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December 19, 2025 35 mins
In the first hour of today's show, Kristi Burton Brown fills in for Dan Caplis and reacts to Donald Trump's controversial speech from earlier in the week
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
And Capitalists Show.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm Christy Burton Brown in for Dan today and less
than a week until Christmas, which I'm very excited about.
My kids are even more excited about. Hopefully you are too.
My son's biggest complaint is that it's not cold enough
and it hasn't snowed enough yet for Christmas, so we'll.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
See if we end up getting a white Christmas or not.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
But the weather's been strange with all the winds and fires,
and hope if any of you are in those situations
and listening to this, that you're in a safe place
and doing okay. Today, as I was preparing for the show,
it was just running through the news, which I like
to do on a regular basis anyway, due to my
job at Advanced Colorado in my position on the state
Board of Education, and hey, I'm a nerd. I like

(00:57):
the news. I like to know what's going on in politics.
But as I was looking through it, I'm like, Wow,
how can we narrow down what to talk about today?
Because while Christmas is coming in the New Year's about
to be here and most people like to shut off politics,
there is a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Going on now. President Trump gave a speech earlier in
the week.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
I'm not sure that I'm quite sure what the point
of that speech was, But what I like about it
is that he's, you know, trying to communicate more often
with the American people. I think got to give him
points for that, whether or not you loved the content
of the speech. But I think what was really interesting
is that Marco Rubia, Secretary of State, gave an amazing

(01:35):
speech on America's foreign policy today. Sometimes I think foreign
policy doesn't get enough attention, particularly perhaps with you know,
the focus of the MAGA movement like make America great Again.
We often talk about, you know, America our own national interests,
which I'm a fan of. For sure, that's great, that's
what we should consider as a nation. But how does

(01:57):
that apply to foreign policy? I think that's a really
interesting question that isn't often answered. And so Mark Rubio,
I think wou be one of the most involved public
facing secretaries of State that we have had in quite
some time.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I mean, did we hear from Hillary Clinton when she
was Secretary of State a little, but he usually wasn't
good when she was in the news. It was usually.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Disaster she was trying to explain away, like being hausey
and other ones like that. I think Mark Rubio has
had a list of even some stunning achievements as Secretary
of State. I think one of my favorite clips of
him was, you know, sitting around the cabinet meeting with
President Trump on Labor Day and he made some joke

(02:42):
that I would get to forget, so I'm not gonna
be able to repeat it, right, but he made a
joke about just how many jobs he had on Labor
Day looking forward to the next one. I don't know
if I've ever heard of a single person having that
many jobs in one presidential administration. But if you missed
his speech today, take take some time, even if it's.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Over the next couple weeks to listen to it.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Teenagers, if you have kids in college, like this, I
just think is such a good education on what American
foreign policy is. But why the Trump administration and Secretary
of State Rubio are setting the stage as they.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Are in the world right now.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
I think it gives a lot of explanation to why
the international community respects America more when Trump is president
contrasted to whin Biden as president. And I'm hopeful I
can play maybe a couple of those clips.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
For you later in the show.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
We'll see if we're able to do that, but usually
listen to it for yourself, and I think two of
the most interesting pieces if you can listen to it,
talk about both how the Trump administration is dealing with
the Venezuelan drug cartels. Our own Congressman Jason Crowe here
in Colorado, one of the biggest objectors to President Trump
cracking down on the Venezuelan drug cartels and blowing their

(03:48):
boats out of the water. I actually I filled in
as a Republican analyst on Fox News, I think last
week or the week before, and the issue came up
and the Democrat analyst was talking about how unacceptable it
was that when a couple of the drug cartel members survived,
they were shot again to make sure they didn't survive.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
You know, I think.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Most people whose lives have been touched by fentanyl, cocaine,
other drugs, they know someone who's died from it, Like
those drug cartel members are in fact terrorists bringing things
into our country, killing our kids. Getting rid of them
is sort of what they've exposed themselves to because of
the work they've decided to participate it. So I just
think it's an interesting highlight of the current Democrat Party,

