September 15, 2025 • 35 mins
Heidi Ganahl, founder of Rocky Mountain Voice fills in for Dan and discusses with Ryan the ripple effect Charlie Kirk's life and legacy will have on American politics for young people across the country.
Beverly Kingston, Director of Center for Study, Prevention of Violence at CU-Boulder, joins Heidi to discuss reaction to the Evergreen High School shooting and how we can better prepare for the next nefarious plot to harm students.
Beverly Kingston, Director of Center for Study, Prevention of Violence at CU-Boulder, joins Heidi to discuss reaction to the Evergreen High School shooting and how we can better prepare for the next nefarious plot to harm students.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Well, hello everyone, it's Heidigan All filling in for Dan
Kaplis on this Monday. And boy, Ryan, you had a
big show talking a lot about Charlie Kirk and all
the vitriol out there in the world. It's unbelievable to
me how negative some people are being, and there's also
a lot of people being wonderful. We had an incredible
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memorial service yesterday with Brave Church at their two locations.
Myself and Jeff Hunt and Victor Marx and tons of
other people worked hard to put this together.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Over three days.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We had over five thousand people attend those two services,
and then it was online as well with I don't
even know the numbers there, but it was just it
was really good food.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
For the soul.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It counteracts a lot of that negativity. But tell me
a little bit more about what you talked about on
your show.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Well, it's just that it's what has happened over these
days since when people have had time to process it,
to absorb what happened, and still it seems surreal to
people like you and me that it actually happened at all,
but just this visceral, vitriolic, venomous reaction. I know there's
a lot of alliteration there in those vivs, but from
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the left of people. And this was my postulate, was
that there is a darkness that is a large element
of the left, that is a larger element of the
left than I ever.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Imagined it to be.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
But it revealed itself over these last several days in
the really demonic responses. I'm not going to hold back anymore.
I think this is part of what I learned and
where I have evolved in my thought process since Charlie's murder,
his assassination, is that we can't molly coddle these types anymore.
They need to be called out for who they are,
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for what they are, for what they're not, which is
decent human beings. And these are people that subscribe to
a darkness in my view, that is born out of godlessness.
And I'm not saying it to be super religious, but
you have to have some kind of ethos some kind
of north star that guide your principles, that guide your conscience.
And what I am seeing, Heidi, is a consciousness lists
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response to this. And I will back that up by
just citing one of my very good friends, and I'll
go ahead and name call him here because there's not
a lot of people in our audience who know him,
but he's a very highly respected country music DJ from
my home state of Michigan. I was roommates with him
in college. He's not very political. He's a bridge builder,
and he's very much a somebody that brings people together.
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And he just posted on Facebook how many people he's
unfriended on that platform.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
He's no arch conservative, he's not you or me.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
He's not a lot of our listeners out there, but
some of these responsive have disgusted somebody like him so
much to that degree that he said before that happened,
the Charlie Kirk assassination, he might he could count on
one hand in the number of people that he's unfriended,
and now it's dozens dozens.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
By wow, Well, I know jd Vance took over Charlie
Kirk's podcast today and I was looking through the posts
and this one caught my eye.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
JD.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Vance went off on people who are calling for unity
with radical leftists. There is no unity, he says, with
people who scream at children over their parents' politics. There
is no unity with someone who lies about what Charlie
Kirk said in order to excuse his murder.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
You want to hear that, Yeah, I got it right here.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
There is no unity with people who scream at children
over their parents' politics.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
There is no unity with.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Someone who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order
to excuse his murder.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
There is no.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Unity with someone who harasses an innocent family the day
after the father of that family lost.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
A dear friend.
Speaker 8 (04:01):
There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie
Kirk's assassination.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
And there is no unity with the people who fund.
Speaker 8 (04:09):
These articles, who pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers,
who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband and father,
deserved a shot to the neck because he spoke words.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
With which they disagree. Did you know that the.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
George Soros Open Society Foundation and the Ford Foundation, the
groups who funded that disgusting article justifying Charlie's death, Do
you know they benefit from generous tax treatment.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
They are literally subsidized by you and me, the American taxpayer.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
And how do they reward us by setting fire to
the house built by the American family over two hundred
and fifty years. I'm desperate for our country to be
united in condendation of the actions and the ideas that
killed my friend.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
I want it so badly that I will tell you
a difficult truth.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
We can only have it with people who acknowledge that
political violence is unacceptable, and when we work to dismantle
the institutions that promote violence and terrorism in our own country.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
God bless JD for being so bold and saying what
we're all thinking, and not being afraid of what the
political ramifications are.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Going to be of him going after the left.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And I'm watching the CNN screen right now and it
says Trump repeatedly claims political violence comes from the left.
And I'm sorry, it's not a claim, it's the truth
fact check true.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I'm tired of thinking around on this, like, how are
we reacting to what happened. We're going to church, we're
having prayer vigils, we're having memorial services. We aren't burning
the dang city down, or you know, causing all heck
to break loose in our neighborhoods. I mean, it's just
it's so stark the difference. It's just shocking to me
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that the left can't see what's right in front of
their face.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I don't ryan, I'm just I'm fed up.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Like I've been so sad the last few days, and
I've cried so many tears.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
But now I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Getting mad and I'm getting upset, and I want to
turn my anger and my sadness and frustration into action.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And so, as I spoke at the event.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yesterday and the one last night, and I'm going to
speak at another one later this week, I'm going to say,
here's the plan. We've got over six hundred high schools
in this state. We've got I don't know how many
college campuses there are, I think fifteen Turning Point high
school chapters so far this year. We're opening a ton more.
They've I think they're opening six more in the next
few days. Out of Charlie's death. And we have six
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hundred high schools, Let's open a Turning Point chapter on
every single flip in high school campus in this state.
Do you know that they've received over thirty seven thousand
in student requests to help. On the Turning Point website,
thirty seven thousand students have reached out to say I
want to be a part of the solution. I want
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to be part of fixing free speech in this country,
and I want to be a part of Charlie Kirk's legacy.
And that's what I'm going to spend a lot of
my free time doing over the next school year is
helping every student who wants to start a chapter on
these high schools get it done. And I know there's
going to be a lot of pushback from the administration.
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There already has been. I've been helping them for a
couple of years and I'm not going to tolerate it.
I Am not going to tolerate I'm a public about it,
and I am going to hold their feet to the
fire to help these students get their chapters open.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
It's that response too, Heidi. You know where do you
channel your anger, your frustration. You're feeling maybe of hopelessness
in the wake of this, that there are dark elements,
as I mentioned, that would prefer that we retreat to
our corners and have this sense of fear that will
prevent us from doing what Charlie was doing.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
But no, but no, it's been the exact opposite.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
When you saw Erica Kirk and her powerful message on
Friday night and what she planned to do, which was
much along the lines of what you're saying that you're
planning to do through turning Point, they have created I
call it, and it's a little bit humorous, but I
think Charlie might appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
It's like Obi.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Wan Kenobi in the original Star Wars when he warns
Darth Vader, if you strike me down, I will become
more powerful than you can possibly imagine. And that is
exactly what's happening with Charlie Kirk here.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And I mean the left better know that we are
not dancing around anymore. We are taking this seriously. No
one's like sitting at home fretting about what to do.
