December 16, 2025 • 35 mins
Nate Marsh, Senior Deputy District Attorney with George Brauchler in the 23rd judicial district - where G-Brauch presides as DA - joins with an update on their department's successes and his future career plans.
A caller very fond of George lavishes him with praise, prompting George to wonder if his father called the program.
A caller very fond of George lavishes him with praise, prompting George to wonder if his father called the program.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
George Brocker filling in for Dan Caplas. You got me
till six o'clock tonight. We've had a great first hour.
By the way, good phone calls.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
You can join them. Three zero three seven one three
eighty two fifty five. That's three zero three seven one
three A two five five or and we've had a
bunch of text activity here.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Got to start it with Dan like this one, Dan,
Why is George doing the Steve Riems show?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Ryan? Ryan off Air thought that that was likely Steve.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
But I said, he can't spell out, and there's no
AI that's going to get him there. He's got a
spell GPT to get to chat GPT. I don't think
it's going to happen. Love that guy. A lot of
folks weighing in on this public safety thing, the Victor
Marx thing. I want to just take a moment before
we bring up our great guest here in just one
second to announce great news. Just got the text during
(01:06):
the break here between the last hour in this one,
we had a big case going on for us. It
was a sex assault case, seventeen counts that included sexual assault, strangulation, drugging,
all that kind of stuff for separate victims. Jury just
came back guilty on all seventeen counts.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
You should know when we're talking about public safety, that
ain't none of those charges mandatory prison. If you can imagine,
that doesn't mean this guy isn't going to get prison.
He's going to get prison. He got remanded after the
jury came back and found him guilty. But we have
a state where you can be convicted of seventeen counts
of sex assault, strangulation, drugging, etc. And still have the
(01:53):
potential to walk out of the courtroom. At the time
you're sensing that is crazy. That team that includes it's
a chief deputy district attorney named Daniel Harramio, although if
you know the story, it's actually Jeremilo. They have another
awesome member of that team who's going to join us
on the phone line right now. His name is Nate
marsh Nate, thanks.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
For joining us.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Thanks so much for having me, George, I appreciate.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It, buddy. Great news on that case.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Oh, it's incredible. That team is a rock star team
and that trial team they put in so much work,
so much EFROS watching just kind of what they're doing,
and that's an incredible outcome for our victims. They just
wish we could promise them that he's going to go
to prison. But just like you talked about there, this
legislature is giving us that they're love of these offenders.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Now, listen, you know it better than others, because at
least for this year, I think you're the most trial
going prosecutor we've had in the twenty third. Danielle could
be right there after this one.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You probably know the numbers better, but you though have
a special niche where you can feel some of these
failures in the law, and that is you do all
the domestic violence stuff. You also prosecuted with me. They
repeat drunk driver who maliciously, in my opinion, killed Lieutenant
Colonel Anderson out there off a plumb creek at that
(03:13):
seven to eleven. So you've been there and done that.
That's my way one of building you up, but two
asking why don't you want to keep doing this full time?
Why are you trying to find another job?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Well, well, Georgia, I'm trying to find another job, not
because you're not an awesome boss and an awesome prosecutor
who wants to fight for victims, but because I want
to take that fight for victims to the legislature. And
so I'm also running for the State House and Highlands
Ranch that's that northern Douglas County. Currently it's Bob Marshall's seat.
But I'm tired of telling victims, hey, call your legislator,
(03:46):
and that phone just keeps ringing, and when it finally
does get picked up, they say, oh, no, we need
to make sure that we make a more friendly state
for your abuser. And so these are the people that
we fight for, are the most vulnerable, their children, women
in domestic violence situations. And to hear a legislature say hey, no,
we care more about your abuser, I couldn't do it anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, listen, I get that. And folks probably don't appreciate
this either. For the time that you're out of the
office and we're going to try to keep you on obviously,
when you're not doing the legislative voodoo stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
It's a pay cut, man.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I don't know if you've done the math, but you're
not making more money going to work under the gold Dome.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
No, it's definitely a pay cut. But the fact of
the matter is is that these victims deserve better, and
the people of Islands Ranch deserve better than what we're
getting right now. And so sometimes you take a pay
cut to do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Are you going to be able to pull this off?
And I don't ask that skeptically, I'm asking that as
someone if you're out there listening right now and you
realize we have a pretty significant deficit in the House
in terms of d's and rs and buddy, I can't
even remember what that number is, but we have one
twenty two, twenty two, sweet mother of goodness, man, out
of sixty five, we have a twenty two.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Oh, buddy, but we you know said six years ago, eight.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Years ago, we're going to elect a Democrat to the
State House out of Highlands Ranch or anywhere in Douglas County.
People would have thought you were nuts. But now we've
done it, and we've re elected this guy.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Why do you think you're going to pull this thing off?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Man, But we're going to pull this thing off because
this campaign is focused on two things. It's focused on
affordability and it's focused on public safety. These are the
things that the people in Highlands Ranch care about the most,
and these are the things that are hurting real people.
It's the fact that the legislature is spending more and
more and more, and yet we're ranked with forty third
in the country in our roads, forty seventh or forty ninth,
(05:38):
depending on what you what metric you look at in
public safety, and we're the sixth most regulated state in
the entire country. And so we're gonna we're gonna win
this and we're gonna pull this off because we're going
to focus on those real families and Highlands Ranch, not
the these kind of ideas and these philosophies that are
coming out of the capitol right now. We're going right
to the people.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Every elected legislator gets five bills, five titles that they
can pull and then if you're in the majority or
you get the permission of the speaker something, you might
be able to get more. Do you have some sense
of where you want to go with one or more
of the titles that you would get if you pull
this off.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yeah, I've got a couple things, and especially with public
safety here, I really want to readdress this cashless bail
because what I'm hearing and what I'm hearing from business
owners as well as our law enforcement communities, we're playing
catch and release. And some of this is the retail
theft because we have the lowest or we have some
of the highest I'm sorry levels for a felony theft
in the country, and that what we end up doing
(06:37):
is people start shoplifting, they get caught, they get released,
they get caught, they get released, they get caught, they
get released, and what that ends up doing is that's
costing the state and that's costing our consumers close to
two point seven billion dollars because we have this catch
and release policy. And so our sheriffs are doing great work,
especially in Douglas County Sheriff Weekly doing great work, but
he's fighting with one hand tied behind his back. This
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just is it's hurting our businesses. It's also hurting us economically.
So that would be one thing we need to definitely
look at. The second thing is one that I know
they're kind of We've got some legislators from Douglas County
they're helping out, But we got to really look at
the strangulation and bill and this is one thing that
is near and dear to me as I prosecute a
lot of these domestic violence cases. This is the act
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of taking someone's breath away, literally telling them I control
whether you live or whether you die. That's the act.
And you know what, it's probation eligible taking someone's breath
away from them.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It's crazy because it is such an intimate crime. Stabbing
is an intimate crime. Shooting is less intimate, depending upon
where you're at. But the choking thing, you think about that, man,
you've got to wrap your fingers around someone's throat or
your arm or whatever and watch them struggle to breathe
and all the things that follow that. And people may
(07:55):
not know this if you haven't ever been in this
game or seen someone that struggled to breathe.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
It leads to not just the patiki and the eyes
rolling back on the head.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But you know it better than anybody, Nate the incontinence,
the body starting to just lose the ability to do
anything as it struggles for air, and our legislature says,
you can do that and walk out of the courtroom.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
And what you hear from victims of this actually, and
this is also I've got great stats on this is
most of the time, especially in these domestic bonnce contexts,
you ask a victim who's been strangled, You ask them
what is the last thing that's going through your mind
right before they black out? Almost almost universally, what they're
saying is I saw my kid's face. My kid's going
(08:38):
to grow up without me. What am I going to
do for my kid? And that's the last thing they're thinking.
