September 18, 2025 • 34 mins
In the second hour of today's show, Kristi Burton Brown talks about Donald Trump's decision to label Antifa a major terrorist organization.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Second Hour.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm Christy Burton Brown in for Dan today, and we've
been talking about Charlie Kirk Jimmy Kimmel definitely not in
the same boate, but Jimmy Kimmel's rightful suspension for his
complete lie about the Charlie Kirk assassination, and of course
the meltdown from the left who want to claim and
actually I was literally in the break looking at Congressman
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Eric Swalloll on the TV and he was directly saying,
the president is firing late night hosts.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
This is dangerous for America.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Like, what a joke, just to completely lie about the
actual reason Jimmy Kimmel's ratings going down. People didn't want
to watch him anyway. And then the free market works
and says, you know what, we're getting rid of him.
He's not doing a good job and he's lying. He's
not making jokes, he's lying. So let's have a different
person on air. I think it's a great decision. Who
really cares If the rest of the liberal media is
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frightened themselves, maybe they have a reason to be. Maybe
they also, you know, if they're going to continue to lie,
might not find themselves with the job too.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
We'll find out.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
But what we want to do right now is go
up to Fort Collins and bring in Nia Bender, who's
a reporter with fifty k away, and have her talk
to us about the vigil going on tonight at CSU.
It's going to start at five point thirty, but Nia's
up there early, so welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Well hello, then, yeah, I got up here really early.
I had to come check out all the action that
wasn't related to the memorial for Charlie Clerk or Charlie Kirk.
Excuse me. There was a protest over there the Student
Center for a while. I mean they gathered at a
tense There is an organization and I can't say the
full name, so I'll be careful about how I say it,
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but they were calling it the on f America Tour.
Oh yeah, So they had a whole tent set up
and they were, you know, screaming about everything that the
Conservatives do wrong and Charlie Kirk and then you had
groups there screaming about how wrong they were. And actually
the whole thing was put on by the Democratic Socialists
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of America, right. And and the one thing that I
think impressed me is.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
There were a lot of kids there.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Obviously, it's right in front of the Student Center. A
lot of had no opinion of either side, but they
were there to just kind of learn and watch. And
I kind of liked that part because everything worked well.
There was no violence. I mean, yeah, there was some yelling,
there was some screaming, but that's what it's all about
to begin with, and so that part was actually done correctly.
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The sidewalk chalk and the sidewalk art in front of
the Student Center was a little disturbing, talking about how
no one's going to mourn the loss of a bigot
or a racist and stuff like that, but otherwise it's
been kind of calm and bye. And in all reality,
it is getting super busy up here. And the security,
the police officers surrounding Canvas Stadium right now is mind blowing.
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It's just a huge presence.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And nia would you say that the majority of people
attending tonight, at least as far as you can see,
are students from CSU or are they, you know, adults,
people from all over.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I'm seeing a little bit of everything now. I did
talk to one student who kind of handle stuff for
Turning Point on the CSU campus, and he said quite
a few of the students he knows are going. But
just looking around the parking lot and people trying to
get in towards the stadium to park, I'm seeing a
mix of young, old people in giant pickup trucks waving
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Trump signs. You got it. It's just a mix of
everybody trying to get in.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Good. Okay, No, that's really good to know. Do you
know who's on the schedule to speak.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Tonight, Not yet, but i'd imagine we'll find out.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Okay, you will find out very soon. Okay, that's great.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And do you know two for anyone listening who can't
make it up to Fort Collins in time, whether or
not there's any option for them to watch this online
or imagine might be recorded.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, your best bet may just go to the Turning
Point USA website and see if they're streaming it. At
this point, that's the only thing that I can think of,
And honestly, if you aren't on your way up here
right now, I think it's going to become very hard
to get in because it just looks like all of
the parking lots are filling up very quickly.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, it's still twenty minutes before the event starts, so
that's good advice for people. Okay, well, thank you Nia
for being up there, and thanks for calling in to
report to us here on the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Absolutely talk soon, all.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Right, have a good night.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
That was a Nia bender from a fifty koa letting
everyone know about the Charlie Kirk vigil. What's going on
right now, twenty minutes before it begins. And as I
said before on the show, Charlie Kirk was scheduled to
speak at CSU on his campus tour. Is one of
the I think it was actually the next university that
he was going to go to before he was assassinated
on his schedule. So students up there who have the
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TPUSA chapter hosting this vigil to talk about him and
the things he stood for and welcome people from both
sides in to hear what it is all about. I'm
Christy Burton Brown, You're on the dan Kapli Show. I
do have some text questions to get to, which I
will in a minute, but I'm gonna go to the
phone lines first and talk to missus C from Fort Collins.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Welcome to the dan Kepla Show.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
Hi, Wow, welcome to Fort Collins. I'm listening to what
she is talking about the gal about TSU and the
memorial service, and that's wonderful. There's lots of traffic here
in Fort Collins. I happen to be sitting in the
Walmart parking lot and I was listening to you just
talking about the hopeless myths of these kids. Now I
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am ninety one years old. Wow, I've lived the Second
World War. I started school every morning with the Lord's
Prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance, and I listened to
Franklin Roosevelt pray for our bo and that was the
landing of Normandy. I went to the shirts in the
corner with all my classmates when we prayed for our
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boys in our churches. And I've watched as an educator.
I was teaching school in the fifties and then in
the sixties, and then they took prayer out of school,
and then they made it that I couldn't even have
my Bible on my desk in school. And then I
was threatened to be fired because I taught the kids
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a song that had Heaven or Lord or something. And
so you see, the enemy is spiritual as long as
people are born, and there's hope, the hope for a future.
We are designed by God and it says we are
his masterpiece, designed to walk on the path he has
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prepared for us. I had the time for good, not evil.
And kids need to know this thing, need to know
there's a purpose and a reason. And this is what
Charlie Kirk gave the kids. He said he brought everything back.
Everything wrong, The sinful are wrong and damaging, hurting things,
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and he brought it back to what God's word said.
I did an entire program for this coming week on
my Ridgis Show on the ten Commandments. You shall not kill,
oh my, you shall not steal. And I'm in my
programs always with remember wrong is wrong even if well
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everyone is doing it, and right is still right even
if no one is doing it. So you'll be courageous
and do what is right, you listeners. And this is
what I would say to these young kids, give a hope,
and there is a purpose. You were designed to do good.
And Charlie that you see, Satan hates God's creation, so
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let's kill him. But he can't kill God's word, and
God's truth is going to go on.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
I'm here after all these years. I've had many students,
and I watched that hopelessness in the Kyah.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
You've seen it personally in the.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
I taught student teachers at the university. They knew nothing
about our constitution to juniors in college, and they knew
nothing about our history. I just heard that Columbus was bad, bad,
America's bad. Slavery's that, well, you know what they have,
slavery Back in the Bible, the children of Israel were
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in slavery in Egypt for four years.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well, and I think slavery kind of to your point.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
When when students are told that everything is bad, like
everything about our history, everything about you know, their own identity,
it just becomes very depressing and you see a lot
of them go down a very wrong road.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Suicide giving us. You know, we bought a war and
lost six hundred thousand people in this war to end
slavery in our and they need to know this too.
And anyhow, this right.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Now, there's always hope that we can find in history.
When bad things happen, good people fix it. And those
are things that we really need to talk about in school.
And I agree with you. I do have to take
a break now, missus C. But love, love you calling in.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You live through World War two, talk kids for decades,
so really important to hear your wisdom about the hope
that our young people need today.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
So thank you hip for reading your program every week. Okay,
totally awesome by the stories of missus C. All Right,
you'll seventy your network.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Okay, bye bye, thank.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
You so much. All right, you should turn in and
listen to that.