Everybody is aligned, We're working together. I've never seen so
much collaboration and unity around what we need to do
on the right, and that is help our young people
find their voice, stand strong, open these chapters, and make
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sure that they feel safe while they're doing it.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And that's up to us, the grownups.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And we've got to make sure that we're doing everything
possible to prevent the Left from hurting any of our
children or people involved in turning point any speakers.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
So one of the things we're going.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
To do too, Jeff Hout and I talked about that
is create a fund with some donors, a safety fund,
so that when the kids speak up or do events,
we're going to have.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Armed security there.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
We're going to have professional security there to make them
feel safe and to make sure that the left knows that.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
We are darn serious about this.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
All right, it's time for a break, but I'm going
to come back just as fired up, and we're going
to talk school safety and what's going on at Evergreen.
We're going to talk more about JD. Vance and so
much more. This is how you get all filling in
for Dan Caplis.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 9 (09:48):
You need conservatives to be afraid of getting killed when
they go to events, so that they look to their
leadership to turn down the temperature. The issue is right now,
they don't feel like there's any fear, like I don't know,
I don't know. It's like memes. It just means to everybody,
I guess. I don't know, Bro, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I don't care.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
I'm playing video games.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Okay, I'm done today.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
I don't care.
Speaker 9 (10:08):
God, I'm it's gonna be so gay if I got
killed in the next two months of I'm doing well.
The cucked out here. Please, don't anybody make any actual
the most cucked weak ass both gass speeches on my side. God,
if it happens, Holy shit, I'm gonna make a death
note before I go out to go live and not. God,
it's so cooked, It's so optics cooked.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Wow, wow, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That I mean that encapsulizes what we're hearing, and it
reminds me of a phone call I got from my
mom on I think it was Thursday, and we were
all in shock, and she's like, Hi, do you gotta stop,
Like you guys have to stop doing politics.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
This is not cool. I'm your mom, and I know
that you like being bold and.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Brave and doing the political thing, but you've got your
daughters doing it like this is scary. And I was like, Mom,
you and dad are the ones that raised me this money.
I could say my blood, my DNA, but I totally
get it. And it's been just haunting me over the
last few days, like, how do I encourage all these
young people to go out and be bold and.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Brave when there's lunatics like that who say that.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
We should be hurting conservatives who speak to influence them
so that they don't want to speak anymore. Well, we
had Reagan Harris on the show last week, and she's
an eighth grader, she's thirteen years old, and she got
up on Sunday and spoke at the memorial and did
an amazing job. Reagan did a fantastic job. She's so brave,
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and part of me was just like, gosh, do I
keep encouraging these young uns? That's the mom in me,
but the fighter in me and the friend of Charlie
and me, and the person who loves this country so
much just wants.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
To go to war with these people.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And to your point earlier, and like, just it's we've
got to be intolerant of this stuff and stay strong
and keep going.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Is that how you feel? Are you fearful at all?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Believe me, I've had some thoughts and I discussed this
with Steven L. Miller, who makes his residence here in Colorado,
and he's known as Red Ste's on x He's one
of the most influential voices on that platform. He hosts
a podcast called versus Media. Very smart guy, very bright guy.
And I turned to him during times like this, because
what does it mean in this sphere, In this space,
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I don't operate out of fear. You know, I go
about in public. I live my life. I'm not gonna
stop doing that. But did I have some second thoughts
after what happened to Charlie? You bet I did, because
you just don't know. It only takes one lunatic at
the wrong time, and what we saw happen on Wednesday
can happened to any one of us that are in
that sphere.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
And I understand what your mom is saying to you.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
But the problem is that's exactly what those lunatics want
us to do, is to be silenced, to shut up,
to be fearful, to be afraid because they don't have
good ideas. If they had good ideas, their ideas would
win out.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
But they don't.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
So they have to silence at Charlie Kirk, they have
to threaten violence, they have to burn down a memorial
in Loveland. And this is what I'm talking about. All
of this, and I'm not even going to hesitate saying
it anymore. This both sides crap needs to go away.
They cite, I see the liberal talking points, what happened
to the legislators in Minnesota. Yeah, that was terrible, and
nobody on the right was celebrating it, You lunatics. And
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there's so many people on the left right now that
are either soft serving this kind of quasi endorsement of
Charlie Kirk's assassination or outright celebrating it. On the left,
we're talking educators, people in the health industry, people working
in the government, people working in our apartment of wars.
It's now called that they feel embolden and empowered to
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come right out and say, yeah, Charlie Kirk had it coming,
and you should lose your job. If you're that depraved,
I don't want you working for me, I don't want
you working with me. I don't want you on my
Facebook page. You're not a friend of mine. You're not
a rational human with humanity of any kind. Because if
this happened, and again we cite these examples on the
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what about the guy that took the hammer to Paul Pelosi?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
First of all, that guy was a lunatic, he had schizophreny.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
He was like out of his mind at the time,
and no illegal alien from Canada lived in a van hammered.
He was out of his mind, like you said. And again,
nobody on the right was saying that was a good thing.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Now I did. There were some reactions where there were.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Jokes being made about Paul Pelosi that I didn't like,
and I called him out at the time, and it's
not right. And as much as I might disagree with
Nancy Pelosi or Paul or whatever, all indications are, he's
a good guy. And even if he wasn't, that's not
the answer political violence. Nor would I ever endorse or
condone it, nor would you, nor I hope would anybody
in our audience, And if it did happen on our side,
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of course we're going to come out and condemn it
and not celebrate it. There are so many Heidi we
have seen over these last days that are out there
on social media. They're not even afraid that they're not
even trying to hide it anymore, and they've revealed themselves
to be the demons.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
They are so ryan.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I'm looking at some of the text messages coming in
this one is pretty appropriate, Heidi. Did this behavior become
normalized in twenty twenty during the George Floyd riots, progressives
were embolded in boldened to insult and assault conservatives.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I think we did see some of that, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I do think that was a tipping point.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And it was like we were shunned or like vullified
if we tried to say, wait a minute, guys, this
isn't like the best way to approach this.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
No, you will not say anything. You will allow it
and be silent.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
You know, it was the summer of love, Oh my
chez and chop and burning down federal court buildings, and
and then we didn't have to wear masks anymore because
doctor Fauci assured us that was a good cause. The virus,
you know, it doesn't spread when people are justifiably demonstrating
against murderous police and you know, rallying for George Floyd.
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That's when I knew the whole COVID thing was a sham.
