September 10, 2025 • 34 mins
Jon Caldara, in for Dan, is incredulous and angry that JeffCo Public Schools have been so resistant to making their K-12 buildings 'hard targets' with an established armed presence by on-campus staff members - and if they cared about kids as they claimed, they would protect them at all costs. A shooting at Evergreen High School on Wednesday left the suspected shooter dead from a self-inflicted wound and two other students hospitalized in critical condition.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Kaplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Dan is not here today. I'm John Caldera, President of
Independence Institute. Please check out the work we do at
thinkfreedom dot org. That's thinkfreedom dot org. Sign up for
our newsletter. Be part of this movement to bring Colorado back.
One of the things I'm most proud of is nine
years ago we started the Faster Training Laura Carno train's
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armed school staff to stop a shooter immediately in a
school because when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
Jeffco schools do not have armstaff to protect our children.
I am losing my patients with school districts that want
to make us feel safe, but don't want to make
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our children safe, and the only way to do that
is to guard them with armed personnel. We obviously cannot
afford to have twenty cops in every school wandering the
hall's doing nothing all day, waiting for years and years
and years to maybe shoot a bad guy. That's why
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TSA and air marshals arm pull arm pilots. One out
of ten flights that you'd go on have a pilot
who is trained to carry a gun. They volunteer for
that duty. They're trained to their standards of an air marshal.
Because we can't afford to put air marshals on all
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those flights. I fly more comfortably knowing that there's at
least a ten percent chance the guy in the cockpit
can protect us if something goes wrong. That's important, and
they're trained for that one and only job. So why
are our lives on a plane somehow more valuable than
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our children's lives. The government doesn't force us to go
on planes. The government forces kids to go to government schools.
Otherwise it's truancy unless you can afford a private school
or homeschooling. Their first responsibility is to keep our kids safe,
and they are failing at that. If I had my way,
I would make it actionable to hold school board members
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fiscally responsible if there's a school shooting and they have
not done all they could to save these lives. The
school board members who refuse to have armstair staff, get
over your fears, start looking at reality. Our kids deserve
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to be protected. Our money is protected in banks with
people with guns. Good God, the clothes at Nordstrom protected
by armed security. But our kids, they're not worth it.
I understand. We can't afford to have armed security guards
everywhere and doing nothing else. That's why you let those
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who are willing, who are capable, who will be trained,
do the job for us. All right, let's get through
the phones. Three oh three seven, one, three eight, two
five five to centennial We go, Dan, thank you for
being so very patient here with John Caldera.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Oh, I'm currently sitting in Evergreen. One more if I
are one more politician say my condolences, I take the
top of my head and then a pop off.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
If you hear a politician say what could you repeat
that you're chopping out?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, my condolence and our prayers, right, and then need
people walk away the next day and right back to
what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
In law was in there, But you have got to
control yourself. Can you do that for us? Yes? All right,
So your daughter in law was outside the school. It's
my understanding that the shooting happened outside of the school.
Where again, where again, it doesn't matter that you have
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great security at the door.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, exactly. But let me finish. She's a man. She's
in the line of fire at school with nobody there.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Was your daughter in law. This is this is one
of the students, I'm assuming not one of the staff.
She's the teacher's she's a teacher, she's on staff. Was
she a witness to it?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
She was in the line of fire, dude, she.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Wat So the answer is yes, she was a witness. Yeah,
thank you. What did she tell you? Have you talked
to her?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
By here? I have not talked to her because it's
I have to. I would not allow him to be there.
And it's my son's my son, who's a wonderful person.
He's going to be there for for announce.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Okay, then how do you know that she was in
the line of fire?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Because I know, okay, this is going to be that.
Then we'll just stop now.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
No, no, no, I'm not, I'm not. I just I
want to I'm just trying to get the facts out.
This is nothing more than getting the facts.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Basic. I got some basic limited knowledge of text messages. Okay,
can my son during the event?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
All right, So your daughter in law is safe. But
she was there as a witness close to the event,
does in the.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Event with bullets woods and passed your head count?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yes, it's sure, would.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Okay, So let me get to my point by one
more fricking policy affisi and say my prayers and condolences.
I'm gonna scream. We as a society are culpable and
responsible for this. We are all nagent because we continue
to turn our eyes to the reality that we have
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evil in this world and we want to be knights everybody,
and we don't want to get a fire arm to
defend ourselves, which is the reason this country is formed.
And we don't want to take respibility to say no,
we're not going to allow violence. This is like the
wild West. Now, this is out of control. And if
I hear one watch person say we can't afford to
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put security guards in our school, You've got to be
kidding me. We're spending hundreds of billions of dollars on
unnecessary immigration stuff, spending, We're dropping two hundred billion dollars
worth of cash into the Middle East. We're we're we're
spending money like like drunken sailors on a weekend in
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oncome but we can't afford to put an armed tactical
weaponman in a school with an m for say, go ahead,
step out of line. And as far as I'm concerned,
we don't need teachers armed. We need a embedded special
ops train law enforcement officers that know how to react
to this stuff intcy without invitation in these schools. And
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I don't want to hear about it not being afforded. Well,
you might not want one more to have to get
the call that says.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
We all want the same thing, Dan, we all want
the same thing we're doing.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
We're negligent. We are not doing it, whether we're not
voting for these people, whether we're not holding the school
boards accountable, whatever you just said, which I agree, we're
not doing it. It's all flucked.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
It's all now. And now it's my turn. Now it's
my turn, and I understand it's an emotional day. It
is my turn to bring in some reality to this conversation,
the reality that school boards will not face today. The
shooting was outside of Evergreen High School, so a security
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door to the school did not matter. Increased bulletproof class
did not matter. And the reality is, and I know
you don't want to hear this. That school districts will
say they don't have the money to put in what
are called s ros UH security resource officers. My turn,
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my turn, My turn, Dan. Otherwise we'll end this conversation.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Fair enough, end John, because you're talking to.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
All right, thank you, have a great day, Thanks for
the phone call. So here's here's the reality. These school
districts will say, we don't have the money. And yes,
we the people are spending money on all sorts of
terrible things. We're spending our money to make life good
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for people who come in here illegally. We send money overseas,
we drop money on people, we give healthy people insurance.
