June 5, 2025 • 34 mins
In the second hour of today's edition of the show, Dan takes a closer look at the Donald Trump and Elon Musk conflict. Caplis also discusses the potential deportation of the Boulder Terrorist's family.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Then right now, glad you're here. Three h three someone
three A two five five tags, DA, N five, seven,
seven through nine. You'll be glad you're here too when
you hear from our next guest. But first, I mean
thanks Sheriff Steve, who had Tom Holman on Monday. That's
pretty darn cool. Talk about a well connected cat. And
John Caldera filled in yesterday while I've been in trial
(00:20):
this week. So thanks to them and our critical infrastructure,
Kelly and Ryan for keeping it all together. And all
I can say is literally every single day since I
moved to Colorado in nineteen seventy five on a golf
Caddy scholarship.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, I like the movie Caddyshack.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I have literally thank God that I'm here because you
just look around and see the beauty and every time
I get to walk into one of these courtrooms. I
love the Adams County Courthouse. I love Adams County Jury's.
I love the whole system. You get to walk in
there and stand up with this wonderful client, hard working
waitress at Applebee's badly injured in a crash with a
(00:57):
lift driver, and then hard heart fought k and a
lot of intensity and passion and even anger and closing
argument and then a jury does justice and her life's
change forever, and you walk out thinking, man, you know,
so very lucky to live in a country like this.
Hey want to go to the VIP line and we
do a weekly segment with doctor Catherine Wheeler, and we
(01:19):
do it on the life issue. But it's not an
ideological discussion. It's a medical discussion because she's a medical doctor.
She's a medical doctor who used to perform abortions and
in the pro life movement, which I've been proud to
be a small part of for decades, the greatest heroes
of the pro life movement are women who've had abortions
and now work for the life cause, and people who
(01:41):
have conducted abortions or worked at planned parenthood and now
work for the life cause. So Catherine is one of
those heroes. And we talk medicine. Catherine, welcome back to
the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Oh, thank you, Dan, It's good to be back with you.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Thanks, And Hey, today I know the topic is abortion
as quote healthcare, because that is an argument that you
hear and you're going to address that from the medical perspective.
So please doctor take the stand and deliver the testimony.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Well, thank you. I think there's a few points to make.
First term, so what are we talking about? And so
to define whether something's healthcare, you kind of have to
know what it is and what it's for. So first
thinking about what is an induced abortion? And I'm going
to use the CDC definition, and it says that it's
(02:33):
an induced abortion isn't an intervention to terminate a suspected
or known pregnancy within the uterus that does not result
in life birth, So the intention is to not have
a life baby. Well, what is healthcare? And healthcare is
something that we do in medicine to improve health, and
(02:53):
so we use the term health. Other people use a
term wellbeing, which I'll talk about in a minute. But specifically,
our goal is to prevent, diagnose, treat, ameliorate, or cure
specifically a disease, illness, or injury. So we're either preventing
something going wrong with health or we're trying to either
(03:14):
reduce it or cure it. And so when somebody's pregnant,
healthcare is prenatal care and delivery of the baby, whereas
abortion is actually disrupting a normal physiological process. That also
has the intention of not having a live baby. So
therefore killing the baby is what that really means, and
(03:35):
by definition, that's not healthcare. So to take it to
the next level, you know, we've always known in medicine
that we shouldn't be doing things unless we need to.
We'd call that medical necessity, and of course abortion has
gotten far away from that to being on demand, and
so clearly this is not medically necessary at least ninety
(03:59):
nine percent of the time. And one of the proofs
of that is the fact that most obgins will not
do abortions. In fact, only seven to fourteen percent do.
So a lot of people wonder, well, how did we
get here in medicine, And to be honest, medicine changed
in the last fifty to sixty years, and the ethics
(04:19):
of medicine changed. So we've gone from hippocratic medicine where
one of the things that we don't do is use
staff as a therapeutic option, and that we're always promoting
something objective, which is health, to a different kind of model,
which is called provider service, and they are the patients
telling us what they want for what they called their
(04:41):
own well being. So it's subjective and it's all based
on patient autonomy, meaning that if it's legal and we're
trained to do it, they expect, at least in this model,
that if they ask for it, we have to do it.
So it's a completely different model, and clearly the had
to change. So instead of the Hippocratic oath where it
(05:04):
says we will not give a lethal drug to anyone
if we're asked, we won't advise such a plan. And similarly,
we will not give a woman a pastoray to cause
an abortion, which is an old way to do that.
It's now been changed. And so I don't know if
any medical schools who actually still say the Hippocratic oath.
But right around the time that sexual ethics were changing
(05:27):
and abortion was starting to be promoted, clearly medical ethics
had to change to train medical professionals to abortions, and
it was very very intentionally changed.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
It would it be more precise to say that medical
ethics had to be abandoned.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Well, that's you know, there are parts of medical ethics
that I think have dayed. But the part about you know,
patient autonomy being primary as opposed to doing the good
and not harming, and the fact that an obstetricy have
two patients. We've always known we have two patients. Really
do take precedence for the mother's life if we can
(06:07):
only say one life unless she says otherwise. But with abortion,
it's changed from in that circumstance we're supposed to pretend
we only have one patient. But some of the other
ethical things like not doing harm, doing the good being,
just doing informed consent, those ethics are still there, but
specifically the ones about life and death particularly changed.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Well for lay people like me, when we think of
the hipocritic oaths, we think of one thing, do no harm,
and it seems like that's at the core of medical ethics.
Don't use your god given skills and abilities to.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Go do harm.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
But in order to cater to the political wins, you're
telling us that the hippocritic oaths now isn't used at
any medical school you know, And isn't it because of
that one line, Because politically, now that the political winds
are that doctors should be able to do harm, they
should be able to kill, and so the core of
(07:06):
the hippocratic oaths is aborted.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, that's where the definitions become really important, because harm
has been redefined that the patient didn't get what they wanted.
So access access means choice. You know, they don't get
access to their choice in this specific circumstance, because we
still use medical necessity for everything else, and we still
(07:31):
try to do the good and not harm people and
be fair. So the other ethics are in place. You know,
they do say in oaths, and you've got a minute,
I can tell you briefly what they say in that
new oath. There are two of them that are common.
One of them is written by doctor Lasagna, and it says,
most especially, I must tread with care and matters of
life and death. If it's given to me to save
(07:53):
a life all things, but it may also be within
my power to take a life. This awesome response fability
must be faced with great humility and awareness of my frailty.
Above all, I must not play it God, which I
don't know about you, but my deafin is one of
the things that's in God's purview is life and death.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But it isn't that guy just saying that, oh no,
I can go ahead and take a life. I've just
got to I've just got to be humble about it.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
That's right, that's right, and I can't play God, but
it's playing God and the other one. This is pretty brief.