Speaker 8 (09:40):
I aspire to be as sharp as missus C if
I am fortunate.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
Enough to make it to ninety one.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, no kidding, I never guess that she's talking.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
So that was a really fun time.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
William Shatner or Dan's uncle.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, so true.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
All right, you're on the Dan Kapla Show. I'm Christy
Burton Brown. You also can call in over the break
three oh three seven, one, three eight, two five five
or text your thoughts to five seven, seven, three nine,
started with Dan.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
And now back to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Tifa as a terrorist organization or as Fox News to say,
Trump slaps terrorist label on Antifa, and I would say
they well deserve it. If you look back through history
the different organizations that presidential administrations have designated a domestic
terrorists under I.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Believe it was Obama.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
There were some pro life organizations that ended up on
the FBI watch list for potential domestic terrorism, which is
like insanely ridiculous, But there is enough evidence, certainly of
violence being caused, threatened and caused by Antifa. And when
I say threats, so I do not think that all
bad speech is not.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Protected under the First Amendment.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Unfortunately, people are allowed to say threatening things and it
still can fit under the First Amendment protections. However, when
you make an actual threat of violence, like a real threat,
that is not protected by the First Amendment. And there
are so many times that Antifa members have done that,
and then they have actually gone and perpetuated that violence,
gone and committed crimes, gone and committed attacks. So I
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think this label is well deserved when you look through
the history of their organization and what they have done
so new news coming out of the Trump administration on that.
That does lead me to a text that semi related.
One of the callers that we had earlier talked about
how he wanted to see mccarthyanism come back in the
United States, and so this Texter is saying, Hey, I
was just started to listen. Maybe you already addressed it,
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but I'm surprised basically you didn't object to the call
for the return of macarthyanism.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You're smarter than me, and no, I'm sure i'm not.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
But please explain my conservatives to reduce themselves to the
level of the left, which is kind of how I
understand McCarthyism. Maybe I'm not understanding something. That is a
great question. And sometimes, honestly, when we have callers come in,
I'll just focus on a different aspect of what they're saying.
And you know, I think sometimes when people call for
something like McCarthyism, they are calling for like complete political solutions,
as if thinking that, you know, cracking down on some
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of these groups are going to completely solve it, Like
telling them, okay, if you talk like like I've talked
like this, if you say hateful things we're going to
investigate you, We're going to crack down.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
We're going to put you in jail. I just don't
think that is the only answer that fixes problems.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I think when you have this bunch of violence and
this much hate in a society, you actually have to
go deeper to cultural and spiritual solutions, and that if
all you focus on is cracking down politically when one
side is in charge, I do not think that has
long term results. Now that's not to say that I
don't think Antifa should be designated terrorist organization.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I actually do think they should be.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
It's not that I don't think the FBI should be
investigating whether or not there are multiple people associated with
Charlie Kirkshooter. I do think they better track that down
and trace that and find out what was really going on.
But to this Texter's point, when you look at McCarthyism,
I do think that was overdone.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I don't think that's what should.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Happen here in the United States where pep are just
accused of being a communist and so then the government
investigates them, because then I think you see the opposite
side of the aisle doing the same thing and accusing
someone of being a pro life activist or even knowing
that they are, and then thinking they can go to
their house and investigate them, pull them in for questioning,
with no actual evidence that they are doing anything violent
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or making any actual threats. And so I'm not a
fan of doing that in United States of America. I
don't think that's what our country's about. I think if
people want to have communist views, they're allowed to have
communist views. What they're not allowed to do is take
them so far as to go and commit violence. And
so I would actually have a difference with the caller
who called in. I just kind of wanted to take
a different angle and talk about, you know, cultural spiritual solutions.
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But I don't agree with their suggestion there. So if
you have thoughts or texts, you also can call in
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or text your thoughts five seven, seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Start it with Dan.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I want to play you a few other clips that
have happened since Jimmy Kimmel was suspended, And I do
think it's important to say he was suspended. I did
not technically one hundred percent fully taken off the air.
We don't know if ABC or anyone else is going
to change their minds and put him back on.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
But at the very least he was suspended.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I actually agree with President Trump here, who says the
real reason why he was fired on a.
Speaker 9 (14:17):
Seven to shoot free speech. You're Vice President Vance said
that free speech is under attack in the UK. Do
you agree with him? And Prime Minister we saw the
dismissal of a very well known chat show host in
America last night, mister Kimmel. He's fre speech more under
attack in Britain or America.
Speaker 10 (14:39):
Well, Jimmy Kimmel was fired because he had bad ratings
more than anything else, and he said a horrible thing
about a great gentleman known as Charlie Kirk. And Jimmy
Kimmel is not a talented person. He had very bad
ratings and they should have fired him a long time ago.
So you know, you can call that free speech or not.
He was fired for lack of talent.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
So I think that's it's true.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Well, in the other part I was talking about this earlier,
KBB is this is one milieu or area where Trump
can speak credibly because he had astronomical ratings on The
Apprentice in the two thousands. It was one of the
highest rated shows of the decade. It went well into
the twenty tens, and he was still under contract when
he had to sever it to run for president in
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twenty fifteen. So he can kind of dish it out
because he's got the numbers to back it up.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
He didn't have the ratings. He didn't have the talent
I did.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
If he did a show like The Apprentice that was
as good as mine.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, if he hadn't been in Britain, he would have
gone down that line and.
Speaker 8 (15:39):
Probably just imagining him, Oh, I'm sure going clear.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
He just pummels these guys and he keeps winning. He
keeps winning.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
Colbert's gone because his show's stunk, and so did ratings.
Kimmel's gone, and now you got to see will there
be not necessarily culture shift, but just a logical shift
in the business model of you see Gutfeld. That show works,
that show is successful, it gets great ratings, Advertisers want
to be on it because he is dominating some uncultivated
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fields of conservative viewers who have been disaffected to watch
any of these other shows. So you have Kimmel, Colbert,
Myers fail on all fighting over the same half of
the pie, all the liberal audience.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Rather than thinking.
Speaker 8 (16:22):
About it smartly and go how can I maximize my
audience and appeal to more people. They've resorted KBB to
having the likes of like Alyssa Slotkin, you know, any
list democrat from the Senate, who cares?
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Why are you having these.
Speaker 8 (16:38):
Underling democrat political figures on your show?
Speaker 6 (16:41):
To what end?
Speaker 8 (16:41):
What point or purpose does that serve for the average viewer?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It doesn't, No, it doesn't. And it's also not funny.
And that's why people used to watch those shows, was
like to actually like wind down for the night and
listen to some comedy. And it's just become like another
political talk show, which is just is.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
What people want right there.
Speaker 8 (16:55):
And there's the Johnny Carson clip which you might want
to refer to, as he was talking to Mike Wallace
about this very issue. And you would see Johnny would
have somebody on like Ronald Reagan, you know, a big name,
and they come on and they joke around, but it
was very rare, and you look at the percentages and
they had the numbers of times that a political guest
was on, and for Johnny Carson was like in the
single digit percentile, and for these other shows that I
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just mentioned, you know, it's upwards of twenty five to
fifty percent of their guest list.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
No, it's true.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Well, we can play that flashback when we come back
after the break because be able to hear. But I
do think what's also very interesting to me is simply
because President Trump decides to comment on this and give
his opinion, and because the FCC chairman makes a statement,
all the dens and the liberals are up in arms saying,
oh my goodness, is the president firing late in the
late night talk show hosts, Oh my goodness, the First
Amendment is under attack. They clearly don't understand what the
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First Amendment actually is. They don't understand that private businesses
do have the right to fire people who have bad ratings.