If doctor Fauci and all these medical experts six feet
distancing gotta wear a mask and nobody in these riots
were doing that.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Well, it's a pretty justifiable cause. In COVID.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
You got to understand, this virus has a brain, and
it understands that this is a cause. So they're not
going to infect anybody. This is what we were being told
and fed and pedaled.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
That was so nonsensical.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
And you know who led that effort, Jared Polus, Jared
Pauls apologized for all of like he was not hardcore
on that front at all, Like talk about safety and
public safety in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
He's such augh it just drives me nuts.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And the Democrats all just fall in line right behind
him because he's the guy with the money, so whatever
he says goes.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
When I was a CIO regent.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
For those six years twenty sixteen to twenty twenty two,
obviously twenty twenty was smack in the middle of that.
I mean early on in that regent time frame sixteen
seventeen eighteen, conservatives were incredibly scared of bringing anybody to
campus or you know, so having a controversial speaker. When
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we did have controversial speakers, Oh my gosh, the amount
of security that we were required to pay for, which
ended up being I don't know if it's illegal or
against the policy, but we did push back and they
had to charge us the same as the liberal speakers
that were coming, but they had all these passive aggressive
ways to prevent conservative speakers from coming on campus. I
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spent most of my time defending conservative kids and faculty
from the viciousness of mostly the other students. It wasn't
even the other faculty, the our administration. It was other
students who were just bullies. And one of the people
who spoke yesterday was Ashley Mayor, who's a friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
She was the head of the Turning Point chapter at CU.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Boulder for three semesters while I was a regent, and
I love that girl.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
She's just bold and brave.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
She was on the show last week too, and she
was in the in a classroom and they were talking
about wage gaps, and so she asked the teacher if
she could play a prager you video about wage gaps
and how it's a myth, and they didn't let her
do it for several months. But the thing that happened
was the other students in the class meeters feel so
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uncomfortable and bullied her to the point where she didn't
feel comfortable in her class anymore. And she is a
brave girl, you know, so That's just one example of
so many. We could go on and on. When we
come back, we're going to have a friend of mine,
Beverly Kingston, on to talk about school safety in light
of what happened at Evergreen. This is Heidigan All filling
in for Dan Caples.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
You're listening to the Dankplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
This is Heidigan All filling in for Dan Caplis with
my friend Ryan Schuling, and we've been talking about the
vitriol and the just the horrible reaction to Charlie Kirk's
death from the left, and I think Ran and I
both believe it's not a two side thing. It's a
one side thing, and we're going to keep calling them
out for that. But we're going to shift gears a
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little bit to talk about school safety in light of
what happened the same day that Charlie was assassinated here
in Colorado, a terrible shooting on the Evergreen.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
High School campus.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
And in just a minute, I'll have Beverly, a friend
of mine who heads up a really important place at
see a Boulder that does a lot of research on
But I want to preface it by saying I've been.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Involved in school safety issues for a long time. I
was on Governor Hickenlooper's.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
School Safety and Youth and Crisis Committee back in twenty.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Sixteen, and we did nothing.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
We met for an entire year, hours and hours of meetings,
we were appointed by the governor, came up with lots
of ideas about legislation, and it ended without anything being done.
Then it sat there for three years, and then they
started another school safety committe and guess what, guys, nothing
was done.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Now this is since twenty sixteen. You go back even farther.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Sandy Hook was in twenty twelve, and it's been how
many years now, thirteen years since Sandy Hook, and really
nothing has changed much in the schools from my perspective
as someone who's been pretty involved and been trying to
get some things done on the school safety front in Colorado.
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As a governor Canada, I was going to do some
big moves on that front. I've talked to lots of
people in the legislature about ideas and research that we've
done on what might work, and most of it is
thanks to the amazing Beverly Kingston.
Speaker 10 (20:40):
BEV.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
We're so happy to have you on today to give
us some clarity around this topic.
Speaker 10 (20:47):
Thank you, Heidi, and thank you for all your work
in this area. I know we met way back in
twenty sixteen, I think when you were on that committee
or shortly after that, and I know you've been working
hard in this area as well well.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Thanks Beverly, tell us a little bit about your center
and what you're up to now. You do amazing work,
and not many people realize that you're at CU Boulder.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (21:12):
So I've been the director of the Center for the
Study and Prevention of Violence at the University of Colorado
Boulder for a while. So I started in twenty twelve,
and our center really focuses on bridging the gap between
research and practice so that the very best things that
we learn from research get into the hands of those
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who need the most. And we work with schools throughout
Colorado Nationally, we also have an international project. We work
with communities, and we also do a lot of projects
that are focused on evaluation. We really want to make
sure that what's happening and what's being funded, what's happening
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in our communities is based on, you know, what their
research shows work. So that's kind of what we're all.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
About so bev what does work? I mean, that's a
huge question.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
But after all you've been through, good is gracious, we're
all just like, what on earth.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
Do we do?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
No? I know?
Speaker 10 (22:17):
I mean the good news is we do know a
lot about what we can do, and I'm you know,
I'm happy to share a like a lot about that.
I also want to say it's not a simple quick fix,
and it's comprehensive, and it's it's at a lot of
different levels, and so I think that that can get
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you know, complicated, but it's still critical that we all
understand what that work is, what it looks like, and
what we each can do, how we can each do
our part to take action. So, yeah, you want me
to share a little bit about you know, what we
I mean, there was a time we didn't know what worked,
we didn't have evidence, and that isn't where we are today.
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Of course, there's more that could be learned, but if
we were to put into place what we do know,
you know, we estimate we could reduce violence by thirty percent. Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
All right, So what are some tactical things that you
that you would provide to a school principal or administrator
and say these are the top three things you need
to do right away or make sure that your school
is implemented.
Speaker 10 (23:27):
Yeah, so I think you know, when we're talking about
preventing so I'm going to talk about preventing mass shootings.
You know, when we're talking about that, we want one
of the most and critical things to do is to
make sure that that everybody knows what the warning signs
for violence are, that that they not only know what
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they are, but that they know what to do if
they come into contact through a peer, you know, through
a friend, through something online, that they know not only
you know, okay, I know what the sign is, but
I know I should tell a trusted adults and or
you know, make a report to safe to tell. So
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we want to make sure that that not only I
guess that they understand those things, but they also even
practice those and that that message is is reinforced. It's
not one of those one time you say it and
it's done. That needs to be continuously reinforced. So I
say that because in these shootings, most always there's warning
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signs that other people see, and so we want to
make sure that those warning signs, you know, get get
get seen and addressed. That's one part.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
That's part one.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Can I ask you a question, say something, Yeah, so
is this to see something?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Say something? Is a safe to Tell? How well is
safe to Tell working.
Speaker 10 (24:54):
Sal It's all of that, and you know there's not
one again, there's not one one thing. It's Safe to
Tell as a mechanism that definitely can be used and
has been used more and more every year, and that
is huge and.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Important tell people.