It's called the Oath of the Healer, and in that
section it says, I shall always have the highest respect
for human life, and remember it is wrong to terminate
a life in certain circumstances permissible and thumb in an
act of supreme love in others. So you know that
(08:40):
tells you the progression that medicine has said, actually abortion
can be an act of supreme love, which you know
I find that frightening.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's sick. I mean, I think personally it's sick.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
And listen, generally speaking, I have the greatest respect for
doctors and for the medical profession. I'm grateful for all
it's done for me in my life family. But the
people who decide to take their God given skills and
use it to kill for money, they're the worst of
the worst.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Well that is in and I agree having been in
that place. You know, I think there are hippocratic professionals still,
and I'm actually part of an organization which has a
chapter here in Colorado of pro life medical professionals that
do not use death as a therapeutic option. It's called
the American Association of Pro Life obqi INS and it's
(09:29):
hoping for every medical professional doesn't have to be Obgan's,
but we're the medical voice that is really trying to
defend both of our patients and get the real evidence
out there.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Well, but you see, that's why you're a hero, and
that's why you're so effective, because you were doing that
and then you faced it and you not only stopped it,
but you went public and said, yeah, I used to
do that and it's wrong. And here's why. To me,
that's the definition of both heroism and effectiveness. So I'm
glad you're here. I'm glad you do that. I'm glad
we do this weekly segment. And what do you want
(10:01):
to talk about next week?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, I know that doctor Peril had some difficulty with
the connection last week. We can talk more about prenatal element. Yeah,
and I would love to talk about some of the
A lot of news reports are coming out about abortion
that I know are confusing people, especially to fear about
women dying if we don't have unrestricted abortion, And I'd
(10:26):
love to talk about that. Is there any questions.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Let's do that.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, and let's start taking some listener questions. And I
think every time you come on the show and you
talk about the medical reality of prenatal development. Otherwise, when
life begins as medical fact, I think that either lives
are saved that day or the foundation is laid for
saving lives. So thank you for doing that, doctor, and
we'll catch you next week.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Thank you so much, Stan, have a great week.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Take care of that. Is that doctor, Catherine Wheeler. Boy,
she's doing a lot of good. Glad you're here.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Three or three someone three, two, five to five. How
does the Musk Trump feud end? And how much damage
is being done in the meantime you're on the Dan
Kaplas show.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
See that.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I don't think there's any doubt whatsomever that this was
orchestrated by Elon Musk because for probably business reasons, personal reasons,
he needs a clear separation.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
From the president. So I think that's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Obviously it's gotten ugly and with Musk now coming out
and it's a real defamatory statement, not legally defamatory. As
a smart guy, he protected himself, but this statement that
Trump's not releasing the Epstein files because he's in him.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You know that's untrue.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
On its face, because if there was anything bad in
the Epstein files about Trump, Biden would have released him.
So yeah, Trump's mentioned, but in a good way because
he borrowed Epstein from Mario Laga. So yeah, I think
this is calculated on Musk's part. He needs that separation.
I mean, you could see what the politics of it
was doing to test Lie can see that as a shareholder,
(12:11):
very very small shareholder. But yeah, so that's what's going on,
and it's getting very ugly at the moment, and the
left gets to go have their little orgy over it,
and fine, I don't think to the typical voter's going
to matter. Here's where it could hurt, where it could
hurt his Musk's money, because I listen, I don't think
Trump won because of Musk's money. You don't go sweep
(12:33):
all those swing states and everything else unless unless you
Donald Trump have that appeally one in sixteen without Musk money.
I think Musk money helped, and I think more importantly,
Musk money could transform the GOP in close races around
the country. So you know, let's hope that comes back
at some point three or three someone three eight, two, five,
five takes d An five seven, seven three nine. If
(12:56):
you miss the last segment, please pick it off the
podcast because when doctor Catherine Wheeler joins us each week,
I think is some of the most important pro life
conversation out there because it's medically based. She's a medical
doctor who used to do abortions, so we talk about
medical realities, and the more people learn the medical truths,
the fewer abortions there are, and the more people who
(13:17):
become pro life.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
You know, the tremendous gains made by the pro life movement,
they've been stunning in American history over the decades.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Have been a.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Combination of people like my late mom and many other
great heroes who have worked relentlessly to save innocent life
and to do it through the political process, directly at clinics, etc.
And then ultrasounds because people could see, oh, they're lying
to me when they say it's a clumpet tissue, that's
that's my child. So that's why nobody's ever said, hey, man,
(13:49):
look at my fetus when they give somebody an ultrasound.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So it's great to have her on each week.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And if you didn't hear this week, please do pick
it off the pod and send it to people who
you think may be interested, which hope Flee would be
pretty much everybody. Thanks again to Sheriff Steve and John
for covering me while I was in trial this week.
One of the really cool things, right, I don't know
if you and I talked about it. One of the
really cool things about the trial this week. First and foremost,
(14:15):
a jury work so hard and did justice for a
wonderful waitress who'd been badly injured. And now we'll have
the opportunity in life that she should after she was
hurting this horrible crash caused by a lift driver. But
I got to try the case with my new partner,
John Kellner, the former DA elected DA in a Rapa
(14:38):
Ho and his right hand man in a rapo, Tom Burns,
both officers Marine Corps and Navy, Tom and John.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
But I got to try the.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Case with them, and it was so cool because they
are so good and it was just.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
A thrill to try that case with them.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And one of the cool things afterwards was a juror
came out, and a juror came up to us in
the hallway and said, I stand there with John and
Tom and just said, hey, thank you, thank you. It
was so cool to get to see you guys be
so professional. And I know that sounds self serving because
(15:18):
it is, but first, the juror just a tremendous, impressive,
wonderful human. But also John and Tom really are that,
and so to get to try their first Sibyl case
with them too, and their first civil case is a
multimillion dollar jury verdict, which was great to see. Three
or three someone three eight two five five texts d
A N five seven seven three nine Dan. Here it
(15:41):
is another Friday, and people are speeding through red lights.
Impatience makes people drive like jerks. I'm tired of it.
I love somebody who's looking ahead. I mean, it is
still Thursday, right. I'm a little out of whack because
I've been in trial so often over last month.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
But no, he's right, He's right, And I don't want
to go off on the typical rant.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
But the reality is our roads are killing fields right
now because the Left is undermining law enforcement and the
left is refusing to pass laws which will make tougher penalties,
and you have so many people killed through recklessness on
the roadway and the killers face very very little consequence.
