December 19, 2025 • 33 mins
In the second hour of today's show, Kristi Burton Brown fills in for Dan Caplis and reacts to Ted Cruz's interview with Tucker Carlson.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
For Dan today.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Thanks for listening, and I hope you have amazing Christmas plans.
I get to stay in town, which I'm actually very
excited about and still see lots of family. But for
anyone traveling that you're not going out of Dia today
with all the crazy winds there and all the diversions
to the Colorado Springs Airport, so hopefully that settles down
over the next week. I actually just saw a video
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someone posted on Twitter or x or whatever you want
to call it about a lake in Boulder that literally
looks like the ocean right now with all the waves
going on there. And never seen a lake in Boulder
like that before. So you know, some people are like
wind in the Gedden, Oh my goodness. I am not
really sure it's not bad, but for people whose power
is out for days in Golden and Boulder, that's got
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to be kind of scary in my opinion, and really
unusual for Colorado. So I'm very hopeful that all settles
down over the next few days with no more wildfires
going on, hopefully, and Excel, for a whole lot.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Of reasons, in my view, should get their act together.
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I think, on one hand, you can't blame them for
shutting down power when the last time they didn't there
was a really crazy fire. I think it was the
Marshall fire that happened and destroyed a lot of a
lot of things, So you can understand like why they're
doing it. But I think the problem is that Excel
is a monopoly and often behaves in a number of
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ways that isn't truly right for all the customers they
treat that way, continue to raise rates on customers and
just do a whole host of things that make their
customers mad and don't give people the service they should have.
And I think a lot of people worried about are
these outages are a thing that's going to continue in Colorado,
And when you do have a monopoly in many areas
of the state, it becomes more likely that come and
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he can do.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Whatever they want.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
But anyways, let's get to some other topics. As I
said at the beginning of the show, there's so much
to cover today when I looked at the news and
some textures in with some very interesting questions all show long.
So someone is asking about if I would comment on
the Ted Cruz interview with Tucker and Ryan actually did
an interview with Ted Cruz. I'm gonna play you a
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couple of clips from this and Ted Cruz is explaining
I think exactly why Tucker Carlson got the Iranian strikes
that President Trump carried out wrong. Ted Cruz far more
right than Tucker Carlson. But let's listen to this clip.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
One final point, Senator Cruz, This interchange between you and
Tucker Carlson aged very well for you, not so well
for him in the wake of the Trump peace accord
between Israel and Hamas.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Okay, what's the ethnic mixer for Ron?
Speaker 5 (02:53):
They are Persians, predominantly Shia. Okay. You don't know anything
about Iran, so okay, I am not the Tucker Carlson
bird on Iran.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
You're a senator.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Who's calling You're the onember, the one who's the country. No,
you don't know anything about the country. You're the one
who claims they're not trying to murder Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I'm not saying that.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Who can't figure out General Philamoni And you said they're
trying to murder Trump.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yes, I because you're not calling for military strikes against
them in retaliation if they really believed that.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Caring out military strikes today, you said Israel was.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Right with our health, Senator, that was in advance of
the strikes against the nuclear sites within Iran that many
are arguing, including myself, were paramount this deal getting done
through a show of force.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Your response unquestionably correct. The single most important national security
decision that President Trump has made in his second term
was the decision to launch the bombing stripes strikes on
the nuclear facilities in Iran. It was an incredible success.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
We had b two.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Bombers fly halfway around the world, liver bunker busting bombs
to take out three nuclear facilities, including the Foidah facility
that's literally built in the bottom of a mountain to
develop nuclear weapons. And understand Iran was working to develop
nuclear weapons because I believe they intended to use them.
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When the Iotola chance death to America and death to Israel,
I believe him.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, very little is as clear as Iran's desire to
go after the United States at Israel and an Island
is both if it were within their power to do so.
So I do think Ryan's very good interview for one.
And secondly, I think, you know Tucker Carlson's advice to
the President that he not do nuclear strikes or sorry,
not nuclear strikes, but strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities. He
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advised the President against that. I think it's inexplicable advice.
I don't understand why you would do that. There's no
question what kind of a nation Iran has become under
the IATOLA. There's no question what their goals are like.
They don't hide it, they don't even try. They were
involved in the Hamasa tacks against Israel for a whole
host of reasons. I think that's actually going to come
out as one of the best foreign policy stories in
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twenty twenty five. Of the history will actually back that up,
you know, years from now when we look back at
our kids are reading in the textbooks. I think that
those strikes were essential for a number of reasons. So clearly,
Senator Cruz much more correct than Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I think the interview as.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
A whole was very interesting and very divergent views, and
I do think Senator Cruz tends to be far more
correct on foreign policy in general than Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Okay, let's see.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I do want to play you another clip from Marca
Rubio again. If you're just tuning in, listen to his
foreign policy speech that he gave today, very comprehensive view
of how America is approaching foreign policy through the lens
of our own national interests. It's sort of like that
you know, make America Great Again agenda that President Trump
has a lot of people think, oh, it makes us
just isolation send the world.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I don't think that's true at all.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And Marco Rubut did a really good job explaining, No,
I'm paraphrasing here, No, it's not an isolation view of
the world. It's saying all foreign policy decisions we make
need to be made through the lens of what is
the national interest of Americans And whether we're looking at
spending for NGOs and forced taxpayer funding of charities, is
that really an America's best national interest or instead of
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spending taxpayer dollars on that, should Americans be more free
with their own dollars to donate to charities of their
choice so that children around the world are fed and
refugees are taking care of. My family loves to donate
to Samaritans Purse, which does an excellent job working in
refugee camps around the world and giving those people, you know,
the care they need and the gospel as well, which
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is something that's really important for my family to fund.
And so I think that's a really good principle an
American foreign policy. It's not the government's responsibility to spend
your money that you give to the government outside of
the country when it doesn't advance national interests. But here
here is another interesting clip from Marco Rubio talking about
the single most serious threat to the US from the
Western hemisphere. This is very current and I think really
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important for people to understand when it.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
Comes to the Western hemisphere, the single most serious threat
to the United States and the Western Hemisphere is from
transnational terrorist criminal groups primarily focused on narco trafficking, but
they're at all sides businesses as well. So the good
news is we have a lot of countries in the
region that openly cooperate and work with us to confront
these challenges. Mexico, their level of cooperation with US as
the highest it's ever been in their history. Throughout Central
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America for the most part, except for maybe Nicaragua and
to some extent, Honduras, we've had great cooperation from Ecuador,
from El Salvador. From Ecuador being in South America, but
across the Pacific coast, WARLD also undertaking efforts Guatemala, Costa Rica, Panama.
