August 1, 2024 • 34 mins
Unearthed footage of Kamala Harris shows her railing against Americans saying 'Merry Christmas' while illegal migrant children are not being granted asylum.
Jimmy Sengenberger of The Denver Gazette updates Dan on Day 2 of the Tina Peters trial, where the former Mesa County clerk is being charged with seven felonies and three misdemeanors in an alleged election system breach.
Jimmy Sengenberger of The Denver Gazette updates Dan on Day 2 of the Tina Peters trial, where the former Mesa County clerk is being charged with seven felonies and three misdemeanors in an alleged election system breach.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Kaplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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single day on your favorite podcast platform. So many conservatives
now afraid that Kamala Harris has the race one O MG,
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what you know, let's say it's amazing. It's amazing. How
you know, these short term phenomena can just distort temporarily, right,
hopefully temporarily just distort our perceptions. It's an amazing part
of human nature. So we're going to do so much today,
including get a report from the courtroom from Jimmy Sangenberger
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on the Tina Peters trial. We have a lot of
local stuff to be talking about. But of course this
already has been and will continue to be the most interesting, wild,
crazy presidential race of our lifetime. And the impact on
you and me and all of us is so obvious
that yeah, we're going to do that every day as well.
But I did want to come out of the gate
with this this perspective point. Hey, let's let's put everything
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that's happening right now with this Kamala Harris surge and
it's going to continue, and it's going to increase for
a while before it starts to recede. Particularly the VP pick.
It looks like, unfortunately, they're going to be smart about that.
I'll get to that in a second, but put it
all in perspective, and it comes back to a couple
of things. And I want to use this Joe Rogan
(01:27):
sound to kick this off because I'm sure if, like me,
you want to see President Trump win, well, you've probably
been hearing a lot of people saying, wait a second,
this race is gone, This race is lost. The worm
has turned, and surprisingly Joe Rogan is one of those folks.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I feel like we are in this very bizarre time
where people are giving in to the in a way
that I'd never suspected people would before. And this is
the one They just want no Trump, no matter what,
and they're willing to gaslight themselves. I thought that Trump
getting shot would like that's it, Election's over, but it's
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like they memory hold that so quick.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah. So Joe Rogan started that by saying that Kamala
Harris is going to win, and I think what's critical
as we step back and put this in longer term perspective.
I understand one of the challenges for President Trump, as
I predicted before you know Biden was deposed. One of
the challenges for President Trump is that this is now
a sprint to the finish. So it's easier for Kamala
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Harris to hide and obviously with the full cooperation of
the vast majority of the media, to hide from who
she really is, what she really stands for, et cetera.
It's a lot easier to smoke out the truth over
the course of a typical campaign. Remember, I mean in
twenty twenty, she didn't even make it to Iowa because
she started out with this same kind of surge we're
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seeing right now, right she was on top, she was
raking in all this money. She had twenty thousand human
pack a square in Oakland, you know, for announcement address.
And then what happened over time, over time, the real
Kamala Harris got exposed, and two months before the first
primary she drops out, having gone broke and lost most
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of her staff. So now she has the advantage of
this quick sprint with the media, you know, playing her shield,
all right, So what you know, we've got some bigger challenges.
But here is why I think it's so important to
keep perspective. At the end of the day, it's still
Kamala Harris. At the end of the day, Americans have
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still had a chance to get to see her over
the last four plus years. At the end of the day,
Americans do not want a San Francisco radical as president.
And that's not the usual political rhetoric or anything else.
It's just the flat out provable truth. She is, in
fact a San Francisco radical. And by the end of
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the campaign, you know, certainly the vast majority of the
vot voting public is going to understand that and see
it and hear it in her own words with all
of that video that's out there. So at the end
of the day, that's the reality. And do you really
think America is going to want a San Francisco radical
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as president? On top of that, do you really think
America is going to want a San Francisco radical who
happens to be Kamala Harris as president Because people have
had a chance to see her in action. I don't
think America would ever accept any San Francisco radical as president.
But you could see somebody with saying, maybe the incredible
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skills and appeal of a Barack Obama pulling that off.
But even Barack Obama had to pretend to be a
moderate to get elected twice, you know, so a true
San Francisco radical with no place to hide all that
and all the tape out there on her. Yeah, and
on top of that, it's you know, Kamala Harris does
not have the skills of Barack Obama. No, that's the
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core fundamental in the race. And then you match that
up with Donald Trump. Now, hey have said along, even
as I was telling you that, Okay, you know they're
going to get rid of Biden, I said all along,
the race could still be lost. Not because people were
going to vote for Joe Biden. I think very few
people have ever voted for Joe Biden. Unfortunately, in twenty
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a few too many people voted against Donald Trump. So
it's still the case as it was before the democratically nominated,
democratically elected demnominee was deposed in a backroom deal. Same
things true now, and that is, yeah, you know, America
is not going to vote for Kamala Harris. But could
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she still get elected? Sure, if enough people vote against Trump.
So yeah, that dynamic is still in place. But at
the end of the day, can you really see America
voting for this and Francisco radical I think only under
the most exceptional circumstances, which would be, you know, if
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we we get a bad stretch run from President Trump.
And that's the other important thing to keep in mind, right,
which is, just wait a second, We've still got three
full months August, September, October. Think about how much has
happened in the last three months. Think about how much
is going to happen in the next three months. And yeah,
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Kamala Harris will be able to hide a lot, but
they can't hide her completely. And the Trump campaign is
going to have substantial money, and they are going to
have the money to put on the airwaves all of
these truths about Kamala Harris in her own words, and
she is going to have to debate, and she will
be a good debater. But no matter how good a
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debater you are, she's still going to have to face
the truth about who she is politically, ideologically, etc. And
the position she's taken in the past. So all I'm
saying is long time ago, and you've got these core
fundamentals remaining in place, lots of reasons to be optimistic. Now,
I understand you listen to Joe Rogan and others. They say, oh,
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these people are going to vote against Trump. Yeah. True,
but please consider this very important point. You did not
have many people in twenty twenty voting against Joe Biden.
Now they weren't voting for him, they were voting against Trump.
But you didn't have many people voting against Joe Biden.
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He was like this neutral bland vanilla placeholder. But while
you will have a substantial number of people voting against
Donald Trump, you will also have a substantial number of
people voting against Kamala Harris because of a radicalism. Right,
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Biden could get away with this con that they do
was some kind of moderate lunch pail Joe, all this garbage.
Kamala is not going to be able to get away
with that. I mean, how many people actually watch cable news, right, No,
she's not going to be able to get away with that.
So you're also going to have a substantial number of
people voting against her because of her radicalism. And final
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point and final reason to be optimistic. We all know
it's easy to tell a polster something, right, whether you're
picking up the phone or you're responding to something on
a text or whatever, it's easy to tell a polster something.
It takes some real effort to go out and vote.
