there, you've
you've heard it before. I'm very proud of your son.
And call me afterwards and let me know how it went. Okay, yep,
all right, buddy, I love you. I'll talk with you later. Yeah,
my son. That was Jeff Brockler Future. I believe Eagle Scout,
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And I got to say, it's not a perfect connection
to the stuff with Charlie Kirk and all that. But
you know, I think a lot of times we look
at the future generations and we see nothing but the
crazies on one side of the political spectrum, and we think,
my god, what's what's going to happen to America? But
I got to tell you, man, you look at the
Charlie Kirks and some of the other things that he's inspired,
and the other folks and stuff like that. And and
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I'm not bragging on me as a parent, because it's
it's not me. I mean, it's these kids. I got hope, man,
I got hope for that next generation.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Well, George, the connection is and you may have known this,
but Charlie Kirk himself wasn't Eagle.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Song, so I didn't know that. Yes, oh my good,
did not know that.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
So that dovetails nicely right in. And I love how
Jeff's the stoic one. You're kind of breaking up your
very emotions.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Hey, hanging there, He'll be all right. Trey is even
Trey is even more like at one point I was
on the radio with Trey saying the same thing, Ha'm
really proud of you, I love you, all this other stuff,
long silence, and Trey comes back with thanks. I'm like, well,
you know, I didn't. I didn't raise him to be criers.
But you know, they're just great kids. I'm glad I
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got a chance to get.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
A little bit more nostalgic. You get to your age
in mind, George, you know, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I mean, look, I've told them my goal for you,
like everyone else in America, I hope their goal for
their kids is to overachieve what they've done. So for me,
I've failed at we Belows like I bailed out at
we Belows, and these kids I got after today fingers crossed.
Three of the four will be Eagles, and Graham is
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a life scout. He'll be on the path. He just
needs to get the rest of the badges and the project,
and I'm thrilled for that, and I want them to
be able to go through the like my dad had
to work all the way through college, right I didn't.
I had an ROTC scholarship, but I needed that to
go to college. None of these kids, based on the
things that we did growing up financially, none of these
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kids have to get a scholarship or have to do
ROTC to get their college paid for. That to me
is the American dream. The next generation just keeps getting
into a better position, and I just want to keep
that going. But also the expectations are bigger. So the
expectations for these kids are. You got a lot more
opportunities to do good, And my hope as you do
just that. You know, Yeah, hey, listen, when we come back,
(10:40):
I do want to talk to you about the Charlie
Kirk thing. I have been off the radio the entire time.
I don't know if you guys remember this, but it
was the Sheriff and the DA Show right before Charlie
Kirk got assassinated, and so I haven't had any opportunity
to chat with you about it. I want to do that.
I want to talk about what I thought to be
the most inspiration all and yet for me, insurmountable hill
(11:03):
to climb, and that was one of the quotes we'll
play when we come back. And then I want to
talk to you about some things that have had his
thoughts growing at us and get your feedback on it.
But you got to stick around for that. Here's what
we can do, though. You can text us right here
on the show. If you fire up five seven seven
three nine five seven seven three nine, just type in
Dan so it make sure it gets to us in
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some way. And then we also have a phone number,
and that number is zero. I can never remember it.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Three zero three three zero three seven one seven three
eighty two fifty five eighty two fifty five until we
come back. I'm George Brockler, I'm the Dan Capla Show.
And now back to the dankapla show podcast the Mountain,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I don't know how you found this man that quickly
just based off This is George Brockler filling it for
Dan Caple's until Dan joins us Ryan Schruling the master
behind the glass there find I think that Paul Simon
song from which that mine came from.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
That was a high level of difficulty. I was talking
to Kelly behind. I'm like George dropped the lyric, but
I don't recognize that boom. This was a kind of
a deep poll by you Simon's table.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
That's right. I'm a big Paul Simon fan. Ob Hey,
listen my thanks to my son Jeff. I don't know
if he's listening anymore. I'm sure this is his go
to show as he drives around town at age eighteen,
but I wanted to read some fantastic texts. You guys
are so great, says Eagles, Your sons Charlie Kirk, Me
and mutual friend Chris Sherry. By the way, pretty sure
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I know Chris, who received his at the same ceremony
as me. I'm humbled to be among people like that
left handed handshake. That's, of course, of reference to Scout handshake.
Congrats to your son. My son is thirty two, got
his Eagle Scout just before timing out. That's a big deal, man,
because eighteen years old in one day and you're done.
There isn't it doesn't matter how close you are, you
don't get it. Man.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
I just want to let you know that Haley made
it to Brownies and then I didn't like any of
the moms.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
That were there.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
You know what I appreciate is that I basically, you know,
I told her upright one day, I'm like, do you
really want to go to Brownie's and sell all these
cookies and crap? And I really honestly don't like any
of the mothers. And she goes shocking, I don't like
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any of the girls.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I'm going, okay, she doesn't like any women. Well that
is uh. I appreciate it. It was mom's relationships with
the other mothers that sort of led the led the
departure from the scouting world. But I get it. I
understand you got to really like the parents too, because
you're with them for a long long time. Here's another one.
What a great kid you have in Jeff. I can
hear it in his voice that he will be a
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judge someday. He probably just chortled if he heard that.
Jeff is really big into the tech stuff, the computer
stuff and game design. That's his big thing, and a
damn one. Thank you, George. Here's when I met you
at crime Con. I listened to the talks about Combine
High School in the Aurora theater. Thing I did do that.
I never would have guessed that. Sadly, within a couple
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of weeks we would have had another Colorado school shooting.
That's true, man, That Evergreen one still haunts me. I
need to know more about what happened there. As a
former scout master who never attained the rank of Eagle Scout,
I was always always humbled by the work the boys
put in too become an Eagle. You should be damn
proud of that kid. He's worked his butt off. In congratulations,
you deserve to be about to be a proud papa.
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I'm already proud, and he hasn't worked his entire butt off.
There's been a lot. There's still some left back there. Jeff,
if you're listening, we got to hit the gym again.
I'm an Eagle scout too. For the last forty nine years.