And just because the President comments doesn't mean he's the
one making the calls. I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on
the Dan Kaplis Show, calling with your thoughts. Three zero
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Speaker 6 (18:07):
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Speaker 3 (18:17):
I'm going to go to the phone lines and talk
to Jennifer from Parker. Welcome to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Hey, KBB, I have a question embedded in in this.
But okay, people get confused about the the sector. Excuse me,
the First Amendment all the time. It's not going to
the Second Amendment.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
But uh, because they.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Think that when a private business fires you because you've
said something that they don't like, that that's a First
Amendment issue. It is not right. First Amendment involves the government. However,
here's my question. And by the way, I've worked for
many companies where I've had to be careful what I
say because you know, the companies paying you to do
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the work. Yes, they're not paying you for your opinion,
unless after you're a columnist or something. Sure, right, But
here's my question. If the government is involved in any
way such as the SEC threats, wouldn't that make it
a First Amendment issue? And I don't know that because
I'm not an attorney and I'm not familiar with the
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story completely.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
So I'm asking you.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I'm not arguing with you or anything.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Oh no, and you know, I don't mind people argue
with me either, but but no.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
So so I think you have a couple issues going
on here.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You have the SCC who did a few hours before
ABC did they made their announcement they were suspending Jimmy
Kimmel's show. They did say that they were going to
look into it and that potentially they were going to
be consequences to the networks when this kind of thing
is set on the air. Obviously I'm not quitting in directly,
just paraphrasing that was a few hours before. But I
do not think that networks typically like a jump when
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the government, an arm of the government says something within
a few hours like, that's just not how it works.
And so you know, another peop people are leaning on
what President Trump has said. He said this should happen
and he should be fired, and so, oh my goodness,
that's a government leaning in on it. And I think
you constantly, if you look back during the time of
COVID and vaccines being pushed on people, you've seen governments,
you know, potential interference with like what Facebook has done
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in all these social media companies, and so you often
hear people on both sides of the aisle saying, oh
my goodness, the government is actually the ones forcing these
companies to do it. What I don't think you have
here that may have been President some of those other scenarios,
is any sort of sustained government insistence that a company
do something. You saw a statement from the FCC chairman,
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you saw comments from President Trump, and then within hours
you saw ABC and Disney make what I believe was
their own decision to say, you know, and we've sort
of talked about this in the previous hour.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Of the show.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
His ratings were already going really low. He already wasn't
having very many viewers, and so I think personally, this
was a reason to get rid of him, you know.
And it is a suspension we'll see in right, And
so I think it is just, you know, these network
saw sort of consequences of the free market. You make
a comment that doesn't resonate with the audience and is
a lie about a very public assassination, something that a
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lot of people are really upset about, and your ratings
were already low.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Why would we keep you so?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Really, I think it's it's a bunch of hyperbole basically
to say and not from you, but from other people
that are saying.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Oh my goodness, president Trump fired a late.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Night talk show host. That's what Eric Swalwall is saying.
I think that's completely fault.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
I agree with that, and I do agree.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I mean, kim All was awful.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
You know, I'll watch.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Jimmy Fallon, never watch Cobert, but kim All I.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Refused to watch.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Because he was just so awful. However, you know that piece,
if those networks felt threatened, and you're right, they don't
tend to jump, no, nothing that threatened, perhaps the case
could be made for that. I'm not entertaining that because
I do think this was just a simple case of
him being vitriolic, being misinformed and misinforming other and just
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being a terrible, terrible late night show. Why doesn't he
just entertain? Why does he have to make a big
political stand.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So well and ault at that question?
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
No, And Jennifer, I think I think I said a
false claim at that, not even just his political position,
but a complete lie.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
And I think you you ask a good.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Question that a lot of people are asking, what is
the line like when government does X? Does it become
like a First Amendment issue? And I just think you
can't just say that one statement from an FCC chairman
and one comment by the president, Oh my goodness, Now
that's the entire cause of someone being suspended.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Therefore it's the government doing it. You actually have to have.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
A real clear tie that the government is actually forcing
that action, and that the networks aren't free to make
their own decision to really prove government interference. And then
a First Amendment issue, And I just don't see it here,
But could it exist under some scenario. Sure, I just
don't think it does here.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, all right, great, thanks for calling out so much. Yeah,
good to talk to you, Jennifer. Okay, have a good night.
All right.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
You also have a question or thought, you can call
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Speaker 2 (23:06):
Start it with Dan.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I agree with this last texter who says free speech,
you have the right to say anything you want, good
or otherwise. But that doesn't mean that there is no
consequences for what you said. I think a lot of
people want to say that, Oh, free speech means I'm
totally free to.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Say it with and free from consequences.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
That's literally what a lot of people seem to believe
if you'd listen to a lot of the media and
the liberals over the last twenty four hours, but that
simply isn't accurate, especially when you're talking about businesses and
the private industry world. You indeed can say whatever you want,
but you may get fired over it if you are
paid to offer your opinion, maybe your reporter, maybe you're
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you know, you work a newspaper and.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Radio and TV.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
If those who hired you no longer like the opinion
you're saying, uh, and they don't like it enough times
or it's a big enough deal that their audience is
mad about it, like they can in fact fire you.
And you lost exactly zero percent of your First Amendment right,
all of your constitutional rights. And now we think this
is really important for people to understand. Your First Amendment rights
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are owed to you as opposed to the government. The
government may not take away your First Amendment right. The
government may not take away your right to bear arms.
The government may not take away your right to equal protection.
The government may not discriminate against you. Now, we do
see a lot of states in the federal government with
like Civil Rights Act or anti discrimination laws that say
businesses may also not discriminate against people based on race
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and gender and ethnicity and all these other kinds of things.
But that is another specific law that's been passed that's
not a constitutional right.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Your constitutional rights are against the government.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
And I actually think one of the clearest ways for
people to understand it, they tend to understand it on
the Second Amendment, because you do have a lot of
what's called gun free zones. You have a lot of
restaurants that say you may not carry a gun in here.
You unfortunately have places like movie theaters that say you
may not carry a gun in here. Why are they
not sued and forced by the courts to allow you
to carry Because they're not an arm of the government,
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and you don't have a right to bear arms in
a private place. The owner of that place gets to
make the decision. You may not like their decision, you
can boycott the business, you can go do something about it,
but you cannot sue them and win in court because
you don't have a Second Eendment right to carry a
gun in my home or in the restaurant down the street.
Like that's up to the owner of the place. And
if they say you can, then you can, but if
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they say you can't, you can protest, but you can't
win in court.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
All these breathless pearl clutching libs and leftists who are
bemoaning the demise of Jimmy Kimmel's show. Whatever, where were
they when Roseanne Barr was canceled from the very show
that bore her name for all those years because she
said something offensive, or Gina Carrano because of something she
posted online they fire her from the mandalorian that was
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ABC Disney. Where were these leftists then? Why were they
not concerned about free speech then? Because it was very
much conditional upon the viewpoints that they approved of. And
this goes right back to the whole censorship thing. They're
shutting down President Trump from Facebook and Twitter, censoring the
Hunter Biden laptop story right before the election. We've all
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watched this unfold in real time. There's a reason why,
over these ten years since Donald Trump entered the political
sphere that many of us and I'm talking people that
might even been center right center left, have drifted further
forward to the right. The Overton window is shifted, and
the left is becoming more and more extreme. And now
they're just bearing witness to what they have reaped, what
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they have sown.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And what they've created.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
And I think Ryan, to your point, this even goes to,
like why Trump got elected in the first place is
because there was a blowback on the constant accusations, Oh,
like you're clutching your guns and your religion, like also
have that Obama said, and all these people from like
the rust belt and the working class, we're like, you
know what, No, we believe what we believe, and we
should have a president that respects that and understands that.
