September 2, 2025 • 33 mins
In the second hour of today's edition of The Dan Caplis Show, Sheriff Steve Reams fills in and talks with gun advocate Laura Carno.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Doing some trial preps. So you got me for today
and tomorrow and then back in here on Friday. I
think Christy Burton Brown will be here on Thursday. We've
been talking about guns and gun laws in the state
of Colorado, and I asked you guys call in, text in.
You can still do that. E can text five seven,
seven three nine, start your text out with Dan or
call in at three oh three seven one three eight
two five five. And like normal, we have the best
(00:37):
listeners out there. You guys are loading up the phone
lines and I want to get right to them. We've
got Joe in Monument wants to make some comments on
guns and guns gun laws. Joe, thanks for holding for us,
and what do you got to say?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Well, you know one thing you missed.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
There's a catch twenty two built into this law, you bet,
especially for somebody who's new and doesn't own one. Okay,
So I come to use the sheriff, I get permission
to go.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Take my class. Right, the new class.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Requires not only is it spread out over two days,
but it includes gun shooting training. Right, So how do
I do the semi automatic weapon to do my training?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So that I have said that one hundred times over,
I don't know. So again, Colorado Parks and while you
brought out something that we challenged during this whole process,
how is someone going to take a gun safety class
if they're not allowed to buy the gun before they
go to the class. So I don't believe that component
is going to actually be in existence in the class.
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So CPW, Colorado Parks and Wildlife is going to have
some rulemaking authority that we'll be given and I think
that's going to be one of those things where they go, well, crap,
we kind of missed that.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Well, the other thing that they put in jeopardy. So
many people have no idea what the Robertson Act is.
But there's an enormous a lot of money the hunters,
sports shooters, anyone that's done anything fire and related with
this Pittman Robertson, tex puts into the state Parks and
rec Yeah, if any of that money is used for
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this program, they lose all of it.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
We're talking thirty four million dollars in funding loss.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yes, So the reason that this all went to Colorado
Parks and Wildlife is because they're an enterprise fund. So
the money is that Colorado Parks and Wildlife uses to
run their organization is based off of fees that they
charge to people who use their services, hunters, paying for
a hunting license, all those kind of things. So the
only way that this bill could get through because nobody
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else wanted it is as Daniel spoke about earlier, nobody
wanted to house this thing. So CPW the only way
they can make it work is they can charge a
fee for all this crap they're putting you through, and
then they can hire the staff and everything to quote
unquote manage this process. But I got to tell you,
I don't think you know. August first of twenty twenty six.
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To me, if they get this thing put together and
make it somewhat serviceable by then, I will be shocked.
I will I will be absolutely amazed.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
That'll the next lawsuit after CSSA is going to be
somebody challenging that they fund the money somewhere and did
not keep the Pittman Robertson money out of this, because
they lose the entire if they use a penny. I know, yeah,
they lose thirty four million in funding.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So, Joe, tell me this, how do they set up
this this database system where people are going to, you know,
go back and forth and report that they've taken a class,
report that they've had a background. The sheriff's going to
allegedly enter this information saying yeah, this person's good. How
do they even set that up if they can't charge
the feew? So I think to your point, it's yeah,
there's a question about where's the funding coming from. Where's
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the seed money coming from?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Here's here's Governor Polus going all this Republican one big
wonderful bill dug us a huge hole because of all
its unfunded mandates. Yeah, well, guess what you just did,
Governor pull Us, You and your luck. He's just dropped
a huge unfunded mandate on the sheriffs. Yep, on parts
and wildlife.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yep. Yeah, it's a mess. Joe, you hit all the
great comments. It's obvious that you've read the bill and
it's a it's a terrible read because it does it's
not congruent, it doesn't make sense. You have to take
the thing apart and try to figure out what all
these steps mean mean. But it's obvious that you've read it,
and I encourage everyone out there that's listening take the
time go back and read send it Bill twenty five
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Dash three and just look at how bad this thing
is put together. Joe, you hit some great comments, and
thank you for calling in. We appreciate you being a
loyal listener.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
You bet, Thank you, sir, Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
We'll go next to James and Golden. James, you've got
some questions on gun laws. Can we what can we
answer for you? Sir?
Speaker 5 (04:55):
So law enforcement either skater, federal or county matter or
retired law enforcement? Yeah, are they gonna have to go
through a whole another series of training or be able
to buy a private semi automatic weapon?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
The quick answer is yeah, you're still gonna have to
go through all these steps. Now, there are some there
are some I guess loopholes that are built into the
bill that say, hey, if you're active law enforcement and
you can prove that you've done a couple of these steps,
then you might not have to go take the four
hour class or the eight hour class. But you're still
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going to have to You're still gonna have to go
apply for well, you're gonna have to go pay for
a background investigation. You're still gonna have to take it
to the sheriff. You just might not have to go
take the class in the same way that everything is required.
But again, there's time bars for when that stuff plays
into effects. So if you've been retired for twenty years,
you know, I'm shooting from the hip here. I don't
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have the bill in front of me. You're probably going
to go through the whole process. I can tell you.
As a person who's about to leave law enforcement, and
just over a year, one year, four months, and I
think two days, I'm expecting that if this thing stays
in place, I'm going to have to go through all
the same steps as anyone else. And that's why I'm
encouraging people. If there's a gun that's been on your
list that you want to buy, go buy it now,
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because none of this stuff is in effect until August
first of twenty twenty six. All right, Thank you, thank you, James,
thanks for listening. We have another caller on the line.
We have Dick from Parker. He's got questions on guns. Dick,
what can we help you with?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
You?
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Just wondering once once this bill gets pass.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Can someone go with you?
Speaker 6 (06:33):
Go to the this year up, say I want to
buy a gun, but I'm not sure when I'm going
to buy it, go through all the rigamarole and take
the test and get approved, and then just sit on it. Yeah,
so you're maybe a year later say oh, I decided
I want to buy this gun, and they everything to
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be taken care of.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah. So actually you can the permit that you'll be
issued from the sheriff to go take the class. It's
actually a five year permit, just like a concealed handgun permit.