And our legislature right now says, nope, that's okay. And
we've had cases where we've gone to trial, Ben Victorious,
the victim has come forward, put their story forward, and
then what they hear is that their abuser needs to
go work on their demons.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And oh my god, you are talking about a recent case.
Oh well, you know, speaking of that.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
And I don't want to get you any hot water,
But are there discussions at all with the leadership of
the republic Never happened with the dams boards the Republicans
about any sort of judicial reform.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
You know, I think that a lot of people are
looking to have the judges that are more representative of
what the people are wanting, and really that's hard to
do because they're a separate branch. What they're definitely looking
for for people for citizens who want to get involved
to beyond this Judicial Performance Review Committee. They're all across
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the state where it does give the people more information
about these judges that are appointed by the governor and
then take the bench. But the people have a say
and they can vote whether they want to retain or not.
But we need more people that are aware of what's
going on and want to be active in these kind
of committees and these commissions. That's one of the things
(09:53):
that I would.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Really say, we buy and large have a decent bench,
but I just don't think people understand the process to
be coming a judge. How little input there is from
the DA's office on any of that. I'll give people
a spoiler alert. Example, the twenty third Judicial District Judicial
Nominating Commission has absolutely no prosecutor or I think member
(10:14):
of law enforcement on it. However, the head of the
Public Defender's Office is on that commission. Now I happen
to like r I think he's a good dude. But
as you can imagine, we don't agree on what makes
a good judge. That just tells you and the governor
points into those positions, that just tells you the lopsided
nature of this. So, you know, until we start winning
(10:34):
back some races years included, Nate, I just don't think
we're in a position to demand too much from the judges.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah. I couldn't agree more. And I think that what
we really need to do is win these races, because
what we can start doing then is start changing some
of these laws and actually stop some of these really
terrible laws, these offender friendly laws, and really start putting
the focus back on the victims of crime, the real
people who got hurt, who didn't ask for any of
these things to happen to them. And really that's where
(11:02):
the focus needs to be, and that's the focus of
my race, is putting this spot like back on the
victims of these crimes, not wondering how we can just
hug their abusers.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Nate Marsh running for House District forty three there in
Highlands Ranch. If people wanted to know more about you,
figure out a way to volunteer time or volunteer their dollars,
which I know you need.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
How do they do that?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah? Absolutely. The easiest way there is to go to
my website. That's Nate for Colorado dot com. That's Nat E.
F O R Colorado dot com. You can learn more
about me. There's a way to contribute. Look that this
message is important. This race is going to be one
of the tightest in the state, and so the only
way that message goes out is through through funding. But
(11:43):
that's Nate for Colorado dot Com.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Nate, I want you to win this, but as I
said yesterday at the event you had, it hurts me,
you know, because the office loses one of its best
and certainly most prolific trial attorneys while you go do this.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
But honestly, we need you at the legislature.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So man, I hope you pull the thing off. Thanks
for making time tonight to chat with us.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Awesome, Thanks, George, I really appreciate it. Good luck with
the rest of the show.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Thanks brother.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That's not Natemar, she's a senior Deputy DA in the
fight in twenty third Judicial District.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
We're gonna come back and get to your text.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
There's a bunch of them, but keep them coming five seven, seven,
three nine, or give us a call three h three
seven one three eighty two of fifty five. My name
is George Brockler. I'm filling in for Dan Campelis on
the Dankaplas Show.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Love the Holiday music right here on the Dan Kaplas Shore.
George Brockler filling in for Dan. I also miss the
I can't remember who the two women were now Jan
Hooks and someone else from Satite Live when they sang
dong go the bells dingo the best so many bells,
Oh my god, the bells. You know that kind of thing.
I will find that. Yeah, play that coming back from
next Breadkhast. I'm so glad you referenced that. But George,
(12:48):
have you seen TS two the O in concert Trans
Siberian Orchestra. I have not seen them in commage?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Oh man, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, first time for me about a month ago, and
I was blown away.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I you know, you hear the stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
It sounds cool, the production, the lasers, all they do it.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Ballerina.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Okay, that's legit. Oh yeah, that's ballerina. It was top shelf.
My man, Wow, good stuff that is. That's something I've
wanted to do of YouTube a little bit of the
stuff that I can, but I just have never been
to the actual show. It really it defies descriptions. Somebody
can tell you about it, but until you see it
yourself firsthand, it's not even the same thing.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
That sounds a lot like Prison's. Oh no, George, why
hey listen?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Now?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Coming up tomorrow, of course, the show is going to
be helm by somebody named Heidi Ganal you know, or
better as Jason's.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Wife Jason of course.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Wow, GQ Barbecue, buddy, I'm telling I don't know how
you top that. I mean, look, Heidie's a dominant force
in Colorado, but Jason's got the meat.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Secret weapon though at GQ. Yeah, the Apple slaw, that stuff.
You know what, I'm gonna go do that now. Oh
it's so good.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
On Thursday, somebody named Esteban Rams is going to be
on here. Steve is I believe Steve's actually the correct
pronunciation of the first name is does he have legal
status in this country? Many people you know, that's a
great question. As many people know Steve is one of
the many dogcatchers up in the World County area, and
(14:18):
he does a really good job.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Actually, Steve is a great sheriff.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I still got we got to do a reunion thing
on this at some point, Ryan, We've got to get
him back on the show with me, or me back
on the show with him at some point.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Would love it. Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And then of course on Friday, KBB, you know, or
her as Christy Burton Brown. That's Colorado, the notorious KBB. Oh,
the notorious KBB. Like is that like instead of big
That's right, yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Right on. I think that's great.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
So many similarities between her and the big biggy Smalls.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Listen, there's some so much stuff I want to read,
you guys, but listen these texts. I want to honor
the texters and the callers three o three seven one
three eight two five five three or three seven one
three eighty two to fifty five. But the text line
five seven seven three nine, it's just that easy. Five
seven seven three nine. Here's one latest advice from James Carvill.
It's the crime stupid. I wish that were true. I
(15:07):
want that to be true. Here's one George we complained
about the Tina Peter sentence. It's been said she could
have gotten twenty years. Who came up with those sentencing
guidelines in the first place, Who comes up with the
sentencing guidelines for anything in the first place? The legislature?
What body does this? The answer is a big fat yes.
It is one hundred percent the legislature and whatever discretion
they build into it. After that, it becomes a judge's decision.
(15:29):
None of the charges that Tina was convicted of required
mandatory prisoner, even mandatory consecutive sentences. The nine was a
combination of things like that. I can't remember now which
charges got which sentences, but that's how it got to nine.
It's all legislator driven. Here's another one. Trump is no fool.
The more he acts like he can't do something like
the boat's video, he's trying to draw people in and
(15:50):
shame them. Is it George Brockler or Anderson Cooper? That
one hurts That hits me right in my heart because
horrific fire four years ago in our vett At this
time a year, I'm hearing Excel may bring down your
power in areas on the West Side.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
We put up with this all the time in New Mexico.