(04:31):
like their Democrat analysts, Congressman Crow, and multiple others at
the national level are criticizing taking out.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Drug dealers, Like where do you have to be in.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Your first and whole political standpoint to criticize the president
for taking out drug cartel members from a country that
refuses to help us crack down on it. So as
Secretary of State, Rubio talked about that very well. But
then he also talked about the idea of the United
States funding NGOs, and those are all the like no
nonprofit non governmental organizations that the United States gives taxpayer

(05:05):
dollars to to do work in other countries. Now, a
lot of this work is humanitarian aid, feeding starving children,
a lot of work that most people would probably support.
But as we've seen over the course of the year,
if we do sort of a review of twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Five, we see that a lot of these NGOs have.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Been caught doing very corrupt things, similar to what the
UN does when they're given a ton of money and just, oh,
go fix this problem in a country. A lot of
the NGOs have similar problems on corruption. We've also seen
complete waste because of anytime it's you know, a layered
service actually provided by the government through these other organizations,
you tend to find, you know, way too many layers

(05:47):
of bureaucracy and a lot of waste involved. And then
you also find organizations that start out doing something good
like feeding starving kids, but then move on to like
force sterilizations, in handing out birth control and providing abortions
and doing all these other things that the government wasn't
originally planning on paying for. But these NGOs just get
deep into their own mission instead of doing what the

(06:09):
US federal government and the taxpayers are actually paying them
to do. So all I have to say, tons of
problems with NGOs that have been uncovered and that have
been receiving national taxpayer funding for decades. And Marco Rubio
did a really good job talking through that and saying, hey,
if we're going to give taxpayer money, we cannot forget
it is taxpayer money to these organizations to do work

(06:31):
in other countries. We have to consider our own national
interest in why we're doing it. And basically, and I'm
obviously paraphrasing here, this isn't exactly what he said, but
not just be handing out money to organizations that really
are just getting taxpayer funding to go do their own
mission around the world. That's not the job of the
United States government. And here's my personal perspective on it.
A lot of the charity work, humanitarian aid that is

(06:55):
done around the world should absolutely be done, but should
be done with charitable dollars, not taxpayer funds. Like no
wonder we are so many trillions of dollars in debt,
no wonder, we don't have a balanced budget at a
federal level. Americans are compassionate, and that's a great thing.
But when Americans are forced to pay for charity around

(07:18):
the world instead of have the ability to choose which
works of charity they would like to participate in around
the world, you have waste, you have corruption, you have
national debt, You forget your own national interests, and people
in other countries I don't think are actually getting the
level and quality of help that they'd actually be given
if charitable organizations.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Were held accountable as they are.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
C three's and foundations are held very accountable, like have
to report to the irs and do all these other things,
provide excellent reports for their donors. They're held accountable to
the people who give them money, not the same situation
when you're an NGO funded by the government.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
It's such a great point, KBB, because you know, I'm
just going to put it out there what I contribute to,
not as a badge of honor, but just I feel
passionately about it. But like you said, I chose to
give the tunnel to Towers. I choose to give to
Saint Jude's because that's what my mom wanted one of
her dying wishes. But I feel good about that, and
I feel good about Americans that we do have charitable hearts,

(08:13):
that we are a generous people, that we don't have
to be forced to do it, like you mentioned, with
taxpayer funds. And this is where the whole Doge effort
exposed that waste, fraud, and abuse. We see what's happening
in Minnesota when the government's in charge of those kind
of programs it's completely inefficient. And that's the kindest way
to put it correct if you put it, if you

(08:34):
want more of your dollars as a percentage to go
where they're intended to go and to actually help people,
then it's through private charities where that happens the most
and where it happens the best.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Absolutely, No, very well put in good summary, Ryan, and
I think that's something we can look forward to with
Rubio as Secretary of State, and I hope future positions
in the federal government.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Quick question along those lines are going to put you
on the stop. But there's not a wrong answer for it. Yeah,
if you had your brother right now to vote for
the president in twenty twenty eight, would it be Marco
Rubio for you?

Speaker 5 (09:04):
Jd Vance, Ron DeSantis? Other? And why?

Speaker 2 (09:07):
One hundred percent?