Once an eagle, always an eagle. I'm truly impressed by
your son achieving that rank. Kudos to your son. And then,
of course, our buddy Alexa went full on Spanish Jorge
stan la casa, which I believe is George has pretty feet.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
But thank you for that, Alexa. That's not it. No,
that means George is in the house.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Are you sure? I am very sure. I feel like Anchorman,
agree to disagree, like, doesn't it mean sant Diego? No, No,
that's not it at all. Anyway, Jeff, congratulations, man, go kick,
but do the great stuff that you do. You're gonna
be fantastic. I wanted to shift gears a little bit here,
this Charlie Kirk thing that took place. I want to
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talk about some hot take stuff on this stuff that
I haven't heard people talk about, but I think about
as a prosecutor, and I also think about from the
standpoint of just a regular old citizen, and that is
this if you can take yourself out of the Charlie
Kirk piece. And Charlie Kirk was a huge influential person
person for a lot of people. But I ran into
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people in my own office who when we were putting
all this stuff on TV, we had it going on
in the office, all the live updates. They would come
by and be like, who's Charlie Kirk? And I thought
to myself, these are educated people in the criminal justice world.
This just isn't their band into politics. Like they just don't.
They don't listen to him, they don't know him. He's
not in their Twitter feed or whatever it is. And
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that made me ask the question, would the federal government
have taken this same all hands on deck, throw every
bit of tax money possible at solving this as quickly
as they did if it had been someone else, I mean, honestly,
And again, he's not an elected official, right, It's not
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like he's a congressman. You can't use the example of
an AOC or something like that had she been. And
I'm not asking for any of these people to be heard.
I'm just using them as an example for this. But
let's take someone like a Taylor Swift. And again, I
want no harm to come to Taylor Swift. Ever, I
don't I have nothing against her. I'm saying, most popular
pop culture person on the planet Earth. There is no
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close second. I just think that's undeniable. If someone at
a concert had somehow done something like this, would the
government's response have been the same? I don't know. I mean, Ryan,
do you think that we would have seen every member
of the FBI mobilized and the FBI director out there?
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And maybe the answers yes, But I ask myself, but
for the fact that Charlie Kirk was who he was
to this administration and to these people, would we have
seen the same outcome?
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Outcome or like you said, resource, let's say the effort. Well, yeah,
I think there was. There's no denying there was an
expedited urgency of getting to the bottom of this and
doing it as quickly as possible. Because of who Charlie
Kirk was. I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that.
I would hope, though, to your point, George, that it
was any political figure, and I mean anybody on the left,
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because we're different from them, that there would be the
same kind of robust resources dedicated and that we would
get to the bottom of it, because political violence is
not an acceptable means to an end in this country.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
But that's me. Well, I agree with you that if
the basis for this was to tack call political violence,
then I would say, yes, I want it to be
across the board. Now you can't really analogize it as
some on the left had done to the state senator
from Michigan and her husband. Who's Michigan right? Or was
it Minnesota? Minnesota? I'm sorry and it was one of
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the m states that got murdered in there. But you
made the same mistake to Montell Williamston. Oh great me
and Montell brothers from another mother he when we come back,
I want to ask your opinion. Do you think we'd
have seen the same thing had this occurred to someone
on the left and pick whoever you want. Was this
the response we were always going to have? Or is
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it because of Charlie three or three seven, three eighty
two fifty five George Brockler filling in the Dan Capla show.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. George Brockler
filling in for Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
We've been talking a little bit about the Charlie Kirk thing,
just starting to and I had asked the question, do
you think that if it was anybody else that they
would have gotten the same priority in terms of solving
their crime catching their killer that Charlie Kirk got And
what struck me about it, in part was Cash Pattel,
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who's the director of the FBI, him coming out and
professing his friendship with Charlie. I'm friends with Charlie. Charlie's
a friend all of these other members of the administration,
and it makes me wonder, what if you're not the
administration's friend, What if you're not Cash Ptel's friend. What
if you're on the other side of the political spectrum
and this happens. I don't have a good example of
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who that is because there is nobody like Charlie Kirk
on the other side. There just isn't. And you can't
say it's the same thing as if like an AOC
or Bernie Sanders were assassinated, which I would never ever
want because they're elected officials. That's an attack on our government.
That is different. And I just don't know the answer
to that. But maybe to help us with that, and
you give us a call it three zho three seven
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one three eighty two fifty five is Ralph from Denver.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Ralph.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
What do you think, man, Well, what I'm thinking is
there isn't anybody on either side, politician or otherwise that
could have effectively brought the country together as Charlie did. Now,
I barely knew about Charlie. I barely knew about him,
but I understand what he's done for this country, and
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rightn't anybody, including President Trump, and I'm an avid supporter
and contributor to President Trump, he couldn't have done done.
He could not have done as good a job of
bringing the country together as Charlie did. For one thing,
nobody on the left would have listened to him if
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he said exactly the same thing in exactly the same way.
None of the news media can possibly step up with
the same the same rhetoric and the same and the
same endorsements in the same heartfelt motion. Nobody. I don't
know if anybody. And I'm listening to news all the time,
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Fox everybody, and don't listen to them all all the time.
And a politician, don't even politicians worry about how they're
going to get get elected to the next position. Of
them don't have the enthusiasm that Charlie had. Maybe ninety
five percent don't have that enthusiasm. And on the Democratic side.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Break Ralph. There's Ralph there's no doubt that Charlie Kirk
was unique. I don't know if anybody else like him
in my lifetime. That part is true. But when you
sit back and think about how massive and overwhelming the
law enforcement response was in terms of catching this guy
and pursuing him and all this other stuff, do you
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think that same level of commitment, those same resources would
have been brought to bear had it been someone not
Charlie Kirk, had it been some other private citizen, but
someone who wielded similar kind of influence. And that's hard
to find because there is nobody on the left like that.
But can you imagine them doing that? Or do you
think this was this was just totally normal.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
No, I think this was a little above normal. But
he was abnormal. I mean he was justified in doing
what he did, or or the rewards are justified, and
the the activity involved in bringing justice to this guy
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is in fact justified. If the President of the United
States was actually killed, you'd have as much I don't
think you'd have as much angst. And the reason is because.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Really you don't think so. Even if it was the president,
you think there would be less angst than Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Now, yes, yes, I do. And the reason is because
it's simple. Charlie Kirk brought both sides of the of
the politicians together at the same time. That would not
have been brought together if it wasn't for him, If
it was for another politician doing exactly the exactly the
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same titles, see the exact same burbish, the exact same topics,
the exact same everything. It was enough. If it was
another side of the politician politician spectrum, it would not
have had the same impact. Absolutely with god.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Ralph, that is an interesting point. By the way, thank
you for getting us kicked off on the phone call.
