May 29, 2025 • 34 mins
In the second hour of today's edition of the show, Dan Caplis and Ryan Schuiling are on the quest for political poetry.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
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of time to do it, and Lord knows we need it,
so glad you're here at three or three seven, one,
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three eight, two, five five the number you can text
d an five seven seventh, three nine. Got a lot
of good stuff going on today. The usual life and
death and deep dive Alliance Defending Freedom joined us at
four thirty six. You might want to pick that off
the pod if you didn't hear it. Hel framped and
no relation was with us. He's lead attorney on this
very important lawsuit, Winter Winter Chicken Dinner.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Let's sue the state of Colorado for the.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Obviously unconstitutional HB thirteen twelve, which is now law in
your home state if you happen to live here. So
most businesses at this point our subject to being prosecuted
by the Civil Rights Division if they tell the truth.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And if you've got a man standing there and you
refer to him as a man or you do it
and you're advertising.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Whatever, you're in violation of Colorado law. So yeah, that
they're going to win. The question is how quickly. And
again the process is punishment, right, that's what the left does.
This law will cause a lot of people to self censor,
a lot of people to just be afraid of the fight,
and then they'll punish as much as they can the
brave people who stand up and fight him, until those
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brave people eventually win, which they will. So we did
that deep dive at four thirty six and love to
get your take on that. We've now kind of open
it up to poetry. We're looking for people who can
make a great political statement in a poetic way and
so really anxious to see what you can come up
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with there. That's been kind of fun. We've got some
fun sounded the day as well. Ryan at Scott Jennings
on his show earlier today, Ryan is this great show
two to four in the Denver market each day.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Just before this show.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Scott Jennings one of my favorite people in media all time.
Really have not met him personally, but just admire the
work he does. I think he's presidential material, but certain
will be us Senator from Kentucky if he wants it.
And then we have this list going of top ten
heroes in Colorado history, because as we are talking to
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Alliance Defending Freedom about this x x X Y athletics
case where they're CEO willing to take on this fight,
and that brought you know, Jack Phillips up and Lauriat
three or three creative, just all these brave people we've
had in Colorado who've been willing to stand up to
the left or in other formats. It doesn't have to
be politics, right, I mean, obviously start with military, police fire.
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But this list of top ten heroes in Colorado history.
Would love your take on that. Of course, we've got
you've got to have Kendrick Castile way up near the top,
if not at the top. You've got Dave Sanders as well.
Both gave their lives to save the innocent in school
shootings here in Colorado. But there are lots of different
heroes in different categories. So submit your nomination please. Do
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we have a trophy or something? Ryan, Have we come
up with anything there? Three or three someone three eight
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thinking that Ryan was listening to this show.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Oh no, I know that.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Just you are the octopus. I have so much cool.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
He's going on behind the scenes here. They kind of
caught me off.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Anything you want to share, it makes you get caught
in class, right, mister Kaplos, Anything you want to share
with the class.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It's something Kelly did. We were talking about this earlier
an hour ago, and I pulled the Dan caps.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Oh wow, wow, yeah, yeah yeah. Is it something you
can share?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Uh, now, it's something that you're going to be tackling
during the breakout.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh okay, well I look forward to tackling that. Well, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Got a block and tackle, got a block and tackle
r I want to get to some hot sound of
the day as well. I will get to some Michael
Bennett's sound. But I don't know why Ryan, because is
it just me? Do you have this in your show?
There is like no interest whatsoever in this Colorado governor's
race or this Colorado Senate race. I mean, none of
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the Democrats are generating any excitement. Nobody thinks the Republican
can win, so it's like a total non event.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I think Senator Bennett would be wise to hire me,
because it seems like when I do the impression, at
least that gets a reaction in some cases.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
But other than that, when it's just him, then yeah,
it's like paint drying.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Would you work for him?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I mean in what capacity? Like to make fun of
him to his face?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I thought would be a quick no, but maybe paid enough.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I like the impersonation you do.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
If you could just do that, keep me humble and
grounded and like on my game, then I'd.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Be like, I don't know how much you're paying me?
Can you what you know?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Politics? Aside?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Just what a waste it would be for Colorado if
he ended up governor, right, because I know.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
He's just not.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
He's just not qualified.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I'm sure he has skill sets in other areas, but
he doesn't have the skill set to be that the
chief executive of the state, to lead the state, to
be governor. I mean, truly, can you think of anybody
police is second but not by an inch, by a mile?
Can you think of anybody an elective life from either
party who has done less with more than Michael Bennett
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all these years in the Senate, et cetera. He doesn't
have the skills to be effective, let alone as a
CEO of a state.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Does he even really want it?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I don't know what he's kind of purposes, and that
kind of goes to your point of he's just there.
Kyle Clark made the humorous observation that he's like a cicada.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Comes around every thirteen years and pops up.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Isn't that the ultimate damnation? I mean, wait a second.
I'm sure he's a great father, he's a great dad,
this and that. But when you are given when you
are given the privilege of a US Senate seat and
all the opportunity to do good that comes with that,
and I understand our ideology is different, right, But you're
given that, and then you essentially pull a weekend at
Bernie's for how many years, ten or fifteen years?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You're just a sleep at the wheel. They have to
literally take your pulse and you accomplish nothing, right.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I mean, what does the guy accomplish? That's my point.
And listen, if a lefty's going to have the office,
that's a good thing. You don't want him accomplishing anything
but the state of Colorado. If you're running the state,
that's a different deal. Because leadership is going to be required.
They are going to be I'm not even getting into
policy opportunities yet. I'm talking about crises. I'm talking about
leading the people of the state through tough times.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
It's going to be required.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
He has shown none of those skills whatsoever. Now, Wiser,
who's going to get beat by a drum, like a
drum by this guy.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
He'll be forced out of the race. He'll leave the race.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Hoping to get the Senate seat appointment. You know, Wiser
at least has accomplished some things. I mean, you look
at his life and I think Wiser would be a
lousy governor. But more over ideology, because Wiser is accomplished
some things. He worked hard. He became a US Supreme
Court clerk, which is very hard to get. You know,
He's accomplished some things in office. No, I don't agree
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with the things he's done in office. But Bennett is
just I'd say a bump on a log, but it
would be defamatory of every bump on a log out there.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
And that just goes to where's the drive, where's the passion,
where's the fun himself?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
But for himself, that's the drive.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yes, But can you know the same about Polis right
that he self aggrandizing, well, self indulgent.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Listen it, hey, listen to any of us in media,
anybody in politics. Right, these are people, you know, with
strong egos, they like attention, et cetera. So I'm never
going to criticize somebody for that. But what you would
say with a Polish or a Bennett whatever, is there
something more? Are they about something bigger than themselves? And
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do they have the skills to accomplish it? And when
you look at Bennett, it can be nothing other than
a resounding no. And then you match that right with
the ultimate arrogance, the ultimate entitlement, unearned by the way,
and where he's going to come in and say, this
is my Senate seat, this is my Senate seat, and
I'm going to decide who fills it next. So the
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Senate seat goes virtually ignored while he's here running for governor.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
That's just the ultimate arrogance.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
All I'm saying is he is one of the last
people on the face of the earth who should be
governor of Colorado, regardless of politics.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And not that he would get it, but it's the
only explanation that makes sense as to why Phil Wiser,
the primary opponent of Michael Bennett in the race on
the Democratic side, wouldn't have just hammered Bennett over holding
onto that Senate seat while also trying to run for governor.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
If he really wanted to be governor, Phil Wiser, he would.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Have taken that political opportunity and seized upon it.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
But instead, the only thing that makes sense is what
you said. He's going to stay quiet and he'll take.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
The Senate appointment from Bennett when Bennett wins the governor's race.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
That's lame.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
No, what's going on now, I believe right I don't
have subpoena power. I can't prove it, but what I've
believes going on is that Wiser is attempting to stay
in the race long enough and build enough of a
credible threat to Bennett that Wiser gets the Senate seat
for getting out of the race. That's what I think
is going on right now. I'm not suggesting illegality. I'm
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not suggesting that he's going to end up in Blagoyevich's
old cell. I'm talking about just the unstated, implicit understanding.