They're good for five years. So once you take it
and you go, you say, hey, I want to go
buy a firearm. Well you can buy as many as
you want. Well, again, this is one of those places
where the law really didn't wasn't clear, So you can
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go buy as many firearms as you want during that
five year period. My assumption is as long as you
don't go out and do something that would get you
in trouble, like if you get a restraining order against
you from someone that's that's going to prevent you from
buying a firearm in the state. But you're still going
to have a permit that says you can. So that's
going to put it on the gun store owner to say, well,
wait a minute, you've got this permit to say that
you can buy a firearm. But now we've done this
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three day you know this this insta check and three
day waiting period, and it's come back and said you
can't own a gun. So there's going to be some
situations like that. But yeah, the permit is good for
five years, Dick, Okay.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
Just good for five years, just like my concealed carry
I have to redo it in eight.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Right, So and unfortunately, you know, like I said, the
only benefit that a concealed handgun permit's going to give
you as it pertains to this law is you might
want to try to line them up so that you're
renewing them if you will at the same time. But
hopefully this thing gets overturned and it's just water into
the bridge and we don't have to worry about it.
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That's the best case scenario.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Okay, thanks for very much.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
You bet, thanks for calling you. I know we'll get
to one more caller before we go to break. We'll
make this some quick I'm not exactly sure where the
caller's from. I think Kelly's processing, but actually we'll just
go to break. When we come back, we'll get with
Laura Carno. We'll bring her on with Faster Colorado. We'll
break down some more of this stuff, and we'll try
to get to this caller as well, because I want
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to make sure we're answering all your questions. You're stick
sticking with us, You're sending in a lot of good information,
and I want to honor all that and make sure
that we keep you engaged. But right now you're listening
to the Dan Cafley Show here with Well Kenny Sheriff
Steve Reams as your guest host. We'll go to break
and we'll be back in just a few short seconds.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
The Dan capless Show here with Well Keunny Sheriff Steve
Reims is the guest host again. For you know, another great,
fun filled episode where we're talking about such great things
in Colorado, like unconstitutional gun laws and the like. But
I say all that because you know, you got to
stay in the fight. And you guys have been great
as listeners. The text are just flowing in, and we've
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had the phone lines loaded up quite a few times.
We've got a caller waiting. It's Chris over in Fremont.
But Chris, we're gonna ask you to keep holding or
you can hang up and call back in a little bit,
because I want to get to our next guest, which
is Laura Carner. She's the director executive director of Faster
Colorado and also a person I consider a good friend.
Laura and I have known each other for a while,
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but I actually don't know how we met. So maybe
you can refresh my memory, Laura about exactly how we
came across each other. But Laura, thanks for being on
the show. And how you doing today.
Speaker 8 (10:01):
I'm doing very well.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
How are you sharing? Well?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I'm good considering we have this topic to talk about.
I don't like the.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
Topic, yeah, and I hate that. I love being on
air with you, but I hate why we're on air.
Every time we're talking together.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, it seems like, you know, there's another school shooting
and I hate to even say it, that way out
on Minnesota and Minneapolis very tragic incident, a shooter obviously
a distressed individual that was having some mental health issues.
And you know, it always comes back to is this
a gun issue or is this a person issue? And
I know that I know where you stand on this,
but in teaching and running Faster Colorado kind of what's
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your philosophy and what is it that your organization kind
of pushes forward so the schools and entities like that
can protect themselves.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
Yeah, you know, we want to make sure that no
additional children die or are shot or injured or anything
in school shootings, that they are not sitting ducks in
a place where people aren't allowed to protect them. You
can go to the department store across the street from
the school and there are armed security guards in the
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Lauingeride department And you just look at the different geographies
and you say, why is it okay for somebody to
protect some value over there, But when we come to
our most valuable assets, our children, we're not allowed to
protect them there, and not just not allowed to protect them,
we advertise that we don't protect them. So what Faster
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Colorado does is we advocate for the policy of armed
school staff, which is legal in Colorado and we provide
them world class training so that if God forbid, something
happens on their campus and they need to stop an
active killer, that there's the best chance that they can
save lives in their school.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Right, absolutely, And I've worked with your organization in the past.
I don't advertise which school districts around the state are
arming their teachers, but it's a safe assumption that in
Weld County we're going to be pretty We're going to
be pretty supportive of the efforts that your organization pushes
forward and so many of the school districts. So you know,
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you want to be a school shooter, you're not necessarily
going to find an easy target in many places in
Weld County. But that's also not just in Weld County.
That's in many places around the state. Is that correct?
Speaker 8 (12:31):
Yeah, that's absolutely correct. And we're in our ninth training
year and we have trained I think by the end
of this training year, which we'll be training through November,
I think will be over probably five hundred people in
maybe forty four or so school districts in Colorado. And
you know what you speak to about school shooters shouldn't
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come to Weld County, You're really speaking to that determin
effect and where schools are armed, it gets out and
you know, as we're seeing school shooters are making tactical
decisions on not going to schools where they think there
might be armed staff.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, even in this most recent one in Minnesota, that shooter,
you know, the aftermath, some of the investigation has shown
that you know, he she was familiar with that with
that particular school, having attended there in the past, and
kind of knew, hey, this is probably my best opportunity little,
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you know, a little unplanned on how to get into
the school. So there was shooting through the windows. But
regardless knew the shooter knew that was going to be
a soft target. Our goal and my goal in law enforcement.
You know, we in Weld County were pretty fortunate that
we put school resource officers in all our schools in
unincorporated Wild County, and we work with if it's a
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school district that wants to arm their teachers, wants to
arm their staff, we're happy to work with them because
we figure, hey, the more people that are looking out
for kids, the better. And I think that same philosophies
have been adopted in many places around the state.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
Yeah, you're exactly right, and we've really applaud what you
have done in Wild County making sure that there is
a school resource officer everywhere. And that's tough in rural county,
sure it is, because you've got so much ground to cover,
but yet we're finding the same thing across the state
is where there are school resource officers and additional armed staff,
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those SROs are so happy to have additional backup because
you know, these campuses are big and a bad guy.
If they want to shoot up a school and you
take as much innocent life with them as possible, they're
not going to do it right in front of the SRO.
That's not where they're starting. So to have them not
knowing who else could possibly be armed as a huge
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deterrent and keeps the schools safer.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Well and shifting gears just a little bit. I'm sure
you were listening earlier, but we had Daniel Finnlissen from
CSO say on, I believe you were down at a
press conference that was held in Colorado Springs today kind
of take an aim at the state of Colorado for
the passage of Senate Bill three. I know you have
an investment in that particular bill because it does impact
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how school staff can arm, it can be armed, and
how they can continue to be a part of your program.
Speaker 8 (15:23):
Right And as you and Daniel were talking about the
hoops on fire that people have to jump through just
to purchase a firearm, much less carry it, think about
how much more difficult that is for people in rural areas.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
And we have that's a great point.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
So many schools because of the distance that maybe huge counties,
If you're in a rural area, you're on your own.
The sheriff wants to be there, but might not be
able to be there for thirty or forty five minutes.