The money is there. To Dan's frustration, Dan is right.
The money is there to put in tactical teams and
SWAT teams and all the rest. Personally, I don't want
my kids going to a school that looks like a
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demilitarized zone with SWAT members carrying their weaponry out in
the open. That's not what a school is for. But
I do want people who can be there when something
bad happens, and the only reasonable way to do that
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is with armed school staff. These school districts are not
going to get the money that Dan wants them to have.
The government of the United States is going to all
of a sudden stop sending money abroad, or stop paying
Medicare payments, or stop giving money to illegals to bring
money to the schools. They might do a little, but
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the only realistic way of handling this, and I underline
the word realistic, is to have those people who are
willing and capable two big words here, willing and capable
to do the job, who are all ready there. Heck,
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even if we had the money to hire armed guards
everywhere and special forces units, it would take years and
years and years. Today we have the people willing to
volunteer and in a few months they could be trained
and put to use. That is the reality. I know.
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Emotions run high. Three h three seven one three eight
two five five. I'm John Kel Derek keep it right here.
Six point thirty k how.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
And now back to the Dankaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Do you want to feel safe or do you want
to be safe? This is the question we need to
put towards every school board if we want armed school staff.
And now fifty count them, fifty school districts in Colorado,
including some larger suburban ones have armed staff who are trained,
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who volunteer and are trained for this one particular task
keeping our kids safe. But our school districts and our
leaders don't want to make a tough decision. Let me
make it clear. Here's the tough decision. When there's a
shooting in your school district and you don't have armed
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staff to stop it. The blood is on your hands,
and if I could, I would make you liable for
these deaths because you did not do what actually works,
what has been proven to work. You do cosmetics, you
do kabuki theater, You teach kids how to crawl out
of windows and hide behind desks, But you don't make
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our children safe. The only reasonable and affordable way to
do that is with arms school staff. To do with
our teachers and staff what the TSA and air marshals
do with pilots. One out of every ten flights has
an armed civilian pilot trained to Air Marshal standards. My
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guess is you feel pretty comfortable with that. Maybe you
didn't even know that. What's different about our schools? Why
is protecting the sweaters at Norstrom worth a security guard,
but our children are not. I'm John Caldera, President Independence Institute.
Please go to thinkfreedom dot org. Join what we do,
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sign up for our newsletter. In the meantime, letscribe a
couple of these calls. Let's go to Denver talk to Steve. Steve, welcome,
you're with Caldera.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Now, good afternoon, John. Yes, sir, I don't have much
to say. But what are you talking about? Is air
Marshalls and a school. No, it's already too late because
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they can be anywhere. What I'm saying is, Jefferson connyon
some of these large county they should come to change
their situation and build smaller schools so the teachers can
know the people that they're student. When you have a
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nine hundred student population, the teachers don't know these kids.
So what I'm saying is you can tell that a
kid has some issue from home or from burst or
from drugs or whatever. Remember Sandy Hope's that kid was
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sick and he kills his mother. I think it happened
about twelve years ago, or maybe longer. Then Jefferson comes
the column bond shooting. Those kids were in a sheriff.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I mean, Harry, I understand what you're saying Steve, and
I think you've got a wonderful point, But we're not
going to switch to smaller schools overnight. What we really
need is school choice. If we have school choice, look now,
let me get this, let me get this thought out,
and then you can tell me that I'm wrong. If
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we have true school choice, where the money follows the
kid to any school the family chooses, public or private,
lots of people will choose smaller schools. They will choose
schools that they feel safer in. They might choose schools
that they know have armstaffed. They might continue to go
to large schools. But if your point is we need
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to have better sense of who's going to school and
their problems, school choice would take us a long way
towards that. It won't end the problem. These are private
schools that had a couple of big shootings recently Coveted
School and then the one in Minneapolis. These were small schools.
They still had shooting problems.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
I don't let you get a very bead all the
small schools. The people who got to be a shooters,
they have very very serious problems. They were in the
side of police, just like Columbine in the side of
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police on Sandy Hook. Was you know sight of belief?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
You can tell me all you want need smaller schools?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yes? And how do you get to smaller schools? Steve?
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Because it's cost less to build a smaller school than
a mega school with nine hundreds?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yes and no. There is yes and no in that
as large has a kind of scale. So we can
go back and forth of this. Let me ask you
a more direct question. Does school choice get you closer
to your goal of kids going to physically smaller schools?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Well, I'm not an expert on that, fuck, but you're
an expert on the schools.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Take a guess. If you were an expert, what do
you think your answer would be?
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Well, just like I said before, you don't want to
nine hundred.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Let's try it again. You're avoiding the question. Do you
believe school choice would get you closer to yours your
ideal of smaller schools, more and smaller schools.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
That's a political question.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yes, and I'm asking you a political question. This will
be the third and last time I ask it. Do
you think school choice where money follows the kid would
give you what you closer to what you want?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Yes? The money?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
That wasn't that difficult. Pardon my short temper, but today
is a day that I just don't have patience for
politics like this. I am angry. I am angry that
school boards have not protected our kids, and you do
that by having people with guns protecting them. I'm John
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calder Back after this.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I'm John calder in for Dan Kaplis. Give me a call.