But right now, Wiser doesn't have the leverage because there's
no reason to believe right now that Wiser could beat Bennett.
So I think Wiser's trying to develop the leverage to
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be in position ay to get that Senate seat when
Wiser does get out of the race. That's my own theory.
I'm sticking to it, and Phil can come on and
tell me I'm wrong. If you'd like to, like Prime says,
ain't hard to find. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Of course we should be talking about how, yeah, if
you know, Speaker Johnson got his way, it wouldn't be possible,
not just for gay people to get married, but for
straight people to get divorced, let alone like birth control.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Or how he would want to regulate porn or whatever.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
People most people would have a problem with.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
These guys are so stupid. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I know they have technically, they have high intelligence levels
a guy like buddhaj Edge, but they are so street stupid.
They do not understand that most Americans across party lines
have have what each of us consider to be a
strong sense of truth and fairness and right and wrong.
(10:41):
And so when you tell obvious whopper lies like that, Okay,
Mike Johnston doesn't want you to be able to get divorced.
Stuff like that. All the Democrats are doing is hurting themselves.
But since their existence right now depends upon lying, because
they know the truth will not win for them, they
try to, I guess, earn their bones and get street
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cred within the party by proving they will tell the
biggest whoppers. It's a remarkable thing, you know, But I
hope they keep doing it because they just keep hurting themselves.
And I know there are probably folks in this audience thinking,
wait a second, Dan, you're wrong about Democrats. You know,
the Democrats don't believe in truth, this and that. I
really think you have to distinguish between the people who
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own and operate the Democratic Party and at least a
decent swath of typical Democrats. And I put that decent
swath part, what do you think the percentage on the
decent swaths would be, Ryan, I'd say, depending on where
you are, but at least half. And I know that
because I was a Democrat for a long time. Virtually
everybody in my family, in fact, everybody in my family
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outside of Colorado's Democrat. And these are good people. With
their honest people with morals and principles, and they care
about truth. Now they see things politically different, and I do.
And a lot of that is just they could never
imagine being a Republican. But yeah, so that they are
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not going to respect or take kindly to, or want
to vote for people on their own side who just
blatantly lie. Now in the end, they might go ahead
and do it anyway just because they can't vote for
the Republican in their mind.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
They haven't reached that point yet. We need to change that.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
But yeah, so stuff like that from Buddha Jeed, Yeah,
keep it coming. That's that's good for our side. Three
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And by our side, I don't mean Republicans. By our side,
I mean the people who are right about things and
want to save this place and the country. The country, Ryan,
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I think is in much better shape than the state
right because don't you think the country right now is
just tracking conservative?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
And I think the Democratic Party feels that way and
they're scared by it, except for kind of a haven
here in Colorado where they feel empowered and they feel
bold and to pass these trands, the kids laws, and
I've been talking about that on my program as well.
And this is where there's a disconnect. I think the
good Democrats you're describing, I remember them. I mean I
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used to be friends with a lot of them. I
have voted in the past for Democrats.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
It's been a very long time.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
But I don't know how you can sit there and
square transing the kids, allowing trans individuals who are biological
males to rob girls and women sports and spaces, and
keep voting Democrats.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And it's nutty stuff, But yeah, you're right, they feel
like toorly bulletproof in Colorado. I'm looking at this headline
on CNN right now and it has video Putin war
hero killed in mysterious explosion deep inside Russia.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Now this goes back to what I was saying a
little while ago.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Putin and the Kremlin decide now they're going to umiliate
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That's not going to end well for Putin.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And I'm not talking about sanctions, and I'm not saying
that Trump or US intelligence had anything to do with that.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I know idea whether they did or not.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I'm just telling you that he's not going to end
well for Putin if he's decided the road he's going
down is publicly humiliating Donald Trump, And if you're president
of the United States, yeah, they'll be the sanctions talk.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
But that's nonsense.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Everybody knows, even though it should happen that in the end,
that's not going to change Putin's behavior. But I think Trump,
if Trump's determined to change Putin's behavior, Trump will change
Putin's behavior. And it will not be with US troops
on the ground in Ukraine, which should not happen. And
if US at this point, if Ukraine was allowed to
join NATO, it would happen. And Trump is not going
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to allow US troops on the ground, and he should not.
But that doesn't mean Putin's going to be safe. Three
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ground we want to cover. Do we have any more
good poetry? Before I get going on that in check,
I got to refresh. The Republicans are read, Democrats are blue.
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They fight among each other, but not for me and
you h oh, I like that one. Yeah, I mean
it's a rhymes at least. Yeah, But I because poetry
has to rhyme or it's not poetry. It can be
something else. It can be cool, but it's not poetry.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
What haiku?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And even though this rhymes, I don't agree with the
substance of it. I think there are a lot of
Republicans who fight for me and you, not all of them.
I can't think of a single Democrat right now. Maybe
I'm wrong, Maybe I'm.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Missing Kana California.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I think he's okay, okay, okay, Well let's be a
while we a'm on the show.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I'll reach out. He goes on Fox News quite a
bit for a Democrat.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Okay, Okay, No, I would love to do that.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I want to get you some of the hot sound
of the day as well. And as long as we
are talking about as long as we're talking about Russia
and Ukraine out right now, which we should be, by
the way, because I think some things are about to
happen there. Joe Scarborough must listen to this show, because
he did a one to eighty in the last twenty
four hours. I remember yesterday I was talking about how
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Scarborough these guys are nutty, thinking that that somehow Donald
Trump's going to slink away. Now that Putin's not giving
him what he wants quite the opposite. Then Scarborough magically
now sees that.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
The mocking of Donald Trump repeatedly by the Kremlin that
I don't know exactly how that helps some of the negotiations, but.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
We will see.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
The President has talked about two weeks before he makes
any decisions on sanctions. Obviously, in your fusion, in the
middle of negotiations, good faith negotiations, which needs to not
appear to be you don't slap sanctions on anybody in
the middle of negotiations.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, so, yeah, no, this will not end well for Putin.