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Mark Rubio really and why I think he has proven
how successful he is from the Senate to working on
international issues taking it to Secretary of State. He has
taken the time to work in so many positions now
in so many situations. I think you can't match his experience,
especially on an international stage. I think America has to

(09:28):
keep our strength on the international stage. And then he
also while supporting Trump policies in America. First policies I
think is presidential, I think is professional. Is a real
genuine person with a very good personal history, by the way,
and I'd love to get back to that as a
Republican party.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
A man of character, a man of faith.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
So other great people out there, but he's one hundred
percent my choice.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
All right, we have to go to a break.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Calling over the break if you have thoughts three oh
three seven one three eight two five five or text
Dan to five seven seven three nine.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Before we get into more news, I have to ask
you what kind of Christmas music person are you like?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Before Thanksgiving?

Speaker 4 (10:14):
No, no Black Friday and later. I'm all Christmas all
the time, but I gotta have my Thanksgiving time.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
I gotta pace myself.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
I love Christmas, don't get me wrong, but I also
love the classics, like you just heard there from Brenda
Lee rocking around the Christmas Tree.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
One of my favorite songs is from Meet Me in
Saint Louis.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas is my absolute favorite
Christmas song, as sung by Judy Garland.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Okay, I'm gonna have to look that one up. I can
count on you to have the classics.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
I'm old tiny over here.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yes, yes, that's great with your christmaswater on today.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
It's my ugly Detroit Lions Christmas.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Oh okay, Like we just had a Christmas party at
our house last night. My daughter organized it with her friend,
like all their like you know, little teenage friends. It's
very cute. But it was either like you have to
dress very nice and like Christmas dresses or an ugly
Christmas sweater.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
Yeah, well the latter.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
And I was actually my Sunday with Ross Kamenski, who
was raised Jewish, and this actually serves as both because
the Lions are Honolulu blue, so it fits for Hanukkah
and I'm ready for that too, even though I'm not Jewish.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Okay, all right, Well back to the news. I do now,
thanks to Ryan, have some clips for y'all to listen
to from Marcarubio's speech, but I want to get to.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Some texts first.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
So one Texter, Ryan, this is for you, I think
someone said, as a Tennessee native, I'm very happy to
hear of Ryan's donations to Saint Jude brings me to tears.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
So yeah, well it brings me to tears too, because
every year around this time, you know, that was my
mom's last wish. She really appreciated the work they did
for children. You know, it's just so unfair that they
have to deal with that at such a young age.
And it's a wonderful organization. So Texter, thank you for that.
And yeah, it's a way for me to keep my
mom's memory alive and honor her wishes.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Absolutely no, And I think this is the top of
your Everyone sort of thinks about that, like, yeah, who
can we who can we donate to?

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Who can we give to?

Speaker 3 (12:08):
This really make a difference in people's lives something you know,
my family thinks to My husband likes to take time
to do in December, and I think a lot of
people do. So I just I just think somebody's the
government takes for granted Americans charitable spirits and compassionate nature
and it's like, oh, we'll take care of that as
the government.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
And I'd even say it's one.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Of the biggest difference between Democrats and Republicans at our
core like philosophies is the Democrats think in order to
care for people, government must do it, and Republicans say no.
In order to care for people, other people in communities
and churches are going to step in and do it.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
And the cynic in me says that the left uses
that caring as a guys for the fraud and the corruption.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
And the waste and the use that we see.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
This is something Rush Limbaugh pointed out on the regular. Yeah,
that it's more about symbolism over substance with the left,
with liberals that they want to be made to look
like they care. They want to present this image on
the outside like they are compassionate people, much more so
than those krusty hearted Ebenezer Scrooge Republicans. The truth of
the matter is that you just pointed out, KBB, we

(13:15):
just believe in a different way of doing things that
we feel is more efficient and effective.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, exactly. It's not that we don't care, it's we
think the solution comes from somewhere else outside the government. Okay,
lots of more text, let's see. Okay, Erica Kirk supporting
jd Vance for president is a premature announcement. Yeah, I
actually saw that today too, and kind of thought the
same myself very early to like, I guess, get out

