Lindsay Datko, JeffCo Kids First; George Brauchler 23rd District Attorney on shoplifting enforcement
January 8, 2026 • 35 mins
JeffCo Kids First founder Lindsay Datko joins Dan with yet another disturbing story of a sexual abuser somehow hired by JeffCo Public Schools at Arvada High School, despite Patricio Illanes being fired by St. Vrain school for filming student sex acts.
George Brauchler, 23rd District Attorney updates efforts in Douglas County for store owners to report shoplifting, or face potential fines.
George Brauchler, 23rd District Attorney updates efforts in Douglas County for store owners to report shoplifting, or face potential fines.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's another day proving my prediction from twenty twenty five
that twenty twenty six is going to be an awesome year,
and with each passing day, it's shaping up to be
maybe the greatest year of any of our lives, at
least in terms of public and world developments. So more
good news today. Three oh three seven one three eight
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two five five the number text d A N five
seven seven three nine And even this insanity up in
Minnesota fits into the good news category in one respect. Now,
obviously it's a tragedy, right, It's tragic. This is a
a mother, that there are children out there tonight without
their mother and their father. I understand from news reports
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it died years ago, so that's a real track. I
believe it's a tragedy of this woman's making, But it's
still a tragedy. When I make the point that even
the insanity up there is more indication that this is
going to be a great landscape changing year. It's the
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insanity from the Democrat politicians that is another indicator to
me that when we get to the very end of
twenty twenty six, there have been so many shape shifting
events that we're going to have a much different looking
world in a fantastic way. Because what you're getting right
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now from this venomous madness up there, from Tim Walls
and the maryor Jacob Fry up there, the mayor of Minneapolis,
and then by extension, you have prominent Democrats around the
country joining into this lie, this really slanderous lie that
the Ice agent committed murder, etc. We've got Tim Walls,
(01:58):
a governor up there now comparing this to the Battle
of Gettysburg, and how just as Minnesota held the line
during the Battle of Gettysburg and saved the Union, Minnesota
needs to hold the line now. So you get the
governor up there declaring this implicitly to be a war
against the federal government. That kind of craziness is only
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going to help defeat the Democrats. It's only going to
help open eyes. And I know, if you have been
a republic in your whole life, then maybe this point
doesn't resonate as well. But having been a Democrat myself
and knowing so many Democrats, including so many in my
extended out of state family, I can tell you that
that there are many many Democrats right now who do
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not understand how whack their party has become. So when
you get people like Walls and the governor up there
and all these other Democrats around the country trying to
declare this ice agent explicitly or implicitly declare him a murderer,
trying to turn the woman who drove it, the ice agent,
into a hero, it helps open eyes to the modern
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Democratic Party has become so so so many positive indicators,
you know, they're very little conversation. I don't know if
you've even heard any at this point, but very little
conversation out there other than on this show and a
few others about what's happening in Iran. And there are
no guarantees, there are no guarantees at this point that
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that evil regime is going to fall, but there's a
real chance that it will. And if it does, it's
going to make such a better world for America. It's
going to make a much safer America, a more prosperous America,
a safer and more prosperous world. And it's going to
be part of momentum, you know, And you don't want
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to compare it to anything. Sports are serious, but this
is real life stuff, right, But we all know it's
just the way life works is. You know, you get
momentum going in a positive direction, you get a domino effect.
You get a domino effect hopefully when our military and
Trump take Evil Maduro out of Venezuela, a guy who
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had hijacks, stolen a country. He didn't win that election,
he'd stolen a country. He's a drug lord, is stolen
a country and was doing all sorts of bad things
to America. And then domino effect of that is that
Cuba may well fall. And what a blessing that would be,
right if that again, evil dictatorship in Cuba was to fall.
(04:30):
Can you imagine how quickly I think there are what
less than ten million people on that island, given its location,
its natural beauty, everything else. If you get the communist
dictators out of there, how long would it take for
Cuba to be thriving and prospering and those people who
have been essentially prisoners, like the people of Iran have
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been for years. Would that be like forty eight hours
before that island is thriving. Maybe it takes a year
or two, but again, so many dominoes that may fall
just the right way in twenty twenty six, so we'll
keep an eye on all of that. Glad you're here.
Some more great guests coming up today. It's been a
great week for guests and we'll keep that mold going.
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Lindsay Datkow, who really has been one of the tremendous
grassroots leaders we've seen in a long time around here.
You know, she's going to join us to talk about
the latest you know, sexual madness out of the Jefferson
County School District and there's great import in that for
lots of different reasons. But she's done the hard work
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in the trenches to you know, catalog all that and
report on that for years and you can see the
overall impact.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
We'll also touch with Lindsey on the news that jeffco
at this point, I think just a headline that they're
going to be another forty nine million down because they're
leaking oil badly in terms of their student population, and
who could be surprised, right, And listen, I know there
are a lot of great teachers and administrators in that district,
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but overall the way they're lefty politics punished kids during COVID,
and you know the craziness of that Columbine story and
the unrepentant approach that many in the school district took
to that. So Lindsay will join us and we'll kick
that around at four to twenty George Brockler at four
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thirty six. We have a lot to talk about their
George's you know, the DA and the twenty third. But
cal Clark taking a shot at George today that I
think is very unfair. But it's an interesting conversation to
have about this public policy approach of the commissioners in
Douglas County, who at this point are making it a
legal requirement that store owners report shoplifting. And they're doing
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that obviously because they don't want a whole bunch of
shoplifters gravitating out to Douglas County saying, hey, we can
get away with it here, because as you know, you've
got some big box stores now and some others are
just saying, we're not even going to mess with it.
We're not going to report it to police. We're not
going to do anything. It's just better for us as
a company to let them come and take it. And
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I can understand any town, city, or county saying uh huh,
that's not the reputation we have, that's not the approach
we want. Our business is taken. But then you get
to that interesting question of you know, does a business
have a right to say, Hey, if you want to
rob us, you can rob us. We're not even going
to report it. So we'll talk with George Brockler about
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that and more at four point thirty six. But lots
of other ground I want to cover with you today.
This is another reason I'm so optimistic for the future.
There are some, you know, global reasons I am, and
a lot of them trace back to on the political front,
to Donald Trump and his boldness and things that he's doing.
And then, as we've talked about, there's this resurgence of faith,
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certainly a major resurgence of Christianity that I think, you know,
helps fuel all of this and ultimately is more important anyway. Right,
But on the political front, we saw it again today
and it won't get a lot of mainstream media coverage
because it makes Trump look good. But our FK Junior
and others coming out and they have flipped the food
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pyramid and they've redesigned it to emphasize proteins, to get
away from the grave concern about certain kind of saturated fats, etc.