Speaker 10 (25:12):
So that, yeah, so, Safe to Tell is an is
an anonymous bystander reporting system that anybody can use. If
you see something that you're worried about that a kiddo's doing,
it could be even an adult, could be something in
your community. Anyone can can contact Safe to Tell and
that that will be It will be completely anonymous, and
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it will be followed up and it will go to
the appropriate place. And Safe to Tell has a law
enforcement component where everything will go through law enforcement. Law
enforcement won't always need to respond, but they will get
that information and so you know, if there's something concerning
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going on, it's likely that to Tell will get multiple
reports and they like that. They like getting multiple reports.
They're happy to have that happen. And then at the
school level, there's teams at each school or or districts
that will help respond, so it's not always a law
enforcement response. It may be something that the school principle,
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it's a bullying situation, the school principle of the family,
some school staff get involved with. But if it is
something really major that can you know, law enforcement can investigate.
If it's something made you know, maybe not super major,
but that could lead to behavioral to CREAD assessment being implemented.
So I think that that's just a really good tool
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that we all have. We also know that it's important
for young people and adults to everybody needs to know
what they want to do if they come across concerning behavior.
But that alone isn't good to be enough. We have
to make sure that our systems also know how to
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address that concerning behavior. And in a lot of these events, unfortunately,
as you know this too, Heidi, that there's sometimes information
the information sharing systems aren't effective, or you know, information
is shared, but it's not getting to all the people
that need it. So we want to make sure we've
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got really effective information and information sharing systems so that
if the situation does warrant doing a behavioral threat assessment,
that team is getting all a full picture of what's
happening in the life of that of that young person
that is getting that behavioral threat assessment.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Okay, so I really that kind.
Speaker 10 (27:47):
Of that system. We want all to work really well together.
And so I think that's a critical piece that we want,
you know, our schools to all be building cohesive systems
and acting upon hype.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Beverly, We've got to go to a break, but will
you stay on after so we can talk more about this.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
All right?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
This is Hidi Ganal filling in for Dan Caplis with
Beverly Kingston from CU Boulder.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
We'll be back after the break.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
And now back to the Dan Caplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
All right, this is Hidi Ganal filling in for Dan Caples.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Ryan's getting a little punch.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
He's playing Beverly Hills for you, Beverly as a guest
on the show. Very grateful to have you on. And
we don't have a long segment here. So I wanted
to address a couple of things. One is, can you
tell us if facility like physical things addressing the facilities
the school's works, And then can you tell us what
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you know about the Evergreen shooting and if there's any
updates on that front.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
A lot to pack in in seven minutes.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
Yeah, I think in terms of the physical security, you know,
I think it's really important that there's there's the locks
on the on the doors is something that you know,
we've seen some evidence that that's important. There's there. Unfortunately,
we don't have a lot of data on the physical
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security and what works and what doesn't. So the that's
just an area that you know, we could use more
concrete research, but we don't. We don't really have that,
So there's not a ton to say there.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
And then what about Yeah, what about arming staff?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I know that's a sticky wicket, but in a few
like thirty seconds, yay or nay or what you're feeling.
Speaker 10 (29:35):
Around that, Well, the thing is or having.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Armed security in the school I should say school resource office.
I mean.
Speaker 10 (29:45):
There's there's mixed find I mean sons speak of it.
From the research perspective, there's mixed findings in terms of
the school resource officers, and it's it's just because there's
I think why that is is because there's different levels
of training and so the studies that we've seen just
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ask whether or not there was an armed officer in
the schools, and those don't necessarily show that, you know,
positive results in terms of school safety. However, you know,
we've got a real strong partnership with the National Association
of School Resource Officers and really see great value in
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making sure that those school resource officers you know, go
through that rigorous training so that they you know, there's
there and they're able to support in terms of if
if something really horrible happens, but they're also able to
you know, be part of the whole school safety team
within it within a school. That there that there's a
(30:50):
real strong partnership between law enforcement and schools, and that
we know is is very powerful. When I was talking
earlier about the informatation sharing and the coordination between the systems,
that's that's a real important role for for school resource
officers to play. So I think, you know, as I said,
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the research is a little bit mixed, but we need
to do more and we you know, we really emphasize
making sure that the officers that work in schools are
trained to work to work with young people well.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And on that front, Van and we have a hard
stop in about four minutes. But Okay, I read an
article today that two Evergreen High school parent groups raised
concerns about the availability of school resource offers in the
hours before Wednesday's shooting that critically wounded two students. So
it is I mean, yeah, it's crazy, but it sounds
like the school is coming back.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
And agreeing to put a lot of resources into that school.
But what about the other schools then?
Speaker 10 (31:50):
I know, I know, I mean the thing is, there's
there's it's a it takes a lot of resources to
support these schools, and it's really important that we have
these in place. I mean, they will help to There's
not like, not one hundred percent guarantee, but if we
build these systems that we're talking about, it's going to
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be better. There's people are going to be able to
watch out for, you know, for concerning behavior. They're going
to be able to intervene. They're going to be able
to get young people help. What we want to do
is get that help at the earliest points possible so
it doesn't turn into a school shooting it does. You know,
it's help. The help happens way before this. But but
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we we need it at all the levels, you know,
because we're in a time when these things are happening.
You know, hopefully one day it's not going to be
like that, but today it is, and so we need
to make sure that we have all these different levels
of prevention and intervention.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
All right, bevery last question, is Colorado still worse than
other states when it comes to school shootings?
Speaker 10 (33:02):
You know, I haven't looked at the at the we're
Colorado rates. I have looked at that in the past,
but I haven't most recently. I do know that we
are trying hard in Colorado to you know, as you
know very well, to get better, to improve, and that
you know, I work very closely with the Office of
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School Safety and they have done so much incredible work
to roll out the Colorado Threat Assessment and Management Protocol
across the state. They're evaluating. We're helping to work with
them to evaluate that protocol to see that it's effective.
And you know, like I said, I can't say where
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the ranking is, but I do know that, you know,
the partners that we you know, we work very closely
worth with for so many years, care so much about this,
and you know we want to come together and make
it better.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Well, I know you're doing your best to do that.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
You've been working on this for so long, and I
have so much respect for you, Beverly.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Thank you for taking the time to come on, and thank.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
You so much for this invitation.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Oh, You're very welcome. Appreciate you. All Right, guys, we're
going to go to break in just a minute. But
I know many of you are concerned about, you know,
deeply concerned about the safety of our.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Children in schools.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
And if you want to call in or text in
after the break, would love to have you and we'll
talk more about it and talk more about my experience
working on the school safety front, and I've been involved
with Sandy Hook Promise and a lot of the other groups,
and I have a lot to say about it, but
I just I'm a lot of it's frustration, Like I
just don't feel like we're able to move the needle.