So if these folks need to again these hoops on fire,
and I don't think that's that's you know, exaggerating.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Anything, It's pretty accurate.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
They have to they all these towns, all these little towns,
don't have all the resources that they have in the
larger areas, like going into these places to get your
certifications and your training and your testing and all that
kind of stuff. They might have to drive quite a
way to get to a Sheriff's.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Absolutely, Laura, stick with us if we're going to cut
to break real quick. But when we come back, we'll
deconstruct that some more, because you hit a great point
that I think a lot of people that live in
urban areas just don't understand. So stick with us. Through
the break, we have Laura Carno on the line with
Faster Colorado. You're listening to the Dan Caplas Show with
well Kenny Sheriff Steve Raams as your guest host.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Rams is your guest host. And when we went to break,
we had Laura Carno with us Ale from Faster Colorado.
She's the executive director and she was gracious enough to
stay on with us so that we can continue this
discussion about, you know, how teachers can protect themselves and
their students in Colorado, but also how Senate Bill three,
this very radical gun bill that was recently passed, is
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impacting that particular effort. And Laura, when we went to break,
you were talking a little bit about how these school
districts and rural areas are actually impacted a little bit
more by this bill because it's not necessarily easy for
someone who lives out in a four thousand square mile
county like Welld County to just run to the gun
store because that may be a two hour drive one way.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
Yeah, yeah, you're exactly right. And as Daniel was saying
in the last hour that the purpose of Senate Bill
Free was to make things as difficult as possible, I
think it's just you know, exponentially different, more difficult for
rural folks for that exact reason. They you know, unless
they're in the county seat.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
They might be quite a distance from.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
A sheriff's office. Even so every step of that that
extremely long process is going to take them even longer.
So it's going to be more difficult. They're going to
have to take take time off work. A lot of
school staff and rural areas have have jobs on the weekends,
jobs in the summer, stuff like that, so it's it's
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tough on it's tough for them.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, you know, there's this thought process that school teachers
just you know, they make tons of money, they get
the summers off, and you know, if they want to
carry a gun in the school, this is just one
more way that they can make money. And and that
couldn't be farther from the truth. Most of the teachers
that are that are agreeing to to carry firearms. Like
in the school district I was a school board member
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for we used to do these things called dollar contracts.
So if you wanted to be a coach, if you
wanted to help out in an additional way, oftentimes you
would sign basically a dollar contract, so you'd have workmen's
comp coverage. But essentially everything that you're doing, you're doing
for free. And I know that a lot of these
teachers that are participating in the faster program and are
helping to uh protect their schools are doing so under
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the same you know kind of idea of one of
those dollar contracts. Nobody's getting rich off of this.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
Yeah, those are very common, and there are some school
districts that you know, pay for maybe a arranged membership,
but that's really in service of you've got to you've
got to be practicing right on a very regular basis,
and some practice AMMO and stuff like that. But yeah,
you're exactly right, nobody is getting rich. But it basically,
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you know, people that are volunteering for this, they are
already most of them skilled in firearms, so you know,
we're not getting anybody's as well. I don't know a
dang thing about firearms, so I'll be an armed staff member.
That's not happening. But what if they're not allowed to carry,
you know, absence of policy like this, they're sitting ducks
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with this skill set to be able to protect lives,
but not with the tools. So sore they're delighted to
be able to volunteer to be a member of the
armed security team.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, I think the program, you know, it's such a
basic idea. It just makes so much sense. But when
you kind of when you kind of package it the
way that your organization has and said, Okay, you know,
we know that our process makes sense. We know that
if we teach, if we teach these folks how to
do it the right way, it's just it's exponentially better
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than doing nothing or putting up you know, gun free zone.
Have you seen any have you seen any fallout from
one of these programs? Have you had any bad experiences?
I mean, yeah, I know you don't like to advertise
the negative, but has there been a situation where this
just hasn't worked out real.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
Well, not that we have any inkling of. On the contrary,
we've heard from some schools about situations where the fact
that they were known to have armed staff. Was absolutely
a deterrent documented. You know, it's not that somebody came in,
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you know, guns of blaze and they were stopped, but
it was deterred. And I think that is so much
better to Nobody wants to do this. Nobody wants to
to you know, have to use their firearm in defense
of folks at school. Nobody wants that to happen. So
the deterrent effect is such a valuable piece of that.
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And you know, what we've seen in research is that
armed schools with kinciel Carey armed stuff have never had
a shooting.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Well and let's you know, knock on wood when we
say that it continues that way, because this is a
growing trend. It's not just here in Colorado, it's a
it's a growing trend across the country. And you know,
you sent me an article earlier. Even the President of
the United States, which I got to tell you, I
love Donald Trump. I think he's been a great president,
but he hasn't always been the staunch Second Amendment advocate
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that you know, I would like for him to be.
He's generally pretty good on it, but not necessarily as
to the right as I would prefer. Even he is
now saying, well, you sent me the article, you tell us.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
Yeah, And he said it during the right after the
Parkland shooting as well during his first term, that we
should have armed teachers. And at the time during Parkland
he said we should give armed teachers bonuses. And you know,
I was trying to connect with the Department of Education saying, no,
that's not a thing for the reasons you.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And I just dis Yeah, you wanted to be a
righteous reason that they're doing this.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Yeah, precisely, and yeah. And then there was a press
conference today and one of the reporters asked about the
shooting in Minneapolis, and he said, you know, I think
if we had just a small percentage of armed teachers,
and I'm sure he believed. He means armed staff could
be the janitor or the purcipal too. You know, I
think these things would stop. And he is one hundred
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percent right. All we need is the law to get
out of the way so that that these things are easier.
You know, I still support very rigorous training, obviously, and
faster or our instructors are all activity law enforcement instructors,
so that when your guys arrive the armed staffers are
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using the same tactics as your guys, So it's very
important you know that we have that kind of a
quality of instruction.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, we're speaking the same language. When when we get
on the same scene and we're we're we're walking the
same beat, so to speak. You know, this is a
topic that's going to continue to be an issue until
those on the left finally understand that you can't remove
guns from the world. And so at some point you're
going to have to recognize that criminals are going to
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be criminals and we need to be able to fight back.