And we all know that Donald Trump outperforms his polls historically,
and that's because of the intensity, the depth of commitment
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of his supporters. And even before his heroism following the
assassination attempt, Donald Trump had this ferocious loyalty from his supporters,
and after that and the way he handled it, crawl
across glass kind of devotion to Trump. So in terms
of intensity of turnout is going to be off the charts.
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Kamala Harris will never even begin to approach that kind
of intensity of commitment. She's kind of the it thing
right now. She's an interesting curiosity, a great relief after
Joe Biden's gone as the nominee, deposed as the nominee
if you happen to be a Democrat or you lean
that way as an unaffiliated But in terms of intensity
of support for Kamala Harris versus Donald J. Trump, not
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even in the same universe. So lots of reasons to
be optimistic. Kate five five four zero five eight two
five five. Hey, lots ahead, including Jimmy Sangenberger report from
the courtroom on the Tina Peters trial, which is now underway.
You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
There's a reason that Ryan played it there. There's always
a reason with Ryan. It's one of the many things
we all love about Ryan, right And it's a little
bit of a tease, because that's part of the beauty
of this next three months we're going to have together,
is that the real Kamala Harris is so radical and
so radical in such awful ways that there's going to
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be something new and great almost every day. And there
is a reason Barack and Michelle Obama did not endorse her.
They were forced to a day or two later, but
that was a very big deal for them to not
get on board out of the gate. But there was
a reason because they're smart people with a lot of
bad ideas for this country. But they're smart people and
they know what's out there. They know what's out there
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in Kamala Harris, and so they want to win, and
she knows that is not their best way to win.
The Obamas. No, she is not the best way to win.
But the reason that Ryan just played that is the
gift of the day. Kamala's gift of the day to
Donald Trump is this. This is twenty seventeen sound we're
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being told of Kamala Harris. And picture what appears to
be this press conference and all sorts of people in
suits and time standing around when she goes off on
the audacity, the audacity of people like America, all Americans
saying Merry Christmas.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And when we all sing happy tunes and sing Merry
Christmas and wish each other merry Christmas, these children are
not going to have a merry Christmas. How dare we
speak Merry Christmas? How dare we?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oh? My lord, this is going to be so great.
This is going to be so great. So which states
did she just lose their bah humbug? Yeah? Yeah, my goodness.
And there's just so much of it because that's who
she is. Listen, we all know how stuff can be
cut up and edited now to make somebody look like
somebody they really aren't. And that's just one of the
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challenges of modern life is sorting through that garbage in
those lives. But this is who she really is. And
you know that's so timely because I think it's just
exhibit A and supporting the way I open the show. Yeah,
she's on a roll right now, and it's about to
get better for her because it looks like she's the
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cabal that deposed the democratically elected nominee and inserted her.
Looks like they're about to make a smart move and
pick Josh Shapiro as her VP. But think about how
preposterous it is. She isn't the nominee, the guy who
got all the votes. She didn't get a single vote.
The guy who got all the votes, He's not picking
a VP. The person who's put in place by the
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people who depose the democratically elected nominee are picking a VP.
But they're being smart, and it looks like they're going
to pick Josh Shapiro from Pennsylvania. That'll make it tougher,
but I don't think in the end that's going to
change the overarching dynamics of this race, as I laid
out at the start of the show. So Ryan, please do,
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please do take this out because what are they calling
her now? Mam La? So I think every American when
they go to the polls is going to be thinking
about they can't wait to have who is that? Drew
Barrymore labeled from Mamala have Mamala scold you, scold you
as early as this coming Christmas, right after the election,
she ruined Christmas not to do this.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
And when we all sing happy tunes and sing Merry
Christmas and wish each other merry Christmas, these children are
not going to have a merry Christmas. How dare we
speak merry Christmas?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
How dare we I think context is important here too, Dan,
to your point, she was speaking about illegal immigrants that
were not being granted amnesty, using kids as props in
this so until they got amnesty, we shouldn't be saying, Mary.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
It just keeps getting better. And then just just one
more pleasant thought, let it roll around in your vast cranium,
and that is think about it. Every successful Democrat presidential
candidate in your lifetime has had to pretend to be
a moderate to win. They've had to pretend to be
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a moderate to win. And she can't even begin to
get away with that. Eight y five was there a
five A two five five text d an five seven
seven three nine Prayers to everybody obviously affected by the fires.
A text says, Dan, thanks for the advice on evacuating.
We went to my daughter's place in Keystone. That from Dennis.
Thank you, Dennis. We had a very compelling call from
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Dennis yesterday who was sitting in his home up close
to the ridge that the fire was then breaching. So
wise move by Dennis there, Ryan. That's the point I
was trying to make to Dan yesterday. That from Kimberly.
I know that's from Ryan's great show that runs two
to four in the Denver market on six point thirty
kitsch w But I'm dying of curiosity. My friend Kimberly
(14:46):
frustrated with me commending you. What was that all about?
Speaker 5 (14:50):
I don't know. I don't know what the point of
reference is there. Will need her to clear that.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Out, Yeah, and I'm sure she will. So lots to
get to today. Listen, we have not been talking about
Tina Peters case forever, I think since the last time
I had Tina Peters on the show and we had
a respectful disagreement. But that trial is now underway. I
think they're in the second day of the trial. Jimmy
Sangenberger who sometimes fills in on this show very well,
(15:15):
and we appreciate that Jimmy has been all over this
case from the beginning, and he's in the courtroom, and
as a guy who's had the privilege of being in
the courtroom for national networks and stuff, for some of
the biggest trials in the country. As I've always told you, right,
you got to be in the courtroom to really know
a case. So it'll be great to have Jimmy's perspective
(15:35):
from the courtroom. So we'll get that update at four
point thirty six. I understand there's been a Jared Polis sighting,
which is relieving, right because you begin to worry about
the guy. I mean, you never see him. How come
he never got a sniff, never got a single sniff
from the media for Harris's VP.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
It ain't over yet, Oh, I get at it here.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Now you're teasing me. Can you imagine I take off
my clothes and dance on the roof of the iHeart Studios,
a dance of sheer, unbridled joy. Have you either of
your guys ever done that. I'm not talking about clothes off,
I'm just talking about have you ever just had one
of those those dances where you're just it's not even voluntary,
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it's just such a joyous moment, you're just overtaken. Yes,
it's like you've heard that song, like you know, well, anyway,
have you ever done that?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Yes, on what occasion when the line got this job
game for the first time since my senior year in
high school this.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Year, but not in the NFC championship game. Why yeah,
I know it was brutal, It was so so cruel anyway,
So I would do that kind of dance if she
picked Polis. Unfortunately, the cabal that threw out the democratically
nominated Biden and installed her, they've made some smart moves,
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and one of those smart moves is going to be
Josh Shapiro's VP.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Let me just counter one moment. Might they not want
a Casper milk toast white male avatar like Mark Kelly,
who would give them maybe some credence on the border
in a swing state Arizona. Shapiro's problematic for their identity politics, dearborn,
and the Muslims are not going to like it.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Dude, Dude, you got to start with come on altogether,
John Travolta, start with what staying alive. Staying alive. You
lose Pennsylvania, you are staying dead, staying dead. And Donald Trump,
Donald Trump, even with the Harris Sugar High right now,
Trump is still up for in Pennsylvania. So on top
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of all the reasons Trump would appeal to Pennsylvania, you
have the heroism, you have the fact they almost killed
him in Pennsylvania and he handled it heroically. There's gotta
be a connection there between Trump's Trump and Pennsylvania. She
has got to win Pennsylvania no matter what. She loses Pennsylvania.