Not always, but often, and that's often the fault of
(16:24):
Colorado law.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Dan, I think that Trump Elon ref has staged.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
How else do you win back that ev consumer base
and recoup the stock price.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I wouldn't say it's staged. I would say that Elon
made the.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Decision to do this for the reasons I mentioned that,
for the purpose of his company long term, as well
as maybe some stuff in.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
His personal life.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
He needed a public separation from Trump, and I think
that he's made sure. It's very flamboyant, so it cannot
be missed.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Could Elon be deported back to South Africa? No, and
I'm glad for that because while I'm a supporter of President,
the man shouldn't be deported. Elon Musk has done tremendous
things for this nation. I don't agree with him on
every issue, obviously, but he's done tremendous things so this nation,
my lord. One of the greatest contributions to free speech
(17:14):
since the Revolutionary War is Elon Musk buying Twitter. I mean,
he has made so many contributions. But no, he has
legal status. He was naturalized many many decades ago.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Dad.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Liberals don't pay attention to the news, and if they do,
liberal outlets don't report migrant crimes.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
So they.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
They just know of the illegal immigrants they know of,
such as this person is saying in long form, house cleaner, etc.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I think there's a lotitude to that.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Because so much of the media in Colorado is an
extension of the Democratic Party, not all there are noble exceptions,
thank goodness, but they don't report in depth the things
that polists and the Democrats are doing to actively actively
recruiting legals to Coloradore knowing that some of those will
be rapist and murders and terrorists.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
The climate of fear we're in where so many people
who are in a range of different statuses are being targeted,
often in haphazard ways, and obviously we've talked a lot
about them. Now due process, this procedure will go forward,
and if the individuals don't have any basis for staying here,
they can be removed as long as the procedure goes
forward under the rule of law, under due process of law.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
That's our system.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
It's so Phil Wiser goes on CNN to talk about
the Trump administration's effort to remove the family of the
Boulder terrorist and deport them, which obviously should happen, right.
I mean, that's the biggest no brainer in the history
of Earth. And you know that is on the terrorist himself.
So how could anybody are you with that? So why
(19:01):
does Wiser even go on CNN and then try to
dance around the question, right, Because he doesn't want to say, oh, no, no,
they shouldn't be deported because this is probably like.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
A ninety nine to one issue in Colorado right now,
or among any sane people.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
But bot he knows the big money and the power
in the Democratic Party is on the far far crazy,
goofy radical left, and so he wants to appease them.
Let me for us ask you about that federal decision
to detain the family and apparently very shortly to remove
them from the United States.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
What is your view of that?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
My view is it's critical that our immigration system work
under the rule of law, according everyone due process of law.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So I just want to stop here because this gets
a little technical, and I know you're probably in the car.
So he starts by saying, oh no, no, it's got
to be rule of law and due process. But listen carefully.
He'll soon acknowledge that this expedited deportation deeper is constitutional.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Expedite to removal is a rare, but it's a constitutional procedure.
The critical fact of immigration system is we have a
backlog of over a million people who.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
So look into what he's reduced to an argument that, Okay,
we've got a terrorist who's been living in our midst
and like so many folks here illegally, probably essentially recruited
to Colorado by all the goodies that pull us in
the left hold out for people to come to Colorado illegally,
including driver's licenses. Now your first day here, and so yeah,
(20:38):
any same person would say it is far more important
to get that family out of this state right now
than to just take the next person in line for deportation.
But now Wiser's trying to argue, no, they have to
wait their turn, They have to deport all these other
millions first before the family of the terrorist.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
On true like this, who haven't yet actually been deported.
That's where our focus should be when we talk about immigration, right.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Right, So the focus should be there.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Okay, so we know we have this terrorist, and we
know that he wanted it to be a mass shooting right,
But he couldn't buy a gun in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Because he's here illegally.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
But his attempt to buy a gun illegally apparently didn't
get acted on. Is at the fault of the police administration,
is at the fault of Biden.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
We got to get to the bottom of that.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
But no, So why did Wiser even go on CNN
because he's he's trying to be credible in this governor's race.
But I think everybody watching knows he has no chance.
And even though he's actually more accomplished than Michael Bennett,
he shouldn't be governor because of his bad ideas. And
he's not the people's lawyer, because is he going to
go into court and do something for the people. And
(21:53):
then you look at all the things he does legally
which are the opposite of what the people's lawyers should do. No,
but but he is accomplished. He did clerk for US
Supreme Court justices, etc. So he is more accomplished than
Michael Bennett, who is completely thoroughly unaccomplished. But Bennett's going
to be their nominee. So I think Wiser is trying
(22:15):
to stay high profile enough to be able to be
enough of a threat to Bennett to get some implicit
understanding that he's going to get the Senate appointment when
in the minds of the Democrats, inevitably Bennett becomes governor.
I think there's a little chicken counting going on there,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
That's what you want to call it. I mean, what
would you call it.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I call it a horribly run gubernatorial campaign that's completely
tone deaf, and that even people left of center that
are watching him on CNN spout this nonsense.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
You got to keep coming back to this point.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Nan, the guy firebombed Jews in Boulder, he does not
deserve due process. He and yes, his entire family, deserve
a boot in the buns right.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Across the board. Well, no questions asked. That's the end
of it. Let me quib here a bit, my friend.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Okay, one of the great things right about America is
even the most heinous criminal. And he is the most
heinous criminal that this Boulder terrorist who wanted to burn
alive juice, right, he is the most heinous criminal. He's
in that category in our system, even they get due process.
(23:26):
And I don't want this heinous terrorist deported. I want
him to rot in a jail cell for the rest
of his days if the FEDS don't end up killing him,
and I don't think they're I don't think any of
the victims are going to die. We hope they don't.
But yeah, I want him to rot in a jail
cell here. I don't want him to be deported to
(23:46):
Egypt where maybe he ends up free somewhere.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Give this example of my show. I'll make it real quick.
My dad had a chance to take a job in Australia.
I was four years old when this happened. If I'd
gone there with my family and my dad lost his
mind and decided to fire bomb Aborigines and said death
to all Aborigines, and the Australian government said get the
hell out and take your kids and your.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Family with you. I don't see a problem with that whatsoever.
Very creative example. It's a very specific and real exam right, right.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But all I'm saying is we agree it's the biggest
no brainer in the history of the Earth that you
don't leave the terrorist family here. So why can't Wiser
just say that, right and just say get him out
of here? And it's because the Left is I'm sure
every bone in his body wants to say that.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
But one of the reasons he shouldn't be attorney generally
he shouldn't be governor is he doesn't have the courage
to speak the truth. He's just beholden to these far left,
radical fringe elements that control the party.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
And foreshadowing, because we have a very cool guest coming
on tomorrow at five oh six, Yes, and he is
included and cut twenty eight speaking on this very issue.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
We love foreshadowing and we love very subtle hints like
that one.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Let me just read for you, Scottland.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
You can respond what the attorney for the family said,
wishing individuals, including children as young as four years old,
for the purported actions that their relatives is a feature
of medieval justice systems or police state dictatorships, not democracies.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Is this family in the country legally or not? Actually,
I'm not sure. Now they came in up.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
And obviously in the household you have extreme radicalism that
has now led to the literal burning of American citizens
on the streets of this country and a clear act
of domestic terrorism. And so again we have an individual
district court judge stepping in here to try to prevent
the commander in chief of the United States from protecting
(25:39):
Americans from a clear invasion of radicalism.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
That's number one.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Number two regarding the travel ban, he has a great reason.