That is an interesting point to leave off with, and
thank you for that call. Ralph's point is the assassination
of Charlie Kirk bigger in terms of impact and the
amount of answer creates than the assassination if it had
happened of President Trump. I, Ralph, I don't think think
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I agree, respectfully. And I say that because President Trump,
whether or not he was as good a communicator as Charlie,
and whether or not he brought certain people together, and
I'm not so sure Charlie Kirk brought a lot of
people together. On the political spectrum. I think his great
strength was in giving voice to a lot of the
values and principles that our generation and frankly the next
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generation had, and giving them the courage to step forward
and voice those things. But having said that, the assassination
of a member of government is an attack on our government,
a direct attack on our government, and I think we
would have to have overwhelming response in that way. But
we didn't with a private citizen, even if that private
citizen turns out to be one of the most influential
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people out there. And if you look at these texts
at five seven seven three nine, put Dan in there.
Five seven seven three nine, here's a couple of Democrats
are the enemy of the United States. So I don't care.
That's one not super helpful. But there's two more here.
I want to read to you. This one. I think
that this FBI would have reacted as quickly as they
did if it was Taylor Swift. What is in saying
as how little we know about Thomas Crooks? Fourteen months
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later he tried to assassinate the president. Also, Biden had
his FBI devote or I'm sorry, devote extensive resources to
find every person who entered the Capitol on j six,
even if they did nothing else. Yet they could not
find the person who left bombs on January fifth, twenty
one or I was going to say this if this
person didn't who left cocaine in the White House. It's
a great point. Biden's FBI also was investigating Charlie Kirk
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after Trump won in twenty twenty four. Charlie said he
was thankful because now he would not be thrown in
jail by Biden's FBI. That's Alexa, another one that takes
the opposite of you. The response wouldn't be the same
because the left is the left is not about supporting
this country nor the constitution. All you have to do
is listen to the left media and they have your answer.
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Another tax, George, what can be done about our Antifa
council members if they admit to being a terrorist. Different issue.
We could get to that, And then another one here.
I can't imagine they would have flown a liberal or
Trump foe on Air two, and given all the other
pomp and circumstance they gave to Charlie Kirk. That's another
great point. This guy received the kind of treatment that
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the head of state or an appointed or elected official
would receive. And yet he was, and I'm using this gently,
just a private citizen. He was just a private citizen
who had done great things with the area that he
was carving out in politics, no doubt about it. And
I just wonder, though, if we would do that for
someone else who didn't have the connections to the White House,
(26:31):
who didn't have the connections to the FBI director. And
this is what I'm getting to. Shouldn't government's response be
free of those entanglements. Shouldn't the response be the same
whether you're friends with the person or not. As the
district attorney, if a good friend of mine were to
be murdered, it would make more sense for me to
(26:51):
get a special prosecutor, let's say, to handle that case
than for me to take it on, because I think
the public would rightly call into question my motivation. Am
I just trying to seek justice? Or is it a
justice tempered by my affinity and my affiliation with this person?
And I worry about things like that. I worry about it,
and we'll cut to a break here in a minute.
I worry about a couple things like this too, Like
(27:13):
when Director Patel came out and my god, he vomited
up a lot of facts on this case in a
way that you just don't see in any other setting.
In fact, I think it was Megan Kelly who I
listened to. I like Megan, I'm a fan. Megan Kelly
had said, when have you seen the FBI ever come
out and give this much information after an arrest? And
(27:35):
she said it as a compliment, like this is about transparency. No,
the reason the FBI doesn't do it is because you
can't poison the well in a prosecution or a potential
jury selection in the future by dumping all the facts
out into the public stream. And yet that's what's happened here.
There's very little we don't know about this guy, and
(27:56):
it makes me wonder are we going to be able
to secure just that is deserved here? Justice for Charlie
Kirk and justice for his family? Are we going to
be able to secure that here? And I'll talk to
you about my concerns about this. I also want to
play this clip blown Away by Erica Kirk. I mean,
her heart, her faith, her commitment, They just and just
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blow me away. Look our text line five seven seven
three nine keeps sending them. Man, I'll read them as
I can on here, but also give us a call.
Three h three seven and three eighty two fifty five
three zero three seven one three eight two double Nickel
fifty five. George Brockler, be right back on the Dan
Kampla Show. And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
(28:38):
That is the great sounds of Sarah McLaughlin, who I
don't think she's a conservative, Kelly, No, No, I think
she might actually be left of center ballpark. Yes here
that is in relation to an article that Ryan found
that he sent to me that it's called amid the
backlash to Kimmel's suspension. Sarah McLaughlin says performances at lil
(28:59):
Fair documentary debut canceled in support of free speech, and
nothing says I support free speech like canceling your own.
I am a I'm actually a fan of her music.
I mean, I love listening to the music and stuff.
But I've never once thought to myself, could she be
a Republican. There's never been that moment. But she does
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have a very very lovely voice. Listen to George Brockler
filling in for Dan Kaplis I'm gonna be here until
either Dan comes in or they shut us down. That
could be at any time, could be either, or could
be either, or could be at the same time. Here's
some more textan of coming at five seven seven three nine. Congratulations,
said Jeff ahead of time. I know you're a proud dad.
Charlie Kirk was an amazing young man. He definitely had
influence behind the scenes in the White House. If he
(29:42):
brought one person to Christianity, he should be celebrated. I
think he did a lot more. That's Laura from Parker.
Trump administration is following the rule of law, whereas the
Hussein oh bite me the rest of it would have
swept Charlie's murder out of recorded history with the help
from the clown show media and you you know it.
Argue with me. Here's another one. That's why Charlie's death
(30:03):
impacted so many people, so much deeper than if a
politician were killed. Listen, Maybe I just don't think that
law enforcement's response to a murder should be predicated on
how important that person was. That doesn't feel like our
form of justice. It feels like if someone assassinated anyone,
(30:24):
that the efforts ought to be pretty similar. Now, the
part that gives me a little bit of pause, and
that is a part that Ryan talked about that I
agree with, and that is this was a politically motivated
assassination of a figure who had a pretty large bit.