These are all nations that cooperate with US openly. In
search of stability in the region. You move to the
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Caribbean Basin in Trinidad, in Guyana, in Jamaica, and the
Dominican Republic, countries that openly cooperate with US. Even Columbia,
despite its unusual president, has institutions in that country that
work very closely with US, and those ties remain unimpeded
and unaffected.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So all of this is very positive.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
There's one place that doesn't cooperate, and it's the illegitimate
regime in Venezuela, and not only did not cooperate with US,
they openly cooperate with terrorists and criminal elements.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Now a Secretary of State, Marcurruvio went on to describe
the situation in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Even more.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
You could listen to his speech for yourself, But I
think he's setting up all the reasoning why the Trump
administration is taking out drug cartel members on the boats
in Venezuela. There's a big reasons behind that for all
the liberals and Democrats, including Congressman Jason Crow, who want
to object to the president taking out drug cartel members,
which he's classified as basically terrorist groups. And what's always
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amazing to me is that these same people were not
objecting in the Obama administration when he used drone strikes
in Libya and other countries like this is a common
thing that presidents do, is order specific strikes to take
out specific individuals or specific groups or organizations that are
a threat to the United States of America. So if
you want to understand the thinking and reasoning behind some
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of the foreign policy decisions that have been very successful
over the last year in the Trump administration, this speeches
is very much well worth your time to listen to.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I'm going to take a break.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
When I come back, I'll address not only the eeoc's
invitation for white men to file job discrimination charges, but
also I have a texter asking about my taker opinion
on Victor Marx, who's one of the people running for
governor here in Colorado. So I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're
on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
All right, so I have a texter asking what my
taker opinion on Victor Marx is. I will give you
a few thoughts that I have. I was the former
chair of the Republican Party. For anyone who who doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
That, I wouldn't expect you to know that. Most people
don't even.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Know parties have shairs, So anyway, it's totally fine if
you don't know that. But I've had some, you know,
experience with different races, different candidates, learned a lot about
who's likely to succeed and who's not. I will preface
that by saying, no one is always right in politics,
even the most the best strategists and predictors are often wrong.
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But still happy to give you my thoughts after I
play a few clips for you. Ryan had some good
interviews with a number of the gubernatorial candidates. I've had
State Senator Barb Kirkmeyer on the show with me. I
think the last time I hosted, because she's also on
the Joint Budget Committee in the legislature and just has
a lot of insight about the state budget and all
the you know, errors and mistakes the Democrats continue to
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make an overspending so I always love her perspective on
that in particular. But Ryan hosts enough on his OWDE
show to get all the candidates on with him, and
so I'm gonna play this specific clip from Victor Marx
talking about that he has a strategy to raise money
and win the primary. Two of the biggest questions that
you should ask any candidate whoever runs, is you have
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to have money to win and you have to be
able to win your party's primary. So I think this
is an interesting clip for those reasons.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Do you know why why is raising money in Florida
a priority at all when you're running for governor in Colorado?
Speaker 9 (11:20):
Let me say it again. Do you know where I
was this past Sunday?
Speaker 6 (11:25):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (11:25):
I wasn't with you Thursday fundraiser events. Do you know
I have a podcast this afternoon? Do you know I
have an event tomorrow morning? I have been booked, throttling
and enjoying it all of our events are packed out standing,
ram only, I don't need advice from you. Are Steve Rings,
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are Steve Wells or Barb kirk Meyer. They are They
can run their campaign, they can run their debates. They
should do what's best for them. But I'm telling you,
as Victim Martz, who's leading this by a structured, discipline, professional,
unemotional approach to winning, we're in the lead and I
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don't need to do anything that goes outside of our
bounds of what we're going to do to win.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Okay, well, so a few thoughts.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
First of all, I first heard about Victor Marx back
at a conference at the broad More. It was a
Christian organization. I think it's called Fathers in the Field,
a really good organization actually that pairs teenage boys who
don't have a father figure in their life with a vetted, qualified,
full of character man who can come alongside them, take
them to fishing trips, kind of mentor them and do some.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Good stuff in their lives.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
As anyway, they brought in Victor Marx as one of
their speakers, so he told his personal life story, which
is very compelling, and he also of course shared some
of the abilities he has with the dogs he trains
and the martial arts training. That he has a very
entertaining speaker, good personal story, so I definitely remember him
from that, and then of course he popped back up
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running for governor. What I think in general in politics
is there's a lot of people who are a very
qualified human beings to lead something. Also people with really
great compelling personal stories. I mean, Jadie Vance is one
of those people. But I think you have to have
more than those two things to win in politics. I
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think both of those things are very helpful in politics
and can sometimes help people who might otherwise not win
or rise close to the top. But I think you
still have to have a general understanding of the issues
that are going to face you in your race, and
a general understanding of basic political strategy. I think a
lot of people come from the outside of politics and
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come in and say I can do this differently, and
it's going to work for me. Hasn't worked for anyone else,
but it's going to work for me. I have the keys,
I have the solution. I can get it done now.
I could respect that kind of a viewpoint, because you
wouldn't want to lead a state if you didn't think
you had solutions, so it's not a bad quality. But
sometimes if you're brand new to politics and you're not
surrounding yourself with people who are going to give you
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the right kind of advice behind the scenes and say, hey,
here's the long, hard, slow work that actually has to
go on behind the scenes to raise money in politics,
or here are the policy positions you really need to
understand that are relevant to your race, like the taxpayer
Bill of Rights in Colorado, property taxes in Colorado, public
safety issues in Colorado, like the mental incompetency one that's
all over the news in recent days, the issues that
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nine News investigation uncovered with the Department of Correction releasing
parole's in Colorado, and the own internal audit showed that
ninety eight percent of the time the evaluations are getting
it wrong and people who go out to go on
to murder people after they're released are being released on
parole in Colorado. Like it's those kind of issues that
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pop up at a state that you have to be
able to deal with and comment on and have solutions
for on a daily basis. That is what I personally
have found lacking in some the speeches Victor Marx is giving.
I think he is a leader. I think he has
a great personal story. I think he probably has a
lot of character. He's a man of faith, But I
have not heard those policy answers, and that is troubling
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to me. If you want to be governor, you have
to have policy answers. That's why I think a lot
of people who are concerned about good policy are supporting
Bark Kirkmeyer is because she has proven for years that
she deeply understands the inner workings of Colorado government and
what she would do to solve issues differently from what
the Democrats are offering.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I think you need that deep policy knowledge to be
a real.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Substantive candidate, and not saying someone like Victor Marks can't
go out and learn it, but I'm saying he hasn't
given any indication in his speeches or interviews that I've
heard that he actually has that right now, and you
usually need to go get that before you run for
a position as high as governor. I'd also say, just
from that clip that I played, you can say you're
going to raise money differently than everyone else and that
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you're the leading candidate, but both require numbers.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
If you're going to raise money. Okay, how much money
are you raising?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Not just that you can, but are you actually And
it's hard to raise money in Colorado. We have pretty
strict campaign finance limitations. You can't just rely on your
own ability to raise money. You actually have to have
outside groups that are supporting you. Usually if there's a
big primary in Colorado because of our campaign finance limitations,
I don't know if he has those or if he doesn't.
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And then secondly, just to say I'm the leading candidate,
I'm going to win, well, pretty much every.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Candidate tells you that, So.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
That doesn't really indicate whether not you are just because
you claim it. So again, a lot of respect for
his personal story, for his leadership abilities, but I would
like to see more substantive answers instead of claims and
real policy solutions versus I'm the right person for the job.