Why do you think Putin did this?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I don't know the calculation there, because he has to understand,
especially with the public nature. And I think Scarborough touched
on that if he's going to start kind of barking
up the wrong tree, so to speak, Trump's not going
to shy away from sanctions or other types of bolstering
of Ukraine. You know, the minerals deal that he made.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
But sanctions. Everybody knows sanctions won't get it done.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Well, throttling the oil production and if in Trump is
threaton to do this to blacklist countries that are willing
to buy Russian oil, and they won't do The United
States will not do business if you buy Russian oil.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
He did that to Ihran, and he could do that
to Russia too.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, you know, I think one of the possibilities here
is when you talk about evil, right, like you and
I people listening to this show, we can't I'm sure,
even begin to understand that the depths of like satanic evil, right,
because we're not We're good people. But with Putin, you
step back and you look at it you're talking about,
I mean, what he does, there's no difference in what
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Satan would do, right, It's just Satan in.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
A suit, and so that kind of evil.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yet at a certain point, rationality probably departs, and he
probably looked at Trump's overtures, his willingness to, you know,
just stand up to Zelensky with Zelensky's horrible oval office performance,
and he probably misread that and just believe that he
could go get whatever he wanted. And I think he's
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about to learn the very hard way it does not
work that way with Donald J.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Trump.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So yeah, and it's not going to be by Trump's
sending Americans to fight in Ukraine. He should not need
will not. I think he's got other ways to teach.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Putin a lesson here and then hopefully bring peace.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
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A lot to do when we come back, including another
doctor to talk about the medical.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Reality of abortion.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
We're not going to be talking ideology or anything, just
the medical reality, which would cause a lot of people
to believe.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
We have to end that now.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast That
could be awkward, very difficult. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, this is where you say, did.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
You ever want to pay doctor Caplis? Was that ever
a possibility?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I am one, Come on, I am serious.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
No, No, it's not a technicality.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
This is a problem in society right now because no,
we are doctors, but nobody ever calls us that.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
You are more of a doctor, in my mind than
doctor Jill Biden.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Well wow, what I praise?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, yeah, no, but I mean literally literally, and I'm
a little disappointed in that because we are, in fact doctor.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Well, if you were a professor and wouldn't taught law,
let's see it, see you.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Boulder, wouldn't call me doctor. They wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
No, No, our broadcasting professors are really a stranger.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Got order to get something out of a Whedy's box,
called me doctor.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, no, I go, So I do all this and
that do it for forty years, it says, juris doctor.
But nobody's calling me doctor.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
That's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, yeah, except my wife.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Now we go.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
This is all a build up to going to our
special guests, doctor Tom Prell, who is president of Democrats
for Life in Colorado and is kind enough to step
in today for doctor Catherine Wheeler, who is We're doing
this regular segment where we just talk about the medical
facts pertaining to abortion because there's a guy who wants
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to save all of these innocent babies. I'm a firm
believer after decades on air that the best way to
get there is just to keep getting people the true
medical facts about babies and human development and abortion. And
that's the best chance to persuade. And so doctor Tom
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Prall kind enough to join us read the buyo off
The Colorado Sun of Inglewood, Colorado is a retired internal
medicine and hospital medicine physician and president of Democrats for
Life of Colorado. He is a Fellow of the American
College of Physicians and Society of Hospital Medicine, a fellow doctor.
Welcome to the Dan Caplis Shall, Thanks Dan for having me, Well.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Thanks for being here. Why don't people call lawyers doctors?
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, easy answer.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They don't like us, right, they like you, and everybody
likes doctor Tom.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Nobody likes doctor Dan, not as a doctor.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
That yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, But thanks for being here, Tom, because it has
been so valuable to have Catherine with us each week.
And we don't do the normal, uh you know, ideological
discussions of abortion or policy issues. We just have real
doctors talking real medicine.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And so today.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
We're just going to go back to the basics and
talk about human development from a strictly factual medical standpoint.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
So doctor take the floor. Just picture the auditorium filled
with eager medical students and tell it like it is.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Yeah. I mean, it's because the arguments that are put
forward by Bush advocates stress woman's choice about but only
appealing if you totally.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
We've got a little challenge with technology here because we're
getting about every other word, and they're good words, but
we're getting about every other word, can we get a
little better connection?
Speaker 7 (22:30):
Uh? Can you hear me? Now?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, Hey, I'd trademark that. Yeah, now that's that's better duck.
Can you can you start over?
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Yeah? I was just saying that WASH advocates that's the
important woman's choice in BODI autonomy, which is appealing only
if you know the fact that terminating a pregnancy means
killing another human being, and that of a human being
has their own value, dignity and right to on leo autonomy.
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And you know, from a medical perspective, the abortion industry
frequently tries to guess light us by suggesting that nobody
really knows when a human life begins, you know, which
is really a very crazy notion, since established the fact
that human life begins at fertilization in the late nineteenth century,
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and so it's not a new In fact, the Human
Embryology book that is the standard textbook in all medical
schools across the country, you know in the first paragraph
that a new human being is formed by the unit,
the union of the sperm and the ovum, and that's
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the start of human development and the human human being.
And it emphasize the fact that this is fal Jacobs
from the University of Chicago during his PhD dissertation, conducted
a survey of biologists over fifty five hundred who the
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public was the most a sort of profession to make
established when human life begins at Ninety percent of those
biologists said that, you know, affirm the biological view that
human life begins at fertilization.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Can I stop you there for a second, doctor Tom Prologuess,
Let me stop you there for a second and thank
you for that.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
How could anybody disagree with that? Right?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I mean, isn't that ideology a side? Isn't that like
disagreeing with the sun rising in the east? Because what
is that proof? I know, you know, but what is
that proof that human life is in fact does in
fact begin at fertilization? And how do we know that medically?
Aside from safe philosophical beliefs.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Well, the definition of an organism means that it's a
able to direct its own development and on physiology and
the human zygo, which is the you know, the cell
that results in the union of the sperm and the ovum,
that's exactly that it directs its own development. It's not
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dependent on the mother to direct it. It is self
directing and that's the definition of an organism or human being.
And you know, the notion that human life begins some
other time is really archaic notion. You know, back in
the you know, the Middle Ages, you know, when you
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had quickening, which is when the mother felt that maybe
they assumed that's the life began. But that's because they
didn't have a view, right, the right of embryology. So
you know, it's pretty clear. And to suggest the wise.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Doctor's so sorry, public, so sorry to interrupt, because I
just love of the wisdom you're dropping directing its own development, right, Obviously,
this human life, it's dependent upon the mother for certain
forms of support, but it's directing its own development. And
that there's nobody, right, I assume within the medical community
who doubts that this is in fact a human organism
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that's growing. So it's human, it's alive, it's directing its
own development.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
What more do they want?