These countries don't vet people, they don't share information people
who come from these countries, which all, by the way,
the link is the governments are essentially failed states. They're
not functioning, and so they overstay their visas. All of
these countries present massive problems for our own government when
trying to figure out who's coming here, why, and how
(26:04):
long they're going to stay and what are they going
to do when they get here. We have had an
awakening in this country of the abuse of the visa system.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
If you're our visa, you'll have a right to be here.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
You're a guest in this country, and we've seen a
number of our guests turn on actual Americans need six.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
And let's hope this is a big issue in the
Colorado governor's race, in the Colorado Senate race. Let's hope
that is a big issue, because it should be. And
I've been saying it for a long time. Ryan, you
know that, And I'm going to tell him this tomorrow.
I'm sure it'll really matter to him. But he is
presidential material. Scott Jennings is presidential material. And can you
(26:39):
imagine seeing any of these cats in a debate against whoever.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
The DEM's put up next time in twenty eight You.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Know, whether it's j D or Marco or Jennings or
DeSantis or any of these people, they got a ton
of talent. But yeah, he's going to be with us
tomorrow at five zero six. Oh you know what I
want to see, Ryan, get Phil.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Wiser on the show so I can ask him this.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
If he's so hept up on keeping the family of
the terrorists in Colorado illegally, they're here illegally, then maybe
we can reach this accommodation. They move in with him,
or they move into the governor's mansion with polists, maybe
we could get that accommodation. Yeah, yeah, I don't hear
(27:23):
that offer being made. And you know the other thing
you don't see. You have all these phonies, all these
elected Democrat phonies, whether they're Polis or Wiser or Johnston
or all the rest of them. What I'd like to
see is open up your books, show us how much
money you have given out of your own account, to
(27:44):
help the newcomers.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I want to see that.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
How much money have they given out of their own accounts?
You know they've all got good money, some more than others.
How much have they given personally? They want to give
a lot of your money. How much have they given
person By the way, Mike Johnston, I realized this when
I got out of trial. Is he really on this
big defund the police kick looks like he is. We'll
talk about that too. You're on the Dan Kapli show,
(28:20):
living here illegally. How could anybody even try to make
an argument for that? Why can't Phil Wiser just say no?
They have to go.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Three or three?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Someone three eight, two, five five the number good news
for Republicans and our friend Gabe Evans, who is a
true star, young star in Congress, and that is did
you see that polling RNE out of cdaight, yea Derick
Caraveo who's running again, Ya, dere Caravello is leading by
a mile and two more credible candidates, credible from the
(28:49):
left perspective in today.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Primary the primary.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Right, That's my point, right, thank you for clarifying that.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I think we want her as the Democrat I think
she'll be easier for Gabe to beat.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
I was joking with Gabe Evans about this and that
she might try to move to his right politically, because
she keeps moving and moving in that direction, including toward
the end of her own term in the campaign against
Gabe and now in this primary.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I believe she is.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Running flanking right of these liberal Democratic candidates. Now, she
is a liberal Democrat, but this is kind of the
hill she has chosen.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, And the reason I think that she would be
easier for Gabe to beat and I really want to
see him win reelection, is because, first of all, you
beat her before, right, she just doesn't bring that much
to the table, but she has enough name recognition, et
cetera that she's probably in a position to win that primary. Second,
the Dems have started to hit attacks on her with
(29:45):
these leaks about a ledging that she had a couple
of perhaps suicide attempts during her first term, and these
appear to be Democrat generated hits.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Stories on her.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I don't know if they're true or not, but but yes,
so we've got this dissension within the Democrat party and
I think all of that is good for Gabe and
I think it's real important for Colorado CD eight obviously,
and with conquers being so close to America that Gabe
get re elected. A great day for America from the
US Supreme Court today, a nine zip decision on something
(30:18):
really important, and Judge Brown Jackson wrote the unanimous opinion
for the Court, siding with I'll quote the ABC headline
straight Ohio woman who alleged reverse discrimination by gay employer,
and so, but it really was a race based thing
in the end, because what's been going on is you
have some circuits, some federal appellate court levels for different
(30:41):
parts of the country. In this case, the Sixth Circuit
governs includes Ohio, and so the Sixth Circuit, like some others,
have been saying, wait a second, if you're a white
person suing for job discrimination, you have a higher standard
to prove than if you're a person of color.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And so it's great to see.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
The US Supreme Court nine zips say no, no discrimination
based on race is wrong, no matter what your race is.
And so this was an important step in that direction today.
So kudos to a nine zip US Supreme Court. Texter
says Dan, how long before the Colorado Democrats are calling
(31:21):
this is one of the greater texts of the year.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Ne have you read this?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
How long before the Colorado Democrats are calling him the
Boulder terrorist, the Colorado Dad and trying to have margueritas
with him being the terrorist.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So Wiser was practically I know, I know you can't now.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Wiser was trying to watch some line, but just to suggest, oh, no,
we've got so many other folks deportation.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
You have to wait your place in line to be deported.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So you've had a terrorist here planning to do a
mass murder in Boulder, trying to burn our Jewish brothers
and sisters alive. And you say, his family, which by
the way, is here illegally, should be allowed to stay
another minute.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Well, he tried to come with these boiler plate kind
of checklist of terms from the talking points, and even
John Berman seeing and he goes, we well, wait a minute,
he's saying this is fear based, go after this guy.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Oh my lord, text day And I do think Musk
has a little bit of a chip on his shoulder.
He truly felt he was able to assist with and
contribute to saving the United States of America that he
loves Steely I think he was genuinely surprised by politicians'
reluctance to reduce spending. Listen, I think Elon Musk has
done tremendous good for this nation. We disagree on some things,
but he's done tremendous good for this nation. I think
(32:39):
what's going on here as Trump has I think what's
going on here is he needed for Tesla, for his
other businesses, for himself personally, he needed a clear public
separation from Trump, and.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That's what he set out to do.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
And the nastier this breakup gets, the more credible the
separation is. I would bet there's going to be personal
Kumbaya at some point. Whether we'll see it publicly or not,
I am not sure. So text that's too long. Thank you,
Dan loved John Kellner, Thank you for that text. I
was talking earlier about how cool it was this week
(33:13):
to go to trial with the John Kellner, the elected
DA in Arapo just finished his term and is now
the managing partner of our firm, and Tom Burns, his
right hand man, also a high ranking captain in the
US Navy, and we went to trial together in Adams.
I love Adams County. I love the courthouse. I love
the people, I love the jurors, and it was a
hard fought case and justice was done in this wonderful,
(33:35):
hard working waitress so badly injured by a lift driver
ends up, you know, with a very very substantial, multimillion
dollar award that will help her get her life back
on track. And to try it with John and Tom
and they are so good. It was just a really
cool experience. And to be part of their first civil
trial because they've been doing this criminal work forever and well,
(34:00):
anybody in the business knows, and I think anybody watches
TV knows an elite litigator is an elite litigator, and
both those guys are and it was really cool to
try that case with him.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
And so hey, thank it everybody. Sorry we're out of
time to date.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
It'll be great to have Scott Jennings on today tomorrow
five oh six. And I do think he's presidential material
and these skills he gets from CNN constantly debating these lefties.
Most of these politicians debate once or twice in their
lifetime if it's even a real debate. He's smart, he's skilled.