I think anyone can claim that, but not everyone can
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have real policy solutions.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
So that's my current take on.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
It, and I will say again that I just do
respect the depth of policy knowledge that Bark Kirkmeyer has
built over years in Colorado, and I think there's a
lot to be said for having real answers.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
To follow up on the Barb Kirkmeyer point.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Somebody who I've interviewed many times in the past, has
a lot of respect for a Laker personally.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I still can't.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Get around both her and Mark Baisley and the Senate
voting for this competency law that allows defendants to find
a shrink be declared incompetent to stand trial, and they
both voted yes on it.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I can't, Okay, So let's.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Actually talk about that when we get back from a
break beause almost all Republicans.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Voted for it, every one of them been in the
Senate Yes, And I've heard some reasoning as to why how.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
The bill was sold to them deceptively. So let's talk
about it when we get back. I'm Christy Burton Brown
and you're on the Dan Kapla Show. You can call
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Speaker 8 (17:53):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
You're on the Dan Capla Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Is actually one of my favorite Christmas songs choice I
actually remember one Christmas.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Oh goodness, this is back when I was in law school,
so forever ago.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I went up to New York City and skated at
the Rockefeller Center and a classic thing to do.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It's abody what an.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Only time I've ever been to New York City. But
on the Giant skyscraper across from the skating rink, they
have these giant snowflakes that flashed in time to Carol
of the Bells, a classical version of the song.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
And it's just one of my.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Actually favorite Christmas scenes that I've ever seen in my
life in New York City.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And that was, like I said, oh my goodness, over
fifteen years ago now, so I.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Can't imagine maybe what they play now, probably even better technology,
but it was pretty great back then.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
So you didn't get lost in New York like Kevin
McAllister and Home Alone two.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I did not, Okay, good.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Finally showed that movie to my kids this year Alone
two or the first one both?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Actually, Oh it's a future, yeah what after the other?
Love it?
Speaker 8 (18:56):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, it's a wonderful life. Still the best one.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
But Home Alone, if you want to laugh right there
with you, pretty good.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
And I love the scene and Home Alone the original
and we're just talking about this on the right side
of Hollywood Christian Toto Jody Kalm also in where he's
in church with the old man. Yes, and it's Kevin
that imparts the wise advice. Got to call your son,
I know. And then how that movie ends, it really
kind of brings a tear to your eye.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
No, it's good.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
They weave some you know, real good family lesson. I
think into what is otherwise just a funny for example,
you think.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Of the Slapstick you know which, and Daniel Stern and
the Wet Bandits.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
It's funny and it's fun.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
But that was a really sweet, tender moment and a
Christian moment quite frankly in that movie where they're sitting
in church and talking about him.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yes, well, that's what you should have in Christmas movies, right,
You got to have a little bit like that, a
little bit somewhere.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Gotta find it. Okay, let's see.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I think we were going to talk about the mental
incompetency loss, because Ryan, you brought that up in the
last segment when I was talking about Victor Martz and Kirkmeyer,
both whom are running for governor, and you did bring
up the question of why did.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Barker Kuier, Mark.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Baisley vote for this. It's twenty four to ten thirty
four HB. Twenty four ten thirty four. Sort of the
infamous law now in Colorado, so many stories have covered
it where permanently mentally incompetent people who are committing dangerous
crimes are being released onto the streets in Colorado because
of this law that requires charges to be dismissed by
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the district attorney or the court and no exceptions for
violent or repeat crimes. Now, I think the law didn't
cover premeditated murder, so that is handled differently, but a
lot of other violent crimes like attempted kidnapping of children.
Actually a homicide against a woman who was dragged to
her death by a vehicle in by the driver a
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vehicle in El Paso County, So even some types of murder,
it is not premeditated. For screen murder, these people are
being released out onto the street. The only way they're
not released onto the street is if they agree to civil.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Meant at a mental health facility.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
But if they don't agree to it, they the law
requires them to be released out onto the streets. Understandably,
a lot of people are very outraged about this. It
creates a lot of repeat crimes throughout the state, and
even progressive district attorneys liberal district attorneys like Amy Padden
in the eighteenth Judicial District is basically saying this law
is unacceptable, like it's not okay, but that they don't
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have a choice.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
These people have to be release to the streets.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Well, and Jared Polus, the governor, when Sheriff Steve Rieimsenweld
County was dealing with that Ephraim Debasa debacle, was say, oh,
I'm glad he's in custoder, you're not out on the street.
It's your law that you signed. Pal call a special
session and fix it. And to Barb's credit and Mark
Basley's credit, they both most senators acknowledged they made a
big mistake because there was some kind of blind spot
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in this bill and the way it turned out, the
practical effect was not the same as the intent. Barb's
been calling for a special session. Polish has been silent
on the matter. And I don't understand this, KBB, because
I don't think you have to be a Republican or
Democrat to realize this is a disaster and it needs to.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Be fixed well, and it does. And here's what I
think the problem was from my understanding. I'll just get
my perspective on this, and in my role at Advanced Colorado,
we're actually about to release a report on this whole
law and on the mental incompetency situation in Colorado. We've
been calling for a special session. Obviously the governor didn't
issue that. Over the summer, we've been hearing that the
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legislature is going to deal with it in the next
session starting in January. And so our report details the
problems with this law, the stories and situations it's been
causing across Colorado, as well as solutions that could be
put into law to fix this really terrible situation that's
affecting a lot of victims across the state and putting
dangerous criminals onto the street. So, anyway, be able to
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look out for that report. It should come out on
the thirtieth, I believe, right before the end of the year.
But all that said, this bill was I think very
deceptively sold to a lot of legislators, and it became
a very bipartisan bill. Really almost every single legislator on
both sides of the aisle voted for. There were exceptions
some specific Republicans. I think he voted against it.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
But they were the House, and all the Republican senators
voted for Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
So I mean it was a very much like, oh,
this is bipartisan. But here's how it was sold to them.
It was sold to them as two things. First of all,
this is going to help people who are mentally incompetent
go into civil commitment.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
So unfortunately they.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Were told that's what it would do, and it's a
long bill. I think we all can understand how legal
language can be confusing sometimes, and advocacy organizations were explaining
the bill that it would actually help more civil commitment happen,
which is what a lot of people believe should happen
with these like criminals who are truly mentally incompetent. I
think some of them are not, and the evaluators are
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getting it absolutely wrong, and some das would tell you that.
But some of them are mentally incompetent. The point is
keep them off the streets, out of the communities. But
it doesn't It's fine if some of them go to
mental hospitals and civil confinement. They're off the streets, so
that's the point more than it is like put them
in jail. So anyway, this bill was sold to a
lot of legislators like, oh, that's what it's going to do.
It's going to put them in civil confinement. No, if
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they agree, that's the problem. And a lot of legislators
weren't aware of that. That Like in this one murder
case in al Paso County that I'm talking about, the
guy got released to the streets because he would.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Not agree to go to a civil commitment facility.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Solomon Gallaghan and Aurora, who was arrested like for the
eighteenth time, this time for the attempted kidnapping of an
eleven year old boy outside of an elementary school, he
actually agreed to go to a mental hospital for a while,
so he is off the streets, but only because he agreed.