Thank you for listening. By the way from New Mexico.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, I'm horrified to hear that the wind that is
supposed to actually be the renewable energy is the source
of us actually losing the energy for Excel.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
There's been a bunch of briefings.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I haven't been able to get to down at the
county to talk about what this looks like.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Ryan.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Maybe you're not going to be on the air tomorrow
because there won't be any power. You guys will have
to like, I don't know if you guys have a
generator or something, gas fille decent.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Wait, what is up with that?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Are we trying to California or Colorado with this one too?
I don't know, man, But these guys, because they got
sued for screwing up the fires up north a few
years ago, now they're like, well, we don't want to
risk it, so of course we're going to have to
turn off your power so we don't get sued. I
feel like the Excel experiment is failing. I don't know.
Maybe you feel differently. Three h three seven one three
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eighty two fifty five. Here's one tell me about Judge
Matthew Barrett and Mason County, and his record is DA. Oh,
the machines have an effect on elections at a time
till only twenty two Republicans aka frog in a pot
of water. I do think man, Colorado has changed so
much over the last ten years, maybe by design, maybe
a little bit by accident. Especially, you know, back in
(17:12):
twenty twelve when we voted to regulate recreational marijuana. I
think that was really the beginning of the end in
terms of the demographics and the shift. Matthew Barrett don't
know that guy, but I know it's background a little bit.
He was a prosecutor up in the fourteenth Judicial District,
then prosecutor in the ninth where he became the prosecutor
of the year one year, became a chief deputy district attorney,
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which is a big deal. That means you're supervising the
other prosecutors and handling the big cases.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And then he got a pointed to the bench.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I don't know him beyond that, I'm just saying this
is a guy who's prosecution minded the DA. Of course,
Dan Rubinstein out in Mason County is also a Republican
and a career prosecutor. Who's also been Prosecutor of the
Year in Colorado. For whatever those things are worth, and
they matter to me, I'm a little biased. Listen, when
we come back, I promise I'm going to get to
the Victor Marx and Phil Wiser discussion here of what
(18:01):
they're gonna do. Are we out at thirty my front?
Is there music? Or am I just gone in like
three seconds? Two seconds?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
There's gonna be music right there. You just now you
called it, You see, I knew what was coming.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
The question was when you resided it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah. Yeah, I was trying to read the back cover
and I screwed the whole thing up. Listen, when we
come back, little Victor Marx, little Phil Weiser, little public
Safety and you at five seven, seven, three nine three
or three fifty five George brockwa I'm the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
This is just so sweet of all of you.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
You know, when we think of Christmas, we think of
one thing.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Yeah, maybe you do too elseing bing bing bang boa
Just do those say those friendly tis.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Right ahead with you and you and you outside the
sum is calling your friends.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Are calling you him.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I'm serious, seriously, seriously, I'm gonna get serious for a
minute and say that looks like my sister slash bride
to be is founder fellow.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
For that, I'm very happy, although.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
It's not going to be too easy being the lone
ranger out there on the range by myself. But you know,
may sound corny, but there's a word in this business, people,
and that word is support.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
And this girl has given me nothing but from the
get going.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
I mean that, Well, I'm only one, kids, He's not.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Getting for Christmas the gift of gab.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
You've got that already, guilty.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
You see that dingle feats dangle around the clock, Yeah,
I mean it's same mangle and the jangle like feats.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
That's the jangle belt.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
That's the jingle belt, that's the jangle bell.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Bells. I'm about Tommy Draking spirits bright like Ted.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
What's a lack of sing a slang song to me?
Sleigh bell thirty go my.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Ta alight the.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Same, a beautiful side? What happened tonight?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
What nele to under lad? Take it down?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
The bell super bell reas Christmas?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
The suit.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Hear them read?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
And are you calling a dingalay?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It's about.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
To the bells. Here come the bells.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Don com about so many mouths christ the same Christmas
A grandfather, Moll Thoms, come my son.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Little very very very very Christmas, very very very crazy
Christmas Eve and on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
That live used to be so awesome. I'd like that
to be a ring tone. Wow, the great Ryan shuling
right there with a great find on really no notice
amidst all the other stuff. Listen, give us a call.
Three oh three seven three eighty two fifty five. We've
got David from Denver on the phone line. David, thanks
for calling in.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Man? Oh my gosh, I just heard your voice, and
it's just so refreshing before Christmas, just to hear someone
was so intelligent, so smart, and you know I did.
It's just great hear your voice. I just want to
say that you're so funny. I mean, it's just you're
(23:08):
so intelligent. I mean, it's just amazing. And who is
this your brother law?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
No, I'm just a listeners feel good.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Listening and it's just so good to hear your voice.
And gosh, you got to get her what David?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
The only thing I was going to say is the
only thing that could make this whole thing better in
the experience is wonderful.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Thank you. I really am honored.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Is if on Thursday you call in and say the
exact same thing about me to Steve Reims. That would
really make the Christmas spirit I think, really surge.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Okay? Oh?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Great?
Speaker 4 (23:44):
And how about the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders if they could
be there with that.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I think I see where you're going with this, David,
because I watching the show.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
That is a long story anyway, Seriously, a call back then.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, call back then, yeah, yeah, sometime between four and six,
seven and three three or three seven, three eighty two
fifty five, and let Steve know that today was your
favorite day of the week in terms of me being
on the show, and how wonderful if you can just
tell him those things. It's not stuff that he doesn't
hear every day anyway. I just think it would be great.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
To hear it on the radio. Well do thank you
for this. Merry Christmas, my man.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Hey, more calls like David's from Denver that I didn't
know what was going on there, Brian, when.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You come on, I gotta go to bath for sheriff freemeser.
It's that like g Brock needs the ego boost do
I am fragile.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I'm fragile. Listen, I lost to Phil Wiser in twenty eighteen.
That's that's the kind of victimization.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
You know what I needed.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I needed to be rescued from that by Victor Marx.
But I don't think anyway. Look, let me uh, here's
where we'll go with this. Let me start off with this.
We were going through each of the gubernatorial candidates positions
on public safety, and there's two of them that stand
out for having something fleshy and detailed substant of all that.
One of them is a guy named Big Phil Wiser
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from Colorado, and he beat me back in twenty eighteen. Listen, George,
by the fourth or fifth car theft that we got
to do something about it, probably some time.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Hang on those car thefs how all have to be
within two or three months?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I don't know if you heard the qualifier, like if
you do it in a lifetime, I don't know why
you're not allowed to keep hanging out.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
But three months that's too many. We're gonn have to
do something.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
This is a guy that's just so ill suited to
anything like this. But nonetheless, here's what we've got on
his thing. He talks about, first words, building trust and
law enforcement, preventing crimes, keep people safe, and strengthen communities.
All good problem and he's very good at the platitudes
and stuff like that, but at no point does he
reference in a positive way the positive impacts of accountability
or sending people to jail or prison. So he's got
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a multi page document here. I printed this thing off.
There's a lot to it. He talks about strong law enforcement,
agreed smart prevention efforts. I'd love to hear what those are,
and community partnerships. The community partnerships thing. I'm not really
sure what he's talking about there that we don't have.
But if you dig into this more, here's some good stuff.
We must do more to stop crimes from taking place,
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and his three pillars of that are gun violence prevention,
addressing the addiction crisis, and an emphasis on crime science
and data driven policies. And to do that, he's going
to create the Governor's Office of Safe Communities the GOSS.
I guess the GOsC the governor because we need another office.
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It's not obvious to everyone what's ailing the state of Colorado.
