September 12, 2025 • 36 mins
Matt Dunn fills in for Dan Caplis today. In the first hour of the show, Matt reacts to the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Not Dan Caples Today, but it is friend and fan
of Dan Caplis, Matt Dunn. I've been honored to be
in here a couple of times of late to carry
the torch for Dan Caples Again, Ryan Kelly, thanks for
the hospitality to have this old radio hand in here
show up and speak about a few things.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
And obviously it's been a.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Bit of a downer of a week, and you might
even say big time on that with the political assassination
of Charlie Kirk. In full disclosure, I spent many years
with a station, the network that does air Charlie Kirks
did air Charlie Kirks radio program, so have been in
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Charlie Kirk's orbit for many years. I remember when he
came on and started his radio show. So obviously in
this little universe that we inhabit, this kind of thing
hits home. It's quite devastating, staggering, and you know it
makes you step back a little bit and offers some reflections.
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And anytime you start to speculate about what is happening
here or what is going on here, it's got to
be tentative and it can't really be exact. And you know,
there is somebody in custody that seems like there's a
pretty convincing set of evidence that that individual was most
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likely involved, but we don't know for sure. And people
will take time to speculate on the culture, what is
going on in our civilization that things like this can happen,
and a lot of that will be inexact too, But
yet we just have to take that in stride and.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Continue and offer commentary.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You know what, thoughts does it make us have to
be in the aftermath of this horrible, tragic, heartbreaking situation. Yes,
you're seeing some people seemingly on the left that seem
to be celebratory about this situation, and I generally prefer
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not to dwell on those kinds of individuals, but maybe
it should be brought up a little bit and make
you question the generalized inhumanity that characterizes much of our
politics today.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And would I say that that is more on the left, Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I would that might be my bias, but that is
my perspective, and I am proud to be able to
sit in here and offer that perspective of mine.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
As the show goes on, I would like to be
able to move.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
To other topics, some of them happier topics, some of
them lighter topics, and so we will get get through
to those items as the program goes on. But we
do need to address and you know, anybody who gets
near a microphone right now, I think it's an obligation
to talk about the scenario of what has happened with
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Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I should throw out a phone number.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
You are invited to check in with the Dan Kaplis
Show again, Matt Dunn sitting in the phone number three
oh three seven one three eight two five five. Should
you care to offer your perspective bit of commentary. Just
please know you are invited at any point in time. Also,
text messages to studio can come in at five seven,
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seven three nine, and we do read every one of those,
and we we love to see people chiming in and
keeping host and producers on track. Indispensable, especially when I'm around.
If I may say, but at any rate again heavy, somber,
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tragic and.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Just no way around it. You know, some of us
have been able.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
To meet Charlie Kirk over the years, wife got some
young kids.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
You've seen all of the photos.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Something has come out the somebody leaked the booking when
an individual of the name Tyler Robinson apprehended and booked.
And how much of this has been come out has
come out and been publicized, I do not know, but
I thought I just put a little bit of this
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out there. That's about eight pages of information that described
why Tyler Robinson was apprehended apparently turned in by his father.
And some people have been saying that this makes Tyler
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Robinson's father a somewhat positive or noble figure, even for
turning in his own son and not accepting the I
believe it was a one hundred thousand dollars reward from
the FBI.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
He refused to take that.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Some people are saying, well, no, this is not a
noble action because the father did know about it and
would have been arrested if it was found out that,
you know, he knew about what his son may have
done and did not turn him in, So that that
can be debated There's an interesting note, just a few
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notes from this that the suspect and this apparently is
from video camera footage at Utah Valley University on September tenth,
twenty twenty five, the day of the political assassination of
Charlie Kirk. Suspect quote, suspect walks with a distinctive gait.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Prior to these shooting.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Suspect appears to walk with a stiff right leg and at.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
A relatively slow pace.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Suspect's ability to bend his right leg appears.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
To be restricted. Now when you get video evidence.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And one thing that is interesting that video evidence of
an individual can really dial in on somebody's gates, somebody's stride,
how they move, and that can actually be pretty pretty
precise information and may be somewhat easy to be.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Be backed up with, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
After apprehending the suspect, apparently investigators discovered a bolt action
rifle wrapped in a dark colored tell and there have
been inscriptions found on a fired casing. And just to
read these inscriptions, quote notices bulge, owo, what's this? And
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then there were three unfired casings that read hey fascist catch.
Another unfired casing reads oh, bella chow, bellachow, bella chow,
and a third unfired casing. Again, this is from the
booking report. A third unfired casing reads quote If you
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read this, you are gay, lmao. End quote. And I'm
not going to sit here and be able to interpret
what any of those meanings are. But apparently there were
some some roommate of Tyler Robinson or family member talked
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about some history of engraving bullets. Okay, so that starts
to add up a little bit. And there is a
grade Dodge Challenger that Robinson apparently arrived at the UVU
campus a Greade Dodge Challenger, And there were sightings of
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this Dodge Challenger which apparently connects to Tyler Robinson. And
here's a takeaway point that I think is worth having
in the record. Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson,
who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years.
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The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson
came to dinner prior to September tenth, twenty twenty five,
and in conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie
Kirk was coming to UVU. They talked about why they
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didn't like him and the viewpoints he had. The family
member also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.
The family member also confirmed Robinson had a Gray Dodge
Challenger and I want to get back to that about
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hate that. The family member reported that Tyler Robinson stated
that Kirk was full of hate and was spreading hate.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And that is an.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Area to explore, and that you constantly see that in
the discourse, that if somebody objects to the opinions of
another person, they accuse them of being full.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Of hate, of being loaded with hate. And how often
have you heard.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
That that the hate phrase thrown out there? Which is
it's pretty extreme. When you step back and in this
moment we're in that you maybe see that in a
little bit of a different light. And if if the
people who step back and are accusing somebody of being
hateful and being full of hate, who who is doing
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the actual hating here? By uttering that or by thinking that?