And so there's a lot of blowback from the censorship
the left did. And I think in order to be
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consistent on our own side, we have to say, you
know what, you do have the ability to say what
you want, and sometimes you get canceled. Sometimes the business
fires you. Sometimes a private industry says we don't want
to listen to you anymore, we don't want to have
you here anymore. And there is that, right, I think
what the left is doing wrong, Like they want to
complain about Jimmy Kimmel getting suspended. Complain away, go ahead,
complain about it. You can do that, just like we've
complained to some of our people have gotten fired.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
But the difference is to say it's a free speech issue.
It is not. It's not the government doing this to him.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
And if you're going to claim it's the government, you've
better have a direct tie that literally the president of
the FCC like forced ABC to do this. There's zero
proof of that, no matter how many times they want
to say it. So complain, but don't claim it's a
government or free speech issue, because it's not. You're on
the Dan Capla Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown. You can
call in over the break three zero three seven one
three eight two five five or textra thoughts to five
seven seven three nine.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So talk and listen to our show.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
And we listened at the very beginning of this hour
to a reporter who's up in Fort Collins at CSU
right now during the Charlie Kirk vigil at CSU. If
you want to tune into that, I think TPUSA is
airing it and you can certainly get clips of it
later and hear the various speakers honoring Charlie Charlie Kirk tonight.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
TPUSA also announced today.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Their board announced that Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's widow, is
now the new CEO and chair of the board for
Turning Point USA. I think she will certainly do great
things with her husband's legacy and work to also just
advance all the interest that has come since Charlie Kirk
was assassinated in people saying, you know what, no one
can replace Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
No one's going to be him. But we all have
a voice to use.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
And things to share and proclaim in this world, and
we shouldn't lack the courage and bravery to do it.
It just takes starting and getting it done. And I
think she is a perfect person to carry forward that
legacy and inspire even more young men and women to
do that exact thing. I do want to play a
couple of clips for you. Funny I think with the
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left melts down over the consequences in the free market
of saying bad things. So we've talked tonight about Jimmy
Kimmel getting suspended for his completely false comments about the
assassin who took out Charlie Kirk. But Brian Stelter from
CNN here's his thoughts. I think these are just ridiculous
but even though.
Speaker 11 (29:19):
We're talking about comedy, this is so serious. Aaron, America
is a less free place if late night comedians cannot
do and say what they want. Of course, they can
be tuned out, people can change the channel. That's how
we vote, that's how we have our say in America.
But this really does have a chilling effect across the
American media. And it's not just me saying it. We've
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heard from the Group Fire in the past three minutes,
the Free speech Group Fire saying, quote, the government pressured ABC,
and ABC caved quote. We cannot be a country where
late night talk show hosts serve at the pleasure of
the president. But until institutions grow a backbone and learn
to resist government pressure, that is the country we are.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Well, what's so funny to me is it's a huge
assumption that they cave to any government pressure whatsoever. Like
the FCC chairman made a comment, and ABC had plenty
of reasons to suspend Jimmy Kimmel, including his own performance
and his own ratings, and his own complete lie about
a huge crime that took place that wasn't whatsoever funny
or even an attempted JOKEI just a false statement that
he wanted to make, and he should have known way
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better than to make it. So for a fire who
incidentally actually worked with before on a bill that went
through the Colorado Capital successfully.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
It was a really good bill.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
But for them to come out a free speech organization
and just assume that there was the government pressure, they
have zero proof of that. ABC absolutely had the ability
and the authority to make their own decision. What I
find funny about what Brian Stelter said, He's like.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Oh, people can change the channel.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
They have that right, yes, And businesses can fire people,
they have that right too. If average Americans can say
I don't want to listen to what you're saying, the
company can say, oh no, average Americans don't want to
listen to what our host is saying, let's get rid
of him. That is also, excuse me, a right that
you have in America.
Speaker 8 (30:58):
If Jimmy Kimmel was worth the trouble and he got
the ratings and he got the ad dollars in revenue,
then ABC could have told the Trump administration the FCC
chair to pound sand Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
They would have.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I mean networks have done that all the time when
they don't agree with politicians like I just government saying something.
Government commenting is not government making the call. And I
think that's a really important distinction that people.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Need to make.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
What do you expect the government to be silent? Like
they're allowed to have an opinion too, They're allowed to
say we think this should happen. And then networks in
private businesses in the United States have the right to say,
we disagree with you, we're not going to do it.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
We like our person, we're keeping them.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
And then if government then steps in and does actually
something about it, like takes an actual action, makes an
actual threat against the network, Oh, because you won't fire him,
we're going to do X, y Z Okay, then you
have government action you should.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Be able to complain about.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
But this silly notion that the government and the president
can't say anything, and oh my goodness, saying something is
just overwhelming pressure that a private business can can't handle.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Is just so funny.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
There's so many private businesses in Colorado that continue to
operate the way they want to operate no matter what
Governor Poulas says, like, because you can and you're allowed to.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Do that, we don't have time for Governor JB.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
Pritzcurry went on with Jensaki, but to summarize what he said,
he was hoping that people would rally and people would protest,
and people would demand that ABC bring Jimmy Kimmel back.
And I'm telling you the groundstall of support it ain't
out there well right.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
And that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
When there is that much support, people do protest, and
often companies change their minds, like you're actually seeing.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Alte a perfect example.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
You even't seen Target over a long period of time
change a lot of their marketing, both in their stores
and online, actually like fire at their head person and
changed it because they got enough sustained public pressure to say,
you know what, you're going too woke.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
We don't like it, and they changed. Now.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Starbucks is another example of someone who hasn't changed because
they've gotten some public pressure for going woke too, and
they've said, you know what, we have enough support, we
don't care.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
This is the free market at work.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
People are allowed to protest on either side, people are
allowed to boycott companies on either side. The government is
allowed to comment, and then private businesses are allowed to
make the call. So anyone saying that's not true, and
who just doesn't understand how the system actually works.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
Well, what's happening is you have ABC, Jimmy Kimmel, these shows.
Instead of broadcasting, they're narrowcasting, and narrowcasting only works in
like the podcast sphere, where you're looking for a very
specific audience. You're trying to get a national broad audience,
and you're programming just for coastal liberal elites, and those
are the only people you're going to get. Starbucks sign
out can't afford to stay.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
In that kind of sphere.
Speaker 8 (33:37):
Target can't, Cracker Barrel can, and ABC can't.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Right exactly, And so they're big, smart business people, and
then the liberals complaining about it.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Well, I'm no surprise because they don't understand business.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
So I'm going to close with a quote from Charlie
Kirk because he's the one who thought we should focus
not only on political solutions but also spiritual solutions. He said,
Jesus taught us, walked with us, ate with us, worked
with us, debated with us, and then for doing nothing
wrongong died for us. We don't deserve it, we didn't
earn it. We were all sinners. We're all broken, but
have salvation thanks to Jesus. Taking up the cross to
save us, and I just love how bold he was
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about his faith. He said he wanted to be remembered
for courage for his faith, and I think that's beautiful.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Second Hour.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm Christy Burton Brown in for Dan today, and we've
been talking about Charlie Kirk Jimmy Kimmel definitely not in
the same boate, but Jimmy Kimmel's rightful suspension for his
complete lie about the Charlie Kirk assassination, and of course
the meltdown from the left who want to claim and
actually I was literally in the break looking at Congressman
(00:37):
Eric Swalloll on the TV and he was directly saying,
the president is firing late night hosts.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
This is dangerous for America.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Like, what a joke, just to completely lie about the
actual reason Jimmy Kimmel's ratings going down. People didn't want
to watch him anyway. And then the free market works
and says, you know what, we're getting rid of him.