I understand that, but let me give it to you
in these terms. Two. FBI right now has one of
the best labs on the planet Earth. They do a
(30:45):
ton of DNA, including on local cases. Heck, we have
cases where they have some of our DNA. Those things
don't get processed in six hours, twelve hours, twenty four
hours a week, a month. It takes months for them
to process this. So whether it's an unsolved case or
appending prosecution, there are my guess is hundreds of DNA
(31:06):
samples that are sitting there on shelves if that's where
they keep them at the FBI lab at Quantico, waiting
to be processed. And my best guess is don't know
the answer. Best guess is that all of those were
delayed so that they could rush through the DNA analysis
on this case, so that the director of the FBI
could say stuff he's not permitted to say by DOJ policy,
(31:29):
by FBI policy, and by rules governing the Department of
Justice attorneys, and that is to say, we found the
guy's DNA on a screwdriver up on the roof. You
just don't get to say stuff like that. Does the
public have an interest in knowing? Yes they do. Do
they have a right to know? Not at that point
in time, No, they don't. And this is what gets
(31:50):
me to a little bit of pause here with our
director of the FBI. And I'm happy to talk in
the next hour about this, but also about some of
the comments of the Attorney General. Look, I'm fans of
what we're trying to do with law enforcement. I'm fans
of it. But when you're the FBI director and you're
holding daily, if not hourly, press conferences where you're spilling
out more investigative facts after the dude has been apprehended,
(32:13):
I feel differently. If what you're putting out there is
this is what he looks like, this is where he
might be, this is where he might have all those
things are important. But after the fact, when you start
putting out things like, oh, dude, is he's got a
transgender roommate, why is that fact relevant to the prosecution
in this case? In a way that the public ought
(32:33):
to know about it before it's presented in court. So,
as a prosecutor, and I realize I have a different
brain than most people because of what we do. I
get concerned that we put enough in the public stream
that some judge, and it's probably not a judge in Utah,
but some judge, maybe even an appellate judge, says, wait
a minute, Wait a minute. You can't just say due process.
(32:55):
You actually have to enforce due process by making sure
you create an environment or keep from creating a negative
environment where you can't get a fair jury. So at
this point, now you're gonna have jurors. My guess there
isn't anybody that could be a juror on this case
that won't have heard dude's got a transgender love interest roommate.
Dude wrote a whole bunch of crazy things on the bullets.
(33:18):
Dude had his DNA on a screwdriver, a DNA on
the rifle, a DNA on the bullets, all this other stuff.
You know, he largely confessed. The FBI director said that
you just can't do that. You can't do that because
we don't try cases in the public eye. And what
frustrates me is to hear people like Cash Patil say
(33:39):
this is all about we're gonna be transparent. No, you're not.
You cannot be transparent by trying a case in public.
And it frustrates me to hear someone who I'm a
big fan of, Megan Kelly, who's an attorney, echo that
and say I really appreciate their level of transparency. They're
saying things no FBI has ever said before, and I'm
like that that's right, because we can't do it. What
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concern is this this time? It's the Charlie Kirk killer.
But you and I both know this administration is going
to change hands at some point and there's going to
be a new FBI director and a new United States
Attorney General, and this time the person may be someone
else that we don't think ought to be targeted or
we don't think may be guilty. But if they dump
all this stuff out into the public stream, what are
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their chances of a fair trial? And at the end
of the day, our American criminal justice system is not
an outcome driven system. It is a processed driven system.
The ends do not justify the means. The means justify
the ends. Three or three seven one, three eighty two
fifty five. I'll be with you for well till Dan
(34:43):
comes back, or they shut us down at six o'clock
five seven, seven, three nine. Lots of texts coming in
and I'll read those. You stick around. My name is
George Brockler. This is the Dan Kapla Show.
This is Dan Caples and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind,
and to subscribe, download, and listen to the show every
single day on your favorite podcast platform. Well, it's not Dan,
it should be It should be Dan Franklin. It could
be Dan later today. My name is George Brockler.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm filling in for Dan Caplis, who is back in
the courtroom after crushing it last week. I can't remember
if this got any airtime, Ryan, but honestly, the verdict
and the award that they got out of the jury
for that horrible, horrible case that he and the team
handled out on the Western Slope was ridiculous. It was
(00:42):
an incredible outcome. I'll let him tell about the details
of it. What great work on behalf of victims. These
are folks that lost their six year old girl to something,
and I'll let Dan tell the story of it. But
oh my gosh. So anyway, he's back in court on
something else. I'm going to cover for him until he
joins us.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
If he can make it, he will, If he can't,
he'll be in tomorrow. In the meantime, I get a
chance to speak with you over the course of however
much time that we have left. The news of the
day seems to be sort of the aftermath of the
Charlie Kirk vigil slash memorial yesterday that took place out
in Glendale, Arizona. I be candid with you. I saw
(01:19):
none of it live. I didn't watch any of it.
I know some folks did. I caught little snippets, of
course online through the social media stuff. I have had
sort of an interesting connection to this case, and I
don't want to talk too much out of school on it,
but before this guy got charged, I had an opportunity
(01:42):
to provide some information to the prosecutors on the case,
not information about the case. So it was more like,
how did we deal with certain aspects of the media
and some of the other evidentiary hurdles from the Aurora
Theater case. And I was honored to do that, and
they made their own decisions. But that was a week
ago today, and then they made their filing of charges.
(02:04):
I would like to talk about this in greater length,
but I got to say point of personal privilege here.
You know, I've had my son Jeff inside the booth
here before to talk about some of the stuff he's
done in school, some of the stuff he's done in Scouts,
some of the stuff just thoughts on current events and
stuff like that. Well, he can't join me today in
person kind of because of the last minute nature of it,
(02:26):
and he's also playing uber to his younger brother. But
I did want to have moncas today is a big
one this evening. By the time we get off the radio,
he'll be embarking on the last leg of a journey
he started a long time ago. And if that sounds
like a line from a Paul Simon song, it is.
But I'm going to bring him up right now. This
is the aforementioned Jeff Brockler on dan Kaplis six thirty
(02:50):
kh Now, Jeff, thanks for joining us. Hey, look, you're
at the end of a journey here, right. You have
completed your Eagle ski out project. You turned eighteen a
couple weeks ago. Maybe it's a few weeks ago now,
but tonight is something big. Would you just tell us
what it is you're doing this evening? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
So, in scouting, the last like requirement for every rank
is that you have to sit down with a board
of three to five adults and kind of show that
you're ready to be you know, that rank in scouting.
And today I have my Eagle scout board review, which
(03:33):
is the big one. It's kind of like a culmination
of everything. They have an hour to ask me a
bunch of different questions about my project or my time
at scouting and like how it's impacted me, how it's
been important to me, and then they'll decide whether or
not I'm ready to be Eagle. And it's different from
(03:55):
other ones because other board of reviews for like different
lower ranks and scouting you can repeat and do again
if you don't pass this one. If you don't pass,
you do, you can't do it again.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
It's it's and you're eighteen, so I mean you're timed out,
Like this is it right? This is your only shot?