Do you do you see what I mean with that
one last point before we had to break that and
this this this possibly you could you could have a
reading that indicates an accomplice. There was some some messages
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that were found and uh, stating a need to retrieve
a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in
a bush, messages related to visually watching the area where
a rifle was left, and a message referring to having
left the rifle wrapped in a towel. The way some
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people could read that is that was Tyler Robinson asking
for an accomplice to pick up that rifle. I'll go
into that more when we come back. It's you know,
heavy times, heavy times. I know it's been discussed quite
a bit already, but it's the kind of thing that
needs to be discussed right now. Very significant, very tragic matter.
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This is mad Don. I'm sitting in for Dan Capless
be right back.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
And now back to the Dan Kapless Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
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Speaker 4 (11:37):
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Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, that would play for you.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
By the way, yes, oh okay, the listeners have a
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Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, it's it's bad. It's real bad, we tell you.
By the way, did you eat Jenni Phobiac over here?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
So I mean we're working through that a little bit,
you know, we are it's true my humble.
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Gentle practice of dentistry.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Here, did Ryan indicate an opinion from you on Mannheim
Steamroller versus Trans Siberian Orchestra. I just I was just
going to venture out one thing that both of those
groups seem universally popular and everybody loves them, like everybody,
But for whatever reason, I can't seem to get into
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either one of those groups.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I can't do it, and it kind of makes me
think some things that matter with me because I seem
to be the only one I don't like their stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Well, Mannheim Steamroller is really big with Rush Limbaugh. They're
a big supporter of sponsor of his show and he
loves them. Yes, so full marks to them, as the
Canadians might say. Now Trans Siberian Orchestra. I just interviewed
Al Petrelli, who is one of the guys behind the
scenes with that, and they've been together for what thirty
odd years or whatnot, And then this texter just sent it.
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This is what started the conversation. Ryan tso sucks like
yacht rock after too many coffees, to which I said
that actually sounds awesome.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I want to enjoy yacht rock after too many coffees?
How do you feel about yacht rock?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Doctor don I admit that there was a time when
I couldn't bear yacht rock, but now I think I've
gotten older. I like it, you know, if you will
like Doobie Brothers in their mellow eighties phase, you know,
I love it.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And who was there.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Was some comedian who popularized that, right and you know
you got to have the yacht rock playlist. Jimmy Fallon,
I believe he started that whole deal. And there's there's
a vibe to that that I think is helpful, you know,
to our existence, to to just you know, catch the
yacht rock wave here and there. So I just want
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to do, by the way, just summarize that that that
booking was submitted.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
By a Brian Davis on Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And there was apparently an app, a communication app or
a messaging app called Discord in which the a roommate
off Tyler Robinson was showing messages from Tyler Robinson to authorities,
and it had the messages about engraving bullets. It had
a message about Tyler mentioning that he had changed outfits
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and about some need to retrieve a rifle in the bushes,
which I don't know, maybe you know, you could, you
could say that there could been accomplices of some sort,
and again all of that is speculation and the other
kinds of speculation here. I mean, I guess you would
say political assassinations are not a new thing that goes
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back throughout human history. You can go back to ancient Rome,
and you can come all the way from them to
them to now, and you can't just say, well, wow,
human nature is really bad right now, or suddenly politics
is worse than it ever has been. But it sure
is tempting to want to do that, is it not?
And if I were to sit back, you know what
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thoughts come into my mind? I mean, one of the
quotes that I just read from this booking affidavit that
apparently Tyler Robinson says that quote Kirk was full of
hate and spreading hate. And it seems where did we
get to this point in our culture that you know,
if you disagree on political matters, that you can't just
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disagree and who you disagree with is instantly dehumanized. Is
not like a legitimate viewpoint, it's a hate viewpoint, or
it's a fascist viewpoint.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Or go down the list.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
It's a bit of dehumanization has occurred in our discourse,
and it seems to me, you know, Charlie Kirk's debater,
he would go out and use words and debate and
engage audiences all over America. Thousands and thousands of people
did this for many years, and a belief in debate
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and a belief in you know what that can entail,
and a chance to talk things through, talk it out
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
But is our society able to do that anymore?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You have to ask that at moments like these, can
we debate anymore without it instantly going to oh that's hate,
Oh that's fascism. And my childhood I feel like growing up,
I remember the debates. You know, there were actually debates
like Ronald Reagan would debate Jimmy Carter on tax policy,
higher taxes, lower tax or the size of government. You know,
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make arguments you should government be bigger, should government be smaller?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You know, debate the Panama Canal? Should we keep that
or should we get rid of the.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Panama We used to have discussions in which people's words
would matter and would maybe influence the outcomes or influence
the thoughts of people who would be voting in elections
or trying to find their own way politically and decide
what their values are, what makes.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Sense to them. Does that happen anymore? Do arguments actually work?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Does making a case actually move the needle at all?
And I feel like, you know, you watched the last
series of debates, and you know, I'm a maga pro
Trump individual, and I feel like he would get up
there and make arguments and make the case for his policies.
But then you know, and his debating opponents would tend
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to shoot.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
It down, is you know, with the name calling and so.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Forth, and there wouldn't you wouldn't say it was an
actual debate. And you could go watch the debates of JFK.
Nixon nineteen sixty, I believe, and you would see like, wow,
I mean, these are substantial discussions that would have been
had back in those days. Or you know, you can
sit down, as I've done and read the Lincoln Douglas
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debates and wow, the level of discussion that was had
eighteen fifty eight, eighteen fifty nine in this country, and
the subtlety and the grace with which they delivered their
statements and made their political arguments. We have fallen pretty
far from that, but Charlie Kirk was out there doing it,
still doing it. What maybe is something that is becoming
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harder and harder to do in our civilization? And honored
to see phone lines lighting up. And I should say,
by the way, three three seven one, three eight two
five five. But when you see somebody say, oh, that
person is hateful, that person is full of hate, that
person's ideas are hate, I would submit to you that
the person that has that reflex to accuse opponents of hate,
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there is hate in that individual's mind that has been
perhaps influenced thro would you say, brainwashed into thinking that
that is the case. And Elon Musk, I think kind
of a controversial guy. He says, quote at its heart,
wokeness is divisive, exclusionary, and hateful. It basically gives mean
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people a shield to be mean and cruel, armored in
false virtue. So if this tyler Rob says, hey, Charlie
Kirk is full of hate, he gets to feel like, hey,
you know, I'm on the I'm on the good team,
and I can do what I want right, I can
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do what I want to say because I'm on the
right side, and I know who the haters are.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Do you see how this works? All right?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
It's Matt Dunn in for Dan Capliss. If you're on
the phone lines, hang on a sec. Let's start chatting.