(13:41):
there and support someone for president.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
But presidential campaigns happen.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Real early, but it is probably a year earlier than
you'd normally see, especially just because you know Trump just
finish is finishing his first year of a second term
in office.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
So I agree a little early.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
But I think the Kirks and Advances we're friends, also
not a surprise announcement there either.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
I prefer Mark.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Rubio, but I mean I wouldn't object to Advance Rubio
ticket either.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
It's actually something one of my friends brought up to
me the other day.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
They're like, Okay, you like Rubio for a president, but
what if Vance, you know, Vans and Rubio both run.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
It's probably more likely at this point that.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Vance gets the nomination. What if it were like a
Vance and Rubio ticket. I was like, I like that
because you know, if Vance won, that would give Rubio
like he's secretary, he's senator, he's Secretary of State, he's
vice president, and then he runs for president. I mean,
talk about someone who could really shape the policy of
our government, who I think is a good, good person
at his at his core, and the right person to

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lead the country.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
So I wouldn't object to that.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
I'm a big fan of JD. Vance, so I want
to get that out there. I would completely support him
for president without hesitation whatsoever.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
I love his story. It's similar to mine in the
Upper Midwest.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
That's an spelled came from nothing, made everything of himself
and for himself. But I was a Marco Rubio guy
from way back, right, and I'm talking for twenty sixteen.
That was my guy. In the primary. I went and
saw him at the airport hangar in Grand Rapids, Michigan
during the primary. Voted for him in the primary. But
it was after that that I kind of had this
aha moment when it came to Donald Trump. Because I'm

(15:12):
gonna be frank with you, Christy, and you were very
young at that point.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
It's all those years ago now nine years ago.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
But I kind of thought the whole Donald Trump thing
was a theater and that he was just looking to
raise his profile, that he dropped out of the race,
that he'd come up with a reason, that he'd come
up with an excuse me, Well, I.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
Couldn't run, they weren't fan of me, and then he'd
kind of go about his merry way.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
But it was on the debate stage where he just
skewered Jeff Bush, and I began to take notice. And
then when he dubbed Marc Rubia little Marco, and he
really had political skill that could not be matched.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
And I took him seriously.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
When he won Michigan and he did so convincingly, I'm like, Okay,
there's something up here. And that's when I kind of
I got in line. I'm like, I don't know. I
was like I was going on a roller coaster and
Dance said the same thing. And maybe you did too.
I'm a life issue in particular with Dan, But for me,
I'm like, I don't like Hillary Clinton, so that's not happening.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
I guess we're going to go ahead and vote for
Trump and see what happens.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Ben Shapiro did not vote for Trump in twenty sixteen,
and I think he has since obviously seeing the air
of his ways. For you, back then, in twenty sixteen, Christy,
did you end up voting for Trump?

Speaker 5 (16:23):
I did.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
I voted for him in the general election every time
he ran. He was not my primary choice. Just to
be perfectly honest, I was like a cruise delegate at
this at the National carriage change. Just I thought he
was more solid on the issues that I care about,
more proven, and that's the kind of people I tend
to pick. I want to know what your principles are
going to be. But in the end, for me, well,

(16:44):
I do have a lot of I think problems with
some character issues or style issues with President Trump. I
think when it came down to it and his promise
to appoint conservative justices to the US Supreme Court, that
became a very important thing to a lot of people
who value the life issue as much as I do
and other key issues, and I in the end, I
was like, Okay, I'm gonna vote for him because I

(17:06):
do think he.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Has the right list of judges. I think he's going
to keep that promise. And of course he ended up
doing exactly that.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
And we've seen so many Supreme Court decisions that I
think have either been reversed or interpreted First Amendment issues
interpreted the right way on the court because of the justices,
including Neil Gorsich, Colorado's own it is that Donald Trump appointed.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
So I'm happy I made that decision.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
It was it was hard to come to you, to
be perfectly honest, In the end, but Hillary Clinton was
just an absolutely no go I mean right.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
There, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris. I voted for
Donald Trump with gusto, without hesitation, without blinking, without redirection,
all three times, no regrets whatsoever, no regrets.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
I'd get the tattoo no regrets if I had to.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
But to me.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
It was a binary choice. It's like this or they're like, Okay,
we're gonna go with Trump and we're going to.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
Hope for the best.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Well, in the end, we don't get perfect choices, right,
and like we live at a fallen world, and sometimes
you don't get to be like, well, I'm gonna hold
out for the perfect candid if they're not running, it
isn't real life, Like you might feel good about yourself.
I think sometimes doing that, So I understand why people do,
and there's a lot of people actually know and respect
to do that. But I think for me anyways, I'm like,
let's live in the world we live in and do