Three h three seven to one, three eight two five five.
What a horrid day. Let's get to some of these calls.
Thank you all for your patients. Not the Westman's talk
to Jim. Jim, you're with John Caldera.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
How are you.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I've had better days, as.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
We all Buddy saw by listen. I cannot agree with
you more about farming people in the schools. That can
be done so professionally, so easily. But I'm going to
numbers A policemen for thirty six years, and I want
to want to share with your philosophy that I always had,
and that is these punks need to be more afraid
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of us than we are of them. And they're not afraid.
They walk in and do what they want to do freely.
And without any concern whatsoever, and that needs to stop.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
You heard Laura Carno in the last hour talk about
the manifestos of the last two shootings, where these shooters
made that they chose soft targets because they knew they
were less likely to meet armed resistance.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
The schools in Colorado that have armed staff with signs
on them, and a few of them do this. Many
of them do this, a sign that says our students
are protected by armed staff. Yeah, you're going to go
into that school, are you? No, You're not. I couldn't.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
But like I said, they need to be more afraid
of us than we are of them, and the only
way to do that is too harden the target.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Thanks for the call. Let's go out to Long Mountain.
Talk to Glenn. Glenn, good afternoon. You're with John Caldera.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Hi, John, how you doing? Thanks for taking my call,
My honor. Listen, I understand that somewhere in the vicinity
of ninety five percent of all school shootings are done
in on three zones. I don't know who establishes gun
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three zones. I suspect it to are are local governments
state governments that do. And uh, you know, there are
so many people wandering around the streets, good guys that
have concealed carry or even open carry. I guess they're
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still an open carrier state. But there are so many
people that are in and out around schools that might
be carrying a weapon that if it were not a
gun tree zone, you know, to criminals.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
For those those people who are walk right in. Yeah,
for those people who are freaked out about you know,
people carrying guns concealed in uh, in schools. I hate
to be the one to break it to you. Fifteen
percent of Colorado adults have concealed carry permits. You walk
by hundreds of them every day and guess what the yeah,
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so am I and guess what it's okay? And when
something like the Arvada shooting happens, it was an armed
concealed carrie person who put the shooter down. And you
will be happy right that that person was there to help.
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Or do you think we want to be able to
have gun cops everywhere?
Speaker 7 (21:39):
So you got to get rid of the gun tree zones?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I could not agree more. Thank you, Glenn, I appreciate
the call. Have a great day. You know it keeps
coming back. Do you want to feel safe or do
you want to be safe? If you want to be safe,
then you need to start facing some realities. And it
means you need to start doing some deep dives. And
I say, this is someone who was a gun fobe
at one point, a guy who used to give money
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to anti gun groups, a guy who slowly did the
research and the fear started melting away so I could
look at it. Honestly, will our school boards do the
same if we do not show up on our school
boards and demand that they make a affirmative decision on
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armed school staff, not just oh well, well we should
look at it. No, make a decision. And if the
decision is no, I want it on the record. No,
we are not going to have arm school staff. So
when something like this happens again, and it will happen again,
we know exactly who we should blame. All right, let's
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go out to Westcliff and talk to Ann and good afternoon,
good evening. You're with John Caldera.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
Hi, John, thank you so much for taking my call.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
With everything that you've said, and I think there needs
to be a multifaceted approach to this. I like the
school choice. I love the idea of teachers being armed
or any school staff, janitors and so on. We at
this school have an s ro O, just one.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
But when are you a teacher?
Speaker 10 (23:26):
No?
Speaker 8 (23:26):
But I live in Westcliff and are.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And there's a school there. And for those who don't know, uh,
I hate to interrupt. SRO means uh school resource officer,
which is a nice way of saying a cop walking
around the halls.
Speaker 11 (23:40):
Correct, we have one, but we also have unpaid volunteers
are POSSE members who also patrol.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
The school and the school.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
Ground, which they wear a uniform that looks just like
our officers uniforms. They are armed and they have protective
vests and so on, and a volunteers volunteers all the time.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
These are volunteers. They're not they're not paid staff up.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
No, they are not paid at all.
Speaker 11 (24:09):
And they do training, firearm training.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
They have the same training almost like our deputies.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Really, so it's a can I ask you a couple
of questions? Just a couple of questions because I find
it fascinating. So you're in Westcliffe, which is a pretty
small area, and you've got volunteers who volunteer to do
a day shift or something at the school as a
security officer, and they're armed, they're trained, they wear the
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shirts so everyone knows who they are and they're walking
around openly carrying guns. Is that correct?
Speaker 11 (24:46):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
And how how do most parents react to that?
Speaker 8 (24:54):
I unfortunately don't have a child in the school, but
our posse is.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Pretty well.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
Looked upon by everybody in the community. They not only
control the school, they help out with a lot of
special events to go on as well.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Oh that is that's just beautiful, and it's beautiful to
see people get involved in their community and pitch in
to make schools safer for their kids. And so the
jump from what you have volunteers who aren't teachers or
school staff to volunteers who are also school staff or teachers.
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You know, the idea that the principal might have a
deep concealment or a teacher has a deep concealment. There
there isn't any difference if they were trained to this
same level as your posse members. Am I correct on that? Correct?
Speaker 12 (25:50):
Yes?
Speaker 11 (25:51):
Absolutely correct.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
So it is just an emotion hang up that people have.
