Dan never forgets. And Ryan's audio archives always deliver. We revisit the abomination of Governor Jared Polis infuriating victims' families after five motorists were incinerated by the runaway truck of Rogel Aguilera-Mederos. His commutation of a vast majority of the driver's sentence still rings hollow, after he refused to deny Kim Kardashian influenced his decision.
Dan juxtoposes this decision and treatment against that of Tina Peters, following President Trump announcing a federal pardon of a state charge - which will likely have no practical effect without intervention from Polis.
Dan juxtoposes this decision and treatment against that of Tina Peters, following President Trump announcing a federal pardon of a state charge - which will likely have no practical effect without intervention from Polis.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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single day on your favorite podcast platform. Hey, lots to
chew on this afternoon, all things Tina Peters in this
sense that as we were on Area yesterday, as you know,
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President Trump said that he is going to pardon Tina Peters,
and we talked about the fact that she was convicted
on state charges, as you know, and a president cannot
pardon state charges. And that brings us to this interesting
legal issue, and it appears to be where the administration's headed,
saying that Tina Peters was convicted on state charges of
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violating a law that pertained to her federal responsibilities. So
that's going to be an interesting issue that I expect
will work its way through the courts, probably slowly, but
it's out there now. What's very immediate and not theoretical
at all, is President Trump is obviously at this point
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intent on, you know, flexing his muscle and the administration's
muscle in Colorado to show his displeasure over the fact
that Tina Peters is not being transferred to a federal
facility as requested by the administration, where presumably they would
release her, and that at this point her sentence is
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not being commuted.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Et cetera.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So apparently the powers that be in Colorado, Colorado Democratic Party, police,
et cetera, they all seem to be on board with
this is, you know, taking the position that they're willing
to allow the state to suffer whatever harm the president
and is duly authorized role, which is a lot, you know,
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can inflict on Colorado for this mistreatment of Tina Peters.
And when I see mistreat, and I'm not referring to
the original charges in conviction, I think I think she
violated the law.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I think that she was right to be charged, and
she was right to be convicted.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
And I know there are many good people out there
who disagree with me on that, and I'm happy to
have that conversation. What I believe is so obviously unjust
at this point is the fact that she's now facing
this long stretch in prison, and given the conduct of
Polis and Wiser and other top Democrats toward people who
commit very serious, deadly crimes and given their overall attitude
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toward incarcerating people, which is pretty much don't I think
what we have right now is on the part of
Polis and Wiser and some others in the Democrat hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I think a very obviously politically.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Motivated a set of actions designed to keep Tina Peters
in jail much longer than she should be. And all
of this is against a backdrop where highly respected Federal
Magistrate Judge I believe my interpretation of his recent order
has acknowledged that there are very very serious questions about
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whether Tina Peters was sentenced more harshly because of First
Amendment protected speech. So, you know it just what's going
on right now, I think is it obviously stinks in
terms of this you know, long sentence she's facing, and
how the Democrats have this double standard, this very obvious
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double standard.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I mean, come on, you know you have a.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Case where you have this this trucker who kills five people,
burns him to death, and engages in the most deliberate,
reckless conduct you can imagine, so deliberate and reckless with
this eighty thousand pounds semi that Jerry and Jefferson County,
you know, convict them very quickly. The judge sentences him
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to one hundred years in prison, and at that point
police steps in and Polis steps over the jury. Polis
really in the obstruction of justice in its raws form.
I don't mean the criminally prosecutable type. I'm talking about morally.
Polis takes it away from the judge who has already
scheduled the resentencing hearing. Polis takes it away from the
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judge a week or two before the judge is going
to consider reconsider the sentence, and then Polis just arbitrarily
decides the sentence is going to be cut from one
hundred years to ten years, which means this mass killer
on our roadways gets out in about five And he's
the same guy at this point. He is, oh, no, no, no,
we're not no outside influences from Donald Trump. You know,
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Tina Peters was sentenced and that's what they're her sentence
is going to be. So you can see double standard
would be way too gentle. You can see the fundamental
dishonesty here, and that's no surprise to you or anybody else.
We all know there are a lot of honest people
in politics. But when it comes to something like the
justice system, you know, that makes it so much worse,
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doesn't it, Because when it comes to somebody's freedom, incarceration,
who's going to be incarcerated for how long? You would
think that any person of character, any person of virtue,
would say that, okay, we've got to treat that as sacred.
Everybody has to be treated equally. But yet you can
see what you have in Colorado. Now we're both polis
and wiser, you know, with a tremendous outcry over this,
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this allegedly unfair sentence to this mass killing trucker because
Kim Kardashian was whispering in poliss here, and there were.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Other political pressures from the left.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
But when it comes to this, you know, senior citizen,
gold star mom who committed a crime again, I think
she was properly charged and convicted, but committed a crime
that was not violent and did no long term harm.
Yeah that they just they just celebrate this long term incarceration.
And according to different reports, Rocking Mount Voice does a
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lot of good work in the story. You know, has
then moved Tina Peters into a form of solitary confinements.
So that's the situation we find ourselves in at the moment.
On yesterday's show, before the Trump pardon of Tina Peters,
I had which I've obviously as we discussed the questionable
legal effect of that, you know, I had predicted that
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police would commute, not pardon, but commute Tina Peter's sentence.
I still believe that is going to happen, and that
is going to happen at some point for the reasons
I laid out yesterday. But if I want to get
your take on this three at three seven one three
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And if you disagree with me and you think that
Tina Peters did the crime, she should do the ten
years with good time in Colorado. That means she probably
gets out in five or six. Happy to have that conversation.
I'd love to hero anybody would try to rationalize or
justify that, particularly given how the Democrats have chosen to
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treat killers and people who commit very very serious violent offenses.
Remember it's a Democrat bill right now that allows and
pull assigned it, that allows all these people who commit
all these horrific violent offenses, they kill, etc. To have
charges dismissed if they can show their permanently nuts.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yes, stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And yet that's the same Democratic party that wants to
dance on Tina Peters grave. Yeah, should have been convicted.
Its importantness in a message that hey, we have to
follow our election laws and everything else. But to me, Ryan,
it does start to become just a character issue when
you get people who take such obvious joy, obvious joy
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and long term incarceration of a senior citizen with no
prior record, no violent crime, should not have done what
she did, properly convicted, but didn't harm anybody in the process.