So that is not how the bill was sold, but
that's the reality of what it does. And then the
other way that it was sold is like a fiscally
responsible thing to do, because there is an organization that
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has taken the State of Colorado to court, got settlements
and orders against Colorado that hey, if you're holding these
people in jail for too long, you pay, like millions
in fines and fees to different organizations, and they it's
twelve million dollars a year. I believe the state of
Colorado can be on the hook for if they're not
handling these situations correctly. Well, that organization came to legislators
and basically said, if you don't pass a law fixing
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some of this and taking these people out of jail,
getting them somewhere else, we're going to go back and
we're going to get another settlement and get you guys.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
We're going to.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Force the state to pay fifty million dollars a year. Now,
how could they can guarantee that is a completely different question,
but that's what they were saying, and so a lot
of legislators were told, the fiscally responsible decision is to
not make put the state on the hook for fifty
million dollars a year. Twelve million is more reasonable if
we can make these changes that will put these people
into civil commitment instead of jail.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
So all of that to say, the law is terrible.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
And if you actually do pay attention to the nitty
gritty detail and the very small section that requires a
mandatory dismissal of charges, you would probably be able to
put together that the law does what it's doing now,
which is releasing dangerous criminals onto the street. But in
fairness to legislators on both sides of the aisle, that
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is not how it was pitched to them. That it's
not how it was explained to them. That it's not
how I was sold to them by the people who
put the bill together. And so I just think that
background is relevant. Like I think what matters more than
the fact that they got it wrong is can they
admit that they got it wrong. That's not something that
the governor has been willing to admit that he got
it wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
He's just been like.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Oh, well, the district attorneys should go ahead and confine
them under civil confinement statutes. You can't in Colorado right now.
The law actually didn't build that in. Even though they
said it was going to build it in. It didn't.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
So kurt Meyer explained it that they were looking for
a constitutional solution to this for people that were truly
mentally ill. Now that's not been the bar and how
it's been applied in a lot of these cases which
are egregious, for instance, the McDonald's parking lot killing murder. Yes,
dragging the death of another there Joel Lang, who went
to a competency hearing and was asked Katie b As follows,
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do you understand what it means to be declared incompetent,
to which he replied, yeah, it means this all goes
away exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
That's competence.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Absolutely, he's gaming the system, gaming the system. And one
of the district attorneys I talked you said, district attorneys
typically can't question these evaluators on the stand and say,
how are you making your evaluation these people to be
primarily mentally incompetent because they were like, if we could
question them, we could blow this apart. Some of these
people are not mentally incompetent, and yet this single evaluator
is declaring that they are. So lots of problems with
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the system we detail in our report and Advanced Colorado.
It's going to come out before the end of the year.
But I've got to take a break out. I'm Christy
Burton Brown on the Dan Kaplas Show. Keep it right
here and text in your thoughts to five, seven, seven,
three nine, start it with Dan.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
It makes me feel like I'm in church, so thanks
for that, right, I'm actually christy. Yeah, I know, I'm
actually looking for I love going to like multiple Christmas
services if I can with my family. I just love
Christmas music good. Yeah, So if you haven't found one,
find one, because there's a lot in in All Cross, Colorado.
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It's just a great time to be with other people.
One of the I think unifying times of the year
when we remember, you know, what we're celebrating, who we're celebrating,
and why we're all here on the earth, and that
someone actually placed us here with a purpose. So I
think Christmas is a great time to remember that your
life matters, and someone much more important than every single
one of us, the God who created us, says that
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your life matters, and you wouldn't be here if you
didn't have a reason to exist.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So one of the many reasons I love Christmas. I
think it's a great reminder of that.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
But moving on from messages of unity, I do want
to play you this one clip from the EEOC chair.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Andrea Lucas is her.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Name, and she it kind of made a lot of
waves this week inviting white men to file job discrimination charges,
and I think you know. Even more interesting than her
invitation to do so are the reports that have been
coming out along with this invitation, sort of like whistleblowers
from a number of institutions, company colleges saying, oh, yeah,
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over the last couple decades, we absolutely had a policy
in place to exclude white men from hiring. And what
I find very interesting is the constitucial attorney myself, I
have equal protection clause is, like my favorite piece.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Of the Constitution.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
You're not allowed to discriminate against some people because they
are the majority, or some people because maybe once some
of them discriminated against people, so now we can discriminate
against them like that. That's not what the Constitution says.
It says that all forbes of discrimination against all human
beings are wrong. You don't get to discriminate against someone
because you don't like them because you think they've gotten.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
More than they deserved in the past.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
And one of the biggest problems with that kind of
viewpoint is it goes against the wrong people. Like if
you look back and say, oh, there were white men
decades ago who did discriminatory action against black people or
against women in particular, and of course you can find
stories like that all over.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
No one would deny that they happened.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
But the problem is the men that you're refusing to
hire today aren't the men who did that discrimination. So
that's a problem with that viewpoint is you often aren't
punishing the right people. You're saying, oh, you belong to
a class, and members of that class have done things
I disagree with in the past.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So you don't even do you get to choose.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
That you're born a man and born white. I mean,
obviously there's some liberals that could say you could choose
the man part of.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
It, but we all know that you don't actually have
a choice.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Or control over any of that. But you can be
punished because of something you didn't even choose.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
Let me tell you how great it is to be
a white.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Dude, Okay, because I am one, you are.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
So when I'm filling out a job application, if I
have white male privilege, that should be an advantage.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
Right KBB.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
So when I get to these, when I get to
the eeo AA portion of the job application and it
asks me for my race and my gender, why then
do I leave both of those blank if.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
It plays so much to my advantage in hiring?
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Right?
Speaker 8 (31:00):
I leave them blank.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
And I would encourage any of you out there, young men,
or if you're the parents or grandparents of a young
white man, let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
Do not check those boxes, because you might as.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Well say don't hire me, don't hire me and turn
that application in.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, well, that's what all the stories that have been
coming out this week. You should read them. If you
don't believe it, go look them up on the news.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
That's exactly what they're saying has been happening, Like, doesn't
matter your qualifications, doesn't matter how experience you are, doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
How right you are for the job. That alone has
been disqualifying people for decades. You're white, you're a man. Goodbye.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
And as the daughter, wife, and mother of white men
or little boy right now, I don't think anyone should
be discriminated against.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But like I know them, like I know them very well.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I live with them or was raised by them every day,
and they're some of the best. Like people who don't
my husband, my dad, who works in multiple work environments,
are not the people who committed discriminatory acts. And yet
they're the ones and people like you Ryan, they're the
ones who this is held against like my son, who's
being raised not to discriminate against people and to see
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all human beings as equally valuable. Is then you know,
unless things change, going to go into a workforce that says, oh,
but now it's your turn to be discriminated against, even
though you personally committed none of this.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
And that's why the Trump administration is doing such great
work along these lines to undo all of these woke
DEI policies across the country.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yes, and I have hope they're going to make a
difference in time for my son, who's only twelve.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Right now, here's hoping. But here, let's play the clip
just so people are aware of what's going on.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
I'm Andrew Lucas, Chair of the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
Are you a white male who's experienced discrimination at work
based in your race or sex. You may have a
claim to recover money under federal civil rights laws. Contact
the EOC as soon as possible. Time limits are typically
strict for finally a claim.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
The EOC is the.
Speaker 10 (32:55):
Federal agency charged with enforcing federal anti discrimination law.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Federal anti discrimination law that applies to anyone.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
It's not like they go.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Investigated only for people of certain races and certain genders. It's,
in my view time to restore real equality to America.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
So I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on the Dan Kaplis Show.
I'll be on again, but not before Christmas. So a
Merry Christmas to all of you. Hope you enjoy.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Thank you, dear Ryan, enjoy time with your family and
those you love.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
For Dan today.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Thanks for listening, and I hope you have amazing Christmas plans.