When we come around the corner.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Be right back.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Everything just goes away.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
How would you if you could be associated with one thing,
how would you want to be remembered. I want to
be I want to be remembered for for courage from
my faith.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That would be the most important thing. The most important
thing is my faith in my life.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
There is Charlie Kirk two months ago describing how he
would like to be remembered if he was no longer living.
And I think that's pretty apt, and I think that's
how he will be remembered, A courageous man of faith
who was bringing yes his opinions into different communities, into
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young people all around this country. But is enough of
this country able to engage in conversation and discussion and
have those kinds of moments?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Are we still able to do that? And you have
to ask that right now.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I will soon offer my diagnosis and my opinions and
the genesis of this kind of thing, course speculation.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
But I have my ideas.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
And by the way, talking about how people are always
accusing others of being full of hate, do you ever
see those bumper stickers that say coexist on them? For
a while, you would see them all the time. I
recently saw one the other day. But I do say
this that I I just sometimes wonder if the people
with the co exist bumper stickers are the ones that
are actually the meanest ones, Like, really mean? How many
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times have you been cut off by somebody or ast
out of a parking spot by somebody with a co
exist bumper sticker? I feel like, you know, they're the
holier than down individuals. They know what's right and wrong,
and everybody else is misguided and full of hate, and
they are noble, But actually could.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
They be kind of mean? Just wondering.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Matt Dunn in for Dan Capliss here, honored to be in.
Let's go to the phone lines and say hello to
Mike in Pueblo. Mike, thank you for checking in. What's
on your mind?
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Sir?
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Every radio talk show I listened to, every host, every
co host asks the same question that you asked earlier,
why all this political idiocy and all this violence, this
is just the beginning. This is all punishment from God
for sin. And it's talked about in diable prophecy in
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the Old and New Testament, and it's going to get
a whole lot worse.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So are you saying with Ecclesiastes there's nothing new.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Under the sun?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
It was, I'm saying it was.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
What makes you think it's only the beginning and going
to get worse?
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Would you say, Mikeel Bible Bible prophecy says, so we're
in the last days. The Bible says that at least
one person will be left who is here when Israel
became a nation, when the Second Coming occurs, So that's
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not very long from now. And Bible prophecy is for
the future. Some of it was for the Old Testament,
but much, if not most, of it is for their future,
which is our future and our present.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Well fair enough, would you say it would have been
fair to make the same assumption or point after the
assassination of Abraham Lincoln or John F. Kennedy, or the
assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan, assassination attempt on Donald Trump,
I just I wonder if it's maybe a little quick
to jump to that conclusion, given that you know, human history,
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Western culture history.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
You know, has had more than its.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Share of political assassinations all the way alive.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
The Bible is never wrong, and I'm not talking about
political violence only. I'm talking about all the social violence
as well. And if the Bible's right, and the Bible
is never wrong about the second Coming occurring when there's
at least one person still alive from nineteen forty eight,
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well then it's going to be very soon. And the
Bible says it's going to get a whole lot worse
than this. And where does it say that, nations of Israel,
which is vainly Canada, Britain, the US, and Israel.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Where does it just do you have a passage that
says it's going to get worse. I'm just trying to
think of where that is.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Okay, But Mike, I see your point, and I see
how how one could could draw those conclusions. And I
would say I'm not necessarily there on that scenario, but
I would just say, Mike, thank you for sharing that,
and I do thank you for probably speaking for quite a.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Few people with your with your points there.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So Mike Pueblau, thank you for checking in the phone
number three oh three seven one three eight two five
five the text line five seven seven three nine. And
it is always a bit challenging in my opinion, you know,
to start drawing conclusions when an event happens, and we
tend to.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Obviously it occupies most all of our.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Present consciousness and we start extrapolating from there. But how
have we gotten here to the point where it? I
would say that we know that debate is rougher in
this country. Politically it's tougher. It's rougher. I feel like
there's more name calling, there's less civilization. It's not like
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Bill Buckley, you know, debating any leftist foe that comes along,
like John Galbraith, and they're making their sophisticated arguments with
one another, and they're using big long words and everything,
and the audience is following every word. That's not our
discourse anymore. Where did we lose that? What causes the
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loss of that? You know, you could make a case
that's kind of a dumbing down of the society, a
little bit of a you know, somehow in some ways,
a lesser educated or a lesser sophisticated general political audience.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I think one thing that really.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Pops into my mind that I think is a nexus
of political violence is a rule class feeling like it
is losing power. Again, just speculation here, but when a
political class starts to feel like its power base is threatened,
especially after it has been in power for a long time,
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they start to get very very concerned about that and
even panicky about that. And if this ruling class tends
to have a lot of leverage in the media, or
control of the levers of propaganda, essentially control of what
you might call the mainstream media, then they can start
feeding out that propaganda that reflects their own deep concerns
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about losing power and a tendency to dehumanize their political opposition.
Do you remember Joe Biden going on stage. I mean
it was September twenty twenty two, and he had that
red backdrop and he was accusing Maga of the utmost
extremism and using the word fascism, and.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
He had such a harsh in his tone.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
It seemed to me that, I mean, that's that's kind
of the embodiment of the individuals on top who are
getting worried about losing their power, and they ramp it up,
they put it out through the airwaves, and a lot
of people will get quite susceptible to that. And you
could say that academia does as well, apparently as Tyler Robinson,
if he is, you know, truly the perpetrator here, which
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we can't say for sure, was a straight a student
in the academic world. Another thing I think that is
pretty significant. When we interact politically, we constantly have our screens.
We kind of like live in a virtual reality. There's
kind of a disconnect, there's kind of an abstraction, excessive
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hyper abstraction to our interactions. It's not face to face anymore, right,
and where we're not like shaking hands, we're not necessarily
interacting from human to human, but from words to words
in some kind of a filter, some kind of a screen,
some kind kind of a platform like that, which I
think tends to take quite a bit out of it,
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tends to promote a kind of an extremity and more
of a facility with dehumanizing people who disagree with you.