He'll be with us tomorrow at five oh six I'll
ask him, you know, is he going to run for president?
(34:37):
You're on the Dan Caplo Show.
Then right now, glad you're here. Three h three someone
three A two five five tags, DA, N five, seven,
seven through nine. You'll be glad you're here too when
you hear from our next guest. But first, I mean
thanks Sheriff Steve, who had Tom Holman on Monday. That's
pretty darn cool. Talk about a well connected cat. And
John Caldera filled in yesterday while I've been in trial
(00:20):
this week. So thanks to them and our critical infrastructure,
Kelly and Ryan for keeping it all together. And all
I can say is literally every single day since I
moved to Colorado in nineteen seventy five on a golf
Caddy scholarship.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, I like the movie Caddyshack.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I have literally thank God that I'm here because you
just look around and see the beauty and every time
I get to walk into one of these courtrooms. I
love the Adams County Courthouse. I love Adams County Jury's.
I love the whole system. You get to walk in
there and stand up with this wonderful client, hard working
waitress at Applebee's badly injured in a crash with a
(00:57):
lift driver, and then hard heart fought k and a
lot of intensity and passion and even anger and closing
argument and then a jury does justice and her life's
change forever, and you walk out thinking, man, you know,
so very lucky to live in a country like this.
Hey want to go to the VIP line and we
do a weekly segment with doctor Catherine Wheeler, and we
(01:19):
do it on the life issue. But it's not an
ideological discussion. It's a medical discussion because she's a medical doctor.
She's a medical doctor who used to perform abortions and
in the pro life movement, which I've been proud to
be a small part of for decades, the greatest heroes
of the pro life movement are women who've had abortions
and now work for the life cause, and people who
(01:41):
have conducted abortions or worked at planned parenthood and now
work for the life cause. So Catherine is one of
those heroes. And we talk medicine. Catherine, welcome back to
the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Oh, thank you, Dan, It's good to be back with you.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Thanks, And Hey, today I know the topic is abortion
as quote healthcare, because that is an argument that you
hear and you're going to address that from the medical perspective.
So please doctor take the stand and deliver the testimony.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Well, thank you. I think there's a few points to make.
First term, so what are we talking about? And so
to define whether something's healthcare, you kind of have to
know what it is and what it's for. So first
thinking about what is an induced abortion? And I'm going
to use the CDC definition, and it says that it's
(02:33):
an induced abortion isn't an intervention to terminate a suspected
or known pregnancy within the uterus that does not result
in life birth, So the intention is to not have
a life baby. Well, what is healthcare? And healthcare is
something that we do in medicine to improve health, and
(02:53):
so we use the term health. Other people use a
term wellbeing, which I'll talk about in a minute. But specifically,
our goal is to prevent, diagnose, treat, ameliorate, or cure
specifically a disease, illness, or injury. So we're either preventing
something going wrong with health or we're trying to either
(03:14):
reduce it or cure it. And so when somebody's pregnant,
healthcare is prenatal care and delivery of the baby, whereas
abortion is actually disrupting a normal physiological process. That also
has the intention of not having a live baby. So
therefore killing the baby is what that really means, and
(03:35):
by definition, that's not healthcare. So to take it to
the next level, you know, we've always known in medicine
that we shouldn't be doing things unless we need to.
We'd call that medical necessity, and of course abortion has
gotten far away from that to being on demand, and
so clearly this is not medically necessary at least ninety
(03:59):
nine percent of the time. And one of the proofs
of that is the fact that most obgins will not
do abortions. In fact, only seven to fourteen percent do.
So a lot of people wonder, well, how did we
get here in medicine, And to be honest, medicine changed
in the last fifty to sixty years, and the ethics
(04:19):
of medicine changed. So we've gone from hippocratic medicine where
one of the things that we don't do is use
staff as a therapeutic option, and that we're always promoting
something objective, which is health, to a different kind of model,
which is called provider service, and they are the patients
telling us what they want for what they called their
(04:41):
own well being. So it's subjective and it's all based
on patient autonomy, meaning that if it's legal and we're
trained to do it, they expect, at least in this model,
that if they ask for it, we have to do it.
So it's a completely different model, and clearly the had
to change. So instead of the Hippocratic oath where it
(05:04):
says we will not give a lethal drug to anyone
if we're asked, we won't advise such a plan. And similarly,
we will not give a woman a pastoray to cause
an abortion, which is an old way to do that.
It's now been changed. And so I don't know if
any medical schools who actually still say the Hippocratic oath.
But right around the time that sexual ethics were changing
(05:27):
and abortion was starting to be promoted, clearly medical ethics
had to change to train medical professionals to abortions, and
it was very very intentionally changed.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
It would it be more precise to say that medical
ethics had to be abandoned.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Well, that's you know, there are parts of medical ethics
that I think have dayed. But the part about you know,
patient autonomy being primary as opposed to doing the good
and not harming, and the fact that an obstetricy have
two patients. We've always known we have two patients. Really
do take precedence for the mother's life if we can
(06:07):
only say one life unless she says otherwise. But with abortion,
it's changed from in that circumstance we're supposed to pretend
we only have one patient. But some of the other
ethical things like not doing harm, doing the good being,
just doing informed consent, those ethics are still there, but
specifically the ones about life and death particularly changed.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Well for lay people like me, when we think of
the hipocritic oaths, we think of one thing, do no harm,
and it seems like that's at the core of medical ethics.
Don't use your god given skills and abilities to.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Go do harm.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
But in order to cater to the political wins, you're
telling us that the hippocritic oaths now isn't used at
any medical school you know, And isn't it because of
that one line, Because politically, now that the political winds
are that doctors should be able to do harm, they
should be able to kill, and so the core of
(07:06):
the hippocratic oaths is aborted.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, that's where the definitions become really important, because harm
has been redefined that the patient didn't get what they wanted.
So access access means choice. You know, they don't get
access to their choice in this specific circumstance, because we
still use medical necessity for everything else, and we still
(07:31):
try to do the good and not harm people and
be fair. So the other ethics are in place. You know,
they do say in oaths, and you've got a minute,
I can tell you briefly what they say in that
new oath. There are two of them that are common.
One of them is written by doctor Lasagna, and it says,
most especially, I must tread with care and matters of
life and death. If it's given to me to save
(07:53):
a life all things, but it may also be within
my power to take a life. This awesome response fability
must be faced with great humility and awareness of my frailty.
Above all, I must not play it God, which I
don't know about you, but my deafin is one of
the things that's in God's purview is life and death.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
But it isn't that guy just saying that, oh no,
I can go ahead and take a life. I've just
got to I've just got to be humble about it.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
That's right, that's right, and I can't play God, but
it's playing God and the other one. This is pretty brief.