I get to stay in town, which I'm actually very
excited about and still see lots of family. But for
anyone traveling that you're not going out of Dia today
with all the crazy winds there and all the diversions
to the Colorado Springs Airport, so hopefully that settles down
over the next week. I actually just saw a video
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someone posted on Twitter or x or whatever you want
to call it about a lake in Boulder that literally
looks like the ocean right now with all the waves
going on there. And never seen a lake in Boulder
like that before. So you know, some people are like
wind in the Gedden, Oh my goodness. I am not
really sure it's not bad, but for people whose power
is out for days in Golden and Boulder, that's got
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to be kind of scary in my opinion, and really
unusual for Colorado. So I'm very hopeful that all settles
down over the next few days with no more wildfires
going on, hopefully, and Excel, for a whole lot.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Of reasons, in my view, should get their act together.
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I think, on one hand, you can't blame them for
shutting down power when the last time they didn't there
was a really crazy fire. I think it was the
Marshall fire that happened and destroyed a lot of a
lot of things, So you can understand like why they're
doing it. But I think the problem is that Excel
is a monopoly and often behaves in a number of
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ways that isn't truly right for all the customers they
treat that way, continue to raise rates on customers and
just do a whole host of things that make their
customers mad and don't give people the service they should have.
And I think a lot of people worried about are
these outages are a thing that's going to continue in Colorado,
And when you do have a monopoly in many areas
of the state, it becomes more likely that come and
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he can do.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Whatever they want.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
But anyways, let's get to some other topics. As I
said at the beginning of the show, there's so much
to cover today when I looked at the news and
some textures in with some very interesting questions all show long.
So someone is asking about if I would comment on
the Ted Cruz interview with Tucker and Ryan actually did
an interview with Ted Cruz. I'm gonna play you a
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couple of clips from this and Ted Cruz is explaining
I think exactly why Tucker Carlson got the Iranian strikes
that President Trump carried out wrong. Ted Cruz far more
right than Tucker Carlson. But let's listen to this clip.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
One final point, Senator Cruz, This interchange between you and
Tucker Carlson aged very well for you, not so well
for him in the wake of the Trump peace accord
between Israel and Hamas.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Okay, what's the ethnic mixer for Ron?
Speaker 5 (02:53):
They are Persians, predominantly Shia. Okay. You don't know anything
about Iran, so okay, I am not the Tucker Carlson
bird on Iran.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
You're a senator.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Who's calling You're the onember, the one who's the country. No,
you don't know anything about the country. You're the one
who claims they're not trying to murder Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I'm not saying that.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Who can't figure out General Philamoni And you said they're
trying to murder Trump.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yes, I because you're not calling for military strikes against
them in retaliation if they really believed that.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Caring out military strikes today, you said Israel was.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Right with our health, Senator, that was in advance of
the strikes against the nuclear sites within Iran that many
are arguing, including myself, were paramount this deal getting done
through a show of force.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Your response unquestionably correct. The single most important national security
decision that President Trump has made in his second term
was the decision to launch the bombing stripes strikes on
the nuclear facilities in Iran. It was an incredible success.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
We had b two.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Bombers fly halfway around the world, liver bunker busting bombs
to take out three nuclear facilities, including the Foidah facility
that's literally built in the bottom of a mountain to
develop nuclear weapons. And understand Iran was working to develop
nuclear weapons because I believe they intended to use them.
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When the Iotola chance death to America and death to Israel,
I believe him.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, very little is as clear as Iran's desire to
go after the United States at Israel and an Island
is both if it were within their power to do so.
So I do think Ryan's very good interview for one.
And secondly, I think, you know Tucker Carlson's advice to
the President that he not do nuclear strikes or sorry,
not nuclear strikes, but strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities. He
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advised the President against that. I think it's inexplicable advice.
I don't understand why you would do that. There's no
question what kind of a nation Iran has become under
the IATOLA. There's no question what their goals are like.
They don't hide it, they don't even try. They were
involved in the Hamasa tacks against Israel for a whole
host of reasons. I think that's actually going to come
out as one of the best foreign policy stories in
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twenty twenty five. Of the history will actually back that up,
you know, years from now when we look back at
our kids are reading in the textbooks. I think that
those strikes were essential for a number of reasons. So clearly,
Senator Cruz much more correct than Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I think the interview as.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
A whole was very interesting and very divergent views, and
I do think Senator Cruz tends to be far more
correct on foreign policy in general than Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Okay, let's see.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I do want to play you another clip from Marca
Rubio again. If you're just tuning in, listen to his
foreign policy speech that he gave today, very comprehensive view
of how America is approaching foreign policy through the lens
of our own national interests. It's sort of like that
you know, make America Great Again agenda that President Trump
has a lot of people think, oh, it makes us
just isolation send the world.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I don't think that's true at all.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And Marco Rubut did a really good job explaining, No,
I'm paraphrasing here, No, it's not an isolation view of
the world. It's saying all foreign policy decisions we make
need to be made through the lens of what is
the national interest of Americans And whether we're looking at
spending for NGOs and forced taxpayer funding of charities, is
that really an America's best national interest or instead of
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spending taxpayer dollars on that, should Americans be more free
with their own dollars to donate to charities of their
choice so that children around the world are fed and
refugees are taking care of. My family loves to donate
to Samaritans Purse, which does an excellent job working in
refugee camps around the world and giving those people, you know,
the care they need and the gospel as well, which
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is something that's really important for my family to fund.
And so I think that's a really good principle an
American foreign policy. It's not the government's responsibility to spend
your money that you give to the government outside of
the country when it doesn't advance national interests. But here
here is another interesting clip from Marco Rubio talking about
the single most serious threat to the US from the
Western hemisphere. This is very current and I think really
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important for people to understand when it.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
Comes to the Western hemisphere, the single most serious threat
to the United States and the Western Hemisphere is from
transnational terrorist criminal groups primarily focused on narco trafficking, but
they're at all sides businesses as well. So the good
news is we have a lot of countries in the
region that openly cooperate and work with us to confront
these challenges. Mexico, their level of cooperation with US as
the highest it's ever been in their history. Throughout Central
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America for the most part, except for maybe Nicaragua and
to some extent, Honduras, we've had great cooperation from Ecuador,
from El Salvador. From Ecuador being in South America, but
across the Pacific coast, WARLD also undertaking efforts Guatemala, Costa Rica, Panama.
