September 23, 2025 • 34 mins
Rep. Jarvis Caldwell (R-20) has assumed the reigns of House minority leader from the outgoing Rep. Rose Pugliese (R-14). He joins George Brauchler, in for Dan, to discuss his plan to move the Colorado Republicans forward in the chamber.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
George Brockler filling in for Dan Capls. Heck, he may
join us, we just don't know yet. I'll be here
for the duration of the hour, or at least still.
Dan comes in and much like a wrestling match, taps
me as I make my way over to the ropes,
and then he'll jump in and finish off the rest
of the hour. We have had some fantabulous texts that
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have come in off of the show. Five seven seven,
three nine. You just got to put Dan in there.
We talked a lot about the Charlie Kirk thing. I
tell you my concerns in the last hour, and that
was one the use of resources. I mean, I think
we're all thrilled they caught the guy who did this,
and I think people are probably pretty happy that they
know as much as they do about the case. I'm
frustrated by that as a prosecutor, because the goal isn't
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to convince America. We got the right and here's all
the evidence that supports it. The goal is to bring
this guy into custody, stick them in our criminal justice system,
provide him the due process he's entitled to under the Constitution,
and then if warranted, and it seems like it's warranted here,
dude needs to be convicted, and then a jury decides
whether or not to put a needle in his arm.
Or in Utah, I think they can do firing squad,
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at least they used to be able to. There's some
irony there, but that's just not what happened. We had
so much information vomited out there. And then the other
thing was the resources used.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Just is it disparate? Do we use this many resources?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Because Charlie Kirk was friends with the President and friends
with Cash Patel, and there was that weird moment where
Cash does his press thing and then says we have
the watch see you when Valhalla brother, I didn't understand
either of those things. Because we have the watch is
something you hear after they do the last dispatch call
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in a fallen officer's funeral. It's one of the most
gutching sequences of events, is they do all their talkie
talk stuff. Maybe you cry if the spouse gets up
and says something's a good buddy, the chief who knows.
But then they do the bagpipes, which is just I mean,
it just rips your heart out of your chest. Then
they do that last call and you hear them call
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out over the dispatch this person's call sign. No response.
They call back again, no response, and then they say
end up watch, and then you know.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Rest easy. We have the watch.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But that's for fallen officers, been in for anybody else,
maybe firefighters too, but that's not for you or for me.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
That's not for Charlie Kirk or anyone else. Man. It
was just weird.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And then the c Win Valhalla thing, I don't know.
I don't know what that's a reference to. It was
just it was just weirdness.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
But as the texts come in here too.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
By the way, you can give us a call and
we can have a conversation at three h three seven
to three eighty two fifty five three or three seven
one three eight two five five.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I do want to play a clip from you.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
There's honestly, there's really no chance that I figure out
how to do this.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
But I'm gonna try it.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I'm gonna double click, and then I'm gonna press the
space bar and some magic's gonna happen. But this took
place yesterday at the Charlie Kirk memorial down there in
Glendale that apparently eighty billion people showed up to years
from now by the way, politicians everywhere will claim to
have been there. You watch, this will be like some
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great sporting event where oh I was there when that happened.
This is gonna be one of those touchdowns for people
on the right. This is what Erica, his widow, said,
My husband.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Charlie, he wanted to save young men, just like the
one who took his.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Life, that young man, that young man on the cross.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Our saviors said, Father, forgive them, for they not know
what they do.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
That man, that young man, I forgive him.
Speaker 8 (04:51):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
That was era Erica Kirk. Charlie's widow. It blown away
by that. I couldn't get there from here. I don't
have the kind of heart and the kind of faith
that Erica has. And I would bet if Charlie Kirk
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had the ability to message us somehow down here, he
would agree right like he would find a way to
forgive this guy. If you ever watched him debate people
and take them on, it was never about denigrating them
or personal attacks or anything like that. My guess is
that he would be true to his faith and agree.
I couldn't get there from here if someone had murdered
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one of the members of my family or even a
close friend in this manner, it would take me a
long time to get there. I just don't have that
kind of forgiveness in me. And maybe that's part of
what makes me an effective prosecutor. Is I really divorce
myself from the idea of forgiveness because government isn't in
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the business of forgiveness. Governments in the business of justice
and accountability. I've seen this before, though. If you recall
way back on Friday the thirteenth, December the thirteenth, twenty thirteen,
a disgruntled eighteen year old senior at a rapa Hoe
High School, after legally purchasing a shotgun, let himself into
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an unsecured side door of a rapa Hoe High School
with the intent to murder a faculty member. And he
had written in sharpie on the inside. I believe of
his left arm. All these classrooms that he intended to
go to. Don't know who he was targeting, but he
had the classrooms written on his forearm, much like a
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quarterback might have plays when they're in the huddle. And
before he was able to get to the library to
rap a hoe, he was confronted by a completely innocent
woman named Claire Davis, who stood up from the bench
she was sitting on, and she said this guy's name
and said what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
And without any hesitation.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
He raised the shotgun and he shot and visited upon
her mortal wounds, wounds that would ultimately kill her. And
sometime this was in like I said, December the thirteenth.
She had lived.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
For a time in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Then, of course the gunman took his own life inside
the library when he got surrounded by the heroes, by
the SROs and security guards that.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Ran to the thunder.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
But it was maybe January the second, like right after that,
in twenty fourteen, that there was a giant memorial event
and I can't remember if it was at the coliseum,
but it was something like that hugely attended, I mean,
so many people. Their media covered this thing. And there
Claire's parents, Michael Davis and his wife were there and
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she could not bring herself to speak, and I totally
totally get that, but Michael did.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And Michael got up.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
There and started talking and at one point said, I
forgive the name of the shooter. And it was like
a gut punch to hear that, because I thought to myself.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
How.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Inferior my Christian heart is, how inferior my faith is,
how maybe even fraudulent it all is. That I can't
bring myself to even conceive how that is possible. Because
if someone murdered my daughter, my instant reaction, and probably
the one that would be as long lasting as anything,
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would be revenge. It would be anger. It would be
I'm going to end you and want to.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Seek your death.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And here with Charlie Kirk, not only does Erica Kirk
say I forgive you, which I man, if you're on
the journey towards being christ like, that seems like that
is way far ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Of where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
But more than that, when she's asked about the death penalty,
she says, I don't want his blood on my ledger.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I don't want to give you an opinion on this.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I want the government to make the decision and I
tell you as the DA who's had to make that
decision before on our Aurora Theater guy and on.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
A couple other cases. Man, that sucks.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You want the victim to give you their input. You
want the victim to pick a ya or an a,
and then you manage what you think is justice out
of that. But to just hear, hey, do what you
think is best.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
That's tough, man. That is a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
But have a significant amount of respect for Charlie Kirk's
widow to be able to take that position, because no
doubt it's the one that is the most Christian, and
no doubt I have a complete inability to get there
from here. But I'd love to take your calls on it.