We need some other people to come in and sit
down and tell us things like, you know what, if
you just keep turning them back out onto the street,
they're just going to keep committing crimes. If you turn
them back out onto the street, they're just going to
keep doing drugs.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Those are the problems.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
But stop crimes from taking place, yes, But how about
stopping crimes from taking place by incarcerating the people to
continue to commit them. That seems like that could prevent
crimes that's nowhere on here now. One of the other
things he highlights is too many Colorado communities know the
pain of gun violence. I fought for and defended common
sense gun safety laws like waiting periods, ghostgun bands, red
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flag laws, storage requirements.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
But here's what he doesn't tell you. And this is
real man.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
This guy, twice as Attorney General, fought to allow convicted felons,
including drug dealers in car thieves, to be rearmed. The
drug dealers thing should be obvious, But the car thiefs
thing there is. Ask anyone of law enforcement called Steve
Reams on Thursday and ask him there is an undeniable
connection between car thievery an additional further violent crime that
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takes place. This guy fought twice, two separate legislative sessions,
two separate bills to maintain convicted drug dealers and car
thief's ability to rearm themselves in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Huh, I don't know it.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Never never lost any support from the gun control crowd
because that they just don't understand how to hold their
own accountable. Listen, here's something else. Too many individuals are
committing crimes because of their struggles with addiction.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
What you hear there is an excuse.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
What you hear there is what Sheriff Mike Sel talked
about when he said, Hey, we're going to stop having
policies that sort of let these people off the hook
for their behavior. We do need to do something about addiction.
But I'm here to tell you as someone who has
taken a new approach to prosecuting retail theft and shoplifting
down in Douglas County, and that is, you steal from us,
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you go to jail. They're not addicts. There are some addicts,
but there are people who are just freaking thieves. They
just take because they want, and there's no cure for
selfishness that is surrounding the drug thing right there. The
other thing is he decries incarceration, those leaving incarceration and
this is listen to this. In Colorado, those leaving incarceration
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and returning to our communities are far too likely to reoffend.
The national average of recidivism is thirty seven percent. In
Colorado it's forty five percent.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
Spoiler alert, Who the hell is in charge of our
prisons and our courts? Who's the ag If you're concern
is with recidivism, I want you to call out the
Polist Parole Board, call out the Polist Department of Corrections,
and tell us where have they failed and why.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
I'd love to know why.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Contrary to what Polish's stated goal was at the State
of the Union a few years ago, I think twenty
nineteen that he wanted to leave office with us in
the top what three five safest states in America? That
we're at the bottom three, Someone's got to ask Phil
why is that?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
What are we doing wrong?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
But this is the kind of stuff. At least he's
detailed enough to put it in there. But it's just ridiculous.
Colorado Cannon should be one of the safest states in
the nation. Agreed, Why isn't it Your team has been
at the helm now for well over a decade.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Why isn't it you've been ag for seven years? Why
isn't it? Why is that? Answered those questions? My friend?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
When we come back, we're gonna wrap it up. I'm
gonna let you know some of the stuff that Victor
Marx has put on his also very detailed, also very
very wrong in some pretty important and obvious ways. Until
that time, though, you stick around here, you can hit
us on the text at five seven seven three nine
or three zero three seven three eighty two fifty five.
George Brockler filling in on the Dankpla Show.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
George brockerback with you here for the final segment of
this Tuesday show at the Dan Capley Show tomorrow, Heidi Thursday,
Steve Friday, Christy. But you've got me here for this
last segment. And here's what I want to talk about.
I've been promising this for a while now. Was I
wanted to go through each of the governor sort of
public statements here on public safety on their websites as
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they run for governor. I left out Scott Bottoms and
that was not on purpose, but as soon as Ryan
Tas' show for tomorrow, I'm like, dang, I better go
look that up.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
He does have some stuff. One of the things that
falls under is it's the uh.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Let's see reclaim, reclaim, safety and security, a lot of
reclaim themes here. He talks a lot about mental health.
That's legit, that's a big deal. One of the things
he says is he wants to repeal soft on crime policies.
There really aren't soft on crime policies. There are soft
on crime laws, and that requires the legislature. So winning
the governorship important, maybe in my opinion, most important in
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terms of what we do with the judges, but not
really able to change it just off of that. Increase
funding and training for local law enforcement. I don't know
how you're going to do that without the legislature. Establish
a task force to combat the drug crisis, cartel activity.
We kind of already have each of those regionally. Expands
access to mental health care, that's a great one. Upholds
the right to self defense for law abiding citizens. How
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I mean, what can the governor do? I mean, short
of you either commuting the sentence or granting partons to
people that you think were convicted even though they engage
in self defense. I just don't know what role the
governor can plain that, other than appointing judges who are
self defense minded. I suppose something like that. But this
is the one from Victor. And here's the part I
don't get. Man, this guy, these people that are working
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for him are failing him. They're failing him because they
feel like, we're going to cite to laws. And you
see this a lot with people, especially on the far
far right, that even some of the conspiratorial people, when
they put citations in, it's to give them credibility, to
make you go, oh my god, well that must be legit.
Well here's the problem with that. You can look those
citations up and I did. And so here's one of
the problems. He cites for multiple reasons in multiple parts
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of his public safety pitch. Here a specific statute twenty
four thirty three point five Dash four to twelve, and
he cites it for a whole host of propositions.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
It's really the CBI.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
It's kind of like the Department of Public Safety CBI
statute that's in there, and it doesn't stand for the
things that he cites it for. For instance, he wants
to end catch and release for violent offenders. Yay, I
think we're all in favor of that. My administration will
propose legislation prohibiting automatic release of non custodial sentencing or
non custodial sentencing.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
By the way, you're never going to do that. You're
talking about mandatory sentences.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
But he used some other weird words like non custodial
sensing for individuals of multiple violent offense convictions as defined
under twenty four DESH thirty three point five DOSH four twelve.
There is no definition of that. That's wrong. There's just
no definition of that of what he's talking about. But
then he goes on to say this reform aligns with
the constitutional obligation to secure the safety and happiness of
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the people, and then he cites to the Bill of
Rights in the State Constitution. Spoiler alert, man, there is
no obligation for the governor to secure the safety and
happiness of the people. In fact, that specific section talks
about the people may alter or abolish the form of
government blah blah blah, whenever they may deem it necessary
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to their safety and happiness. I don't know who's draft
in this for him, but they're failing him. They're misguiding him.
He talks about sponsoring legislation requiring monetary bail for violent felonies,
prohibiting zero bail programs, and then he says courts will
be record wired to apply the constitutional Article two, section nineteen,
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which is proof evident presumption.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Great, how are you going to require judges to do that?
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Are you going to get the Democrat controlled legislature to
pass a law because that's the only way to do it.
And again, in my opinion, too much detail in terms
of the citations, because people can look them up. Here's
another one direct targeted funding through reallocation of existing appropriations.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
And burn JAG grant matches. Well, what funds are you
taking them from?
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Where?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
To put them where? And another citation to this entire
CBI statute. It just seems to me that there's some
good thoughts here, but somebody went overboard and decided we're
going to throw in statutory citations. It couldn't have been
written by a lawyer. And if it was written by
a lawyer, that person needs to move on because the
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law thing isn't their deal? Listen, I'd love being on
here thanks to Nate marsh running for House District forty three.
You can look that guy up at Natefoclorado dot com.