It's done so. And the reason I say it looks
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like she's going to pick him is that he just
canceled some weekend fundraisers out of state. Stay in Pennsylvania.
So hey, when we come back. Jimmy Sangenberger from the
court room on the Dan Kepler Show.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast Disco Lessons?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Did you ever take disco lessons? I took disco lessons
on the CU Boulder campus.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
What about the powder blue suit?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You doesn't get any better? Oh my lord, I wish
I could still find that. But the very best was
the white one. We got to remember going with my
mom to the the Sears outlet store. Of course, now
people out here think Sears is an outlet store, but
back in Chicago, Sears had an outlet store out near
the airport, and I remember my mom and I going
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over there and was going off to college, and I
got that white leisure suit jacket for about twenty bucks
and the big Swede, big Swede blue suede belt with
the big silver buckle, and then kind of the shiny
orange shirt that you wear under it with the big
collars that you know, looked like a paper plane. Yeah. Anyway,
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that's what Jimmy Sangenberger wants to hear about. Jimmy's been
working real hard covering the Tina Peters case and doing
it for a long time and writing for the Denver
Gazette on it. He's actually in the courtroom, which is
an insurmountable advantage. Jimmy, welcome back to the den Kaplis Show.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Well, just to clarify, they're live streaming the case. Oh,
I can actually watch the trial from the comfort of
my home rather than being in Mason County.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Wow, which of your fifty TVs.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
In the living room? One, my computer, my cell phone,
It really depends on what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
It anything the Singing Burger Estate. Yeah, you need to
take the Bugatti from one end to the other. But
thank you for the clarification, Jimmy. And you're right. I mean,
when you're not actually in the courtroom, you lose a
little something because you can't be looking at the jury.
But the fact that you're actually watching the case, unlike me,
gives you a big advantage. So what's going on?
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Oh gosh, I mean, it's hard to even judge where
to start, except just for people who aren't too familiar.
The big top line is three years ago this month,
news broke of an alleged election security breach that details
and some files and copies of hard drives in the
election server for the Mason County Elections Office were leaked
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online at a cyber symposium is where they were really
brought out headlined put on by Mike Lindell, and that
led to the investigators there in Mesa County pretty quickly.
It was actually was the Secretary of State Investigators I believe,
pretty quickly traced it to Masa County and found out
that these files were from the Mesa County election systems
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and so they went through this whole process of the
investigation before they indicted mesa County clerk and recorded TEENA
Peters on seven felon accounts and a few misdemeanor counts
related to identity staffs and some other charges in this
election security breach and the identity theft piece is important
because coming up maybe tomorrow, will be testimony from a
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man by the name of Gerald Jerry Wood whose identity
and badge were used. He was going to be a
possible consultant on standby, did a background check all this,
but his badge was used, he says, without his knowledge
by somebody else in nineteen nineties pro surfer named Conan Hayes.
And that name has been brought up quite a bit
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already in the first two days of this trial, so
that just I think helps set the scene for those
who aren't so familiar with this. The bottom line is
Sena Peter's trying to prove stole an election election fraud
that was not done at all, by the way, but
she used allegedly illegal means to get this information that
she says proved something which frankly it doesn't prove.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And you say Conan's a surfer.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
In the nineteen nineties, he was a Professoral.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
There's always got to be because I'm flashing back to
Kato Klin, right, I mean, there's always something.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
But it's wild story. I mean, really he is the
MIT guy. But he was brought in to make copies
of the hard drive before and after this process of
an update called the Trusted.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
Build, which really has been the focus of.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
A lot of today's testimony, particularly from a guy by
the name of Jesse Romero who works for the Secretary
of State.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Who Jimmy Sangenberger, our guests, Who are the big players here?
Who's prosecuting ed who's the defense lawyer? What's all that?
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Dan Rubinstein is the Republican district attorney in Mesa County
who saw and succeeded in getting the indictment and is
along with somebody by the name of I forget his
first name. His last name is Shapiro. They are prosecuting
the case. And then a Colorado attorney by the name
of Michael Edminster out of Carbondale has actually sponsored out
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of state attorneys, including one by the name of.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
Hartman.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Was Mike Hartman.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I've just curious a couple.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
Of out of state attorneys, which is rather interesting because
the judge yesterday during opening arguments even chastised Edminster for
not providing instructions on you know, the proper guidance to
the out of state attorneys.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Now, Jimmy Sandenberger with does any highlights in the case
so far?
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Yeah, what's been striking to me has been really the
way in which the judge has shut down a lot
of the arguments or threads that Tina Peters defense team
has tried to pull on. Even yesterday and opening arguments,
there was an objection from the prosecution which the judge
was sustaining, and the attorney at the time, a woman
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last named Jones, said hold on to the judge and
was then chastised for interrupting the judge. And today, I
mean there was even one instance where the judge sustained
another objection from the prosecution for a line of questioning
that wasn't he determined wasn't relevant, and the attorney Hartman
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mutters under his breathword wow, and then gets chastised as
well by the judge. So alls some stuff going on
in terms of the defense that I just I don't
understand the line of argument that they're taking in some respects,
and also it's a certain leading to the judge being frustrated.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
And Jimmy, what is the defense.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
The defense?
Speaker 6 (24:39):
It's hard to really determine exactly because yesterday what they
did in their opening argument was spend more time than
anything else just with lofty things about the about the
jury and their role and how important that is. Today
is a big line of argument that the attorneys for
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Tina Peters seemed to be going down was delegitimizing restrictions
that the Secretary of State's office put in place in
twenty twenty one visa the COVID on who was allowed
in the election office at the time of this trusted
build process. And what that is about is whether or
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not Conan Hayes. It's a problem that Conan Hayes was there,
whether he was under the auspices of pretending to be
Jerry Wood or not. But they're trying a few different threads.
It's hard to piece together what specifically their argument really
is at this point. When end probably by next Friday,
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it could be as soon as Wednesday of.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Next next week, next not as well.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Yeah, there, Okay, they've got a number of more witnesses
to get through, and today they're really only getting through
the first two, which was the Masa County investigator in
this case and the Secretary of State employee who I.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Mention any predictions, Gosh.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
I think it's going to be one to watch to
see how it goes with the different employees that worked
for Tina Peters, and when Jerry Wood ends up giving
his testimony, and how the defense handles their cross examination there.