Rush from littl and we'll get to you in just
a minute. We got to cut away for a quick
break here our number three O three seven to one
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three eighty two fifty five three oh three seven one
three eight two five five. We have text coming in
on this. We also have text coming in on our
last stuff. I'll get to those things as well, and
then at five thirty six we're going to be joined
with a guy named Jarvis Caldwell. He is the new
Rose Paglisi, including as I understand, the same shoes. No,
I'm kidding, he doesn't wear the same shoes. It's a
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Rose by any other name. His name is Jarvis. He'll
join us and we'll talk about what's gonna what's ahead
in the legislature. Until that time, you're listening to George
Brockler on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 9 (10:12):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast George.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Brockler filling and for Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
At five point thirty six, of course we're going to
be joined by Jarvis Caldwell. So many questions for Jarvis,
a few of them about his footwear. But if you've
got questions, you make sure you text him into us.
At five seven seven thirty nine, he is the new
House Minority leader. I think that means he represents all
of the people of color inside the Capitol.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
But Brian's going to look into that.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Hey, listen, here's here, here's here's that's not what that
that is, although it could include people of color for
certain Yeah, and that's not specifically exclusively.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Why would they say minority, Well, they're in.
Speaker 9 (10:55):
The lower number.
Speaker 10 (10:56):
Oh, it's only twenty two House seats got it feels
like discrimination once again.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Hey, listen, here's some text at five seven, seven thirty nine. George,
All you need to do is compare what happened with
the j sixers, who did nothing. They went after everybody,
including an old Colorado lady who prayed at the White House.
I actually, I appreciate the reference to January sixth and
all of the efforts that were taken to go crush
anyone who set foot on the Capitol grounds.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
That's what it sound sounded like.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I appreciate that that felt political. Yes, it could also
be justified as a defense of the capital for a
couple reasons.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I'm not telling you this is why they did it.
I'm not supporting this.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I'm saying I could see an argument where the they say, listen,
this was on a day that we were supposed to
ratify the election of the president, and the purpose, in
part of first some in storming the Capitol was to
prevent that from happening. That's an attack on our process,
on our governm I get that. I'm not sure we
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needed to go after every single person who set foot
on the Capitol grounds. That's a completely different thing. But
it's true we spent a significant amount of resources on that.
Do you think it would have been different if President
Trump had still been in the White House?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
And if so, is that a good difference? Very very interesting.
Here's another one.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
George completely agreed, it's hard to understand how forgiveness is
reached regarding the needless, egregious, horrific case of Charlie Kirk.
No criticism of Erica intended. I feel the same way.
I just can't get there. Like I am in awe
of Michael Davis and his wife, I'm in awe of
I'm in awe of anyone who can so quickly after
having been wronged in almost the worst possible way, almost,
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I mean, the death of a child would be far worse.
And that's why the Davises seemed so amazing to me,
that that you're able to work your way towards forgiveness.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It's I just can't.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I am not built to get there from here, not yet,
not yet. I have to have a better relationship with
the almighty, and I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Here's another one.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
If Patel honored Charlie as a all caps warrior and
chose his words differently than you might, who cares it
was Patel's way to honor except with love.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, respectfully, I disagree.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I don't think you just I mean, could the president
then say I'm gonna give him the Medal of Honor,
I'm going to extend to him some other military thing
because it's his way to honor him. I think there
are things that are appropriate and there are things that
seem out of place and over the top. And for me,
that one seems out of place and over the top.
And frankly, whatever he's trying to express about his friend,
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it was disrespectful to the first responders out there. That
is a very unique thing to say. And God blessed
Charlie Kirk and his family for what they've done and
what they're going through.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
They don't deserve it. They weren't it. They're not first responders.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Here's another one, Gibi, remember the resources put into the
Idaho murders. Yep, there were a lot of resources put
into the Idaho murders. That part was true, nothing like this.
I don't think we got DNA back with the twenty
four hours like in this case. But you're right, that's
a big one. Here's another. Charlie's assassination is similar to
the Martin Luther King assassination. He had a similar funeral. Okay, listen,
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I've heard this before. It's not as amazing as Charlie
Kirk was and all the things that he did, and
how social media is here and it wasn't here. For
he is not Martin Luther King, not in terms of impact,
not in terms of historic significance. And I'm going to
tell you that I think twenty years from now will
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remember Charlie Kirk nothing like Martin Luther King Junior. The
things that doctor King did are really not comparable to
any other non member of government that I can think
of in the last one hundred years. Can't think of
anyone who's done that. This guy helped lead a generation
out of segregation, right, whether it's the Letter from the
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Birmingham Jail, whether it's the Civil Rights Act of sixty four,
sixty eight, seventy two, all of those things, whether it
was the non violence movement that he preached. Yes, Charlie
Kirk was amazing. I'm not taking anything away from him,
But nowhere near the zip code of a Martin Luther
King Junior. A dude who got locked up, a dude
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who was part of marches where people got beaten and
dogs cut loose on them.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
It's just not the same thing. But I appreciate that text.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Here's when maybe releasing all that evidence was intended to
counter the crap that the leftist media was saying about
the shooter. It may have been, but that's not enough
of a reason to do it. You don't put evidence
out against a shooter because the freak shows on the
left of the media are out there spinning a false
narrative only to the extent that it could potentially interfere
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with picking a fair jury, and I'm not convinced that.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
It would have been. Here's another text at five seven
seven three nine. DOJFBI needs to be tight lipped about
an investigation? I agree. Here's one.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Explain what happened on January sixth with Jay six Ers.
I want to hear it. I want to hear your comparison. Well,
I'm not sure there's a perfect comparison, because one was
the murder of a private citizen.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Private citizen assassination in front of people on school grounds. Horrific,
public awful, political awful. This other one could be described
as and I think that's how they did it in
court as an attack on our government and on the system.
I'm not telling you that's what I think. I'm telling
you that's how it was spun, and it involved more
than one person. Kind of crazy stuff that went on there.
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And especially since we're still dealing with this, uh three
or three seven one, three eighty two fifty five is
our phone number on this particular case.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Something else.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
While I was in the process of writing a column
for the Denver Gazette, definitely check out the Gazette at
Denver Gazette dot com, Orgazette dot com.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Best reporting that's out there.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I was writing a column on this, on all this
information that got dumped out to the public stream and
how risky I think it is for the prosecution to
have this floating out there, because there's rules of professional
there's professional rules of conduct that govern all the other responding.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Agencies to a DA in a case, DA.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Is not just responsible for themselves, so responsible for investigators too.
And then lo and behold the District attorney for Utah County,
just south ish of Salt Lake City.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
His name is Jeff Gray.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Good dude, not not a big time courtroom prosecutor, but
a smart guy and a guy who's been DA for
a while, and I think.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
A trusted voice out there.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
He ends up having that press conference where they revealed
the charges, and during the process of revealing the charges,
I swear to god, he read like a ten page
dissertation of the facts of the case, not an indictment,
which is different.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
An indictment can be unsealed.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
By the court and the public can have access to that.
It wasn't an affidavit, it was something else. It was
just like ten page description of the investigation. And I thought, man,
maybe Utah does it differently. I talked to a prosecutor
out of Salt Lake over the weekend, military dude, and
his answer was, no, we don't do it differently. That's
just how they did it. Very interesting when we come back.
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Jarvis Caldwell and his Shoes. George Brockler filling in for
Dan Caplis.
Speaker 9 (18:23):
You're listening to the Dan Caplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
George Brockler back with you, filling in for Dan Caplis.