He's not doing a good job and he's lying. He's
not making jokes, he's lying. So let's have a different
person on air. I think it's a great decision. Who
really cares If the rest of the liberal media is
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frightened themselves, maybe they have a reason to be. Maybe
they also, you know, if they're going to continue to lie,
might not find themselves with the job too.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
We'll find out.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
But what we want to do right now is go
up to Fort Collins and bring in Nia Bender, who's
a reporter with fifty k away, and have her talk
to us about the vigil going on tonight at CSU.
It's going to start at five point thirty, but Nia's
up there early, so welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Well hello, then, yeah, I got up here really early.
I had to come check out all the action that
wasn't related to the memorial for Charlie Clerk or Charlie Kirk.
Excuse me. There was a protest over there the Student
Center for a while. I mean they gathered at a
tense There is an organization and I can't say the
full name, so I'll be careful about how I say it,
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but they were calling it the on f America Tour.
Oh yeah, So they had a whole tent set up
and they were, you know, screaming about everything that the
Conservatives do wrong and Charlie Kirk and then you had
groups there screaming about how wrong they were. And actually
the whole thing was put on by the Democratic Socialists
(02:17):
of America, right. And and the one thing that I
think impressed me is.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
There were a lot of kids there.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Obviously, it's right in front of the Student Center. A
lot of had no opinion of either side, but they
were there to just kind of learn and watch. And
I kind of liked that part because everything worked well.
There was no violence. I mean, yeah, there was some yelling,
there was some screaming, but that's what it's all about
to begin with, and so that part was actually done correctly.
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The sidewalk chalk and the sidewalk art in front of
the Student Center was a little disturbing, talking about how
no one's going to mourn the loss of a bigot
or a racist and stuff like that, but otherwise it's
been kind of calm and bye. And in all reality,
it is getting super busy up here. And the security,
the police officers surrounding Canvas Stadium right now is mind blowing.
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It's just a huge presence.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And nia would you say that the majority of people
attending tonight, at least as far as you can see,
are students from CSU or are they, you know, adults,
people from all over.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I'm seeing a little bit of everything now. I did
talk to one student who kind of handle stuff for
Turning Point on the CSU campus, and he said quite
a few of the students he knows are going. But
just looking around the parking lot and people trying to
get in towards the stadium to park, I'm seeing a
mix of young, old people in giant pickup trucks waving
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Trump signs. You got it. It's just a mix of
everybody trying to get in.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Good. Okay, No, that's really good to know. Do you
know who's on the schedule to speak.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Tonight, Not yet, but i'd imagine we'll find out.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Okay, you will find out very soon. Okay, that's great.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And do you know two for anyone listening who can't
make it up to Fort Collins in time, whether or
not there's any option for them to watch this online
or imagine might be recorded.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, your best bet may just go to the Turning
Point USA website and see if they're streaming it. At
this point, that's the only thing that I can think of,
And honestly, if you aren't on your way up here
right now, I think it's going to become very hard
to get in because it just looks like all of
the parking lots are filling up very quickly.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, it's still twenty minutes before the event starts, so
that's good advice for people. Okay, well, thank you Nia
for being up there, and thanks for calling in to
report to us here on the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Absolutely talk soon, all.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Right, have a good night.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
That was a Nia bender from a fifty koa letting
everyone know about the Charlie Kirk vigil. What's going on
right now, twenty minutes before it begins. And as I
said before on the show, Charlie Kirk was scheduled to
speak at CSU on his campus tour. Is one of
the I think it was actually the next university that
he was going to go to before he was assassinated
on his schedule. So students up there who have the
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TPUSA chapter hosting this vigil to talk about him and
the things he stood for and welcome people from both
sides in to hear what it is all about. I'm
Christy Burton Brown, You're on the dan Kapli Show. I
do have some text questions to get to, which I
will in a minute, but I'm gonna go to the
phone lines first and talk to missus C from Fort Collins.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Welcome to the dan Kepla Show.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
Hi, Wow, welcome to Fort Collins. I'm listening to what
she is talking about the gal about TSU and the
memorial service, and that's wonderful. There's lots of traffic here
in Fort Collins. I happen to be sitting in the
Walmart parking lot and I was listening to you just
talking about the hopeless myths of these kids. Now I
(05:46):
am ninety one years old. Wow, I've lived the Second
World War. I started school every morning with the Lord's
Prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance, and I listened to
Franklin Roosevelt pray for our bo and that was the
landing of Normandy. I went to the shirts in the
corner with all my classmates when we prayed for our
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boys in our churches. And I've watched as an educator.
I was teaching school in the fifties and then in
the sixties, and then they took prayer out of school,
and then they made it that I couldn't even have
my Bible on my desk in school. And then I
was threatened to be fired because I taught the kids
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a song that had Heaven or Lord or something. And
so you see, the enemy is spiritual as long as
people are born, and there's hope, the hope for a future.
We are designed by God and it says we are
his masterpiece, designed to walk on the path he has
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prepared for us. I had the time for good, not evil.
And kids need to know this thing, need to know
there's a purpose and a reason. And this is what
Charlie Kirk gave the kids. He said he brought everything back.
Everything wrong, The sinful are wrong and damaging, hurting things,
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and he brought it back to what God's word said.
I did an entire program for this coming week on
my Ridgis Show on the ten Commandments. You shall not kill,
oh my, you shall not steal. And I'm in my
programs always with remember wrong is wrong even if well
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everyone is doing it, and right is still right even
if no one is doing it. So you'll be courageous
and do what is right, you listeners. And this is
what I would say to these young kids, give a hope,
and there is a purpose. You were designed to do good.
And Charlie that you see, Satan hates God's creation, so
(07:55):
let's kill him. But he can't kill God's word, and
God's truth is going to go on.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
I'm here after all these years. I've had many students,
and I watched that hopelessness in the Kyah.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
You've seen it personally in the.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
I taught student teachers at the university. They knew nothing
about our constitution to juniors in college, and they knew
nothing about our history. I just heard that Columbus was bad, bad,
America's bad. Slavery's that, well, you know what they have,
slavery Back in the Bible, the children of Israel were
(08:32):
in slavery in Egypt for four years.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well, and I think slavery kind of to your point.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
When when students are told that everything is bad, like
everything about our history, everything about you know, their own identity,
it just becomes very depressing and you see a lot
of them go down a very wrong road.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Suicide giving us. You know, we bought a war and
lost six hundred thousand people in this war to end
slavery in our and they need to know this too.
And anyhow, this right.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Now, there's always hope that we can find in history.
When bad things happen, good people fix it. And those
are things that we really need to talk about in school.
And I agree with you. I do have to take
a break now, missus C. But love, love you calling in.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You live through World War two, talk kids for decades,
so really important to hear your wisdom about the hope
that our young people need today.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
So thank you hip for reading your program every week. Okay,
totally awesome by the stories of missus C. All Right,
you'll seventy your network.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Okay, bye bye, thank.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
You so much. All right, you should turn in and
listen to that.