I find it hard to imagine that Tina Peters gets
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out of this one squeaky clean. There's a lot there
that she's even admitted to. She's admitted to having somebody
go in and make these copies of the hard drive,
admitted to being Conan Hayes, I believe, so on and
so forth. So I don't know how this can end
very well for Tina.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
To be honest, Jimmy, how can people follow you and
your work in the Gazette and beyond.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Regularly right Tuesdays and Fridays, Denvergazette dot com. And I'm
also tweeting on this case on XL formally twitter at
saying center that sing with an e, not an a
center on.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
X Jimmy, appreciate the good work and let's get some updates.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Awesome.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Thanks, Dan, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Thank you, my friend. That is Jimmy Sangenberger. Hey, if
you just joined us, thank you. And to reward you
for that act of generosity, when we come back, we'll
play some Kamala Harris sound that will put a smile
on your face, particularly if like me, you want Trump
to win. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
And now back to the Dankapla Show podcast.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
And when we all sing happy tunes and sing Merry
Christmas and wish each other merry Christmas, these children are
not going to have a merry Christmas? How dare we
speak merry Christmas? How dare we.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Can you can hear the sound of two or three
Swing states just falling away from her, there, can't you?
Oh my goodness, Hey, listen, we know Trump's campaign is
can Pain organization has been very good overall, so that
has got to show up in a lot of spots, right,
And that's why it's going to be such a great
three months, because it is what it is. She is
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a San Francisco radical and you've got all that sound
in video in her own voice. People don't have to
cut stuff up and deep fake and this and that that.
That's just who she really is. And America is not
going to go there. It would take Donald Trump so alienating,
so deeply alienating so many people because America is not
(28:34):
going to elect Kamala Harris. America is not going to
vote for Kamala Harris. America may vote against Donald Trump,
I sure hope not, but Kamala Harris. No, America is
not going to vote for a San Francisco radical Dean
in Kansas. You're on the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Welcome Hey, Jan. Every time you see San Francisco radical,
I always think Fanancisco treat that obviously sees the oppotunity
of that. Anyway, I was talking, I was talking to Kelly,
and I think that jd Vance might have trumpled her.
(29:10):
Better off with with Dolphy Gabert because she knocked out
Harris liked it in the first date and number two.
I agree with Ryan. I think Shapurrow is going to
be friction against Michigan, which could help prompt.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I appreciate the call, my friend. A great point that
you make about Tulca Gabbert taking down Kamala Harrison. The
first debate, the relevance I think in the debate or
debates that are coming up, and I predicted it'll probably
be one debate, right, because if somebody clearly wins the
first one, then they'll find some reason not to have
a second one. But but what that shows that the
Gabert takedown, and we'll play that sound at some point,
(29:49):
is that, listen, Kamala Harris will be very good in
the debate, certainly compared to Biden, but very good at
having some canned lines and throwing some punches at Trump
and things like that.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
You really think she's gonna be good in an abrut.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I hadn't finished. I guess how many times have I
said at home? I can't be wrong till I'm done?
How can I be wrong till I'm done?
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Can it be so right that you're wrong?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
That that worries me? But here's here's the point. Here's
the point. And you see this all the time. You
see it in courtrooms too. You see the people who
can get up there and they can you know, they
got some prepared remarks, and they look good, and they
articulate well, and they say these things she will do
that well in the debate, and compared to Joe Biden.
I mean, you know, she'll looked like she came down
(30:35):
from the mountaintop. But but it's the ability to respond
when you come under attack, and Tulca Gabbard exposed that
at least that night, she didn't have that, and she
didn't have that a lot, which which is why her
campaign fell apart, one of the reasons it fell apart.
And so that's going to be the most interesting part
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of the debate. Why do you think they're hiding her
right now?
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Now?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Listen, she's on this sugar high right, She's got the
vast majority of the media protecting her. She's not Joe Biden.
So there's this oh, we're back from the grave phenomena.
But they're hiding her because she doesn't have good answers
to the tough questions on substance number one and number two.
She doesn't handle those questions.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Well, I'll take it further, she doesn't have the chops,
she doesn't have the work ethic. Dan, do you know
her staff turnover is somewhere in the neighborhood of like
ninety eight plus percent. There's a reason why yes, she
doesn't want to work. She gets annoyed by her staffers
when they try to get her to work. She's lazy,
and I'm talking about strictly work ethic here and preparation.
She doesn't want to do the homework and she doesn't
(31:43):
study for the exam, and so Dan this has been chronicled.
You can go look it up listeners right now. Don't
take my word for it. Google it maybe will be
on a different server, but that this is the reason
she shows up to events and talks in circles and
these kind of wandering Kamala like raises and stuff. It's
because she didn't do her homework.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
But I think we have to be realistic about what's
going on right now. In my opinion, what's almost certain
to be going on right now is it's not her campaign.
She is not in charge. She didn't get a single vote. Nope,
whatever cabal deposed the democratically elected nominee and chose to
insert her is in charge. And so these smart moves
(32:24):
we see being made right now has nothing to do,
in my opinion, nothing to do with her. It's the cabal.
It is whoever deposed Biden and is behind all of this,
but they are making some smart moves. But you're right, Ryan, Historically, Yeah,
whether it's in the Vice President's office or during your campaign,
she can't keep staff, she alienates everybody. Everything falls apart.
(32:46):
But whoever this cabal is that deposed Biden and inserted her,
they're really good at what they do.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
What about the friction between Biden and Obama, Dan Bongino's
been talking about this. I think Ben Shapiro too, that
the Obamas didn't necessarily want Kamala, but Biden kind of
jumped the gun, beat them to the punch because he
has so much animosity towards them, said Okay, I'm going
to come right out and endorse Kamala, and then that
was a done deal.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah. For this reason, right, Biden and nobody can argue
with this. Credibly, Biden wants the people who deposed him
to lose, So of course he would want Kamala to
be the nominee because think how much stronger the Democrats
would be if they had some of the other options.
Now they're going to get the benefit and it'll be
(33:32):
a real benefit of Josh Shapiro on the ticket as
the VP in all likelihood. But if you had Shapiro
Whitmer or Whittmer Shapiro or something like that. It's infinitely
stronger than Kamala Harris on top because think about this
moment and revel in this. It's such a beautiful, calming,
warming thought. Think about when that day comes, and it
(33:53):
will come maybe a few weeks down the road, but
it will come when her polls start to go the
other way.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Think about that day because it's understandable why they're upright now.
She's not Joe Biden. They're back from the dead. The
media is making her out to be Barack Obama. But
when they start to come back down, what's going to
get them up again? What's going to stop them from
continuing to go down and down and down as Americans
see more and more and more about who she really is.
That's right, But if the Democrats had chosen one of
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their other options, they'd be in a much better position.