And it's not like there are solutions out there that
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we can put in place, as you heard Beverly talk about.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
And I know there's new technology and.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Lots of innovation going on around this space, So why
aren't we making that the top priority on the planet
right now for our children? That is the frustrating part,
And it all goes back to usually.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
The politicians and the legislature on.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Both sides act people act like that little stick figure.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
This is Heidi Canal filling in for Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
We'll see you after the break and talk more about
these crazy events going on in our state.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Well, hello everyone, it's Heidigan All filling in for Dan
Kaplis on this Monday. And boy, Ryan, you had a
big show talking a lot about Charlie Kirk and all
the vitriol out there in the world. It's unbelievable to
me how negative some people are being, and there's also
a lot of people being wonderful. We had an incredible
(00:35):
memorial service yesterday with Brave Church at their two locations.
Myself and Jeff Hunt and Victor Marx and tons of
other people worked hard to put this together.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Over three days.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We had over five thousand people attend those two services,
and then it was online as well with I don't
even know the numbers there, but it was just it
was really good food.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
For the soul.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
It counteracts a lot of that negativity. But tell me
a little bit more about what you talked about on
your show.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Well, it's just that it's what has happened over these
days since when people have had time to process it,
to absorb what happened, and still it seems surreal to
people like you and me that it actually happened at all,
but just this visceral, vitriolic, venomous reaction. I know there's
a lot of alliteration there in those vivs, but from
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the left of people. And this was my postulate, was
that there is a darkness that is a large element
of the left, that is a larger element of the
left than I ever.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Imagined it to be.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
But it revealed itself over these last several days in
the really demonic responses. I'm not going to hold back anymore.
I think this is part of what I learned and
where I have evolved in my thought process since Charlie's murder,
his assassination, is that we can't molly coddle these types anymore.
They need to be called out for who they are,
(02:02):
for what they are, for what they're not, which is
decent human beings. And these are people that subscribe to
a darkness in my view, that is born out of godlessness.
And I'm not saying it to be super religious, but
you have to have some kind of ethos some kind
of north star that guide your principles, that guide your conscience.
And what I am seeing, Heidi, is a consciousness lists
(02:24):
response to this. And I will back that up by
just citing one of my very good friends, and I'll
go ahead and name call him here because there's not
a lot of people in our audience who know him,
but he's a very highly respected country music DJ from
my home state of Michigan. I was roommates with him
in college. He's not very political. He's a bridge builder,
and he's very much a somebody that brings people together.
(02:48):
And he just posted on Facebook how many people he's
unfriended on that platform.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
He's no arch conservative, he's not you or me.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
He's not a lot of our listeners out there, but
some of these responsive have disgusted somebody like him so
much to that degree that he said before that happened,
the Charlie Kirk assassination, he might he could count on
one hand in the number of people that he's unfriended,
and now it's dozens dozens.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
By wow, Well, I know jd Vance took over Charlie
Kirk's podcast today and I was looking through the posts
and this one caught my eye.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
JD.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Vance went off on people who are calling for unity
with radical leftists. There is no unity, he says, with
people who scream at children over their parents' politics. There
is no unity with someone who lies about what Charlie
Kirk said in order to excuse his murder.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
You want to hear that, Yeah, I got it right here.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
There is no unity with people who scream at children
over their parents' politics.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
There is no unity with.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Someone who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order
to excuse his murder.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
There is no.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Unity with someone who harasses an innocent family the day
after the father of that family lost.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
A dear friend.
Speaker 8 (04:01):
There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie
Kirk's assassination.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
And there is no unity with the people who fund.
Speaker 8 (04:09):
These articles, who pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers,
who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband and father,
deserved a shot to the neck because he spoke words.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
With which they disagree. Did you know that the.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
George Soros Open Society Foundation and the Ford Foundation, the
groups who funded that disgusting article justifying Charlie's death, Do
you know they benefit from generous tax treatment.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
They are literally subsidized by you and me, the American taxpayer.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
And how do they reward us by setting fire to
the house built by the American family over two hundred
and fifty years. I'm desperate for our country to be
united in condendation of the actions and the ideas that
killed my friend.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
I want it so badly that I will tell you
a difficult truth.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
We can only have it with people who acknowledge that
political violence is unacceptable, and when we work to dismantle
the institutions that promote violence and terrorism in our own country.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
God bless JD for being so bold and saying what
we're all thinking, and not being afraid of what the
political ramifications are.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Going to be of him going after the left.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And I'm watching the CNN screen right now and it
says Trump repeatedly claims political violence comes from the left.
And I'm sorry, it's not a claim, it's the truth
fact check true.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I'm tired of thinking around on this, like, how are
we reacting to what happened. We're going to church, we're
having prayer vigils, we're having memorial services. We aren't burning
the dang city down, or you know, causing all heck
to break loose in our neighborhoods. I mean, it's just
it's so stark the difference. It's just shocking to me
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that the left can't see what's right in front of
their face.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I don't ryan, I'm just I'm fed up.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Like I've been so sad the last few days, and
I've cried so many tears.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
But now I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Getting mad and I'm getting upset, and I want to
turn my anger and my sadness and frustration into action.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And so, as I spoke at the event.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yesterday and the one last night, and I'm going to
speak at another one later this week, I'm going to say,
here's the plan. We've got over six hundred high schools
in this state. We've got I don't know how many
college campuses there are, I think fifteen Turning Point high
school chapters so far this year. We're opening a ton more.
They've I think they're opening six more in the next
few days. Out of Charlie's death. And we have six
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hundred high schools, Let's open a Turning Point chapter on
every single flip in high school campus in this state.
Do you know that they've received over thirty seven thousand
in student requests to help. On the Turning Point website,
thirty seven thousand students have reached out to say I
want to be a part of the solution. I want
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to be part of fixing free speech in this country,
and I want to be a part of Charlie Kirk's legacy.
And that's what I'm going to spend a lot of
my free time doing over the next school year is
helping every student who wants to start a chapter on
these high schools get it done. And I know there's
going to be a lot of pushback from the administration.
(07:29):
There already has been. I've been helping them for a
couple of years and I'm not going to tolerate it.
I Am not going to tolerate I'm a public about it,
and I am going to hold their feet to the
fire to help these students get their chapters open.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
It's that response too, Heidi. You know where do you
channel your anger, your frustration. You're feeling maybe of hopelessness
in the wake of this, that there are dark elements,
as I mentioned, that would prefer that we retreat to
our corners and have this sense of fear that will
prevent us from doing what Charlie was doing.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
But no, but no, it's been the exact opposite.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
When you saw Erica Kirk and her powerful message on
Friday night and what she planned to do, which was
much along the lines of what you're saying that you're
planning to do through turning Point, they have created I
call it, and it's a little bit humorous, but I
think Charlie might appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
It's like Obi.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Wan Kenobi in the original Star Wars when he warns
Darth Vader, if you strike me down, I will become
more powerful than you can possibly imagine. And that is
exactly what's happening with Charlie Kirk here.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And I mean the left better know that we are
not dancing around anymore. We are taking this seriously. No
one's like sitting at home fretting about what to do.