Speaker 8 (09:40):
I aspire to be as sharp as missus C if
I am fortunate.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
Enough to make it to ninety one.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, no kidding, I never guess that she's talking.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
So that was a really fun time.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
William Shatner or Dan's uncle.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, so true.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
All right, you're on the Dan Kapla Show. I'm Christy
Burton Brown. You also can call in over the break
three oh three seven, one, three eight, two five five
or text your thoughts to five seven, seven, three nine,
started with Dan.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
And now back to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Tifa as a terrorist organization or as Fox News to say,
Trump slaps terrorist label on Antifa, and I would say
they well deserve it. If you look back through history
the different organizations that presidential administrations have designated a domestic
terrorists under I.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Believe it was Obama.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
There were some pro life organizations that ended up on
the FBI watch list for potential domestic terrorism, which is
like insanely ridiculous, But there is enough evidence, certainly of
violence being caused, threatened and caused by Antifa. And when
I say threats, so I do not think that all
bad speech is not.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Protected under the First Amendment.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Unfortunately, people are allowed to say threatening things and it
still can fit under the First Amendment protections. However, when
you make an actual threat of violence, like a real threat,
that is not protected by the First Amendment. And there
are so many times that Antifa members have done that,
and then they have actually gone and perpetuated that violence,
gone and committed crimes, gone and committed attacks. So I
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think this label is well deserved when you look through
the history of their organization and what they have done
so new news coming out of the Trump administration on that.
That does lead me to a text that semi related.
One of the callers that we had earlier talked about
how he wanted to see mccarthyanism come back in the
United States, and so this Texter is saying, Hey, I
was just started to listen. Maybe you already addressed it,
(11:39):
but I'm surprised basically you didn't object to the call
for the return of macarthyanism.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You're smarter than me, and no, I'm sure i'm not.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
But please explain my conservatives to reduce themselves to the
level of the left, which is kind of how I
understand McCarthyism. Maybe I'm not understanding something. That is a
great question. And sometimes, honestly, when we have callers come in,
I'll just focus on a different aspect of what they're saying.
And you know, I think sometimes when people call for
something like McCarthyism, they are calling for like complete political solutions,
as if thinking that, you know, cracking down on some
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of these groups are going to completely solve it, Like
telling them, okay, if you talk like like I've talked
like this, if you say hateful things we're going to
investigate you, We're going to crack down.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
We're going to put you in jail. I just don't
think that is the only answer that fixes problems.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I think when you have this bunch of violence and
this much hate in a society, you actually have to
go deeper to cultural and spiritual solutions, and that if
all you focus on is cracking down politically when one
side is in charge, I do not think that has
long term results. Now that's not to say that I
don't think Antifa should be designated terrorist organization.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I actually do think they should be.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
It's not that I don't think the FBI should be
investigating whether or not there are multiple people associated with
Charlie Kirkshooter. I do think they better track that down
and trace that and find out what was really going on.
But to this Texter's point, when you look at McCarthyism,
I do think that was overdone.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I don't think that's what should.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Happen here in the United States where pep are just
accused of being a communist and so then the government
investigates them, because then I think you see the opposite
side of the aisle doing the same thing and accusing
someone of being a pro life activist or even knowing
that they are, and then thinking they can go to
their house and investigate them, pull them in for questioning,
with no actual evidence that they are doing anything violent
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or making any actual threats. And so I'm not a
fan of doing that in United States of America. I
don't think that's what our country's about. I think if
people want to have communist views, they're allowed to have
communist views. What they're not allowed to do is take
them so far as to go and commit violence. And
so I would actually have a difference with the caller
who called in. I just kind of wanted to take
a different angle and talk about, you know, cultural spiritual solutions.
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But I don't agree with their suggestion there. So if
you have thoughts or texts, you also can call in
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Speaker 2 (13:51):
Start it with Dan.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I want to play you a few other clips that
have happened since Jimmy Kimmel was suspended, And I do
think it's important to say he was suspended. I did
not technically one hundred percent fully taken off the air.
We don't know if ABC or anyone else is going
to change their minds and put him back on.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
But at the very least he was suspended.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I actually agree with President Trump here, who says the
real reason why he was fired on a.
Speaker 9 (14:17):
Seven to shoot free speech. You're Vice President Vance said
that free speech is under attack in the UK. Do
you agree with him? And Prime Minister we saw the
dismissal of a very well known chat show host in
America last night, mister Kimmel. He's fre speech more under
attack in Britain or America.
Speaker 10 (14:39):
Well, Jimmy Kimmel was fired because he had bad ratings
more than anything else, and he said a horrible thing
about a great gentleman known as Charlie Kirk. And Jimmy
Kimmel is not a talented person. He had very bad
ratings and they should have fired him a long time ago.
So you know, you can call that free speech or not.
He was fired for lack of talent.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
So I think that's it's true.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Well, in the other part I was talking about this earlier,
KBB is this is one milieu or area where Trump
can speak credibly because he had astronomical ratings on The
Apprentice in the two thousands. It was one of the
highest rated shows of the decade. It went well into
the twenty tens, and he was still under contract when
he had to sever it to run for president in
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twenty fifteen. So he can kind of dish it out
because he's got the numbers to back it up.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
He didn't have the ratings. He didn't have the talent
I did.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
If he did a show like The Apprentice that was
as good as mine.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, if he hadn't been in Britain, he would have
gone down that line and.
Speaker 8 (15:39):
Probably just imagining him, Oh, I'm sure going clear.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
He just pummels these guys and he keeps winning. He
keeps winning.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
Colbert's gone because his show's stunk, and so did ratings.
Kimmel's gone, and now you got to see will there
be not necessarily culture shift, but just a logical shift
in the business model of you see Gutfeld. That show works,
that show is successful, it gets great ratings, Advertisers want
to be on it because he is dominating some uncultivated
(16:10):
fields of conservative viewers who have been disaffected to watch
any of these other shows. So you have Kimmel, Colbert,
Myers fail on all fighting over the same half of
the pie, all the liberal audience.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Rather than thinking.
Speaker 8 (16:22):
About it smartly and go how can I maximize my
audience and appeal to more people. They've resorted KBB to
having the likes of like Alyssa Slotkin, you know, any
list democrat from the Senate, who cares?
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Why are you having these.
Speaker 8 (16:38):
Underling democrat political figures on your show?
Speaker 6 (16:41):
To what end?
Speaker 8 (16:41):
What point or purpose does that serve for the average viewer?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It doesn't, No, it doesn't. And it's also not funny.
And that's why people used to watch those shows, was
like to actually like wind down for the night and
listen to some comedy. And it's just become like another
political talk show, which is just is.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
What people want right there.
Speaker 8 (16:55):
And there's the Johnny Carson clip which you might want
to refer to, as he was talking to Mike Wallace
about this very issue. And you would see Johnny would
have somebody on like Ronald Reagan, you know, a big name,
and they come on and they joke around, but it
was very rare, and you look at the percentages and
they had the numbers of times that a political guest
was on, and for Johnny Carson was like in the
single digit percentile, and for these other shows that I
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just mentioned, you know, it's upwards of twenty five to
fifty percent of their guest list.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
No, it's true.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Well, we can play that flashback when we come back
after the break because be able to hear. But I
do think what's also very interesting to me is simply
because President Trump decides to comment on this and give
his opinion, and because the FCC chairman makes a statement,
all the dens and the liberals are up in arms saying,
oh my goodness, is the president firing late in the
late night talk show hosts, Oh my goodness, the First
Amendment is under attack. They clearly don't understand what the
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First Amendment actually is. They don't understand that private businesses
do have the right to fire people who have bad ratings.