(18:16):
the best we can do with the choices represented.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
You can call in three zero three seven, one three
eight two five five or texts Dan to five seven,
seven three nine. I keep getting asked what I think
about Marjorie Taylor Green. I guess we'll talk about her.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
When we come back. And Marco Rubio.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
And polling Trump's numbers, Gavin Newsom's numbers kind of interesting.
You're on the Dan Kapla Show.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Thanks for joining us tonight. Just a few days before Christmas.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Lots of texts coming in, people theorizing about the twenty
twenty eight president race. Imagine a Cruise Rubio ticket. Someone says,
that would be a very smart ticket. I will say
that that too.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, no, I do too. I honestly like Ted Cruz
less than I did in twenty sixteen. But some of
it's just a style and whatever.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
I just see other people I think would be better
in that position right now. But brilliant, it's very smart,
lots of good ideas and very principled. Someone else saying,
if Cruz wanted to enter the twenty twenty eight presidential race,
it would be his to lose. I actually don't agree
with that, And again, I was a Cruise delegate in
twenty sixteen, but I just I actually think he's.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Lost a lot of popularity. He certainly has his.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Podcast and talks about a lot of issues, has his
place where I think he does some good things, but
I don't see him as ever being president in just
my opinion. Okay, someone else, if we could get Trump
to let the polling establish the leading candidate and endorse them,
things would work best. Agree that wo'd probably be the
way to get the most unity the Republican Party. But

(20:01):
what I find interesting is I totally thought that President
Trump would be fully in favor of Jade Vance and
JD Vance, like only as his VP. But he's made
like really great comments about Vance and Rubio and kind
of saying like either one of them would be good.
So I'm curious if that, you know, stays in his
position and he really does, let you know, the Republican
Party the primary voters decide, or if he comes down

(20:23):
on one side or the other. Speaking of polling, it
was actually pretty interesting. A poll came out. I think
it was Fox News here in Colorado that sponsored the poll,
but as a nationwide poll, and it was it was
testing like the approval ratings of President Trump. I think
I think Governor Polis and Gavin Newsom, and both Newsom

(20:43):
and Trump had higher disapproval ratings than approval ratings, but
Gavin Newsom's was worse than President Trump's, which I just
thought was, you know, pretty funny because I think that's
someone who really thinks that he is going to be
president one day. He actually modeled his king style after
Bobby Kennedy. If you read about Gavin Newsom and how
he got to the position he did, that was one

(21:05):
of his strategies is like, find someone who is like
known to be a very good public speaker, and he
taught himself to speak the same way, which is somewhat
of an interesting strategy and got him as far as
he's gone. But I mean, just imagine the ads on
TV if Gavin Newsom is actually the Democrats and nominee
for president, Like those are going to be so devastating. Look,
if you look at everything that happens in California, I'd

(21:26):
be like, yeah, broadcast not around the nation. How are
all the homeless encampments in San Francisco and the debt
and just a crime and all these crazy issues in
California going to play out in swing states russ Belt
states like you know, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, I Georgia,
North Carolina like a Southern states too. I do not
see that going well. Forget for Gavin Newsom. Uh okay,

(21:50):
let's see what else. What do I think about Marjorie
Taylor Green. Well, I won't spend very much time on
this because I just have never been a fan. Like
That's what I think about Marjorie Taylor Green. I think,
you know, she certainly has some principles that I agree with,
but I have considered her career in Congress to be
more performative than substantive, and I'm not necessarily a fan