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Yeah, I mean there should I mean there should be nothing.
It's not a human being. That that's a bargment. But
people try to suggest that it being until it's born,
which is which is right, scientifically ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Right, that's such a key point. And again I'm so
sorry that we have this bad phone connection, doctor, and
because we are getting about every other word, but that's
such a key point, right, So if you're just looking
at the medicine for the reasons that you laid out,
which are in arguable, then clearly, as a matter of science,
you have a human life. When when people want to say,
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oh no, we're not going to call it human until
it's born, that's not science base.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That's just their own political ideology or wish or philosophy.
But it ain't science, right.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
And and you know, there's some people saying that their
religion says it begins at birth, but again that's that's
not a scientific view, and it's certainly a marginal view
even if it's held by a religious you know established.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Oh yeah, And the purpose of these segments is, okay,
let's just start with science because I'm a firm believer
that that that's our best way to persuade. And doctor again,
I'm sorry we have this bad phone connection. But my
last question for you today, and I hope we have
you back again soon, is I know you've been a
real hero in the pro life movements, as you know,
head of Democrats for Life, but am I right in
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leaving that the tremendous strides that have been made by
the pro life movement. A big part of that has
been ultrasounds, because people could see for themselves that they'd
been lied to. When people say it's a blob of tissue,
I mean, whoever, all the all the patients you ever had,
whoever went and showed their ultrasound picture and said, hey,
look at the picture of my fetus.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
Yeah, I mean, that's exactly right. We now have a
window into the life of the embryo and fetus. But
by the time a woman even recognizes she's pregnant, the
brain and heart are already developing. And you know, by
the sixth week, the heart is being as moving by
the nine fetus is ye preferences by swallowing the amnatic fluid.
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I mean, it even develops acoustical memories in utero. So
this is a very sophisticated human being.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And the doctor thank you for all of that. I
am so sorry we have this bad phone connection, and
we'll look forward to having you back soon. Doctor Tomprell
also writes in The Colorado Sun, you're on the Dan
Kapler Show.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast Okay, summarizes
what we experienced over the two hours.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yea, all that, I would say, time of our lives.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah right now, right here, right now.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Sad to think about, but yeah, no lives. But what
a great song. That is just a great song. Some
songs instantly create good feeling. That is a great song.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I gotta imagine it's from one of Amy's all time
favorite movies. I'm just guessing here, total lark shot in
the dark type thing. What movie dirty dancing?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
H I'll ask her. I bet she is a great dancer.
I will ask her that.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
And I'm betting again a fan of Swayze, I will
ask you that is what Patrick swayzey, I will ask
you that as well.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I could see the resemblance Dansey, Yeah, I could see
that absolutely. But yeah, no, what a great dancer and
that that was probably one of the biggest challenges in
our relationship because you know, not to be self serving,
but I consider myself a really good athlete, real good rhythm,
all this and that. But the whole dancing thing, not
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my sing, just like getting out in public and dancing.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And she's a great dancer.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
So we're dating or you know, we're newlyweds, we go
to these charity things, we're dancing. Everybody's watching her because
she's beautiful and a great dancer, and if they're watching her,
it means they're.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Seeing me, and that ain't good.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
But didn't you work very hard for your wedding reception
to be months?
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yea months?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, and you know how deep into the first dance
I messed it up? First step it had to be. Oh,
here's a great text.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Brigadier General Maurice Rose was a Colorado Jewish Man killed
in direct contact with the Germans and World War Two
when his jeep ran into a German tank and he
was shot and killed by the Germans. Rose hospital, right,
I'll double check that where our kids were born. So yeah,
we're just talking about top ten Colorado heroes and taking
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some nominations. Not that we get to decide anything, but
it's fun to talk about, inspiring to talk about. Obviously
we're talking about Kendrick Castillo, Dave Sanders, Jack Phillips. It
came up in connection with another brave Colorado, another brave
person standing up the CEO of xaxx Y Athletics Alliance
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Defending Freedom standing up against the obviously facially unconstitutional hospital
thirteen twelve, and that lawsuit was just filed. So we
had Hal Frampton the attorney on the show. We've had
Jennifer Say on our show before, founder and CEO of
xaxx y Levi.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
What didn't she used to be president? She used to
be president of.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Strauss Levi, Straussen Francisco President.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Then she spoke out against the COVID lockdowns for kids
and that led to a downward spiral that contributed to
her exodus from there. And then she moved her her operations,
her idea for XXXY Athletics right here to Colorado.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just looking at Maurice Rose right now.
Career officer United States Army turned the attained the rank
of major general, veteran of World War One and two,
commanding the third Armored Division when he was killed in
action in Germany during the closing days of the Second
World War, becoming the highest ranking American killed by enemy
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fire during the war in Europe and died this very
heroic death. Yeah, now, very inspiring.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So who are the top ten heroes in Colorado? I
think it can come from all walks alive.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Somebody I think had suggested an earlier text when we
had this conversation, Kit Carson would be one, k K.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, oh, I'm just not sure the Coatail. Sorry, I'm
just not sure.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
You know, I'm kind of a wild West guy and
I admire a lot of those guys from back then. Yeah, wider,
Doc Holliday's buried here in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah yeah, and yeah, yeah, I just I'm not up
on all that. So you are the resident expert than that,
my friend. I did want to get to this sound
before the end of the show. Let me get to
this because it's.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Just so rich.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Here is Jake Teppero, I assume is going to be
running for the GOP nomination for something.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
I look at the way I covered, you know, the president,
some of the trials of the President, I thought were
you know, I think it's I think it is problematic
when people run for prosecutor and promise to go after
a specific politician. And both Letitia James, Attorney General of
New York, and Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney New York,
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both of them did that, and that to me is
problematic because you're not saying this is the offense, and
we need to bring justice to this perpetrator. You're saying,
I'm going to go after him. And I think that
there was a degree to which that was tolerated by
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the media at large.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I mean, I did note it at.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
The time, but like and in the bathroom, the same
thing talking to the president. So it's also a different degree.
People perceive it as more problematic.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
But look at what he's talking about.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
He's not talking about the underlying corrupt act of wrongfully
pursuing this prosecution. He's talking about how it was messaged, right,
And I said it at the time. I said it
at the time he did it. You know, Alvin Bragg
will end up being one of the biggest gifts ever
to the GOP, and and I'll be roundly despised on
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the left because you just knew, you just knew that
corrupt prosecution was going to backfire him and help Trump.