And I'm going to play some of that sound for
you because I think you'll find it really interesting. I mean,
talk about a kitchen table issue, but all of the
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promise it holds for kids and for the rest of us,
just to get American food going in the right direction.
And I'm not a well traveled guy or anything like that,
but I've done a little bit of traveling, and I
don't know if you've had the same experience, but normally
when you go over to Europe, you feel better. And
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their food they just don't have nearly a much ulter
processed food. They have many more natural foods, et cetera,
and in a much different approach to diet often in
many places in Europe. And you know, one of the
things are of kids and you was talking about today
is you look at the hard data and the science
on that, and yes, you know, in Europe, you know,
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you get a lot of people who are a lot
healthier because they don't have all this ultra process stuff
that we have. And I'm a big believer that it's
screwing up kids in so many different ways to not
have a truly healthy diet. So this isn't about taking
control away from parents or mandating that people be fed
this or can't eat that. None of that garbage. There's
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none of that from the administration. It's the administration saying, whoa,
you know, here's what a healthy diet really looks like,
and here's what we need to be pushing. So I'll
play some of that sound as well. Three or three
seven one, three eight, two five five the number text
d an five seven seven three nine Lindsay deckcount next
on The Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show Podcast.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Jefferson County warrenar v outa high school teacher, was fired
after he was accused of inappropriate behavior with more than
a dozen students in a neighboring school district. Patricio Janis
was arrested by the Bulder County Sheriff's Office this week.
He's facing fifty charges of sexual exploitation of a child.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Last night, your reporter and voter spoke to a man
who says he was one of at least sixteen minors
targeted by Alianis as part of.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
An elaborate and just thank you, Ryan, thank you. Wanted
to get people a taste of that as we bring
Lindsay deck Coo back with us. Lindsay, welcome back to
the Dan Caplass Show. Hey, thanks Dan Well and for
those who are new to this show, maybe new to Colorado,
Lindsay really has been one of the most effective grassroots
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organizers we've seen in modern history in this state and
does thank goodness for that. So, Lindsay, what is the
latest stuff there in Jeff coach go schools? This this
sexual perversion, the state of the school system I read
where you know, all of a sudden there's another what
forty or fifty million in budget deficit because they're down
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a whole bunch of kids in the school system. What's
your take on all that?
Speaker 7 (11:16):
Yeah, So, as you know, we've been uncovering a lot
of sexual abuse, misconduct, grooming, and we don't just want
to cover the surface facts, which definitely have a shock
factor and they should, but we want to connect the
dots and I think the underlying facts of this newest
case that has come out will shock everyone and be
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incredibly important for change going forward.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
What are some of those facts?
Speaker 7 (11:44):
Yeah, So we actually started getting word on him back
in October of twenty twenty five. An employee reported that
she heard sirens and that he was escorted out of
the building. So we of course were suspicious and started
sending for open records requests and doing background checks, where
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we found that.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
He had multiple DUIs.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
Our Cora were able to get his application to jeff Co,
which gave us information we needed to piece the following together,
and so Saint Rain reportedly allowed him to resign after
there were some allegations of inappropriate grooming misconduct. We also
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found out again he had three DUI charges. He was
sentenced to two years probation and recommended for domestic violence treatment.
In twenty twenty three, he violated probation by failing his
urinary tests. He then in August fifth, twenty twenty four,
signed the jeff Co contract. All of that had already happened,
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many many red flags, not to mention the fact that
he left mid year, which should have been a red
flag for them. Weeks after he signed the Jeffco contract.
While teaching jef cost students, he wore an ankle monitor
for ninety days or order to wear this ankle monitor
while on work release and waiting out of custody for
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a half day house bed while teaching jeff coos students
high school English.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Can nobody notice the ankle jewelery?
Speaker 7 (13:26):
No one noticed, And I'll tell you our contacts were
able to find that information very easily.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Lindsay Dedco our guest. And my understanding is that this
former now jeff Co teachers suspected of photographing and filming
students along with producing and selling videos involving sex acts
and face similar allegations in twenty twenty three in the
same frame district. Is that you're understanding correct.
Speaker 7 (13:54):
And you know it's important to understand. There's this huge
issue going on with not reps recording these issues to
the Colorado Department of Education. And while that may have
been the case with Saint Vrain, Jeffco has no excuse.
I could go on many serious examples of failing to
report and then employees ending up in other places, but
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it wasn't until that twenty twenty five October incident when
he was arrested, arrested.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
And escorted out of their building.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
They reached out for a reference check to Saint Vrain.
Saint Brain said that was the first time they had
heard from Jeff.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
COO, so they failed a reference check which.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
Would have stopped this. Wow, he stopped him from teaching.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Jeff cowids.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, and in any sane state, right, You've got the
school where there are ben problems taking the initiative to
warn others, and then, as you say, you've got Jeff
go doing a whole lot more to investigate here. Has
anybody from jeff co offered any kind of meaningful explanation
as to why they didn't do a more thorough background check.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
Well, unfortunately, I did hear them discuss it at the
board meeting that they held last night, and the tone
was very much how frustrated they were that there's a
failure to report from other districts and we are going
to hold their feet to the fire. JEFFO has absolutely
no room to point fingers. They have egregious cases and
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I'm going to post a letter outlining all of this
to the superintendent on our website jeffco Kids First dot com.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Right, have they documented, Lindsay, Because if you don't know Lindsey,
one of the things that makes her so effective is
she'll do the hard work and she's very detail oriented.
They use coral open records laws and they dig in,
as Lindsay alluded to, you know, they're looking for patterns,
they're looking for policies, procedures, these these bigger picture failures
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that are going to affect more kids. And so at
this point, has Jeff go documented what their actual background
check investigation is, how much they do and routinely when
they hire a teacher.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Yeah, that's what we want to find out. And you
know there are cases that are in the news where
they missed an outstanding warrant and then that person kept
teaching and working in Jeff COO. We would like to
push Actually, we're going to make a huge call for
them to audit all references and background checks and to
read routinely performed background checks.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So, Lendsey, tell people how they can get a hold
of you, how they can follow your organization. I you
you have a lot of great resources online.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Yeah, you can follow us at jeffco Kids First on Facebook,
we have around ten thousand, nearly ten thousand followers on
that platform where all the action happens, or go to
our website www dot jefco, kids First dot com.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Well, you have won a lot of big victories. I
hope you stay after this and in the last few
seconds we have what's your overall take on the state
of the Jeffcot School system.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
My overall take is, as soon as we think maybe
we've made progress, we find out that there's still so
many gaps. And you know, we've addressed so much cultural
issues during the pandemic. We didn't foresee student safety as
our focus, and we see it as our call, and
we find this to be the most important work that
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we have done yet.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Well, I'm really glad you're on it because, as with
some other places, there appears to be so much commitment
to leftist ideology before the good of the children. You know,
you would think in any school operation, any any operation,
you know, the best interest of the child would come first.
