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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Good afternoon, Happy Friday, everybody. It's Heidigan All not Dan Caplis.
He's still working his trial, trying to.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Work his magic. He's gonna win. I know it.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Ryan.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
How are you doing this afternoon?
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (00:25):
I am great. I hope you're the same.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I am great. It's been a wild week. Lots going on.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
But so much in the news. I went through.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I told you I was singing drop at Kuti twenty five,
literally at a dead stop, and I'm like, I'm just
going to say, check out what's going on on Twitter?
Holy moly, there are so many crazy stories out there.
My favorite one for the day, though, is Jared Polis
getting called out by vives Ramaswami in a positive way, like, Jared,
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you hacked up all those regulations yesterday. We're so proud
of you. We're doze, you Colorado's doge. And so many
people just went after it and said, Vivec, please we
have a gas like governor, that's what I like to
call him.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
And he has Vivek, poor Vivec. I love Vivek, but he.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Doesn't understand how hardcore Jared Pullus has grown bureaucracy in
this state. You know, we yesterday, I believe her, the
day before we were called the sixth most regulated state
in the country, with forty five percent of its regulations
deemed excessive or duplicative. That's the Colorado Chamber of Commerce.
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What do you think about that?
Speaker 6 (01:36):
Ryan Wow? I mean, it's exactly like you said.
Speaker 7 (01:39):
Polus is doing everything for political gain, purpose, thought, malice, aforethought.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
He's not a libertarian.
Speaker 7 (01:47):
Anybody that would say wear a damn mask your selfish
bastards during COVID is not a libertarian in any way, shape, matter,
or form.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Anybody who would take jobs away.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
From healthcare workers who refuse to get the COVID shots
is not a libertarian in any way. So he can
continue this ruise, and he might have enough money to
buy it for a while, but not for the whole race.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
So do you think he's going to run for president
and end up just like Hicke and Looper and Michael
Bennett in the you know, one percent territory or what
do you foresee happening precisely.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
I think he will follow that to a t. He's
going to try to find a lane. I think that's
like a moderate libertarian lane that's not occupied that he
thinks he can, you know, spend money and flourish in.
That's the one thing he has, those two that you mentioned, Bennet,
Hicck and Loper do not is independent wealth. But I
don't see his campaign for president going any better than
say Pat schroeders dead back in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I was not paying much attention to politics back then.
I was graduating from s NO. I guess i'd been
out of Boulder for no. That's the year I graduated
with a Bolder.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah. I was probably in a bit of a haze
at that point.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I'm not insinuating, but I was doing anything right right right.
I just was studying really hard for my final very Okay,
the next craziest thing that happened this week?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Can you play clip four?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
The New York City mayor talking about why he's so
rapidly supporting dealing with illegal immigration.
Speaker 8 (03:13):
Now, if we have five hundred thousand children who had
sponsors in this country that we can't find.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
We can't find them.
Speaker 8 (03:26):
We don't know if they're doing child labor, we don't
know if they're doing sex crimes.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
We don't know if they're being exploited.
Speaker 8 (03:33):
Of five hundred thousand children. There's a level of hypocrisy
that everyone in that states they want to protect everyone
but innocent individuals or victims of crimes and children. I
want to suspect, support and protect children and innocent people
that are victims of crime, and those who don't understand
that start up to me to try to convince them.
I know what my job is, my goal is, and
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I was clear of that while running and when I
became mayor.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Safety means everything to me.
Speaker 8 (04:00):
Five hundred thousand children, we don't know where they are
right now in this country.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Ryan, How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I don't understand how people can turn a blind eye
to this.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
This is disgusting.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And if any there's any reason to close the border
and tighten up security down there is.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
This not it.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
I think there's a lot of people on the left
that are just they're okay with some collateral damage. And
I say that as somebody who has covered very closely
the trendy Aragua gang presence in Aurora, and had a
bit of a dust up with Comrade Kyle about that,
along with John Fabricatory against nine News Chris van Derveen.
They're very sensitive about their parenthetical lack of parenthetical coverage
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of that issue.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
But I think there's a lot of the left to go.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
You know, there are so many good immigrants here that
it's okay, we're gonna.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Have to take the bad ones.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
And if some children get trafficked, well that's just part
of the deal too. We just got to have open borders.
We can't enforce the border. We've got to let people
in and that it's a net positive. That's the only
thing I can really pull from this. That is something
that makes sense from the last perspective.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
My goodness, if any of our Democrat friends that are
listening right now want to call in or text in
and explain to us how you can vote for someone
who would support not just blowing that thing up, Like,
where do we find these children?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
How do we stop this?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
How do we protect this the kids that are out there,
how do we find them get them into good homes.
It's just it's heartbreaking. To me, and it's it's absolutely
should be the first priority if the president, I know
it is the incoming president, President Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
But also I think we're going to have a.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Really hard time when the media decides that they're going
to highlight every single person that gets deported that doesn't
you know, isn't a hardcore criminal, or if they deport
families together, they're going to try and play that up.
And there was an interesting a second clip that I'd
like you to play number two about what Homan can
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do on this front and how to deal with the
issue of how we hold people accountable for what's happening
at the border.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So you will not only go after the illegal migrants,
you may go after some mayors who aren't helping.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
If they step over that line.
Speaker 9 (06:17):
They just sit back and watch us, which again I
find incredible. You don't want to take public safety threat
to your community to help us. But there are laws
on the books that we will we will prosecute at
eighteen USC one to eleven, competing a federal law enforced
officers a felony Title eight and I says called thirteen
twenty four trum ply if you knowingly can see or
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harbor and the alien from ice that is a felony.
When I was an agent a long time ago, I've
arrested US citizens for harboring and alien their holding or
place on employment. If I can do it to a citizen,
why can't I do it to a politician who's going
to actively getting our way preventives from doing our job.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Okay, So here we go Mike Johnston, Mayor Mike Johnston
Denver Polist Governor Jared Poulis, who said they would push
back against the effort by the Trump administration to remove
illegal criminal immigrants. And so I wonder how that's going
to play. Are they really going to go to jail
on this issue to stand strong on this? Johnston kind
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of alluded to it and then he backed off.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
But maybe he makes a political statement by doing that.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You know, the day to day consequences of this, not
to mention the five hundred thousand children that they can't
find in this country are living in Denver, Colorado, or
in Lone Tree, Colorado now where almost every night we're
getting crime alerts down there. And I think it has
to do with it's the last light rail stop. I
think crimes are happening more and more in the suburbs,
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We're going to see it explode.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
If they don't take care of what's happening in Denver.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And I just wonder when the day, like the citizens
of Denver and the metro area are going to stand
up and say enough and push back on this stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
People have to stop being quiet.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
They have to talk to their elected officials and hold
them accountable. And if that means letting Tom Homan come
in or John Fabricatory, who I hope is going to
work with the administration and arrest people for protecting these criminals,
even if it's Mayor Johnston or Governor Jared Poulis, what
do you think about that? Ryan, do you think that
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could possibly happen.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
I don't think it'll get to that point.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
And what I'm very confused by is I think Mike
Johnston has higher aspirations for the governor's office, which I
get because we're a left leaning state. But for somebody
like Jared Polis that I think is trying to thread
a needle here, like with the cost cutting venture that
drew attention from a vague that he would take the
wrong side of this, the absolute losing side of this issue.
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It perplexes me because usually, if anything, Polis is a
very calculated, smart political animal, and that's not a smart move.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
No, I agree, I agree. So what's driving this?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Why aren't more politics standing up and speaking out like
the mayor of New York City. I'm very proud of him.
He did a great job and he just was relentless.