It's called the Oath of the Healer, and in that
section it says, I shall always have the highest respect
for human life, and remember it is wrong to terminate
a life in certain circumstances permissible and thumb in an
act of supreme love in others. So you know that
(08:40):
tells you the progression that medicine has said, actually abortion
can be an act of supreme love, which you know
I find that frightening.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's sick. I mean, I think personally it's sick.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
And listen, generally speaking, I have the greatest respect for
doctors and for the medical profession. I'm grateful for all
it's done for me in my life family. But the
people who decide to take their God given skills and
use it to kill for money, they're the worst of
the worst.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Well that is in and I agree having been in
that place. You know, I think there are hippocratic professionals still,
and I'm actually part of an organization which has a
chapter here in Colorado of pro life medical professionals that
do not use death as a therapeutic option. It's called
the American Association of Pro Life obqi INS and it's
(09:29):
hoping for every medical professional doesn't have to be Obgan's,
but we're the medical voice that is really trying to
defend both of our patients and get the real evidence
out there.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Well, but you see, that's why you're a hero, and
that's why you're so effective, because you were doing that
and then you faced it and you not only stopped it,
but you went public and said, yeah, I used to
do that and it's wrong. And here's why. To me,
that's the definition of both heroism and effectiveness. So I'm
glad you're here. I'm glad you do that. I'm glad
we do this weekly segment. And what do you want
(10:01):
to talk about next week?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, I know that doctor Peril had some difficulty with
the connection last week. We can talk more about prenatal element. Yeah,
and I would love to talk about some of the
A lot of news reports are coming out about abortion
that I know are confusing people, especially to fear about
women dying if we don't have unrestricted abortion, And I'd
(10:26):
love to talk about that. Is there any questions.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Let's do that.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, and let's start taking some listener questions. And I
think every time you come on the show and you
talk about the medical reality of prenatal development. Otherwise, when
life begins as medical fact, I think that either lives
are saved that day or the foundation is laid for
saving lives. So thank you for doing that, doctor, and
we'll catch you next week.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Thank you so much, Stan, have a great week.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Take care of that. Is that doctor, Catherine Wheeler. Boy,
she's doing a lot of good. Glad you're here.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Three or three someone three, two, five to five. How
does the Musk Trump feud end? And how much damage
is being done in the meantime you're on the Dan
Kaplas show.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
See that.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I don't think there's any doubt whatsomever that this was
orchestrated by Elon Musk because for probably business reasons, personal reasons,
he needs a clear separation.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
From the president. So I think that's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Obviously it's gotten ugly and with Musk now coming out
and it's a real defamatory statement, not legally defamatory. As
a smart guy, he protected himself, but this statement that
Trump's not releasing the Epstein files because he's in him.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You know that's untrue.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
On its face, because if there was anything bad in
the Epstein files about Trump, Biden would have released him.
So yeah, Trump's mentioned, but in a good way because
he borrowed Epstein from Mario Laga. So yeah, I think
this is calculated on Musk's part. He needs that separation.
I mean, you could see what the politics of it
was doing to test Lie can see that as a shareholder,
(12:11):
very very small shareholder. But yeah, so that's what's going on,
and it's getting very ugly at the moment, and the
left gets to go have their little orgy over it,
and fine, I don't think to the typical voter's going
to matter. Here's where it could hurt, where it could
hurt his Musk's money, because I listen, I don't think
Trump won because of Musk's money. You don't go sweep
(12:33):
all those swing states and everything else unless unless you
Donald Trump have that appeally one in sixteen without Musk money.
I think Musk money helped, and I think more importantly,
Musk money could transform the GOP in close races around
the country. So you know, let's hope that comes back
at some point three or three someone three eight, two, five,
five takes d An five seven, seven three nine. If
(12:56):
you miss the last segment, please pick it off the
podcast because when doctor Catherine Wheeler joins us each week,
I think is some of the most important pro life
conversation out there because it's medically based. She's a medical
doctor who used to do abortions, so we talk about
medical realities, and the more people learn the medical truths,
the fewer abortions there are, and the more people who
(13:17):
become pro life.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
You know, the tremendous gains made by the pro life movement,
they've been stunning in American history over the decades.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Have been a.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Combination of people like my late mom and many other
great heroes who have worked relentlessly to save innocent life
and to do it through the political process, directly at clinics, etc.
And then ultrasounds because people could see, oh, they're lying
to me when they say it's a clumpet tissue, that's
that's my child. So that's why nobody's ever said, hey, man,
(13:49):
look at my fetus when they give somebody an ultrasound.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So it's great to have her on each week.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And if you didn't hear this week, please do pick
it off the pod and send it to people who
you think may be interested, which hope Flee would be
pretty much everybody. Thanks again to Sheriff Steve and John
for covering me while I was in trial this week.
One of the really cool things, right, I don't know
if you and I talked about it. One of the
really cool things about the trial this week. First and foremost,
(14:15):
a jury work so hard and did justice for a
wonderful waitress who'd been badly injured. And now we'll have
the opportunity in life that she should after she was
hurting this horrible crash caused by a lift driver. But
I got to try the case with my new partner,
John Kellner, the former DA elected DA in a Rapa
(14:38):
Ho and his right hand man in a rapo, Tom Burns,
both officers Marine Corps and Navy, Tom and John.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
But I got to try the.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Case with them, and it was so cool because they
are so good and it was just.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
A thrill to try that case with them.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And one of the cool things afterwards was a juror
came out, and a juror came up to us in
the hallway and said, I stand there with John and
Tom and just said, hey, thank you, thank you. It
was so cool to get to see you guys be
so professional. And I know that sounds self serving because
(15:18):
it is, but first, the juror just a tremendous, impressive,
wonderful human. But also John and Tom really are that,
and so to get to try their first Sibyl case
with them too, and their first civil case is a
multimillion dollar jury verdict, which was great to see. Three
or three someone three eight two five five texts d
A N five seven seven three nine Dan. Here it
(15:41):
is another Friday, and people are speeding through red lights.
Impatience makes people drive like jerks. I'm tired of it.
I love somebody who's looking ahead. I mean, it is
still Thursday, right. I'm a little out of whack because
I've been in trial so often over last month.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
But no, he's right, He's right, And I don't want
to go off on the typical rant.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
But the reality is our roads are killing fields right
now because the Left is undermining law enforcement and the
left is refusing to pass laws which will make tougher penalties,
and you have so many people killed through recklessness on
the roadway and the killers face very very little consequence.