And then that's against the backdrop of their own candidate
for Attorney General, Jenna Griswold, you know, who then just
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puts all of these bios passwords out there on the
Internet for everybody to see. So, in a situation where
you have your own secretary of state now attorney general
candidate is a Democrat who puts all those bios passwords
out there, how can you possibly justify keeping Tina Peters
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in jail. So love your thoughts and all that. We
have much more to talk about President Trump, who, as
you know, I think has done historically great things and
will continue to do so. Is not perfect, as none
of us are as humans, but is on the verge
if you can believe these published reports of a particularly
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awful and consequential mistake. And so I'll touch on that when.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
We come back.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
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Speaker 2 (09:14):
You're on the Dankaplas Show.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I'm sorry that peanut butter was so good. I'm delicious,
just kept eating it.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Probably should have said, I thought you were switching to yogurt, Dan,
I did.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
How'd that go? Pretty well? Huh yeah, peanut butter is better. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I've got this great sports nutritionist. She's wonderful, and she's
introduced me to this whole triple zero yogurt thing thing.
And it's great because you know, I work out in
the mornings. I've got to tell you, the best money
we ever spent. And my wife and I were talking
about the other day. In our first year of marriage,
we had really wanted to put this workout equipment in
the basement. We just couldn't afford it, and we both
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remembered it was pinful to not be able to afford it,
but eventually we were and we put it in down there,
and it's just the best money we've ever spent, other
than feeding the kids. It's the best money we've ever
spent because by the time it would have taken me
to drive to the gym, now I've got the work
got in. But yeah, so she has me just eating
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this yogurt right after the workout. Feel great, then do
my normal breakfast stuff, et cetera. I know that's why
you tuned in, So we'll just keep talking about that
and then we'll have the show all to ourselves. I'm
just going to take the rest of this apple and
peanut butter out of my mouth and set it here
on the table this segment. Yeah, you've got a time,
those terrible time that wad Friday anyway, it is, and
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thank you for joining us. We're continuing to talk about this. Really,
you can't even call it hypocrisy. It's too general. Just
this fundamental dishonesty and lack of character and virtue on
the part of Polis and Wiser and the rest of them,
you know who just could not could not They were
tripping over themselves to go commit obstruction of justice and
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interfere with the court system and override the judge and
free the mass killing trucker you know who burned those
five people to death on I seventy.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
But now they're also righteous about.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Oh no, no, you know the court Tina Peters. She
was sentenced to nine years in jail. So yeah, we
know it wasn't violent, and we know there were no victims,
and we know she's a senior citizen and a gold
star mom, and we've just got to leave it to
the courts and leave her in jail. It's just it's
so wrong. And again, I think she was rightfully convicted.
(11:38):
I know many good people disagree. I'm happy to have
that conversation on air, but we're continuing to play that out.
I want to play some really important sound on that
in a second for you and talk about, you know,
where it goes from here. I know a lot of
people are saying, hey, man, is there anything that I
can do to help get justice in this process?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Etc? Next time vote for Republicans who are actually.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Going to enforce the laws evenly. But so we're going
to keep talking about that. I will fire that sound
in about the next forty seconds. But I do want
to let you know about another issue out there. And
as I said before the break, I've said.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
It on area.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I think President Trump is doing historically great things. He's
going to go down on this pace and track is
one of the great presidents in American history. But he
is only human, and he does make some mistakes, and
he's on the verge of making one of the biggest
mistakes of his life, let alone his presidency. And so
we'll talk about that in some more detail. And that is,
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if these published reports, including the Washington Post, are.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
To be believed, he is about to on.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
The federal level reschedule marijuana and this extraordinarily dangerous drug
that's doing so much harm to so many kids across
America and a lot of dead bodies on the roadways
and elsewhere, so much harm from what has become krak one.
I mean, even back in the cheech and chong kind
of stereotype days of you know, two percent to four
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percent leaf marijuana, it did so much harm that there
wasn't another city in the world that it legalized it
the way Colorado foolishly. Did you know back in twenty
twelve effective really in fourteen. But what we have now
now that these drug pushers and dealers, you know, have
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their nose under the tent, is now we have Krakawana,
which is.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
This uber high potency version.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Of marijuana which is much really much closer to to
crack than it is marijuana, and that's dominating, particularly with
the kids, and it's wreaking such harm.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
So I don't know why the President at this point is.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
On the verge of rescheduling to a Schedule three, which
is like tilan all level from a Schedule one.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
But it would just compound the disaster that Colorado was experienced.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
So in any case, we'll talk about that as well.
I do want to fire this sound for you, because
we have policies. Just he prides himself in dishonesty. It's
really a remarkable thing. Listen to his tweet today about
Tina Peters. Tina Peters was convicted by a jury of
her peers, prosecuted by a Republican district attorney, and found
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guilty of violating Colorado state laws, including criminal impersonation. Okay,
I agree with him to this point. Then he says,
no president has jurisdiction over state law or the power
to pardon a person for state convictions.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
We'll get into that, But here's the doozy.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
This is a matter for the courts to decide, and
we will abide by court orders. Since when, Jared, Since
when do you say that the criminal cases are a
matter for the courts to decide and that you abide
by court orders? Do you happen to remember a mass
killer named Rahel Aguilera Maderos. He knew that his brakes
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were overheated. He got out of the truck and saw it.
He got back into the tr anyway, roared down I
seventy out of the mountains, drove right past right pass
an emergency exit rem It was there, that signs are there.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
It's all on video.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
He drove right past signs that said truckers exit.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Here, runaway truck ramp.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
He chose to drive right past those and then as
he's coming at eighty ninety miles an hour toward stopped
rush hour traffic in the metro, he makes another decision
not to go right into the ditch, but to go
left and to stop traffic, and then he burns five
people alive to the point they were unrecognizable. So what
did you do there, Governor? Did you allow the court
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to decide? Did you abide by court orders? No? No,
you stomped on the neck of the jury in the
court A jury in Jefferson County Democrat run Jefferson County
convicted this trucker and a cup took a cup of
coffee to do it.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Because he was so obviously go I think.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The judge sentencing, according to Colorado lass, sentenced to one
hundred years.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
And then there was an.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Outcry and the judge scheduled a hearing to reconsider the sentence.
And then what did police do? Did you, as you
say in this tweet, we will abide by court orders?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
No, he did the exact opposite.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
What Polist did was just before the court was going
to hold its own hearing on whether it should shorten
the sentence. Polist stepped in after being romanced by Kim Kardashian,
and he just arbitrarily cut the sentence to ten years.
No anchor in the law or anything else, just arbitrarily
did it. So this mass killer gets out in about
five Now, what you're about to hear is some sound
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and we'll continue it after the break of Polis on
a zoom with victims of that mass killing.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Democratic Governor Jared Polis said that he wanted to end
the circus that was swirling around one hundred and ten
year sentence of a truck driver who killed four people
on I seventy. Governor's refused tell us about lobbying for
clemency by Hollywood stars like Kim Kardashian West, and now
we know how his meeting with the victims' families went.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Not well. Here's Marshall's eller.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
It is my hope that this gives you some closure
on this a.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Political your just as again, this is a recording provided
to next Democratic Governor Jared poulis telling survivors and victims'
family members he was commuting the sentence of I seventy
truck driver Rohell Aguilera Maderos from one hundred and ten
years to ten.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
The punishment that he receives will be what any Colorado
and would normally receive.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Photos dote today we received evidence from the trial videos
of the truck on I seventy ahead of the crash.