Some changes under the Gold Dome that could impact future legislation,
maybe even the entire session coming up here next year.
Pleased to have on the phone a great friend under
the gold Dome, someone who could always be a voice
of reason on the House Judiciary Committee, and someone who
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witnessed some of the wackiest statements made by other elected
officials across the aisle.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
His name is Jarvis Caldwell. Thanks for joining us, sir, Hey.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
George, thanks so much for having me on. That's a
bit of an understatement, the wackiest statements under the gold dime,
But you're absolutely correct.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Looka, you got to see them every day. I just
remember being there for the one that the last bill
I testified on last session was the Hey, what about
the idea that if you rape a child you should
have to go to prison and not forever?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
It wasn't even forever. It was like a minimum of
two years.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And I think everybody on the Republican side was like duh.
And I think the comments were like that, We're like,
I can't believe this isn't the law already. And then
we got to hear people like Antifa, Garcia and some
of the others say these crazy things like I will
never vote to put someone in cages, and I thought,
you know, here's the funny thing. Call it whatever you want.
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Some people need to be in cages. We put things
in people in cages to protect us from them. But men,
you have listened to that for years now.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean the House Judiciary Committee is why
we're the number two most dangerous state in the entire
country because of things like that. You know, seventy percent
of child rapists get off with probation because of the
laws that we have. And then when we have to
listen to Democrats on how judiciary say, well, you know,
when you put people in prison, it actually makes them worse.
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And you're like, well, what's worse than a child rapist?
What are you talking about right now?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Right?
Speaker 8 (20:27):
You know, and then they want to lower the penalties
for attempted murder, you know, the remember the bad shot bill.
I believe you may have testified on that one. You know,
if you if you shoot into a crowd and you
miss someone, and and so we you know, because of
the outside pressure and pressure from the DA's as well,
we were able to actually get them to kill that bill.
So that was a win for us. But that bill
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is going to come back. I already know it, and
I've already heard the rumblings of it.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Oh, and that's coming back it's coming back. We've even
had conversations about it at the District Attorney's Council.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
And I don't know, man, I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
You're going to get unity there with CDAC because some
of the things that they anyway, it's probably a conversation
for AU three or how the sausage?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You mean?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Can I ask a couple of questions since I have
you now on the radio, looking at your background, and
people should know this and appreciate this.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
You are a veteran.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You have deployed it looks like, to Afghanistan, to Korea
and of course war torn England.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Thank you for that sacrifice.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
That was the most dangerous apployment.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
But I think the thing that everyone wants to know
is why couldn't you get in the army?
Speaker 8 (21:31):
Ah? Well, I.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Oh god?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Because you're an Air Force guy, which is fitting because
your district covers the Air Force Academy and all those
surrounding communities that supported as well. Listen, you were recently
elected by your peers to take over for Rose Peglici
as the House minority leader.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
What's wrong with you? Man? Why would you want to
do that?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Like, weren't you content to just getting punches thrown at
the House Judiciary Committee and the other committees you're on.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
What made you say I'm going to herd? These they're
not just cats, Jarvis.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
These are cats on math on fire, right, Like, how
are you hurting them?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Well?
Speaker 8 (22:13):
You know, I think the dirty figure it is is
that I was recently made ranking member of Judiciary Committee
and getting elected Minority leader was the only way I
could get off of that committee.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Oh what were they replacing you with?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
It?
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Yeah, well that's the decision I'm gonna have to make
as minority leader. So that's something we're going to discuss
in the near future. But you know, the reality is
is this we're in a moment right now in the
States and chaos. And I know people like to focus
on like the federal level, but there's one party control
here in Colorado, and it's not the Republican it's the Democrats.
You know, we had a one point two billion dollar
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budget deficit during the regular session, and then the same
thing for the special session, and then now we're looking
at a one point five billion dollar budget deficit coming
into this next session that starts in January. And then
you add on top of it, happened, you know, the
strategy with Charlie Kirk and just people are. I think
they're waking up more now than ever before. And we're
in a moment in history that we just can't pass up.
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And so my goal is to bring all the factions together,
get us all on the same team, and say, listen,
we slipped three seats thanks to rosek Gleasy and Ty
Winter this last election cycle. We're going to hold those
seats and we're going to flip at least three more.
And that's the goal going forward. And anybody who's not
getting on board with that, they're not part of the solution.
They're part of the problem. Now.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Listen, And I heard you interviewed on one of our
sister shows out here with some good friends of ours,
and one of the questions they asked, and I think
it's important to discuss is, Look, the process of becoming
the House minority leader means that other people that ran
didn't win. And there's already talk of potentially potentially some
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fissures within our already too small, you know, delegation within
the House.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
How do you how do you bridge that gap?
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Yeah, I mean, the fact of the matter is is
we agree in principle on the same issues, right, and
so it's like, guys, we're on the same team. We
agree on these same issues. We may have some differences
on how we approach and how we want to fight it,
but let's come to the table. And Rose Touglici was
great at bringing everybody to the table, making them to included,
and then saying, hey, listen, do you have an idea
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that's better than the idea that this person has or
that I have? And then as a caucus we go okay,
and sometimes we'll vote on it. We'll say that's the
strategy going forward. So I'm going to give everybody that opportunity.
That's just how I am. And so that won't change
as far as the way Rose ram the caucus and
the way I'll run it.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
We're talking with Jarvis Caldwell, veteran of not the army
but also the new House Minority leader representative called, well,
how in the world are you going to get us
those extra seats? We need to close the gap on
some of these committees.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Absolutely, So you know, here's the thing is is we
all like to get bogged down on the day to
day inside the Capitol, but ninety nine percent of people
don't see the little things going on inside of the capitol.
We have to win outside of the capital. And so
I like to think that with this path session, I
did fairly well at bringing attention to like really horrible
legislation like house built thirteen twelve, like the transgender anti
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printal rights build. And so I'm going to use those skills.
I have to message outside the building and get that
message to voters. And the reality is is politics cost money,
and so if anybody wants to help us, please help
us out, because it takes money to get the messages
outside the building in front of the voters. And so
that's one of my number one goals right now going forward.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
How do people get you the money if they want to,
Like they're listening right now at live or a podcast,
is there some website they go to or what are
they googling?