(22:12):
of that style of politician. I think you have to
be smart and not always putting yourself out in the
news cycle on the most radical, extreme issue. You can
put yourself out there for if you want to work
behind the scenes and actually get things done. So I'm
a bigger fan of people who get things done rather
than who like talk on TV.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Now, a lot of comparisons have been drawn in the
past between MTG and our own Lauren Bolbert.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
In fact, they don't like that. No, well, I don't think.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
I don't think I'm spilling any tea as to say
that Lauren's not MTG's biggest fan.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
And probably vice versa, but oh yeah, vice versa for sure,
Katie B.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
They both had very similar stances on the Epstein Files.
Lauren went headlong against the Trump administration. She was called
into a skiff. She talked about it with me exclusively
on my program. Yeah, and that they kind of had it,
they hashed it out, they understood they had differences. She
expressed hers the president respected hers, and we didn't see
this kind of blow up between her and President Trump.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Right.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Why do you think Lauren was so much better able
to handle and navigate that than MTG.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
I actually did find that very interesting, and I don't
know that. I certainly don't have an inside story on it,
so I'm unsure exactly what happened there.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
My guess is.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
There are more issues at play than just the Epstein
Files with MTG and the President and Lauren Bobert and
the President. I do think, you know, Lauren has done
a good job, I guess, managing her relationship with the
President over the years and been a little more careful
about that in a way that I'm not convinced MTG
has been. I think, well, well, both are prone to

(23:45):
saying whatever they want to at times when it may
be inadvisable. I think MTG has gone even more more
overboard and not always considered the consequences.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
If Lauren went the MTG route of appearing on sixty Minutes,
going on the view, sitting on CNN, I would literally
text her and go, did you suffer a brain injury?
And she would reply thank you? Maybe I have because
I cannot imagine a world KBB where Lauren would be
diluted into thinking these people are suddenly my friends.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
No they're not.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
You're an effective tool for the time being, a cudgel
to use against Trump, and once you're no longer useful
to them able tostard you Hello, Adam Kinzinger, Hello Liz Cheney,
Hello Ken Buck by the WM.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
Unfortunately's throw that out there.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah, well, and I do think there's again, there's a
way to get things done behind the scenes. And I
think on the Epstein files, which by the way, I
agree with Lauren on very much.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
Me too.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I think she was one hundred percent right to push
for that release.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
We deserved that they were more released today real quick.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
Oh that we saw some of the images Bill Clinton,
no surprise but did you see who else was capturing
those images? More than one I did very famous name
no frontman for the Rolling Stones, Mick Jagger.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
Yeah, yeah, whoa that.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
It's a bunch of well known famous people. See that's here,
it is Christy.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
This is where I believe President Trump experienced his reluctance
because he knew names.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
Maybe like that one.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
We're going to come out probably.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Permanently, Sully the reputation and I would be like, well,
that's too bad.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, you made a bad choice, so you have to go.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
To Epstein Island or hang out or this creep right,
And maybe there's something wrong with them, and why protect them?
If I had a closed door meeting with President Trump,
that'd be my number one thing. And I bet Lawrence
said some of the same things, like why are you
protecting these people?

Speaker 5 (25:30):
They wouldn't protect you. No, Mit Jagger wouldn't protect Donald Trump.
I don't believe.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Well, and in my view, you don't use political positions
to benefit your friends, Like that's not the point of
having a position.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
And I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
A lot happens all the time, but like I think
that's why a lot of you know, younger people in
particularly are disillusioned with politics is because they think there's
a lot of that that goes on. And I think,
you know, whether it be Joe Biden pardoning his son,
or whether it be President Trump sometimes taking extra positions
as president, it doesn't need a take to benefit his

(26:04):
friends or people that he knows. I just thought I
disagree with that. I don't care who's doing it. I
don't think that's the purpose of being president or any position.
And yes, does everyone do it, probably most of them do.
That doesn't make it right, And so I do think,
you know, kongor froman Bobert was absolutely right and EMPTG
to push on the release of those files and here
we are. I just do think Lauren played that better

(26:27):
and in a smarter way than MTG did.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
So, you know, never bet a fan of.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
MTG, so I'm not personally sad to see her go,
but I'm happy to see that one of her last
acts was pushing on the revelation of documents that the
American people absolutely deserve to have true.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
It would be fascinating for me though, whether it was
on my.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Show or just in a private conversation with Lauren to
kind of get her thoughts on how you.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
Manage that relationship with President Trump.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
He can be volatile and if if he views you
as disloyal, he'll cut Marjorie to trade a green, We're
gonna call it brown.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
That's what happens. Green turns to brown. And yet Lauren.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
Has not invoked the wrath of President Trump, even if
she has disagreed with him on some things.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
So she manages to keep it respectful. She does, and
she rides that line.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
And I think he respects her in that you will
express when she disagrees, but will do so in a
confidential manner behind closed doors. And then CNN everybody else,
Kyle Clark get her out. Well what do you think?