Next Thursday, the judge in the case had a hearing
set to reconsider the one hundred and ten year sentence.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Why is waiting two weeks not the right thing to do?
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Well again, I, based on our last conversation, I would
have done this last week, but I told you how
to wait past Monday to see if the courts did anything.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
They did and they said the day families look. Listen
to that exchange. I'll play the rest after the break.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Polis is such a liar, even to the face of
the victims who've just had their loved ones burned to
death by this killer trucker. And the loved one said, wait,
let the court act, and police said, okay, I'll wait
till next week.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
The court acted, as the victims just told him to
his face.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
The court said a hearing. But Polus knew the court
was going to reduce the sentence, but not as low
as Kim Kardashian wanted. So Polus then directly interfered with
the legal system bypassed the court.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And reduce the sentence. Yet he lets Peter's languish.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I can't remember an issue like this in the last
thirty years in Colorado, this Tina Peters issue, where obviously
now we have President Trump very focused on Colorado, and
I expect that the punishment of Colorado by the President
has only just begun. It appears that Polis and Wiser
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and the rest of the Democrats are very happy and
willing to have Colorado citizens, taxpayers, etc. Disadvantaged in whatever
number of ways that may occur, so that police can
keep Tina Peters in jail through her full sentence. Now,
you know me, as I said yes to, I expect
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he's going to commute that sentence at some point. But
as we sit here today, he says no, that they're
just going to you know, as I quoted in the
last segment, just follow the court orders.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Let the courts decide. Now.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Of course, what police and Wiser know is that the
court process.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Takes a long time.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
But they also know that they just had a highly
respected federal magistrate judge say that there are an I'm paraphrasing,
there are obvious serious questions about whether Tina Peters was
sentenced more harshly because of her protected First Amendment speech.
And to me, when you look at the underlying evidence,
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that's a strong suggestion the judge believes that she was.
So they know that what's going on right now is
the federal judge can't act because the state courts get
first crack adding and the Colorado state courts, like state
courts of every other state, they have a process and
that process takes time. So whereas Polis was willing to
jump in to please Kim Kardashian and others on the
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left and free the mass killing trucker because that was
a politically appealing cause to the left. You know, you
have this young mass killing trucker, A lot of kids
start signing petitions. Kim Kardashian gets involved. One hundred years
is too much time. But wait a second, that's what
Colorado law called for.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
That's how the.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Judge sentenced the jury convicted on multiple homicide charges. Polis
didn't honor the court orders there. In fact, the judge,
very respected judge ended up issuing a statement saying that
police had disrespected him. I'm paraphrasing the state. Yeah, So
why the different treatment here, It's pretty obvious, right, And
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it's what the left does.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
They politicize the legal system. They treat people differently within
the legal system depending on which party they're from, whether
they're from a favored class, things like that, and that undermines,
that undermines confidence and government in the system in ways
that very few other things can do. So pure Banana
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Republic stuff, and that's what we're getting from him right now.
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I do want to play this full sound for you,
because again we have police coming out today and saying
we will abide by the court orders, which he clearly
did not do in the killer Trucker case. He ignored
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the court order, ignored the sentence hearing that was coming
up in a week, and instead stepped in to arbitrarily
and unilaterally cut the sentence from one hundred years to ten,
meaning the killer will be out in about five And
so I want you to hear this very well done
story from Kusa back when this happened, where then Polus is.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
On a zoom with the victims.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Obviously somebody on that zoom taped it and provided it
to Kusa and then just just listened to how he
tries to justify to the victims, stepping in and taking
it away from the judge.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Democratic Governor Jared Polis said that he wanted to end
the circus that was swirling around one hundred and ten
years sentence of a truck driver who killed four people
on I seventy. The governors refused to tell us about
lobbying for clemency by Hollywood stars like Kim Kardashian West,
and now we know how his meeting with the victims'
families went not well.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Here's Marshall Zellinger, Andy, it.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Is my hope that just gives you some closure on this.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
This is fairly political your again.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
This is a recording provided to next Democratic Governor Jared
Polus telling survivors and victims' family members he was commuting
the sentence of I seventy truck driver Rohelle Aguilera Maderos
from one hundred and ten years to ten.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
The punishment that he receives will be what any Colorado
would normally receive, a.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Lot for killa.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
We received evidence from the trial videos of the truck
on I seventy ahead of the crash. Next Thursday, the
judge in the case had a hearing set to reconsider
the one hundred and ten year sentence.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Why is waiting two weeks not the right thing to do?
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Well?
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Again, I based on our last conversation that I would
have done this last week, but I told you i'd
wait past Monday to see if the courts did anything.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
They did and they said be gaged.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Families looking for an explanation got a repeated answer, why
did you think that you should do this instead of
passing on it?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Why is it not.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
The right thing to wait two weeks?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I'll read that section of the paragraph of a love
letter again. No, no, now, I answer that question.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Earlier this week, Kyle was able to ask the governor
the same question.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Why didn't you let it play out before you intervened?
Speaker 5 (24:13):
So here's why this isn't the fault of the judge
who passed the sentence.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
The judges hands were tied.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
That was true at the time of sentencing based on
the charges Aguilera Maderos was found guilty of, but next
week's hearing was part of the judicial process that allowed
for the judge to reconsider. Some of these family members
wanted the judge to reconsider, not the governor, and certainly
not celebrities who had the governor's ear.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And what did Kim Kardashian West want you to do?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Why I haven't read all of her tweets. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
There were certainly people that wanted a complete.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Called hardening of the crime.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Why do we continue to ask if the governor was
guided by Kim Kardashian West because I've received multiple tips
that he talked with her about this case. That's why
so our questions have been what did she ask for
versus what families were asking for?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Because then you could ask how the governor weighed the
two for what it's worth. I think I asked him
three times. I know you've asked him at least twice.
The answers are yes or no, and we've yet to
get one of those to the issue of the sentence
in the first place, mandatory minimums and the rules that
they place on judges. The governor seemed to suggest he's
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interested in taking that up with the legislature.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Yeah, he has Democratic leaders at the Legislator yesterday ahead
of the new session, and in the House Speaker Alec
Garnett made it in our conversation, made it sound like
the DA's already have the discretion and what they can
charge someone with. In the Senate, Majority Leader Steve Fenberg
seemed open to the idea of perhaps reform right.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And this was a Democrat da who brought these charges
because the conduct was so willful, it was so conscious.
This isn't a truck driver who the son gets in
his eyes and he hits somebody.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
This is a guy he knew his brakes were hot.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
He got out of the truck, his company said, day
out of the truck, he saw, he saw the break smoking,
and he chose to get back in the truck. And
then he chose to drive past the runaway truck ramp
after he was out of control. Then as he comes
upon stop trush hour traffic, he decides not to ditch
it on the right, but to drive straight into the
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back of stop traffic, and he burns five people alive.