But so often these days we're saying, no, it's leftist
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ideology worshiping at that altar that comes before the best
interest of the child. And you've been there to call
them on it and to report on it, and please
do keep that up.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
Absolutely, we will.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Thank you, Lindsey, you take care you two thinks, Dan.
That is Lindsay Dad Co doing great work out there
and they have rung up a lot of big victories,
including during COVID you know where Jeff Co just went
crazy in terms of punishing kids with these completely unnecessary
and contrary to science mask mandates, et cetera. When we
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come back, so much going on in the world this afternoon,
I want to run through with you, including at this
point Congress upholding the president's veto of the big Colorado
water project. Want to follow up on that again, Jared
Polish choosing to go to war with Donald Trump. At
what point is Polist going to cave? You're on the
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Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Republican leaders in law enforcement and Douglas County are pushing
ahead with their plan to fight crime by punishing some
crime victims, specifically stores that are victimized by shoplifters. County commissioners,
the sheriff, and the district attorney want to find those
businesses if they don't report shoplifters. Our Marshall Zelling are
asked them whether a small business in town is going
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to face the same punishment for being a crime victim
as a big box store.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
We'll take it up from there with the da George
Brockler kind enough to join us on the Dan Kaplis Show. George,
how you doing.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I'm doing well, sir, Thanks for having me. Where was
all this snowness during Christmas?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
We could? Oh, no, wouldn't that have been beautiful? Man?
If the mountain's ever been this dry this late.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
No, don't not that I can remember. Someone said they
were like fifty percent below typical snowpack. I'm worried about
what it means for the fall, so I'm what it
means for the spring.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
So now, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because we've had a
couple of pretty good years when it comes to fires.
But and want to see him salvage this season. But
holy cow, Yeah, George, we had talked about this a
while back, and you know, KUSA going after Douglas County
again on this. But please tell people kind of the
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current state of affairs and this really interesting issue of stores,
and as you explained down air before, it's normally you know,
these big box stores that just want to let shoplifters
get away with it, and Whyda County has a concern
with that.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, the county commissioners have gotten together and decided that.
And I don't know anyone else in the country that
has taken this approach. And their approach is to say, listen,
if you're one of these big box stores and your
answer to we don't call the police or investigate shoplifters
is because we have this national corporate policy, we're going
to give you every incentive to change that policy. And
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so they've created a potential ordinance and I don't even
think it's even past second reading yet, but an ordinance
that would say, hey, if you're a big box store
or any business for that matter, even small businesses, and
you don't report within a certain period of time, they're
going to be constants. Most consequences take the form of
a dollar fine, and I can't remember what amount they're
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on right now, but that's it. The listen. I'm not
a stick guy as much as a carrot guy on
working with victims and witnesses. Is this a policy that
could work?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It could, And I understand where the commissioners are coming
from from the standpoint of a DA. I don't ever
want to be in a position to have to prosecute
victims or witnesses or to punish them when I need
them to be willing participants in this process. So the
good news for me, and this is what gets me
to the Kyle Clark piece, which really kind of bothers me,
is I play zero role in this ordinance. It's not
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my ordinance. I don't make it, I don't pass it,
I don't go campaign for it, and once it gets
put in place, if it passes, I don't enforce it.
I don't go to court on it. Nothing. And yet
if you listen to that piece by Kyle Clark, he
makes it sound like and he put this in a
tweet today too that you sent me, and it was
the county commissioners and the DA are pushing forward with
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their plan. Well there is no their plan, and I'm
not pushing forward with anything. But I think it really
highlights again what makes Kyle Clark uniquely disingenuous. And you've
highlighted this a bunch of times too. Really smart guy,
This isn't an accident. This isn't why I didn't understand it.
If you'd even watch Marshall Zeliger's piece before he sent
the tweet, the one he linked he would see, I
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have nothing to do with this ordinance.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, and I appreciate you coming on because I wanted
to make sure people understood the truth of this, because
it's being represented in another way. And yeah, I mean,
the last thing in the world you ever want to
do is be in the position of having to prosecute
a victim. I understand why Douglas County, why the commissioners
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are looking to do everything they can to try to
avoid a perception that, oh, yeah, we can go out
to Douglas County and shoplift with no consequence. Right, that's
not good for the county. But yeah, very very very
misleading to say that you're behind this. So what about
the state of shoplifting though, George, I mean, is it
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on the rise now? Is it? Is it across the
metro where more and more of these criminals feel that
that can just get away with it. So why pay
when you can just walk in and walk out?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I think the two best sources of information on this
are the actual shops themselves and when we get cases
that come in. And I was going to do a
trial at the end of last year involving a theft
from a sunglasses hut down here at the at the
outlet stores in Castle Rock. It got continued.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But in the.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Process of saying, we talk with the loss prevention guy
and he tells us this goes on all the time.
He also tells us that, look, our corporate policies limit
us in what we can do in this, that and
the other from our standpoint. And this is interesting too.
Nine News had reached out after we did a retail
theft summit this week with all you know, Walmart and
Target and Walgreens and all the biggies, and they had said,
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you know, George talked kind of a tough game on
this phone call, this video call, and talked about, hey,
you send us any kind of a case and we're
going to investigate and if it's worthy of prosecuting, we will.
How many petty thefts have you guys prosecuted this year?
And I went back and had our guys look, and
they said, we prosecuted one hundred and eighty two petty thefts.
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Eighty one percent of them got jailed. The other nineteen
percent were the product of either legacy offers that were
given before we became an office or two judges going
against our recommendations at court. So my point of the
saying that is, oh yeah, I mean you think you're
going to get those numbers in Denver. My guess is
Denver's answer is zero percent of the people engaged in
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petty theft got any jail. But my point for us is,
because we are now telling these shop owners and we're
incentivizing them to report, and we're telling the cops and
they want to do this, go out and make these
arrests and these investigations our numbers. It wouldn't surprise me
if year over year between last year and now we
see an uptick. But that's on the road towards the
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big drop, the real drop. You if you just stop
investigating these things, the numbers will fall off the earth.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
But that won't be real crime prevention exactly. George Brockler,
our guests, Hey, let me shift gears for a second,
if you don't mind. I don't know if you've had
a chance to look closely at the video and other
publicly available info out of Minnesota, but do you have
a take on that shooting.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I've not had a chance to look at the video.
But listen, I've been the DA for a ton of
officers involved shootings from when I was the DA in
the eighteenth and even some from the twenty third. And
the bottom line is this. People talk about, well, couldn't
the officers have done this? Couldn't the officers have done that?