And because of Trump's strength and courage, it did, and
the wisdom of the American people have voted for him.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Thank you, Ryan, Thank you Kelly Jonas. To morrow, Pleas
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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three eight, two, five five the number you can text
d an five seven seventh, three nine. Got a lot
of good stuff going on today. The usual life and
death and deep dive Alliance Defending Freedom joined us at
four thirty six. You might want to pick that off
the pod if you didn't hear it. Hel framped and
no relation was with us. He's lead attorney on this
very important lawsuit, Winter Winter Chicken Dinner.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Let's sue the state of Colorado for the.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Obviously unconstitutional HB thirteen twelve, which is now law in
your home state if you happen to live here. So
most businesses at this point our subject to being prosecuted
by the Civil Rights Division if they tell the truth.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And if you've got a man standing there and you
refer to him as a man or you do it
and you're advertising.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Whatever, you're in violation of Colorado law. So yeah, that
they're going to win. The question is how quickly. And
again the process is punishment, right, that's what the left does.
This law will cause a lot of people to self censor,
a lot of people to just be afraid of the fight,
and then they'll punish as much as they can the
brave people who stand up and fight him, until those
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brave people eventually win, which they will. So we did
that deep dive at four thirty six and love to
get your take on that. We've now kind of open
it up to poetry. We're looking for people who can
make a great political statement in a poetic way and
so really anxious to see what you can come up
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with there. That's been kind of fun. We've got some
fun sounded the day as well. Ryan at Scott Jennings
on his show earlier today, Ryan is this great show
two to four in the Denver market each day.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Just before this show.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Scott Jennings one of my favorite people in media all time.
Really have not met him personally, but just admire the
work he does. I think he's presidential material, but certain
will be us Senator from Kentucky if he wants it.
And then we have this list going of top ten
heroes in Colorado history, because as we are talking to
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Alliance Defending Freedom about this x x X Y athletics
case where they're CEO willing to take on this fight,
and that brought you know, Jack Phillips up and Lauriat
three or three creative, just all these brave people we've
had in Colorado who've been willing to stand up to
the left or in other formats. It doesn't have to
be politics, right, I mean, obviously start with military, police fire.
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But this list of top ten heroes in Colorado history.
Would love your take on that. Of course, we've got
you've got to have Kendrick Castile way up near the top,
if not at the top. You've got Dave Sanders as well.
Both gave their lives to save the innocent in school
shootings here in Colorado. But there are lots of different
heroes in different categories. So submit your nomination please. Do
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we have a trophy or something? Ryan, Have we come
up with anything there? Three or three someone three eight
two five five the number texs d A N five
seven seven three nine. I mean the critical mistake of
thinking that Ryan was listening to this show.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Oh no, I know that.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Just you are the octopus. I have so much cool.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
He's going on behind the scenes here. They kind of
caught me off.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Anything you want to share, it makes you get caught
in class, right, mister Kaplos, Anything you want to share
with the class.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It's something Kelly did. We were talking about this earlier
an hour ago, and I pulled the Dan caps.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Oh wow, wow, yeah, yeah yeah. Is it something you
can share?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Uh, now, it's something that you're going to be tackling
during the breakout.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh okay, well I look forward to tackling that. Well, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Got a block and tackle, got a block and tackle
r I want to get to some hot sound of
the day as well. I will get to some Michael
Bennett's sound. But I don't know why Ryan, because is
it just me? Do you have this in your show?
There is like no interest whatsoever in this Colorado governor's
race or this Colorado Senate race. I mean, none of
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the Democrats are generating any excitement. Nobody thinks the Republican
can win, so it's like a total non event.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I think Senator Bennett would be wise to hire me,
because it seems like when I do the impression, at
least that gets a reaction in some cases.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
But other than that, when it's just him, then yeah,
it's like paint drying.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Would you work for him?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I mean in what capacity? Like to make fun of
him to his face?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I thought would be a quick no, but maybe paid enough.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I like the impersonation you do.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
If you could just do that, keep me humble and
grounded and like on my game, then I'd.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Be like, I don't know how much you're paying me?
Can you what you know?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Politics? Aside?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Just what a waste it would be for Colorado if
he ended up governor, right, because I know.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
He's just not.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
He's just not qualified.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I'm sure he has skill sets in other areas, but
he doesn't have the skill set to be that the
chief executive of the state, to lead the state, to
be governor. I mean, truly, can you think of anybody
police is second but not by an inch, by a mile?
Can you think of anybody an elective life from either
party who has done less with more than Michael Bennett
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all these years in the Senate, et cetera. He doesn't
have the skills to be effective, let alone as a
CEO of a state.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Does he even really want it?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I don't know what he's kind of purposes, and that
kind of goes to your point of he's just there.
Kyle Clark made the humorous observation that he's like a cicada.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Comes around every thirteen years and pops up.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Isn't that the ultimate damnation? I mean, wait a second.
I'm sure he's a great father, he's a great dad,
this and that. But when you are given when you
are given the privilege of a US Senate seat and
all the opportunity to do good that comes with that,
and I understand our ideology is different, right, But you're
given that, and then you essentially pull a weekend at
Bernie's for how many years, ten or fifteen years?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You're just a sleep at the wheel. They have to
literally take your pulse and you accomplish nothing, right.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I mean, what does the guy accomplish? That's my point.
And listen, if a lefty's going to have the office,
that's a good thing. You don't want him accomplishing anything
but the state of Colorado. If you're running the state,
that's a different deal. Because leadership is going to be required.
They are going to be I'm not even getting into
policy opportunities yet. I'm talking about crises. I'm talking about
leading the people of the state through tough times.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
It's going to be required.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
He has shown none of those skills whatsoever. Now, Wiser,
who's going to get beat by a drum, like a
drum by this guy.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
He'll be forced out of the race. He'll leave the race.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Hoping to get the Senate seat appointment. You know, Wiser
at least has accomplished some things. I mean, you look
at his life and I think Wiser would be a
lousy governor. But more over ideology, because Wiser is accomplished
some things. He worked hard. He became a US Supreme
Court clerk, which is very hard to get. You know,
He's accomplished some things in office. No, I don't agree
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with the things he's done in office. But Bennett is
just I'd say a bump on a log, but it
would be defamatory of every bump on a log out there.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
And that just goes to where's the drive, where's the passion,
where's the fun himself?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
But for himself, that's the drive.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yes, But can you know the same about Polis right
that he self aggrandizing, well, self indulgent.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Listen it, hey, listen to any of us in media,
anybody in politics. Right, these are people, you know, with
strong egos, they like attention, et cetera. So I'm never
going to criticize somebody for that. But what you would
say with a Polish or a Bennett whatever, is there
something more? Are they about something bigger than themselves? And
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do they have the skills to accomplish it? And when
you look at Bennett, it can be nothing other than
a resounding no. And then you match that right with
the ultimate arrogance, the ultimate entitlement, unearned by the way,
and where he's going to come in and say, this
is my Senate seat, this is my Senate seat, and
I'm going to decide who fills it next. So the
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Senate seat goes virtually ignored while he's here running for governor.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
That's just the ultimate arrogance.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
All I'm saying is he is one of the last
people on the face of the earth who should be
governor of Colorado, regardless of politics.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And not that he would get it, but it's the
only explanation that makes sense as to why Phil Wiser,
the primary opponent of Michael Bennett in the race on
the Democratic side, wouldn't have just hammered Bennett over holding
onto that Senate seat while also trying to run for governor.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
If he really wanted to be governor, Phil Wiser, he would.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Have taken that political opportunity and seized upon it.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
But instead, the only thing that makes sense is what
you said. He's going to stay quiet and he'll take.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
The Senate appointment from Bennett when Bennett wins the governor's race.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
That's lame.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
No, what's going on now, I believe right I don't
have subpoena power. I can't prove it, but what I've
believes going on is that Wiser is attempting to stay
in the race long enough and build enough of a
credible threat to Bennett that Wiser gets the Senate seat
for getting out of the race. That's what I think
is going on right now. I'm not suggesting illegality. I'm
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not suggesting that he's going to end up in Blagoyevich's
old cell. I'm talking about just the unstated, implicit understanding.