And that's the guy Polus steps in for takes it
away from the judge, overrules the judge, and then Polus
has the gall and dishonesty to tweet today about Tina
Peters quote.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
This is a matter for the courts.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
To decide, and we will abide by court orders, but
not in a case where the trucker burns to death
five people.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Tell me what the difference is here? Why is he
treating this one differently?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, And that's just insidious. Is Tina Peters guilty as charged?
In my opinion, absolutely, she should have been charged. The
conviction was just. I know some good people disagree with me.
Let's have that conversation. But when it comes to whether
she should get sentence relief, give me a break. On
the one hand, you have the mass killer trucker who
(27:11):
burned five people to death, and then on the other
hand you had Tina Peters crime which she should have
been charged with and convicted for, but no victims, no violence,
she has no prior history. She's a senior citizen and
a gold star monk. It just shows you. It just
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shows you, doesn't it The true character of people like
Jared Polis and Phil Wiser, who phil Wiser now so
holier than now. Oh no, we're not interfering with our
legal system. He was cheerleading for a big sentence reduction
for the mass highway killer.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I will come back. We'll turn it over to callers
and take some taxiles. I want to get to this
issue of the president who's done so many great things
on the verge of yeah, yeah, but we got to
hit this brake, right.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah. So that was my friend Ryan in my ear there.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I don't want you to think I'm just talking to
like imaginary figures or anything, but I want to talk
about the president on the verge of a catastrophic mistake,
and it would be so sad given all the great
things none otherwise.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You're on the Dan Caplas Show.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Boy, we need heroes more than ever. Let's go back
to the phone line, so we'll.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Start an Akron Colorado. Jerry, You're on the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Welcome.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
Yeah, a little bit about where I'm from. I'm independent,
almost on the verge of libertarian. I've been a law
enforcement officer in Colorado for almost fifty years, thank you,
and Trump had no business getting in the middle of that.
(29:05):
Two The Democrats have ruined the safety law enforcement in
Colorado in the past couple of years. Somebody gets arrested,
judges are forced to kick him out on a personal
recognizance bawn almost no matter what they've done, domestic violence, assaults,
(29:27):
the UIs. I had a guy in my jail killed
two people, an illegal alien got kicked out on a
two thousand.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Bond, and I don't think.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
He's gonna come back. I'd be surprised if he does.
But the point is criminal justice in Colorado it's worthless.
I was hoping to do fifty years in law enforcement,
but I don't know that I'm gonna make it. The
way Colorado's changed the laws, I've seen many felonies turned
(30:01):
into misdemeanors as a matter of fact, to burglary, depending
on the circumstances, can be a misdemeanor. So you know,
all these serious crimes where somebody's assaulted or their personal
safety is threatened, the legislature treats it there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah no, And I'm glad you mentioned legislature because you
have so many good people in the criminal justice system
in Colorado, starting with law enforcement. But then you have
the heavy hand of the left that controls the state
legislature and the governor's office come.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
In and undermine all of that.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
And then when the system works and you get this
conviction of the mass killing trucker, police just comes in
and takes it away from the judge and slashes the
sentence to whatever Kim Kardashian want.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
I have no issues with the district attorneys for the
most part, or for the judges for the most part,
but their hands are tied by the legislature. And I
lay all this on the legislature. Why my friend, Colorado
was a great place to live when I came.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Out, Well, why did you? Why'd you say that? You
think Trump's wrong to get.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
Involved because it's a state matter, and I think the
states should have an opportunity to deal with it first. Trump,
I don't like the FEDS getting involved in state matters.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
No, and I hear you on that.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
But it's interesting because we have Phil Wiser come out
and we'll play some of that sound and Wiser say
it's bedrock and I'm paraphrasing bedrock American this and that
that that these issues are left to the states. That's
correct in general, but as you know better than I do,
you've devoted your life to it. You know what our
constitution provides for is if a state is taking away
(31:46):
federal constitutional rights, then the Feds can step in. And
we've had a highly respected federal magistrate judge you know,
acknowledge that there are serious questions I'm paraphrasing serious questions
about whether work through the system.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
Yeah, but she's going to do the appeals.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Well, you are correct that well, yes, you're correct that
the judge is found under the younger doctrine that it
has to play out in the Colorado system. First, all
I'm saying is there are some circumstances where the federal
government can step in through hibeas corpus if a state
is obviously violating the federal constitutional rights of an American citizen.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
Right, there's a system, got to follow the system, follow
the rules.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, the system also allows a president certain powers. Now
I agree with you, he doesn't have pardon power here.
It raises an interesting legal issue that will get litigated.
But in the end, I don't think his pardon is
going to be effective here. But how do you feel
about the president saying Okay, that's the way it's going
to be. Then then Colorado's going to lose out. Because
(32:56):
I'm the president, I won that election. I have discretion
on where certain federal funds go. I have discretion on
whether to conduct investigations or not if they're otherwise justified.
How do you feel about Polus and Wiser inviting that
kind of downside to Colorado.
Speaker 8 (33:15):
Well, just by them getting elected, I think they brought
a downside Colorado.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Answer, good answer, But wait, Colorado did that to itself. Yeah, yeah,
hey man, thank you for your service.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
Yeah. Whoever the people elected, they deserve who they elect.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
Ultimately was it comes.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
To, yeah, thank you man, appreciate the call. And for
almost fifty years of service. That is impressive. Let me
get to some text and then in the five o'clock hour,
I do want to mix this with the president on
the verge of a monumental, catastrophic mistake if he goes
ahead now and reschedules marijuana from Schedule one to Schedule three,
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and we'll get into more detail on that.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Remember Polus also interfered with the legal system when he
moved Nathan Dunlop from death row to life in prison.
Dan Kardashian has a lot of money to put toward
his presidential campaign.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
She also has. I'm not going there.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
And the sad thing is, I will bet you he
didn't even get I've never suggested she lined his pockets
personally or even that there was going to be some
big donation to a presidential campaign.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I mean, Polis has plenty of money.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
My guess is, and you know, we'll we'll never know
because Polis won't even acknowledge the call that obviously happened.