They have this emotional hang up. You know, it's okay
for cops to be walking through the halls, but not
their own staff members, who are trained to higher standards
than the police. And that's just pure emotionalism, and they
want to feel safe, they don't want to be safe.
Speaker 11 (26:15):
Well, I could say my brother who Livesnen't in Florida,
is a school administrator.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
His wife is a principal at a different school in Florida,
and they both.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
Are totally against being armed. And I've tried to make
them see some sort of sense in this and they
are just you know, the only.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
Thing I hear is, yeah, you want me to.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Have a gun.
Speaker 11 (26:37):
Well, the answer is for you to have a gun
first the shooter.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well, and the answer is no, I don't want you
to have a gun if you are not one willing,
two capable, and three volunteering to do so. So no,
dear sister, I don't want you to have a gun,
but I want you to support other people who are
willing and capable and volunteer to have a gun.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
Well, they are totally against that as well, which I
don't understand.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
But are what I used to be. They are what
I used to be, which is someone who, when it
came to guns, lost their rationality and that's what's going
on in Colorado. So we're getting beaten up with ridiculous
gun laws. Those of us who have concealed carry permits
are not allowed to carry them in more and more places,
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which makes it less and less safe. And now it's
going to become in about a year almost impossible to
buy a regular semi automatic given all the hoops that
they're going to put up to make it happen. It's
absolutely metic. This was a wonderful conversation. Thanks for the
information about what goes on up in Westcliffe that that
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was very helpful. I have a great afternoon. I'm John Calderic.
Call me three h three seven one three eight two
five five And for Dan Caplis, keep it right here
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Speaker 4 (28:05):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
And for capitalists, I'm John Caldera. Lines are jammed. Let
me grab some of these texts. Are these are important? John?
I just signed up to substitute teacher in North car Colorado,
and after hearing you talk about faster, I checked to
see if it was a part of it. It's not.
Now what now? What is you go to your school
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board and demand that they investigate armed staff, and they
make an official decision on it, an official decision on it. John,
I find it very suspicious, suspicious that Charlie was murdered
while responding to a question about mass shootings. I wonder
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if they are talking to the person who posed that question.
I certainly certainly had that thought as well. John, tell
your tell people to put their money where their emotions are,
like I do supporting Faster Colorado and Independence Institute. Please,
I urge all of you to go to thinkfreedom dot org.
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Thinkfreedom dot org would love your financial tax deductible support,
but at the very least join our mailing lists and
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organization we spun out of Independence Institute that trains armed
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school staff. They need your help. It is not cheap
to do the life saving work that they do. Let's
head on down to Pueblo and talk to David. David
you're with John Calderay David.
Speaker 13 (29:50):
John, Hey, you know, it is a small world you're
to find. It's hard to believe. I actually live in
wet and wellwhich is Cutter County, part of Westcliffe. I
don't know if that's the.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
ANI know, but that probably is.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
So.
Speaker 13 (30:04):
And the posse up there is awesome. It is volunteers,
but you know some people are moving there that are
trying to get rid of it. You'll you can figure
that one out.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, Yeah, Californians come in and try to make a California.
Speaker 13 (30:17):
Yeah. But the reason for the call is multifaceted. And
by the way, I like this thatcher car out of concept.
Moved here seven years ago from Texas. My children are
young adults and ones in the army now. But the
point being is they had an SRO at a very
large school. I understand that man worked on the small side.
I sided with your earlier caller that couldn't really understand
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control of the motions stand. But I think the Thatcher's
a good idea. I think an sorrow country zones are idiotic.
You know, I used to work up in Westcliffe. One
that I used to carry because it's open carry and
I was outdoors all the time. Right, But let's get
let's get to the real room. A problem an independent institute.
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I'm glad for y'all selections. We don't have elections. We
have selections the machines need to go away in the state.
The Independence Institute ought to be an advocate for that
because our current leadership has failed us.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I would love to get rid of mail in voting.
I would love to go back to regular voting. That's
that's going to be a larger that's going to be
a larger issue.
Speaker 13 (31:31):
But yes, there's a man in the state there everyone.
A lot of people like him. Others think he's a pariah.
I think he's awesome and I know him. He came
to West Coast regarding a movie. Let my people go
to the viewing of it. I got him to become
a guy named Joe Olten and says he does there's
no facts, and Joe has the facts. Joe's considering running
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the governor, by the way, he's what he said.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
We'll see that would be interesting. All right, I've got
I've got other callers that I'm waiting for. Thanks for
the buzz. Let's see if we can get Let's see
if we can sneak Eric in. Eric. We're very very
tight on time. Well, Jay and Littleton really tight on time. Well,
let's try Mike and for Collins, let's try.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:19):
Thanks, sure, yep, thanks for having me. I'm kind of
putting a hypothetical question out with the kind of just
the bring a part of you know, to bring to
the table, just like a uh, like a thought experiment,
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if you will, if you see.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It, do it faster than you're doing it. Go ahead,
all right?
Speaker 10 (32:45):
If you could theoretically mount machine guns in every.
Speaker 12 (32:48):
Room aimed at the students, and I don't know if
you have some AI or if you just have some
like people in a basement somewhere monitoring them and statistically
could eliminate every potential school of shooting and within the
building immediately. Do you think that they're at that's a
situation where it be worth the potential mental health problem
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or like where I guess and what I'm saying is
where do you draw the line with like how much
exposure do you want kids to have to endure going
to school?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
That is a I understand the larger question you're trying
to pose, which is do you want your kids to
go to a school or do you want them to
go to a military encampment where they happen to have
classes on mathematics and reading? And I think that that's
one of the reasons why I support the faster idea
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where we have concealed carries, so the kids are not
looking at guns, they're not surrounded by guns. They're deeply concealed.