But right now, Wiser doesn't have the leverage because there's
no reason to believe right now that Wiser could beat Bennett.
So I think Wiser's trying to develop the leverage to
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be in position ay to get that Senate seat when
Wiser does get out of the race. That's my own theory.
I'm sticking to it, and Phil can come on and
tell me I'm wrong. If you'd like to, like Prime says,
ain't hard to find. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Of course we should be talking about how, yeah, if
you know, Speaker Johnson got his way, it wouldn't be possible,
not just for gay people to get married, but for
straight people to get divorced, let alone like birth control.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Or how he would want to regulate porn or whatever.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
People most people would have a problem with.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
These guys are so stupid. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I know they have technically, they have high intelligence levels
a guy like buddhaj Edge, but they are so street stupid.
They do not understand that most Americans across party lines
have have what each of us consider to be a
strong sense of truth and fairness and right and wrong.
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And so when you tell obvious whopper lies like that, Okay,
Mike Johnston doesn't want you to be able to get divorced.
Stuff like that. All the Democrats are doing is hurting themselves.
But since their existence right now depends upon lying, because
they know the truth will not win for them, they
try to, I guess, earn their bones and get street
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cred within the party by proving they will tell the
biggest whoppers. It's a remarkable thing, you know, But I
hope they keep doing it because they just keep hurting themselves.
And I know there are probably folks in this audience thinking,
wait a second, Dan, you're wrong about Democrats. You know,
the Democrats don't believe in truth, this and that. I
really think you have to distinguish between the people who
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own and operate the Democratic Party and at least a
decent swath of typical Democrats. And I put that decent
swath part, what do you think the percentage on the
decent swaths would be, Ryan, I'd say, depending on where
you are, but at least half. And I know that
because I was a Democrat for a long time. Virtually
everybody in my family, in fact, everybody in my family
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outside of Colorado's Democrat. And these are good people. With
their honest people with morals and principles, and they care
about truth. Now they see things politically different, and I do.
And a lot of that is just they could never
imagine being a Republican. But yeah, so that they are
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not going to respect or take kindly to, or want
to vote for people on their own side who just
blatantly lie. Now in the end, they might go ahead
and do it anyway just because they can't vote for
the Republican in their mind.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
They haven't reached that point yet. We need to change that.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
But yeah, so stuff like that from Buddha Jeed, Yeah,
keep it coming. That's that's good for our side. Three
or three someone three A two five five of the
number text d A N five seven seven three nine.
And by our side, I don't mean Republicans. By our side,
I mean the people who are right about things and
want to save this place and the country. The country, Ryan,
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I think is in much better shape than the state
right because don't you think the country right now is
just tracking conservative?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
And I think the Democratic Party feels that way and
they're scared by it, except for kind of a haven
here in Colorado where they feel empowered and they feel
bold and to pass these trands, the kids laws, and
I've been talking about that on my program as well.
And this is where there's a disconnect. I think the
good Democrats you're describing, I remember them. I mean I
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used to be friends with a lot of them. I
have voted in the past for Democrats.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
It's been a very long time.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
But I don't know how you can sit there and
square transing the kids, allowing trans individuals who are biological
males to rob girls and women sports and spaces, and
keep voting Democrats.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And it's nutty stuff, But yeah, you're right, they feel
like toorly bulletproof in Colorado. I'm looking at this headline
on CNN right now and it has video Putin war
hero killed in mysterious explosion deep inside Russia.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Now this goes back to what I was saying a
little while ago.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Putin and the Kremlin decide now they're going to umiliate
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That's not going to end well for Putin.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And I'm not talking about sanctions, and I'm not saying
that Trump or US intelligence had anything to do with that.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I know idea whether they did or not.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I'm just telling you that he's not going to end
well for Putin if he's decided the road he's going
down is publicly humiliating Donald Trump, And if you're president
of the United States, yeah, they'll be the sanctions talk.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
But that's nonsense.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Everybody knows, even though it should happen that in the end,
that's not going to change Putin's behavior. But I think Trump,
if Trump's determined to change Putin's behavior, Trump will change
Putin's behavior. And it will not be with US troops
on the ground in Ukraine, which should not happen. And
if US at this point, if Ukraine was allowed to
join NATO, it would happen. And Trump is not going
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to allow US troops on the ground, and he should not.
But that doesn't mean Putin's going to be safe. Three
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ground we want to cover. Do we have any more
good poetry? Before I get going on that in check,
I got to refresh. The Republicans are read, Democrats are blue.
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They fight among each other, but not for me and
you h oh, I like that one. Yeah, I mean
it's a rhymes at least. Yeah, But I because poetry
has to rhyme or it's not poetry. It can be
something else. It can be cool, but it's not poetry.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
What haiku?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And even though this rhymes, I don't agree with the
substance of it. I think there are a lot of
Republicans who fight for me and you, not all of them.
I can't think of a single Democrat right now. Maybe
I'm wrong, Maybe I'm.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Missing Kana California.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I think he's okay, okay, okay, Well let's be a
while we a'm on the show.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I'll reach out. He goes on Fox News quite a
bit for a Democrat.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Okay, Okay, No, I would love to do that.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I want to get you some of the hot sound
of the day as well. And as long as we
are talking about as long as we're talking about Russia
and Ukraine out right now, which we should be, by
the way, because I think some things are about to
happen there. Joe Scarborough must listen to this show, because
he did a one to eighty in the last twenty
four hours. I remember yesterday I was talking about how
(15:56):
Scarborough these guys are nutty, thinking that that somehow Donald
Trump's going to slink away. Now that Putin's not giving
him what he wants quite the opposite. Then Scarborough magically
now sees that.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
The mocking of Donald Trump repeatedly by the Kremlin that
I don't know exactly how that helps some of the negotiations, but.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
We will see.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
The President has talked about two weeks before he makes
any decisions on sanctions. Obviously, in your fusion, in the
middle of negotiations, good faith negotiations, which needs to not
appear to be you don't slap sanctions on anybody in
the middle of negotiations.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, so, yeah, no, this will not end well for Putin.