And that is rampant, obviously, And there has also been
a sense, and this is something I have noticed all
the way along that it is somehow not okay anymore
to have disagreements, that's somehow not okay that somebody might
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disagree with you at least. And I will say that
this seems to be more on the left than the right.
You could say that, you know, both parties or both
orientations will have that tendency to a certain extent, but
on the left, I mean, when did it become, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Not okay to disagree?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
And as a you know, I feel like one of
the quotes that motivated me a Voltaire go back to
France Enlightenment France quote, I prove of what you say,
but I will defend to the death your right to
say it.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
End quote.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Somehow that that viewpoint, which I think used to animate
our culture and our discourse and our civilization for so
long has been lost. How did we lose that? And
it has evolved into cancel culture. My anybody who disagrees
with me.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Is full of hate and so forth.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
And you know, it's very subtle how you can build
up a civilization that has a lot of subtlety and
a lot of a lot of virtue in it, and.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
It can sort of erode how and why more on
these thoughts in just a moment.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's Matt Dunn sitting in for Dan Camplus you have
Thoughts three oh three seven one, three eight.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Two five five and now back to the Dan Kaplas
Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Oh man, who was the co writer? You know what?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
You are deep in this stuff just like I could
you look that up real quick if you do it
right now?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Kell? Yeah, who co wrote this song? What a fool?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Believe a great trivia question because they wrote it together
and the person who was starting out writing it hit
a dead end in the composition of the song and
wanted to go over and get some help from Michael McDonald.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
They might work together. Is it Kenny Loggins? I think
it is Kenny Loggins.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
That sounds like a really good guest.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Like if you were making a multiple choice question with
four answers, Kenny Loggins would certainly be one of them.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yes, you are correct, Sir Kenny Loggins. Guess who I'm
playing next now? And you know I did not know
you were going to play that song.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
So this gives me a chance to go into the
all this musical trivia that's still floating around in my brain.
So Kenny Loggins wrote this song, and he couldn't finish it.
He couldn't quite pull it together. And he drove over
to his buddy Michael McDonald's house and got into the driveway,
got out of his car, opened the door, and he
heard Michael McDonald down playing some sort of music in
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his own house, playing on the piano, and instantly into
Kenny logins head, the song snapped together.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
It just all completed.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
And so they went down and they worked on it.
Then they fixed the song. They had it all together.
And so the Doobie Brothers, I believe released the song
first in their own way, and then Kenny Loggins released
his own version his way later. And Kenny Loggins is
the first to admit that the Doobie Brothers version is better.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
He said that one was better.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And of all the Doobie Brothers songs, for whatever reason,
that is their most downloaded song exactly. I like their
older songs better, you know, Like, what's the listen to
the music, which is I think an immortally perfect pop
song from the seventies, more in their southern rock phase,
correct their roots anyway, So if you ever listened to
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the Loggins version of that, I think you'll agree it's
not as good anyway. So that's our yacht rock installment
here today. One note I wanted to work and a
get Matt Dunn in for Dan caplis that I have
just heard word of the passing of a friend of
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our talk radio community, a longtime friend here in the
Denver metro area, great American, Eric Manning.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
And I believe this happened last week. And Eric Manning
is somebody.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Who I got to know very well over the years,
and you know, got to visit in person, meet his wife,
meet his daughter, speak with on air countless times, hundreds
and Eric Manning African American, and you go back to
twenty sixteen when MAGA was just getting off the ground,
and Eric Manning African America loved Donald Trump from moment
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one from the escalator, and he was very vocal about it,
and he would he would keep me informed about what
he was up to. He would go down to the
barber shop in Denver and the Stapleton area, hang out
in the barber shop and be chatting with many of
his good.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Longtime friends.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
And back in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, they were all
hostile to Donald Trump, and they got pretty annoyed at
Great American Eric for trying to preach about the virtues
of Donald Trump to them. He said that it was dicey,
it was tough, but they were all friends and they
you know, they would.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Work it through.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
But he kept updating me and that as the years
went by and he'd go into the barber shop, that
there was more and more of the clientele there that
were becoming pro Maga pro Maga.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
And then by the time the twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Election comes around, Eric was in the majority at the
barber shop and he had gotten his work completed there.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
And I just have to say, you know how much
courage that takes to do that.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You remember what it was like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen
to be saying anything that was somehow pro Maga or
legitimizing of Maga. I mean, it was hysterical opposition from
all quarters.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
In the media.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
And to be an African American out there so vocal
about it, I mean he.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Took some heat.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
He took some heat, but such a fun, loving, good natured,
good souled individual that you know, even people who might
be disagreeated, they couldn't they couldn't get mad at great
American Eric, And so if I could just offer a
few words of prayer condolence to the wonderful family of
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great American Eric Manning, and a big salute to his involvement,
you know, in politics and showing up at political events
and making his voice heard throughout this Denver metro area
and beyond. And he always wore the best suits when
I would see him out in public.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
He had the best suits.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Dapper, good looking fella. And he also made very good
burritos which he would bring into the radio studio.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
He would keep you supplied. Oh wow. And I guess.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Kelly, you may have some background with Eric, or you
guys might know this individual a little bit.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm probably taught to him over fifty times, yeah,
over all of the shows that I've covered.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
And he's just a great person.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
I mean, the first thing he always says when you
know I answered the phone, Hello, Kelly, you great American.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Ryan, great American.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I got a little impression of him that I'm going
to keep going. And we certainly missed him. I got
that news yeah, when I was still in Florida from
our mutual colleague stuff in Todds, And it just broke
my heart. I knew he was struggling with stage four cancer, yes, yeah,
but he was a great American, truly, truly a great
American that that kind of courage and that kind of
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you know.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Just seeing it before everybody else saw it.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
And I could debate him on politics and that, you know,
he would dredge up all kinds of details that I
would learn all kinds of stuff from. And I'm the
kind of person who's been in those weeds my whole life. Anyway,
Prayers to the Manning family. Great American, Eric, big salute
to you.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Be right back.