Speaker 8 (25:47):
Well, the fundraising aspect is something we're going to be
discussing this week as a team and then so I'll
have more information for you going forward right there. But
the easiest way to start is find local candidates that
have the values that you have and support them. And
you know, it's always kind of election season when you're
in the House of Representatives, and so there's already people
in your local communities either running for reelection or that
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they're jumping into races and for open seats or against
a member of the Democrat Party, and so support your
local candidates. That's how you can start.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
First another question, this one is close to what we're
talking about, but it's not under the Gold Dome. Next Saturday,
we have a state Central Committee meeting, and I imagine
you're right now saying, please, for the love of God,
do not put me on the spot on this, But
I think it's I think it's important. Yeah, And that
is we're going to vote to decide whether or not
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to withdraw from the current state primary system and hold
an assembly of fifty people inside someone's garage, or if
we're going to stay in the current system. You don't
have to take up arms against this unless you already
have a public position. But from my standpoint, these are
the things that are what a majority party goes through,
right like a minority part should be.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
How do we grow our ranks, how do we unify?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And it seems like at every opportunity we're in the
process of saying if you think this is a minority,
watch what we do next, you know what I mean, Like,
we can be smaller than this. Any thoughts on that
as you head into this thing.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
Yeah, absolutely, So.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
I just want to make clear I understand both sides
of the argument, but I very much like Trump's approach
in twenty twenty four, which was we need to grow
the tent. And I mean he grew the tent so
much he had Democrats, you know like RFK and Tulci
Gabber come into him and saying, you know what, I'm
sick of the Democrat Party. And what the concern is
of opting now and changing the system that we currently
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have is those unaffiliated which make up a majority of
the vote in Colorado, they're only going to get one
ballot if we do this, and they're going to get
the Democrat ballot. And so we need to grow the tent,
not shrink it. And that's where I stand on it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Jarvis Caldwell, newly minted House Minority leader, Man, I hope
and I won't always be here it's Dan Shree, but
I hope you're able to come on all the time
and talked about the victories that we have some little,
hopefully a lot big as we head into this crazy
legislative session in twenty six.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
Absolutely, I'm always happy to come on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
George, go army man. Thanks for thanks for coming. Talk
to you later. Brother.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Hey, that was Jarvis calledwell cool cat, good dude. Listen
to Our text line is five seven seven three nine.
You go ahead, and Texas you can also call three
h three seven one three eighty two fifty five. I'm
trying to square away just one more last minute interview
as we wrap up this session. I don't think Dan's
going to make it in. I don't know what manju means,
but that was a text.
Speaker 10 (28:39):
Literally, I asked him, Hey, Dan, Eta, what's going on here?
He texts me back the following man jew m A
N space ju. And I had to read that like
Dennis Miller, Manju babe.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And then you looked it up and it's some delicious
Japanese treat it is.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
It looks phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
It's like red bean.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
Pace, but it's a dessert item.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Look, next time I fill in, next time we do
the sheriff in the DA Let's get some obviously, with
the radio medicine that Kelly provides, we're gonna we're gonna
cut away for a break. More come back, we're gonna
wrap up the session. Here your thoughts, my thoughts, Shorte
Brocklers filling in for Dan Caplis.
Speaker 9 (29:18):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
That's what it's for, Jervis Well, there it is Representative Caldwell,
the anthem for your branch formerly known as the Army
Air Corps.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Excited to have them.
Speaker 9 (29:47):
Oh, that's a historical dig you just got in, of course.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I mean, look, the Army is the senior service, and
let's be honest, no war can be won without us
because no other branch can hold land like we can.
And that is that's the basis for victory historically. Nonetheless,
thrilled to have House Minority Leader and Rose Paglisi Impersonator
Jarvis Caledwell on. Now listen, I want to tell you
(30:11):
what took place behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
We were trying to get Graham Brockler. If the name
sounds related to mine, it's because he's my youngest son.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
He's fifteen.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
The big deal.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
We had Kelly call him.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
He had a texted earlier that he was interested in
somehow talking on the radio. But here's what I want
to get to, and I want to get your guys
opinion on this. Do you remember back in high school
asking that special someone to homecoming?
Speaker 9 (30:38):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Okay, Iver asked anybody.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
Girl?
Speaker 9 (30:44):
The girls do? Let the guys talk here?
Speaker 10 (30:48):
Where are the ones at the we have to put
ourselves on the line. My gosh, the rejection at that level,
the rejection is. And so Ryan, do you remember how
you did it and how much anger you had building
up to the moment where you finally did this thing. Yeah,
it was kind of like jumping without a parachute to
borrow your Army Air Corps reference there and just go
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for it, try to make a self deprecating joke.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
And it worked. It worked for okay, okay, nice?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
And was it just you came up to them in
class after class hallway men's room?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Where was it?
Speaker 9 (31:23):
Classes?
Speaker 10 (31:23):
So it gives her limited time to respond, so she's
not necessarily going to go, look, I'm.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Going to think about it. It's like, well had on
the spot and it's on purpose.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
And that's kind of like along these lines like, look,
I know the last guy you'd want to go to
the homecoming gait.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (31:37):
Yeah, but if you don't have a date yet, would
you consider settling for.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Me something like that? That you've over sold it? Obviously
you were really First of.
Speaker 11 (31:46):
All, I got I got asked out from and homecoming
and everything.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
For the notes via notes yeah, Vin class box, yes or.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
No kind of note?
Speaker 11 (32:00):
No.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
No, it was like where you fold up the paper
in the you know, the little things I'm missing those.
Speaker 11 (32:09):
No, it was it was passed up the aisle, oh man,
and so many people saw it before I did.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Oh, that doesn't seem super courageous face to face for ja.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yes, you said yeah in the note and sent the
note back.
Speaker 11 (32:28):
Well, no, I actually kept the note. And then after
the class I went up to him and I'm and
we high fived, and I'm like, yeah, I'll go with it.
Speaker 10 (32:36):
Five.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
This guy later became I.
Speaker 11 (32:39):
Mean I was in like, you know, I was like
a sophomore.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
What am I going to do?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
So Graham's a sophomore. Graham's fifteen. He's going to turn
sixteen in November. He'll get his license and I'll never
see him again. But until that time, he's telling.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Me about he asked a young lady.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
To homecoming Today and that's why I wanted to have
him on the radio, to have this conversation.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Then to embarrass the hell out of him. He is
a life scout.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
So he had been in competition with his brother, swore
he'd get Eagle first. He got to life first, and
then just kind of got distracted by things like sports
and stuff, girls and girls. Nonetheless, when I'm talking to
him about asking this young lady out, I'm like, you
just have the course to go up to her basically
what Ryan did. And he said, no, No, that's not
how it's done anymore.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
You got to have props and stuff, like you got
to have flowers, you got to have a stuffed animal.
You gotta have it.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I'm like, what are You're not proposing marriage right?
Speaker 8 (33:32):
Like?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
This isn't like would you go steady with me for
the rest of your life? Like what in the hell
is going over?
Speaker 11 (33:37):
A complete thing? My daughter went through it that she
got no when she got asked to prom it was
a whole deal, like a whole flash mob kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
And then yeah, and the.
Speaker 11 (33:52):
Guys were you know, there were like four of them
and they were kind of dancing in the middle of the.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
It was choreographed. Yeah, Kelly, Yeah, what is going on?
I listen.
Speaker 11 (34:04):
I graduated in nineteen ninety with a freaking note, okay
asking me to prom All right, so let's just forward.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
This just seems like it's gotten out of control. And
I don't know if this is the influence of social media,
because I think it is, but this has gotten out
of control. It's one dance when you're fifteen.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
And I tried to.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Tell him that short of something miraculous, right, like, you're
never gonna see these people again. Maybe one or two
best friends that hang out with you for a while,
but otherwise just take have guts to ask. But we're
not gonna get Graham on for this. Maybe when we
come back some other day if Dan lets us back.
Speaking of that, Dan Caplis will be back tomorrow to
take over the helm.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Breathe a sigh of relief.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
The big man's back, Kelly, Ryan, thanks for everything, including
the radio medicine that people can't see. But it was delicious.
George Brockler on The Dan Caplas Show.