These are all nations that cooperate with US openly. In
search of stability in the region. You move to the
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Caribbean Basin in Trinidad, in Guyana, in Jamaica, and the
Dominican Republic, countries that openly cooperate with US. Even Columbia,
despite its unusual president, has institutions in that country that
work very closely with US, and those ties remain unimpeded
and unaffected.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So all of this is very positive.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
There's one place that doesn't cooperate, and it's the illegitimate
regime in Venezuela, and not only did not cooperate with US,
they openly cooperate with terrorists and criminal elements.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Now a Secretary of State, Marcurruvio went on to describe
the situation in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Even more.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
You could listen to his speech for yourself, But I
think he's setting up all the reasoning why the Trump
administration is taking out drug cartel members on the boats
in Venezuela. There's a big reasons behind that for all
the liberals and Democrats, including Congressman Jason Crow, who want
to object to the president taking out drug cartel members,
which he's classified as basically terrorist groups. And what's always
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amazing to me is that these same people were not
objecting in the Obama administration when he used drone strikes
in Libya and other countries like this is a common
thing that presidents do, is order specific strikes to take
out specific individuals or specific groups or organizations that are
a threat to the United States of America. So if
you want to understand the thinking and reasoning behind some
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of the foreign policy decisions that have been very successful
over the last year in the Trump administration, this speeches
is very much well worth your time to listen to.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I'm going to take a break.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
When I come back, I'll address not only the eeoc's
invitation for white men to file job discrimination charges, but
also I have a texter asking about my taker opinion
on Victor Marx, who's one of the people running for
governor here in Colorado. So I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're
on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
All right, so I have a texter asking what my
taker opinion on Victor Marx is. I will give you
a few thoughts that I have. I was the former
chair of the Republican Party. For anyone who who doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
That, I wouldn't expect you to know that. Most people
don't even.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Know parties have shairs, So anyway, it's totally fine if
you don't know that. But I've had some, you know,
experience with different races, different candidates, learned a lot about
who's likely to succeed and who's not. I will preface
that by saying, no one is always right in politics,
even the most the best strategists and predictors are often wrong.
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But still happy to give you my thoughts after I
play a few clips for you. Ryan had some good
interviews with a number of the gubernatorial candidates. I've had
State Senator Barb Kirkmeyer on the show with me. I
think the last time I hosted, because she's also on
the Joint Budget Committee in the legislature and just has
a lot of insight about the state budget and all
the you know, errors and mistakes the Democrats continue to
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make an overspending so I always love her perspective on
that in particular. But Ryan hosts enough on his OWDE
show to get all the candidates on with him, and
so I'm gonna play this specific clip from Victor Marx
talking about that he has a strategy to raise money
and win the primary. Two of the biggest questions that
you should ask any candidate whoever runs, is you have
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to have money to win and you have to be
able to win your party's primary. So I think this
is an interesting clip for those reasons.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Do you know why why is raising money in Florida
a priority at all when you're running for governor in Colorado?
Speaker 9 (11:20):
Let me say it again. Do you know where I
was this past Sunday?
Speaker 6 (11:25):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (11:25):
I wasn't with you Thursday fundraiser events. Do you know
I have a podcast this afternoon? Do you know I
have an event tomorrow morning? I have been booked, throttling
and enjoying it all of our events are packed out standing,
ram only, I don't need advice from you. Are Steve Rings,
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are Steve Wells or Barb kirk Meyer. They are They
can run their campaign, they can run their debates. They
should do what's best for them. But I'm telling you,
as Victim Martz, who's leading this by a structured, discipline, professional,
unemotional approach to winning, we're in the lead and I
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don't need to do anything that goes outside of our
bounds of what we're going to do to win.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Okay, well, so a few thoughts.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
First of all, I first heard about Victor Marx back
at a conference at the broad More. It was a
Christian organization. I think it's called Fathers in the Field,
a really good organization actually that pairs teenage boys who
don't have a father figure in their life with a vetted, qualified,
full of character man who can come alongside them, take
them to fishing trips, kind of mentor them and do some.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Good stuff in their lives.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
As anyway, they brought in Victor Marx as one of
their speakers, so he told his personal life story, which
is very compelling, and he also of course shared some
of the abilities he has with the dogs he trains
and the martial arts training. That he has a very
entertaining speaker, good personal story, so I definitely remember him
from that, and then of course he popped back up
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running for governor. What I think in general in politics
is there's a lot of people who are a very
qualified human beings to lead something. Also people with really
great compelling personal stories. I mean, Jadie Vance is one
of those people. But I think you have to have
more than those two things to win in politics. I
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think both of those things are very helpful in politics
and can sometimes help people who might otherwise not win
or rise close to the top. But I think you
still have to have a general understanding of the issues
that are going to face you in your race, and
a general understanding of basic political strategy. I think a
lot of people come from the outside of politics and
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come in and say I can do this differently, and
it's going to work for me. Hasn't worked for anyone else,
but it's going to work for me. I have the keys,
I have the solution. I can get it done now.
I could respect that kind of a viewpoint, because you
wouldn't want to lead a state if you didn't think
you had solutions, so it's not a bad quality. But
sometimes if you're brand new to politics and you're not
surrounding yourself with people who are going to give you
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the right kind of advice behind the scenes and say, hey,
here's the long, hard, slow work that actually has to
go on behind the scenes to raise money in politics,
or here are the policy positions you really need to
understand that are relevant to your race, like the taxpayer
Bill of Rights in Colorado, property taxes in Colorado, public
safety issues in Colorado, like the mental incompetency one that's
all over the news in recent days, the issues that
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nine News investigation uncovered with the Department of Correction releasing
parole's in Colorado, and the own internal audit showed that
ninety eight percent of the time the evaluations are getting
it wrong and people who go out to go on
to murder people after they're released are being released on
parole in Colorado. Like it's those kind of issues that
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pop up at a state that you have to be
able to deal with and comment on and have solutions
for on a daily basis. That is what I personally
have found lacking in some the speeches Victor Marx is giving.
I think he is a leader. I think he has
a great personal story. I think he probably has a
lot of character. He's a man of faith, But I
have not heard those policy answers, and that is troubling
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to me. If you want to be governor, you have
to have policy answers. That's why I think a lot
of people who are concerned about good policy are supporting
Bark Kirkmeyer is because she has proven for years that
she deeply understands the inner workings of Colorado government and
what she would do to solve issues differently from what
the Democrats are offering.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I think you need that deep policy knowledge to be
a real.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Substantive candidate, and not saying someone like Victor Marks can't
go out and learn it, but I'm saying he hasn't
given any indication in his speeches or interviews that I've
heard that he actually has that right now, and you
usually need to go get that before you run for
a position as high as governor. I'd also say, just
from that clip that I played, you can say you're
going to raise money differently than everyone else and that
(15:55):
you're the leading candidate, but both require numbers.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
If you're going to raise money. Okay, how much money
are you raising?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Not just that you can, but are you actually And
it's hard to raise money in Colorado. We have pretty
strict campaign finance limitations. You can't just rely on your
own ability to raise money. You actually have to have
outside groups that are supporting you. Usually if there's a
big primary in Colorado because of our campaign finance limitations,
I don't know if he has those or if he doesn't.
(16:22):
And then secondly, just to say I'm the leading candidate,
I'm going to win, well, pretty much every.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Candidate tells you that, So.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
That doesn't really indicate whether not you are just because
you claim it. So again, a lot of respect for
his personal story, for his leadership abilities, but I would
like to see more substantive answers instead of claims and
real policy solutions versus I'm the right person for the job.