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now afraid that Kamala Harris has the race one O MG,
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what you know, let's say it's amazing. It's amazing. How
you know, these short term phenomena can just distort temporarily, right,
hopefully temporarily just distort our perceptions. It's an amazing part
of human nature. So we're going to do so much today,
including get a report from the courtroom from Jimmy Sangenberger
(00:42):
on the Tina Peters trial. We have a lot of
local stuff to be talking about. But of course this
already has been and will continue to be the most interesting, wild,
crazy presidential race of our lifetime. And the impact on
you and me and all of us is so obvious
that yeah, we're going to do that every day as well.
But I did want to come out of the gate
with this this perspective point. Hey, let's let's put everything
(01:05):
that's happening right now with this Kamala Harris surge and
it's going to continue, and it's going to increase for
a while before it starts to recede. Particularly the VP pick.
It looks like, unfortunately, they're going to be smart about that.
I'll get to that in a second, but put it
all in perspective, and it comes back to a couple
of things. And I want to use this Joe Rogan
(01:27):
sound to kick this off because I'm sure if, like me,
you want to see President Trump win, well, you've probably
been hearing a lot of people saying, wait a second,
this race is gone, This race is lost. The worm
has turned, and surprisingly Joe Rogan is one of those folks.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I feel like we are in this very bizarre time
where people are giving in to the in a way
that I'd never suspected people would before. And this is
the one They just want no Trump, no matter what,
and they're willing to gaslight themselves. I thought that Trump
getting shot would like that's it, Election's over, but it's
(02:07):
like they memory hold that so quick.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah. So Joe Rogan started that by saying that Kamala
Harris is going to win, and I think what's critical
as we step back and put this in longer term perspective.
I understand one of the challenges for President Trump, as
I predicted before you know Biden was deposed. One of
the challenges for President Trump is that this is now
a sprint to the finish. So it's easier for Kamala
(02:32):
Harris to hide and obviously with the full cooperation of
the vast majority of the media, to hide from who
she really is, what she really stands for, et cetera.
It's a lot easier to smoke out the truth over
the course of a typical campaign. Remember, I mean in
twenty twenty, she didn't even make it to Iowa because
she started out with this same kind of surge we're
(02:54):
seeing right now, right she was on top, she was
raking in all this money. She had twenty thousand human
pack a square in Oakland, you know, for announcement address.
And then what happened over time, over time, the real
Kamala Harris got exposed, and two months before the first
primary she drops out, having gone broke and lost most
(03:14):
of her staff. So now she has the advantage of
this quick sprint with the media, you know, playing her shield,
all right, So what you know, we've got some bigger challenges.
But here is why I think it's so important to
keep perspective. At the end of the day, it's still
Kamala Harris. At the end of the day, Americans have
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still had a chance to get to see her over
the last four plus years. At the end of the day,
Americans do not want a San Francisco radical as president.
And that's not the usual political rhetoric or anything else.
It's just the flat out provable truth. She is, in
fact a San Francisco radical. And by the end of
(03:59):
the campaign, you know, certainly the vast majority of the
vot voting public is going to understand that and see
it and hear it in her own words with all
of that video that's out there. So at the end
of the day, that's the reality. And do you really
think America is going to want a San Francisco radical
(04:20):
as president? On top of that, do you really think
America is going to want a San Francisco radical who
happens to be Kamala Harris as president Because people have
had a chance to see her in action. I don't
think America would ever accept any San Francisco radical as president.
But you could see somebody with saying, maybe the incredible
(04:42):
skills and appeal of a Barack Obama pulling that off.
But even Barack Obama had to pretend to be a
moderate to get elected twice, you know, so a true
San Francisco radical with no place to hide all that
and all the tape out there on her. Yeah, and
on top of that, it's you know, Kamala Harris does
not have the skills of Barack Obama. No, that's the
(05:04):
core fundamental in the race. And then you match that
up with Donald Trump. Now, hey have said along, even
as I was telling you that, Okay, you know they're
going to get rid of Biden, I said all along,
the race could still be lost. Not because people were
going to vote for Joe Biden. I think very few
people have ever voted for Joe Biden. Unfortunately, in twenty
(05:25):
a few too many people voted against Donald Trump. So
it's still the case as it was before the democratically nominated,
democratically elected demnominee was deposed in a backroom deal. Same
things true now, and that is, yeah, you know, America
is not going to vote for Kamala Harris. But could
(05:47):
she still get elected? Sure, if enough people vote against Trump.
So yeah, that dynamic is still in place. But at
the end of the day, can you really see America
voting for this and Francisco radical I think only under
the most exceptional circumstances, which would be, you know, if
(06:07):
we we get a bad stretch run from President Trump.
And that's the other important thing to keep in mind, right,
which is, just wait a second, We've still got three
full months August, September, October. Think about how much has
happened in the last three months. Think about how much
is going to happen in the next three months. And yeah,
(06:28):
Kamala Harris will be able to hide a lot, but
they can't hide her completely. And the Trump campaign is
going to have substantial money, and they are going to
have the money to put on the airwaves all of
these truths about Kamala Harris in her own words, and
she is going to have to debate, and she will
be a good debater. But no matter how good a
(06:49):
debater you are, she's still going to have to face
the truth about who she is politically, ideologically, etc. And
the position she's taken in the past. So all I'm
saying is long time ago, and you've got these core
fundamentals remaining in place, lots of reasons to be optimistic. Now,
I understand you listen to Joe Rogan and others. They say, oh,
(07:11):
these people are going to vote against Trump. Yeah. True,
but please consider this very important point. You did not
have many people in twenty twenty voting against Joe Biden.
Now they weren't voting for him, they were voting against Trump.
But you didn't have many people voting against Joe Biden.
(07:35):
He was like this neutral bland vanilla placeholder. But while
you will have a substantial number of people voting against
Donald Trump, you will also have a substantial number of
people voting against Kamala Harris because of a radicalism. Right,
(07:55):
Biden could get away with this con that they do
was some kind of moderate lunch pail Joe, all this garbage.
Kamala is not going to be able to get away
with that. I mean, how many people actually watch cable news, right, No,
she's not going to be able to get away with that.
So you're also going to have a substantial number of
people voting against her because of her radicalism. And final
(08:17):
point and final reason to be optimistic. We all know
it's easy to tell a polster something, right, whether you're
picking up the phone or you're responding to something on
a text or whatever, it's easy to tell a polster something.
It takes some real effort to go out and vote.
And we all know that Donald Trump outperforms his polls historically,
and that's because of the intensity, the depth of commitment
(08:39):
of his supporters. And even before his heroism following the
assassination attempt, Donald Trump had this ferocious loyalty from his supporters,
and after that and the way he handled it, crawl
across glass kind of devotion to Trump. So in terms
of intensity of turnout is going to be off the charts.