They don't know that they're there, they don't know who
might be carrying. The bad guy doesn't know. And it
still is a school. And by the way, the shooting
today was outside, not in the school. I'm John Calderreic
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keep it here. You're on six thirty kauts
This is Dan Kaplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Dan is not here today. I'm John Caldera, President of
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One of the things I'm most proud of is nine
years ago we started the Faster Training Laura Carno train's
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armed school staff to stop a shooter immediately in a
school because when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
Jeffco schools do not have armstaff to protect our children.
I am losing my patients with school districts that want
to make us feel safe, but don't want to make
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our children safe, and the only way to do that
is to guard them with armed personnel. We obviously cannot
afford to have twenty cops in every school wandering the
hall's doing nothing all day, waiting for years and years
and years to maybe shoot a bad guy. That's why
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TSA and air marshals arm pull arm pilots. One out
of ten flights that you'd go on have a pilot
who is trained to carry a gun. They volunteer for
that duty. They're trained to their standards of an air marshal.
Because we can't afford to put air marshals on all
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those flights. I fly more comfortably knowing that there's at
least a ten percent chance the guy in the cockpit
can protect us if something goes wrong. That's important, and
they're trained for that one and only job. So why
are our lives on a plane somehow more valuable than
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our children's lives. The government doesn't force us to go
on planes. The government forces kids to go to government schools.
Otherwise it's truancy unless you can afford a private school
or homeschooling. Their first responsibility is to keep our kids safe,
and they are failing at that. If I had my way,
I would make it actionable to hold school board members
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fiscally responsible if there's a school shooting and they have
not done all they could to save these lives. The
school board members who refuse to have armstair staff, get
over your fears, start looking at reality. Our kids deserve
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to be protected. Our money is protected in banks with
people with guns. Good God, the clothes at Nordstrom protected
by armed security. But our kids, they're not worth it.
I understand. We can't afford to have armed security guards
everywhere and doing nothing else. That's why you let those
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who are willing, who are capable, who will be trained,
do the job for us. All right, let's get through
the phones. Three oh three seven, one, three eight, two
five five to centennial We go, Dan, thank you for
being so very patient here with John Caldera.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Oh, I'm currently sitting in Evergreen. One more if I
are one more politician say my condolences, I take the
top of my head and then a pop off.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
If you hear a politician say what could you repeat
that you're chopping out?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, my condolence and our prayers, right, and then need
people walk away the next day and right back to
what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
In law was in there, But you have got to
control yourself. Can you do that for us? Yes? All right,
So your daughter in law was outside the school. It's
my understanding that the shooting happened outside of the school.
Where again, where again, it doesn't matter that you have
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great security at the door.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, exactly. But let me finish. She's a man. She's
in the line of fire at school with nobody there.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Was your daughter in law. This is this is one
of the students, I'm assuming not one of the staff.
She's the teacher's she's a teacher, she's on staff. Was
she a witness to it?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
She was in the line of fire, dude, she.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Wat So the answer is yes, she was a witness. Yeah,
thank you. What did she tell you? Have you talked
to her?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
By here? I have not talked to her because it's
I have to. I would not allow him to be there.
And it's my son's my son, who's a wonderful person.
He's going to be there for for announce.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Okay, then how do you know that she was in
the line of fire?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Because I know, okay, this is going to be that.
Then we'll just stop now.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
No, no, no, I'm not, I'm not. I just I
want to I'm just trying to get the facts out.
This is nothing more than getting the facts.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Basic. I got some basic limited knowledge of text messages. Okay,
can my son during the event?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
All right, So your daughter in law is safe. But
she was there as a witness close to the event,
does in the.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Event with bullets woods and passed your head count?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yes, it's sure, would.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Okay, So let me get to my point by one
more fricking policy affisi and say my prayers and condolences.
I'm gonna scream. We as a society are culpable and
responsible for this. We are all nagent because we continue
to turn our eyes to the reality that we have
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evil in this world and we want to be knights everybody,
and we don't want to get a fire arm to
defend ourselves, which is the reason this country is formed.
And we don't want to take respibility to say no,
we're not going to allow violence. This is like the
wild West. Now, this is out of control. And if
I hear one watch person say we can't afford to
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put security guards in our school, You've got to be
kidding me. We're spending hundreds of billions of dollars on
unnecessary immigration stuff, spending, We're dropping two hundred billion dollars
worth of cash into the Middle East. We're we're we're
spending money like like drunken sailors on a weekend in
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oncome but we can't afford to put an armed tactical
weaponman in a school with an m for say, go ahead,
step out of line. And as far as I'm concerned,
we don't need teachers armed. We need a embedded special
ops train law enforcement officers that know how to react
to this stuff intcy without invitation in these schools. And
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I don't want to hear about it not being afforded. Well,
you might not want one more to have to get
the call that says.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
We all want the same thing, Dan, we all want
the same thing we're doing.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
We're negligent. We are not doing it, whether we're not
voting for these people, whether we're not holding the school
boards accountable, whatever you just said, which I agree, we're
not doing it. It's all flucked.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
It's all now. And now it's my turn. Now it's
my turn, and I understand it's an emotional day. It
is my turn to bring in some reality to this conversation,
the reality that school boards will not face today. The
shooting was outside of Evergreen High School, so a security
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door to the school did not matter. Increased bulletproof class
did not matter. And the reality is, and I know
you don't want to hear this. That school districts will
say they don't have the money to put in what
are called s ros UH security resource officers. My turn,
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my turn, My turn, Dan. Otherwise we'll end this conversation.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Fair enough, end John, because you're talking to.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
All right, thank you, have a great day, Thanks for
the phone call. So here's here's the reality. These school
districts will say, we don't have the money. And yes,
we the people are spending money on all sorts of
terrible things. We're spending our money to make life good
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for people who come in here illegally. We send money overseas,
we drop money on people, we give healthy people insurance.