This is Dan Kaples and welcome to today's online podcast edition
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
George Brockler filling in for Dan Capls. Heck, he may
join us, we just don't know yet. I'll be here
for the duration of the hour, or at least still.
Dan comes in and much like a wrestling match, taps
me as I make my way over to the ropes,
and then he'll jump in and finish off the rest
of the hour. We have had some fantabulous texts that
(00:34):
have come in off of the show. Five seven seven,
three nine. You just got to put Dan in there.
We talked a lot about the Charlie Kirk thing. I
tell you my concerns in the last hour, and that
was one the use of resources. I mean, I think
we're all thrilled they caught the guy who did this,
and I think people are probably pretty happy that they
know as much as they do about the case. I'm
frustrated by that as a prosecutor, because the goal isn't
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to convince America. We got the right and here's all
the evidence that supports it. The goal is to bring
this guy into custody, stick them in our criminal justice system,
provide him the due process he's entitled to under the Constitution,
and then if warranted, and it seems like it's warranted here,
dude needs to be convicted, and then a jury decides
whether or not to put a needle in his arm.
Or in Utah, I think they can do firing squad,
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at least they used to be able to. There's some
irony there, but that's just not what happened. We had
so much information vomited out there. And then the other
thing was the resources used.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Just is it disparate? Do we use this many resources?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Because Charlie Kirk was friends with the President and friends
with Cash Patel, and there was that weird moment where
Cash does his press thing and then says we have
the watch see you when Valhalla brother, I didn't understand
either of those things. Because we have the watch is
something you hear after they do the last dispatch call
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in a fallen officer's funeral. It's one of the most
gutching sequences of events, is they do all their talkie
talk stuff. Maybe you cry if the spouse gets up
and says something's a good buddy, the chief who knows.
But then they do the bagpipes, which is just I mean,
it just rips your heart out of your chest. Then
they do that last call and you hear them call
(02:19):
out over the dispatch this person's call sign. No response.
They call back again, no response, and then they say
end up watch, and then you know.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Rest easy. We have the watch.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But that's for fallen officers, been in for anybody else,
maybe firefighters too, but that's not for you or for me.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
That's not for Charlie Kirk or anyone else. Man. It
was just weird.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And then the c Win Valhalla thing, I don't know.
I don't know what that's a reference to. It was
just it was just weirdness.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
But as the texts come in here too.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
By the way, you can give us a call and
we can have a conversation at three h three seven
to three eighty two fifty five three or three seven
one three eight two five five.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I do want to play a clip from you.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
There's honestly, there's really no chance that I figure out
how to do this.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
But I'm gonna try it.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I'm gonna double click, and then I'm gonna press the
space bar and some magic's gonna happen. But this took
place yesterday at the Charlie Kirk memorial down there in
Glendale that apparently eighty billion people showed up to years
from now by the way, politicians everywhere will claim to
have been there. You watch, this will be like some
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great sporting event where oh I was there when that happened.
This is gonna be one of those touchdowns for people
on the right. This is what Erica, his widow, said,
My husband.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Charlie, he wanted to save young men, just like the
one who took his.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Life, that young man, that young man on the cross.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Our saviors said, Father, forgive them, for they not know
what they do.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
That man, that young man, I forgive him.
Speaker 8 (04:51):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
That was era Erica Kirk. Charlie's widow. It blown away
by that. I couldn't get there from here. I don't
have the kind of heart and the kind of faith
that Erica has. And I would bet if Charlie Kirk
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had the ability to message us somehow down here, he
would agree right like he would find a way to
forgive this guy. If you ever watched him debate people
and take them on, it was never about denigrating them
or personal attacks or anything like that. My guess is
that he would be true to his faith and agree.
I couldn't get there from here if someone had murdered
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one of the members of my family or even a
close friend in this manner, it would take me a
long time to get there. I just don't have that
kind of forgiveness in me. And maybe that's part of
what makes me an effective prosecutor. Is I really divorce
myself from the idea of forgiveness because government isn't in
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the business of forgiveness. Governments in the business of justice
and accountability. I've seen this before, though. If you recall
way back on Friday the thirteenth, December the thirteenth, twenty thirteen,
a disgruntled eighteen year old senior at a rapa Hoe
High School, after legally purchasing a shotgun, let himself into
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an unsecured side door of a rapa Hoe High School
with the intent to murder a faculty member. And he
had written in sharpie on the inside. I believe of
his left arm. All these classrooms that he intended to
go to. Don't know who he was targeting, but he
had the classrooms written on his forearm, much like a
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quarterback might have plays when they're in the huddle. And
before he was able to get to the library to
rap a hoe, he was confronted by a completely innocent
woman named Claire Davis, who stood up from the bench
she was sitting on, and she said this guy's name
and said what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
And without any hesitation.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
He raised the shotgun and he shot and visited upon
her mortal wounds, wounds that would ultimately kill her. And
sometime this was in like I said, December the thirteenth.
She had lived.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
For a time in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Then, of course the gunman took his own life inside
the library when he got surrounded by the heroes, by
the SROs and security guards that.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Ran to the thunder.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
But it was maybe January the second, like right after that,
in twenty fourteen, that there was a giant memorial event
and I can't remember if it was at the coliseum,
but it was something like that hugely attended, I mean,
so many people. Their media covered this thing. And there
Claire's parents, Michael Davis and his wife were there and
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she could not bring herself to speak, and I totally
totally get that, but Michael did.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And Michael got up.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
There and started talking and at one point said, I
forgive the name of the shooter. And it was like
a gut punch to hear that, because I thought to myself.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
How.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Inferior my Christian heart is, how inferior my faith is,
how maybe even fraudulent it all is. That I can't
bring myself to even conceive how that is possible. Because
if someone murdered my daughter, my instant reaction, and probably
the one that would be as long lasting as anything,
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would be revenge. It would be anger. It would be
I'm going to end you and want to.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Seek your death.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And here with Charlie Kirk, not only does Erica Kirk
say I forgive you, which I man, if you're on
the journey towards being christ like, that seems like that
is way far ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Of where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
But more than that, when she's asked about the death penalty,
she says, I don't want his blood on my ledger.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I don't want to give you an opinion on this.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I want the government to make the decision and I
tell you as the DA who's had to make that
decision before on our Aurora Theater guy and on.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
A couple other cases. Man, that sucks.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You want the victim to give you their input. You
want the victim to pick a ya or an a,
and then you manage what you think is justice out
of that. But to just hear, hey, do what you
think is best.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
That's tough, man. That is a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
But have a significant amount of respect for Charlie Kirk's
widow to be able to take that position, because no
doubt it's the one that is the most Christian, and
no doubt I have a complete inability to get there
from here. But I'd love to take your calls on it.
Rush from littl and we'll get to you in just
a minute. We got to cut away for a quick
break here our number three O three seven to one
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three eighty two fifty five three oh three seven one
three eight two five five. We have text coming in
on this. We also have text coming in on our
last stuff. I'll get to those things as well, and
then at five thirty six we're going to be joined
with a guy named Jarvis Caldwell. He is the new
Rose Paglisi, including as I understand, the same shoes. No,
I'm kidding, he doesn't wear the same shoes. It's a
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Rose by any other name. His name is Jarvis. He'll
join us and we'll talk about what's gonna what's ahead
in the legislature. Until that time, you're listening to George
Brockler on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 9 (10:12):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast George.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Brockler filling and for Dan Kaplis.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
At five point thirty six, of course we're going to
be joined by Jarvis Caldwell. So many questions for Jarvis,
a few of them about his footwear. But if you've
got questions, you make sure you text him into us.