He even called out the media and said, you've already
written your narrative. I know you have, so I'm not
going to take much time up here talking to you,
which was really wild. All right, well, Ryan, let's take
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a break. We've got so much more to talk about.
I'm going to have Brad Beck and Marla Reichert on later.
Brad's going to talk to us about messaging and Colorado.
He runs Liberty Toastmasters and Marla used to be the
chair of the Pueblo County GOP and is doing great
work down there.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
And Pueblo had a great election.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
This is Heidi Ganaal. I'm filling in for Dan Caples.
I look forward to seeing you after the break.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Good Friday Afternoon.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's Heidi Ganal filling in for Dan Kaplis, who's at
the end of his mighty trial. He's been on this week.
I believe Ryan, you have some news about that.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
He do have some breaking news.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
This shared to me just moments ago by one Dan
Caples and I try to keep warning people out there.
If you see Dan Caplis and Campalis law is the
other name on the docket, then find a way to settle,
not go to court.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Wow, he says. The good news.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Is a very wise and hard working jury just returned
a seven figure verdict in our trial. Very proud to
say it's my seventh seventh figure verdict in a row.
God is good that from Dan Caplis.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Winning, winning, and more winning.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
You gonna gets tired of winning?
Speaker 7 (10:32):
Okay, seven times, seven brides for seven brothers and seven
figures seven times.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Okay, guys, that is not a clip. That's actually right.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Thing, he would say. Though, I got to come back
with the song that has the number seven in it.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I think, okay, number you're good at that.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
I gotta do what I gotta do, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Ryan, I want to talk more about winning. Let's talk
more about winning in Colorado. Okay, how do we win
in Colorado?
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Well, you gave it a game effort.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Oh thank you, yead.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
I mean, think about the deck that was stacked against
you going into that. Just the sheer dollar amounts that
polists could just, you know, spend willy nilly on whatever
he wanted.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
How do you encounter that? I don't even know. That's
the first step, I would say.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I was very naive.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I thought we could outwork the money until three weeks
before the election when my consultant called and she said, Ah,
there was just like a ten million dollar ad buy,
and we think there's a couple more, probably to the
tune of twenty twenty five million that's going to start
raining down on you any minute.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Literally walk out of the office.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I'm like, Oh, it's fine, it's fine, everything's going to
be fine. I walk out of my office, I look
at the TV boom. The first ad hits. I was like,
oh wow. And everywhere I went my kids were like, Mom,
this is getting ridiculous. Every time they'd walk in the
room there was another AD.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I think it's going to take that though.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
I know I say that and it sounds cynical, but
you really do need lawyers and money.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
I don't know what the gun's part, but careful, I'm
going to go for you.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
Yeah, no, no, no, I'm talking just in the sheer sense
of the political arena.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
There has to be a belief, Heidi, that we can
win here.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
For example, with your race, the national money that might
come in if somebody thought, hey, Heidi has a real
chance of pulling this out. And I think one bright
light that shined for me in this last election was
Gabe Evans. Yeah, in the eighth Congressional District, a swing district.
It turns out it was very important in the balance
of power in the House. The Republicans have just a
five seat majority had Gabe Evans loss to be a
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three seat majority, and there were a couple other races
that were very very close like his. And what it does,
I think it provides some kind of boost in the
perception of Colorado that we can win here, that there
is a path to victory, and that you get that
congressional money, those dollars spent here so that Gabe Evans
or another candidate can compete on a level playing field
because we know that the Democrats are going to have
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the money coming in both from special interests and from
national leadership as well.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I agree, Ryan, and I think in Gabe's case, the
money did come and it was super helpful, and people
were activated around his race and did help out in
the cure ballot part of it after the election, when
we had to cure ballots, which means we had to
kind of get voters whose ballots weren't going to necessarily
count because the signature d were off or something was wrong,
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but to get them to fix it, and our team did.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
A great job of that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
We also saw an incredible boost and Hispanic voter turnout
and voting our way, and I think Trump had a
lot to do with that his messaging, his focus on
the working man. I think that was incredibly helpful to
the CD eight race. Also, we also prevented a super
majority at the legislature in Denver.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That's huge.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And then in a little while later in the next hour,
we're going to talk to Marla Reichert about what happened
in Pueblo. We had some incredible wins in Pueblo.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
Yes, that was the one county. And I've been kind
of charting this for a while now. Heidi Publo used
to be pretty reliably and solidly blue for a long
time with the Hispanic population you talk about. But Trump
won Puebelo County. Now we got to work on the
margins because he had to have something that's going to
overcome the these wild margins we see in Denver Boulder.
And then unfortunately also where I live in a Rappahole County,
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which used to be at least a purple county, it's
really not now, and there's a lot of population there,
and it's a sheer numbers game. You know, where do
we flip votes? Where can we find people win hearts
and minds? And I think some of it A roadmap
was provided with our good friend Valdemar Archa Letta A
competing hard in the first district. We knew that that
was likely not a winnable race, but he at least
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made the effort. He campaigned, he went into these communities,
He had those conversations in Heidi, I think it starts there.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I agree with you, Ryan, and I have a new
Twitter community or ex community on my Twitter feed.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
My Twitter handles just Heidi Ganal.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
It's called Colorado's Road Back to Red and we've got
about fifteen hundred people in the Twitter community and people
are just yearning for what do I do today, Like,
what do I actually tactically do today to help? And
so we started this thing called fight back in five
What can you do in five.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Minutes a day?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And so a few of the things that I'm recommending
that people do. And then we're going to bring Brad
Beck on after the break to talk about a message
around this is number one. You've got to find out
who your precinc leader is. And if you're an unaffiliated voter,
still find out and you lean conservatives, still find out
who the Republican precinc leader is. That's the person that
oversees the neighborhood, like a certain neighborhood, and it's responsible
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to the district captain and the county chair.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
To kind of get things organized.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
They will have lists of all the voters in your
neighborhood that are like minded. You can knock on doors,
you can give them a call, you can text message them.
So also get to know your county GOP. You may
or may not agree with them, you may or may
not want to get involved with them, but they have
great events, they have great gatherings. You're going to meet
some people that you really like. Also, make a list
of all of your neighbors that you know are pretty
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like minded, that might be willing to get engaged and
have a barbecue, have a party, have them over, talk
to them. Start talking now, don't wait. The other thing
I'm telling people is find out when your next county
commissioner meeting is, your next city council meeting, your next
school board meeting, and just go.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Just go and sit in the audience. Learn who the
players are.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Go up afterwards and introduce yourself to them so that
they know who you are. And then start commenting. Start
getting up and getting the courage to comment. My daughter,
my twenty nine year old, got up and commented it
for the first time at the school board meeting last
week in Douglas County, and it was awesome. She was
really proud of herself. She was really engaged and she
made a difference. And then finally start saving money now,
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just maybe ten bucks here, five bucks here in a
little savings account or a jar that you can contribute
to candidates next year, because I'm calling next year. I
have a name for next year. School board year. It's
got to be all about picking some school board races
and going hardcore after flipping those races. What is that
going to do. It's going to show us that we
can win on the local level. It's going to teach
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people how to campaign, how to get engaged, how to activate.
It's going to teach candidates what kind of messaging is
going to resonate for the next couple of years. We
can test some certain things and Ryan in a second,
you can play that clip number one.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
This is what up to this conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I heard the Colorado Democrat chair saying that the party
needs to meet voters where they are, and that's exactly
what we're doing and why we won so many races
across the country. So if you can play that clip,
that'd be great.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Bring out celebrities to our rallies. What type of message
are we sending to the everyday voter about who we
care for and who we're championing. And so I think
we have to show up at the places where voters
are giving their attention. We have to be able to
go to football games, We have to be able to
not just go on Joe Rogan once every two years,
but we have to start building a climate where Democrats
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can go onto these platforms and not feel like it's
husperus them. Even in places where we might have disagreement,
I think we have to be able to find common
values that can be translated to each other.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
So they got the message.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
They got the message about what went wrong in this
last election, and they are not going to just sit
back and let Colorado slide even more. They're going to
come roaring back, and we've got to be ready. We've
got to be sharper, better, more prepared. And that happens
in your own neighborhood. There's nobody coming to save the day,
no new leader, no new chair of the GOP, no
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new candidate that's con flying in. You are the leader
of your own neighborhood. Take the ball and run with it.