The money is there. To Dan's frustration, Dan is right.
The money is there to put in tactical teams and
SWAT teams and all the rest. Personally, I don't want
my kids going to a school that looks like a
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demilitarized zone with SWAT members carrying their weaponry out in
the open. That's not what a school is for. But
I do want people who can be there when something
bad happens, and the only reasonable way to do that
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is with armed school staff. These school districts are not
going to get the money that Dan wants them to have.
The government of the United States is going to all
of a sudden stop sending money abroad, or stop paying
Medicare payments, or stop giving money to illegals to bring
money to the schools. They might do a little, but
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the only realistic way of handling this, and I underline
the word realistic, is to have those people who are
willing and capable two big words here, willing and capable
to do the job, who are all ready there. Heck,
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even if we had the money to hire armed guards
everywhere and special forces units, it would take years and
years and years. Today we have the people willing to
volunteer and in a few months they could be trained
and put to use. That is the reality. I know.
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Emotions run high. Three h three seven one three eight
two five five. I'm John Kel Derek keep it right here.
Six point thirty k how.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
And now back to the Dankaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Do you want to feel safe or do you want
to be safe? This is the question we need to
put towards every school board if we want armed school staff.
And now fifty count them, fifty school districts in Colorado,
including some larger suburban ones have armed staff who are trained,
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who volunteer and are trained for this one particular task
keeping our kids safe. But our school districts and our
leaders don't want to make a tough decision. Let me
make it clear. Here's the tough decision. When there's a
shooting in your school district and you don't have armed
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staff to stop it. The blood is on your hands,
and if I could, I would make you liable for
these deaths because you did not do what actually works,
what has been proven to work. You do cosmetics, you
do kabuki theater, You teach kids how to crawl out
of windows and hide behind desks, But you don't make
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our children safe. The only reasonable and affordable way to
do that is with arms school staff. To do with
our teachers and staff what the TSA and air marshals
do with pilots. One out of every ten flights has
an armed civilian pilot trained to Air Marshal standards. My
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guess is you feel pretty comfortable with that. Maybe you
didn't even know that. What's different about our schools? Why
is protecting the sweaters at Norstrom worth a security guard,
but our children are not. I'm John Caldera, President Independence Institute.
Please go to thinkfreedom dot org. Join what we do,
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sign up for our newsletter. In the meantime, letscribe a
couple of these calls. Let's go to Denver talk to Steve. Steve, welcome,
you're with Caldera.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Now, good afternoon, John. Yes, sir, I don't have much
to say. But what are you talking about? Is air
Marshalls and a school. No, it's already too late because
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they can be anywhere. What I'm saying is, Jefferson connyon
some of these large county they should come to change
their situation and build smaller schools so the teachers can
know the people that they're student. When you have a
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nine hundred student population, the teachers don't know these kids.
So what I'm saying is you can tell that a
kid has some issue from home or from burst or
from drugs or whatever. Remember Sandy Hope's that kid was
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sick and he kills his mother. I think it happened
about twelve years ago, or maybe longer. Then Jefferson comes
the column bond shooting. Those kids were in a sheriff.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I mean, Harry, I understand what you're saying Steve, and
I think you've got a wonderful point, But we're not
going to switch to smaller schools overnight. What we really
need is school choice. If we have school choice, look now,
let me get this, let me get this thought out,
and then you can tell me that I'm wrong. If
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we have true school choice, where the money follows the
kid to any school the family chooses, public or private,
lots of people will choose smaller schools. They will choose
schools that they feel safer in. They might choose schools
that they know have armstaffed. They might continue to go
to large schools. But if your point is we need
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to have better sense of who's going to school and
their problems, school choice would take us a long way
towards that. It won't end the problem. These are private
schools that had a couple of big shootings recently Coveted
School and then the one in Minneapolis. These were small schools.
They still had shooting problems.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
I don't let you get a very bead all the
small schools. The people who got to be a shooters,
they have very very serious problems. They were in the
side of police, just like Columbine in the side of
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police on Sandy Hook. Was you know sight of belief?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
You can tell me all you want need smaller schools?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yes? And how do you get to smaller schools? Steve?
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Because it's cost less to build a smaller school than
a mega school with nine hundreds?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yes and no. There is yes and no in that
as large has a kind of scale. So we can
go back and forth of this. Let me ask you
a more direct question. Does school choice get you closer
to your goal of kids going to physically smaller schools?
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Well, I'm not an expert on that, fuck, but you're
an expert on the schools.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Take a guess. If you were an expert, what do
you think your answer would be?
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Well, just like I said before, you don't want to
nine hundred.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Let's try it again. You're avoiding the question. Do you
believe school choice would get you closer to yours your
ideal of smaller schools, more and smaller schools.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
That's a political question.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yes, and I'm asking you a political question. This will
be the third and last time I ask it. Do
you think school choice where money follows the kid would
give you what you closer to what you want?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Yes? The money?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
That wasn't that difficult. Pardon my short temper, but today
is a day that I just don't have patience for
politics like this. I am angry. I am angry that
school boards have not protected our kids, and you do
that by having people with guns protecting them. I'm John
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calder Back after this.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I'm John calder in for Dan Kaplis. Give me a call.
Three h three seven to one, three eight two five five.