At five seven seven thirty nine, he is the new
House Minority leader. I think that means he represents all
of the people of color inside the Capitol.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
But Brian's going to look into that.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Hey, listen, here's here, here's here's that's not what that
that is, although it could include people of color for
certain Yeah, and that's not specifically exclusively.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Why would they say minority, Well, they're in.
Speaker 9 (10:55):
The lower number.
Speaker 10 (10:56):
Oh, it's only twenty two House seats got it feels
like discrimination once again.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Hey, listen, here's some text at five seven, seven thirty nine. George,
All you need to do is compare what happened with
the j sixers, who did nothing. They went after everybody,
including an old Colorado lady who prayed at the White House.
I actually, I appreciate the reference to January sixth and
all of the efforts that were taken to go crush
anyone who set foot on the Capitol grounds.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
That's what it sound sounded like.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I appreciate that that felt political. Yes, it could also
be justified as a defense of the capital for a
couple reasons.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
I'm not telling you this is why they did it.
I'm not supporting this.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I'm saying I could see an argument where the they say, listen,
this was on a day that we were supposed to
ratify the election of the president, and the purpose, in
part of first some in storming the Capitol was to
prevent that from happening. That's an attack on our process,
on our governm I get that. I'm not sure we
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needed to go after every single person who set foot
on the Capitol grounds. That's a completely different thing. But
it's true we spent a significant amount of resources on that.
Do you think it would have been different if President
Trump had still been in the White House?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
And if so, is that a good difference? Very very interesting.
Here's another one.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
George completely agreed, it's hard to understand how forgiveness is
reached regarding the needless, egregious, horrific case of Charlie Kirk.
No criticism of Erica intended. I feel the same way.
I just can't get there. Like I am in awe
of Michael Davis and his wife, I'm in awe of
I'm in awe of anyone who can so quickly after
having been wronged in almost the worst possible way, almost,
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I mean, the death of a child would be far worse.
And that's why the Davises seemed so amazing to me,
that that you're able to work your way towards forgiveness.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It's I just can't.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I am not built to get there from here, not yet,
not yet. I have to have a better relationship with
the almighty, and I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Here's another one.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
If Patel honored Charlie as a all caps warrior and
chose his words differently than you might, who cares it
was Patel's way to honor except with love.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, respectfully, I disagree.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I don't think you just I mean, could the president
then say I'm gonna give him the Medal of Honor,
I'm going to extend to him some other military thing
because it's his way to honor him. I think there
are things that are appropriate and there are things that
seem out of place and over the top. And for me,
that one seems out of place and over the top.
And frankly, whatever he's trying to express about his friend,
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it was disrespectful to the first responders out there. That
is a very unique thing to say. And God blessed
Charlie Kirk and his family for what they've done and
what they're going through.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
They don't deserve it. They weren't it. They're not first responders.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Here's another one, Gibi, remember the resources put into the
Idaho murders. Yep, there were a lot of resources put
into the Idaho murders. That part was true, nothing like this.
I don't think we got DNA back with the twenty
four hours like in this case. But you're right, that's
a big one. Here's another. Charlie's assassination is similar to
the Martin Luther King assassination. He had a similar funeral. Okay, listen,
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I've heard this before. It's not as amazing as Charlie
Kirk was and all the things that he did, and
how social media is here and it wasn't here. For
he is not Martin Luther King, not in terms of impact,
not in terms of historic significance. And I'm going to
tell you that I think twenty years from now will
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remember Charlie Kirk nothing like Martin Luther King Junior. The
things that doctor King did are really not comparable to
any other non member of government that I can think
of in the last one hundred years. Can't think of
anyone who's done that. This guy helped lead a generation
out of segregation, right, whether it's the Letter from the
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Birmingham Jail, whether it's the Civil Rights Act of sixty four,
sixty eight, seventy two, all of those things, whether it
was the non violence movement that he preached. Yes, Charlie
Kirk was amazing. I'm not taking anything away from him,
But nowhere near the zip code of a Martin Luther
King Junior. A dude who got locked up, a dude
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who was part of marches where people got beaten and
dogs cut loose on them.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
It's just not the same thing. But I appreciate that text.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Here's when maybe releasing all that evidence was intended to
counter the crap that the leftist media was saying about
the shooter. It may have been, but that's not enough
of a reason to do it. You don't put evidence
out against a shooter because the freak shows on the
left of the media are out there spinning a false
narrative only to the extent that it could potentially interfere
(15:46):
with picking a fair jury, and I'm not convinced that.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
It would have been. Here's another text at five seven
seven three nine. DOJFBI needs to be tight lipped about
an investigation? I agree. Here's one.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Explain what happened on January sixth with Jay six Ers.
I want to hear it. I want to hear your comparison. Well,
I'm not sure there's a perfect comparison, because one was
the murder of a private citizen.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Private citizen assassination in front of people on school grounds. Horrific,
public awful, political awful. This other one could be described
as and I think that's how they did it in
court as an attack on our government and on the system.
I'm not telling you that's what I think. I'm telling
you that's how it was spun, and it involved more
than one person. Kind of crazy stuff that went on there.
(16:33):
And especially since we're still dealing with this, uh three
or three seven one, three eighty two fifty five is
our phone number on this particular case.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Something else.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
While I was in the process of writing a column
for the Denver Gazette, definitely check out the Gazette at
Denver Gazette dot com, Orgazette dot com.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Best reporting that's out there.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I was writing a column on this, on all this
information that got dumped out to the public stream and
how risky I think it is for the prosecution to
have this floating out there, because there's rules of professional
there's professional rules of conduct that govern all the other responding.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Agencies to a DA in a case, DA.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Is not just responsible for themselves, so responsible for investigators too.
And then lo and behold the District attorney for Utah County,
just south ish of Salt Lake City.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
His name is Jeff Gray.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Good dude, not not a big time courtroom prosecutor, but
a smart guy and a guy who's been DA for
a while, and I think.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
A trusted voice out there.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
He ends up having that press conference where they revealed
the charges, and during the process of revealing the charges,
I swear to god, he read like a ten page
dissertation of the facts of the case, not an indictment,
which is different.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
An indictment can be unsealed.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
By the court and the public can have access to that.
It wasn't an affidavit, it was something else. It was
just like ten page description of the investigation. And I thought, man,
maybe Utah does it differently. I talked to a prosecutor
out of Salt Lake over the weekend, military dude, and
his answer was, no, we don't do it differently. That's
just how they did it. Very interesting when we come back.
(18:14):
Jarvis Caldwell and his Shoes. George Brockler filling in for
Dan Caplis.
Speaker 9 (18:23):
You're listening to the Dan Caplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
George Brockler back with you, filling in for Dan Caplis.
Some changes under the Gold Dome that could impact future legislation,
maybe even the entire session coming up here next year.