My guess is that he just got starstruck. It was
enough for her to just whisper in his ear for
him to be willing to step in, take it away
from the judge and disrespect these victims so profoundly. You
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heard them on that call, the victims toward Polis, And
I'll play that again in the five o'clock hour. So
probably all just in exchange for Oh, Kim Kardashian online
one new anything you want, Kim, do you do a
good Kim Kardashian because I do not know?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, alrighty, great texts coming in. So that's all we'll
do in the five and then I do have one
funny story to tell you, though now that I think
about it, I think maybe.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Only I think it's funny, But we will. We'll talk
some more about Tina Peters
Speaker 1 (35:24):
And why while I think she was rightfully convicted, that
this sentence is fundamentally unfair and Poulis is being a
hypocrite
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and to subscribe, download and listen to the show every
single day on your favorite podcast platform. Hey, lots to
chew on this afternoon, all things Tina Peters in this
sense that as we were on Area yesterday, as you know,
(00:22):
President Trump said that he is going to pardon Tina Peters,
and we talked about the fact that she was convicted
on state charges, as you know, and a president cannot
pardon state charges. And that brings us to this interesting
legal issue, and it appears to be where the administration's headed,
saying that Tina Peters was convicted on state charges of
(00:48):
violating a law that pertained to her federal responsibilities. So
that's going to be an interesting issue that I expect
will work its way through the courts, probably slowly, but
it's out there now. What's very immediate and not theoretical
at all, is President Trump is obviously at this point
(01:09):
intent on, you know, flexing his muscle and the administration's
muscle in Colorado to show his displeasure over the fact
that Tina Peters is not being transferred to a federal
facility as requested by the administration, where presumably they would
release her, and that at this point her sentence is
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not being commuted.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Et cetera.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So apparently the powers that be in Colorado, Colorado Democratic Party, police,
et cetera, they all seem to be on board with
this is, you know, taking the position that they're willing
to allow the state to suffer whatever harm the president
and is duly authorized role, which is a lot, you know,
(01:54):
can inflict on Colorado for this mistreatment of Tina Peters.
And when I see mistreat, and I'm not referring to
the original charges in conviction, I think I think she
violated the law.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I think that she was right to be charged, and
she was right to be convicted.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
And I know there are many good people out there
who disagree with me on that, and I'm happy to
have that conversation. What I believe is so obviously unjust
at this point is the fact that she's now facing
this long stretch in prison, and given the conduct of
Polis and Wiser and other top Democrats toward people who
commit very serious, deadly crimes and given their overall attitude
(02:39):
toward incarcerating people, which is pretty much don't I think
what we have right now is on the part of
Polis and Wiser and some others in the Democrat hierarchy.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I think a very obviously politically.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Motivated a set of actions designed to keep Tina Peters
in jail much longer than she should be. And all
of this is against a backdrop where highly respected Federal
Magistrate Judge I believe my interpretation of his recent order
has acknowledged that there are very very serious questions about
(03:13):
whether Tina Peters was sentenced more harshly because of First
Amendment protected speech. So, you know it just what's going
on right now, I think is it obviously stinks in
terms of this you know, long sentence she's facing, and
how the Democrats have this double standard, this very obvious
(03:33):
double standard.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I mean, come on, you know you have a.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Case where you have this this trucker who kills five people,
burns him to death, and engages in the most deliberate,
reckless conduct you can imagine, so deliberate and reckless with
this eighty thousand pounds semi that Jerry and Jefferson County,
you know, convict them very quickly. The judge sentences him
(03:59):
to one hundred years in prison, and at that point
police steps in and Polis steps over the jury. Polis
really in the obstruction of justice in its raws form.
I don't mean the criminally prosecutable type. I'm talking about morally.
Polis takes it away from the judge who has already
scheduled the resentencing hearing. Polis takes it away from the
(04:22):
judge a week or two before the judge is going
to consider reconsider the sentence, and then Polis just arbitrarily
decides the sentence is going to be cut from one
hundred years to ten years, which means this mass killer
on our roadways gets out in about five And he's
the same guy at this point. He is, oh, no, no, no,
we're not no outside influences from Donald Trump. You know,
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Tina Peters was sentenced and that's what they're her sentence
is going to be. So you can see double standard
would be way too gentle. You can see the fundamental
dishonesty here, and that's no surprise to you or anybody else.
We all know there are a lot of honest people
in politics. But when it comes to something like the
justice system, you know, that makes it so much worse,
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doesn't it, Because when it comes to somebody's freedom, incarceration,
who's going to be incarcerated for how long? You would
think that any person of character, any person of virtue,
would say that, okay, we've got to treat that as sacred.
Everybody has to be treated equally. But yet you can
see what you have in Colorado. Now we're both polis
and wiser, you know, with a tremendous outcry over this,
(05:31):
this allegedly unfair sentence to this mass killing trucker because
Kim Kardashian was whispering in poliss here, and there were.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Other political pressures from the left.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
But when it comes to this, you know, senior citizen,
gold star mom who committed a crime again, I think
she was properly charged and convicted, but committed a crime
that was not violent and did no long term harm.
Yeah that they just they just celebrate this long term incarceration.
And according to different reports, Rocking Mount Voice does a
(06:04):
lot of good work in the story. You know, has
then moved Tina Peters into a form of solitary confinements.
So that's the situation we find ourselves in at the moment.
On yesterday's show, before the Trump pardon of Tina Peters,
I had which I've obviously as we discussed the questionable
legal effect of that, you know, I had predicted that
(06:26):
police would commute, not pardon, but commute Tina Peter's sentence.
I still believe that is going to happen, and that
is going to happen at some point for the reasons
I laid out yesterday. But if I want to get
your take on this three at three seven one three
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seven seven three nine, how do you think this ends?
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And if you disagree with me and you think that
Tina Peters did the crime, she should do the ten
years with good time in Colorado. That means she probably
gets out in five or six. Happy to have that conversation.
I'd love to hero anybody would try to rationalize or
justify that, particularly given how the Democrats have chosen to
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treat killers and people who commit very very serious violent offenses.
Remember it's a Democrat bill right now that allows and
pull assigned it, that allows all these people who commit
all these horrific violent offenses, they kill, etc. To have
charges dismissed if they can show their permanently nuts.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yes, stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And yet that's the same Democratic party that wants to
dance on Tina Peters grave. Yeah, should have been convicted.
Its importantness in a message that hey, we have to
follow our election laws and everything else. But to me, Ryan,
it does start to become just a character issue when
you get people who take such obvious joy, obvious joy
(07:59):
and long term incarceration of a senior citizen with no
prior record, no violent crime, should not have done what
she did, properly convicted, but didn't harm anybody in the process.
And then that's against the backdrop of their own candidate
for Attorney General, Jenna Griswold, you know, who then just
(08:21):
puts all of these bios passwords out there on the
Internet for everybody to see. So, in a situation where
you have your own secretary of state now attorney general
candidate is a Democrat who puts all those bios passwords
out there, how can you possibly justify keeping Tina Peters
(08:42):
in jail. So love your thoughts and all that. We
have much more to talk about President Trump, who, as
you know, I think has done historically great things and
will continue to do so. Is not perfect, as none
of us are as humans, but is on the verge
if you can believe these published reports of a particularly
(09:03):
awful and consequential mistake. And so I'll touch on that when.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
We come back.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
See if you agree three or three seven one three
eight two five five text d A N five seven
seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You're on the Dankaplas Show.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I'm sorry that peanut butter was so good. I'm delicious,
just kept eating it.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Probably should have said, I thought you were switching to yogurt, Dan,
I did.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
How'd that go? Pretty well? Huh yeah, peanut butter is better. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I've got this great sports nutritionist. She's wonderful, and she's
introduced me to this whole triple zero yogurt thing thing.