Have you heard anecdotally of kids that have gotten as
far as you've gotten in the board says thank you,
but no thank you, You don't get your Eagle.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, well, I mean it's only been for like some
like extenuating circumstances, like they don't get a signature that
was required on a specific form to do their project
or something that's kind of like, honestly, the only reason
that people don't get it.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Well, wait a minute, wasn't there a story you told
me about someone who said, no, I don't believe in
God or something like that. Oh there, something like that one. Yeah,
that's kind of it feels like a big one of
the Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
One of the points of Scout law is reverent. It's
the last one because it is pretty important, you know,
like in Scouts, we uh kind of like dedicate ourselves
to our communities, to ourselves and to God. And if
you are, you know, doing your Eagle Scout Board of Honor,
the board of Review, and you say you don't believe
in God, that's like a whole pillar of miscounting values
(05:11):
and messages. That's just the gone, Like you don't do that.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Are you nervous at all about this border review?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Son?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I mean I was at least like yesterday, but I
went through a couple of questions with Trey, my older brother,
and my Eagle Scout mentor.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
And I think that I'm yeah, it just a quick
shout out if anyone knows Andy rowd, this dude is
all world. I mean, we need more dads like andy rowd,
that's this dude is phenomenal anyway, So you went through
some questions with them, yep, and okay, great and of
course copious amounts. Dad's suggestion was copious amounts of cough syrup?
(05:52):
Have you done that?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
H Did you tell me that?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I didn't. You shouldn't because there's a little bit of
alcohol in there. I'm not asking you to do that.
So what time does this thing kick off?
Speaker 4 (06:04):
It starts at seven.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
When do you get the final results?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Like?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Do they it starts at seven? Oh my gosh, So
this thing goes an hour, it becomes eight o'clock. Do
they then call you back in? Is this like, I mean,
is there any chance this turns into Joe Peschi from
Goodfellas And they walk you into a room that has
plastic on the floor and that's it.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
I mean, I don't think so. I think it's kind
of like you just, you know, wait in a back
room for like fifteen or so minutes, and then someone
will come get you and then they'll announce their decision,
and you know, that's it.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And then let's say everything goes the way it's supposed
to go, and they say, hey, Jeff, congratulations we're going
to mark approved on your file or whatever it is
that they do. When then do you actually officially become
an Eagle Scout? Like, what does that take?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Well, that's the day, like today would be the day
that I become an Eagle Scout if I passed the
word review, Like, that's the day that they work with.
But I'm not going to be able to do like
a court of honor where you can get all of
your goodies like pins and badges and things and celebrate
with people. You can't do that until National recognizes it
(07:13):
and sends you a letter, and that takes two months.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
So so we're looking I mean, I've got horrible calendar
skills here, but we're looking at November for some sort
of celebratory Jeffson eagle kind of a thing.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yeah, probably. I mean Trey got his eagle in August
and had to wait until like after Christmas. Oh yeah,
it is a court of honor.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Though, Well, buddy, I listen, and I know this is
going to sound selfish. All the people out there hoping
we were going to talk about nothing but Charlie Kirk
and politics, and we'll get there, I promise, But there's
not a lot of opportunities in life to get on
the radio, there are even less opportunities to get on
the radio and tell your son in front of everybody, listen,
I'm proud of you, buddy, I love you, and uh,
(07:54):
thank you. Go out there and do great things.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Okay, yeah, I can tell you're tearing up.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, thank you for announcing that. For any of those
that were doubting what Dad's voice was doing there, you've
you've heard it before. I'm very proud of your son.
And call me afterwards and let me know how it went. Okay, yep,
all right, buddy, I love you. I'll talk with you later. Yeah,
my son. That was Jeff Brockler Future. I believe Eagle Scout,
(08:22):
And I got to say, it's not a perfect connection
to the stuff with Charlie Kirk and all that. But
you know, I think a lot of times we look
at the future generations and we see nothing but the
crazies on one side of the political spectrum, and we think,
my god, what's what's going to happen to America? But
I got to tell you, man, you look at the
Charlie Kirks and some of the other things that he's inspired,
and the other folks and stuff like that. And and
(08:44):
I'm not bragging on me as a parent, because it's
it's not me. I mean, it's these kids. I got hope, man,
I got hope for that next generation.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Well, George, the connection is and you may have known this,
but Charlie Kirk himself wasn't Eagle.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Song, so I didn't know that. Yes, oh my good,
did not know that.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
So that dovetails nicely right in. And I love how
Jeff's the stoic one. You're kind of breaking up your
very emotions.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Hey, hanging there, He'll be all right. Trey is even
Trey is even more like at one point I was
on the radio with Trey saying the same thing, Ha'm
really proud of you, I love you, all this other stuff,
long silence, and Trey comes back with thanks. I'm like, well,
you know, I didn't. I didn't raise him to be criers.
But you know, they're just great kids. I'm glad I
(09:30):
got a chance to get.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
A little bit more nostalgic. You get to your age
in mind, George, you know, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I mean, look, I've told them my goal for you,
like everyone else in America, I hope their goal for
their kids is to overachieve what they've done. So for me,
I've failed at we Belows like I bailed out at
we Belows, and these kids I got after today fingers crossed.
Three of the four will be Eagles, and Graham is
(09:55):
a life scout. He'll be on the path. He just
needs to get the rest of the badges and the project,
and I'm thrilled for that, and I want them to
be able to go through the like my dad had
to work all the way through college, right I didn't.
I had an ROTC scholarship, but I needed that to
go to college. None of these kids, based on the
things that we did growing up financially, none of these
(10:18):
kids have to get a scholarship or have to do
ROTC to get their college paid for. That to me
is the American dream. The next generation just keeps getting
into a better position, and I just want to keep
that going. But also the expectations are bigger. So the
expectations for these kids are. You got a lot more
opportunities to do good, And my hope as you do
just that. You know, Yeah, hey, listen, when we come back,
(10:40):
I do want to talk to you about the Charlie
Kirk thing. I have been off the radio the entire time.
I don't know if you guys remember this, but it
was the Sheriff and the DA Show right before Charlie
Kirk got assassinated, and so I haven't had any opportunity
to chat with you about it. I want to do that.
I want to talk about what I thought to be
the most inspiration all and yet for me, insurmountable hill
(11:03):
to climb, and that was one of the quotes we'll
play when we come back. And then I want to
talk to you about some things that have had his
thoughts growing at us and get your feedback on it.
But you got to stick around for that. Here's what
we can do, though. You can text us right here
on the show. If you fire up five seven seven
three nine five seven seven three nine, just type in
Dan so it make sure it gets to us in
(11:24):
some way. And then we also have a phone number,
and that number is zero. I can never remember it.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Three zero three three zero three seven one seven three
eighty two fifty five eighty two fifty five until we
come back. I'm George Brockler, I'm the Dan Capla Show.