What a horrid day. Let's get to some of these calls.
Thank you all for your patients. Not the Westman's talk
to Jim. Jim, you're with John Caldera.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
How are you.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I've had better days, as.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
We all Buddy saw by listen. I cannot agree with
you more about farming people in the schools. That can
be done so professionally, so easily. But I'm going to
numbers A policemen for thirty six years, and I want
to want to share with your philosophy that I always had,
and that is these punks need to be more afraid
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of us than we are of them. And they're not afraid.
They walk in and do what they want to do freely.
And without any concern whatsoever, and that needs to stop.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
You heard Laura Carno in the last hour talk about
the manifestos of the last two shootings, where these shooters
made that they chose soft targets because they knew they
were less likely to meet armed resistance.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
The schools in Colorado that have armed staff with signs
on them, and a few of them do this. Many
of them do this, a sign that says our students
are protected by armed staff. Yeah, you're going to go
into that school, are you? No, You're not. I couldn't.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
But like I said, they need to be more afraid
of us than we are of them, and the only
way to do that is too harden the target.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Thanks for the call. Let's go out to Long Mountain.
Talk to Glenn. Glenn, good afternoon. You're with John Caldera.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Hi, John, how you doing? Thanks for taking my call,
My honor. Listen, I understand that somewhere in the vicinity
of ninety five percent of all school shootings are done
in on three zones. I don't know who establishes gun
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three zones. I suspect it to are are local governments
state governments that do. And uh, you know, there are
so many people wandering around the streets, good guys that
have concealed carry or even open carry. I guess they're
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still an open carrier state. But there are so many
people that are in and out around schools that might
be carrying a weapon that if it were not a
gun tree zone, you know, to criminals.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
For those those people who are walk right in. Yeah,
for those people who are freaked out about you know,
people carrying guns concealed in uh, in schools. I hate
to be the one to break it to you. Fifteen
percent of Colorado adults have concealed carry permits. You walk
by hundreds of them every day and guess what the yeah,
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so am I and guess what it's okay? And when
something like the Arvada shooting happens, it was an armed
concealed carrie person who put the shooter down. And you
will be happy right that that person was there to help.
(21:34):
Or do you think we want to be able to
have gun cops everywhere?
Speaker 7 (21:39):
So you got to get rid of the gun tree zones?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I could not agree more. Thank you, Glenn, I appreciate
the call. Have a great day. You know it keeps
coming back. Do you want to feel safe or do
you want to be safe? If you want to be safe,
then you need to start facing some realities. And it
means you need to start doing some deep dives. And
I say, this is someone who was a gun fobe
at one point, a guy who used to give money
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to anti gun groups, a guy who slowly did the
research and the fear started melting away so I could
look at it. Honestly, will our school boards do the
same if we do not show up on our school
boards and demand that they make a affirmative decision on
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armed school staff, not just oh well, well we should
look at it. No, make a decision. And if the
decision is no, I want it on the record. No,
we are not going to have arm school staff. So
when something like this happens again, and it will happen again,
we know exactly who we should blame. All right, let's
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go out to Westcliff and talk to Ann and good afternoon,
good evening. You're with John Caldera.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
Hi, John, thank you so much for taking my call.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
With everything that you've said, and I think there needs
to be a multifaceted approach to this. I like the
school choice. I love the idea of teachers being armed
or any school staff, janitors and so on. We at
this school have an s ro O, just one.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
But when are you a teacher?
Speaker 10 (23:26):
No?
Speaker 8 (23:26):
But I live in Westcliff and are.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And there's a school there. And for those who don't know, uh,
I hate to interrupt. SRO means uh school resource officer,
which is a nice way of saying a cop walking
around the halls.
Speaker 11 (23:40):
Correct, we have one, but we also have unpaid volunteers
are POSSE members who also patrol.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
The school and the school.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
Ground, which they wear a uniform that looks just like
our officers uniforms. They are armed and they have protective
vests and so on, and a volunteers volunteers all the time.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
These are volunteers. They're not they're not paid staff up.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
No, they are not paid at all.
Speaker 11 (24:09):
And they do training, firearm training.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
They have the same training almost like our deputies.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Really, so it's a can I ask you a couple
of questions? Just a couple of questions because I find
it fascinating. So you're in Westcliffe, which is a pretty
small area, and you've got volunteers who volunteer to do
a day shift or something at the school as a
security officer, and they're armed, they're trained, they wear the
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shirts so everyone knows who they are and they're walking
around openly carrying guns. Is that correct?
Speaker 11 (24:46):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
And how how do most parents react to that?
Speaker 8 (24:54):
I unfortunately don't have a child in the school, but
our posse is.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Pretty well.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
Looked upon by everybody in the community. They not only
control the school, they help out with a lot of
special events to go on as well.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Oh that is that's just beautiful, and it's beautiful to
see people get involved in their community and pitch in
to make schools safer for their kids. And so the
jump from what you have volunteers who aren't teachers or
school staff to volunteers who are also school staff or teachers.
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You know, the idea that the principal might have a
deep concealment or a teacher has a deep concealment. There
there isn't any difference if they were trained to this
same level as your posse members. Am I correct on that? Correct?
Speaker 12 (25:50):
Yes?
Speaker 11 (25:51):
Absolutely correct.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
So it is just an emotion hang up that people have.
They have this emotional hang up. You know, it's okay
for cops to be walking through the halls, but not
their own staff members, who are trained to higher standards
than the police. And that's just pure emotionalism, and they
want to feel safe, they don't want to be safe.