(09:01):
Kamala Harris will never even begin to approach that kind
of intensity of commitment. She's kind of the it thing
right now. She's an interesting curiosity, a great relief after
Joe Biden's gone as the nominee, deposed as the nominee
if you happen to be a Democrat or you lean
that way as an unaffiliated But in terms of intensity
of support for Kamala Harris versus Donald J. Trump, not
(09:27):
even in the same universe. So lots of reasons to
be optimistic. Kate five five four zero five eight two
five five. Hey, lots ahead, including Jimmy Sangenberger report from
the courtroom on the Tina Peters trial, which is now underway.
You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
There's a reason that Ryan played it there. There's always
a reason with Ryan. It's one of the many things
we all love about Ryan, right And it's a little
bit of a tease, because that's part of the beauty
of this next three months we're going to have together,
is that the real Kamala Harris is so radical and
so radical in such awful ways that there's going to
(10:09):
be something new and great almost every day. And there
is a reason Barack and Michelle Obama did not endorse her.
They were forced to a day or two later, but
that was a very big deal for them to not
get on board out of the gate. But there was
a reason because they're smart people with a lot of
bad ideas for this country. But they're smart people and
they know what's out there. They know what's out there
(10:30):
in Kamala Harris, and so they want to win, and
she knows that is not their best way to win.
The Obamas. No, she is not the best way to win.
But the reason that Ryan just played that is the
gift of the day. Kamala's gift of the day to
Donald Trump is this. This is twenty seventeen sound we're
(10:52):
being told of Kamala Harris. And picture what appears to
be this press conference and all sorts of people in
suits and time standing around when she goes off on
the audacity, the audacity of people like America, all Americans
saying Merry Christmas.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And when we all sing happy tunes and sing Merry
Christmas and wish each other merry Christmas, these children are
not going to have a merry Christmas. How dare we
speak Merry Christmas? How dare we?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oh? My lord, this is going to be so great.
This is going to be so great. So which states
did she just lose their bah humbug? Yeah? Yeah, my goodness.
And there's just so much of it because that's who
she is. Listen, we all know how stuff can be
cut up and edited now to make somebody look like
somebody they really aren't. And that's just one of the
(11:48):
challenges of modern life is sorting through that garbage in
those lives. But this is who she really is. And
you know that's so timely because I think it's just
exhibit A and supporting the way I open the show. Yeah,
she's on a roll right now, and it's about to
get better for her because it looks like she's the
(12:09):
cabal that deposed the democratically elected nominee and inserted her.
Looks like they're about to make a smart move and
pick Josh Shapiro as her VP. But think about how
preposterous it is. She isn't the nominee, the guy who
got all the votes. She didn't get a single vote.
The guy who got all the votes, He's not picking
a VP. The person who's put in place by the
(12:32):
people who depose the democratically elected nominee are picking a VP.
But they're being smart, and it looks like they're going
to pick Josh Shapiro from Pennsylvania. That'll make it tougher,
but I don't think in the end that's going to
change the overarching dynamics of this race, as I laid
out at the start of the show. So Ryan, please do,
(12:52):
please do take this out because what are they calling
her now? Mam La? So I think every American when
they go to the polls is going to be thinking
about they can't wait to have who is that? Drew
Barrymore labeled from Mamala have Mamala scold you, scold you
as early as this coming Christmas, right after the election,
she ruined Christmas not to do this.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
And when we all sing happy tunes and sing Merry
Christmas and wish each other merry Christmas, these children are
not going to have a merry Christmas. How dare we
speak merry Christmas?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
How dare we I think context is important here too, Dan,
to your point, she was speaking about illegal immigrants that
were not being granted amnesty, using kids as props in
this so until they got amnesty, we shouldn't be saying, Mary.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
It just keeps getting better. And then just just one
more pleasant thought, let it roll around in your vast cranium,
and that is think about it. Every successful Democrat presidential
candidate in your lifetime has had to pretend to be
a moderate to win. They've had to pretend to be
(14:04):
a moderate to win. And she can't even begin to
get away with that. Eight y five was there a
five A two five five text d an five seven
seven three nine Prayers to everybody obviously affected by the fires.
A text says, Dan, thanks for the advice on evacuating.
We went to my daughter's place in Keystone. That from Dennis.
Thank you, Dennis. We had a very compelling call from
(14:26):
Dennis yesterday who was sitting in his home up close
to the ridge that the fire was then breaching. So
wise move by Dennis there, Ryan. That's the point I
was trying to make to Dan yesterday. That from Kimberly.
I know that's from Ryan's great show that runs two
to four in the Denver market on six point thirty
kitsch w But I'm dying of curiosity. My friend Kimberly
(14:46):
frustrated with me commending you. What was that all about?
Speaker 5 (14:50):
I don't know. I don't know what the point of
reference is there. Will need her to clear that.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Out, Yeah, and I'm sure she will. So lots to
get to today. Listen, we have not been talking about
Tina Peters case forever, I think since the last time
I had Tina Peters on the show and we had
a respectful disagreement. But that trial is now underway. I
think they're in the second day of the trial. Jimmy
Sangenberger who sometimes fills in on this show very well,
(15:15):
and we appreciate that Jimmy has been all over this
case from the beginning, and he's in the courtroom, and
as a guy who's had the privilege of being in
the courtroom for national networks and stuff, for some of
the biggest trials in the country. As I've always told you, right,
you got to be in the courtroom to really know
a case. So it'll be great to have Jimmy's perspective
(15:35):
from the courtroom. So we'll get that update at four
point thirty six. I understand there's been a Jared Polis sighting,
which is relieving, right because you begin to worry about
the guy. I mean, you never see him. How come
he never got a sniff, never got a single sniff
from the media for Harris's VP.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
It ain't over yet, Oh, I get at it here.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Now you're teasing me. Can you imagine I take off
my clothes and dance on the roof of the iHeart Studios,
a dance of sheer, unbridled joy. Have you either of
your guys ever done that. I'm not talking about clothes off,
I'm just talking about have you ever just had one
of those those dances where you're just it's not even voluntary,
(16:18):
it's just such a joyous moment, you're just overtaken. Yes,
it's like you've heard that song, like you know, well, anyway,
have you ever done that?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Yes, on what occasion when the line got this job
game for the first time since my senior year in
high school this.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Year, but not in the NFC championship game. Why yeah,
I know it was brutal, It was so so cruel anyway,
So I would do that kind of dance if she
picked Polis. Unfortunately, the cabal that threw out the democratically
nominated Biden and installed her, they've made some smart moves,
(16:52):
and one of those smart moves is going to be
Josh Shapiro's VP.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Let me just counter one moment. Might they not want
a Casper milk toast white male avatar like Mark Kelly,
who would give them maybe some credence on the border
in a swing state Arizona. Shapiro's problematic for their identity politics, dearborn,
and the Muslims are not going to like it.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Dude, Dude, you got to start with come on altogether,
John Travolta, start with what staying alive. Staying alive. You
lose Pennsylvania, you are staying dead, staying dead. And Donald Trump,
Donald Trump, even with the Harris Sugar High right now,
Trump is still up for in Pennsylvania. So on top
(17:34):
of all the reasons Trump would appeal to Pennsylvania, you
have the heroism, you have the fact they almost killed
him in Pennsylvania and he handled it heroically. There's gotta
be a connection there between Trump's Trump and Pennsylvania. She
has got to win Pennsylvania no matter what. She loses Pennsylvania.