I think anyone can claim that, but not everyone can
(16:48):
have real policy solutions.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
So that's my current take on.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
It, and I will say again that I just do
respect the depth of policy knowledge that Bark Kirkmeyer has
built over years in Colorado, and I think there's a
lot to be said for having real answers.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
To follow up on the Barb Kirkmeyer point.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Somebody who I've interviewed many times in the past, has
a lot of respect for a Laker personally.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I still can't.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Get around both her and Mark Baisley and the Senate
voting for this competency law that allows defendants to find
a shrink be declared incompetent to stand trial, and they
both voted yes on it.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I can't, Okay, So let's.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Actually talk about that when we get back from a
break beause almost all Republicans.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Voted for it, every one of them been in the
Senate Yes, And I've heard some reasoning as to why how.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
The bill was sold to them deceptively. So let's talk
about it when we get back. I'm Christy Burton Brown
and you're on the Dan Kapla Show. You can call
in three zero three seven one three eight two five
five or text your thoughts to Dan at five seven,
seven three nine.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
You're on the Dan Capla Show. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Is actually one of my favorite Christmas songs choice I
actually remember one Christmas.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Oh goodness, this is back when I was in law school,
so forever ago.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I went up to New York City and skated at
the Rockefeller Center and a classic thing to do.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It's abody what an.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Only time I've ever been to New York City. But
on the Giant skyscraper across from the skating rink, they
have these giant snowflakes that flashed in time to Carol
of the Bells, a classical version of the song.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
And it's just one of my.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Actually favorite Christmas scenes that I've ever seen in my
life in New York City.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And that was, like I said, oh my goodness, over
fifteen years ago now, so I.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Can't imagine maybe what they play now, probably even better technology,
but it was pretty great back then.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
So you didn't get lost in New York like Kevin
McAllister and Home Alone two.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I did not, Okay, good.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Finally showed that movie to my kids this year Alone
two or the first one both?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Actually, Oh it's a future, yeah what after the other?
Love it?
Speaker 8 (18:56):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, it's a wonderful life. Still the best one.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
But Home Alone, if you want to laugh right there
with you, pretty good.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
And I love the scene and Home Alone the original
and we're just talking about this on the right side
of Hollywood Christian Toto Jody Kalm also in where he's
in church with the old man. Yes, and it's Kevin
that imparts the wise advice. Got to call your son,
I know. And then how that movie ends, it really
kind of brings a tear to your eye.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
No, it's good.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
They weave some you know, real good family lesson. I
think into what is otherwise just a funny for example,
you think.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Of the Slapstick you know which, and Daniel Stern and
the Wet Bandits.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
It's funny and it's fun.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
But that was a really sweet, tender moment and a
Christian moment quite frankly in that movie where they're sitting
in church and talking about him.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yes, well, that's what you should have in Christmas movies, right,
You got to have a little bit like that, a
little bit somewhere.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Gotta find it. Okay, let's see.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I think we were going to talk about the mental
incompetency loss, because Ryan, you brought that up in the
last segment when I was talking about Victor Martz and Kirkmeyer,
both whom are running for governor, and you did bring
up the question of why did.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Barker Kuier, Mark.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Baisley vote for this. It's twenty four to ten thirty
four HB. Twenty four ten thirty four. Sort of the
infamous law now in Colorado, so many stories have covered
it where permanently mentally incompetent people who are committing dangerous
crimes are being released onto the streets in Colorado because
of this law that requires charges to be dismissed by
(20:27):
the district attorney or the court and no exceptions for
violent or repeat crimes. Now, I think the law didn't
cover premeditated murder, so that is handled differently, but a
lot of other violent crimes like attempted kidnapping of children.
Actually a homicide against a woman who was dragged to
her death by a vehicle in by the driver a
(20:48):
vehicle in El Paso County, So even some types of murder,
it is not premeditated. For screen murder, these people are
being released out onto the street. The only way they're
not released onto the street is if they agree to civil.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Meant at a mental health facility.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
But if they don't agree to it, they the law
requires them to be released out onto the streets. Understandably,
a lot of people are very outraged about this. It
creates a lot of repeat crimes throughout the state, and
even progressive district attorneys liberal district attorneys like Amy Padden
in the eighteenth Judicial District is basically saying this law
is unacceptable, like it's not okay, but that they don't
(21:22):
have a choice.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
These people have to be release to the streets.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Well, and Jared Polus, the governor, when Sheriff Steve Rieimsenweld
County was dealing with that Ephraim Debasa debacle, was say, oh,
I'm glad he's in custoder, you're not out on the street.
It's your law that you signed. Pal call a special
session and fix it. And to Barb's credit and Mark
Basley's credit, they both most senators acknowledged they made a
big mistake because there was some kind of blind spot
(21:46):
in this bill and the way it turned out, the
practical effect was not the same as the intent. Barb's
been calling for a special session. Polish has been silent
on the matter. And I don't understand this, KBB, because
I don't think you have to be a Republican or
Democrat to realize this is a disaster and it needs to.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Be fixed well, and it does. And here's what I
think the problem was from my understanding. I'll just get
my perspective on this, and in my role at Advanced Colorado,
we're actually about to release a report on this whole
law and on the mental incompetency situation in Colorado. We've
been calling for a special session. Obviously the governor didn't
issue that. Over the summer, we've been hearing that the
(22:21):
legislature is going to deal with it in the next
session starting in January. And so our report details the
problems with this law, the stories and situations it's been
causing across Colorado, as well as solutions that could be
put into law to fix this really terrible situation that's
affecting a lot of victims across the state and putting
dangerous criminals onto the street. So, anyway, be able to
(22:43):
look out for that report. It should come out on
the thirtieth, I believe, right before the end of the year.
But all that said, this bill was I think very
deceptively sold to a lot of legislators, and it became
a very bipartisan bill. Really almost every single legislator on
both sides of the aisle voted for. There were exceptions
some specific Republicans. I think he voted against it.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
But they were the House, and all the Republican senators
voted for Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
So I mean it was a very much like, oh,
this is bipartisan. But here's how it was sold to them.
It was sold to them as two things. First of all,
this is going to help people who are mentally incompetent
go into civil commitment.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
So unfortunately they.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Were told that's what it would do, and it's a
long bill. I think we all can understand how legal
language can be confusing sometimes, and advocacy organizations were explaining
the bill that it would actually help more civil commitment happen,
which is what a lot of people believe should happen
with these like criminals who are truly mentally incompetent. I
think some of them are not, and the evaluators are
(23:40):
getting it absolutely wrong, and some das would tell you that.
But some of them are mentally incompetent. The point is
keep them off the streets, out of the communities. But
it doesn't It's fine if some of them go to
mental hospitals and civil confinement. They're off the streets, so
that's the point more than it is like put them
in jail. So anyway, this bill was sold to a
lot of legislators like, oh, that's what it's going to do.
It's going to put them in civil confinement. No, if
(24:03):
they agree, that's the problem. And a lot of legislators
weren't aware of that. That Like in this one murder
case in al Paso County that I'm talking about, the
guy got released to the streets because he would.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Not agree to go to a civil commitment facility.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Solomon Gallaghan and Aurora, who was arrested like for the
eighteenth time, this time for the attempted kidnapping of an
eleven year old boy outside of an elementary school, he
actually agreed to go to a mental hospital for a while,
so he is off the streets, but only because he agreed.