You know, your instruction that goes out to all these teachers,
how how well received is it. I know that sometimes
you have teachers that walk in with a little bit
of trepidation or staff members that walk in with a
little bit of trepidation. When this class is over, what
kind of change do you see in those folks.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
Yeah, it's a really fun part of it. We have
less trepidation than you would think coming in because they've
been so well vetted by their schools before they get
to us. But we do occasionally have folks that it
starts to hit them when we do our first mind
that some of are with them. This might be somebody I.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Know, Yeah, this might be a student, yes, and.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
Yeah, the difference between not just you know, day one
in the final day when they pass the qualification, the
post qualification.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
But you know, we're.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Seeing people now that has been with us for all
nine of our training years, that's all. And to see
the change in some of these these staff members. So
you know, one was a young teacher when we first
met him in twenty seventeen in our first class, and
he just became a principal of a neighboring district. And
to see him, you know, moving through a building like
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a SWAT member is really really rewarding for us because
we've had just a huge impact on this population of
important people.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, Laura, thank you for being on the show with us.
And if people want to learn more about your organization
or your program, where can they find that.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
Yeah, they can go to Faster Colorado dot org. And
I always encourage people to look at the our team
page and look at the biographies of our instructors. Are
very impressive people, and we are have a one C three.
If anyone wanted to help with our mission, I'm happy
to have any of those conversations.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Awesome again, thanks for being on the show, Laura. I'm
sure we'll talk again soon, and maybe it won't be
after a school shooting. Maybe we'll have something to celebrate, like,
you know, the winning of a lawsuit.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
So that would be amazing, That would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, great having you on. We're going to cut the break.
When we come back, we'll clear up these phone lines.
You guys have been you've been very patient. I want
to make sure we get to you, and we'll also
get to the rest of your text. But again text
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We are in the last segment of our show. This
thing just Flies by. Yeah, that's an awesome song. That
being said, we've had Chris holding on the line from
Freemont County for quite a while, so Chris, I want
to make sure we get to your call. What a
question do you have for sir Chris, please please tell
me you're still there.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Hello. Are you there?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, Chris, how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:46):
I'm here.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
What's your what's your comment?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Say? You know?
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Uh my My comment is, first of all, thank you
Sheriff Dames. I appreciate it. And Joseph arroy Ball in
El Paso and Lucero in Pueblo County, and our sheriff
down here in Fremont County. I don't think people realize
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that there is a huge difference between police and sheriff.
You guys are elected officials. You guys stand up for
our rights, which I totally appreciate. What I wanted to
talk about was when the left, who's in charge of
the state and elsewhere in the country, when they want
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to do something, they know that it's going to be
put in front of law, law fair, and that's going
to cost money. So my question for you here in
the state of Colorado, when our lawmakers that are in charge,
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which is obviously blue, go ahead and put forward these
laws and they know that they're going to be contested,
where does that money come from?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
That's a great question.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Abusing our hour, you know, exescause they know, I mean,
my god, as a citizen. There are things that I
wish that I could contest, but I know that once
it goes on appeal, you have to get an appellate attorney.
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It's in the power. It's a whole different set of
circumstances and in just even a general small sense. I
was in that operation and my attorney told me, you're
going to spend ten thousand dollars minimum getting an appellet
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attorney and blah blah blah, or Chris, go ahead, and.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, let me let me answer your question, because I
want to want to ask you, well, let me let
me answer your question. The quick answer is, uh, you know,
that's why you need organizations like you know, the NRA
or the CSSA, because what they'll basically do is pull
funds together from a bunch of like minded individuals who say, hey,
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this thing isn't right. Because any one person who tries
to fight this on their own, they're going to run
into a financial barrier. And I don't care how much
money you got. I mean, unless you're you know, poll
this rich, and obviously he's on the wrong side of
the equation. You really can't fight this as an individual.
So what you need is a bunch of interested parties
rowing in the same direction. And that's where organizations like
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the NRA, Rocky Mountain Gun Owners any of these that
push back and say we're going to we're going to
sue the state on behalf of a group of plaintiffs.
But here's the problem is they just keep rolling these
bills out so quickly that you know they're one right
after the other. So you end up in this lawfare
state where if you can't stop one and then they
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initiate the next one, you know, you're just you're in
this avalanche of bills. And really what it takes is
being able to stop that one like what happened down
in New Mexico, and then getting some wind in the
sales of the opposing political side, because once you put
some egg on their face, once one of these lawsuits
lands and you say, all you morons that passed this
bill and said it was constitutional, well guess what. And
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maybe now here's an opportunity for some people from the
other side of the aisle to get a little bit
of to get a little bit of wind in their
sales and have a reason to fight back and push
these people out of office. I know that sounds like,
you know, it's a pie in the sky. It never happens,
but it does. It just takes time. And I think
Colorado's gone so far on that swing to the left
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that they may have reached their maximum potential. And maybe
this is the time, Maybe this is the bill, and
maybe we have the right group of people that will
be running for office can capitalize on it. And Chris,
we have a bunch of texts to get to. I
appreciate the phone call. I don't want to cut you off,
but I got to get to these. Thank you for
staying on hold so long, and thank you for calling in.
I do appreciate you. I do appreciate you being on
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the line. I want to make sure we get to
a few these last few texts before we end the show.
These are great. This one says the Democrats know that
these gun laws will not do anything to deter crime.
They get the same data as we do. It's all
about control and putting their heavy hands all over us.
Even Tom Sullivan knows this, and it seems he wants
to help ensure more of us are unable to protect
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ourselves and our families. And you know I won't attack
Tom Sullivan. His situation is horrible. He lost his son
in the Aurora Theater shooting, but his reaction is so
different than I think mine is as a person who
survived a school shooting incident, and I just don't understand
his logic, if there is such thing. Here's another one.
I'm sure you've already covered this, but can you do
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a quick recap on what happens to a conciled carry
holder that has their CCW for several years? What happens
when it's time to renew. That has nothing to do
with Senate Bill three, but there is new regulations where
now you have to take a refresher class of at
least four hours before you can come in and renew
your permit. You have to take it from a verified instructor,
and each sheriff in every county should have a list
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of those verified instructors that you can go to. A
couple quick others. Let's see here, this is Chris from Evans.
Why don't you think this has aimed at me? Why
don't you think of running for higher office? I believe
you would be beneficial and tapping down some of this
idiotic liberalism we have in Colorado you're a great sheriff.
You're in Well County and we love you up here
and hate to lose you. You're not going to lose me.
(32:38):
I'm gonna stick around in politics for a little bit.
There'll be some news coming up in the future before
too long. So that's the end of the show. Thanks
for calling in. I didn't get to all the texts,
but we'll be here tomorrow and we'll rekindle this conversation.
You guys were great today. If you listen to the
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Doing some trial preps. So you got me for today
and tomorrow and then back in here on Friday. I
think Christy Burton Brown will be here on Thursday. We've
been talking about guns and gun laws in the state
of Colorado, and I asked you guys call in, text in.