That's the message for twenty twenty five. All right, guys,
we're gonna come after break with Brad beck a dear friend,
head of Liberty toastmasters across Colorado where they teach you
how to speak about the liberty message.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
This is Hidi Ganall filling in for Dan Kaplis. We'll
see you after the break.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Tgif everyone, it's gonna be a.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Fun weekend ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
This is Heidiganal filling in for Dan Kaplis Ryan. It's
been a crazy week, so much news, lots going on.
One of the things I want to cover in a
little bit after we talked to.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Brad is this drone situation.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I just saw that Trump finally addressed it and said,
if you can't identify what they are, shoot them down.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
So I went on to.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Just kind of check out if Elon Musk could wait
into this. I'm figuring he's the space guy, maybe he
knows what's going on.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
This is kind of hilarious.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Bill Malougan says, Elon any thoughts on the mass drone
sidings off the East coast. He says, alien spaceships controlled
by Iran. Obviously, I was like, oh, he's not serious, right, No,
I'm just.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Kidding, maybe half serious, and they run I know.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I'm like, what does that even mean? Do you think
they know what these things are and they're just not
telling us.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
I went over that clip that you sent and we
can play this a little bit later John Kirby with
Martha McCallum, who was giving him no quarter, by the way,
and it seems like they genuinely don't know, which I
don't know which is worse if they knew it, weren't
telling us, or they're just buffoons who are unaware of
anything that going on.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Wow, oh boy, all right, we'll table that for now.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Do we have mister Beck online?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Oo?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Do I need to press something? Thank you?
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Brad?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Are you there?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I am? How are you?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I'm great, Brad? Happy Friday. So good to talk to you.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
I am.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I can't wait to hear what you have to say
about how to.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Leverage this moment in time in Colorado with the Democrats
messing so many things up and us having an opportunity
with an incoming president that's just basically got.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
A mandate to do some really cool things.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Tell us every day folks, how to message what's going
on right now with our neighbors that are still kind
of grumpy about the election.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Well, I would say, the first of all, when you
talk to the aliens or playing those drones over New
Jersey and all over the country, when you say take
us to the take us to your leader, they have
to go down to mar A Lago.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Good answer.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
But you have a great show today, ID, And you know,
just like you, I'm an average person who started to
practice public speaking because my business required it, and I
started going to toast Masters, and I went through the
leadership program of the Rockies. In two thousand and nine,
graduated and started the Liberty toast Masters, which is a
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little different. We take the traditional structure of a Toastmaster's club,
but we blend it with the timeless principles of being
leaders in actions. So we talk about things like personal
responsibility and individual rights and free markets and limited government,
all based on our founding documents. One of the things
that I have found over the years we're fifteen years
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old in Denver and about twelve years in Longmont. Two
clubs that I go to is that we have fun.
We practice, we polish, and we try to perfect as
best as we can, really try to get better at
excellence rather than perfection. But we always are having the
opportunity to try something and fail. And there's nothing wrong
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with failing in public speaking when you're in a group
of people who you give you critical feedback. And that's
one of the keys with Postmasters is that we're always
giving positive feedback so people perform better.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So, Brad, you're an incredible sales professional, I mean you're
in management, etc. But I'm just always so impressed with
how you're able to talk to the other side and
get them to see the error of their ways in
a gentle kind way. So can you give us an
example of an issue right now that we're facing in
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Colorado that you might talk to with your neighbor who's
leans liberal over the fence one day, and how to
tackle that.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Well, one of the things Heidie I would suggest the
folks is know your subject. I mean, if you don't know,
it's hard to be a expert or somebody who's informed
enough to have a topic. But I always start off
by asking questions when somebody's mentioning something, as you were
talking about the immigration issue and what President elect Trump
(23:13):
is talking about doing, you know, I would ask the question, well,
what are your thoughts about it? Why is that important
to you? You know, what are you reading? And get
a sense of where they're at. Because people don't want
to hear what you have to say as much as
they want to be heard, and so often we're too
busy talking or thinking about talking rather than listening. And
(23:36):
one of the things we do in Toastmasters is do
a lot of listening. So you got to know your material,
You got to practice you got to know your audience,
and you have to realize that people want you to succeed,
especially in public speaking, because they don't want to go
and hear somebody grown on. They want to be enlightened,
informed and really get an opportunity to learn something new.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
And no note of the people.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Are listening to each other these days. We're talking past
each other.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, I agree with you, and you know, social media
certainly doesn't help with that. But even on social media,
asking questions and probing and trying to understand people, I
think is a great approach versus just making statements, fighting back,
pushing back. I think people are opening up to the
idea that may they may want to have conversations. I
(24:26):
don't know if you heard the clip from the Colorado
Democrat chair, but he said we need they need to
meet voters where they are. They learned some lessons in
this last election. And I will never give Shad Murop
any credit for anything, but I mean he's right, and
if they fix that problem, we're in trouble, like we're
not going to get as many games as we want.
But I think Republicans have done a better job of
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that in the last election and really meeting people where
they are, whether it's Joe Rogan or a podcast in Colorado,
or you know, going to different neighborhoods or different popularlytions
that think differently than us.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Even when I was at.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
The RNC convention and they had the union leader there,
that was wild. I mean, it just shook people up
a little bit. But I think it ended up helping
in the election to see that.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Well. Too many people, I think on our site for
too long, have been pushing facts and figures. One of
my mentors, Jeffrey Gittemer, who wrote The Sales Bible and
the Little Golden Book of Yes attitude, and I think
it's a lot of this as attitude. But if it,
facts and figures are forgotten. But stories are we told,
and stories that make a point connect at a heart level,
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and they get people emotionally. And you know, there's six
universal emotions that most cultures have happiness and sadness, anger, surprise, disgust,
and fear. And if you can tap into one of
those emotions through a personal experience a story that makes
a point, you're more likely to connect and have agreement
(25:58):
with people than argue with them. So I always suggest
to people what story do you have that can help
people understand your point of view, and then try to
connect where they're at as they're saying.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
That's a great point, Brad, and I think that's really
good advice for all of us is to pick a
topic that we're really comfortable with, maybe avoid the ones
that we're not so we don't get tangled up in
a conversation that isn't effective, and then really think about
a story about why you're passionate about that issue and
how to talk about it in a way that relates
to how you feel to the other person. Listen a lot,
(26:32):
and ask a lot of probing questions. Am I missing something?
Speaker 4 (26:36):
No? Those are all great. And you mentioned earlier Heidi
about going to town hall meetings, school board meetings. Most
of the time they give you two to three minutes,
and that's important to know because if you're going to
speak in front of an audience and only want to
make an impact that really gets people to think, you
have to know your rate of speaking. And one of
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the things I was taught by getting David Brooks, who's
a world champion of public speaking. He said, read something
out loud per a minute, and then count the words.
Do that three times, add up the total and divide
by three. You'll get your rate of speaking. So on average,
most men are about one hundred and twenty five words
per minute. Most women are about one hundred and fifty.