So that is not how the bill was sold, but
that's the reality of what it does. And then the
other way that it was sold is like a fiscally
responsible thing to do, because there is an organization that
(24:38):
has taken the State of Colorado to court, got settlements
and orders against Colorado that hey, if you're holding these
people in jail for too long, you pay, like millions
in fines and fees to different organizations, and they it's
twelve million dollars a year. I believe the state of
Colorado can be on the hook for if they're not
handling these situations correctly. Well, that organization came to legislators
and basically said, if you don't pass a law fixing
(25:00):
some of this and taking these people out of jail,
getting them somewhere else, we're going to go back and
we're going to get another settlement and get you guys.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
We're going to.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Force the state to pay fifty million dollars a year. Now,
how could they can guarantee that is a completely different question,
but that's what they were saying, and so a lot
of legislators were told, the fiscally responsible decision is to
not make put the state on the hook for fifty
million dollars a year. Twelve million is more reasonable if
we can make these changes that will put these people
into civil commitment instead of jail.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
So all of that to say, the law is terrible.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
And if you actually do pay attention to the nitty
gritty detail and the very small section that requires a
mandatory dismissal of charges, you would probably be able to
put together that the law does what it's doing now,
which is releasing dangerous criminals onto the street. But in
fairness to legislators on both sides of the aisle, that
(25:55):
is not how it was pitched to them. That it's
not how it was explained to them. That it's not
how I was sold to them by the people who
put the bill together. And so I just think that
background is relevant. Like I think what matters more than
the fact that they got it wrong is can they
admit that they got it wrong. That's not something that
the governor has been willing to admit that he got
it wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
He's just been like.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Oh, well, the district attorneys should go ahead and confine
them under civil confinement statutes. You can't in Colorado right now.
The law actually didn't build that in. Even though they
said it was going to build it in. It didn't.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
So kurt Meyer explained it that they were looking for
a constitutional solution to this for people that were truly
mentally ill. Now that's not been the bar and how
it's been applied in a lot of these cases which
are egregious, for instance, the McDonald's parking lot killing murder. Yes,
dragging the death of another there Joel Lang, who went
to a competency hearing and was asked Katie b As follows,
(26:47):
do you understand what it means to be declared incompetent,
to which he replied, yeah, it means this all goes
away exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
That's competence.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Absolutely, he's gaming the system, gaming the system. And one
of the district attorneys I talked you said, district attorneys
typically can't question these evaluators on the stand and say,
how are you making your evaluation these people to be
primarily mentally incompetent because they were like, if we could
question them, we could blow this apart. Some of these
people are not mentally incompetent, and yet this single evaluator
is declaring that they are. So lots of problems with
(27:19):
the system we detail in our report and Advanced Colorado.
It's going to come out before the end of the year.
But I've got to take a break out. I'm Christy
Burton Brown on the Dan Kaplas Show. Keep it right
here and text in your thoughts to five, seven, seven,
three nine, start it with Dan.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
It makes me feel like I'm in church, so thanks
for that, right, I'm actually christy. Yeah, I know, I'm
actually looking for I love going to like multiple Christmas
services if I can with my family. I just love
Christmas music good. Yeah, So if you haven't found one,
find one, because there's a lot in in All Cross, Colorado.
(28:01):
It's just a great time to be with other people.
One of the I think unifying times of the year
when we remember, you know, what we're celebrating, who we're celebrating,
and why we're all here on the earth, and that
someone actually placed us here with a purpose. So I
think Christmas is a great time to remember that your
life matters, and someone much more important than every single
one of us, the God who created us, says that
(28:24):
your life matters, and you wouldn't be here if you
didn't have a reason to exist.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
So one of the many reasons I love Christmas. I
think it's a great reminder of that.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
But moving on from messages of unity, I do want
to play you this one clip from the EEOC chair.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Andrea Lucas is her.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Name, and she it kind of made a lot of
waves this week inviting white men to file job discrimination charges,
and I think you know. Even more interesting than her
invitation to do so are the reports that have been
coming out along with this invitation, sort of like whistleblowers
from a number of institutions, company colleges saying, oh, yeah,
(29:03):
over the last couple decades, we absolutely had a policy
in place to exclude white men from hiring. And what
I find very interesting is the constitucial attorney myself, I
have equal protection clause is, like my favorite piece.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Of the Constitution.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
You're not allowed to discriminate against some people because they
are the majority, or some people because maybe once some
of them discriminated against people, so now we can discriminate
against them like that. That's not what the Constitution says.
It says that all forbes of discrimination against all human
beings are wrong. You don't get to discriminate against someone
because you don't like them because you think they've gotten.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
More than they deserved in the past.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
And one of the biggest problems with that kind of
viewpoint is it goes against the wrong people. Like if
you look back and say, oh, there were white men
decades ago who did discriminatory action against black people or
against women in particular, and of course you can find
stories like that all over.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
No one would deny that they happened.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
But the problem is the men that you're refusing to
hire today aren't the men who did that discrimination. So
that's a problem with that viewpoint is you often aren't
punishing the right people. You're saying, oh, you belong to
a class, and members of that class have done things
I disagree with in the past.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So you don't even do you get to choose.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
That you're born a man and born white. I mean,
obviously there's some liberals that could say you could choose
the man part of.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
It, but we all know that you don't actually have
a choice.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Or control over any of that. But you can be
punished because of something you didn't even choose.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
Let me tell you how great it is to be
a white.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Dude, Okay, because I am one, you are.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
So when I'm filling out a job application, if I
have white male privilege, that should be an advantage.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
Right KBB.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
So when I get to these, when I get to
the eeo AA portion of the job application and it
asks me for my race and my gender, why then
do I leave both of those blank if.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
It plays so much to my advantage in hiring?
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Right?
Speaker 8 (31:00):
I leave them blank.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
And I would encourage any of you out there, young men,
or if you're the parents or grandparents of a young
white man, let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
Do not check those boxes, because you might as.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Well say don't hire me, don't hire me and turn
that application in.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, well, that's what all the stories that have been
coming out this week. You should read them. If you
don't believe it, go look them up on the news.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
That's exactly what they're saying has been happening, Like, doesn't
matter your qualifications, doesn't matter how experience you are, doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
How right you are for the job. That alone has
been disqualifying people for decades. You're white, you're a man. Goodbye.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
And as the daughter, wife, and mother of white men
or little boy right now, I don't think anyone should
be discriminated against.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But like I know them, like I know them very well.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I live with them or was raised by them every day,
and they're some of the best. Like people who don't
my husband, my dad, who works in multiple work environments,
are not the people who committed discriminatory acts. And yet
they're the ones and people like you Ryan, they're the
ones who this is held against like my son, who's
being raised not to discriminate against people and to see
(32:07):
all human beings as equally valuable. Is then you know,
unless things change, going to go into a workforce that says, oh,
but now it's your turn to be discriminated against, even
though you personally committed none of this.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
And that's why the Trump administration is doing such great
work along these lines to undo all of these woke
DEI policies across the country.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yes, and I have hope they're going to make a
difference in time for my son, who's only twelve.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Right now, here's hoping. But here, let's play the clip
just so people are aware of what's going on.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
I'm Andrew Lucas, Chair of the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
Are you a white male who's experienced discrimination at work
based in your race or sex. You may have a
claim to recover money under federal civil rights laws. Contact
the EOC as soon as possible. Time limits are typically
strict for finally a claim.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
The EOC is the.
Speaker 10 (32:55):
Federal agency charged with enforcing federal anti discrimination law.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Federal anti discrimination law that applies to anyone.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
It's not like they go.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Investigated only for people of certain races and certain genders. It's,
in my view time to restore real equality to America.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
So I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on the Dan Kaplis Show.
I'll be on again, but not before Christmas. So a
Merry Christmas to all of you. Hope you enjoy.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Thank you, dear Ryan, enjoy time with your family and
those you love.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Thanks for listening on the dan Kaplish
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