You can still do that. E can text five seven,
seven three nine, start your text out with Dan or
call in at three oh three seven one three eight
two five five. And like normal, we have the best
(00:37):
listeners out there. You guys are loading up the phone
lines and I want to get right to them. We've
got Joe in Monument wants to make some comments on
guns and guns gun laws. Joe, thanks for holding for us,
and what do you got to say?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Well, you know one thing you missed.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
There's a catch twenty two built into this law, you bet,
especially for somebody who's new and doesn't own one. Okay,
So I come to use the sheriff, I get permission
to go.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Take my class. Right, the new class.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Requires not only is it spread out over two days,
but it includes gun shooting training. Right, So how do
I do the semi automatic weapon to do my training?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So that I have said that one hundred times over,
I don't know. So again, Colorado Parks and while you
brought out something that we challenged during this whole process,
how is someone going to take a gun safety class
if they're not allowed to buy the gun before they
go to the class. So I don't believe that component
is going to actually be in existence in the class.
(01:41):
So CPW, Colorado Parks and Wildlife is going to have
some rulemaking authority that we'll be given and I think
that's going to be one of those things where they go, well, crap,
we kind of missed that.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Well, the other thing that they put in jeopardy. So
many people have no idea what the Robertson Act is.
But there's an enormous a lot of money the hunters,
sports shooters, anyone that's done anything fire and related with
this Pittman Robertson, tex puts into the state Parks and
rec Yeah, if any of that money is used for
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this program, they lose all of it.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
We're talking thirty four million dollars in funding loss.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yes, So the reason that this all went to Colorado
Parks and Wildlife is because they're an enterprise fund. So
the money is that Colorado Parks and Wildlife uses to
run their organization is based off of fees that they
charge to people who use their services, hunters, paying for
a hunting license, all those kind of things. So the
only way that this bill could get through because nobody
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else wanted it is as Daniel spoke about earlier, nobody
wanted to house this thing. So CPW the only way
they can make it work is they can charge a
fee for all this crap they're putting you through, and
then they can hire the staff and everything to quote
unquote manage this process. But I got to tell you,
I don't think you know. August first of twenty twenty six.
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To me, if they get this thing put together and
make it somewhat serviceable by then, I will be shocked.
I will I will be absolutely amazed.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
That'll the next lawsuit after CSSA is going to be
somebody challenging that they fund the money somewhere and did
not keep the Pittman Robertson money out of this, because
they lose the entire if they use a penny. I know, yeah,
they lose thirty four million in funding.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So, Joe, tell me this, how do they set up
this this database system where people are going to, you know,
go back and forth and report that they've taken a class,
report that they've had a background. The sheriff's going to
allegedly enter this information saying yeah, this person's good. How
do they even set that up if they can't charge
the feew? So I think to your point, it's yeah,
there's a question about where's the funding coming from. Where's
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the seed money coming from?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Here's here's Governor Polus going all this Republican one big
wonderful bill dug us a huge hole because of all
its unfunded mandates. Yeah, well, guess what you just did,
Governor pull Us, You and your luck. He's just dropped
a huge unfunded mandate on the sheriffs. Yep, on parts
and wildlife.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yep. Yeah, it's a mess. Joe, you hit all the
great comments. It's obvious that you've read the bill and
it's a it's a terrible read because it does it's
not congruent, it doesn't make sense. You have to take
the thing apart and try to figure out what all
these steps mean mean. But it's obvious that you've read it,
and I encourage everyone out there that's listening take the
time go back and read send it Bill twenty five
(04:36):
Dash three and just look at how bad this thing
is put together. Joe, you hit some great comments, and
thank you for calling in. We appreciate you being a
loyal listener.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
You bet, Thank you, sir, Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
We'll go next to James and Golden. James, you've got
some questions on gun laws. Can we what can we
answer for you? Sir?
Speaker 5 (04:55):
So law enforcement either skater, federal or county matter or
retired law enforcement? Yeah, are they gonna have to go
through a whole another series of training or be able
to buy a private semi automatic weapon?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
The quick answer is yeah, you're still gonna have to
go through all these steps. Now, there are some there
are some I guess loopholes that are built into the
bill that say, hey, if you're active law enforcement and
you can prove that you've done a couple of these steps,
then you might not have to go take the four
hour class or the eight hour class. But you're still
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going to have to You're still gonna have to go
apply for well, you're gonna have to go pay for
a background investigation. You're still gonna have to take it
to the sheriff. You just might not have to go
take the class in the same way that everything is required.
But again, there's time bars for when that stuff plays
into effects. So if you've been retired for twenty years,
you know, I'm shooting from the hip here. I don't
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have the bill in front of me. You're probably going
to go through the whole process. I can tell you.
As a person who's about to leave law enforcement, and
just over a year, one year, four months, and I
think two days, I'm expecting that if this thing stays
in place, I'm going to have to go through all
the same steps as anyone else. And that's why I'm
encouraging people. If there's a gun that's been on your
list that you want to buy, go buy it now,
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because none of this stuff is in effect until August
first of twenty twenty six. All right, Thank you, thank you, James,
thanks for listening. We have another caller on the line.
We have Dick from Parker. He's got questions on guns. Dick,
what can we help you with?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
You?
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Just wondering once once this bill gets pass.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Can someone go with you?
Speaker 6 (06:33):
Go to the this year up, say I want to
buy a gun, but I'm not sure when I'm going
to buy it, go through all the rigamarole and take
the test and get approved, and then just sit on it. Yeah,
so you're maybe a year later say oh, I decided
I want to buy this gun, and they everything to
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be taken care of.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah. So actually you can the permit that you'll be
issued from the sheriff to go take the class. It's
actually a five year permit, just like a concealed handgun permit.
They're good for five years. So once you take it
and you go, you say, hey, I want to go
buy a firearm. Well you can buy as many as
you want. Well, again, this is one of those places
where the law really didn't wasn't clear, So you can
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go buy as many firearms as you want during that
five year period. My assumption is as long as you
don't go out and do something that would get you
in trouble, like if you get a restraining order against
you from someone that's that's going to prevent you from
buying a firearm in the state. But you're still going
to have a permit that says you can. So that's
going to put it on the gun store owner to say, well,
wait a minute, you've got this permit to say that
you can buy a firearm. But now we've done this
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three day you know this this insta check and three
day waiting period, and it's come back and said you
can't own a gun. So there's going to be some
situations like that. But yeah, the permit is good for
five years, Dick, Okay.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
Just good for five years, just like my concealed carry
I have to redo it in eight.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Right, So and unfortunately, you know, like I said, the
only benefit that a concealed handgun permit's going to give
you as it pertains to this law is you might
want to try to line them up so that you're
renewing them if you will at the same time. But
hopefully this thing gets overturned and it's just water into
the bridge and we don't have to worry about it.