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Not Dan Caples Today, but it is friend and fan
of Dan Caplis, Matt Dunn. I've been honored to be
in here a couple of times of late to carry
the torch for Dan Caples Again, Ryan Kelly, thanks for
the hospitality to have this old radio hand in here
show up and speak about a few things.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
And obviously it's been a.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Bit of a downer of a week, and you might
even say big time on that with the political assassination
of Charlie Kirk. In full disclosure, I spent many years
with a station, the network that does air Charlie Kirks
did air Charlie Kirks radio program, so have been in
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Charlie Kirk's orbit for many years. I remember when he
came on and started his radio show. So obviously in
this little universe that we inhabit, this kind of thing
hits home. It's quite devastating, staggering, and you know it
makes you step back a little bit and offers some reflections.
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And anytime you start to speculate about what is happening
here or what is going on here, it's got to
be tentative and it can't really be exact. And you know,
there is somebody in custody that seems like there's a
pretty convincing set of evidence that that individual was most
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likely involved, but we don't know for sure. And people
will take time to speculate on the culture, what is
going on in our civilization that things like this can happen,
and a lot of that will be inexact too, But
yet we just have to take that in stride and.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Continue and offer commentary.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You know what, thoughts does it make us have to
be in the aftermath of this horrible, tragic, heartbreaking situation. Yes,
you're seeing some people seemingly on the left that seem
to be celebratory about this situation, and I generally prefer
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not to dwell on those kinds of individuals, but maybe
it should be brought up a little bit and make
you question the generalized inhumanity that characterizes much of our
politics today.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And would I say that that is more on the left, Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I would that might be my bias, but that is
my perspective, and I am proud to be able to
sit in here and offer that perspective of mine.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
As the show goes on, I would like to be
able to move.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
To other topics, some of them happier topics, some of
them lighter topics, and so we will get get through
to those items as the program goes on. But we
do need to address and you know, anybody who gets
near a microphone right now, I think it's an obligation
to talk about the scenario of what has happened with
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Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I should throw out a phone number.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
You are invited to check in with the Dan Kaplis
Show again, Matt Dunn sitting in the phone number three
oh three seven one three eight two five five. Should
you care to offer your perspective bit of commentary. Just
please know you are invited at any point in time. Also,
text messages to studio can come in at five seven,
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seven three nine, and we do read every one of those,
and we we love to see people chiming in and
keeping host and producers on track. Indispensable, especially when I'm around.
If I may say, but at any rate again heavy, somber,
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tragic and.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Just no way around it. You know, some of us
have been able.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
To meet Charlie Kirk over the years, wife got some
young kids.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
You've seen all of the photos.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Something has come out the somebody leaked the booking when
an individual of the name Tyler Robinson apprehended and booked.
And how much of this has been come out has
come out and been publicized, I do not know, but
I thought I just put a little bit of this
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out there. That's about eight pages of information that described
why Tyler Robinson was apprehended apparently turned in by his father.
And some people have been saying that this makes Tyler
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Robinson's father a somewhat positive or noble figure, even for
turning in his own son and not accepting the I
believe it was a one hundred thousand dollars reward from
the FBI.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
He refused to take that.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Some people are saying, well, no, this is not a
noble action because the father did know about it and
would have been arrested if it was found out that,
you know, he knew about what his son may have
done and did not turn him in, So that that
can be debated There's an interesting note, just a few
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notes from this that the suspect and this apparently is
from video camera footage at Utah Valley University on September tenth,
twenty twenty five, the day of the political assassination of
Charlie Kirk. Suspect quote, suspect walks with a distinctive gait.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Prior to these shooting.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Suspect appears to walk with a stiff right leg and at.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
A relatively slow pace.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Suspect's ability to bend his right leg appears.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
To be restricted. Now when you get video evidence.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And one thing that is interesting that video evidence of
an individual can really dial in on somebody's gates, somebody's stride,
how they move, and that can actually be pretty pretty
precise information and may be somewhat easy to be.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Be backed up with, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
After apprehending the suspect, apparently investigators discovered a bolt action
rifle wrapped in a dark colored tell and there have
been inscriptions found on a fired casing. And just to
read these inscriptions, quote notices bulge, owo, what's this? And
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then there were three unfired casings that read hey fascist catch.
Another unfired casing reads oh, bella chow, bellachow, bella chow,
and a third unfired casing. Again, this is from the
booking report. A third unfired casing reads quote If you
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read this, you are gay, lmao. End quote. And I'm
not going to sit here and be able to interpret
what any of those meanings are. But apparently there were
some some roommate of Tyler Robinson or family member talked
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about some history of engraving bullets. Okay, so that starts
to add up a little bit. And there is a
grade Dodge Challenger that Robinson apparently arrived at the UVU
campus a Greade Dodge Challenger, And there were sightings of
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this Dodge Challenger which apparently connects to Tyler Robinson. And
here's a takeaway point that I think is worth having
in the record. Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson,
who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years.
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The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson
came to dinner prior to September tenth, twenty twenty five,
and in conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie
Kirk was coming to UVU. They talked about why they
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didn't like him and the viewpoints he had. The family
member also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.
The family member also confirmed Robinson had a Gray Dodge
Challenger and I want to get back to that about
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hate that. The family member reported that Tyler Robinson stated
that Kirk was full of hate and was spreading hate.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And that is an.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Area to explore, and that you constantly see that in
the discourse, that if somebody objects to the opinions of
another person, they accuse them of being full.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Of hate, of being loaded with hate. And how often
have you heard.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
That that the hate phrase thrown out there? Which is
it's pretty extreme. When you step back and in this
moment we're in that you maybe see that in a
little bit of a different light. And if if the
people who step back and are accusing somebody of being
hateful and being full of hate, who who is doing
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the actual hating here? By uttering that or by thinking that?
Do you do you see what I mean with that
one last point before we had to break that and
this this this possibly you could you could have a
reading that indicates an accomplice. There was some some messages
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that were found and uh, stating a need to retrieve
a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in
a bush, messages related to visually watching the area where
a rifle was left, and a message referring to having
left the rifle wrapped in a towel. The way some
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people could read that is that was Tyler Robinson asking
for an accomplice to pick up that rifle. I'll go
into that more when we come back. It's you know,
heavy times, heavy times. I know it's been discussed quite
a bit already, but it's the kind of thing that
needs to be discussed right now. Very significant, very tragic matter.