Help that dude out. Ryan is always I can't wait
to hear the interview tomorrow with Scott Bottoms. That's gonna
be a hum dinger stick around tomorrow's Heidi Ganal. I've
been honored to be here, Thanks Big Dan. George Brockler
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
George Brocker filling in for Dan Caplas. You got me
till six o'clock tonight. We've had a great first hour.
By the way, good phone calls.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I like it.
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
Five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Got to start it with Dan like this one, Dan,
Why is George doing the Steve Riems show?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Ryan? Ryan off Air thought that that was likely Steve.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
But I said, he can't spell out, and there's no
AI that's going to get him there. He's got a
spell GPT to get to chat GPT. I don't think
it's going to happen. Love that guy. A lot of
folks weighing in on this public safety thing, the Victor
Marx thing. I want to just take a moment before
we bring up our great guest here in just one
second to announce great news. Just got the text during
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the break here between the last hour in this one,
we had a big case going on for us. It
was a sex assault case, seventeen counts that included sexual assault, strangulation, drugging,
all that kind of stuff for separate victims. Jury just
came back guilty on all seventeen counts.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
You should know when we're talking about public safety, that
ain't none of those charges mandatory prison. If you can imagine,
that doesn't mean this guy isn't going to get prison.
He's going to get prison. He got remanded after the
jury came back and found him guilty. But we have
a state where you can be convicted of seventeen counts
of sex assault, strangulation, drugging, etc. And still have the
(01:53):
potential to walk out of the courtroom. At the time
you're sensing that is crazy. That team that includes it's
a chief deputy district attorney named Daniel Harramio, although if
you know the story, it's actually Jeremilo. They have another
awesome member of that team who's going to join us
on the phone line right now. His name is Nate
marsh Nate, thanks.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
For joining us.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Thanks so much for having me, George, I appreciate.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It, buddy. Great news on that case.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Oh, it's incredible. That team is a rock star team
and that trial team they put in so much work,
so much EFROS watching just kind of what they're doing,
and that's an incredible outcome for our victims. They just
wish we could promise them that he's going to go
to prison. But just like you talked about there, this
legislature is giving us that they're love of these offenders.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Now, listen, you know it better than others, because at
least for this year, I think you're the most trial
going prosecutor we've had in the twenty third. Danielle could
be right there after this one.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You probably know the numbers better, but you though have
a special niche where you can feel some of these
failures in the law, and that is you do all
the domestic violence stuff. You also prosecuted with me. They
repeat drunk driver who maliciously, in my opinion, killed Lieutenant
Colonel Anderson out there off a plumb creek at that
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seven to eleven. So you've been there and done that.
That's my way one of building you up, but two
asking why don't you want to keep doing this full time?
Why are you trying to find another job?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Well, well, Georgia, I'm trying to find another job, not
because you're not an awesome boss and an awesome prosecutor
who wants to fight for victims, but because I want
to take that fight for victims to the legislature. And
so I'm also running for the State House and Highlands
Ranch that's that northern Douglas County. Currently it's Bob Marshall's seat.
But I'm tired of telling victims, hey, call your legislator,
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and that phone just keeps ringing, and when it finally
does get picked up, they say, oh, no, we need
to make sure that we make a more friendly state
for your abuser. And so these are the people that
we fight for, are the most vulnerable, their children, women
in domestic violence situations. And to hear a legislature say hey, no,
we care more about your abuser, I couldn't do it anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, listen, I get that. And folks probably don't appreciate
this either. For the time that you're out of the
office and we're going to try to keep you on obviously,
when you're not doing the legislative voodoo stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
It's a pay cut, man.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I don't know if you've done the math, but you're
not making more money going to work under the gold Dome.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
No, it's definitely a pay cut. But the fact of
the matter is is that these victims deserve better, and
the people of Islands Ranch deserve better than what we're
getting right now. And so sometimes you take a pay
cut to do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Are you going to be able to pull this off?
And I don't ask that skeptically, I'm asking that as
someone if you're out there listening right now and you
realize we have a pretty significant deficit in the House
in terms of d's and rs and buddy, I can't
even remember what that number is, but we have one
twenty two, twenty two, sweet mother of goodness, man, out
of sixty five, we have a twenty two.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Oh, buddy, but we you know said six years ago, eight.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Years ago, we're going to elect a Democrat to the
State House out of Highlands Ranch or anywhere in Douglas County.
People would have thought you were nuts. But now we've
done it, and we've re elected this guy.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Why do you think you're going to pull this thing off?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Man, But we're going to pull this thing off because
this campaign is focused on two things. It's focused on
affordability and it's focused on public safety. These are the
things that the people in Highlands Ranch care about the most,
and these are the things that are hurting real people.
It's the fact that the legislature is spending more and
more and more, and yet we're ranked with forty third
in the country in our roads, forty seventh or forty ninth,
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depending on what you what metric you look at in
public safety, and we're the sixth most regulated state in
the entire country. And so we're gonna we're gonna win
this and we're gonna pull this off because we're going
to focus on those real families and Highlands Ranch, not
the these kind of ideas and these philosophies that are
coming out of the capitol right now. We're going right
to the people.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Every elected legislator gets five bills, five titles that they
can pull and then if you're in the majority or
you get the permission of the speaker something, you might
be able to get more. Do you have some sense
of where you want to go with one or more
of the titles that you would get if you pull
this off.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yeah, I've got a couple things, and especially with public
safety here, I really want to readdress this cashless bail
because what I'm hearing and what I'm hearing from business
owners as well as our law enforcement communities, we're playing
catch and release. And some of this is the retail
theft because we have the lowest or we have some
of the highest I'm sorry levels for a felony theft
in the country, and that what we end up doing
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is people start shoplifting, they get caught, they get released,
they get caught, they get released, they get caught, they
get released, and what that ends up doing is that's
costing the state and that's costing our consumers close to
two point seven billion dollars because we have this catch
and release policy. And so our sheriffs are doing great work,
especially in Douglas County Sheriff Weekly doing great work, but
he's fighting with one hand tied behind his back. This
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just is it's hurting our businesses. It's also hurting us economically.
So that would be one thing we need to definitely
look at. The second thing is one that I know
they're kind of We've got some legislators from Douglas County
they're helping out, But we got to really look at
the strangulation and bill and this is one thing that
is near and dear to me as I prosecute a
lot of these domestic violence cases. This is the act
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of taking someone's breath away, literally telling them I control
whether you live or whether you die. That's the act.
And you know what, it's probation eligible taking someone's breath
away from them.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It's crazy because it is such an intimate crime. Stabbing
is an intimate crime. Shooting is less intimate, depending upon
where you're at. But the choking thing, you think about that, man,
you've got to wrap your fingers around someone's throat or
your arm or whatever and watch them struggle to breathe
and all the things that follow that. And people may
(07:55):
not know this if you haven't ever been in this
game or seen someone that struggled to breathe.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
It leads to not just the patiki and the eyes
rolling back on the head.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But you know it better than anybody, Nate the incontinence,
the body starting to just lose the ability to do
anything as it struggles for air, and our legislature says,
you can do that and walk out of the courtroom.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
And what you hear from victims of this actually, and
this is also I've got great stats on this is
most of the time, especially in these domestic bonnce contexts,
you ask a victim who's been strangled, You ask them
what is the last thing that's going through your mind
right before they black out? Almost almost universally, what they're
saying is I saw my kid's face. My kid's going
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to grow up without me. What am I going to
do for my kid? And that's the last thing they're thinking.