Not always, but often, and that's often the fault of
(16:24):
Colorado law.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Dan, I think that Trump Elon ref has staged.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
How else do you win back that ev consumer base
and recoup the stock price.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I wouldn't say it's staged. I would say that Elon
made the.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Decision to do this for the reasons I mentioned that,
for the purpose of his company long term, as well
as maybe some stuff in.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
His personal life.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
He needed a public separation from Trump, and I think
that he's made sure. It's very flamboyant, so it cannot
be missed.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Could Elon be deported back to South Africa? No, and
I'm glad for that because while I'm a supporter of President,
the man shouldn't be deported. Elon Musk has done tremendous
things for this nation. I don't agree with him on
every issue, obviously, but he's done tremendous things so this nation,
my lord. One of the greatest contributions to free speech
(17:14):
since the Revolutionary War is Elon Musk buying Twitter. I mean,
he has made so many contributions. But no, he has
legal status. He was naturalized many many decades ago.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Dad.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Liberals don't pay attention to the news, and if they do,
liberal outlets don't report migrant crimes.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
So they.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
They just know of the illegal immigrants they know of,
such as this person is saying in long form, house cleaner, etc.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I think there's a lotitude to that.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Because so much of the media in Colorado is an
extension of the Democratic Party, not all there are noble exceptions,
thank goodness, but they don't report in depth the things
that polists and the Democrats are doing to actively actively
recruiting legals to Coloradore knowing that some of those will
be rapist and murders and terrorists.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
The climate of fear we're in where so many people
who are in a range of different statuses are being targeted,
often in haphazard ways, and obviously we've talked a lot
about them. Now due process, this procedure will go forward,
and if the individuals don't have any basis for staying here,
they can be removed as long as the procedure goes
forward under the rule of law, under due process of law.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
That's our system.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
It's so Phil Wiser goes on CNN to talk about
the Trump administration's effort to remove the family of the
Boulder terrorist and deport them, which obviously should happen, right.
I mean, that's the biggest no brainer in the history
of Earth. And you know that is on the terrorist himself.
So how could anybody are you with that? So why
(19:01):
does Wiser even go on CNN and then try to
dance around the question, right, Because he doesn't want to say, oh, no, no,
they shouldn't be deported because this is probably like.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
A ninety nine to one issue in Colorado right now,
or among any sane people.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
But bot he knows the big money and the power
in the Democratic Party is on the far far crazy,
goofy radical left, and so he wants to appease them.
Let me for us ask you about that federal decision
to detain the family and apparently very shortly to remove
them from the United States.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
What is your view of that?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
My view is it's critical that our immigration system work
under the rule of law, according everyone due process of law.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So I just want to stop here because this gets
a little technical, and I know you're probably in the car.
So he starts by saying, oh no, no, it's got
to be rule of law and due process. But listen carefully.
He'll soon acknowledge that this expedited deportation deeper is constitutional.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Expedite to removal is a rare, but it's a constitutional procedure.
The critical fact of immigration system is we have a
backlog of over a million people who.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
So look into what he's reduced to an argument that, Okay,
we've got a terrorist who's been living in our midst
and like so many folks here illegally, probably essentially recruited
to Colorado by all the goodies that pull us in
the left hold out for people to come to Colorado illegally,
including driver's licenses. Now your first day here, and so yeah,
(20:38):
any same person would say it is far more important
to get that family out of this state right now
than to just take the next person in line for deportation.
But now Wiser's trying to argue, no, they have to
wait their turn, They have to deport all these other
millions first before the family of the terrorist.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
On true like this, who haven't yet actually been deported.
That's where our focus should be when we talk about immigration, right.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Right, So the focus should be there.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Okay, so we know we have this terrorist, and we
know that he wanted it to be a mass shooting right,
But he couldn't buy a gun in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Because he's here illegally.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
But his attempt to buy a gun illegally apparently didn't
get acted on. Is at the fault of the police administration,
is at the fault of Biden.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
We got to get to the bottom of that.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
But no, So why did Wiser even go on CNN
because he's he's trying to be credible in this governor's race.
But I think everybody watching knows he has no chance.
And even though he's actually more accomplished than Michael Bennett,
he shouldn't be governor because of his bad ideas. And
he's not the people's lawyer, because is he going to
go into court and do something for the people. And
(21:53):
then you look at all the things he does legally
which are the opposite of what the people's lawyers should do. No,
but but he is accomplished. He did clerk for US
Supreme Court justices, etc. So he is more accomplished than
Michael Bennett, who is completely thoroughly unaccomplished. But Bennett's going
to be their nominee. So I think Wiser is trying
(22:15):
to stay high profile enough to be able to be
enough of a threat to Bennett to get some implicit
understanding that he's going to get the Senate appointment when
in the minds of the Democrats, inevitably Bennett becomes governor.
I think there's a little chicken counting going on there,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
That's what you want to call it. I mean, what
would you call it.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I call it a horribly run gubernatorial campaign that's completely
tone deaf, and that even people left of center that
are watching him on CNN spout this nonsense.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
You got to keep coming back to this point.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Nan, the guy firebombed Jews in Boulder, he does not
deserve due process. He and yes, his entire family, deserve
a boot in the buns right.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Across the board. Well, no questions asked. That's the end
of it. Let me quib here a bit, my friend.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Okay, one of the great things right about America is
even the most heinous criminal. And he is the most
heinous criminal that this Boulder terrorist who wanted to burn
alive juice, right, he is the most heinous criminal. He's
in that category in our system, even they get due process.
(23:26):
And I don't want this heinous terrorist deported. I want
him to rot in a jail cell for the rest
of his days if the FEDS don't end up killing him,
and I don't think they're I don't think any of
the victims are going to die. We hope they don't.
But yeah, I want him to rot in a jail
cell here. I don't want him to be deported to
(23:46):
Egypt where maybe he ends up free somewhere.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Give this example of my show. I'll make it real quick.
My dad had a chance to take a job in Australia.
I was four years old when this happened. If I'd
gone there with my family and my dad lost his
mind and decided to fire bomb Aborigines and said death
to all Aborigines, and the Australian government said get the
hell out and take your kids and your.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Family with you. I don't see a problem with that whatsoever.
Very creative example. It's a very specific and real exam right, right.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But all I'm saying is we agree it's the biggest
no brainer in the history of the Earth that you
don't leave the terrorist family here. So why can't Wiser
just say that, right and just say get him out
of here? And it's because the Left is I'm sure
every bone in his body wants to say that.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
But one of the reasons he shouldn't be attorney generally
he shouldn't be governor is he doesn't have the courage
to speak the truth. He's just beholden to these far left,
radical fringe elements that control the party.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
And foreshadowing, because we have a very cool guest coming
on tomorrow at five oh six, Yes, and he is
included and cut twenty eight speaking on this very issue.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
We love foreshadowing and we love very subtle hints like
that one.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Let me just read for you, Scottland.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
You can respond what the attorney for the family said,
wishing individuals, including children as young as four years old,
for the purported actions that their relatives is a feature
of medieval justice systems or police state dictatorships, not democracies.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Is this family in the country legally or not? Actually,
I'm not sure. Now they came in up.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
And obviously in the household you have extreme radicalism that
has now led to the literal burning of American citizens
on the streets of this country and a clear act
of domestic terrorism. And so again we have an individual
district court judge stepping in here to try to prevent
the commander in chief of the United States from protecting
(25:39):
Americans from a clear invasion of radicalism.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
That's number one.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Number two regarding the travel ban, he has a great reason.
These countries don't vet people, they don't share information people
who come from these countries, which all, by the way,
the link is the governments are essentially failed states. They're
not functioning, and so they overstay their visas. All of
these countries present massive problems for our own government when
trying to figure out who's coming here, why, and how
(26:04):
long they're going to stay and what are they going
to do when they get here. We have had an
awakening in this country of the abuse of the visa system.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
If you're our visa, you'll have a right to be here.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
You're a guest in this country, and we've seen a
number of our guests turn on actual Americans need six.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
And let's hope this is a big issue in the
Colorado governor's race, in the Colorado Senate race. Let's hope
that is a big issue, because it should be. And
I've been saying it for a long time. Ryan, you
know that, And I'm going to tell him this tomorrow.