And while that might be part of the analysis, and
there's also like, well, her intent was clearly to get away,
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and I don't know that anyone's intent can be discerned
from just those milliseconds of time that those officers are
in harm's way. But at the end of the day,
an investigation is predicated really on did this officer reasonably
perceive a risk, how grave was that risk? And was
their response reasonable in response to that risk? And so
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all the Monday morning quarterbacking that talk. And by the way,
I should start with this, what a friggin tragedy. Thirty
seven year old woman. Regardless of what she did, her
life's over man, She's got friends, she's got family. This
is a tragedy. But to split along the lines of well,
what was her intent, what was her background? None of
it matters unless the officer knew it at the time
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he pulled the trigger. So all we can say is
where were you, what did you know, what did you hear,
what did you see, and what did you do? Those
things add up to whether or not this was a
justifiable shooting. Not the only possible outcome, but a justifiable shooting, right.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
And as you say, all against the backdrop of split second,
you know that this decision had to be made in
an instant and so yeah, and again I can only
work off the publicly available video and information. But as
I look at this, it's as you say, I mean,
it's a tragedy. She's thirty seven, she has children. The
questioning is is it a tragedy of her own making?
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Is it a tragedy where the officer acted reasonably under
the circumstances. And when I look at this one from
what we have to work with, to me, it's just
open and shut, clear cut that the officer acted reasonably
under the circumstances. As you say, could another officer, would
another officer have made a different decision, maybe, but that
doesn't matter if the officer acted reasonably under those circumstances.
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And what I see as an officer who's acting to
cover a fellow officer who's engaged with her at the window,
telling her to stop, and then she starts to drive
forward toward the officer who ended up firing the shot.
But I'm sure we can talk about that more down
the road as more information comes out. Here's the big
(27:59):
test for you, and I know you'll pass this one.
I want to play you some sound and tell me
if you can tell everyone what this is. Cut forty seven, please,
here we.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Go, first snap of the overtime.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
The Broncos have been in three overtime games this year.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
They won them all.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Got me at the thirty, it's Thomas at the fifty.
Stepper are going great at the thirty to the thirty,
Thomas at a tens.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
The first time all the.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Time, George Broncler, What was that play debo to Thomas'
first overtime game with the new rules? First play from
I think after the kick from scrimmage in the overtime.
It was one of the most amazing exciting games to
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be at I've ever been at m Electric.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Hard to believe it was on this date, this very day,
back in twenty twelve. And what a lot of people
forget is that game was slipping away. I mean, remember
it sounds like you were there. We were there also,
and in that game was slipping away and then all
of a sudden overtime that first play what looked like
it was going to be one of the worst Denver
(29:14):
losses ever because they were in command of the game
until late Tabo and Thomas save it. But my friend,
thank you for your time today and.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
An amazing play. I'm hoping for more of them in
the postseason. Thanks for having me on to clear this
up about our buddy Kyle.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Thank you, my friend, Catch you soon. That is George Bronckler,
the DA in the twenty third here on The Dan
Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
President Trump's mass deportation raids, named Operation Aurora for the
city in Colorado, have led to chaos and violent clashes
across the country. Today, a woman from Colorado was killed
by an ICE agent in Minneapolis. Whennes is this say,
thirty seven year old Renee Good was following traffic directions
by agents. The Trump administration says Good was a domestic
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terrorist who tried to hit a federal agent with their vehicle.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Please pause that, I mean, think about what we just
heard in the first thirty seconds of that KOSA report
and then ask yourself why why was the report shaped
that way? And I think it leads to a bigger point,
a bigger point about what Governor Wallace is doing up
(30:26):
there mayor fry Democrats across the country, and I'll get
to that in a second, But let me start with
this bizarre assumption at the start of that piece that
somehow it's the actions of ICE across the country and
the deployment of ICE by Trump that are the cause
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of chaos and violence. That's like saying that when Denver
decided to put a police force on the streets that
it caused chaos and violence. Think about that. That the
chaos and violence is because of those who break the
law and those who try to stop our law enforcement
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from enforcing the law, and those who then attack our
law enforcement. That's the cause of the chaos and violence,
not deploying law enforcement to enforce the law. But the
start of that KUSA story makes it the fault of
the Trump administration for deploying law enforcement to enforce the law.
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Think about that premise, and that brings you to the
larger point I've been making for quite a while. Which
is that what's really at work here, and that story
you just heard is just part of this. What's really
at work here is you've got Mayor Johnston in Denver.
You've got these prominent Democrats across the country who are
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trying to partially secede from the Union. That they're trying
to say that the federal government is not allowed to
enforce federal laws in these Democrat controlled cities and states.
The federal government's not allowed to enforce federal laws that
the Democrats don't like. That's what's really going on here.
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And so there's a much much larger stake in all
of this. And obviously the immigration issue is enormously large
because you do have you've had so many Americans who've
been raped, murdered, otherwise killed or victimized by a relatively
small percentage of those here illegally. Most people here illegally
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don't commit these other crimes. But tell that to the
people who've been raped or murdered or otherwise killed, that
tell that to their family members. No, it's a big,
big issue. And so that's an enormous issue in and
of itself. But then beyond that, this issue of whether
we're going to remain one nation, whether we're going to
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remain one nation governed by laws, governed by the constitution. Because,
make no mistake about it, the bigger play by the Democrats,
and this whole No King's Business and these No King's
rallies in marches are part of that. The bigger play
by the Democrats is to try to force the federal
government out through mob action, force the federal government out
(33:29):
of Democrat controlled areas so the federal government can enforce
federal law. It is a I think a very well
thought out, systematic play by the left because they listen,
they've got a lot of terrible ideas, and they've got
a horrific vision for the future of this nation. But
they're an awful lot of smart, well funded people on
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the left, and they have a plan, and they understand
that they are likely to lose the White House a
lot in the coming day gates. It's possible they may
not win it at all, and so they I think
are implementing this plan understanding that the White House may
be controlled by Republicans for most, if not all, of
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the next twenty to thirty years or beyond. So their
plan is to in the ways I described try to
prevent the federal government from enforcing federal law, and this
immigration law is the tip of the spear on that.