And our legislature right now says, nope, that's okay. And
we've had cases where we've gone to trial, Ben Victorious,
the victim has come forward, put their story forward, and
then what they hear is that their abuser needs to
go work on their demons.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And oh my god, you are talking about a recent case.
Oh well, you know, speaking of that.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
And I don't want to get you any hot water,
But are there discussions at all with the leadership of
the republic Never happened with the dams boards the Republicans
about any sort of judicial reform.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
You know, I think that a lot of people are
looking to have the judges that are more representative of
what the people are wanting, and really that's hard to
do because they're a separate branch. What they're definitely looking
for for people for citizens who want to get involved
to beyond this Judicial Performance Review Committee. They're all across
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the state where it does give the people more information
about these judges that are appointed by the governor and
then take the bench. But the people have a say
and they can vote whether they want to retain or not.
But we need more people that are aware of what's
going on and want to be active in these kind
of committees and these commissions. That's one of the things
(09:53):
that I would.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Really say, we buy and large have a decent bench,
but I just don't think people understand the process to
be coming a judge. How little input there is from
the DA's office on any of that. I'll give people
a spoiler alert. Example, the twenty third Judicial District Judicial
Nominating Commission has absolutely no prosecutor or I think member
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of law enforcement on it. However, the head of the
Public Defender's Office is on that commission. Now I happen
to like r I think he's a good dude. But
as you can imagine, we don't agree on what makes
a good judge. That just tells you and the governor
points into those positions, that just tells you the lopsided
nature of this. So, you know, until we start winning
(10:34):
back some races years included, Nate, I just don't think
we're in a position to demand too much from the judges.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah. I couldn't agree more. And I think that what
we really need to do is win these races, because
what we can start doing then is start changing some
of these laws and actually stop some of these really
terrible laws, these offender friendly laws, and really start putting
the focus back on the victims of crime, the real
people who got hurt, who didn't ask for any of
these things to happen to them. And really that's where
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the focus needs to be, and that's the focus of
my race, is putting this spot like back on the
victims of these crimes, not wondering how we can just
hug their abusers.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Nate Marsh running for House District forty three there in
Highlands Ranch. If people wanted to know more about you,
figure out a way to volunteer time or volunteer their dollars,
which I know you need.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
How do they do that?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah? Absolutely. The easiest way there is to go to
my website. That's Nate for Colorado dot com. That's Nat E.
F O R Colorado dot com. You can learn more
about me. There's a way to contribute. Look that this
message is important. This race is going to be one
of the tightest in the state, and so the only
way that message goes out is through through funding. But
(11:43):
that's Nate for Colorado dot Com.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Nate, I want you to win this, but as I
said yesterday at the event you had, it hurts me,
you know, because the office loses one of its best
and certainly most prolific trial attorneys while you go do this.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
But honestly, we need you at the legislature.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So man, I hope you pull the thing off. Thanks
for making time tonight to chat with us.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Awesome, Thanks, George, I really appreciate it. Good luck with
the rest of the show.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Thanks brother.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That's not Natemar, she's a senior Deputy DA in the
fight in twenty third Judicial District.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
We're gonna come back and get to your text.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
There's a bunch of them, but keep them coming five seven, seven,
three nine, or give us a call three h three
seven one three eighty two of fifty five. My name
is George Brockler. I'm filling in for Dan Campelis on
the Dankaplas Show.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Love the Holiday music right here on the Dan Kaplas Shore.
George Brockler filling in for Dan. I also miss the
I can't remember who the two women were now Jan
Hooks and someone else from Satite Live when they sang
dong go the bells dingo the best so many bells,
Oh my god, the bells. You know that kind of thing.
I will find that. Yeah, play that coming back from
next Breadkhast. I'm so glad you referenced that. But George,
(12:48):
have you seen TS two the O in concert Trans
Siberian Orchestra. I have not seen them in commage?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Oh man, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, first time for me about a month ago, and
I was blown away.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I you know, you hear the stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
It sounds cool, the production, the lasers, all they do it.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Ballerina.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Okay, that's legit. Oh yeah, that's ballerina. It was top shelf.
My man, Wow, good stuff that is. That's something I've
wanted to do of YouTube a little bit of the
stuff that I can, but I just have never been
to the actual show. It really it defies descriptions. Somebody
can tell you about it, but until you see it
yourself firsthand, it's not even the same thing.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
That sounds a lot like Prison's. Oh no, George, why
hey listen?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Now?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Coming up tomorrow, of course, the show is going to
be helm by somebody named Heidi Ganal you know, or
better as Jason's.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Wife Jason of course.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Wow, GQ Barbecue, buddy, I'm telling I don't know how
you top that. I mean, look, Heidie's a dominant force
in Colorado, but Jason's got the meat.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Secret weapon though at GQ. Yeah, the Apple slaw, that stuff.
You know what, I'm gonna go do that now. Oh
it's so good.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
On Thursday, somebody named Esteban Rams is going to be
on here. Steve is I believe Steve's actually the correct
pronunciation of the first name is does he have legal
status in this country? Many people you know, that's a
great question. As many people know Steve is one of
the many dogcatchers up in the World County area, and
(14:18):
he does a really good job.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Actually, Steve is a great sheriff.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I still got we got to do a reunion thing
on this at some point, Ryan, We've got to get
him back on the show with me, or me back
on the show with him at some point.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Would love it. Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And then of course on Friday, KBB, you know, or
her as Christy Burton Brown. That's Colorado, the notorious KBB. Oh,
the notorious KBB. Like is that like instead of big
That's right, yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Right on. I think that's great.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
So many similarities between her and the big biggy Smalls.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Listen, there's some so much stuff I want to read,
you guys, but listen these texts. I want to honor
the texters and the callers three o three seven one
three eight two five five three or three seven one
three eighty two to fifty five. But the text line
five seven seven three nine, it's just that easy. Five
seven seven three nine. Here's one latest advice from James Carvill.
It's the crime stupid. I wish that were true. I
(15:07):
want that to be true. Here's one George we complained
about the Tina Peter sentence. It's been said she could
have gotten twenty years. Who came up with those sentencing
guidelines in the first place, Who comes up with the
sentencing guidelines for anything in the first place? The legislature?
What body does this? The answer is a big fat yes.
It is one hundred percent the legislature and whatever discretion
they build into it. After that, it becomes a judge's decision.
(15:29):
None of the charges that Tina was convicted of required
mandatory prisoner, even mandatory consecutive sentences. The nine was a
combination of things like that. I can't remember now which
charges got which sentences, but that's how it got to nine.
It's all legislator driven. Here's another one. Trump is no fool.
The more he acts like he can't do something like
the boat's video, he's trying to draw people in and
(15:50):
shame them. Is it George Brockler or Anderson Cooper? That
one hurts That hits me right in my heart because
horrific fire four years ago in our vett At this
time a year, I'm hearing Excel may bring down your
power in areas on the West Side.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
We put up with this all the time in New Mexico.
Thank you for listening. By the way from New Mexico.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, I'm horrified to hear that the wind that is
supposed to actually be the renewable energy is the source
of us actually losing the energy for Excel.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
There's been a bunch of briefings.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I haven't been able to get to down at the
county to talk about what this looks like.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Ryan.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Maybe you're not going to be on the air tomorrow
because there won't be any power. You guys will have
to like, I don't know if you guys have a
generator or something, gas fille decent.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Wait, what is up with that?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Are we trying to California or Colorado with this one too?