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I won't comment on why, but at three minutes, one
hundred and fifty words per minute, you have four hundred
and fifty words that you can say. And so what
I would suggest is write out a presentation of speech
and then edit it down. If you can reveal some
humor or something insightful, great, but then practice it, and
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then keep practicing. Record yourself on a phone, and the
next thing you want to do is when you go
up to the lectern and give your presentation and you're
within the time, because once you go to three minutes
and one second, they'll shut you down. You've got to
know your rate of speaking, and then if your practicing it,
you're understanding who your audience is. You know, a lot
(28:03):
of times people say, well, you only have two to
three minutes, it can't be that impactful. And I often
remind people that the Gettysburg address by Abraham Lincoln was
about two minutes and maybe fifteen to thirty seconds. How
packfl was that speech.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
That's wild, Brett, you can make a difference. We've got
a break.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
But I want to thank you for coming on and
giving some great advice on how to get, you know,
get the nerve up to speak at a school board meeting,
county commissioner meeting, city council meeting. Everybody should try that once.
I really appreciate all the work you do in Colorado.
And how can people join Toastmasters Liberty toast Masters.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Well, we have two clubs, one in Denver one and Longmont.
Longmot meets tomorrow at the Boulder County Republican Office at
four twenty five South Bowen Street, Sweep one and Longmont.
But if they go on our website to the public
downloads on either Denver or Longmont, there's ten tips for
public speaking. Okay, it's under the unerals bolder. They can
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download that and have some of the things we've been
talking about.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That's great, Brad, Well, thank you. We've got a head
to break, but Brad, have a great day. This is
Hidi Ganall filling in for Dan Caplis.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
And now back to the Dankapless Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Happy Friday everyone, It's Heidi Ganall filling in for Dan Caplis,
who had a big win in his trial just a
little bit ago.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Congratulations Dan, you rock.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I am so honored and blessed to be able to
fill in every once in a while. This is such
an incredible show and Ryan and Kelly you make this
job very easy.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I know I'm still a newbie, but uh, what are
you talking about?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
You helped me along this morning, Ryan, I went to
the Colorado Second District Service Awards ceremony up in Boulder
at See You Boulder and Congressman Janah Goose.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Was there and he was hosting it.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And why would I go to this, people might ask, Well,
I used to live in that district. I used to
live in Superior, so I know a lot of people.
And Jonah Goose actually used to be SeeU Regent. Did
you know that, Ryan?
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Yeah, I believe I heard that. Mostly because you were
a CU region at one time.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Of course, yep, So we know each other a little
bit because of that. But very nice guy, beautiful family,
and seems to be very well liked as a congressman
up there, and he's very high up in Democrat leadership
in DC. And it got me thinking about who's going
to be running for governor on that side to take
Jared Poulis's place in twenty six. So we've got n Goose,
(30:28):
who I think would be a very good candidate if
he ran very hard to beat. Got Mike Johnston, who
I know he's getting beat up a lot, but he's
got some big, big money behind him, with Reid Hoffman,
the LinkedIn guy, Mike Bloomberg that they could transform his
persona I'm sure, and make him look very nice and effective,
(30:48):
all that good stuff. And then we've got Phil Wiser,
the Attorney General, and I don't know, I don't know
how I feel about that. I think Jared Poulis is
backing him. If you know differently let me know, But
I think Phil Wiser wants to run. And of course
Jenna Griswold, Janet Griswold, wants to run for governor.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Kyle, go back and watch that interview with Comrade Kyle Clark.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
She just Skyle, you just nicked my chance to run
for governor?
Speaker 6 (31:20):
What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Do?
Speaker 6 (31:23):
This'm sighing. It's just it's classic.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I So, what do you.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Think about Jonah Goose? Do you know much about him?
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Do you think he I think he's a rock star.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
I think he's an up and comer, very solid, very polished,
very young, very sharp.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
I think he's a breath of fresh air. He's a change.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
I think he's malleable within the party in the sense
that he can attract new voters. There are elements like
you just named Phil.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
I call him.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Phil Nonethewiser, okay, and he and Mike Johnson are kind
of part of the same old, same old. May to
appeal to a certain aspect of the party, but if
you've got a wide open prime like you're describing there,
I think it's going to take a certain type of
personality to cut through that, and I think no Goose
has that in spades. I think he's just polished. I
think he's got a tremendous amount of appeal. And Dan
(32:11):
and I have talked very highly about him in the past,
and it doesn't surprise me that you share a high
opinion of him as well, at least in terms of
his political skills.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, obviously I disagree with him vehemently on a lot
of things.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
But Nick Goose versus Jennet Griswold.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
That's not a contest. Yeah, that's a joke.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
I mean, I would hope even if a Democrat's listening
out there, I mean, go ahead and pick Jenna Griswold,
I guess. But if you want to win, which I
would think would be the ultimate goal, you're not picking her.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Ever, well, and I was really impressed that he selected
Britta Horn as the Volunteer of the Year award for
his district.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
That's nice.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
It was very nice.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
And Britta does amazing work as the fire chief up there,
volunteer fire chief. She's very involved nationally with fireboards, and
she's just very dedicated to her community. I think she
lives in a town of like she took thirty two
and twenty eight of them are.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Have the same last name. I'm like Britta.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
And they don't have any broad like cell service up
there either, so you know, that's difficult.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
To fight fires and deal with the issues that they do.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
So that was really cool that Congressman Degoose selected Britta
Horn chief Britta Horn as the Volunteer of the Year
for Colorado second District. I think that's great. So we've
talked about the governor's race. Do you think John Hickenlooper
is really gonna run again. He does have a little.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Baby at home. Doesn't he have a kid like a
couple of years ago?
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Old for that? Doesn't he? I mean, no offense, but
I mean that's that's pretty wild.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
How old is he?
Speaker 6 (33:39):
He's seventy, isn't he something close to that?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I think he's in his seventies y, Yeah, so you.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
Know, I mean Donald Trump had a kid late in
life too, with Baron that went well.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
He's seventy two. John Hickenlooper.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I thought for a hot minute that maybe Jared Poulis
would try and kick him out and take that Senate
seat just to be relevant for the next couple of
years while he waits to run for president.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
But maybe he's just to go right into running for her.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
I think Kickenlooper would maybe serve one more term or
or try to run one more time.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah, and that's six years.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
So then we're looking at what twenty thirty two that
Hickenlooper would be done.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
If he wins this next one. And I mean you
look at just the baseline age. Mitch McConnell taking a
spill the other day, Oh my goodness, and he got him,
You got Nancy Pelosi got Biden.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
She broke her hip today.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Oh come on, yeah, no, she fell she was visiting somewhere.
She's in a hospital in Luxembourg or some I don't know.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
Back comparison, Hickenlooper is a kid compared to them.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
What you have to remember she fell in high heels.
Oh well she fell style. She fell with style. Lordie, lordie.
That is wild. That is just wild. So okay, we've
got Bennett up.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
Then in twenty wait, Bennett doesn't like Ted Cruz reading
cat in the hat.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
He was he was an interesting candidate, like I just
would was off while he was talking, and I mean,
god bless Joe Day for going up against him. It
was rough, like we knew Bennett would have a lot
of money, but he's just so smooth and he talks
like this in this monotone was with a little bit
of Eastern accent.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
I can't do it.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
I mean, you know, I at least I agreed with him.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
I interviewed him on election night. He came on KOA
and we were we had an accord about ranked choice voting.
We both opposed it and failed, so joining forces Michael
Ben and I one.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Wow, I'm impressed. I think a little bit differently of
you now right.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
I don't know, maybe not in a good way.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
All right, we're going to take a break and come back.
We've got lots of good stuff to talk about. We're
going to dig into Pueblo too at the five point
thirty five break and talk to Marla Reichert. We'll see
in a few minutes.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Good afternoon, Happy Friday, everybody. It's Heidigan All not Dan Caplis.