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This is mad Don. I'm sitting in for Dan Capless
be right back.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
And now back to the Dan Kapless Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Or his big eighties hits, right, I think that's Robert
Palmer in the seventies.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
You're right, Wow, you nailed that.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, that would play for you.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
By the way, yes, oh okay, the listeners have a
bad case of loving you.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, it's it's bad. It's real bad, we tell you.
By the way, did you eat Jenni Phobiac over here?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
So I mean we're working through that a little bit,
you know, we are it's true my humble.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Gentle practice of dentistry.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Here, did Ryan indicate an opinion from you on Mannheim
Steamroller versus Trans Siberian Orchestra. I just I was just
going to venture out one thing that both of those
groups seem universally popular and everybody loves them, like everybody,
But for whatever reason, I can't seem to get into
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either one of those groups.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I can't do it, and it kind of makes me
think some things that matter with me because I seem
to be the only one I don't like their stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Well, Mannheim Steamroller is really big with Rush Limbaugh. They're
a big supporter of sponsor of his show and he
loves them. Yes, so full marks to them, as the
Canadians might say. Now Trans Siberian Orchestra. I just interviewed
Al Petrelli, who is one of the guys behind the
scenes with that, and they've been together for what thirty
odd years or whatnot, And then this texter just sent it.
(12:50):
This is what started the conversation. Ryan tso sucks like
yacht rock after too many coffees, to which I said
that actually sounds awesome.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I want to enjoy yacht rock after too many coffees?
How do you feel about yacht rock?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Doctor don I admit that there was a time when
I couldn't bear yacht rock, but now I think I've
gotten older. I like it, you know, if you will
like Doobie Brothers in their mellow eighties phase, you know,
I love it.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And who was there.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Was some comedian who popularized that, right and you know
you got to have the yacht rock playlist. Jimmy Fallon,
I believe he started that whole deal. And there's there's
a vibe to that that I think is helpful, you know,
to our existence, to to just you know, catch the
yacht rock wave here and there. So I just want
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to do, by the way, just summarize that that that
booking was submitted.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
By a Brian Davis on Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And there was apparently an app, a communication app or
a messaging app called Discord in which the a roommate
off Tyler Robinson was showing messages from Tyler Robinson to authorities,
and it had the messages about engraving bullets. It had
a message about Tyler mentioning that he had changed outfits
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and about some need to retrieve a rifle in the bushes,
which I don't know, maybe you know, you could, you
could say that there could been accomplices of some sort,
and again all of that is speculation and the other
kinds of speculation here. I mean, I guess you would
say political assassinations are not a new thing that goes
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back throughout human history. You can go back to ancient Rome,
and you can come all the way from them to
them to now, and you can't just say, well, wow,
human nature is really bad right now, or suddenly politics
is worse than it ever has been. But it sure
is tempting to want to do that, is it not?
And if I were to sit back, you know what
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thoughts come into my mind? I mean, one of the
quotes that I just read from this booking affidavit that
apparently Tyler Robinson says that quote Kirk was full of
hate and spreading hate. And it seems where did we
get to this point in our culture that you know,
if you disagree on political matters, that you can't just
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disagree and who you disagree with is instantly dehumanized. Is
not like a legitimate viewpoint, it's a hate viewpoint, or
it's a fascist viewpoint.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Or go down the list.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
It's a bit of dehumanization has occurred in our discourse,
and it seems to me, you know, Charlie Kirk's debater,
he would go out and use words and debate and
engage audiences all over America. Thousands and thousands of people
did this for many years, and a belief in debate
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and a belief in you know what that can entail,
and a chance to talk things through, talk it out
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
But is our society able to do that anymore?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You have to ask that at moments like these, can
we debate anymore without it instantly going to oh that's hate,
Oh that's fascism. And my childhood I feel like growing up,
I remember the debates. You know, there were actually debates
like Ronald Reagan would debate Jimmy Carter on tax policy,
higher taxes, lower tax or the size of government. You know,
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make arguments you should government be bigger, should government be smaller?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You know, debate the Panama Canal? Should we keep that
or should we get rid of the.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Panama We used to have discussions in which people's words
would matter and would maybe influence the outcomes or influence
the thoughts of people who would be voting in elections
or trying to find their own way politically and decide
what their values are, what makes.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Sense to them. Does that happen anymore? Do arguments actually work?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Does making a case actually move the needle at all?
And I feel like, you know, you watched the last
series of debates, and you know, I'm a maga pro
Trump individual, and I feel like he would get up
there and make arguments and make the case for his policies.
But then you know, and his debating opponents would tend
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to shoot.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
It down, is you know, with the name calling and so.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Forth, and there wouldn't you wouldn't say it was an
actual debate. And you could go watch the debates of JFK.
Nixon nineteen sixty, I believe, and you would see like, wow,
I mean, these are substantial discussions that would have been
had back in those days. Or you know, you can
sit down, as I've done and read the Lincoln Douglas
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debates and wow, the level of discussion that was had
eighteen fifty eight, eighteen fifty nine in this country, and
the subtlety and the grace with which they delivered their
statements and made their political arguments. We have fallen pretty
far from that, but Charlie Kirk was out there doing it,
still doing it. What maybe is something that is becoming
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harder and harder to do in our civilization? And honored
to see phone lines lighting up. And I should say,
by the way, three three seven one, three eight two
five five. But when you see somebody say, oh, that
person is hateful, that person is full of hate, that
person's ideas are hate, I would submit to you that
the person that has that reflex to accuse opponents of hate,
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there is hate in that individual's mind that has been
perhaps influenced thro would you say, brainwashed into thinking that
that is the case. And Elon Musk, I think kind
of a controversial guy. He says, quote at its heart,
wokeness is divisive, exclusionary, and hateful. It basically gives mean
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people a shield to be mean and cruel, armored in
false virtue. So if this tyler Rob says, hey, Charlie
Kirk is full of hate, he gets to feel like, hey,
you know, I'm on the I'm on the good team,
and I can do what I want right, I can
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do what I want to say because I'm on the
right side, and I know who the haters are.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Do you see how this works? All right?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
It's Matt Dunn in for Dan Capliss. If you're on
the phone lines, hang on a sec. Let's start chatting.