Everybody is aligned, We're working together. I've never seen so
much collaboration and unity around what we need to do
on the right, and that is help our young people
find their voice, stand strong, open these chapters, and make
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sure that they feel safe while they're doing it.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And that's up to us, the grownups.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And we've got to make sure that we're doing everything
possible to prevent the Left from hurting any of our
children or people involved in turning point any speakers.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
So one of the things we're going.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
To do too, Jeff Hout and I talked about that
is create a fund with some donors, a safety fund,
so that when the kids speak up or do events,
we're going to have.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Armed security there.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
We're going to have professional security there to make them
feel safe and to make sure that the left knows that.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
We are darn serious about this.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
All right, it's time for a break, but I'm going
to come back just as fired up, and we're going
to talk school safety and what's going on at Evergreen.
We're going to talk more about JD. Vance and so
much more. This is how you get all filling in
for Dan Caplis.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 9 (09:48):
You need conservatives to be afraid of getting killed when
they go to events, so that they look to their
leadership to turn down the temperature. The issue is right now,
they don't feel like there's any fear, like I don't know,
I don't know. It's like memes. It just means to everybody,
I guess. I don't know, Bro, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I don't care.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
I'm playing video games.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Okay, I'm done today.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
I don't care.
Speaker 9 (10:08):
God, I'm it's gonna be so gay if I got
killed in the next two months of I'm doing well.
The cucked out here. Please, don't anybody make any actual
the most cucked weak ass both gass speeches on my side. God,
if it happens, Holy shit, I'm gonna make a death
note before I go out to go live and not. God,
it's so cooked, It's so optics cooked.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Wow, wow, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That I mean that encapsulizes what we're hearing, and it
reminds me of a phone call I got from my
mom on I think it was Thursday, and we were
all in shock, and she's like, Hi, do you gotta stop,
Like you guys have to stop doing politics.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
This is not cool. I'm your mom, and I know
that you like being bold and.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Brave and doing the political thing, but you've got your
daughters doing it like this is scary. And I was like, Mom,
you and dad are the ones that raised me this money.
I could say my blood, my DNA, but I totally
get it. And it's been just haunting me over the
last few days, like, how do I encourage all these
young people to go out and be bold and.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Brave when there's lunatics like that who say that.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
We should be hurting conservatives who speak to influence them
so that they don't want to speak anymore. Well, we
had Reagan Harris on the show last week, and she's
an eighth grader, she's thirteen years old, and she got
up on Sunday and spoke at the memorial and did
an amazing job. Reagan did a fantastic job. She's so brave,
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and part of me was just like, gosh, do I
keep encouraging these young uns? That's the mom in me,
but the fighter in me and the friend of Charlie
and me, and the person who loves this country so
much just wants.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
To go to war with these people.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And to your point earlier, and like, just it's we've
got to be intolerant of this stuff and stay strong
and keep going.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Is that how you feel? Are you fearful at all?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Believe me, I've had some thoughts and I discussed this
with Steven L. Miller, who makes his residence here in Colorado,
and he's known as Red Ste's on x He's one
of the most influential voices on that platform. He hosts
a podcast called versus Media. Very smart guy, very bright guy.
And I turned to him during times like this, because
what does it mean in this sphere, In this space,
(12:23):
I don't operate out of fear. You know, I go
about in public. I live my life. I'm not gonna
stop doing that. But did I have some second thoughts
after what happened to Charlie? You bet I did, because
you just don't know. It only takes one lunatic at
the wrong time, and what we saw happen on Wednesday
can happened to any one of us that are in
that sphere.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
And I understand what your mom is saying to you.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
But the problem is that's exactly what those lunatics want
us to do, is to be silenced, to shut up,
to be fearful, to be afraid because they don't have
good ideas. If they had good ideas, their ideas would
win out.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
But they don't.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
So they have to silence at Charlie Kirk, they have
to threaten violence, they have to burn down a memorial
in Loveland. And this is what I'm talking about. All
of this, and I'm not even going to hesitate saying
it anymore. This both sides crap needs to go away.
They cite, I see the liberal talking points, what happened
to the legislators in Minnesota. Yeah, that was terrible, and
nobody on the right was celebrating it, You lunatics. And
(13:19):
there's so many people on the left right now that
are either soft serving this kind of quasi endorsement of
Charlie Kirk's assassination or outright celebrating it. On the left,
we're talking educators, people in the health industry, people working
in the government, people working in our apartment of wars.
It's now called that they feel embolden and empowered to
(13:41):
come right out and say, yeah, Charlie Kirk had it coming,
and you should lose your job. If you're that depraved,
I don't want you working for me, I don't want
you working with me. I don't want you on my
Facebook page. You're not a friend of mine. You're not
a rational human with humanity of any kind. Because if
this happened, and again we cite these examples on the
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what about the guy that took the hammer to Paul Pelosi?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
First of all, that guy was a lunatic, he had schizophreny.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
He was like out of his mind at the time,
and no illegal alien from Canada lived in a van hammered.
He was out of his mind, like you said. And again,
nobody on the right was saying that was a good thing.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Now I did. There were some reactions where there were.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Jokes being made about Paul Pelosi that I didn't like,
and I called him out at the time, and it's
not right. And as much as I might disagree with
Nancy Pelosi or Paul or whatever, all indications are, he's
a good guy. And even if he wasn't, that's not
the answer political violence. Nor would I ever endorse or
condone it, nor would you, nor I hope would anybody
in our audience, And if it did happen on our side,
(14:45):
of course we're going to come out and condemn it
and not celebrate it. There are so many Heidi we
have seen over these last days that are out there
on social media. They're not even afraid that they're not
even trying to hide it anymore, and they've revealed themselves
to be the demons.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
They are so ryan.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I'm looking at some of the text messages coming in
this one is pretty appropriate, Heidi. Did this behavior become
normalized in twenty twenty during the George Floyd riots, progressives
were embolded in boldened to insult and assault conservatives.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I think we did see some of that, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I do think that was a tipping point.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And it was like we were shunned or like vullified
if we tried to say, wait a minute, guys, this
isn't like the best way to approach this.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
No, you will not say anything. You will allow it
and be silent.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
You know, it was the summer of love, Oh my
chez and chop and burning down federal court buildings, and
and then we didn't have to wear masks anymore because
doctor Fauci assured us that was a good cause. The virus,
you know, it doesn't spread when people are justifiably demonstrating
against murderous police and you know, rallying for George Floyd.
(15:57):
That's when I knew the whole COVID thing was a sham.
If doctor Fauci and all these medical experts six feet
distancing gotta wear a mask and nobody in these riots
were doing that.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Well, it's a pretty justifiable cause. In COVID.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
You got to understand, this virus has a brain, and
it understands that this is a cause. So they're not
going to infect anybody. This is what we were being told
and fed and pedaled.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
That was so nonsensical.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
And you know who led that effort, Jared Polus, Jared
Pauls apologized for all of like he was not hardcore
on that front at all, Like talk about safety and
public safety in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
He's such augh it just drives me nuts.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And the Democrats all just fall in line right behind
him because he's the guy with the money, so whatever
he says goes.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
When I was a CIO regent.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
For those six years twenty sixteen to twenty twenty two,
obviously twenty twenty was smack in the middle of that.