He's still working his trial, trying to.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Work his magic. He's gonna win. I know it.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Ryan.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
How are you doing this afternoon?
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (00:25):
I am great. I hope you're the same.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I am great. It's been a wild week. Lots going on.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
But so much in the news. I went through.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I told you I was singing drop at Kuti twenty five,
literally at a dead stop, and I'm like, I'm just
going to say, check out what's going on on Twitter?
Holy moly, there are so many crazy stories out there.
My favorite one for the day, though, is Jared Polis
getting called out by vives Ramaswami in a positive way, like, Jared,
(00:54):
you hacked up all those regulations yesterday. We're so proud
of you. We're doze, you Colorado's doge. And so many
people just went after it and said, Vivec, please we
have a gas like governor, that's what I like to
call him.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
And he has Vivek, poor Vivec. I love Vivek, but he.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Doesn't understand how hardcore Jared Pullus has grown bureaucracy in
this state. You know, we yesterday, I believe her, the
day before we were called the sixth most regulated state
in the country, with forty five percent of its regulations
deemed excessive or duplicative. That's the Colorado Chamber of Commerce.
(01:34):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 6 (01:36):
Ryan Wow? I mean, it's exactly like you said.
Speaker 7 (01:39):
Polus is doing everything for political gain, purpose, thought, malice, aforethought.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
He's not a libertarian.
Speaker 7 (01:47):
Anybody that would say wear a damn mask your selfish
bastards during COVID is not a libertarian in any way, shape, matter,
or form.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Anybody who would take jobs away.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
From healthcare workers who refuse to get the COVID shots
is not a libertarian in any way. So he can
continue this ruise, and he might have enough money to
buy it for a while, but not for the whole race.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
So do you think he's going to run for president
and end up just like Hicke and Looper and Michael
Bennett in the you know, one percent territory or what
do you foresee happening precisely.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
I think he will follow that to a t. He's
going to try to find a lane. I think that's
like a moderate libertarian lane that's not occupied that he
thinks he can, you know, spend money and flourish in.
That's the one thing he has, those two that you mentioned, Bennet,
Hicck and Loper do not is independent wealth. But I
don't see his campaign for president going any better than
say Pat schroeders dead back in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I was not paying much attention to politics back then.
I was graduating from s NO. I guess i'd been
out of Boulder for no. That's the year I graduated
with a Bolder.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah. I was probably in a bit of a haze
at that point.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I'm not insinuating, but I was doing anything right right right.
I just was studying really hard for my final very Okay,
the next craziest thing that happened this week?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Can you play clip four?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
The New York City mayor talking about why he's so
rapidly supporting dealing with illegal immigration.
Speaker 8 (03:13):
Now, if we have five hundred thousand children who had
sponsors in this country that we can't find.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
We can't find them.
Speaker 8 (03:26):
We don't know if they're doing child labor, we don't
know if they're doing sex crimes.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
We don't know if they're being exploited.
Speaker 8 (03:33):
Of five hundred thousand children. There's a level of hypocrisy
that everyone in that states they want to protect everyone
but innocent individuals or victims of crimes and children. I
want to suspect, support and protect children and innocent people
that are victims of crime, and those who don't understand
that start up to me to try to convince them.
I know what my job is, my goal is, and
(03:55):
I was clear of that while running and when I
became mayor.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Safety means everything to me.
Speaker 8 (04:00):
Five hundred thousand children, we don't know where they are
right now in this country.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Ryan, How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I don't understand how people can turn a blind eye
to this.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
This is disgusting.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And if any there's any reason to close the border
and tighten up security down there is.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
This not it.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
I think there's a lot of people on the left
that are just they're okay with some collateral damage. And
I say that as somebody who has covered very closely
the trendy Aragua gang presence in Aurora, and had a
bit of a dust up with Comrade Kyle about that,
along with John Fabricatory against nine News Chris van Derveen.
They're very sensitive about their parenthetical lack of parenthetical coverage
(04:44):
of that issue.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
But I think there's a lot of the left to go.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
You know, there are so many good immigrants here that
it's okay, we're gonna.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Have to take the bad ones.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
And if some children get trafficked, well that's just part
of the deal too. We just got to have open borders.
We can't enforce the border. We've got to let people
in and that it's a net positive. That's the only
thing I can really pull from this. That is something
that makes sense from the last perspective.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
My goodness, if any of our Democrat friends that are
listening right now want to call in or text in
and explain to us how you can vote for someone
who would support not just blowing that thing up, Like,
where do we find these children?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
How do we stop this?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
How do we protect this the kids that are out there,
how do we find them get them into good homes.
It's just it's heartbreaking. To me, and it's it's absolutely
should be the first priority if the president, I know
it is the incoming president, President Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
But also I think we're going to have a.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Really hard time when the media decides that they're going
to highlight every single person that gets deported that doesn't
you know, isn't a hardcore criminal, or if they deport
families together, they're going to try and play that up.
And there was an interesting a second clip that I'd
like you to play number two about what Homan can
(06:00):
do on this front and how to deal with the
issue of how we hold people accountable for what's happening
at the border.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So you will not only go after the illegal migrants,
you may go after some mayors who aren't helping.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
If they step over that line.
Speaker 9 (06:17):
They just sit back and watch us, which again I
find incredible. You don't want to take public safety threat
to your community to help us. But there are laws
on the books that we will we will prosecute at
eighteen USC one to eleven, competing a federal law enforced
officers a felony Title eight and I says called thirteen
twenty four trum ply if you knowingly can see or
(06:38):
harbor and the alien from ice that is a felony.
When I was an agent a long time ago, I've
arrested US citizens for harboring and alien their holding or
place on employment. If I can do it to a citizen,
why can't I do it to a politician who's going
to actively getting our way preventives from doing our job.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Okay, So here we go Mike Johnston, Mayor Mike Johnston
Denver Polist Governor Jared Poulis, who said they would push
back against the effort by the Trump administration to remove
illegal criminal immigrants. And so I wonder how that's going
to play. Are they really going to go to jail
on this issue to stand strong on this? Johnston kind
(07:17):
of alluded to it and then he backed off.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
But maybe he makes a political statement by doing that.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
You know, the day to day consequences of this, not
to mention the five hundred thousand children that they can't
find in this country are living in Denver, Colorado, or
in Lone Tree, Colorado now where almost every night we're
getting crime alerts down there. And I think it has
to do with it's the last light rail stop. I
think crimes are happening more and more in the suburbs,
(07:46):
We're going to see it explode.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
If they don't take care of what's happening in Denver.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And I just wonder when the day, like the citizens
of Denver and the metro area are going to stand
up and say enough and push back on this stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
People have to stop being quiet.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
They have to talk to their elected officials and hold
them accountable. And if that means letting Tom Homan come
in or John Fabricatory, who I hope is going to
work with the administration and arrest people for protecting these criminals,
even if it's Mayor Johnston or Governor Jared Poulis, what
do you think about that? Ryan, do you think that
(08:23):
could possibly happen.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
I don't think it'll get to that point.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
And what I'm very confused by is I think Mike
Johnston has higher aspirations for the governor's office, which I
get because we're a left leaning state. But for somebody
like Jared Polis that I think is trying to thread
a needle here, like with the cost cutting venture that
drew attention from a vague that he would take the
wrong side of this, the absolute losing side of this issue.
(08:47):
It perplexes me because usually, if anything, Polis is a
very calculated, smart political animal, and that's not a smart move.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
No, I agree, I agree. So what's driving this?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Why aren't more politics standing up and speaking out like
the mayor of New York City. I'm very proud of him.
He did a great job and he just was relentless.