So that's what's really at stake here. And so whether
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you agree or disagree with President Trump on immigration and
immigration policy and whether he should just be deporting those
here illegally who are committing other crimes or deporting everybody
here illegally, at the end of the day, any good
Americans should be able to agree that the president has
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the right, the federal government has the right to enforce law,
and that Democrats who try to prevent that, like Mayor
Johnston talking about tens of thousands taking the streets to
prevent the federal government from enforcing federal law, talking about
using Denver police officers to physically stop their law enforcement
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brethren from enforcing federal law. That is a grave danger
to this country. But understand that's what's going on right now,
that's what the left's trying to do. You're on the
Dan Caplo Show.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's another day proving my prediction from twenty twenty five
that twenty twenty six is going to be an awesome year,
and with each passing day, it's shaping up to be
maybe the greatest year of any of our lives, at
least in terms of public and world developments. So more
good news today. Three oh three seven one three eight
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two five five the number text d A N five
seven seven three nine And even this insanity up in
Minnesota fits into the good news category in one respect. Now,
obviously it's a tragedy, right, It's tragic. This is a
a mother, that there are children out there tonight without
their mother and their father. I understand from news reports
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it died years ago, so that's a real track. I
believe it's a tragedy of this woman's making, But it's
still a tragedy. When I make the point that even
the insanity up there is more indication that this is
going to be a great landscape changing year. It's the
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insanity from the Democrat politicians that is another indicator to
me that when we get to the very end of
twenty twenty six, there have been so many shape shifting
events that we're going to have a much different looking
world in a fantastic way. Because what you're getting right
(01:38):
now from this venomous madness up there, from Tim Walls
and the maryor Jacob Fry up there, the mayor of Minneapolis,
and then by extension, you have prominent Democrats around the
country joining into this lie, this really slanderous lie that
the Ice agent committed murder, etc. We've got Tim Walls,
(01:58):
a governor up there now comparing this to the Battle
of Gettysburg, and how just as Minnesota held the line
during the Battle of Gettysburg and saved the Union, Minnesota
needs to hold the line now. So you get the
governor up there declaring this implicitly to be a war
against the federal government. That kind of craziness is only
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going to help defeat the Democrats. It's only going to
help open eyes. And I know, if you have been
a republic in your whole life, then maybe this point
doesn't resonate as well. But having been a Democrat myself
and knowing so many Democrats, including so many in my
extended out of state family, I can tell you that
that there are many many Democrats right now who do
(02:44):
not understand how whack their party has become. So when
you get people like Walls and the governor up there
and all these other Democrats around the country trying to
declare this ice agent explicitly or implicitly declare him a murderer,
trying to turn the woman who drove it, the ice agent,
into a hero, it helps open eyes to the modern
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Democratic Party has become so so so many positive indicators,
you know, they're very little conversation. I don't know if
you've even heard any at this point, but very little
conversation out there other than on this show and a
few others about what's happening in Iran. And there are
no guarantees, there are no guarantees at this point that
(03:28):
that evil regime is going to fall, but there's a
real chance that it will. And if it does, it's
going to make such a better world for America. It's
going to make a much safer America, a more prosperous America,
a safer and more prosperous world. And it's going to
be part of momentum, you know, And you don't want
(03:48):
to compare it to anything. Sports are serious, but this
is real life stuff, right, But we all know it's
just the way life works is. You know, you get
momentum going in a positive direction, you get a domino effect.
You get a domino effect hopefully when our military and
Trump take Evil Maduro out of Venezuela, a guy who
(04:09):
had hijacks, stolen a country. He didn't win that election,
he'd stolen a country. He's a drug lord, is stolen
a country and was doing all sorts of bad things
to America. And then domino effect of that is that
Cuba may well fall. And what a blessing that would be,
right if that again, evil dictatorship in Cuba was to fall.
(04:30):
Can you imagine how quickly I think there are what
less than ten million people on that island, given its location,
its natural beauty, everything else. If you get the communist
dictators out of there, how long would it take for
Cuba to be thriving and prospering and those people who
have been essentially prisoners, like the people of Iran have
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been for years. Would that be like forty eight hours
before that island is thriving. Maybe it takes a year
or two, but again, so many dominoes that may fall
just the right way in twenty twenty six, so we'll
keep an eye on all of that. Glad you're here.
Some more great guests coming up today. It's been a
great week for guests and we'll keep that mold going.
(05:13):
Lindsay Datkow, who really has been one of the tremendous
grassroots leaders we've seen in a long time around here.
You know, she's going to join us to talk about
the latest you know, sexual madness out of the Jefferson
County School District and there's great import in that for
lots of different reasons. But she's done the hard work
(05:33):
in the trenches to you know, catalog all that and
report on that for years and you can see the
overall impact.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
We'll also touch with Lindsey on the news that jeffco
at this point, I think just a headline that they're
going to be another forty nine million down because they're
leaking oil badly in terms of their student population, and
who could be surprised, right, And listen, I know there
are a lot of great teachers and administrators in that district,
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but overall the way they're lefty politics punished kids during COVID,
and you know the craziness of that Columbine story and
the unrepentant approach that many in the school district took
to that. So Lindsay will join us and we'll kick
that around at four to twenty George Brockler at four
(06:22):
thirty six. We have a lot to talk about their
George's you know, the DA and the twenty third. But
cal Clark taking a shot at George today that I
think is very unfair. But it's an interesting conversation to
have about this public policy approach of the commissioners in
Douglas County, who at this point are making it a
legal requirement that store owners report shoplifting. And they're doing
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that obviously because they don't want a whole bunch of
shoplifters gravitating out to Douglas County saying, hey, we can
get away with it here, because as you know, you've
got some big box stores now and some others are
just saying, we're not even going to mess with it.
We're not going to report it to police. We're not
going to do anything. It's just better for us as
a company to let them come and take it. And
(07:08):
I can understand any town, city, or county saying uh huh,
that's not the reputation we have, that's not the approach
we want. Our business is taken. But then you get
to that interesting question of you know, does a business
have a right to say, Hey, if you want to
rob us, you can rob us. We're not even going
to report it. So we'll talk with George Brockler about
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that and more at four point thirty six. But lots
of other ground I want to cover with you today.
This is another reason I'm so optimistic for the future.
There are some, you know, global reasons I am, and
a lot of them trace back to on the political front,
to Donald Trump and his boldness and things that he's doing.
And then, as we've talked about, there's this resurgence of faith,
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certainly a major resurgence of Christianity that I think, you know,
helps fuel all of this and ultimately is more important anyway. Right,
But on the political front, we saw it again today
and it won't get a lot of mainstream media coverage
because it makes Trump look good. But our FK Junior
and others coming out and they have flipped the food
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pyramid and they've redesigned it to emphasize proteins, to get
away from the grave concern about certain kind of saturated fats, etc.
And I'm going to play some of that sound for
you because I think you'll find it really interesting. I mean,
talk about a kitchen table issue, but all of the
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promise it holds for kids and for the rest of us,
just to get American food going in the right direction.