Pleased to have on the phone a great friend under
the gold Dome, someone who could always be a voice
of reason on the House Judiciary Committee, and someone who
(18:51):
witnessed some of the wackiest statements made by other elected
officials across the aisle.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
His name is Jarvis Caldwell. Thanks for joining us, sir, Hey.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
George, thanks so much for having me on. That's a
bit of an understatement, the wackiest statements under the gold dime,
But you're absolutely correct.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Looka, you got to see them every day. I just
remember being there for the one that the last bill
I testified on last session was the Hey, what about
the idea that if you rape a child you should
have to go to prison and not forever?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
It wasn't even forever. It was like a minimum of
two years.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And I think everybody on the Republican side was like duh.
And I think the comments were like that, We're like,
I can't believe this isn't the law already. And then
we got to hear people like Antifa, Garcia and some
of the others say these crazy things like I will
never vote to put someone in cages, and I thought,
you know, here's the funny thing. Call it whatever you want.
(19:49):
Some people need to be in cages. We put things
in people in cages to protect us from them. But men,
you have listened to that for years now.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean the House Judiciary Committee is why
we're the number two most dangerous state in the entire
country because of things like that. You know, seventy percent
of child rapists get off with probation because of the
laws that we have. And then when we have to
listen to Democrats on how judiciary say, well, you know,
when you put people in prison, it actually makes them worse.
(20:23):
And you're like, well, what's worse than a child rapist?
What are you talking about right now?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Right?
Speaker 8 (20:27):
You know, and then they want to lower the penalties
for attempted murder, you know, the remember the bad shot bill.
I believe you may have testified on that one. You know,
if you if you shoot into a crowd and you
miss someone, and and so we you know, because of
the outside pressure and pressure from the DA's as well,
we were able to actually get them to kill that bill.
So that was a win for us. But that bill
(20:49):
is going to come back. I already know it, and
I've already heard the rumblings of it.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Oh, and that's coming back it's coming back. We've even
had conversations about it at the District Attorney's Council.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
And I don't know, man, I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
You're going to get unity there with CDAC because some
of the things that they anyway, it's probably a conversation
for AU three or how the sausage?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You mean?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Can I ask a couple of questions since I have
you now on the radio, looking at your background, and
people should know this and appreciate this.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
You are a veteran.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You have deployed it looks like, to Afghanistan, to Korea
and of course war torn England.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Thank you for that sacrifice.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
That was the most dangerous apployment.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
But I think the thing that everyone wants to know
is why couldn't you get in the army?
Speaker 8 (21:31):
Ah? Well, I.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Oh god?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Because you're an Air Force guy, which is fitting because
your district covers the Air Force Academy and all those
surrounding communities that supported as well. Listen, you were recently
elected by your peers to take over for Rose Peglici
as the House minority leader.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
What's wrong with you? Man? Why would you want to
do that?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Like, weren't you content to just getting punches thrown at
the House Judiciary Committee and the other committees you're on.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
What made you say I'm going to herd? These they're
not just cats, Jarvis.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
These are cats on math on fire, right, Like, how
are you hurting them?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Well?
Speaker 8 (22:13):
You know, I think the dirty figure it is is
that I was recently made ranking member of Judiciary Committee
and getting elected Minority leader was the only way I
could get off of that committee.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Oh what were they replacing you with?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
It?
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Yeah, well that's the decision I'm gonna have to make
as minority leader. So that's something we're going to discuss
in the near future. But you know, the reality is
is this we're in a moment right now in the
States and chaos. And I know people like to focus
on like the federal level, but there's one party control
here in Colorado, and it's not the Republican it's the Democrats.
You know, we had a one point two billion dollar
(22:47):
budget deficit during the regular session, and then the same
thing for the special session, and then now we're looking
at a one point five billion dollar budget deficit coming
into this next session that starts in January. And then
you add on top of it, happened, you know, the
strategy with Charlie Kirk and just people are. I think
they're waking up more now than ever before. And we're
in a moment in history that we just can't pass up.
(23:09):
And so my goal is to bring all the factions together,
get us all on the same team, and say, listen,
we slipped three seats thanks to rosek Gleasy and Ty
Winter this last election cycle. We're going to hold those
seats and we're going to flip at least three more.
And that's the goal going forward. And anybody who's not
getting on board with that, they're not part of the solution.
They're part of the problem. Now.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Listen, And I heard you interviewed on one of our
sister shows out here with some good friends of ours,
and one of the questions they asked, and I think
it's important to discuss is, Look, the process of becoming
the House minority leader means that other people that ran
didn't win. And there's already talk of potentially potentially some
(23:50):
fissures within our already too small, you know, delegation within
the House.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
How do you how do you bridge that gap?
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Yeah, I mean, the fact of the matter is is
we agree in principle on the same issues, right, and
so it's like, guys, we're on the same team. We
agree on these same issues. We may have some differences
on how we approach and how we want to fight it,
but let's come to the table. And Rose Touglici was
great at bringing everybody to the table, making them to included,
and then saying, hey, listen, do you have an idea
(24:21):
that's better than the idea that this person has or
that I have? And then as a caucus we go okay,
and sometimes we'll vote on it. We'll say that's the
strategy going forward. So I'm going to give everybody that opportunity.
That's just how I am. And so that won't change
as far as the way Rose ram the caucus and
the way I'll run it.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
We're talking with Jarvis Caldwell, veteran of not the army
but also the new House Minority leader representative called, well,
how in the world are you going to get us
those extra seats? We need to close the gap on
some of these committees.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Absolutely, So you know, here's the thing is is we
all like to get bogged down on the day to
day inside the Capitol, but ninety nine percent of people
don't see the little things going on inside of the capitol.
We have to win outside of the capital. And so
I like to think that with this path session, I
did fairly well at bringing attention to like really horrible
legislation like house built thirteen twelve, like the transgender anti
(25:17):
printal rights build. And so I'm going to use those skills.
I have to message outside the building and get that
message to voters. And the reality is is politics cost money,
and so if anybody wants to help us, please help
us out, because it takes money to get the messages
outside the building in front of the voters. And so
that's one of my number one goals right now going forward.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
How do people get you the money if they want to,
Like they're listening right now at live or a podcast,
is there some website they go to or what are
they googling?