I mean early on in that regent time frame sixteen
seventeen eighteen, conservatives were incredibly scared of bringing anybody to
campus or you know, so having a controversial speaker. When
(17:02):
we did have controversial speakers, Oh my gosh, the amount
of security that we were required to pay for, which
ended up being I don't know if it's illegal or
against the policy, but we did push back and they
had to charge us the same as the liberal speakers
that were coming, but they had all these passive aggressive
ways to prevent conservative speakers from coming on campus. I
(17:23):
spent most of my time defending conservative kids and faculty
from the viciousness of mostly the other students. It wasn't
even the other faculty, the our administration. It was other
students who were just bullies. And one of the people
who spoke yesterday was Ashley Mayor, who's a friend of mine.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
She was the head of the Turning Point chapter at CU.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Boulder for three semesters while I was a regent, and
I love that girl.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
She's just bold and brave.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
She was on the show last week too, and she
was in the in a classroom and they were talking
about wage gaps, and so she asked the teacher if
she could play a prager you video about wage gaps
and how it's a myth, and they didn't let her
do it for several months. But the thing that happened
was the other students in the class meeters feel so
(18:10):
uncomfortable and bullied her to the point where she didn't
feel comfortable in her class anymore. And she is a
brave girl, you know, so That's just one example of
so many. We could go on and on. When we
come back, we're going to have a friend of mine,
Beverly Kingston, on to talk about school safety in light
of what happened at Evergreen. This is Heidigan All filling
in for Dan Caples.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
You're listening to the Dankplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
This is Heidigan All filling in for Dan Caplis with
my friend Ryan Schuling, and we've been talking about the
vitriol and the just the horrible reaction to Charlie Kirk's
death from the left, and I think Ran and I
both believe it's not a two side thing. It's a
one side thing, and we're going to keep calling them
out for that. But we're going to shift gears a
(19:14):
little bit to talk about school safety in light of
what happened the same day that Charlie was assassinated here
in Colorado, a terrible shooting on the Evergreen.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
High School campus.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
And in just a minute, I'll have Beverly, a friend
of mine who heads up a really important place at
see a Boulder that does a lot of research on
But I want to preface it by saying I've been.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Involved in school safety issues for a long time. I
was on Governor Hickenlooper's.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
School Safety and Youth and Crisis Committee back in twenty.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Sixteen, and we did nothing.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
We met for an entire year, hours and hours of meetings,
we were appointed by the governor, came up with lots
of ideas about legislation, and it ended without anything being done.
Then it sat there for three years, and then they
started another school safety committe and guess what, guys, nothing
was done.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Now this is since twenty sixteen. You go back even farther.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Sandy Hook was in twenty twelve, and it's been how
many years now, thirteen years since Sandy Hook, and really
nothing has changed much in the schools from my perspective
as someone who's been pretty involved and been trying to
get some things done on the school safety front in Colorado.
(20:27):
As a governor Canada, I was going to do some
big moves on that front. I've talked to lots of
people in the legislature about ideas and research that we've
done on what might work, and most of it is
thanks to the amazing Beverly Kingston.
Speaker 10 (20:40):
BEV.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
We're so happy to have you on today to give
us some clarity around this topic.
Speaker 10 (20:47):
Thank you, Heidi, and thank you for all your work
in this area. I know we met way back in
twenty sixteen, I think when you were on that committee
or shortly after that, and I know you've been working
hard in this area as well well.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Thanks Beverly, tell us a little bit about your center
and what you're up to now. You do amazing work,
and not many people realize that you're at CU Boulder.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (21:12):
So I've been the director of the Center for the
Study and Prevention of Violence at the University of Colorado
Boulder for a while. So I started in twenty twelve,
and our center really focuses on bridging the gap between
research and practice so that the very best things that
we learn from research get into the hands of those
(21:35):
who need the most. And we work with schools throughout
Colorado Nationally, we also have an international project. We work
with communities, and we also do a lot of projects
that are focused on evaluation. We really want to make
sure that what's happening and what's being funded, what's happening
(21:59):
in our communities is based on, you know, what their
research shows work. So that's kind of what we're all.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
About so bev what does work? I mean, that's a
huge question.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
But after all you've been through, good is gracious, we're
all just like, what on earth.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
Do we do?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
No? I know?
Speaker 10 (22:17):
I mean the good news is we do know a
lot about what we can do, and I'm you know,
I'm happy to share a like a lot about that.
I also want to say it's not a simple quick fix,
and it's comprehensive, and it's it's at a lot of
different levels, and so I think that that can get
(22:41):
you know, complicated, but it's still critical that we all
understand what that work is, what it looks like, and
what we each can do, how we can each do
our part to take action. So, yeah, you want me
to share a little bit about you know, what we
I mean, there was a time we didn't know what worked,
we didn't have evidence, and that isn't where we are today.
(23:04):
Of course, there's more that could be learned, but if
we were to put into place what we do know,
you know, we estimate we could reduce violence by thirty percent. Wow.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
All right, So what are some tactical things that you
that you would provide to a school principal or administrator
and say these are the top three things you need
to do right away or make sure that your school
is implemented.
Speaker 10 (23:27):
Yeah, so I think you know, when we're talking about
preventing so I'm going to talk about preventing mass shootings.
You know, when we're talking about that, we want one
of the most and critical things to do is to
make sure that that everybody knows what the warning signs
for violence are, that that they not only know what
(23:49):
they are, but that they know what to do if
they come into contact through a peer, you know, through
a friend, through something online, that they know not only
you know, okay, I know what the sign is, but
I know I should tell a trusted adults and or
you know, make a report to safe to tell. So
(24:12):
we want to make sure that that not only I
guess that they understand those things, but they also even
practice those and that that message is is reinforced. It's
not one of those one time you say it and
it's done. That needs to be continuously reinforced. So I
say that because in these shootings, most always there's warning
(24:36):
signs that other people see, and so we want to
make sure that those warning signs, you know, get get
get seen and addressed. That's one part.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
That's part one.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Can I ask you a question, say something, Yeah, so
is this to see something?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Say something? Is a safe to Tell? How well is
safe to Tell working.
Speaker 10 (24:54):
Sal It's all of that, and you know there's not
one again, there's not one one thing. It's Safe to
Tell as a mechanism that definitely can be used and
has been used more and more every year, and that
is huge and.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Important tell people.
Speaker 10 (25:12):
So that, yeah, so, Safe to Tell is an is
an anonymous bystander reporting system that anybody can use. If
you see something that you're worried about that a kiddo's doing,
it could be even an adult, could be something in
your community. Anyone can can contact Safe to Tell and
that that will be It will be completely anonymous, and
(25:37):
it will be followed up and it will go to
the appropriate place. And Safe to Tell has a law
enforcement component where everything will go through law enforcement. Law
enforcement won't always need to respond, but they will get
that information and so you know, if there's something concerning
(25:57):
going on, it's likely that to Tell will get multiple
reports and they like that. They like getting multiple reports.