I'm sure it'll really matter to him. But he is
presidential material. Scott Jennings is presidential material. And can you
(26:39):
imagine seeing any of these cats in a debate against whoever.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
The DEM's put up next time in twenty eight You.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Know, whether it's j D or Marco or Jennings or
DeSantis or any of these people, they got a ton
of talent. But yeah, he's going to be with us
tomorrow at five zero six. Oh you know what I
want to see, Ryan, get Phil.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Wiser on the show so I can ask him this.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
If he's so hept up on keeping the family of
the terrorists in Colorado illegally, they're here illegally, then maybe
we can reach this accommodation. They move in with him,
or they move into the governor's mansion with polists, maybe
we could get that accommodation. Yeah, yeah, I don't hear
(27:23):
that offer being made. And you know the other thing
you don't see. You have all these phonies, all these
elected Democrat phonies, whether they're Polis or Wiser or Johnston
or all the rest of them. What I'd like to
see is open up your books, show us how much
money you have given out of your own account, to
(27:44):
help the newcomers.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I want to see that.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
How much money have they given out of their own accounts?
You know they've all got good money, some more than others.
How much have they given personally? They want to give
a lot of your money. How much have they given
person By the way, Mike Johnston, I realized this when
I got out of trial. Is he really on this
big defund the police kick looks like he is. We'll
talk about that too. You're on the Dan Kapli show,
(28:20):
living here illegally. How could anybody even try to make
an argument for that? Why can't Phil Wiser just say no?
They have to go.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Three or three?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Someone three eight, two, five five the number good news
for Republicans and our friend Gabe Evans, who is a
true star, young star in Congress, and that is did
you see that polling RNE out of cdaight, yea Derick
Caraveo who's running again, Ya, dere Caravello is leading by
a mile and two more credible candidates, credible from the
(28:49):
left perspective in today.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Primary the primary.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Right, That's my point, right, thank you for clarifying that.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I think we want her as the Democrat I think
she'll be easier for Gabe to beat.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
I was joking with Gabe Evans about this and that
she might try to move to his right politically, because
she keeps moving and moving in that direction, including toward
the end of her own term in the campaign against
Gabe and now in this primary.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I believe she is.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Running flanking right of these liberal Democratic candidates. Now, she
is a liberal Democrat, but this is kind of the
hill she has chosen.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, And the reason I think that she would be
easier for Gabe to beat and I really want to
see him win reelection, is because, first of all, you
beat her before, right, she just doesn't bring that much
to the table, but she has enough name recognition, et
cetera that she's probably in a position to win that primary. Second,
the Dems have started to hit attacks on her with
(29:45):
these leaks about a ledging that she had a couple
of perhaps suicide attempts during her first term, and these
appear to be Democrat generated hits.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Stories on her.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I don't know if they're true or not, but but yes,
so we've got this dissension within the Democrat party and
I think all of that is good for Gabe and
I think it's real important for Colorado CD eight obviously,
and with conquers being so close to America that Gabe
get re elected. A great day for America from the
US Supreme Court today, a nine zip decision on something
(30:18):
really important, and Judge Brown Jackson wrote the unanimous opinion
for the Court, siding with I'll quote the ABC headline
straight Ohio woman who alleged reverse discrimination by gay employer,
and so, but it really was a race based thing
in the end, because what's been going on is you
have some circuits, some federal appellate court levels for different
(30:41):
parts of the country. In this case, the Sixth Circuit
governs includes Ohio, and so the Sixth Circuit, like some others,
have been saying, wait a second, if you're a white
person suing for job discrimination, you have a higher standard
to prove than if you're a person of color.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And so it's great to see.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
The US Supreme Court nine zips say no, no discrimination
based on race is wrong, no matter what your race is.
And so this was an important step in that direction today.
So kudos to a nine zip US Supreme Court. Texter
says Dan, how long before the Colorado Democrats are calling
(31:21):
this is one of the greater texts of the year.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Ne have you read this?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
How long before the Colorado Democrats are calling him the
Boulder terrorist, the Colorado Dad and trying to have margueritas
with him being the terrorist.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So Wiser was practically I know, I know you can't now.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Wiser was trying to watch some line, but just to suggest, oh, no,
we've got so many other folks deportation.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
You have to wait your place in line to be deported.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So you've had a terrorist here planning to do a
mass murder in Boulder, trying to burn our Jewish brothers
and sisters alive. And you say, his family, which by
the way, is here illegally, should be allowed to stay
another minute.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Well, he tried to come with these boiler plate kind
of checklist of terms from the talking points, and even
John Berman seeing and he goes, we well, wait a minute,
he's saying this is fear based, go after this guy.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Oh my lord, text day And I do think Musk
has a little bit of a chip on his shoulder.
He truly felt he was able to assist with and
contribute to saving the United States of America that he
loves Steely I think he was genuinely surprised by politicians'
reluctance to reduce spending. Listen, I think Elon Musk has
done tremendous good for this nation. We disagree on some things,
but he's done tremendous good for this nation. I think
(32:39):
what's going on here as Trump has I think what's
going on here is he needed for Tesla, for his
other businesses, for himself personally, he needed a clear public
separation from Trump, and.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That's what he set out to do.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
And the nastier this breakup gets, the more credible the
separation is. I would bet there's going to be personal
Kumbaya at some point. Whether we'll see it publicly or not,
I am not sure. So text that's too long. Thank you,
Dan loved John Kellner, Thank you for that text. I
was talking earlier about how cool it was this week
(33:13):
to go to trial with the John Kellner, the elected
DA in Arapo just finished his term and is now
the managing partner of our firm, and Tom Burns, his
right hand man, also a high ranking captain in the
US Navy, and we went to trial together in Adams.
I love Adams County. I love the courthouse. I love
the people, I love the jurors, and it was a
hard fought case and justice was done in this wonderful,
(33:35):
hard working waitress so badly injured by a lift driver
ends up, you know, with a very very substantial, multimillion
dollar award that will help her get her life back
on track. And to try it with John and Tom
and they are so good. It was just a really
cool experience. And to be part of their first civil
trial because they've been doing this criminal work forever and well,
(34:00):
anybody in the business knows, and I think anybody watches
TV knows an elite litigator is an elite litigator, and
both those guys are and it was really cool to
try that case with him.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
And so hey, thank it everybody. Sorry we're out of
time to date.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
It'll be great to have Scott Jennings on today tomorrow
five oh six. And I do think he's presidential material
and these skills he gets from CNN constantly debating these lefties.
Most of these politicians debate once or twice in their
lifetime if it's even a real debate. He's smart, he's skilled.
He'll be with us tomorrow at five oh six I'll
ask him, you know, is he going to run for president?
(34:37):
You're on the Dan Caplo Show.
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.