It's done so. And the reason I say it looks
(17:55):
like she's going to pick him is that he just
canceled some weekend fundraisers out of state. Stay in Pennsylvania.
So hey, when we come back. Jimmy Sangenberger from the
court room on the Dan Kepler Show.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast Disco Lessons?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Did you ever take disco lessons? I took disco lessons
on the CU Boulder campus.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
What about the powder blue suit?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You doesn't get any better? Oh my lord, I wish
I could still find that. But the very best was
the white one. We got to remember going with my
mom to the the Sears outlet store. Of course, now
people out here think Sears is an outlet store, but
back in Chicago, Sears had an outlet store out near
the airport, and I remember my mom and I going
(18:40):
over there and was going off to college, and I
got that white leisure suit jacket for about twenty bucks
and the big Swede, big Swede blue suede belt with
the big silver buckle, and then kind of the shiny
orange shirt that you wear under it with the big
collars that you know, looked like a paper plane. Yeah. Anyway,
(19:01):
that's what Jimmy Sangenberger wants to hear about. Jimmy's been
working real hard covering the Tina Peters case and doing
it for a long time and writing for the Denver
Gazette on it. He's actually in the courtroom, which is
an insurmountable advantage. Jimmy, welcome back to the den Kaplis Show.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Well, just to clarify, they're live streaming the case. Oh,
I can actually watch the trial from the comfort of
my home rather than being in Mason County.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Wow, which of your fifty TVs.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
In the living room? One, my computer, my cell phone,
It really depends on what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
It anything the Singing Burger Estate. Yeah, you need to
take the Bugatti from one end to the other. But
thank you for the clarification, Jimmy. And you're right. I mean,
when you're not actually in the courtroom, you lose a
little something because you can't be looking at the jury.
But the fact that you're actually watching the case, unlike me,
gives you a big advantage. So what's going on?
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Oh gosh, I mean, it's hard to even judge where
to start, except just for people who aren't too familiar.
The big top line is three years ago this month,
news broke of an alleged election security breach that details
and some files and copies of hard drives in the
election server for the Mason County Elections Office were leaked
(20:21):
online at a cyber symposium is where they were really
brought out headlined put on by Mike Lindell, and that
led to the investigators there in Mesa County pretty quickly.
It was actually was the Secretary of State Investigators I believe,
pretty quickly traced it to Masa County and found out
that these files were from the Mesa County election systems
(20:45):
and so they went through this whole process of the
investigation before they indicted mesa County clerk and recorded TEENA
Peters on seven felon accounts and a few misdemeanor counts
related to identity staffs and some other charges in this
election security breach and the identity theft piece is important
because coming up maybe tomorrow, will be testimony from a
(21:09):
man by the name of Gerald Jerry Wood whose identity
and badge were used. He was going to be a
possible consultant on standby, did a background check all this,
but his badge was used, he says, without his knowledge
by somebody else in nineteen nineties pro surfer named Conan Hayes.
And that name has been brought up quite a bit
(21:31):
already in the first two days of this trial, so
that just I think helps set the scene for those
who aren't so familiar with this. The bottom line is
Sena Peter's trying to prove stole an election election fraud
that was not done at all, by the way, but
she used allegedly illegal means to get this information that
she says proved something which frankly it doesn't prove.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And you say Conan's a surfer.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
In the nineteen nineties, he was a Professoral.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
There's always got to be because I'm flashing back to
Kato Klin, right, I mean, there's always something.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
But it's wild story. I mean, really he is the
MIT guy. But he was brought in to make copies
of the hard drive before and after this process of
an update called the Trusted.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
Build, which really has been the focus of.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
A lot of today's testimony, particularly from a guy by
the name of Jesse Romero who works for the Secretary
of State.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Who Jimmy Sangenberger, our guests, Who are the big players here?
Who's prosecuting ed who's the defense lawyer? What's all that?
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Dan Rubinstein is the Republican district attorney in Mesa County
who saw and succeeded in getting the indictment and is
along with somebody by the name of I forget his
first name. His last name is Shapiro. They are prosecuting
the case. And then a Colorado attorney by the name
of Michael Edminster out of Carbondale has actually sponsored out
(22:58):
of state attorneys, including one by the name of.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
Hartman.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Was Mike Hartman.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I've just curious a couple.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
Of out of state attorneys, which is rather interesting because
the judge yesterday during opening arguments even chastised Edminster for
not providing instructions on you know, the proper guidance to
the out of state attorneys.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Now, Jimmy Sandenberger with does any highlights in the case
so far?
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Yeah, what's been striking to me has been really the
way in which the judge has shut down a lot
of the arguments or threads that Tina Peters defense team
has tried to pull on. Even yesterday and opening arguments,
there was an objection from the prosecution which the judge
was sustaining, and the attorney at the time, a woman
(23:55):
last named Jones, said hold on to the judge and
was then chastised for interrupting the judge. And today, I
mean there was even one instance where the judge sustained
another objection from the prosecution for a line of questioning
that wasn't he determined wasn't relevant, and the attorney Hartman
(24:16):
mutters under his breathword wow, and then gets chastised as
well by the judge. So alls some stuff going on
in terms of the defense that I just I don't
understand the line of argument that they're taking in some respects,
and also it's a certain leading to the judge being frustrated.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
And Jimmy, what is the defense.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
The defense?
Speaker 6 (24:39):
It's hard to really determine exactly because yesterday what they
did in their opening argument was spend more time than
anything else just with lofty things about the about the
jury and their role and how important that is. Today
is a big line of argument that the attorneys for
(25:01):
Tina Peters seemed to be going down was delegitimizing restrictions
that the Secretary of State's office put in place in
twenty twenty one visa the COVID on who was allowed
in the election office at the time of this trusted
build process. And what that is about is whether or
(25:21):
not Conan Hayes. It's a problem that Conan Hayes was there,
whether he was under the auspices of pretending to be
Jerry Wood or not. But they're trying a few different threads.
It's hard to piece together what specifically their argument really
is at this point. When end probably by next Friday,
(25:43):
it could be as soon as Wednesday of.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Next next week, next not as well.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Yeah, there, Okay, they've got a number of more witnesses
to get through, and today they're really only getting through
the first two, which was the Masa County investigator in
this case and the Secretary of State employee who I.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Mention any predictions, Gosh.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
I think it's going to be one to watch to
see how it goes with the different employees that worked
for Tina Peters, and when Jerry Wood ends up giving
his testimony, and how the defense handles their cross examination there.