Speaker 8 (25:47):
Well, the fundraising aspect is something we're going to be
discussing this week as a team and then so I'll
have more information for you going forward right there. But
the easiest way to start is find local candidates that
have the values that you have and support them. And
you know, it's always kind of election season when you're
in the House of Representatives, and so there's already people
in your local communities either running for reelection or that
(26:09):
they're jumping into races and for open seats or against
a member of the Democrat Party, and so support your
local candidates. That's how you can start.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
First another question, this one is close to what we're
talking about, but it's not under the Gold Dome. Next Saturday,
we have a state Central Committee meeting, and I imagine
you're right now saying, please, for the love of God,
do not put me on the spot on this, But
I think it's I think it's important. Yeah, And that
is we're going to vote to decide whether or not
(26:39):
to withdraw from the current state primary system and hold
an assembly of fifty people inside someone's garage, or if
we're going to stay in the current system. You don't
have to take up arms against this unless you already
have a public position. But from my standpoint, these are
the things that are what a majority party goes through,
right like a minority part should be.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
How do we grow our ranks, how do we unify?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And it seems like at every opportunity we're in the
process of saying if you think this is a minority,
watch what we do next, you know what I mean, Like,
we can be smaller than this. Any thoughts on that
as you head into this thing.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
Yeah, absolutely, So.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
I just want to make clear I understand both sides
of the argument, but I very much like Trump's approach
in twenty twenty four, which was we need to grow
the tent. And I mean he grew the tent so
much he had Democrats, you know like RFK and Tulci
Gabber come into him and saying, you know what, I'm
sick of the Democrat Party. And what the concern is
of opting now and changing the system that we currently
(27:37):
have is those unaffiliated which make up a majority of
the vote in Colorado, they're only going to get one
ballot if we do this, and they're going to get
the Democrat ballot. And so we need to grow the tent,
not shrink it. And that's where I stand on it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Jarvis Caldwell, newly minted House Minority leader, Man, I hope
and I won't always be here it's Dan Shree, but
I hope you're able to come on all the time
and talked about the victories that we have some little,
hopefully a lot big as we head into this crazy
legislative session in twenty six.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
Absolutely, I'm always happy to come on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
George, go army man. Thanks for thanks for coming. Talk
to you later. Brother.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Hey, that was Jarvis calledwell cool cat, good dude. Listen
to Our text line is five seven seven three nine.
You go ahead, and Texas you can also call three
h three seven one three eighty two fifty five. I'm
trying to square away just one more last minute interview
as we wrap up this session. I don't think Dan's
going to make it in. I don't know what manju means,
but that was a text.
Speaker 10 (28:39):
Literally, I asked him, Hey, Dan, Eta, what's going on here?
He texts me back the following man jew m A
N space ju. And I had to read that like
Dennis Miller, Manju babe.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And then you looked it up and it's some delicious
Japanese treat it is.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
It looks phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
It's like red bean.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
Pace, but it's a dessert item.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Look, next time I fill in, next time we do
the sheriff in the DA Let's get some obviously, with
the radio medicine that Kelly provides, we're gonna we're gonna
cut away for a break. More come back, we're gonna
wrap up the session. Here your thoughts, my thoughts, Shorte
Brocklers filling in for Dan Caplis.
Speaker 9 (29:18):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
That's what it's for, Jervis Well, there it is Representative Caldwell,
the anthem for your branch formerly known as the Army
Air Corps.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Excited to have them.
Speaker 9 (29:47):
Oh, that's a historical dig you just got in, of course.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I mean, look, the Army is the senior service, and
let's be honest, no war can be won without us
because no other branch can hold land like we can.
And that is that's the basis for victory historically. Nonetheless,
thrilled to have House Minority Leader and Rose Paglisi Impersonator
Jarvis Caledwell on. Now listen, I want to tell you
(30:11):
what took place behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
We were trying to get Graham Brockler. If the name
sounds related to mine, it's because he's my youngest son.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
He's fifteen.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
The big deal.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
We had Kelly call him.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
He had a texted earlier that he was interested in
somehow talking on the radio. But here's what I want
to get to, and I want to get your guys
opinion on this. Do you remember back in high school
asking that special someone to homecoming?
Speaker 9 (30:38):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Okay, Iver asked anybody.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
Girl?
Speaker 9 (30:44):
The girls do? Let the guys talk here?
Speaker 10 (30:48):
Where are the ones at the we have to put
ourselves on the line. My gosh, the rejection at that level,
the rejection is. And so Ryan, do you remember how
you did it and how much anger you had building
up to the moment where you finally did this thing. Yeah,
it was kind of like jumping without a parachute to
borrow your Army Air Corps reference there and just go
(31:10):
for it, try to make a self deprecating joke.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
And it worked. It worked for okay, okay, nice?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
And was it just you came up to them in
class after class hallway men's room?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Where was it?
Speaker 9 (31:23):
Classes?
Speaker 10 (31:23):
So it gives her limited time to respond, so she's
not necessarily going to go, look, I'm.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Going to think about it. It's like, well had on
the spot and it's on purpose.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
And that's kind of like along these lines like, look,
I know the last guy you'd want to go to
the homecoming gait.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (31:37):
Yeah, but if you don't have a date yet, would
you consider settling for.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Me something like that? That you've over sold it? Obviously
you were really First of.
Speaker 11 (31:46):
All, I got I got asked out from and homecoming
and everything.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
For the notes via notes yeah, Vin class box, yes or.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
No kind of note?
Speaker 11 (32:00):
No.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
No, it was like where you fold up the paper
in the you know, the little things I'm missing those.
Speaker 11 (32:09):
No, it was it was passed up the aisle, oh man,
and so many people saw it before I did.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Oh, that doesn't seem super courageous face to face for ja.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yes, you said yeah in the note and sent the
note back.
Speaker 11 (32:28):
Well, no, I actually kept the note. And then after
the class I went up to him and I'm and
we high fived, and I'm like, yeah, I'll go with it.
Speaker 10 (32:36):
Five.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
This guy later became I.
Speaker 11 (32:39):
Mean I was in like, you know, I was like
a sophomore.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
What am I going to do?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
So Graham's a sophomore. Graham's fifteen. He's going to turn
sixteen in November. He'll get his license and I'll never
see him again. But until that time, he's telling.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Me about he asked a young lady.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
To homecoming Today and that's why I wanted to have
him on the radio, to have this conversation.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Then to embarrass the hell out of him. He is
a life scout.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
So he had been in competition with his brother, swore
he'd get Eagle first. He got to life first, and
then just kind of got distracted by things like sports
and stuff, girls and girls. Nonetheless, when I'm talking to
him about asking this young lady out, I'm like, you
just have the course to go up to her basically
what Ryan did. And he said, no, No, that's not
how it's done anymore.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
You got to have props and stuff, like you got
to have flowers, you got to have a stuffed animal.
You gotta have it.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I'm like, what are You're not proposing marriage right?
Speaker 8 (33:32):
Like?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
This isn't like would you go steady with me for
the rest of your life? Like what in the hell
is going over?
Speaker 11 (33:37):
A complete thing? My daughter went through it that she
got no when she got asked to prom it was
a whole deal, like a whole flash mob kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
And then yeah, and the.
Speaker 11 (33:52):
Guys were you know, there were like four of them
and they were kind of dancing in the middle of the.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
It was choreographed. Yeah, Kelly, Yeah, what is going on?
I listen.
Speaker 11 (34:04):
I graduated in nineteen ninety with a freaking note, okay
asking me to prom All right, so let's just forward.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
This just seems like it's gotten out of control. And
I don't know if this is the influence of social media,
because I think it is, but this has gotten out
of control. It's one dance when you're fifteen.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
And I tried to.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Tell him that short of something miraculous, right, like, you're
never gonna see these people again. Maybe one or two
best friends that hang out with you for a while,
but otherwise just take have guts to ask. But we're
not gonna get Graham on for this. Maybe when we
come back some other day if Dan lets us back.
Speaking of that, Dan Caplis will be back tomorrow to
take over the helm.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Breathe a sigh of relief.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
The big man's back, Kelly, Ryan, thanks for everything, including
the radio medicine that people can't see. But it was delicious.
George Brockler on The Dan Caplas Show.
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