And I'm not a well traveled guy or anything like that,
but I've done a little bit of traveling, and I
don't know if you've had the same experience, but normally
when you go over to Europe, you feel better. And
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their food they just don't have nearly a much ulter
processed food. They have many more natural foods, et cetera,
and in a much different approach to diet often in
many places in Europe. And you know, one of the
things are of kids and you was talking about today
is you look at the hard data and the science
on that, and yes, you know, in Europe, you know,
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you get a lot of people who are a lot
healthier because they don't have all this ultra process stuff
that we have. And I'm a big believer that it's
screwing up kids in so many different ways to not
have a truly healthy diet. So this isn't about taking
control away from parents or mandating that people be fed
this or can't eat that. None of that garbage. There's
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none of that from the administration. It's the administration saying, whoa,
you know, here's what a healthy diet really looks like,
and here's what we need to be pushing. So I'll
play some of that sound as well. Three or three
seven one, three eight, two five five the number text
d an five seven seven three nine Lindsay deckcount next
on The Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show Podcast.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Jefferson County warrenar v outa high school teacher, was fired
after he was accused of inappropriate behavior with more than
a dozen students in a neighboring school district. Patricio Janis
was arrested by the Bulder County Sheriff's Office this week.
He's facing fifty charges of sexual exploitation of a child.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
Last night, your reporter and voter spoke to a man
who says he was one of at least sixteen minors
targeted by Alianis as part of.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
An elaborate and just thank you, Ryan, thank you. Wanted
to get people a taste of that as we bring
Lindsay deck Coo back with us. Lindsay, welcome back to
the Dan Caplass Show. Hey, thanks Dan Well and for
those who are new to this show, maybe new to Colorado,
Lindsay really has been one of the most effective grassroots
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organizers we've seen in modern history in this state and
does thank goodness for that. So, Lindsay, what is the
latest stuff there in Jeff coach go schools? This this
sexual perversion, the state of the school system I read
where you know, all of a sudden there's another what
forty or fifty million in budget deficit because they're down
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a whole bunch of kids in the school system. What's
your take on all that?
Speaker 7 (11:16):
Yeah, So, as you know, we've been uncovering a lot
of sexual abuse, misconduct, grooming, and we don't just want
to cover the surface facts, which definitely have a shock
factor and they should, but we want to connect the
dots and I think the underlying facts of this newest
case that has come out will shock everyone and be
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incredibly important for change going forward.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
What are some of those facts?
Speaker 7 (11:44):
Yeah, So we actually started getting word on him back
in October of twenty twenty five. An employee reported that
she heard sirens and that he was escorted out of
the building. So we of course were suspicious and started
sending for open records requests and doing background checks, where
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we found that.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
He had multiple DUIs.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
Our Cora were able to get his application to jeff Co,
which gave us information we needed to piece the following together,
and so Saint Rain reportedly allowed him to resign after
there were some allegations of inappropriate grooming misconduct. We also
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found out again he had three DUI charges. He was
sentenced to two years probation and recommended for domestic violence treatment.
In twenty twenty three, he violated probation by failing his
urinary tests. He then in August fifth, twenty twenty four,
signed the jeff Co contract. All of that had already happened,
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many many red flags, not to mention the fact that
he left mid year, which should have been a red
flag for them. Weeks after he signed the Jeffco contract.
While teaching jef cost students, he wore an ankle monitor
for ninety days or order to wear this ankle monitor
while on work release and waiting out of custody for
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a half day house bed while teaching jeff coos students
high school English.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Can nobody notice the ankle jewelery?
Speaker 7 (13:26):
No one noticed, And I'll tell you our contacts were
able to find that information very easily.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Lindsay Dedco our guest. And my understanding is that this
former now jeff Co teachers suspected of photographing and filming
students along with producing and selling videos involving sex acts
and face similar allegations in twenty twenty three in the
same frame district. Is that you're understanding correct.
Speaker 7 (13:54):
And you know it's important to understand. There's this huge
issue going on with not reps recording these issues to
the Colorado Department of Education. And while that may have
been the case with Saint Vrain, Jeffco has no excuse.
I could go on many serious examples of failing to
report and then employees ending up in other places, but
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it wasn't until that twenty twenty five October incident when
he was arrested, arrested.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
And escorted out of their building.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
They reached out for a reference check to Saint Vrain.
Saint Brain said that was the first time they had
heard from Jeff.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
COO, so they failed a reference check which.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
Would have stopped this. Wow, he stopped him from teaching.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Jeff cowids.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, and in any sane state, right, You've got the
school where there are ben problems taking the initiative to
warn others, and then, as you say, you've got Jeff
go doing a whole lot more to investigate here. Has
anybody from jeff co offered any kind of meaningful explanation
as to why they didn't do a more thorough background check.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
Well, unfortunately, I did hear them discuss it at the
board meeting that they held last night, and the tone
was very much how frustrated they were that there's a
failure to report from other districts and we are going
to hold their feet to the fire. JEFFO has absolutely
no room to point fingers. They have egregious cases and
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I'm going to post a letter outlining all of this
to the superintendent on our website jeffco Kids First dot com.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Right, have they documented, Lindsay, Because if you don't know Lindsey,
one of the things that makes her so effective is
she'll do the hard work and she's very detail oriented.
They use coral open records laws and they dig in,
as Lindsay alluded to, you know, they're looking for patterns,
they're looking for policies, procedures, these these bigger picture failures
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that are going to affect more kids. And so at
this point, has Jeff go documented what their actual background
check investigation is, how much they do and routinely when
they hire a teacher.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Yeah, that's what we want to find out. And you
know there are cases that are in the news where
they missed an outstanding warrant and then that person kept
teaching and working in Jeff COO. We would like to
push Actually, we're going to make a huge call for
them to audit all references and background checks and to
read routinely performed background checks.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So, Lendsey, tell people how they can get a hold
of you, how they can follow your organization. I you
you have a lot of great resources online.
Speaker 7 (16:37):
Yeah, you can follow us at jeffco Kids First on Facebook,
we have around ten thousand, nearly ten thousand followers on
that platform where all the action happens, or go to
our website www dot jefco, kids First dot com.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Well, you have won a lot of big victories. I
hope you stay after this and in the last few
seconds we have what's your overall take on the state
of the Jeffcot School system.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
My overall take is, as soon as we think maybe
we've made progress, we find out that there's still so
many gaps. And you know, we've addressed so much cultural
issues during the pandemic. We didn't foresee student safety as
our focus, and we see it as our call, and
we find this to be the most important work that
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we have done yet.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Well, I'm really glad you're on it because, as with
some other places, there appears to be so much commitment
to leftist ideology before the good of the children. You know,
you would think in any school operation, any any operation,
you know, the best interest of the child would come first.
But so often these days we're saying, no, it's leftist
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ideology worshiping at that altar that comes before the best
interest of the child. And you've been there to call
them on it and to report on it, and please
do keep that up.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
Absolutely, we will.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Thank you, Lindsey, you take care you two thinks, Dan.