Why do you think Putin did this?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I don't know the calculation there, because he has to understand,
especially with the public nature. And I think Scarborough touched
on that if he's going to start kind of barking
up the wrong tree, so to speak, Trump's not going
to shy away from sanctions or other types of bolstering
of Ukraine. You know, the minerals deal that he made.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
But sanctions. Everybody knows sanctions won't get it done.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Well, throttling the oil production and if in Trump is
threaton to do this to blacklist countries that are willing
to buy Russian oil, and they won't do The United
States will not do business if you buy Russian oil.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
He did that to Ihran, and he could do that
to Russia too.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, you know, I think one of the possibilities here
is when you talk about evil, right, like you and
I people listening to this show, we can't I'm sure,
even begin to understand that the depths of like satanic evil, right,
because we're not We're good people. But with Putin, you
step back and you look at it you're talking about,
I mean, what he does, there's no difference in what
(17:37):
Satan would do, right, It's just Satan in.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
A suit, and so that kind of evil.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yet at a certain point, rationality probably departs, and he
probably looked at Trump's overtures, his willingness to, you know,
just stand up to Zelensky with Zelensky's horrible oval office performance,
and he probably misread that and just believe that he
could go get whatever he wanted. And I think he's
(18:03):
about to learn the very hard way it does not
work that way with Donald J.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Trump.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So yeah, and it's not going to be by Trump's
sending Americans to fight in Ukraine. He should not need
will not. I think he's got other ways to teach.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Putin a lesson here and then hopefully bring peace.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Three or three is some one three eight two five
five text d A N five seven seven three nine.
A lot to do when we come back, including another
doctor to talk about the medical.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Reality of abortion.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
We're not going to be talking ideology or anything, just
the medical reality, which would cause a lot of people
to believe.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
We have to end that now.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast That
could be awkward, very difficult. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, this is where you say, did.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
You ever want to pay doctor Caplis? Was that ever
a possibility?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I am one, Come on, I am serious.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
No, No, it's not a technicality.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
This is a problem in society right now because no,
we are doctors, but nobody ever calls us that.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
You are more of a doctor, in my mind than
doctor Jill Biden.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Well wow, what I praise?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, yeah, no, but I mean literally literally, and I'm
a little disappointed in that because we are, in fact doctor.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Well, if you were a professor and wouldn't taught law,
let's see it, see you.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Boulder, wouldn't call me doctor. They wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
No, No, our broadcasting professors are really a stranger.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Got order to get something out of a Whedy's box,
called me doctor.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, no, I go, So I do all this and
that do it for forty years, it says, juris doctor.
But nobody's calling me doctor.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
That's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, yeah, except my wife.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Now we go.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
This is all a build up to going to our
special guests, doctor Tom Prell, who is president of Democrats
for Life in Colorado and is kind enough to step
in today for doctor Catherine Wheeler, who is We're doing
this regular segment where we just talk about the medical
facts pertaining to abortion because there's a guy who wants
(20:16):
to save all of these innocent babies. I'm a firm
believer after decades on air that the best way to
get there is just to keep getting people the true
medical facts about babies and human development and abortion. And
that's the best chance to persuade. And so doctor Tom
(20:37):
Prall kind enough to join us read the buyo off
The Colorado Sun of Inglewood, Colorado is a retired internal
medicine and hospital medicine physician and president of Democrats for
Life of Colorado. He is a Fellow of the American
College of Physicians and Society of Hospital Medicine, a fellow doctor.
Welcome to the Dan Caplis Shall, Thanks Dan for having me, Well.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Thanks for being here. Why don't people call lawyers doctors?
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, easy answer.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They don't like us, right, they like you, and everybody
likes doctor Tom.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Nobody likes doctor Dan, not as a doctor.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
That yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, But thanks for being here, Tom, because it has
been so valuable to have Catherine with us each week.
And we don't do the normal, uh you know, ideological
discussions of abortion or policy issues. We just have real
doctors talking real medicine.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And so today.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
We're just going to go back to the basics and
talk about human development from a strictly factual medical standpoint.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
So doctor take the floor. Just picture the auditorium filled
with eager medical students and tell it like it is.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Yeah. I mean, it's because the arguments that are put
forward by Bush advocates stress woman's choice about but only
appealing if you totally.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
We've got a little challenge with technology here because we're
getting about every other word, and they're good words, but
we're getting about every other word, can we get a
little better connection?
Speaker 7 (22:30):
Uh? Can you hear me? Now?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, Hey, I'd trademark that. Yeah, now that's that's better duck.
Can you can you start over?
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Yeah? I was just saying that WASH advocates that's the
important woman's choice in BODI autonomy, which is appealing only
if you know the fact that terminating a pregnancy means
killing another human being, and that of a human being
has their own value, dignity and right to on leo autonomy.
(23:02):
And you know, from a medical perspective, the abortion industry
frequently tries to guess light us by suggesting that nobody
really knows when a human life begins, you know, which
is really a very crazy notion, since established the fact
that human life begins at fertilization in the late nineteenth century,
(23:24):
and so it's not a new In fact, the Human
Embryology book that is the standard textbook in all medical
schools across the country, you know in the first paragraph
that a new human being is formed by the unit,
the union of the sperm and the ovum, and that's
(23:46):
the start of human development and the human human being.
And it emphasize the fact that this is fal Jacobs
from the University of Chicago during his PhD dissertation, conducted
a survey of biologists over fifty five hundred who the
(24:07):
public was the most a sort of profession to make
established when human life begins at Ninety percent of those
biologists said that, you know, affirm the biological view that
human life begins at fertilization.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Can I stop you there for a second, doctor Tom Prologuess,
Let me stop you there for a second and thank
you for that.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
How could anybody disagree with that? Right?
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I mean, isn't that ideology a side? Isn't that like
disagreeing with the sun rising in the east? Because what
is that proof? I know, you know, but what is
that proof that human life is in fact does in
fact begin at fertilization? And how do we know that medically?
Aside from safe philosophical beliefs.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Well, the definition of an organism means that it's a
able to direct its own development and on physiology and
the human zygo, which is the you know, the cell
that results in the union of the sperm and the ovum,
that's exactly that it directs its own development. It's not
(25:15):
dependent on the mother to direct it. It is self
directing and that's the definition of an organism or human being.
And you know, the notion that human life begins some
other time is really archaic notion. You know, back in
the you know, the Middle Ages, you know, when you
(25:36):
had quickening, which is when the mother felt that maybe
they assumed that's the life began. But that's because they
didn't have a view, right, the right of embryology. So
you know, it's pretty clear. And to suggest the wise.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Doctor's so sorry, public, so sorry to interrupt, because I
just love of the wisdom you're dropping directing its own development, right, Obviously,
this human life, it's dependent upon the mother for certain
forms of support, but it's directing its own development. And
that there's nobody, right, I assume within the medical community
who doubts that this is in fact a human organism
(26:18):
that's growing. So it's human, it's alive, it's directing its
own development.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
What more do they want?