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That's the best case scenario.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Okay, thanks for very much.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
You bet, thanks for calling you. I know we'll get
to one more caller before we go to break. We'll
make this some quick I'm not exactly sure where the
caller's from. I think Kelly's processing, but actually we'll just
go to break. When we come back, we'll get with
Laura Carno. We'll bring her on with Faster Colorado. We'll
break down some more of this stuff, and we'll try
to get to this caller as well, because I want
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to make sure we're answering all your questions. You're stick
sticking with us, You're sending in a lot of good information,
and I want to honor all that and make sure
that we keep you engaged. But right now you're listening
to the Dan Cafley Show here with Well Kenny Sheriff
Steve Reams as your guest host. We'll go to break
and we'll be back in just a few short seconds.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
The Dan capless Show here with Well Keunny Sheriff Steve
Reims is the guest host again. For you know, another great,
fun filled episode where we're talking about such great things
in Colorado, like unconstitutional gun laws and the like. But
I say all that because you know, you got to
stay in the fight. And you guys have been great
as listeners. The text are just flowing in, and we've
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had the phone lines loaded up quite a few times.
We've got a caller waiting. It's Chris over in Fremont.
But Chris, we're gonna ask you to keep holding or
you can hang up and call back in a little bit,
because I want to get to our next guest, which
is Laura Carner. She's the director executive director of Faster
Colorado and also a person I consider a good friend.
Laura and I have known each other for a while,
(09:51):
but I actually don't know how we met. So maybe
you can refresh my memory, Laura about exactly how we
came across each other. But Laura, thanks for being on
the show. And how you doing today.
Speaker 8 (10:01):
I'm doing very well.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
How are you sharing? Well?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I'm good considering we have this topic to talk about.
I don't like the.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
Topic, yeah, and I hate that. I love being on
air with you, but I hate why we're on air.
Every time we're talking together.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, it seems like, you know, there's another school shooting
and I hate to even say it, that way out
on Minnesota and Minneapolis very tragic incident, a shooter obviously
a distressed individual that was having some mental health issues.
And you know, it always comes back to is this
a gun issue or is this a person issue? And
I know that I know where you stand on this,
but in teaching and running Faster Colorado kind of what's
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your philosophy and what is it that your organization kind
of pushes forward so the schools and entities like that
can protect themselves.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
Yeah, you know, we want to make sure that no
additional children die or are shot or injured or anything
in school shootings, that they are not sitting ducks in
a place where people aren't allowed to protect them. You
can go to the department store across the street from
the school and there are armed security guards in the
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Lauingeride department And you just look at the different geographies
and you say, why is it okay for somebody to
protect some value over there, But when we come to
our most valuable assets, our children, we're not allowed to
protect them there, and not just not allowed to protect them,
we advertise that we don't protect them. So what Faster
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Colorado does is we advocate for the policy of armed
school staff, which is legal in Colorado and we provide
them world class training so that if God forbid, something
happens on their campus and they need to stop an
active killer, that there's the best chance that they can
save lives in their school.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Right, absolutely, And I've worked with your organization in the past.
I don't advertise which school districts around the state are
arming their teachers, but it's a safe assumption that in
Weld County we're going to be pretty We're going to
be pretty supportive of the efforts that your organization pushes
forward and so many of the school districts. So you know,
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you want to be a school shooter, you're not necessarily
going to find an easy target in many places in
Weld County. But that's also not just in Weld County.
That's in many places around the state. Is that correct?
Speaker 8 (12:31):
Yeah, that's absolutely correct. And we're in our ninth training
year and we have trained I think by the end
of this training year, which we'll be training through November,
I think will be over probably five hundred people in
maybe forty four or so school districts in Colorado. And
you know what you speak to about school shooters shouldn't
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come to Weld County, You're really speaking to that determin
effect and where schools are armed, it gets out and
you know, as we're seeing school shooters are making tactical
decisions on not going to schools where they think there
might be armed staff.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, even in this most recent one in Minnesota, that shooter,
you know, the aftermath, some of the investigation has shown
that you know, he she was familiar with that with
that particular school, having attended there in the past, and
kind of knew, hey, this is probably my best opportunity little,
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you know, a little unplanned on how to get into
the school. So there was shooting through the windows. But
regardless knew the shooter knew that was going to be
a soft target. Our goal and my goal in law enforcement.
You know, we in Weld County were pretty fortunate that
we put school resource officers in all our schools in
unincorporated Wild County, and we work with if it's a
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school district that wants to arm their teachers, wants to
arm their staff, we're happy to work with them because
we figure, hey, the more people that are looking out
for kids, the better. And I think that same philosophies
have been adopted in many places around the state.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
Yeah, you're exactly right, and we've really applaud what you
have done in Wild County making sure that there is
a school resource officer everywhere. And that's tough in rural county,
sure it is, because you've got so much ground to cover,
but yet we're finding the same thing across the state
is where there are school resource officers and additional armed staff,
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those SROs are so happy to have additional backup because
you know, these campuses are big and a bad guy.
If they want to shoot up a school and you
take as much innocent life with them as possible, they're
not going to do it right in front of the SRO.
That's not where they're starting. So to have them not
knowing who else could possibly be armed as a huge
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deterrent and keeps the schools safer.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Well and shifting gears just a little bit. I'm sure
you were listening earlier, but we had Daniel Finnlissen from
CSO say on, I believe you were down at a
press conference that was held in Colorado Springs today kind
of take an aim at the state of Colorado for
the passage of Senate Bill three. I know you have
an investment in that particular bill because it does impact
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how school staff can arm, it can be armed, and
how they can continue to be a part of your program.
Speaker 8 (15:23):
Right And as you and Daniel were talking about the
hoops on fire that people have to jump through just
to purchase a firearm, much less carry it, think about
how much more difficult that is for people in rural areas.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
And we have that's a great point.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
So many schools because of the distance that maybe huge counties,
If you're in a rural area, you're on your own.
The sheriff wants to be there, but might not be
able to be there for thirty or forty five minutes.
So if these folks need to again these hoops on fire,
and I don't think that's that's you know, exaggerating.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Anything, It's pretty accurate.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
They have to they all these towns, all these little towns,
don't have all the resources that they have in the
larger areas, like going into these places to get your
certifications and your training and your testing and all that
kind of stuff. They might have to drive quite a
way to get to a Sheriff's.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Absolutely, Laura, stick with us if we're going to cut
to break real quick. But when we come back, we'll
deconstruct that some more, because you hit a great point
that I think a lot of people that live in
urban areas just don't understand. So stick with us. Through
the break, we have Laura Carno on the line with
Faster Colorado. You're listening to the Dan Caplas Show with
well Kenny Sheriff Steve Raams as your guest host.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Rams is your guest host. And when we went to break,
we had Laura Carno with us Ale from Faster Colorado.