Speaker 5 (27:25):
What do you think? And you know she's not gonna
play that game?

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Well no, And I think public respect is a more
effective way to do it and then work privately behind
the scenes to get the results you want rather than
be I mean, like, if you're like, oh, we're gonna
go blast this person in the media and like, it's
probably gonna whether you're friend and you're like, and it's
probably gonna work. Like it actually rarely works because they
don't respect you anymore or want to do what you say.
It can work with a political opponents sometimes, but not

(27:50):
with political allies. So all right, there's the answer to
Marjorie Taylor degree and that job. A couple of people
are texting it about, so there you go. Okay, so
we have to take a break, but you can call
in over the break three zero three seven one three
eight two five five or keep texting to Dan who
five seven seven three nine. I'm Christy Burton Brown. I
will play those rubio clips when we get back.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
More text. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
I love to hear what you all think as as
our listeners, so thanks for tuning in and sharing your thoughts.
Let's see someone is saying we were talking about Epstein
files being a lot of them being released today. I
saw they were released, but haven't looked at them myself yet.
Someone saying Microsoft guys like Bill Gates and others listed.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
In the files.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I'm sure a whole lot of names are going to
be in those files and coming out someone else. If
you're Microsoft and in the Epstein files, you probably had
to pay extra.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I don't know how their whole scenario worked.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
I just know.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
It's awful and I think American people deserve transparency when
a scandal is uncovered, when crimes, you know, are known.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
About, people should should have the details and know exactly
what happened.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
And I think anyone trying to hide it, you know,
wasn't doing the right thing. American people absolutely should know
what happened. Since the trial with Jeffrey Ebstein never happened
because he was killed in my opinion, in jail, or
killed himself, whatever you want to believe. But I think
he was killed. I think it was a hit taken
out on him. All the signs point to that in
my opinion. And I am not a conspiracy theorist like

(29:26):
I think. Susie Wiles says that Jadie Vance is if
I read that report right, she if you guys heard
the story of the last week. Susie Wiles was caught
on recordings and she's, you know, high.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Up in the White House is the chief of staff
for President Trump, I think, And yeah, that's what I thought.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
And so she was caught on recordings kind of describing
the personality of different people in the Trump administration and
she said, you know that Trump has the personality of
an alcoholic, while he of course doesn't drink at all.
But that's at an interesting explanation of that, just saying, well,
what that means basically the personality of an alcoholic.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
It means you're like.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Always looking for some sort of like adrenaline rush, but
can perform sometimes well under pressure.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
And so they're theorizing that. What she means by that is.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
The president often does give his best speeches and to
his most you know, coherent commentary during bad times, when
bad things are happening, he rises to the occasion and delivers.
And so it's like sort of like the adrenaline rush
of a pressure situation that maybe an alcoholic is seeking
with through alcohol, and he doesn't drink at all, so
obviously he doesn't get that.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
But anyway, that's what she was getting at.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
And then I thought I read in some other source
that she said Jade Vance often you know, has throughout
his life anyways, has believed conspiracy. So she was talking
about him being some sort of conspiracy theorist, which I
just find funny. Doesn't qualify or disqualify someone if you
are a conspiracy theorist or wonder about them out there, But.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Does he believe in Bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (30:52):
I mean that's the real dome is so rebid matter?

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Yeah? Does he believe that the moon landing was real?