And it's great because you know, I work out in
the mornings. I've got to tell you, the best money
we ever spent. And my wife and I were talking
about the other day. In our first year of marriage,
we had really wanted to put this workout equipment in
the basement. We just couldn't afford it, and we both
(09:57):
remembered it was pinful to not be able to afford it,
but eventually we were and we put it in down there,
and it's just the best money we've ever spent, other
than feeding the kids. It's the best money we've ever
spent because by the time it would have taken me
to drive to the gym, now I've got the work
got in. But yeah, so she has me just eating
(10:18):
this yogurt right after the workout. Feel great, then do
my normal breakfast stuff, et cetera. I know that's why
you tuned in, So we'll just keep talking about that
and then we'll have the show all to ourselves. I'm
just going to take the rest of this apple and
peanut butter out of my mouth and set it here
on the table this segment. Yeah, you've got a time,
those terrible time that wad Friday anyway, it is, and
(10:41):
thank you for joining us. We're continuing to talk about this. Really,
you can't even call it hypocrisy. It's too general. Just
this fundamental dishonesty and lack of character and virtue on
the part of Polis and Wiser and the rest of them,
you know who just could not could not They were
tripping over themselves to go commit obstruction of justice and
(11:05):
interfere with the court system and override the judge and
free the mass killing trucker you know who burned those
five people to death on I seventy.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
But now they're also righteous about.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Oh no, no, you know the court Tina Peters. She
was sentenced to nine years in jail. So yeah, we
know it wasn't violent, and we know there were no victims,
and we know she's a senior citizen and a gold
star mom, and we've just got to leave it to
the courts and leave her in jail. It's just it's
so wrong. And again, I think she was rightfully convicted.
(11:38):
I know many good people disagree. I'm happy to have
that conversation on air, but we're continuing to play that out.
I want to play some really important sound on that
in a second for you and talk about, you know,
where it goes from here. I know a lot of
people are saying, hey, man, is there anything that I
can do to help get justice in this process?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Etc? Next time vote for Republicans who are actually.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Going to enforce the laws evenly. But so we're going
to keep talking about that. I will fire that sound
in about the next forty seconds. But I do want
to let you know about another issue out there. And
as I said before the break, I've said.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
It on area.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I think President Trump is doing historically great things. He's
going to go down on this pace and track is
one of the great presidents in American history. But he
is only human, and he does make some mistakes, and
he's on the verge of making one of the biggest
mistakes of his life, let alone his presidency. And so
we'll talk about that in some more detail. And that is,
(12:34):
if these published reports, including the Washington Post, are.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
To be believed, he is about to on.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
The federal level reschedule marijuana and this extraordinarily dangerous drug
that's doing so much harm to so many kids across
America and a lot of dead bodies on the roadways
and elsewhere, so much harm from what has become krak one.
I mean, even back in the cheech and chong kind
of stereotype days of you know, two percent to four
(13:02):
percent leaf marijuana, it did so much harm that there
wasn't another city in the world that it legalized it
the way Colorado foolishly. Did you know back in twenty
twelve effective really in fourteen. But what we have now
now that these drug pushers and dealers, you know, have
(13:22):
their nose under the tent, is now we have Krakawana,
which is.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
This uber high potency version.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Of marijuana which is much really much closer to to
crack than it is marijuana, and that's dominating, particularly with
the kids, and it's wreaking such harm.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
So I don't know why the President at this point is.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
On the verge of rescheduling to a Schedule three, which
is like tilan all level from a Schedule one.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
But it would just compound the disaster that Colorado was experienced.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
So in any case, we'll talk about that as well.
I do want to fire this sound for you, because
we have policies. Just he prides himself in dishonesty. It's
really a remarkable thing. Listen to his tweet today about
Tina Peters. Tina Peters was convicted by a jury of
her peers, prosecuted by a Republican district attorney, and found
(14:15):
guilty of violating Colorado state laws, including criminal impersonation. Okay,
I agree with him to this point. Then he says,
no president has jurisdiction over state law or the power
to pardon a person for state convictions.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
We'll get into that, But here's the doozy.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
This is a matter for the courts to decide, and
we will abide by court orders. Since when, Jared, Since
when do you say that the criminal cases are a
matter for the courts to decide and that you abide
by court orders? Do you happen to remember a mass
killer named Rahel Aguilera Maderos. He knew that his brakes
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were overheated. He got out of the truck and saw it.
He got back into the tr anyway, roared down I
seventy out of the mountains, drove right past right pass
an emergency exit rem It was there, that signs are there.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
It's all on video.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
He drove right past signs that said truckers exit.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Here, runaway truck ramp.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
He chose to drive right past those and then as
he's coming at eighty ninety miles an hour toward stopped
rush hour traffic in the metro, he makes another decision
not to go right into the ditch, but to go
left and to stop traffic, and then he burns five
people alive to the point they were unrecognizable. So what
did you do there, Governor? Did you allow the court
(15:44):
to decide? Did you abide by court orders? No? No,
you stomped on the neck of the jury in the
court A jury in Jefferson County Democrat run Jefferson County
convicted this trucker and a cup took a cup of
coffee to do it.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Because he was so obviously go I think.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The judge sentencing, according to Colorado lass, sentenced to one
hundred years.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
And then there was an.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Outcry and the judge scheduled a hearing to reconsider the sentence.
And then what did police do? Did you, as you
say in this tweet, we will abide by court orders?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
No, he did the exact opposite.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
What Polist did was just before the court was going
to hold its own hearing on whether it should shorten
the sentence. Polist stepped in after being romanced by Kim Kardashian,
and he just arbitrarily cut the sentence to ten years.
No anchor in the law or anything else, just arbitrarily
did it. So this mass killer gets out in about
five Now, what you're about to hear is some sound
(16:42):
and we'll continue it after the break of Polis on
a zoom with victims of that mass killing.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Democratic Governor Jared Polis said that he wanted to end
the circus that was swirling around one hundred and ten
year sentence of a truck driver who killed four people
on I seventy. Governor's refused tell us about lobbying for
clemency by Hollywood stars like Kim Kardashian West, and now
we know how his meeting with the victims' families went.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Not well. Here's Marshall's eller.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
It is my hope that this gives you some closure
on this a.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Political your just as again, this is a recording provided
to next Democratic Governor Jared poulis telling survivors and victims'
family members he was commuting the sentence of I seventy
truck driver Rohell Aguilera Maderos from one hundred and ten
years to ten.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
The punishment that he receives will be what any Colorado
and would normally receive.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Photos dote today we received evidence from the trial videos
of the truck on I seventy ahead of the crash.