And just because the President comments doesn't mean he's the
one making the calls. I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on
the Dan Kaplis Show, calling with your thoughts. Three zero
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Speaker 6 (18:07):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
You can call in with any thoughts you have three
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Speaker 2 (18:17):
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Speaker 3 (18:17):
I'm going to go to the phone lines and talk
to Jennifer from Parker. Welcome to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Hey, KBB, I have a question embedded in in this.
But okay, people get confused about the the sector. Excuse me,
the First Amendment all the time. It's not going to
the Second Amendment.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
But uh, because they.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Think that when a private business fires you because you've
said something that they don't like, that that's a First
Amendment issue. It is not right. First Amendment involves the government. However,
here's my question. And by the way, I've worked for
many companies where I've had to be careful what I
say because you know, the companies paying you to do
(19:01):
the work. Yes, they're not paying you for your opinion,
unless after you're a columnist or something. Sure, right, But
here's my question. If the government is involved in any
way such as the SEC threats, wouldn't that make it
a First Amendment issue? And I don't know that because
I'm not an attorney and I'm not familiar with the
(19:21):
story completely.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
So I'm asking you.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I'm not arguing with you or anything.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Oh no, and you know, I don't mind people argue
with me either, but but no.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
So so I think you have a couple issues going
on here.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You have the SCC who did a few hours before
ABC did they made their announcement they were suspending Jimmy
Kimmel's show. They did say that they were going to
look into it and that potentially they were going to
be consequences to the networks when this kind of thing
is set on the air. Obviously I'm not quitting in directly,
just paraphrasing that was a few hours before. But I
do not think that networks typically like a jump when
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the government, an arm of the government says something within
a few hours like, that's just not how it works.
And so you know, another peop people are leaning on
what President Trump has said. He said this should happen
and he should be fired, and so, oh my goodness,
that's a government leaning in on it. And I think
you constantly, if you look back during the time of
COVID and vaccines being pushed on people, you've seen governments,
you know, potential interference with like what Facebook has done
(20:16):
in all these social media companies, and so you often
hear people on both sides of the aisle saying, oh
my goodness, the government is actually the ones forcing these
companies to do it. What I don't think you have
here that may have been President some of those other scenarios,
is any sort of sustained government insistence that a company
do something. You saw a statement from the FCC chairman,
(20:36):
you saw comments from President Trump, and then within hours
you saw ABC and Disney make what I believe was
their own decision to say, you know, and we've sort
of talked about this in the previous hour.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Of the show.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
His ratings were already going really low. He already wasn't
having very many viewers, and so I think personally, this
was a reason to get rid of him, you know.
And it is a suspension we'll see in right, And
so I think it is just, you know, these network
saw sort of consequences of the free market. You make
a comment that doesn't resonate with the audience and is
a lie about a very public assassination, something that a
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lot of people are really upset about, and your ratings
were already low.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Why would we keep you so?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Really, I think it's it's a bunch of hyperbole basically
to say and not from you, but from other people
that are saying.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Oh my goodness, president Trump fired a late.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Night talk show host. That's what Eric Swalwall is saying.
I think that's completely fault.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
I agree with that, and I do agree.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I mean, kim All was awful.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
You know, I'll watch.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Jimmy Fallon, never watch Cobert, but kim All I.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Refused to watch.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Because he was just so awful. However, you know that piece,
if those networks felt threatened, and you're right, they don't
tend to jump, no, nothing that threatened, perhaps the case
could be made for that. I'm not entertaining that because
I do think this was just a simple case of
him being vitriolic, being misinformed and misinforming other and just
(22:01):
being a terrible, terrible late night show. Why doesn't he
just entertain? Why does he have to make a big
political stand.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So well and ault at that question?
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
No, And Jennifer, I think I think I said a
false claim at that, not even just his political position,
but a complete lie.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
And I think you you ask a good.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Question that a lot of people are asking, what is
the line like when government does X? Does it become
like a First Amendment issue? And I just think you
can't just say that one statement from an FCC chairman
and one comment by the president, Oh my goodness, Now
that's the entire cause of someone being suspended.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Therefore it's the government doing it. You actually have to have.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
A real clear tie that the government is actually forcing
that action, and that the networks aren't free to make
their own decision to really prove government interference. And then
a First Amendment issue, And I just don't see it here,
But could it exist under some scenario. Sure, I just
don't think it does here.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, all right, great, thanks for calling out so much. Yeah,
good to talk to you, Jennifer. Okay, have a good night.
All right.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
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Speaker 2 (23:06):
Start it with Dan.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I agree with this last texter who says free speech,
you have the right to say anything you want, good
or otherwise. But that doesn't mean that there is no
consequences for what you said. I think a lot of
people want to say that, Oh, free speech means I'm
totally free to.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Say it with and free from consequences.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
That's literally what a lot of people seem to believe
if you'd listen to a lot of the media and
the liberals over the last twenty four hours, but that
simply isn't accurate, especially when you're talking about businesses and
the private industry world. You indeed can say whatever you want,
but you may get fired over it if you are
paid to offer your opinion, maybe your reporter, maybe you're
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you know, you work a newspaper and.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Radio and TV.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
If those who hired you no longer like the opinion
you're saying, uh, and they don't like it enough times
or it's a big enough deal that their audience is
mad about it, like they can in fact fire you.
And you lost exactly zero percent of your First Amendment right,
all of your constitutional rights. And now we think this
is really important for people to understand. Your First Amendment rights
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are owed to you as opposed to the government. The
government may not take away your First Amendment right. The
government may not take away your right to bear arms.
The government may not take away your right to equal protection.
The government may not discriminate against you. Now, we do
see a lot of states in the federal government with
like Civil Rights Act or anti discrimination laws that say
businesses may also not discriminate against people based on race
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and gender and ethnicity and all these other kinds of things.
But that is another specific law that's been passed that's
not a constitutional right.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Your constitutional rights are against the government.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
And I actually think one of the clearest ways for
people to understand it, they tend to understand it on
the Second Amendment, because you do have a lot of
what's called gun free zones. You have a lot of
restaurants that say you may not carry a gun in here.
You unfortunately have places like movie theaters that say you
may not carry a gun in here. Why are they
not sued and forced by the courts to allow you
to carry Because they're not an arm of the government,
(25:01):
and you don't have a right to bear arms in
a private place. The owner of that place gets to
make the decision. You may not like their decision, you
can boycott the business, you can go do something about it,
but you cannot sue them and win in court because
you don't have a Second Eendment right to carry a
gun in my home or in the restaurant down the street.
Like that's up to the owner of the place. And
if they say you can, then you can, but if
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they say you can't, you can protest, but you can't
win in court.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
All these breathless pearl clutching libs and leftists who are
bemoaning the demise of Jimmy Kimmel's show. Whatever, where were
they when Roseanne Barr was canceled from the very show
that bore her name for all those years because she
said something offensive, or Gina Carrano because of something she
posted online they fire her from the mandalorian that was
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ABC Disney. Where were these leftists then? Why were they
not concerned about free speech then? Because it was very
much conditional upon the viewpoints that they approved of. And
this goes right back to the whole censorship thing. They're
shutting down President Trump from Facebook and Twitter, censoring the
Hunter Biden laptop story right before the election. We've all
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watched this unfold in real time. There's a reason why,
over these ten years since Donald Trump entered the political
sphere that many of us and I'm talking people that
might even been center right center left, have drifted further
forward to the right. The Overton window is shifted, and
the left is becoming more and more extreme. And now
they're just bearing witness to what they have reaped, what
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they have sown.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And what they've created.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
And I think Ryan, to your point, this even goes to,
like why Trump got elected in the first place is
because there was a blowback on the constant accusations, Oh,
like you're clutching your guns and your religion, like also
have that Obama said, and all these people from like
the rust belt and the working class, we're like, you
know what, No, we believe what we believe, and we
should have a president that respects that and understands that.