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Yeah, I mean there should I mean there should be nothing.
It's not a human being. That that's a bargment. But
people try to suggest that it being until it's born,
which is which is right, scientifically ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Right, that's such a key point. And again I'm so
sorry that we have this bad phone connection, doctor, and
because we are getting about every other word, but that's
such a key point, right, So if you're just looking
at the medicine for the reasons that you laid out,
which are in arguable, then clearly, as a matter of science,
you have a human life. When when people want to say,
(27:06):
oh no, we're not going to call it human until
it's born, that's not science base.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That's just their own political ideology or wish or philosophy.
But it ain't science, right.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
And and you know, there's some people saying that their
religion says it begins at birth, but again that's that's
not a scientific view, and it's certainly a marginal view
even if it's held by a religious you know established.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Oh yeah, And the purpose of these segments is, okay,
let's just start with science because I'm a firm believer
that that that's our best way to persuade. And doctor again,
I'm sorry we have this bad phone connection. But my
last question for you today, and I hope we have
you back again soon, is I know you've been a
real hero in the pro life movements, as you know,
head of Democrats for Life, but am I right in
(28:00):
leaving that the tremendous strides that have been made by
the pro life movement. A big part of that has
been ultrasounds, because people could see for themselves that they'd
been lied to. When people say it's a blob of tissue,
I mean, whoever, all the all the patients you ever had,
whoever went and showed their ultrasound picture and said, hey,
look at the picture of my fetus.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
Yeah, I mean, that's exactly right. We now have a
window into the life of the embryo and fetus. But
by the time a woman even recognizes she's pregnant, the
brain and heart are already developing. And you know, by
the sixth week, the heart is being as moving by
the nine fetus is ye preferences by swallowing the amnatic fluid.
(28:51):
I mean, it even develops acoustical memories in utero. So
this is a very sophisticated human being.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And the doctor thank you for all of that. I
am so sorry we have this bad phone connection, and
we'll look forward to having you back soon. Doctor Tomprell
also writes in The Colorado Sun, you're on the Dan
Kapler Show.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast Okay, summarizes
what we experienced over the two hours.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yea, all that, I would say, time of our lives.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah right now, right here, right now.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Sad to think about, but yeah, no lives. But what
a great song. That is just a great song. Some
songs instantly create good feeling. That is a great song.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I gotta imagine it's from one of Amy's all time
favorite movies. I'm just guessing here, total lark shot in
the dark type thing. What movie dirty dancing?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
H I'll ask her. I bet she is a great dancer.
I will ask her that.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
And I'm betting again a fan of Swayze, I will
ask you that is what Patrick swayzey, I will ask
you that as well.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I could see the resemblance Dansey, Yeah, I could see
that absolutely. But yeah, no, what a great dancer and
that that was probably one of the biggest challenges in
our relationship because you know, not to be self serving,
but I consider myself a really good athlete, real good rhythm,
all this and that. But the whole dancing thing, not
(30:24):
my sing, just like getting out in public and dancing.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And she's a great dancer.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
So we're dating or you know, we're newlyweds, we go
to these charity things, we're dancing. Everybody's watching her because
she's beautiful and a great dancer, and if they're watching her,
it means they're.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Seeing me, and that ain't good.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
But didn't you work very hard for your wedding reception
to be months?
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yea months?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, and you know how deep into the first dance
I messed it up? First step it had to be. Oh,
here's a great text.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Brigadier General Maurice Rose was a Colorado Jewish Man killed
in direct contact with the Germans and World War Two
when his jeep ran into a German tank and he
was shot and killed by the Germans. Rose hospital, right,
I'll double check that where our kids were born. So yeah,
we're just talking about top ten Colorado heroes and taking
(31:14):
some nominations. Not that we get to decide anything, but
it's fun to talk about, inspiring to talk about. Obviously
we're talking about Kendrick Castillo, Dave Sanders, Jack Phillips. It
came up in connection with another brave Colorado, another brave
person standing up the CEO of xaxx Y Athletics Alliance
(31:37):
Defending Freedom standing up against the obviously facially unconstitutional hospital
thirteen twelve, and that lawsuit was just filed. So we
had Hal Frampton the attorney on the show. We've had
Jennifer Say on our show before, founder and CEO of
xaxx y Levi.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
What didn't she used to be president? She used to
be president of.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Strauss Levi, Straussen Francisco President.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Then she spoke out against the COVID lockdowns for kids
and that led to a downward spiral that contributed to
her exodus from there. And then she moved her her operations,
her idea for XXXY Athletics right here to Colorado.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just looking at Maurice Rose right now.
Career officer United States Army turned the attained the rank
of major general, veteran of World War One and two,
commanding the third Armored Division when he was killed in
action in Germany during the closing days of the Second
World War, becoming the highest ranking American killed by enemy
(32:36):
fire during the war in Europe and died this very
heroic death. Yeah, now, very inspiring.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So who are the top ten heroes in Colorado? I
think it can come from all walks alive.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Somebody I think had suggested an earlier text when we
had this conversation, Kit Carson would be one, k K.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, oh, I'm just not sure the Coatail. Sorry, I'm
just not sure.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
You know, I'm kind of a wild West guy and
I admire a lot of those guys from back then. Yeah, wider,
Doc Holliday's buried here in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah yeah, and yeah, yeah, I just I'm not up
on all that. So you are the resident expert than that,
my friend. I did want to get to this sound
before the end of the show. Let me get to
this because it's.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Just so rich.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Here is Jake Teppero, I assume is going to be
running for the GOP nomination for something.
Speaker 8 (33:27):
I look at the way I covered, you know, the president,
some of the trials of the President, I thought were
you know, I think it's I think it is problematic
when people run for prosecutor and promise to go after
a specific politician. And both Letitia James, Attorney General of
New York, and Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney New York,
(33:47):
both of them did that, and that to me is
problematic because you're not saying this is the offense, and
we need to bring justice to this perpetrator. You're saying,
I'm going to go after him. And I think that
there was a degree to which that was tolerated by
(34:08):
the media at large.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I mean, I did note it at.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
The time, but like and in the bathroom, the same
thing talking to the president. So it's also a different degree.
People perceive it as more problematic.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
But look at what he's talking about.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
He's not talking about the underlying corrupt act of wrongfully
pursuing this prosecution. He's talking about how it was messaged, right,
And I said it at the time. I said it
at the time he did it. You know, Alvin Bragg
will end up being one of the biggest gifts ever
to the GOP, and and I'll be roundly despised on
(34:43):
the left because you just knew, you just knew that
corrupt prosecution was going to backfire him and help Trump.
And because of Trump's strength and courage, it did, and
the wisdom of the American people have voted for him.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Thank you, Ryan, Thank you Kelly Jonas. To morrow, Pleas
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