I find it hard to imagine that Tina Peters gets
(26:27):
out of this one squeaky clean. There's a lot there
that she's even admitted to. She's admitted to having somebody
go in and make these copies of the hard drive,
admitted to being Conan Hayes, I believe, so on and
so forth. So I don't know how this can end
very well for Tina.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
To be honest, Jimmy, how can people follow you and
your work in the Gazette and beyond.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Regularly right Tuesdays and Fridays, Denvergazette dot com. And I'm
also tweeting on this case on XL formally twitter at
saying center that sing with an e, not an a
center on.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
X Jimmy, appreciate the good work and let's get some updates.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Awesome.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Thanks, Dan, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Thank you, my friend. That is Jimmy Sangenberger. Hey, if
you just joined us, thank you. And to reward you
for that act of generosity, when we come back, we'll
play some Kamala Harris sound that will put a smile
on your face, particularly if like me, you want Trump
to win. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
And now back to the Dankapla Show podcast.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
And when we all sing happy tunes and sing Merry
Christmas and wish each other merry Christmas, these children are
not going to have a merry Christmas? How dare we
speak merry Christmas? How dare we.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Can you can hear the sound of two or three
Swing states just falling away from her, there, can't you?
Oh my goodness, Hey, listen, we know Trump's campaign is
can Pain organization has been very good overall, so that
has got to show up in a lot of spots, right,
And that's why it's going to be such a great
three months, because it is what it is. She is
(28:12):
a San Francisco radical and you've got all that sound
in video in her own voice. People don't have to
cut stuff up and deep fake and this and that that.
That's just who she really is. And America is not
going to go there. It would take Donald Trump so alienating,
so deeply alienating so many people because America is not
(28:34):
going to elect Kamala Harris. America is not going to
vote for Kamala Harris. America may vote against Donald Trump,
I sure hope not, but Kamala Harris. No, America is
not going to vote for a San Francisco radical Dean
in Kansas. You're on the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Welcome Hey, Jan. Every time you see San Francisco radical,
I always think Fanancisco treat that obviously sees the oppotunity
of that. Anyway, I was talking, I was talking to Kelly,
and I think that jd Vance might have trumpled her.
(29:10):
Better off with with Dolphy Gabert because she knocked out
Harris liked it in the first date and number two.
I agree with Ryan. I think Shapurrow is going to
be friction against Michigan, which could help prompt.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I appreciate the call, my friend. A great point that
you make about Tulca Gabbert taking down Kamala Harrison. The
first debate, the relevance I think in the debate or
debates that are coming up, and I predicted it'll probably
be one debate, right, because if somebody clearly wins the
first one, then they'll find some reason not to have
a second one. But but what that shows that the
Gabert takedown, and we'll play that sound at some point,
(29:49):
is that, listen, Kamala Harris will be very good in
the debate, certainly compared to Biden, but very good at
having some canned lines and throwing some punches at Trump
and things like that.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
You really think she's gonna be good in an abrut.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I hadn't finished. I guess how many times have I
said at home? I can't be wrong till I'm done?
How can I be wrong till I'm done?
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Can it be so right that you're wrong?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
That that worries me? But here's here's the point. Here's
the point. And you see this all the time. You
see it in courtrooms too. You see the people who
can get up there and they can you know, they
got some prepared remarks, and they look good, and they
articulate well, and they say these things she will do
that well in the debate, and compared to Joe Biden.
I mean, you know, she'll looked like she came down
(30:35):
from the mountaintop. But but it's the ability to respond
when you come under attack, and Tulca Gabbard exposed that
at least that night, she didn't have that, and she
didn't have that a lot, which which is why her
campaign fell apart, one of the reasons it fell apart.
And so that's going to be the most interesting part
(30:58):
of the debate. Why do you think they're hiding her
right now?
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Now?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Listen, she's on this sugar high right, She's got the
vast majority of the media protecting her. She's not Joe Biden.
So there's this oh, we're back from the grave phenomena.
But they're hiding her because she doesn't have good answers
to the tough questions on substance number one and number two.
She doesn't handle those questions.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Well, I'll take it further, she doesn't have the chops,
she doesn't have the work ethic. Dan, do you know
her staff turnover is somewhere in the neighborhood of like
ninety eight plus percent. There's a reason why yes, she
doesn't want to work. She gets annoyed by her staffers
when they try to get her to work. She's lazy,
and I'm talking about strictly work ethic here and preparation.
She doesn't want to do the homework and she doesn't
(31:43):
study for the exam, and so Dan this has been chronicled.
You can go look it up listeners right now. Don't
take my word for it. Google it maybe will be
on a different server, but that this is the reason
she shows up to events and talks in circles and
these kind of wandering Kamala like raises and stuff. It's
because she didn't do her homework.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
But I think we have to be realistic about what's
going on right now. In my opinion, what's almost certain
to be going on right now is it's not her campaign.
She is not in charge. She didn't get a single vote. Nope,
whatever cabal deposed the democratically elected nominee and chose to
insert her is in charge. And so these smart moves
(32:24):
we see being made right now has nothing to do,
in my opinion, nothing to do with her. It's the cabal.
It is whoever deposed Biden and is behind all of this,
but they are making some smart moves. But you're right, Ryan, Historically, Yeah,
whether it's in the Vice President's office or during your campaign,
she can't keep staff, she alienates everybody. Everything falls apart.
(32:46):
But whoever this cabal is that deposed Biden and inserted her,
they're really good at what they do.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
What about the friction between Biden and Obama, Dan Bongino's
been talking about this. I think Ben Shapiro too, that
the Obamas didn't necessarily want Kamala, but Biden kind of
jumped the gun, beat them to the punch because he
has so much animosity towards them, said Okay, I'm going
to come right out and endorse Kamala, and then that
was a done deal.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah. For this reason, right, Biden and nobody can argue
with this. Credibly, Biden wants the people who deposed him
to lose, So of course he would want Kamala to
be the nominee because think how much stronger the Democrats
would be if they had some of the other options.
Now they're going to get the benefit and it'll be
(33:32):
a real benefit of Josh Shapiro on the ticket as
the VP in all likelihood. But if you had Shapiro
Whitmer or Whittmer Shapiro or something like that. It's infinitely
stronger than Kamala Harris on top because think about this
moment and revel in this. It's such a beautiful, calming,
warming thought. Think about when that day comes, and it
(33:53):
will come maybe a few weeks down the road, but
it will come when her polls start to go the
other way.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Think about that day because it's understandable why they're upright now.
She's not Joe Biden. They're back from the dead. The
media is making her out to be Barack Obama. But
when they start to come back down, what's going to
get them up again? What's going to stop them from
continuing to go down and down and down as Americans
see more and more and more about who she really is.
That's right, But if the Democrats had chosen one of
(34:24):
their other options, they'd be in a much better position.
Eight x five or zero five A two five five
text D an five seven seventh three nine. You're on
the Dan Kapler Show.
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