He even called out the media and said, you've already
written your narrative. I know you have, so I'm not
going to take much time up here talking to you,
which was really wild. All right, well, Ryan, let's take
(09:19):
a break. We've got so much more to talk about.
I'm going to have Brad Beck and Marla Reichert on later.
Brad's going to talk to us about messaging and Colorado.
He runs Liberty Toastmasters and Marla used to be the
chair of the Pueblo County GOP and is doing great
work down there.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
And Pueblo had a great election.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
This is Heidi Ganaal. I'm filling in for Dan Caples.
I look forward to seeing you after the break.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Good Friday Afternoon.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It's Heidi Ganal filling in for Dan Kaplis, who's at
the end of his mighty trial. He's been on this week.
I believe Ryan, you have some news about that.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
He do have some breaking news.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
This shared to me just moments ago by one Dan
Caples and I try to keep warning people out there.
If you see Dan Caplis and Campalis law is the
other name on the docket, then find a way to settle,
not go to court.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Wow, he says. The good news.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Is a very wise and hard working jury just returned
a seven figure verdict in our trial. Very proud to
say it's my seventh seventh figure verdict in a row.
God is good that from Dan Caplis.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Winning, winning, and more winning.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
You gonna gets tired of winning?
Speaker 7 (10:32):
Okay, seven times, seven brides for seven brothers and seven
figures seven times.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Okay, guys, that is not a clip. That's actually right.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Thing, he would say. Though, I got to come back
with the song that has the number seven in it.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I think, okay, number you're good at that.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
I gotta do what I gotta do, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Ryan, I want to talk more about winning. Let's talk
more about winning in Colorado. Okay, how do we win
in Colorado?
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Well, you gave it a game effort.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Oh thank you, yead.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
I mean, think about the deck that was stacked against
you going into that. Just the sheer dollar amounts that
polists could just, you know, spend willy nilly on whatever
he wanted.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
How do you encounter that? I don't even know. That's
the first step, I would say.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I was very naive.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I thought we could outwork the money until three weeks
before the election when my consultant called and she said, Ah,
there was just like a ten million dollar ad buy,
and we think there's a couple more, probably to the
tune of twenty twenty five million that's going to start
raining down on you any minute.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Literally walk out of the office.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I'm like, Oh, it's fine, it's fine, everything's going to
be fine. I walk out of my office, I look
at the TV boom. The first ad hits. I was like,
oh wow. And everywhere I went my kids were like, Mom,
this is getting ridiculous. Every time they'd walk in the
room there was another AD.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I think it's going to take that though.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
I know I say that and it sounds cynical, but
you really do need lawyers and money.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
I don't know what the gun's part, but careful, I'm
going to go for you.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
Yeah, no, no, no, I'm talking just in the sheer sense
of the political arena.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
There has to be a belief, Heidi, that we can
win here.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
For example, with your race, the national money that might
come in if somebody thought, hey, Heidi has a real
chance of pulling this out. And I think one bright
light that shined for me in this last election was
Gabe Evans. Yeah, in the eighth Congressional District, a swing district.
It turns out it was very important in the balance
of power in the House. The Republicans have just a
five seat majority had Gabe Evans loss to be a
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three seat majority, and there were a couple other races
that were very very close like his. And what it does,
I think it provides some kind of boost in the
perception of Colorado that we can win here, that there
is a path to victory, and that you get that
congressional money, those dollars spent here so that Gabe Evans
or another candidate can compete on a level playing field
because we know that the Democrats are going to have
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the money coming in both from special interests and from
national leadership as well.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I agree, Ryan, and I think in Gabe's case, the
money did come and it was super helpful, and people
were activated around his race and did help out in
the cure ballot part of it after the election, when
we had to cure ballots, which means we had to
kind of get voters whose ballots weren't going to necessarily
count because the signature d were off or something was wrong,
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but to get them to fix it, and our team did.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
A great job of that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
We also saw an incredible boost and Hispanic voter turnout
and voting our way, and I think Trump had a
lot to do with that his messaging, his focus on
the working man. I think that was incredibly helpful to
the CD eight race. Also, we also prevented a super
majority at the legislature in Denver.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That's huge.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
And then in a little while later in the next hour,
we're going to talk to Marla Reichert about what happened
in Pueblo. We had some incredible wins in Pueblo.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
Yes, that was the one county. And I've been kind
of charting this for a while now. Heidi Publo used
to be pretty reliably and solidly blue for a long
time with the Hispanic population you talk about. But Trump
won Puebelo County. Now we got to work on the
margins because he had to have something that's going to
overcome the these wild margins we see in Denver Boulder.
And then unfortunately also where I live in a Rappahole County,
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which used to be at least a purple county, it's
really not now, and there's a lot of population there,
and it's a sheer numbers game. You know, where do
we flip votes? Where can we find people win hearts
and minds? And I think some of it A roadmap
was provided with our good friend Valdemar Archa Letta A
competing hard in the first district. We knew that that
was likely not a winnable race, but he at least
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made the effort. He campaigned, he went into these communities,
He had those conversations in Heidi, I think it starts there.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I agree with you, Ryan, and I have a new
Twitter community or ex community on my Twitter feed.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
My Twitter handles just Heidi Ganal.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
It's called Colorado's Road Back to Red and we've got
about fifteen hundred people in the Twitter community and people
are just yearning for what do I do today, Like,
what do I actually tactically do today to help? And
so we started this thing called fight back in five
What can you do in five.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Minutes a day?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And so a few of the things that I'm recommending
that people do. And then we're going to bring Brad
Beck on after the break to talk about a message
around this is number one. You've got to find out
who your precinc leader is. And if you're an unaffiliated voter,
still find out and you lean conservatives, still find out
who the Republican precinc leader is. That's the person that
oversees the neighborhood, like a certain neighborhood, and it's responsible
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to the district captain and the county chair.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
To kind of get things organized.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
They will have lists of all the voters in your
neighborhood that are like minded. You can knock on doors,
you can give them a call, you can text message them.
So also get to know your county GOP. You may
or may not agree with them, you may or may
not want to get involved with them, but they have
great events, they have great gatherings. You're going to meet
some people that you really like. Also, make a list
of all of your neighbors that you know are pretty
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like minded, that might be willing to get engaged and
have a barbecue, have a party, have them over, talk
to them. Start talking now, don't wait. The other thing
I'm telling people is find out when your next county
commissioner meeting is, your next city council meeting, your next
school board meeting, and just go.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Just go and sit in the audience. Learn who the
players are.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Go up afterwards and introduce yourself to them so that
they know who you are. And then start commenting. Start
getting up and getting the courage to comment. My daughter,
my twenty nine year old, got up and commented it
for the first time at the school board meeting last
week in Douglas County, and it was awesome. She was
really proud of herself. She was really engaged and she
made a difference. And then finally start saving money now,
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just maybe ten bucks here, five bucks here in a
little savings account or a jar that you can contribute
to candidates next year, because I'm calling next year. I
have a name for next year. School board year. It's
got to be all about picking some school board races
and going hardcore after flipping those races. What is that
going to do. It's going to show us that we
can win on the local level. It's going to teach
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people how to campaign, how to get engaged, how to activate.