And so there's a lot of blowback from the censorship
the left did. And I think in order to be
(26:56):
consistent on our own side, we have to say, you
know what, you do have the ability to say what
you want, and sometimes you get canceled. Sometimes the business
fires you. Sometimes a private industry says we don't want
to listen to you anymore, we don't want to have
you here anymore. And there is that, right, I think
what the left is doing wrong, Like they want to
complain about Jimmy Kimmel getting suspended. Complain away, go ahead,
complain about it. You can do that, just like we've
complained to some of our people have gotten fired.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
But the difference is to say it's a free speech issue.
It is not. It's not the government doing this to him.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
And if you're going to claim it's the government, you've
better have a direct tie that literally the president of
the FCC like forced ABC to do this. There's zero
proof of that, no matter how many times they want
to say it. So complain, but don't claim it's a
government or free speech issue, because it's not. You're on
the Dan Capla Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown. You can
call in over the break three zero three seven one
three eight two five five or textra thoughts to five
seven seven three nine.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So talk and listen to our show.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
And we listened at the very beginning of this hour
to a reporter who's up in Fort Collins at CSU
right now during the Charlie Kirk vigil at CSU. If
you want to tune into that, I think TPUSA is
airing it and you can certainly get clips of it
later and hear the various speakers honoring Charlie Charlie Kirk tonight.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
TPUSA also announced today.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Their board announced that Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's widow, is
now the new CEO and chair of the board for
Turning Point USA. I think she will certainly do great
things with her husband's legacy and work to also just
advance all the interest that has come since Charlie Kirk
was assassinated in people saying, you know what, no one
can replace Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
No one's going to be him. But we all have
a voice to use.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
And things to share and proclaim in this world, and
we shouldn't lack the courage and bravery to do it.
It just takes starting and getting it done. And I
think she is a perfect person to carry forward that
legacy and inspire even more young men and women to
do that exact thing. I do want to play a
couple of clips for you. Funny I think with the
(29:01):
left melts down over the consequences in the free market
of saying bad things. So we've talked tonight about Jimmy
Kimmel getting suspended for his completely false comments about the
assassin who took out Charlie Kirk. But Brian Stelter from
CNN here's his thoughts. I think these are just ridiculous
but even though.
Speaker 11 (29:19):
We're talking about comedy, this is so serious. Aaron, America
is a less free place if late night comedians cannot
do and say what they want. Of course, they can
be tuned out, people can change the channel. That's how
we vote, that's how we have our say in America.
But this really does have a chilling effect across the
American media. And it's not just me saying it. We've
(29:41):
heard from the Group Fire in the past three minutes,
the Free speech Group Fire saying, quote, the government pressured ABC,
and ABC caved quote. We cannot be a country where
late night talk show hosts serve at the pleasure of
the president. But until institutions grow a backbone and learn
to resist government pressure, that is the country we are.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Well, what's so funny to me is it's a huge
assumption that they cave to any government pressure whatsoever. Like
the FCC chairman made a comment, and ABC had plenty
of reasons to suspend Jimmy Kimmel, including his own performance
and his own ratings, and his own complete lie about
a huge crime that took place that wasn't whatsoever funny
or even an attempted JOKEI just a false statement that
he wanted to make, and he should have known way
(30:21):
better than to make it. So for a fire who
incidentally actually worked with before on a bill that went
through the Colorado Capital successfully.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
It was a really good bill.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
But for them to come out a free speech organization
and just assume that there was the government pressure, they
have zero proof of that. ABC absolutely had the ability
and the authority to make their own decision. What I
find funny about what Brian Stelter said, He's like.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Oh, people can change the channel.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
They have that right, yes, And businesses can fire people,
they have that right too. If average Americans can say
I don't want to listen to what you're saying, the
company can say, oh no, average Americans don't want to
listen to what our host is saying, let's get rid
of him. That is also, excuse me, a right that
you have in America.
Speaker 8 (30:58):
If Jimmy Kimmel was worth the trouble and he got
the ratings and he got the ad dollars in revenue,
then ABC could have told the Trump administration the FCC
chair to pound sand Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
They would have.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
I mean networks have done that all the time when
they don't agree with politicians like I just government saying something.
Government commenting is not government making the call. And I
think that's a really important distinction that people.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Need to make.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
What do you expect the government to be silent? Like
they're allowed to have an opinion too, They're allowed to
say we think this should happen. And then networks in
private businesses in the United States have the right to say,
we disagree with you, we're not going to do it.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
We like our person, we're keeping them.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
And then if government then steps in and does actually
something about it, like takes an actual action, makes an
actual threat against the network, Oh, because you won't fire him,
we're going to do X, y Z Okay, then you
have government action you should.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Be able to complain about.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
But this silly notion that the government and the president
can't say anything, and oh my goodness, saying something is
just overwhelming pressure that a private business can can't handle.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Is just so funny.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
There's so many private businesses in Colorado that continue to
operate the way they want to operate no matter what
Governor Poulas says, like, because you can and you're allowed to.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Do that, we don't have time for Governor JB.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
Pritzcurry went on with Jensaki, but to summarize what he said,
he was hoping that people would rally and people would protest,
and people would demand that ABC bring Jimmy Kimmel back.
And I'm telling you the groundstall of support it ain't
out there well right.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
And that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
When there is that much support, people do protest, and
often companies change their minds, like you're actually seeing.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Alte a perfect example.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
You even't seen Target over a long period of time
change a lot of their marketing, both in their stores
and online, actually like fire at their head person and
changed it because they got enough sustained public pressure to say,
you know what, you're going too woke.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
We don't like it, and they changed. Now.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Starbucks is another example of someone who hasn't changed because
they've gotten some public pressure for going woke too, and
they've said, you know what, we have enough support, we
don't care.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
This is the free market at work.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
People are allowed to protest on either side, people are
allowed to boycott companies on either side. The government is
allowed to comment, and then private businesses are allowed to
make the call. So anyone saying that's not true, and
who just doesn't understand how the system actually works.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
Well, what's happening is you have ABC, Jimmy Kimmel, these shows.
Instead of broadcasting, they're narrowcasting, and narrowcasting only works in
like the podcast sphere, where you're looking for a very
specific audience. You're trying to get a national broad audience,
and you're programming just for coastal liberal elites, and those
are the only people you're going to get. Starbucks sign
out can't afford to stay.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
In that kind of sphere.
Speaker 8 (33:37):
Target can't, Cracker Barrel can, and ABC can't.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Right exactly, And so they're big, smart business people, and
then the liberals complaining about it.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Well, I'm no surprise because they don't understand business.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
So I'm going to close with a quote from Charlie
Kirk because he's the one who thought we should focus
not only on political solutions but also spiritual solutions. He said,
Jesus taught us, walked with us, ate with us, worked
with us, debated with us, and then for doing nothing
wrongong died for us. We don't deserve it, we didn't
earn it. We were all sinners. We're all broken, but
have salvation thanks to Jesus. Taking up the cross to
save us, and I just love how bold he was
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about his faith. He said he wanted to be remembered
for courage for his faith, and I think that's beautiful.
I'm Christy Burton Brown. You've been on the Dan Kaplish
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