When we come around the corner.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Be right back.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Everything just goes away.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
How would you if you could be associated with one thing,
how would you want to be remembered. I want to
be I want to be remembered for for courage from
my faith.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That would be the most important thing. The most important
thing is my faith in my life.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
There is Charlie Kirk two months ago describing how he
would like to be remembered if he was no longer living.
And I think that's pretty apt, and I think that's
how he will be remembered, A courageous man of faith
who was bringing yes his opinions into different communities, into
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young people all around this country. But is enough of
this country able to engage in conversation and discussion and
have those kinds of moments?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Are we still able to do that? And you have
to ask that right now.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I will soon offer my diagnosis and my opinions and
the genesis of this kind of thing, course speculation.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
But I have my ideas.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
And by the way, talking about how people are always
accusing others of being full of hate, do you ever
see those bumper stickers that say coexist on them? For
a while, you would see them all the time. I
recently saw one the other day. But I do say
this that I I just sometimes wonder if the people
with the co exist bumper stickers are the ones that
are actually the meanest ones, Like, really mean? How many
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times have you been cut off by somebody or ast
out of a parking spot by somebody with a co
exist bumper sticker? I feel like, you know, they're the
holier than down individuals. They know what's right and wrong,
and everybody else is misguided and full of hate, and
they are noble, But actually could.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
They be kind of mean? Just wondering.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Matt Dunn in for Dan Capliss here, honored to be in.
Let's go to the phone lines and say hello to
Mike in Pueblo. Mike, thank you for checking in. What's
on your mind?
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Sir?
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Every radio talk show I listened to, every host, every
co host asks the same question that you asked earlier,
why all this political idiocy and all this violence, this
is just the beginning. This is all punishment from God
for sin. And it's talked about in diable prophecy in
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the Old and New Testament, and it's going to get
a whole lot worse.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So are you saying with Ecclesiastes there's nothing new.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Under the sun?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
It was, I'm saying it was.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
What makes you think it's only the beginning and going
to get worse?
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Would you say, Mikeel Bible Bible prophecy says, so we're
in the last days. The Bible says that at least
one person will be left who is here when Israel
became a nation, when the Second Coming occurs, So that's
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not very long from now. And Bible prophecy is for
the future. Some of it was for the Old Testament,
but much, if not most, of it is for their future,
which is our future and our present.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Well fair enough, would you say it would have been
fair to make the same assumption or point after the
assassination of Abraham Lincoln or John F. Kennedy, or the
assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan, assassination attempt on Donald Trump,
I just I wonder if it's maybe a little quick
to jump to that conclusion, given that you know, human history,
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Western culture history.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
You know, has had more than its.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Share of political assassinations all the way alive.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
The Bible is never wrong, and I'm not talking about
political violence only. I'm talking about all the social violence
as well. And if the Bible's right, and the Bible
is never wrong about the second Coming occurring when there's
at least one person still alive from nineteen forty eight,
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well then it's going to be very soon. And the
Bible says it's going to get a whole lot worse
than this. And where does it say that, nations of Israel,
which is vainly Canada, Britain, the US, and Israel.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Where does it just do you have a passage that
says it's going to get worse. I'm just trying to
think of where that is.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Okay, But Mike, I see your point, and I see
how how one could could draw those conclusions. And I
would say I'm not necessarily there on that scenario, but
I would just say, Mike, thank you for sharing that,
and I do thank you for probably speaking for quite a.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Few people with your with your points there.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So Mike Pueblau, thank you for checking in the phone
number three oh three seven one three eight two five
five the text line five seven seven three nine. And
it is always a bit challenging in my opinion, you know,
to start drawing conclusions when an event happens, and we
tend to.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Obviously it occupies most all of our.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Present consciousness and we start extrapolating from there. But how
have we gotten here to the point where it? I
would say that we know that debate is rougher in
this country. Politically it's tougher. It's rougher. I feel like
there's more name calling, there's less civilization. It's not like
(25:16):
Bill Buckley, you know, debating any leftist foe that comes along,
like John Galbraith, and they're making their sophisticated arguments with
one another, and they're using big long words and everything,
and the audience is following every word. That's not our
discourse anymore. Where did we lose that? What causes the
(25:37):
loss of that? You know, you could make a case
that's kind of a dumbing down of the society, a
little bit of a you know, somehow in some ways,
a lesser educated or a lesser sophisticated general political audience.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I think one thing that really.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Pops into my mind that I think is a nexus
of political violence is a rule class feeling like it
is losing power. Again, just speculation here, but when a
political class starts to feel like its power base is threatened,
especially after it has been in power for a long time,
(26:15):
they start to get very very concerned about that and
even panicky about that. And if this ruling class tends
to have a lot of leverage in the media, or
control of the levers of propaganda, essentially control of what
you might call the mainstream media, then they can start
feeding out that propaganda that reflects their own deep concerns
(26:37):
about losing power and a tendency to dehumanize their political opposition.
Do you remember Joe Biden going on stage. I mean
it was September twenty twenty two, and he had that
red backdrop and he was accusing Maga of the utmost
extremism and using the word fascism, and.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
He had such a harsh in his tone.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
It seemed to me that, I mean, that's that's kind
of the embodiment of the individuals on top who are
getting worried about losing their power, and they ramp it up,
they put it out through the airwaves, and a lot
of people will get quite susceptible to that. And you
could say that academia does as well, apparently as Tyler Robinson,
if he is, you know, truly the perpetrator here, which
(27:24):
we can't say for sure, was a straight a student
in the academic world. Another thing I think that is
pretty significant. When we interact politically, we constantly have our screens.
We kind of like live in a virtual reality. There's
kind of a disconnect, there's kind of an abstraction, excessive
(27:45):
hyper abstraction to our interactions. It's not face to face anymore, right,
and where we're not like shaking hands, we're not necessarily
interacting from human to human, but from words to words
in some kind of a filter, some kind of a screen,
some kind kind of a platform like that, which I
think tends to take quite a bit out of it,
(28:09):
tends to promote a kind of an extremity and more
of a facility with dehumanizing people who disagree with you.