It's going to teach candidates what kind of messaging is
going to resonate for the next couple of years. We
can test some certain things and Ryan in a second,
you can play that clip number one.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
This is what up to this conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I heard the Colorado Democrat chair saying that the party
needs to meet voters where they are, and that's exactly
what we're doing and why we won so many races
across the country. So if you can play that clip,
that'd be great.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Bring out celebrities to our rallies. What type of message
are we sending to the everyday voter about who we
care for and who we're championing. And so I think
we have to show up at the places where voters
are giving their attention. We have to be able to
go to football games, We have to be able to
not just go on Joe Rogan once every two years,
but we have to start building a climate where Democrats
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can go onto these platforms and not feel like it's
husperus them. Even in places where we might have disagreement,
I think we have to be able to find common
values that can be translated to each other.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
So they got the message.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
They got the message about what went wrong in this
last election, and they are not going to just sit
back and let Colorado slide even more. They're going to
come roaring back, and we've got to be ready. We've
got to be sharper, better, more prepared. And that happens
in your own neighborhood. There's nobody coming to save the day,
no new leader, no new chair of the GOP, no
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new candidate that's con flying in. You are the leader
of your own neighborhood. Take the ball and run with it.
That's the message for twenty twenty five. All right, guys,
we're gonna come after break with Brad beck a dear friend,
head of Liberty toastmasters across Colorado where they teach you
how to speak about the liberty message.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
This is Hidi Ganall filling in for Dan Kaplis. We'll
see you after the break.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Tgif everyone, it's gonna be a.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Fun weekend ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
This is Heidiganal filling in for Dan Kaplis Ryan. It's
been a crazy week, so much news, lots going on.
One of the things I want to cover in a
little bit after we talked to.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Brad is this drone situation.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I just saw that Trump finally addressed it and said,
if you can't identify what they are, shoot them down.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
So I went on to.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Just kind of check out if Elon Musk could wait
into this. I'm figuring he's the space guy, maybe he
knows what's going on.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
This is kind of hilarious.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Bill Malougan says, Elon any thoughts on the mass drone
sidings off the East coast. He says, alien spaceships controlled
by Iran. Obviously, I was like, oh, he's not serious, right, No,
I'm just.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Kidding, maybe half serious, and they run I know.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I'm like, what does that even mean? Do you think
they know what these things are and they're just not
telling us.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
I went over that clip that you sent and we
can play this a little bit later John Kirby with
Martha McCallum, who was giving him no quarter, by the way,
and it seems like they genuinely don't know, which I
don't know which is worse if they knew it, weren't
telling us, or they're just buffoons who are unaware of
anything that going on.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Wow, oh boy, all right, we'll table that for now.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Do we have mister Beck online?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Oo?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Do I need to press something? Thank you?
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Brad?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Are you there?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I am? How are you?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I'm great, Brad? Happy Friday. So good to talk to you.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
I am.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I can't wait to hear what you have to say
about how to.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Leverage this moment in time in Colorado with the Democrats
messing so many things up and us having an opportunity
with an incoming president that's just basically got.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
A mandate to do some really cool things.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Tell us every day folks, how to message what's going
on right now with our neighbors that are still kind
of grumpy about the election.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Well, I would say, the first of all, when you
talk to the aliens or playing those drones over New
Jersey and all over the country, when you say take
us to the take us to your leader, they have
to go down to mar A Lago.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Good answer.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
But you have a great show today, ID, And you know,
just like you, I'm an average person who started to
practice public speaking because my business required it, and I
started going to toast Masters, and I went through the
leadership program of the Rockies. In two thousand and nine,
graduated and started the Liberty toast Masters, which is a
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little different. We take the traditional structure of a Toastmaster's club,
but we blend it with the timeless principles of being
leaders in actions. So we talk about things like personal
responsibility and individual rights and free markets and limited government,
all based on our founding documents. One of the things
that I have found over the years we're fifteen years
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old in Denver and about twelve years in Longmont. Two
clubs that I go to is that we have fun.
We practice, we polish, and we try to perfect as
best as we can, really try to get better at
excellence rather than perfection. But we always are having the
opportunity to try something and fail. And there's nothing wrong
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with failing in public speaking when you're in a group
of people who you give you critical feedback. And that's
one of the keys with Postmasters is that we're always
giving positive feedback so people perform better.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So, Brad, you're an incredible sales professional, I mean you're
in management, etc. But I'm just always so impressed with
how you're able to talk to the other side and
get them to see the error of their ways in
a gentle kind way. So can you give us an
example of an issue right now that we're facing in
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Colorado that you might talk to with your neighbor who's
leans liberal over the fence one day, and how to
tackle that.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Well, one of the things Heidie I would suggest the
folks is know your subject. I mean, if you don't know,
it's hard to be a expert or somebody who's informed
enough to have a topic. But I always start off
by asking questions when somebody's mentioning something, as you were
talking about the immigration issue and what President elect Trump
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is talking about doing, you know, I would ask the question, well,
what are your thoughts about it? Why is that important
to you? You know, what are you reading? And get
a sense of where they're at. Because people don't want
to hear what you have to say as much as
they want to be heard, and so often we're too
busy talking or thinking about talking rather than listening. And
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one of the things we do in Toastmasters is do
a lot of listening. So you got to know your material,
You got to practice you got to know your audience,
and you have to realize that people want you to succeed,
especially in public speaking, because they don't want to go
and hear somebody grown on. They want to be enlightened,
informed and really get an opportunity to learn something new.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
And no note of the people.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Are listening to each other these days. We're talking past
each other.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, I agree with you, and you know, social media
certainly doesn't help with that. But even on social media,
asking questions and probing and trying to understand people, I
think is a great approach versus just making statements, fighting back,
pushing back. I think people are opening up to the
idea that may they may want to have conversations. I
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don't know if you heard the clip from the Colorado
Democrat chair, but he said we need they need to
meet voters where they are. They learned some lessons in
this last election. And I will never give Shad Murop
any credit for anything, but I mean he's right, and
if they fix that problem, we're in trouble, like we're
not going to get as many games as we want.
But I think Republicans have done a better job of
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that in the last election and really meeting people where
they are, whether it's Joe Rogan or a podcast in Colorado,
or you know, going to different neighborhoods or different popularlytions
that think differently than us.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Even when I was at.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
The RNC convention and they had the union leader there,
that was wild. I mean, it just shook people up
a little bit. But I think it ended up helping
in the election to see that.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Well. Too many people, I think on our site for
too long, have been pushing facts and figures. One of
my mentors, Jeffrey Gittemer, who wrote The Sales Bible and
the Little Golden Book of Yes attitude, and I think
it's a lot of this as attitude. But if it,
facts and figures are forgotten. But stories are we told,
and stories that make a point connect at a heart level,
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and they get people emotionally. And you know, there's six
universal emotions that most cultures have happiness and sadness, anger, surprise, disgust,
and fear. And if you can tap into one of
those emotions through a personal experience a story that makes
a point, you're more likely to connect and have agreement
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with people than argue with them. So I always suggest
to people what story do you have that can help
people understand your point of view, and then try to
connect where they're at as they're saying.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
That's a great point, Brad, and I think that's really
good advice for all of us is to pick a
topic that we're really comfortable with, maybe avoid the ones
that we're not so we don't get tangled up in
a conversation that isn't effective, and then really think about
a story about why you're passionate about that issue and
how to talk about it in a way that relates
to how you feel to the other person. Listen a lot,
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and ask a lot of probing questions. Am I missing something?
Speaker 4 (26:36):
No? Those are all great. And you mentioned earlier Heidi
about going to town hall meetings, school board meetings. Most
of the time they give you two to three minutes,
and that's important to know because if you're going to
speak in front of an audience and only want to
make an impact that really gets people to think, you
have to know your rate of speaking. And one of
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the things I was taught by getting David Brooks, who's
a world champion of public speaking. He said, read something
out loud per a minute, and then count the words.
Do that three times, add up the total and divide
by three. You'll get your rate of speaking. So on average,
most men are about one hundred and twenty five words
per minute. Most women are about one hundred and fifty.