Next Thursday, the judge in the case had a hearing
set to reconsider the one hundred and ten year sentence.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Why is waiting two weeks not the right thing to do?
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Well again, I, based on our last conversation, I would
have done this last week, but I told you how
to wait past Monday to see if the courts did anything.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
They did and they said the day families look. Listen
to that exchange. I'll play the rest after the break.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Polis is such a liar, even to the face of
the victims who've just had their loved ones burned to
death by this killer trucker. And the loved one said, wait,
let the court act, and police said, okay, I'll wait
till next week.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
The court acted, as the victims just told him to
his face.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
The court said a hearing. But Polus knew the court
was going to reduce the sentence, but not as low
as Kim Kardashian wanted. So Polus then directly interfered with
the legal system bypassed the court.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And reduce the sentence. Yet he lets Peter's languish.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I can't remember an issue like this in the last
thirty years in Colorado, this Tina Peters issue, where obviously
now we have President Trump very focused on Colorado, and
I expect that the punishment of Colorado by the President
has only just begun. It appears that Polis and Wiser
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and the rest of the Democrats are very happy and
willing to have Colorado citizens, taxpayers, etc. Disadvantaged in whatever
number of ways that may occur, so that police can
keep Tina Peters in jail through her full sentence. Now,
you know me, as I said yes to, I expect
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he's going to commute that sentence at some point. But
as we sit here today, he says no, that they're
just going to you know, as I quoted in the
last segment, just follow the court orders.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Let the courts decide. Now.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Of course, what police and Wiser know is that the
court process.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Takes a long time.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
But they also know that they just had a highly
respected federal magistrate judge say that there are an I'm paraphrasing,
there are obvious serious questions about whether Tina Peters was
sentenced more harshly because of her protected First Amendment speech.
And to me, when you look at the underlying evidence,
(20:05):
that's a strong suggestion the judge believes that she was.
So they know that what's going on right now is
the federal judge can't act because the state courts get
first crack adding and the Colorado state courts, like state
courts of every other state, they have a process and
that process takes time. So whereas Polis was willing to
jump in to please Kim Kardashian and others on the
(20:29):
left and free the mass killing trucker because that was
a politically appealing cause to the left. You know, you
have this young mass killing trucker, A lot of kids
start signing petitions. Kim Kardashian gets involved. One hundred years
is too much time. But wait a second, that's what
Colorado law called for.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
That's how the.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Judge sentenced the jury convicted on multiple homicide charges. Polis
didn't honor the court orders there. In fact, the judge,
very respected judge ended up issuing a statement saying that
police had disrespected him. I'm paraphrasing the state. Yeah, So
why the different treatment here, It's pretty obvious, right, And
(21:12):
it's what the left does.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
They politicize the legal system. They treat people differently within
the legal system depending on which party they're from, whether
they're from a favored class, things like that, and that undermines,
that undermines confidence and government in the system in ways
that very few other things can do. So pure Banana
(21:35):
Republic stuff, and that's what we're getting from him right now.
Three oh three seven one three eight two five y
five the number text d an five seven seventy three nine.
I do want to play this full sound for you,
because again we have police coming out today and saying
we will abide by the court orders, which he clearly
did not do in the killer Trucker case. He ignored
(21:57):
the court order, ignored the sentence hearing that was coming
up in a week, and instead stepped in to arbitrarily
and unilaterally cut the sentence from one hundred years to ten,
meaning the killer will be out in about five And
so I want you to hear this very well done
story from Kusa back when this happened, where then Polus is.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
On a zoom with the victims.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Obviously somebody on that zoom taped it and provided it
to Kusa and then just just listened to how he
tries to justify to the victims, stepping in and taking
it away from the judge.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Democratic Governor Jared Polis said that he wanted to end
the circus that was swirling around one hundred and ten
years sentence of a truck driver who killed four people
on I seventy. The governors refused to tell us about
lobbying for clemency by Hollywood stars like Kim Kardashian West,
and now we know how his meeting with the victims'
families went not well.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Here's Marshall Zellinger, Andy, it.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Is my hope that just gives you some closure on this.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
This is fairly political your again.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
This is a recording provided to next Democratic Governor Jared
Polus telling survivors and victims' family members he was commuting
the sentence of I seventy truck driver Rohelle Aguilera Maderos
from one hundred and ten years to ten.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
The punishment that he receives will be what any Colorado
would normally receive, a.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Lot for killa.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
We received evidence from the trial videos of the truck
on I seventy ahead of the crash. Next Thursday, the
judge in the case had a hearing set to reconsider
the one hundred and ten year sentence.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Why is waiting two weeks not the right thing to do?
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Well?
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Again, I based on our last conversation that I would
have done this last week, but I told you i'd
wait past Monday to see if the courts did anything.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
They did and they said be gaged.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Families looking for an explanation got a repeated answer, why
did you think that you should do this instead of
passing on it?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Why is it not.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
The right thing to wait two weeks?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I'll read that section of the paragraph of a love
letter again. No, no, now, I answer that question.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Earlier this week, Kyle was able to ask the governor
the same question.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Why didn't you let it play out before you intervened?
Speaker 5 (24:13):
So here's why this isn't the fault of the judge
who passed the sentence.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
The judges hands were tied.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
That was true at the time of sentencing based on
the charges Aguilera Maderos was found guilty of, but next
week's hearing was part of the judicial process that allowed
for the judge to reconsider. Some of these family members
wanted the judge to reconsider, not the governor, and certainly
not celebrities who had the governor's ear.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And what did Kim Kardashian West want you to do?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Why I haven't read all of her tweets. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
There were certainly people that wanted a complete.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Called hardening of the crime.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Why do we continue to ask if the governor was
guided by Kim Kardashian West because I've received multiple tips
that he talked with her about this case. That's why
so our questions have been what did she ask for
versus what families were asking for?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Because then you could ask how the governor weighed the
two for what it's worth. I think I asked him
three times. I know you've asked him at least twice.
The answers are yes or no, and we've yet to
get one of those to the issue of the sentence
in the first place, mandatory minimums and the rules that
they place on judges. The governor seemed to suggest he's
(25:23):
interested in taking that up with the legislature.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Yeah, he has Democratic leaders at the Legislator yesterday ahead
of the new session, and in the House Speaker Alec
Garnett made it in our conversation, made it sound like
the DA's already have the discretion and what they can
charge someone with. In the Senate, Majority Leader Steve Fenberg
seemed open to the idea of perhaps reform right.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And this was a Democrat da who brought these charges
because the conduct was so willful, it was so conscious.