And now back to the dankapla show podcast the Mountain,
that's it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I don't know how you found this man that quickly
just based off This is George Brockler filling it for
Dan Caple's until Dan joins us Ryan Schruling the master
behind the glass there find I think that Paul Simon
song from which that mine came from.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
That was a high level of difficulty. I was talking
to Kelly behind. I'm like George dropped the lyric, but
I don't recognize that boom. This was a kind of
a deep poll by you Simon's table.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
That's right. I'm a big Paul Simon fan. Ob Hey,
listen my thanks to my son Jeff. I don't know
if he's listening anymore. I'm sure this is his go
to show as he drives around town at age eighteen,
but I wanted to read some fantastic texts. You guys
are so great, says Eagles, Your sons Charlie Kirk, Me
and mutual friend Chris Sherry. By the way, pretty sure
(12:35):
I know Chris, who received his at the same ceremony
as me. I'm humbled to be among people like that
left handed handshake. That's, of course, of reference to Scout handshake.
Congrats to your son. My son is thirty two, got
his Eagle Scout just before timing out. That's a big deal, man,
because eighteen years old in one day and you're done.
There isn't it doesn't matter how close you are, you
don't get it. Man.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
I just want to let you know that Haley made
it to Brownies and then I didn't like any of
the moms.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
That were there.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
You know what I appreciate is that I basically, you know,
I told her upright one day, I'm like, do you
really want to go to Brownie's and sell all these
cookies and crap? And I really honestly don't like any
of the mothers. And she goes shocking, I don't like
(13:27):
any of the girls.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I'm going, okay, she doesn't like any women. Well that
is uh. I appreciate it. It was mom's relationships with
the other mothers that sort of led the led the
departure from the scouting world. But I get it. I
understand you got to really like the parents too, because
you're with them for a long long time. Here's another one.
What a great kid you have in Jeff. I can
hear it in his voice that he will be a
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judge someday. He probably just chortled if he heard that.
Jeff is really big into the tech stuff, the computer
stuff and game design. That's his big thing, and a
damn one. Thank you, George. Here's when I met you
at crime Con. I listened to the talks about Combine
High School in the Aurora theater. Thing I did do that.
I never would have guessed that. Sadly, within a couple
(14:10):
of weeks we would have had another Colorado school shooting.
That's true, man, That Evergreen one still haunts me. I
need to know more about what happened there. As a
former scout master who never attained the rank of Eagle Scout,
I was always always humbled by the work the boys
put in too become an Eagle. You should be damn
proud of that kid. He's worked his butt off. In congratulations,
you deserve to be about to be a proud papa.
(14:32):
I'm already proud, and he hasn't worked his entire butt off.
There's been a lot. There's still some left back there. Jeff,
if you're listening, we got to hit the gym again.
I'm an Eagle scout too. For the last forty nine years.
Once an eagle, always an eagle. I'm truly impressed by
your son achieving that rank. Kudos to your son. And then,
of course, our buddy Alexa went full on Spanish Jorge
stan la casa, which I believe is George has pretty feet.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
But thank you for that, Alexa. That's not it. No,
that means George is in the house.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Are you sure? I am very sure. I feel like Anchorman,
agree to disagree, like, doesn't it mean sant Diego? No, No,
that's not it at all. Anyway, Jeff, congratulations, man, go kick,
but do the great stuff that you do. You're gonna
be fantastic. I wanted to shift gears a little bit here,
this Charlie Kirk thing that took place. I want to
(15:22):
talk about some hot take stuff on this stuff that
I haven't heard people talk about, but I think about
as a prosecutor, and I also think about from the
standpoint of just a regular old citizen, and that is
this if you can take yourself out of the Charlie
Kirk piece. And Charlie Kirk was a huge influential person
person for a lot of people. But I ran into
(15:43):
people in my own office who when we were putting
all this stuff on TV, we had it going on
in the office, all the live updates. They would come
by and be like, who's Charlie Kirk? And I thought
to myself, these are educated people in the criminal justice world.
This just isn't their band into politics. Like they just don't.
They don't listen to him, they don't know him. He's
not in their Twitter feed or whatever it is. And
(16:05):
that made me ask the question, would the federal government
have taken this same all hands on deck, throw every
bit of tax money possible at solving this as quickly
as they did if it had been someone else, I mean, honestly,
And again, he's not an elected official, right, It's not
(16:28):
like he's a congressman. You can't use the example of
an AOC or something like that had she been. And
I'm not asking for any of these people to be heard.
I'm just using them as an example for this. But
let's take someone like a Taylor Swift. And again, I
want no harm to come to Taylor Swift. Ever, I
don't I have nothing against her. I'm saying, most popular
pop culture person on the planet Earth. There is no
(16:48):
close second. I just think that's undeniable. If someone at
a concert had somehow done something like this, would the
government's response have been the same? I don't know. I mean, Ryan,
do you think that we would have seen every member
of the FBI mobilized and the FBI director out there?
(17:12):
And maybe the answers yes, But I ask myself, but
for the fact that Charlie Kirk was who he was
to this administration and to these people, would we have
seen the same outcome?
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Outcome or like you said, resource, let's say the effort. Well, yeah,
I think there was. There's no denying there was an
expedited urgency of getting to the bottom of this and
doing it as quickly as possible. Because of who Charlie
Kirk was. I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that.
I would hope, though, to your point, George, that it
was any political figure, and I mean anybody on the left,
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because we're different from them, that there would be the
same kind of robust resources dedicated and that we would
get to the bottom of it, because political violence is
not an acceptable means to an end in this country.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
But that's me. Well, I agree with you that if
the basis for this was to tack call political violence,
then I would say, yes, I want it to be
across the board. Now you can't really analogize it as
some on the left had done to the state senator
from Michigan and her husband. Who's Michigan right? Or was
it Minnesota? Minnesota? I'm sorry and it was one of
(18:17):
the m states that got murdered in there. But you
made the same mistake to Montell Williamston. Oh great me
and Montell brothers from another mother he when we come back,
I want to ask your opinion. Do you think we'd
have seen the same thing had this occurred to someone
on the left and pick whoever you want. Was this
the response we were always going to have? Or is
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it because of Charlie three or three seven, three eighty
two fifty five George Brockler filling in the Dan Capla show.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. George Brockler
filling in for Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
We've been talking a little bit about the Charlie Kirk thing,
just starting to and I had asked the question, do
you think that if it was anybody else that they
would have gotten the same priority in terms of solving
their crime catching their killer that Charlie Kirk got And
what struck me about it, in part was Cash Pattel,
(19:15):
who's the director of the FBI, him coming out and
professing his friendship with Charlie. I'm friends with Charlie. Charlie's
a friend all of these other members of the administration,
and it makes me wonder, what if you're not the
administration's friend, What if you're not Cash Ptel's friend. What
if you're on the other side of the political spectrum
and this happens. I don't have a good example of
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who that is because there is nobody like Charlie Kirk
on the other side. There just isn't. And you can't
say it's the same thing as if like an AOC
or Bernie Sanders were assassinated, which I would never ever
want because they're elected officials. That's an attack on our government.