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I won't comment on why, but at three minutes, one
hundred and fifty words per minute, you have four hundred
and fifty words that you can say. And so what
I would suggest is write out a presentation of speech
and then edit it down. If you can reveal some
humor or something insightful, great, but then practice it, and
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then keep practicing. Record yourself on a phone, and the
next thing you want to do is when you go
up to the lectern and give your presentation and you're
within the time, because once you go to three minutes
and one second, they'll shut you down. You've got to
know your rate of speaking, and then if your practicing it,
you're understanding who your audience is. You know, a lot
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of times people say, well, you only have two to
three minutes, it can't be that impactful. And I often
remind people that the Gettysburg address by Abraham Lincoln was
about two minutes and maybe fifteen to thirty seconds. How
packfl was that speech.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
That's wild, Brett, you can make a difference. We've got
a break.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
But I want to thank you for coming on and
giving some great advice on how to get, you know,
get the nerve up to speak at a school board meeting,
county commissioner meeting, city council meeting. Everybody should try that once.
I really appreciate all the work you do in Colorado.
And how can people join Toastmasters Liberty toast Masters.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Well, we have two clubs, one in Denver one and Longmont.
Longmot meets tomorrow at the Boulder County Republican Office at
four twenty five South Bowen Street, Sweep one and Longmont.
But if they go on our website to the public
downloads on either Denver or Longmont, there's ten tips for
public speaking. Okay, it's under the unerals bolder. They can
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download that and have some of the things we've been
talking about.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That's great, Brad, Well, thank you. We've got a head
to break, but Brad, have a great day. This is
Hidi Ganall filling in for Dan Caplis.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
And now back to the Dankapless Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Happy Friday everyone, It's Heidi Ganall filling in for Dan Caplis,
who had a big win in his trial just a
little bit ago.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Congratulations Dan, you rock.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I am so honored and blessed to be able to
fill in every once in a while. This is such
an incredible show and Ryan and Kelly you make this
job very easy.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I know I'm still a newbie, but uh, what are
you talking about?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
You helped me along this morning, Ryan, I went to
the Colorado Second District Service Awards ceremony up in Boulder
at See You Boulder and Congressman Janah Goose.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Was there and he was hosting it.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
And why would I go to this, people might ask, Well,
I used to live in that district. I used to
live in Superior, so I know a lot of people.
And Jonah Goose actually used to be SeeU Regent. Did
you know that, Ryan?
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Yeah, I believe I heard that. Mostly because you were
a CU region at one time.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Of course, yep, So we know each other a little
bit because of that. But very nice guy, beautiful family,
and seems to be very well liked as a congressman
up there, and he's very high up in Democrat leadership
in DC. And it got me thinking about who's going
to be running for governor on that side to take
Jared Poulis's place in twenty six. So we've got n Goose,
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who I think would be a very good candidate if
he ran very hard to beat. Got Mike Johnston, who
I know he's getting beat up a lot, but he's
got some big, big money behind him, with Reid Hoffman,
the LinkedIn guy, Mike Bloomberg that they could transform his
persona I'm sure, and make him look very nice and effective,
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all that good stuff. And then we've got Phil Wiser,
the Attorney General, and I don't know, I don't know
how I feel about that. I think Jared Poulis is
backing him. If you know differently let me know, But
I think Phil Wiser wants to run. And of course
Jenna Griswold, Janet Griswold, wants to run for governor.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Kyle, go back and watch that interview with Comrade Kyle Clark.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
She just Skyle, you just nicked my chance to run
for governor?
Speaker 6 (31:20):
What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Do?
Speaker 6 (31:23):
This'm sighing. It's just it's classic.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I So, what do you.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Think about Jonah Goose? Do you know much about him?
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Do you think he I think he's a rock star.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
I think he's an up and comer, very solid, very polished,
very young, very sharp.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
I think he's a breath of fresh air. He's a change.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
I think he's malleable within the party in the sense
that he can attract new voters. There are elements like
you just named Phil.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
I call him.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Phil Nonethewiser, okay, and he and Mike Johnson are kind
of part of the same old, same old. May to
appeal to a certain aspect of the party, but if
you've got a wide open prime like you're describing there,
I think it's going to take a certain type of
personality to cut through that, and I think no Goose
has that in spades. I think he's just polished. I
think he's got a tremendous amount of appeal. And Dan
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and I have talked very highly about him in the past,
and it doesn't surprise me that you share a high
opinion of him as well, at least in terms of
his political skills.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, obviously I disagree with him vehemently on a lot
of things.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
But Nick Goose versus Jennet Griswold.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
That's not a contest. Yeah, that's a joke.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
I mean, I would hope even if a Democrat's listening
out there, I mean, go ahead and pick Jenna Griswold,
I guess. But if you want to win, which I
would think would be the ultimate goal, you're not picking her.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Ever, well, and I was really impressed that he selected
Britta Horn as the Volunteer of the Year award for
his district.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
That's nice.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
It was very nice.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
And Britta does amazing work as the fire chief up there,
volunteer fire chief. She's very involved nationally with fireboards, and
she's just very dedicated to her community. I think she
lives in a town of like she took thirty two
and twenty eight of them are.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Have the same last name. I'm like Britta.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
And they don't have any broad like cell service up
there either, so you know, that's difficult.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
To fight fires and deal with the issues that they do.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
So that was really cool that Congressman Degoose selected Britta
Horn chief Britta Horn as the Volunteer of the Year
for Colorado second District. I think that's great. So we've
talked about the governor's race. Do you think John Hickenlooper
is really gonna run again. He does have a little.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Baby at home. Doesn't he have a kid like a
couple of years ago?
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Old for that? Doesn't he? I mean, no offense, but
I mean that's that's pretty wild.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
How old is he?
Speaker 6 (33:39):
He's seventy, isn't he something close to that?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I think he's in his seventies y, Yeah, so you.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
Know, I mean Donald Trump had a kid late in
life too, with Baron that went well.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
He's seventy two. John Hickenlooper.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I thought for a hot minute that maybe Jared Poulis
would try and kick him out and take that Senate
seat just to be relevant for the next couple of
years while he waits to run for president.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
But maybe he's just to go right into running for her.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
I think Kickenlooper would maybe serve one more term or
or try to run one more time.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah, and that's six years.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
So then we're looking at what twenty thirty two that
Hickenlooper would be done.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
If he wins this next one. And I mean you
look at just the baseline age. Mitch McConnell taking a
spill the other day, Oh my goodness, and he got him,
You got Nancy Pelosi got Biden.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
She broke her hip today.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Oh come on, yeah, no, she fell she was visiting somewhere.
She's in a hospital in Luxembourg or some I don't know.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
Back comparison, Hickenlooper is a kid compared to them.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
What you have to remember she fell in high heels.
Oh well she fell style. She fell with style. Lordie, lordie.
That is wild. That is just wild. So okay, we've
got Bennett up.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
Then in twenty wait, Bennett doesn't like Ted Cruz reading
cat in the hat.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
He was he was an interesting candidate, like I just
would was off while he was talking, and I mean,
god bless Joe Day for going up against him. It
was rough, like we knew Bennett would have a lot
of money, but he's just so smooth and he talks
like this in this monotone was with a little bit
of Eastern accent.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
I can't do it.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
I mean, you know, I at least I agreed with him.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
I interviewed him on election night. He came on KOA
and we were we had an accord about ranked choice voting.
We both opposed it and failed, so joining forces Michael
Ben and I one.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Wow, I'm impressed. I think a little bit differently of
you now right.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
I don't know, maybe not in a good way.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
All right, we're going to take a break and come back.
We've got lots of good stuff to talk about. We're
going to dig into Pueblo too at the five point
thirty five break and talk to Marla Reichert. We'll see
in a few minutes.
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