They're happy to have that happen. And then at the
school level, there's teams at each school or or districts
that will help respond, so it's not always a law
enforcement response. It may be something that the school principle,
(26:20):
it's a bullying situation, the school principle of the family,
some school staff get involved with. But if it is
something really major that can you know, law enforcement can investigate.
If it's something made you know, maybe not super major,
but that could lead to behavioral to CREAD assessment being implemented.
So I think that that's just a really good tool
(26:43):
that we all have. We also know that it's important
for young people and adults to everybody needs to know
what they want to do if they come across concerning behavior.
But that alone isn't good to be enough. We have
to make sure that our systems also know how to
(27:04):
address that concerning behavior. And in a lot of these events, unfortunately,
as you know this too, Heidi, that there's sometimes information
the information sharing systems aren't effective, or you know, information
is shared, but it's not getting to all the people
that need it. So we want to make sure we've
(27:25):
got really effective information and information sharing systems so that
if the situation does warrant doing a behavioral threat assessment,
that team is getting all a full picture of what's
happening in the life of that of that young person
that is getting that behavioral threat assessment.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Okay, so I really that kind.
Speaker 10 (27:47):
Of that system. We want all to work really well together.
And so I think that's a critical piece that we want,
you know, our schools to all be building cohesive systems
and acting upon hype.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Beverly, We've got to go to a break, but will
you stay on after so we can talk more about this.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
All right?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
This is Hidi Ganal filling in for Dan Caplis with
Beverly Kingston from CU Boulder.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
We'll be back after the break.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
And now back to the Dan Caplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
All right, this is Hidi Ganal filling in for Dan Caples.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Ryan's getting a little punch.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
He's playing Beverly Hills for you, Beverly as a guest
on the show. Very grateful to have you on. And
we don't have a long segment here. So I wanted
to address a couple of things. One is, can you
tell us if facility like physical things addressing the facilities
the school's works, And then can you tell us what
(28:43):
you know about the Evergreen shooting and if there's any
updates on that front.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
A lot to pack in in seven minutes.
Speaker 10 (28:49):
Yeah, I think in terms of the physical security, you know,
I think it's really important that there's there's the locks
on the on the doors is something that you know,
we've seen some evidence that that's important. There's there. Unfortunately,
we don't have a lot of data on the physical
(29:11):
security and what works and what doesn't. So the that's
just an area that you know, we could use more
concrete research, but we don't. We don't really have that,
So there's not a ton to say there.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
And then what about Yeah, what about arming staff?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I know that's a sticky wicket, but in a few
like thirty seconds, yay or nay or what you're feeling.
Speaker 10 (29:35):
Around that, Well, the thing is or having.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Armed security in the school I should say school resource office.
I mean.
Speaker 10 (29:45):
There's there's mixed find I mean sons speak of it.
From the research perspective, there's mixed findings in terms of
the school resource officers, and it's it's just because there's
I think why that is is because there's different levels
of training and so the studies that we've seen just
(30:06):
ask whether or not there was an armed officer in
the schools, and those don't necessarily show that, you know,
positive results in terms of school safety. However, you know,
we've got a real strong partnership with the National Association
of School Resource Officers and really see great value in
(30:28):
making sure that those school resource officers you know, go
through that rigorous training so that they you know, there's
there and they're able to support in terms of if
if something really horrible happens, but they're also able to
you know, be part of the whole school safety team
within it within a school. That there that there's a
(30:50):
real strong partnership between law enforcement and schools, and that
we know is is very powerful. When I was talking
earlier about the informatation sharing and the coordination between the systems,
that's that's a real important role for for school resource
officers to play. So I think, you know, as I said,
(31:11):
the research is a little bit mixed, but we need
to do more and we you know, we really emphasize
making sure that the officers that work in schools are
trained to work to work with young people well.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And on that front, Van and we have a hard
stop in about four minutes. But Okay, I read an
article today that two Evergreen High school parent groups raised
concerns about the availability of school resource offers in the
hours before Wednesday's shooting that critically wounded two students. So
it is I mean, yeah, it's crazy, but it sounds
like the school is coming back.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
And agreeing to put a lot of resources into that school.
But what about the other schools then?
Speaker 10 (31:50):
I know, I know, I mean the thing is, there's
there's it's a it takes a lot of resources to
support these schools, and it's really important that we have
these in place. I mean, they will help to There's
not like, not one hundred percent guarantee, but if we
build these systems that we're talking about, it's going to
(32:13):
be better. There's people are going to be able to
watch out for, you know, for concerning behavior. They're going
to be able to intervene. They're going to be able
to get young people help. What we want to do
is get that help at the earliest points possible so
it doesn't turn into a school shooting it does. You know,
it's help. The help happens way before this. But but
(32:35):
we we need it at all the levels, you know,
because we're in a time when these things are happening.
You know, hopefully one day it's not going to be
like that, but today it is, and so we need
to make sure that we have all these different levels
of prevention and intervention.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
All right, bevery last question, is Colorado still worse than
other states when it comes to school shootings?
Speaker 10 (33:02):
You know, I haven't looked at the at the we're
Colorado rates. I have looked at that in the past,
but I haven't most recently. I do know that we
are trying hard in Colorado to you know, as you
know very well, to get better, to improve, and that
you know, I work very closely with the Office of
(33:23):
School Safety and they have done so much incredible work
to roll out the Colorado Threat Assessment and Management Protocol
across the state. They're evaluating. We're helping to work with
them to evaluate that protocol to see that it's effective.
And you know, like I said, I can't say where
(33:44):
the ranking is, but I do know that, you know,
the partners that we you know, we work very closely
worth with for so many years, care so much about this,
and you know we want to come together and make
it better.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Well, I know you're doing your best to do that.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
You've been working on this for so long, and I
have so much respect for you, Beverly.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Thank you for taking the time to come on, and thank.
Speaker 10 (34:09):
You so much for this invitation.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Oh, You're very welcome. Appreciate you. All Right, guys, we're
going to go to break in just a minute. But
I know many of you are concerned about, you know,
deeply concerned about the safety of our.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Children in schools.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
And if you want to call in or text in
after the break, would love to have you and we'll
talk more about it and talk more about my experience
working on the school safety front, and I've been involved
with Sandy Hook Promise and a lot of the other groups,
and I have a lot to say about it, but
I just I'm a lot of it's frustration, Like I
just don't feel like we're able to move the needle.
And it's not like there are solutions out there that
(34:47):
we can put in place, as you heard Beverly talk about.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
And I know there's new technology and.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Lots of innovation going on around this space, So why
aren't we making that the top priority on the planet
right now for our children? That is the frustrating part,
And it all goes back to usually.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
The politicians and the legislature on.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Both sides act people act like that little stick figure.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
This is Heidi Canal filling in for Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
We'll see you after the break and talk more about
these crazy events going on in our state.
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