That is different. And I just don't know the answer
to that. But maybe to help us with that, and
you give us a call it three zho three seven
(19:57):
one three eighty two fifty five is Ralph from Denver.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Ralph.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
What do you think, man, Well, what I'm thinking is
there isn't anybody on either side, politician or otherwise that
could have effectively brought the country together as Charlie did. Now,
I barely knew about Charlie. I barely knew about him,
but I understand what he's done for this country, and
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rightn't anybody, including President Trump, and I'm an avid supporter
and contributor to President Trump, he couldn't have done done.
He could not have done as good a job of
bringing the country together as Charlie did. For one thing,
nobody on the left would have listened to him if
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he said exactly the same thing in exactly the same way.
None of the news media can possibly step up with
the same the same rhetoric and the same and the
same endorsements in the same heartfelt motion. Nobody. I don't
know if anybody. And I'm listening to news all the time,
(21:04):
Fox everybody, and don't listen to them all all the time.
And a politician, don't even politicians worry about how they're
going to get get elected to the next position. Of
them don't have the enthusiasm that Charlie had. Maybe ninety
five percent don't have that enthusiasm. And on the Democratic side.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Break Ralph. There's Ralph there's no doubt that Charlie Kirk
was unique. I don't know if anybody else like him
in my lifetime. That part is true. But when you
sit back and think about how massive and overwhelming the
law enforcement response was in terms of catching this guy
and pursuing him and all this other stuff, do you
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think that same level of commitment, those same resources would
have been brought to bear had it been someone not
Charlie Kirk, had it been some other private citizen, but
someone who wielded similar kind of influence. And that's hard
to find because there is nobody on the left like that.
But can you imagine them doing that? Or do you
think this was this was just totally normal.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
No, I think this was a little above normal. But
he was abnormal. I mean he was justified in doing
what he did, or or the rewards are justified, and
the the activity involved in bringing justice to this guy
(22:36):
is in fact justified. If the President of the United
States was actually killed, you'd have as much I don't
think you'd have as much angst. And the reason is because.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Really you don't think so. Even if it was the president,
you think there would be less angst than Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Now, yes, yes, I do. And the reason is because
it's simple. Charlie Kirk brought both sides of the of
the politicians together at the same time. That would not
have been brought together if it wasn't for him, If
it was for another politician doing exactly the exactly the
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same titles, see the exact same burbish, the exact same topics,
the exact same everything. It was enough. If it was
another side of the politician politician spectrum, it would not
have had the same impact. Absolutely with god.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Ralph, that is an interesting point. By the way, thank
you for getting us kicked off on the phone call.
That is an interesting point to leave off with, and
thank you for that call. Ralph's point is the assassination
of Charlie Kirk bigger in terms of impact and the
amount of answer creates than the assassination if it had
happened of President Trump. I, Ralph, I don't think think
(24:00):
I agree, respectfully. And I say that because President Trump,
whether or not he was as good a communicator as Charlie,
and whether or not he brought certain people together, and
I'm not so sure Charlie Kirk brought a lot of
people together. On the political spectrum. I think his great
strength was in giving voice to a lot of the
values and principles that our generation and frankly the next
(24:21):
generation had, and giving them the courage to step forward
and voice those things. But having said that, the assassination
of a member of government is an attack on our government,
a direct attack on our government, and I think we
would have to have overwhelming response in that way. But
we didn't with a private citizen, even if that private
citizen turns out to be one of the most influential
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people out there. And if you look at these texts
at five seven seven three nine, put Dan in there.
Five seven seven three nine, here's a couple of Democrats
are the enemy of the United States. So I don't care.
That's one not super helpful. But there's two more here.
I want to read to you. This one. I think
that this FBI would have reacted as quickly as they
did if it was Taylor Swift. What is in saying
as how little we know about Thomas Crooks? Fourteen months
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later he tried to assassinate the president. Also, Biden had
his FBI devote or I'm sorry, devote extensive resources to
find every person who entered the Capitol on j six,
even if they did nothing else. Yet they could not
find the person who left bombs on January fifth, twenty
one or I was going to say this if this
person didn't who left cocaine in the White House. It's
a great point. Biden's FBI also was investigating Charlie Kirk
(25:25):
after Trump won in twenty twenty four. Charlie said he
was thankful because now he would not be thrown in
jail by Biden's FBI. That's Alexa, another one that takes
the opposite of you. The response wouldn't be the same
because the left is the left is not about supporting
this country nor the constitution. All you have to do
is listen to the left media and they have your answer.
(25:47):
Another tax, George, what can be done about our Antifa
council members if they admit to being a terrorist. Different issue.
We could get to that, And then another one here.
I can't imagine they would have flown a liberal or
Trump foe on Air two, and given all the other
pomp and circumstance they gave to Charlie Kirk. That's another
great point. This guy received the kind of treatment that
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the head of state or an appointed or elected official
would receive. And yet he was, and I'm using this gently,
just a private citizen. He was just a private citizen
who had done great things with the area that he
was carving out in politics, no doubt about it. And
I just wonder, though, if we would do that for
someone else who didn't have the connections to the White House,
(26:31):
who didn't have the connections to the FBI director. And
this is what I'm getting to. Shouldn't government's response be
free of those entanglements. Shouldn't the response be the same
whether you're friends with the person or not. As the
district attorney, if a good friend of mine were to
be murdered, it would make more sense for me to
(26:51):
get a special prosecutor, let's say, to handle that case
than for me to take it on, because I think
the public would rightly call into question my motivation. Am
I just trying to seek justice? Or is it a
justice tempered by my affinity and my affiliation with this person?
And I worry about things like that. I worry about it,
and we'll cut to a break here in a minute.
I worry about a couple things like this too, Like
(27:13):
when Director Patel came out and my god, he vomited
up a lot of facts on this case in a
way that you just don't see in any other setting.