Speaker 11 (26:15):
Well, I could say my brother who Livesnen't in Florida,
is a school administrator.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
His wife is a principal at a different school in Florida,
and they both.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
Are totally against being armed. And I've tried to make
them see some sort of sense in this and they
are just you know, the only.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
Thing I hear is, yeah, you want me to.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Have a gun.
Speaker 11 (26:37):
Well, the answer is for you to have a gun
first the shooter.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Well, and the answer is no, I don't want you
to have a gun if you are not one willing,
two capable, and three volunteering to do so. So no,
dear sister, I don't want you to have a gun,
but I want you to support other people who are
willing and capable and volunteer to have a gun.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
Well, they are totally against that as well, which I
don't understand.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
But are what I used to be. They are what
I used to be, which is someone who, when it
came to guns, lost their rationality and that's what's going
on in Colorado. So we're getting beaten up with ridiculous
gun laws. Those of us who have concealed carry permits
are not allowed to carry them in more and more places,
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which makes it less and less safe. And now it's
going to become in about a year almost impossible to
buy a regular semi automatic given all the hoops that
they're going to put up to make it happen. It's
absolutely metic. This was a wonderful conversation. Thanks for the
information about what goes on up in Westcliffe that that
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was very helpful. I have a great afternoon. I'm John Calderic.
Call me three h three seven one three eight two
five five And for Dan Caplis, keep it right here
six point thirty k how.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
And for capitalists, I'm John Caldera. Lines are jammed. Let
me grab some of these texts. Are these are important? John?
I just signed up to substitute teacher in North car Colorado,
and after hearing you talk about faster, I checked to
see if it was a part of it. It's not.
Now what now? What is you go to your school
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board and demand that they investigate armed staff, and they
make an official decision on it, an official decision on it. John,
I find it very suspicious, suspicious that Charlie was murdered
while responding to a question about mass shootings. I wonder
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if they are talking to the person who posed that question.
I certainly certainly had that thought as well. John, tell
your tell people to put their money where their emotions are,
like I do supporting Faster Colorado and Independence Institute. Please,
I urge all of you to go to thinkfreedom dot org.
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school staff. They need your help. It is not cheap
to do the life saving work that they do. Let's
head on down to Pueblo and talk to David. David
you're with John Calderay David.
Speaker 13 (29:50):
John, Hey, you know, it is a small world you're
to find. It's hard to believe. I actually live in
wet and wellwhich is Cutter County, part of Westcliffe. I
don't know if that's the.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
ANI know, but that probably is.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
So.
Speaker 13 (30:04):
And the posse up there is awesome. It is volunteers,
but you know some people are moving there that are
trying to get rid of it. You'll you can figure
that one out.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, Yeah, Californians come in and try to make a California.
Speaker 13 (30:17):
Yeah. But the reason for the call is multifaceted. And
by the way, I like this thatcher car out of concept.
Moved here seven years ago from Texas. My children are
young adults and ones in the army now. But the
point being is they had an SRO at a very
large school. I understand that man worked on the small side.
I sided with your earlier caller that couldn't really understand
(30:40):
control of the motions stand. But I think the Thatcher's
a good idea. I think an sorrow country zones are idiotic.
You know, I used to work up in Westcliffe. One
that I used to carry because it's open carry and
I was outdoors all the time. Right, But let's get
let's get to the real room. A problem an independent institute.
(31:03):
I'm glad for y'all selections. We don't have elections. We
have selections the machines need to go away in the state.
The Independence Institute ought to be an advocate for that
because our current leadership has failed us.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I would love to get rid of mail in voting.
I would love to go back to regular voting. That's
that's going to be a larger that's going to be
a larger issue.
Speaker 13 (31:31):
But yes, there's a man in the state there everyone.
A lot of people like him. Others think he's a pariah.
I think he's awesome and I know him. He came
to West Coast regarding a movie. Let my people go
to the viewing of it. I got him to become
a guy named Joe Olten and says he does there's
no facts, and Joe has the facts. Joe's considering running
(31:55):
the governor, by the way, he's what he said.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
We'll see that would be interesting. All right, I've got
I've got other callers that I'm waiting for. Thanks for
the buzz. Let's see if we can get Let's see
if we can sneak Eric in. Eric. We're very very
tight on time. Well, Jay and Littleton really tight on time. Well,
let's try Mike and for Collins, let's try.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:19):
Thanks, sure, yep, thanks for having me. I'm kind of
putting a hypothetical question out with the kind of just
the bring a part of you know, to bring to
the table, just like a uh, like a thought experiment,
(32:40):
if you will, if you see.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It, do it faster than you're doing it. Go ahead,
all right?
Speaker 10 (32:45):
If you could theoretically mount machine guns in every.
Speaker 12 (32:48):
Room aimed at the students, and I don't know if
you have some AI or if you just have some
like people in a basement somewhere monitoring them and statistically
could eliminate every potential school of shooting and within the
building immediately. Do you think that they're at that's a
situation where it be worth the potential mental health problem
(33:11):
or like where I guess and what I'm saying is
where do you draw the line with like how much
exposure do you want kids to have to endure going
to school?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
That is a I understand the larger question you're trying
to pose, which is do you want your kids to
go to a school or do you want them to
go to a military encampment where they happen to have
classes on mathematics and reading? And I think that that's
one of the reasons why I support the faster idea
(33:41):
where we have concealed carries, so the kids are not
looking at guns, they're not surrounded by guns. They're deeply concealed.
They don't know that they're there, they don't know who
might be carrying. The bad guy doesn't know. And it
still is a school. And by the way, the shooting
today was outside, not in the school. I'm John Calderreic
(34:01):
keep it here. You're on six thirty kauts
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