I don't know, man, But these guys, because they got
sued for screwing up the fires up north a few
years ago, now they're like, well, we don't want to
risk it, so of course we're going to have to
turn off your power so we don't get sued. I
feel like the Excel experiment is failing. I don't know.
Maybe you feel differently. Three h three seven one three
(16:52):
eighty two fifty five. Here's one tell me about Judge
Matthew Barrett and Mason County, and his record is DA. Oh,
the machines have an effect on elections at a time
till only twenty two Republicans aka frog in a pot
of water. I do think man, Colorado has changed so
much over the last ten years, maybe by design, maybe
a little bit by accident. Especially, you know, back in
(17:12):
twenty twelve when we voted to regulate recreational marijuana. I
think that was really the beginning of the end in
terms of the demographics and the shift. Matthew Barrett don't
know that guy, but I know it's background a little bit.
He was a prosecutor up in the fourteenth Judicial District,
then prosecutor in the ninth where he became the prosecutor
of the year one year, became a chief deputy district attorney,
(17:34):
which is a big deal. That means you're supervising the
other prosecutors and handling the big cases.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And then he got a pointed to the bench.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I don't know him beyond that, I'm just saying this
is a guy who's prosecution minded the DA. Of course,
Dan Rubinstein out in Mason County is also a Republican
and a career prosecutor. Who's also been Prosecutor of the
Year in Colorado. For whatever those things are worth, and
they matter to me, I'm a little biased. Listen, when
we come back, I promise I'm going to get to
the Victor Marx and Phil Wiser discussion here of what
(18:01):
they're gonna do. Are we out at thirty my front?
Is there music? Or am I just gone in like
three seconds? Two seconds?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
There's gonna be music right there. You just now you
called it, You see, I knew what was coming.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Now.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
The question was when you resided it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah. Yeah, I was trying to read the back cover
and I screwed the whole thing up. Listen, when we
come back, little Victor Marx, little Phil Weiser, little public
Safety and you at five seven, seven, three nine three
or three fifty five George brockwa I'm the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
This is just so sweet of all of you.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
You know, when we think of Christmas, we think of
one thing.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Yeah, maybe you do too elseing bing bing bang boa
Just do those say those friendly tis.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Right ahead with you and you and you outside the
sum is calling your friends.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Are calling you him.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I'm serious, seriously, seriously, I'm gonna get serious for a
minute and say that looks like my sister slash bride
to be is founder fellow.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
For that, I'm very happy, although.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
It's not going to be too easy being the lone
ranger out there on the range by myself. But you know,
may sound corny, but there's a word in this business, people,
and that word is support.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
And this girl has given me nothing but from the
get going.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
I mean that, Well, I'm only one, kids, He's not.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Getting for Christmas the gift of gab.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
You've got that already, guilty.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
You see that dingle feats dangle around the clock, Yeah,
I mean it's same mangle and the jangle like feats.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
That's the jangle belt.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
That's the jingle belt, that's the jangle bell.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Bells. I'm about Tommy Draking spirits bright like Ted.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
What's a lack of sing a slang song to me?
Sleigh bell thirty go my.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Ta alight the.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Same, a beautiful side? What happened tonight?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
What nele to under lad? Take it down?
Speaker 3 (20:58):
The bell super bell reas Christmas?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
The suit.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Hear them read?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
And are you calling a dingalay?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It's about.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
To the bells. Here come the bells.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Don com about so many mouths christ the same Christmas
A grandfather, Moll Thoms, come my son.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Little very very very very Christmas, very very very crazy
Christmas Eve and on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
That live used to be so awesome. I'd like that
to be a ring tone. Wow, the great Ryan shuling
right there with a great find on really no notice
amidst all the other stuff. Listen, give us a call.
Three oh three seven three eighty two fifty five. We've
got David from Denver on the phone line. David, thanks
for calling in.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Man? Oh my gosh, I just heard your voice, and
it's just so refreshing before Christmas, just to hear someone
was so intelligent, so smart, and you know I did.
It's just great hear your voice. I just want to
say that you're so funny. I mean, it's just you're
(23:08):
so intelligent. I mean, it's just amazing. And who is
this your brother law?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
No, I'm just a listeners feel good.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Listening and it's just so good to hear your voice.
And gosh, you got to get her what David?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
The only thing I was going to say is the
only thing that could make this whole thing better in
the experience is wonderful.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Thank you. I really am honored.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Is if on Thursday you call in and say the
exact same thing about me to Steve Reims. That would
really make the Christmas spirit I think, really surge.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Okay? Oh?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Great?
Speaker 4 (23:44):
And how about the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders if they could
be there with that.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I think I see where you're going with this, David,
because I watching the show.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
That is a long story anyway, Seriously, a call back then.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, call back then, yeah, yeah, sometime between four and six,
seven and three three or three seven, three eighty two
fifty five, and let Steve know that today was your
favorite day of the week in terms of me being
on the show, and how wonderful if you can just
tell him those things. It's not stuff that he doesn't
hear every day anyway. I just think it would be great.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
To hear it on the radio. Well do thank you
for this. Merry Christmas, my man.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Hey, more calls like David's from Denver that I didn't
know what was going on there, Brian, when.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You come on, I gotta go to bath for sheriff freemeser.
It's that like g Brock needs the ego boost do
I am fragile.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I'm fragile. Listen, I lost to Phil Wiser in twenty eighteen.
That's that's the kind of victimization.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
You know what I needed.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I needed to be rescued from that by Victor Marx.
But I don't think anyway. Look, let me uh, here's
where we'll go with this. Let me start off with this.
We were going through each of the gubernatorial candidates positions
on public safety, and there's two of them that stand
out for having something fleshy and detailed substant of all that.
One of them is a guy named Big Phil Wiser
(25:08):
from Colorado, and he beat me back in twenty eighteen. Listen, George,
by the fourth or fifth car theft that we got
to do something about it, probably some time.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Hang on those car thefs how all have to be
within two or three months?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I don't know if you heard the qualifier, like if
you do it in a lifetime, I don't know why
you're not allowed to keep hanging out.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
But three months that's too many. We're gonn have to
do something.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
This is a guy that's just so ill suited to
anything like this. But nonetheless, here's what we've got on
his thing. He talks about, first words, building trust and
law enforcement, preventing crimes, keep people safe, and strengthen communities.
All good problem and he's very good at the platitudes
and stuff like that, but at no point does he
reference in a positive way the positive impacts of accountability
or sending people to jail or prison. So he's got
(25:52):
a multi page document here. I printed this thing off.
There's a lot to it. He talks about strong law enforcement,
agreed smart prevention efforts. I'd love to hear what those are,
and community partnerships. The community partnerships thing. I'm not really
sure what he's talking about there that we don't have.
But if you dig into this more, here's some good stuff.
We must do more to stop crimes from taking place,
(26:16):
and his three pillars of that are gun violence prevention,
addressing the addiction crisis, and an emphasis on crime science
and data driven policies. And to do that, he's going
to create the Governor's Office of Safe Communities the GOSS.
I guess the GOsC the governor because we need another office.
(26:36):
It's not obvious to everyone what's ailing the state of Colorado.