In fact, I think it was Megan Kelly who I
listened to. I like Megan, I'm a fan. Megan Kelly
had said, when have you seen the FBI ever come
out and give this much information after an arrest? And
(27:35):
she said it as a compliment, like this is about transparency. No,
the reason the FBI doesn't do it is because you
can't poison the well in a prosecution or a potential
jury selection in the future by dumping all the facts
out into the public stream. And yet that's what's happened here.
There's very little we don't know about this guy, and
(27:56):
it makes me wonder are we going to be able
to secure just that is deserved here? Justice for Charlie
Kirk and justice for his family? Are we going to
be able to secure that here? And I'll talk to
you about my concerns about this. I also want to
play this clip blown Away by Erica Kirk. I mean,
her heart, her faith, her commitment, They just and just
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blow me away. Look our text line five seven seven
three nine keeps sending them. Man, I'll read them as
I can on here, but also give us a call.
Three h three seven and three eighty two fifty five
three zero three seven one three eight two double Nickel
fifty five. George Brockler, be right back on the Dan
Kampla Show. And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
(28:38):
That is the great sounds of Sarah McLaughlin, who I
don't think she's a conservative, Kelly, No, No, I think
she might actually be left of center ballpark. Yes here
that is in relation to an article that Ryan found
that he sent to me that it's called amid the
backlash to Kimmel's suspension. Sarah McLaughlin says performances at lil
(28:59):
Fair documentary debut canceled in support of free speech, and
nothing says I support free speech like canceling your own.
I am a I'm actually a fan of her music.
I mean, I love listening to the music and stuff.
But I've never once thought to myself, could she be
a Republican. There's never been that moment. But she does
(29:20):
have a very very lovely voice. Listen to George Brockler
filling in for Dan Kaplis I'm gonna be here until
either Dan comes in or they shut us down. That
could be at any time, could be either, or could
be either, or could be at the same time. Here's
some more textan of coming at five seven seven three nine. Congratulations,
said Jeff ahead of time. I know you're a proud dad.
Charlie Kirk was an amazing young man. He definitely had
influence behind the scenes in the White House. If he
(29:42):
brought one person to Christianity, he should be celebrated. I
think he did a lot more. That's Laura from Parker.
Trump administration is following the rule of law, whereas the
Hussein oh bite me the rest of it would have
swept Charlie's murder out of recorded history with the help
from the clown show media and you you know it.
Argue with me. Here's another one. That's why Charlie's death
(30:03):
impacted so many people, so much deeper than if a
politician were killed. Listen, Maybe I just don't think that
law enforcement's response to a murder should be predicated on
how important that person was. That doesn't feel like our
form of justice. It feels like if someone assassinated anyone,
(30:24):
that the efforts ought to be pretty similar. Now, the
part that gives me a little bit of pause, and
that is a part that Ryan talked about that I
agree with, and that is this was a politically motivated
assassination of a figure who had a pretty large bit.
I understand that, but let me give it to you
in these terms. Two. FBI right now has one of
the best labs on the planet Earth. They do a
(30:45):
ton of DNA, including on local cases. Heck, we have
cases where they have some of our DNA. Those things
don't get processed in six hours, twelve hours, twenty four
hours a week, a month. It takes months for them
to process this. So whether it's an unsolved case or
appending prosecution, there are my guess is hundreds of DNA
(31:06):
samples that are sitting there on shelves if that's where
they keep them at the FBI lab at Quantico, waiting
to be processed. And my best guess is don't know
the answer. Best guess is that all of those were
delayed so that they could rush through the DNA analysis
on this case, so that the director of the FBI
could say stuff he's not permitted to say by DOJ policy,
(31:29):
by FBI policy, and by rules governing the Department of
Justice attorneys, and that is to say, we found the
guy's DNA on a screwdriver up on the roof. You
just don't get to say stuff like that. Does the
public have an interest in knowing? Yes they do. Do
they have a right to know? Not at that point
in time, No, they don't. And this is what gets
(31:50):
me to a little bit of pause here with our
director of the FBI. And I'm happy to talk in
the next hour about this, but also about some of
the comments of the Attorney General. Look, I'm fans of
what we're trying to do with law enforcement. I'm fans
of it. But when you're the FBI director and you're
holding daily, if not hourly, press conferences where you're spilling
out more investigative facts after the dude has been apprehended,
(32:13):
I feel differently. If what you're putting out there is
this is what he looks like, this is where he
might be, this is where he might have all those
things are important. But after the fact, when you start
putting out things like, oh, dude, is he's got a
transgender roommate, why is that fact relevant to the prosecution
in this case? In a way that the public ought
(32:33):
to know about it before it's presented in court. So,
as a prosecutor, and I realize I have a different
brain than most people because of what we do. I
get concerned that we put enough in the public stream
that some judge, and it's probably not a judge in Utah,
but some judge, maybe even an appellate judge, says, wait
a minute, Wait a minute. You can't just say due process.
(32:55):
You actually have to enforce due process by making sure
you create an environment or keep from creating a negative
environment where you can't get a fair jury. So at
this point, now you're gonna have jurors. My guess there
isn't anybody that could be a juror on this case
that won't have heard dude's got a transgender love interest roommate.
Dude wrote a whole bunch of crazy things on the bullets.
(33:18):
Dude had his DNA on a screwdriver, a DNA on
the rifle, a DNA on the bullets, all this other stuff.
You know, he largely confessed. The FBI director said that
you just can't do that. You can't do that because
we don't try cases in the public eye. And what
frustrates me is to hear people like Cash Patil say
(33:39):
this is all about we're gonna be transparent. No, you're not.
You cannot be transparent by trying a case in public.
And it frustrates me to hear someone who I'm a
big fan of, Megan Kelly, who's an attorney, echo that
and say I really appreciate their level of transparency. They're
saying things no FBI has ever said before, and I'm
like that that's right, because we can't do it. What
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concern is this this time? It's the Charlie Kirk killer.
But you and I both know this administration is going
to change hands at some point and there's going to
be a new FBI director and a new United States
Attorney General, and this time the person may be someone
else that we don't think ought to be targeted or
we don't think may be guilty. But if they dump
all this stuff out into the public stream, what are
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their chances of a fair trial? And at the end
of the day, our American criminal justice system is not
an outcome driven system. It is a processed driven system.
The ends do not justify the means. The means justify
the ends. Three or three seven one, three eighty two
fifty five. I'll be with you for well till Dan
(34:43):
comes back, or they shut us down at six o'clock
five seven, seven, three nine. Lots of texts coming in
and I'll read those. You stick around. My name is
George Brockler. This is the Dan Kapla Show.
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