She's the executive director and she was gracious enough to
stay on with us so that we can continue this
discussion about, you know, how teachers can protect themselves and
their students in Colorado, but also how Senate Bill three,
this very radical gun bill that was recently passed, is
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impacting that particular effort. And Laura, when we went to break,
you were talking a little bit about how these school
districts and rural areas are actually impacted a little bit
more by this bill because it's not necessarily easy for
someone who lives out in a four thousand square mile
county like Welld County to just run to the gun
store because that may be a two hour drive one way.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
Yeah, yeah, you're exactly right. And as Daniel was saying
in the last hour that the purpose of Senate Bill
Free was to make things as difficult as possible, I
think it's just you know, exponentially different, more difficult for
rural folks for that exact reason. They you know, unless
they're in the county seat.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
They might be quite a distance from.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
A sheriff's office. Even so every step of that that
extremely long process is going to take them even longer.
So it's going to be more difficult. They're going to
have to take take time off work. A lot of
school staff and rural areas have have jobs on the weekends,
jobs in the summer, stuff like that, so it's it's
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tough on it's tough for them.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, you know, there's this thought process that school teachers
just you know, they make tons of money, they get
the summers off, and you know, if they want to
carry a gun in the school, this is just one
more way that they can make money. And and that
couldn't be farther from the truth. Most of the teachers
that are that are agreeing to to carry firearms. Like
in the school district I was a school board member
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for we used to do these things called dollar contracts.
So if you wanted to be a coach, if you
wanted to help out in an additional way, oftentimes you
would sign basically a dollar contract, so you'd have workmen's
comp coverage. But essentially everything that you're doing, you're doing
for free. And I know that a lot of these
teachers that are participating in the faster program and are
helping to uh protect their schools are doing so under
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the same you know kind of idea of one of
those dollar contracts. Nobody's getting rich off of this.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
Yeah, those are very common, and there are some school
districts that you know, pay for maybe a arranged membership,
but that's really in service of you've got to you've
got to be practicing right on a very regular basis,
and some practice AMMO and stuff like that. But yeah,
you're exactly right, nobody is getting rich. But it basically,
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you know, people that are volunteering for this, they are
already most of them skilled in firearms, so you know,
we're not getting anybody's as well. I don't know a
dang thing about firearms, so I'll be an armed staff member.
That's not happening. But what if they're not allowed to carry,
you know, absence of policy like this, they're sitting ducks
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with this skill set to be able to protect lives,
but not with the tools. So sore they're delighted to
be able to volunteer to be a member of the
armed security team.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, I think the program, you know, it's such a
basic idea. It just makes so much sense. But when
you kind of when you kind of package it the
way that your organization has and said, Okay, you know,
we know that our process makes sense. We know that
if we teach, if we teach these folks how to
do it the right way, it's just it's exponentially better
(20:31):
than doing nothing or putting up you know, gun free zone.
Have you seen any have you seen any fallout from
one of these programs? Have you had any bad experiences?
I mean, yeah, I know you don't like to advertise
the negative, but has there been a situation where this
just hasn't worked out real.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
Well, not that we have any inkling of. On the contrary,
we've heard from some schools about situations where the fact
that they were known to have armed staff. Was absolutely
a deterrent documented. You know, it's not that somebody came in,
(21:09):
you know, guns of blaze and they were stopped, but
it was deterred. And I think that is so much
better to Nobody wants to do this. Nobody wants to
to you know, have to use their firearm in defense
of folks at school. Nobody wants that to happen. So
the deterrent effect is such a valuable piece of that.
(21:31):
And you know, what we've seen in research is that
armed schools with kinciel Carey armed stuff have never had
a shooting.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Well and let's you know, knock on wood when we
say that it continues that way, because this is a
growing trend. It's not just here in Colorado, it's a
it's a growing trend across the country. And you know,
you sent me an article earlier. Even the President of
the United States, which I got to tell you, I
love Donald Trump. I think he's been a great president,
but he hasn't always been the staunch Second Amendment advocate
(22:02):
that you know, I would like for him to be.
He's generally pretty good on it, but not necessarily as
to the right as I would prefer. Even he is
now saying, well, you sent me the article, you tell us.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
Yeah, And he said it during the right after the
Parkland shooting as well during his first term, that we
should have armed teachers. And at the time during Parkland
he said we should give armed teachers bonuses. And you know,
I was trying to connect with the Department of Education saying, no,
that's not a thing for the reasons you.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And I just dis Yeah, you wanted to be a
righteous reason that they're doing this.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Yeah, precisely, and yeah. And then there was a press
conference today and one of the reporters asked about the
shooting in Minneapolis, and he said, you know, I think
if we had just a small percentage of armed teachers,
and I'm sure he believed. He means armed staff could
be the janitor or the purcipal too. You know, I
think these things would stop. And he is one hundred
(23:01):
percent right. All we need is the law to get
out of the way so that that these things are easier.
You know, I still support very rigorous training, obviously, and
faster or our instructors are all activity law enforcement instructors,
so that when your guys arrive the armed staffers are
(23:22):
using the same tactics as your guys, So it's very
important you know that we have that kind of a
quality of instruction.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, we're speaking the same language. When when we get
on the same scene and we're we're we're walking the
same beat, so to speak. You know, this is a
topic that's going to continue to be an issue until
those on the left finally understand that you can't remove
guns from the world. And so at some point you're
going to have to recognize that criminals are going to
(23:52):
be criminals and we need to be able to fight back.
You know, your instruction that goes out to all these teachers,
how how well received is it. I know that sometimes
you have teachers that walk in with a little bit
of trepidation or staff members that walk in with a
little bit of trepidation. When this class is over, what
kind of change do you see in those folks.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
Yeah, it's a really fun part of it. We have
less trepidation than you would think coming in because they've
been so well vetted by their schools before they get
to us. But we do occasionally have folks that it
starts to hit them when we do our first mind
that some of are with them. This might be somebody I.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Know, Yeah, this might be a student, yes, and.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
Yeah, the difference between not just you know, day one
in the final day when they pass the qualification, the
post qualification.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
But you know, we're.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Seeing people now that has been with us for all
nine of our training years, that's all. And to see
the change in some of these these staff members. So
you know, one was a young teacher when we first
met him in twenty seventeen in our first class, and
he just became a principal of a neighboring district. And
to see him, you know, moving through a building like
(25:05):
a SWAT member is really really rewarding for us because
we've had just a huge impact on this population of
important people.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, Laura, thank you for being on the show with us.