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I don't know. Okay, you to go ask Susie Wiles
apparently who's heard all about it.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
Was this an interview with Vanity Fairs who it was.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Well, there was that interview too, but there were recordings
of what she was saying. Okay, So I mean she's
obviously like surviving it plenty.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Well, happen to.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
Her football fans out there.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
She is Pat Summerl's daughter Pat Summer all, of course,
the legendary play by play broadcaster for the NFL on
CBS and Fox. And I think she did a remarkable job,
KBB of keeping the president.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
As much as possible, as much as it is.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Possible on message, on task focused discipline campaign, a winning campaign,
winning all seven swing states.

Speaker 5 (31:43):
So you can't argue with the results.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah, no, I mean she's serious, should be taken seriously
and did a great job.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Another text he saying j D and Marco is the
best choice for the GOP. We were talking about that
in an earlier segment. That's one of my friends had
suggested earlier this week when we were talking about it.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
I was like, I prefer Rubio to Vance. What if
they as president and Vice president?

Speaker 5 (32:04):
Trump keeps suggesting and to work at it.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
They ask him, and he says, well, maybe you have
Vance and Rubio together.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Get them both.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
And have you seen the JD. Vance memes?

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Oh the please and thank you one curly hair and
the beard and the pink tide.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
He's like fallen over buildings, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Well, Katie, what's great about him is he so tuned
into pop culture and the online kind of vibe. He
leans into that, embraces it. He put a wig on
for Halloween and posted that. I think that's important and
effective in communicating with young voters.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
He gets it well, and that's sort of what you
need to look for. I think two things that they
both offer.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
Jd.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Vance does offer sort of that resonance with younger voters,
and like you know, using the same kind of sites
they use with social media, the same kind of memes
they enjoy. Doesn't get all mad when they're unflattering of him.
He thinks they're funny. He plays them up like that's
going to resonate with younger voters. That the GOP tends
to have a time connecting with and then I think
Rubio brings the professionalism, the maturity, the character that some

(33:07):
people who have you know, who did not vote for
Trump might come back to the Republican Party if they
see someone like that at its helm. So yeah, if
they ran together like I think they'd offer something collectively
that could be very useful for our party. But speaking
of Marcu Rubio, I want to play a few clips.
If you weren't here at the beginning of the show,
you missed me saying that you need to listen to

(33:27):
his end of the year foreign policy Capstone speech where
he kind of explained what America's foreign policy is and
how we have to put our national interests inserted into
our foreign policy, talked about NGOs, talked about the Venezuelan
drug cartels. Just a well rounded, just excellent speech I
think you should listen to. But I am going to
play you a few clips, this one specifically on foreign

(33:48):
aid in his explanation of how we should use it.

Speaker 6 (33:51):
Of our foreign policy, and it should be used for
the purpose of furthering the national interest.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
That doesn't mean we.

Speaker 6 (33:57):
Don't care about human rights, that doesn't mean we don't
care about starv That doesn't mean we don't care about hunger.
That doesn't mean we don't care about humanitarian need. What
it does mean, however, is that even foreign aid, which
is not charity, it is an act of the US taxpayer.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
The American charities are free to give their.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
Money to whoever they want, as long as it's not
a sanctioned entity, but the United States and the taxpayer
money should be spent in furtherance of our foreign policy,
should be spent in places and on things that further
our foreign policy.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
And even that is not unlimited.

Speaker 6 (34:23):
We have a limited amount of money that we can
dedicate to foreign aid and humanitarian assistance, and that has
to be applied in a way that furthers our national interests.
And that's what we have sought to do as well.
And in that endeavor as well, we have empowered the
regional bureaus and our embassies to play a dramatic role.
In fact, they are not just the implementers of this,
they in many cases are the ones that are suggesting

(34:43):
and are leading the response. And so bringing the tools
of foreign aid underneath the umbrella of our broader foreign
policy has been an important and dramatic reform.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
So many important dramatic reforms happening under Marcarubio as Secretary
of State. If the implements the President's agenda, we'll play
more clips when we come back about math migration, putting
a stop to that single most serious threat to the
US from the Western hemisphere. He talked about that in
this speech as well. I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on
the Dan Kapla Show. We will also cover the EEOC
chairs invitation for white men to file job discrimination charges.

(35:15):
Very important story. You'll get it in the next hour
on The Dan Kapla Show.
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