And that is rampant, obviously, And there has also been
a sense, and this is something I have noticed all
the way along that it is somehow not okay anymore
to have disagreements, that's somehow not okay that somebody might
(28:31):
disagree with you at least. And I will say that
this seems to be more on the left than the right.
You could say that, you know, both parties or both
orientations will have that tendency to a certain extent, but
on the left, I mean, when did it become, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Not okay to disagree?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
And as a you know, I feel like one of
the quotes that motivated me a Voltaire go back to
France Enlightenment France quote, I prove of what you say,
but I will defend to the death your right to
say it.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
End quote.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Somehow that that viewpoint, which I think used to animate
our culture and our discourse and our civilization for so
long has been lost. How did we lose that? And
it has evolved into cancel culture. My anybody who disagrees
with me.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Is full of hate and so forth.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
And you know, it's very subtle how you can build
up a civilization that has a lot of subtlety and
a lot of a lot of virtue in it, and.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
It can sort of erode how and why more on
these thoughts in just a moment.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's Matt Dunn sitting in for Dan Camplus you have
Thoughts three oh three seven one, three eight.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Two five five and now back to the Dan Kaplas
Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Oh man, who was the co writer? You know what?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
You are deep in this stuff just like I could
you look that up real quick if you do it
right now?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Kell? Yeah, who co wrote this song? What a fool?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Believe a great trivia question because they wrote it together
and the person who was starting out writing it hit
a dead end in the composition of the song and
wanted to go over and get some help from Michael McDonald.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
They might work together. Is it Kenny Loggins? I think
it is Kenny Loggins.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
That sounds like a really good guest.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Like if you were making a multiple choice question with
four answers, Kenny Loggins would certainly be one of them.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yes, you are correct, Sir Kenny Loggins. Guess who I'm
playing next now? And you know I did not know
you were going to play that song.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
So this gives me a chance to go into the
all this musical trivia that's still floating around in my brain.
So Kenny Loggins wrote this song, and he couldn't finish it.
He couldn't quite pull it together. And he drove over
to his buddy Michael McDonald's house and got into the driveway,
got out of his car, opened the door, and he
heard Michael McDonald down playing some sort of music in
(31:00):
his own house, playing on the piano, and instantly into
Kenny logins head, the song snapped together.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
It just all completed.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
And so they went down and they worked on it.
Then they fixed the song. They had it all together.
And so the Doobie Brothers, I believe released the song
first in their own way, and then Kenny Loggins released
his own version his way later. And Kenny Loggins is
the first to admit that the Doobie Brothers version is better.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
He said that one was better.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And of all the Doobie Brothers songs, for whatever reason,
that is their most downloaded song exactly. I like their
older songs better, you know, Like, what's the listen to
the music, which is I think an immortally perfect pop
song from the seventies, more in their southern rock phase,
correct their roots anyway, So if you ever listened to
(31:54):
the Loggins version of that, I think you'll agree it's
not as good anyway. So that's our yacht rock installment
here today. One note I wanted to work and a
get Matt Dunn in for Dan caplis that I have
just heard word of the passing of a friend of
(32:15):
our talk radio community, a longtime friend here in the
Denver metro area, great American, Eric Manning.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
And I believe this happened last week. And Eric Manning
is somebody.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Who I got to know very well over the years,
and you know, got to visit in person, meet his wife,
meet his daughter, speak with on air countless times, hundreds
and Eric Manning African American, and you go back to
twenty sixteen when MAGA was just getting off the ground,
and Eric Manning African America loved Donald Trump from moment
(32:51):
one from the escalator, and he was very vocal about it,
and he would he would keep me informed about what
he was up to. He would go down to the
barber shop in Denver and the Stapleton area, hang out
in the barber shop and be chatting with many of
his good.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Longtime friends.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
And back in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, they were all
hostile to Donald Trump, and they got pretty annoyed at
Great American Eric for trying to preach about the virtues
of Donald Trump to them. He said that it was dicey,
it was tough, but they were all friends and they
you know, they would.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Work it through.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
But he kept updating me and that as the years
went by and he'd go into the barber shop, that
there was more and more of the clientele there that
were becoming pro Maga pro Maga.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
And then by the time the twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Election comes around, Eric was in the majority at the
barber shop and he had gotten his work completed there.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
And I just have to say, you know how much
courage that takes to do that.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You remember what it was like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen
to be saying anything that was somehow pro Maga or
legitimizing of Maga. I mean, it was hysterical opposition from
all quarters.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
In the media.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
And to be an African American out there so vocal
about it, I mean he.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Took some heat.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
He took some heat, but such a fun, loving, good natured,
good souled individual that you know, even people who might
be disagreeated, they couldn't they couldn't get mad at great
American Eric, And so if I could just offer a
few words of prayer condolence to the wonderful family of
(34:44):
great American Eric Manning, and a big salute to his involvement,
you know, in politics and showing up at political events
and making his voice heard throughout this Denver metro area
and beyond. And he always wore the best suits when
I would see him out in public.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
He had the best suits.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Dapper, good looking fella. And he also made very good
burritos which he would bring into the radio studio.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
He would keep you supplied. Oh wow. And I guess.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Kelly, you may have some background with Eric, or you
guys might know this individual a little bit.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm probably taught to him over fifty times, yeah,
over all of the shows that I've covered.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
And he's just a great person.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
I mean, the first thing he always says when you
know I answered the phone, Hello, Kelly, you great American.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Ryan, great American.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I got a little impression of him that I'm going
to keep going. And we certainly missed him. I got
that news yeah, when I was still in Florida from
our mutual colleague stuff in Todds, And it just broke
my heart. I knew he was struggling with stage four cancer, yes, yeah,
but he was a great American, truly, truly a great
American that that kind of courage and that kind of
(36:01):
you know.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Just seeing it before everybody else saw it.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
And I could debate him on politics and that, you know,
he would dredge up all kinds of details that I
would learn all kinds of stuff from. And I'm the
kind of person who's been in those weeds my whole life. Anyway,
Prayers to the Manning family. Great American, Eric, big salute
to you.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Be right back.
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