That is Lindsay Dad Co doing great work out there
and they have rung up a lot of big victories,
including during COVID you know where Jeff Co just went
crazy in terms of punishing kids with these completely unnecessary
and contrary to science mask mandates, et cetera. When we
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come back, so much going on in the world this afternoon,
I want to run through with you, including at this
point Congress upholding the president's veto of the big Colorado
water project. Want to follow up on that again, Jared
Polish choosing to go to war with Donald Trump. At
what point is Polist going to cave? You're on the
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Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Republican leaders in law enforcement and Douglas County are pushing
ahead with their plan to fight crime by punishing some
crime victims, specifically stores that are victimized by shoplifters. County commissioners,
the sheriff, and the district attorney want to find those
businesses if they don't report shoplifters. Our Marshall Zelling are
asked them whether a small business in town is going
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to face the same punishment for being a crime victim
as a big box store.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
We'll take it up from there with the da George
Brockler kind enough to join us on the Dan Kaplis Show. George,
how you doing.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I'm doing well, sir, Thanks for having me. Where was
all this snowness during Christmas?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
We could? Oh, no, wouldn't that have been beautiful? Man?
If the mountain's ever been this dry this late.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
No, don't not that I can remember. Someone said they
were like fifty percent below typical snowpack. I'm worried about
what it means for the fall, so I'm what it
means for the spring.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
So now, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because we've had a
couple of pretty good years when it comes to fires.
But and want to see him salvage this season. But
holy cow, Yeah, George, we had talked about this a
while back, and you know, KUSA going after Douglas County
again on this. But please tell people kind of the
(20:08):
current state of affairs and this really interesting issue of stores,
and as you explained down air before, it's normally you know,
these big box stores that just want to let shoplifters
get away with it, and Whyda County has a concern
with that.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, the county commissioners have gotten together and decided that.
And I don't know anyone else in the country that
has taken this approach. And their approach is to say, listen,
if you're one of these big box stores and your
answer to we don't call the police or investigate shoplifters
is because we have this national corporate policy, we're going
to give you every incentive to change that policy. And
(20:44):
so they've created a potential ordinance and I don't even
think it's even past second reading yet, but an ordinance
that would say, hey, if you're a big box store
or any business for that matter, even small businesses, and
you don't report within a certain period of time, they're
going to be constants. Most consequences take the form of
a dollar fine, and I can't remember what amount they're
(21:04):
on right now, but that's it. The listen. I'm not
a stick guy as much as a carrot guy on
working with victims and witnesses. Is this a policy that
could work?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It could, And I understand where the commissioners are coming
from from the standpoint of a DA. I don't ever
want to be in a position to have to prosecute
victims or witnesses or to punish them when I need
them to be willing participants in this process. So the
good news for me, and this is what gets me
to the Kyle Clark piece, which really kind of bothers me,
is I play zero role in this ordinance. It's not
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my ordinance. I don't make it, I don't pass it,
I don't go campaign for it, and once it gets
put in place, if it passes, I don't enforce it.
I don't go to court on it. Nothing. And yet
if you listen to that piece by Kyle Clark, he
makes it sound like and he put this in a
tweet today too that you sent me, and it was
the county commissioners and the DA are pushing forward with
(22:02):
their plan. Well there is no their plan, and I'm
not pushing forward with anything. But I think it really
highlights again what makes Kyle Clark uniquely disingenuous. And you've
highlighted this a bunch of times too. Really smart guy,
This isn't an accident. This isn't why I didn't understand it.
If you'd even watch Marshall Zeliger's piece before he sent
the tweet, the one he linked he would see, I
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have nothing to do with this ordinance.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, and I appreciate you coming on because I wanted
to make sure people understood the truth of this, because
it's being represented in another way. And yeah, I mean,
the last thing in the world you ever want to
do is be in the position of having to prosecute
a victim. I understand why Douglas County, why the commissioners
(22:47):
are looking to do everything they can to try to
avoid a perception that, oh, yeah, we can go out
to Douglas County and shoplift with no consequence. Right, that's
not good for the county. But yeah, very very very
misleading to say that you're behind this. So what about
the state of shoplifting though, George, I mean, is it
(23:08):
on the rise now? Is it? Is it across the
metro where more and more of these criminals feel that
that can just get away with it. So why pay
when you can just walk in and walk out?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I think the two best sources of information on this
are the actual shops themselves and when we get cases
that come in. And I was going to do a
trial at the end of last year involving a theft
from a sunglasses hut down here at the at the
outlet stores in Castle Rock. It got continued.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But in the.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Process of saying, we talk with the loss prevention guy
and he tells us this goes on all the time.
He also tells us that, look, our corporate policies limit
us in what we can do in this, that and
the other from our standpoint. And this is interesting too.
Nine News had reached out after we did a retail
theft summit this week with all you know, Walmart and
Target and Walgreens and all the biggies, and they had said,
(24:00):
you know, George talked kind of a tough game on
this phone call, this video call, and talked about, hey,
you send us any kind of a case and we're
going to investigate and if it's worthy of prosecuting, we will.
How many petty thefts have you guys prosecuted this year?
And I went back and had our guys look, and
they said, we prosecuted one hundred and eighty two petty thefts.
(24:21):
Eighty one percent of them got jailed. The other nineteen
percent were the product of either legacy offers that were
given before we became an office or two judges going
against our recommendations at court. So my point of the
saying that is, oh yeah, I mean you think you're
going to get those numbers in Denver. My guess is
Denver's answer is zero percent of the people engaged in
(24:43):
petty theft got any jail. But my point for us is,
because we are now telling these shop owners and we're
incentivizing them to report, and we're telling the cops and
they want to do this, go out and make these
arrests and these investigations our numbers. It wouldn't surprise me
if year over year between last year and now we
see an uptick. But that's on the road towards the
(25:03):
big drop, the real drop. You if you just stop
investigating these things, the numbers will fall off the earth.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
But that won't be real crime prevention exactly. George Brockler,
our guests, Hey, let me shift gears for a second,
if you don't mind. I don't know if you've had
a chance to look closely at the video and other
publicly available info out of Minnesota, but do you have
a take on that shooting.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I've not had a chance to look at the video.
But listen, I've been the DA for a ton of
officers involved shootings from when I was the DA in
the eighteenth and even some from the twenty third. And
the bottom line is this. People talk about, well, couldn't
the officers have done this? Couldn't the officers have done that?