And if people want to learn more about your organization
or your program, where can they find that.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
Yeah, they can go to Faster Colorado dot org. And
I always encourage people to look at the our team
page and look at the biographies of our instructors. Are
very impressive people, and we are have a one C three.
If anyone wanted to help with our mission, I'm happy
to have any of those conversations.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Awesome again, thanks for being on the show, Laura. I'm
sure we'll talk again soon, and maybe it won't be
after a school shooting. Maybe we'll have something to celebrate, like,
you know, the winning of a lawsuit.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
So that would be amazing, That would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, great having you on. We're going to cut the break.
When we come back, we'll clear up these phone lines.
You guys have been you've been very patient. I want
to make sure we get to you, and we'll also
get to the rest of your text. But again text
Dan five seven seven three nine started out with Dan,
or you can load up a call here at three
O three seven one three eight two five five and
we'll get to you right after this break. You're listening
to the Dan Capless Show here with Well Kenny Sheriff,
(26:14):
Steve Dreams.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
And now back to the Dan Tapless Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
We are in the last segment of our show. This
thing just Flies by. Yeah, that's an awesome song. That
being said, we've had Chris holding on the line from
Freemont County for quite a while, so Chris, I want
to make sure we get to your call. What a
question do you have for sir Chris, please please tell
me you're still there.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Hello. Are you there?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah, Chris, how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:46):
I'm here.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
What's your what's your comment?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Say? You know?
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Uh my My comment is, first of all, thank you
Sheriff Dames. I appreciate it. And Joseph arroy Ball in
El Paso and Lucero in Pueblo County, and our sheriff
down here in Fremont County. I don't think people realize
(27:16):
that there is a huge difference between police and sheriff.
You guys are elected officials. You guys stand up for
our rights, which I totally appreciate. What I wanted to
talk about was when the left, who's in charge of
the state and elsewhere in the country, when they want
(27:41):
to do something, they know that it's going to be
put in front of law, law fair, and that's going
to cost money. So my question for you here in
the state of Colorado, when our lawmakers that are in charge,
(28:03):
which is obviously blue, go ahead and put forward these
laws and they know that they're going to be contested,
where does that money come from?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
That's a great question.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Abusing our hour, you know, exescause they know, I mean,
my god, as a citizen. There are things that I
wish that I could contest, but I know that once
it goes on appeal, you have to get an appellate attorney.
(28:39):
It's in the power. It's a whole different set of
circumstances and in just even a general small sense. I
was in that operation and my attorney told me, you're
going to spend ten thousand dollars minimum getting an appellet
(28:59):
attorney and blah blah blah, or Chris, go ahead, and.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, let me let me answer your question, because I
want to want to ask you, well, let me let
me answer your question. The quick answer is, uh, you know,
that's why you need organizations like you know, the NRA
or the CSSA, because what they'll basically do is pull
funds together from a bunch of like minded individuals who say, hey,
(29:23):
this thing isn't right. Because any one person who tries
to fight this on their own, they're going to run
into a financial barrier. And I don't care how much
money you got. I mean, unless you're you know, poll
this rich, and obviously he's on the wrong side of
the equation. You really can't fight this as an individual.
So what you need is a bunch of interested parties
rowing in the same direction. And that's where organizations like
(29:45):
the NRA, Rocky Mountain Gun Owners any of these that
push back and say we're going to we're going to
sue the state on behalf of a group of plaintiffs.
But here's the problem is they just keep rolling these
bills out so quickly that you know they're one right
after the other. So you end up in this lawfare
state where if you can't stop one and then they
(30:06):
initiate the next one, you know, you're just you're in
this avalanche of bills. And really what it takes is
being able to stop that one like what happened down
in New Mexico, and then getting some wind in the
sales of the opposing political side, because once you put
some egg on their face, once one of these lawsuits
lands and you say, all you morons that passed this
bill and said it was constitutional, well guess what. And
(30:29):
maybe now here's an opportunity for some people from the
other side of the aisle to get a little bit
of to get a little bit of wind in their
sales and have a reason to fight back and push
these people out of office. I know that sounds like,
you know, it's a pie in the sky. It never happens,
but it does. It just takes time. And I think
Colorado's gone so far on that swing to the left
(30:50):
that they may have reached their maximum potential. And maybe
this is the time, Maybe this is the bill, and
maybe we have the right group of people that will
be running for office can capitalize on it. And Chris,
we have a bunch of texts to get to. I
appreciate the phone call. I don't want to cut you off,
but I got to get to these. Thank you for
staying on hold so long, and thank you for calling in.
I do appreciate you. I do appreciate you being on
(31:11):
the line. I want to make sure we get to
a few these last few texts before we end the show.
These are great. This one says the Democrats know that
these gun laws will not do anything to deter crime.
They get the same data as we do. It's all
about control and putting their heavy hands all over us.
Even Tom Sullivan knows this, and it seems he wants
to help ensure more of us are unable to protect
(31:33):
ourselves and our families. And you know I won't attack
Tom Sullivan. His situation is horrible. He lost his son
in the Aurora Theater shooting, but his reaction is so
different than I think mine is as a person who
survived a school shooting incident, and I just don't understand
his logic, if there is such thing. Here's another one.
I'm sure you've already covered this, but can you do
(31:54):
a quick recap on what happens to a conciled carry
holder that has their CCW for several years? What happens
when it's time to renew. That has nothing to do
with Senate Bill three, but there is new regulations where
now you have to take a refresher class of at
least four hours before you can come in and renew
your permit. You have to take it from a verified instructor,
and each sheriff in every county should have a list
(32:16):
of those verified instructors that you can go to. A
couple quick others. Let's see here, this is Chris from Evans.
Why don't you think this has aimed at me? Why
don't you think of running for higher office? I believe
you would be beneficial and tapping down some of this
idiotic liberalism we have in Colorado you're a great sheriff.
You're in Well County and we love you up here
and hate to lose you. You're not going to lose me.
(32:38):
I'm gonna stick around in politics for a little bit.
There'll be some news coming up in the future before
too long. So that's the end of the show. Thanks
for calling in. I didn't get to all the texts,
but we'll be here tomorrow and we'll rekindle this conversation.
You guys were great today. If you listen to the
Dan Kapas Show with Well County Sheriff Steve Reims filling
in here on six point thirty Ko
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