We need some other people to come in and sit
down and tell us things like, you know what, if
you just keep turning them back out onto the street,
they're just going to keep committing crimes. If you turn
them back out onto the street, they're just going to
keep doing drugs.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Those are the problems.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
But stop crimes from taking place, yes, But how about
stopping crimes from taking place by incarcerating the people to
continue to commit them. That seems like that could prevent
crimes that's nowhere on here now. One of the other
things he highlights is too many Colorado communities know the
pain of gun violence. I fought for and defended common
sense gun safety laws like waiting periods, ghostgun bands, red
(27:15):
flag laws, storage requirements.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
But here's what he doesn't tell you. And this is
real man.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
This guy, twice as Attorney General, fought to allow convicted felons,
including drug dealers in car thieves, to be rearmed. The
drug dealers thing should be obvious, But the car thiefs
thing there is. Ask anyone of law enforcement called Steve
Reams on Thursday and ask him there is an undeniable
connection between car thievery an additional further violent crime that
(27:42):
takes place. This guy fought twice, two separate legislative sessions,
two separate bills to maintain convicted drug dealers and car
thief's ability to rearm themselves in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Huh, I don't know it.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Never never lost any support from the gun control crowd
because that they just don't understand how to hold their
own accountable. Listen, here's something else. Too many individuals are
committing crimes because of their struggles with addiction.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
What you hear there is an excuse.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
What you hear there is what Sheriff Mike Sel talked
about when he said, Hey, we're going to stop having
policies that sort of let these people off the hook
for their behavior. We do need to do something about addiction.
But I'm here to tell you as someone who has
taken a new approach to prosecuting retail theft and shoplifting
down in Douglas County, and that is, you steal from us,
(28:32):
you go to jail. They're not addicts. There are some addicts,
but there are people who are just freaking thieves. They
just take because they want, and there's no cure for
selfishness that is surrounding the drug thing right there. The
other thing is he decries incarceration, those leaving incarceration and
this is listen to this. In Colorado, those leaving incarceration
(28:54):
and returning to our communities are far too likely to reoffend.
The national average of recidivism is thirty seven percent. In
Colorado it's forty five percent.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
Spoiler alert, Who the hell is in charge of our
prisons and our courts? Who's the ag If you're concern
is with recidivism, I want you to call out the
Polist Parole Board, call out the Polist Department of Corrections,
and tell us where have they failed and why.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
I'd love to know why.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Contrary to what Polish's stated goal was at the State
of the Union a few years ago, I think twenty
nineteen that he wanted to leave office with us in
the top what three five safest states in America? That
we're at the bottom three, Someone's got to ask Phil
why is that?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
What are we doing wrong?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
But this is the kind of stuff. At least he's
detailed enough to put it in there. But it's just ridiculous.
Colorado Cannon should be one of the safest states in
the nation. Agreed, Why isn't it Your team has been
at the helm now for well over a decade.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Why isn't it you've been ag for seven years? Why
isn't it? Why is that? Answered those questions? My friend?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
When we come back, we're gonna wrap it up. I'm
gonna let you know some of the stuff that Victor
Marx has put on his also very detailed, also very
very wrong in some pretty important and obvious ways. Until
that time, though, you stick around here, you can hit
us on the text at five seven seven three nine
or three zero three seven three eighty two fifty five.
George Brockler filling in on the Dankpla Show.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
George brockerback with you here for the final segment of
this Tuesday show at the Dan Capley Show tomorrow, Heidi Thursday,
Steve Friday, Christy. But you've got me here for this
last segment. And here's what I want to talk about.
I've been promising this for a while now. Was I
wanted to go through each of the governor sort of
public statements here on public safety on their websites as
(30:46):
they run for governor. I left out Scott Bottoms and
that was not on purpose, but as soon as Ryan
Tas' show for tomorrow, I'm like, dang, I better go
look that up.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
He does have some stuff. One of the things that
falls under is it's the uh.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Let's see reclaim, reclaim, safety and security, a lot of
reclaim themes here. He talks a lot about mental health.
That's legit, that's a big deal. One of the things
he says is he wants to repeal soft on crime policies.
There really aren't soft on crime policies. There are soft
on crime laws, and that requires the legislature. So winning
the governorship important, maybe in my opinion, most important in
(31:19):
terms of what we do with the judges, but not
really able to change it just off of that. Increase
funding and training for local law enforcement. I don't know
how you're going to do that without the legislature. Establish
a task force to combat the drug crisis, cartel activity.
We kind of already have each of those regionally. Expands
access to mental health care, that's a great one. Upholds
the right to self defense for law abiding citizens. How
(31:41):
I mean, what can the governor do? I mean, short
of you either commuting the sentence or granting partons to
people that you think were convicted even though they engage
in self defense. I just don't know what role the
governor can plain that, other than appointing judges who are
self defense minded. I suppose something like that. But this
is the one from Victor. And here's the part I
don't get. Man, this guy, these people that are working
(32:02):
for him are failing him. They're failing him because they
feel like, we're going to cite to laws. And you
see this a lot with people, especially on the far
far right, that even some of the conspiratorial people, when
they put citations in, it's to give them credibility, to
make you go, oh my god, well that must be legit.
Well here's the problem with that. You can look those
citations up and I did. And so here's one of
the problems. He cites for multiple reasons in multiple parts
(32:27):
of his public safety pitch. Here a specific statute twenty
four thirty three point five Dash four to twelve, and
he cites it for a whole host of propositions.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
It's really the CBI.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
It's kind of like the Department of Public Safety CBI
statute that's in there, and it doesn't stand for the
things that he cites it for. For instance, he wants
to end catch and release for violent offenders. Yay, I
think we're all in favor of that. My administration will
propose legislation prohibiting automatic release of non custodial sentencing or
non custodial sentencing.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
By the way, you're never going to do that. You're
talking about mandatory sentences.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
But he used some other weird words like non custodial
sensing for individuals of multiple violent offense convictions as defined
under twenty four DESH thirty three point five DOSH four twelve.
There is no definition of that. That's wrong. There's just
no definition of that of what he's talking about. But
then he goes on to say this reform aligns with
the constitutional obligation to secure the safety and happiness of
(33:22):
the people, and then he cites to the Bill of
Rights in the State Constitution. Spoiler alert, man, there is
no obligation for the governor to secure the safety and
happiness of the people. In fact, that specific section talks
about the people may alter or abolish the form of
government blah blah blah, whenever they may deem it necessary
(33:43):
to their safety and happiness. I don't know who's draft
in this for him, but they're failing him. They're misguiding him.
He talks about sponsoring legislation requiring monetary bail for violent felonies,
prohibiting zero bail programs, and then he says courts will
be record wired to apply the constitutional Article two, section nineteen,
(34:04):
which is proof evident presumption.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Great, how are you going to require judges to do that?
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Are you going to get the Democrat controlled legislature to
pass a law because that's the only way to do it.
And again, in my opinion, too much detail in terms
of the citations, because people can look them up. Here's
another one direct targeted funding through reallocation of existing appropriations.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
And burn JAG grant matches. Well, what funds are you
taking them from?
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Where?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
To put them where? And another citation to this entire
CBI statute. It just seems to me that there's some
good thoughts here, but somebody went overboard and decided we're
going to throw in statutory citations. It couldn't have been
written by a lawyer. And if it was written by
a lawyer, that person needs to move on because the
(34:54):
law thing isn't their deal? Listen, I'd love being on
here thanks to Nate marsh running for House District forty three.
You can look that guy up at Natefoclorado dot com.
Help that dude out. Ryan is always I can't wait
to hear the interview tomorrow with Scott Bottoms. That's gonna
be a hum dinger stick around tomorrow's Heidi Ganal. I've
been honored to be here, Thanks Big Dan. George Brockler
filling in on the Dan Kapla Show
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