And while that might be part of the analysis, and
there's also like, well, her intent was clearly to get away,
(25:50):
and I don't know that anyone's intent can be discerned
from just those milliseconds of time that those officers are
in harm's way. But at the end of the day,
an investigation is predicated really on did this officer reasonably
perceive a risk, how grave was that risk? And was
their response reasonable in response to that risk? And so
(26:12):
all the Monday morning quarterbacking that talk. And by the way,
I should start with this, what a friggin tragedy. Thirty
seven year old woman. Regardless of what she did, her
life's over man, She's got friends, she's got family. This
is a tragedy. But to split along the lines of well,
what was her intent, what was her background? None of
it matters unless the officer knew it at the time
(26:34):
he pulled the trigger. So all we can say is
where were you, what did you know, what did you hear,
what did you see, and what did you do? Those
things add up to whether or not this was a
justifiable shooting. Not the only possible outcome, but a justifiable shooting, right.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
And as you say, all against the backdrop of split second,
you know that this decision had to be made in
an instant and so yeah, and again I can only
work off the publicly available video and information. But as
I look at this, it's as you say, I mean,
it's a tragedy. She's thirty seven, she has children. The
questioning is is it a tragedy of her own making?
(27:14):
Is it a tragedy where the officer acted reasonably under
the circumstances. And when I look at this one from
what we have to work with, to me, it's just
open and shut, clear cut that the officer acted reasonably
under the circumstances. As you say, could another officer, would
another officer have made a different decision, maybe, but that
doesn't matter if the officer acted reasonably under those circumstances.
(27:39):
And what I see as an officer who's acting to
cover a fellow officer who's engaged with her at the window,
telling her to stop, and then she starts to drive
forward toward the officer who ended up firing the shot.
But I'm sure we can talk about that more down
the road as more information comes out. Here's the big
(27:59):
test for you, and I know you'll pass this one.
I want to play you some sound and tell me
if you can tell everyone what this is. Cut forty seven, please,
here we.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Go, first snap of the overtime.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
The Broncos have been in three overtime games this year.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
They won them all.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Got me at the thirty, it's Thomas at the fifty.
Stepper are going great at the thirty to the thirty,
Thomas at a tens.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
The first time all the.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Time, George Broncler, What was that play debo to Thomas'
first overtime game with the new rules? First play from
I think after the kick from scrimmage in the overtime.
It was one of the most amazing exciting games to
(28:49):
be at I've ever been at m Electric.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Hard to believe it was on this date, this very day,
back in twenty twelve. And what a lot of people
forget is that game was slipping away. I mean, remember
it sounds like you were there. We were there also,
and in that game was slipping away and then all
of a sudden overtime that first play what looked like
it was going to be one of the worst Denver
(29:14):
losses ever because they were in command of the game
until late Tabo and Thomas save it. But my friend,
thank you for your time today and.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
An amazing play. I'm hoping for more of them in
the postseason. Thanks for having me on to clear this
up about our buddy Kyle.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Thank you, my friend, Catch you soon. That is George Bronckler,
the DA in the twenty third here on The Dan
Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
President Trump's mass deportation raids, named Operation Aurora for the
city in Colorado, have led to chaos and violent clashes
across the country. Today, a woman from Colorado was killed
by an ICE agent in Minneapolis. Whennes is this say,
thirty seven year old Renee Good was following traffic directions
by agents. The Trump administration says Good was a domestic
(30:03):
terrorist who tried to hit a federal agent with their vehicle.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Please pause that, I mean, think about what we just
heard in the first thirty seconds of that KOSA report
and then ask yourself why why was the report shaped
that way? And I think it leads to a bigger point,
a bigger point about what Governor Wallace is doing up
(30:26):
there mayor fry Democrats across the country, and I'll get
to that in a second, But let me start with
this bizarre assumption at the start of that piece that
somehow it's the actions of ICE across the country and
the deployment of ICE by Trump that are the cause
(30:47):
of chaos and violence. That's like saying that when Denver
decided to put a police force on the streets that
it caused chaos and violence. Think about that. That the
chaos and violence is because of those who break the
law and those who try to stop our law enforcement
(31:11):
from enforcing the law, and those who then attack our
law enforcement. That's the cause of the chaos and violence,
not deploying law enforcement to enforce the law. But the
start of that KUSA story makes it the fault of
the Trump administration for deploying law enforcement to enforce the law.
(31:34):
Think about that premise, and that brings you to the
larger point I've been making for quite a while. Which
is that what's really at work here, and that story
you just heard is just part of this. What's really
at work here is you've got Mayor Johnston in Denver.
You've got these prominent Democrats across the country who are
(31:57):
trying to partially secede from the Union. That they're trying
to say that the federal government is not allowed to
enforce federal laws in these Democrat controlled cities and states.
The federal government's not allowed to enforce federal laws that
the Democrats don't like. That's what's really going on here.
(32:20):
And so there's a much much larger stake in all
of this. And obviously the immigration issue is enormously large
because you do have you've had so many Americans who've
been raped, murdered, otherwise killed or victimized by a relatively
small percentage of those here illegally. Most people here illegally
(32:41):
don't commit these other crimes. But tell that to the
people who've been raped or murdered or otherwise killed, that
tell that to their family members. No, it's a big,
big issue. And so that's an enormous issue in and
of itself. But then beyond that, this issue of whether
we're going to remain one nation, whether we're going to
(33:05):
remain one nation governed by laws, governed by the constitution. Because,
make no mistake about it, the bigger play by the Democrats,
and this whole No King's Business and these No King's
rallies in marches are part of that. The bigger play
by the Democrats is to try to force the federal
government out through mob action, force the federal government out
(33:29):
of Democrat controlled areas so the federal government can enforce
federal law. It is a I think a very well
thought out, systematic play by the left because they listen,
they've got a lot of terrible ideas, and they've got
a horrific vision for the future of this nation. But
they're an awful lot of smart, well funded people on
(33:51):
the left, and they have a plan, and they understand
that they are likely to lose the White House a
lot in the coming day gates. It's possible they may
not win it at all, and so they I think
are implementing this plan understanding that the White House may
be controlled by Republicans for most, if not all, of
(34:14):
the next twenty to thirty years or beyond. So their
plan is to in the ways I described try to
prevent the federal government from enforcing federal law, and this
immigration law is the tip of the spear on that.
So that's what's really at stake here. And so whether
(34:34):
you agree or disagree with President Trump on immigration and
immigration policy and whether he should just be deporting those
here illegally who are committing other crimes or deporting everybody
here illegally, at the end of the day, any good
Americans should be able to agree that the president has
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the right, the federal government has the right to enforce law,
and that Democrats who try to prevent that, like Mayor
Johnston talking about tens of thousands taking the streets to
prevent the federal government from enforcing federal law, talking about
using Denver police officers to physically stop their law enforcement
(35:18):
brethren from enforcing federal law. That is a grave danger
to this country. But understand that's what's going on right now,
that's what the left's trying to do. You're on the
Dan Caplo Show.
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