This isn't a truck driver who the son gets in
his eyes and he hits somebody.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
This is a guy he knew his brakes were hot.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
He got out of the truck, his company said, day
out of the truck, he saw, he saw the break smoking,
and he chose to get back in the truck. And
then he chose to drive past the runaway truck ramp
after he was out of control. Then as he comes
upon stop trush hour traffic, he decides not to ditch
it on the right, but to drive straight into the
(26:18):
back of stop traffic, and he burns five people alive.
And that's the guy Polus steps in for takes it
away from the judge, overrules the judge, and then Polus
has the gall and dishonesty to tweet today about Tina
Peters quote.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
This is a matter for the courts.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
To decide, and we will abide by court orders, but
not in a case where the trucker burns to death
five people.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Tell me what the difference is here? Why is he
treating this one differently?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, And that's just insidious. Is Tina Peters guilty as charged?
In my opinion, absolutely, she should have been charged. The
conviction was just. I know some good people disagree with me.
Let's have that conversation. But when it comes to whether
she should get sentence relief, give me a break. On
the one hand, you have the mass killer trucker who
(27:11):
burned five people to death, and then on the other
hand you had Tina Peters crime which she should have
been charged with and convicted for, but no victims, no violence,
she has no prior history. She's a senior citizen and
a gold star monk. It just shows you. It just
(27:34):
shows you, doesn't it The true character of people like
Jared Polis and Phil Wiser, who phil Wiser now so
holier than now. Oh no, we're not interfering with our
legal system. He was cheerleading for a big sentence reduction
for the mass highway killer.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I will come back. We'll turn it over to callers
and take some taxiles. I want to get to this
issue of the president who's done so many great things
on the verge of yeah, yeah, but we got to
hit this brake, right.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah. So that was my friend Ryan in my ear there.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I don't want you to think I'm just talking to
like imaginary figures or anything, but I want to talk
about the president on the verge of a catastrophic mistake,
and it would be so sad given all the great
things none otherwise.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You're on the Dan Caplas Show.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Boy, we need heroes more than ever. Let's go back
to the phone line, so we'll.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Start an Akron Colorado. Jerry, You're on the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Welcome.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
Yeah, a little bit about where I'm from. I'm independent,
almost on the verge of libertarian. I've been a law
enforcement officer in Colorado for almost fifty years, thank you,
and Trump had no business getting in the middle of that.
(29:05):
Two The Democrats have ruined the safety law enforcement in
Colorado in the past couple of years. Somebody gets arrested,
judges are forced to kick him out on a personal
recognizance bawn almost no matter what they've done, domestic violence, assaults,
(29:27):
the UIs. I had a guy in my jail killed
two people, an illegal alien got kicked out on a
two thousand.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Bond, and I don't think.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
He's gonna come back. I'd be surprised if he does.
But the point is criminal justice in Colorado it's worthless.
I was hoping to do fifty years in law enforcement,
but I don't know that I'm gonna make it. The
way Colorado's changed the laws, I've seen many felonies turned
(30:01):
into misdemeanors as a matter of fact, to burglary, depending
on the circumstances, can be a misdemeanor. So you know,
all these serious crimes where somebody's assaulted or their personal
safety is threatened, the legislature treats it there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah no, And I'm glad you mentioned legislature because you
have so many good people in the criminal justice system
in Colorado, starting with law enforcement. But then you have
the heavy hand of the left that controls the state
legislature and the governor's office come.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
In and undermine all of that.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
And then when the system works and you get this
conviction of the mass killing trucker, police just comes in
and takes it away from the judge and slashes the
sentence to whatever Kim Kardashian want.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
I have no issues with the district attorneys for the
most part, or for the judges for the most part,
but their hands are tied by the legislature. And I
lay all this on the legislature. Why my friend, Colorado
was a great place to live when I came.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Out, Well, why did you? Why'd you say that? You
think Trump's wrong to get.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
Involved because it's a state matter, and I think the
states should have an opportunity to deal with it first. Trump,
I don't like the FEDS getting involved in state matters.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
No, and I hear you on that.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
But it's interesting because we have Phil Wiser come out
and we'll play some of that sound and Wiser say
it's bedrock and I'm paraphrasing bedrock American this and that
that that these issues are left to the states. That's
correct in general, but as you know better than I do,
you've devoted your life to it. You know what our
constitution provides for is if a state is taking away
(31:46):
federal constitutional rights, then the Feds can step in. And
we've had a highly respected federal magistrate judge you know,
acknowledge that there are serious questions I'm paraphrasing serious questions
about whether work through the system.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
Yeah, but she's going to do the appeals.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Well, you are correct that well, yes, you're correct that
the judge is found under the younger doctrine that it
has to play out in the Colorado system. First, all
I'm saying is there are some circumstances where the federal
government can step in through hibeas corpus if a state
is obviously violating the federal constitutional rights of an American citizen.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
Right, there's a system, got to follow the system, follow
the rules.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, the system also allows a president certain powers. Now
I agree with you, he doesn't have pardon power here.
It raises an interesting legal issue that will get litigated.
But in the end, I don't think his pardon is
going to be effective here. But how do you feel
about the president saying Okay, that's the way it's going
to be. Then then Colorado's going to lose out. Because
(32:56):
I'm the president, I won that election. I have discretion
on where certain federal funds go. I have discretion on
whether to conduct investigations or not if they're otherwise justified.
How do you feel about Polus and Wiser inviting that
kind of downside to Colorado.
Speaker 8 (33:15):
Well, just by them getting elected, I think they brought
a downside Colorado.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Answer, good answer, But wait, Colorado did that to itself. Yeah, yeah,
hey man, thank you for your service.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
Yeah. Whoever the people elected, they deserve who they elect.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:38):
Ultimately was it comes.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
To, yeah, thank you man, appreciate the call. And for
almost fifty years of service. That is impressive. Let me
get to some text and then in the five o'clock hour,
I do want to mix this with the president on
the verge of a monumental, catastrophic mistake if he goes
ahead now and reschedules marijuana from Schedule one to Schedule three,
(34:00):
and we'll get into more detail on that.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Remember Polus also interfered with the legal system when he
moved Nathan Dunlop from death row to life in prison.
Dan Kardashian has a lot of money to put toward
his presidential campaign.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
She also has. I'm not going there.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
And the sad thing is, I will bet you he
didn't even get I've never suggested she lined his pockets
personally or even that there was going to be some
big donation to a presidential campaign.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I mean, Polis has plenty of money.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
My guess is, and you know, we'll we'll never know
because Polis won't even acknowledge the call that obviously happened.
My guess is that he just got starstruck. It was
enough for her to just whisper in his ear for
him to be willing to step in, take it away
from the judge and disrespect these victims so profoundly. You
(34:48):
heard them on that call, the victims toward Polis, And
I'll play that again in the five o'clock hour. So
probably all just in exchange for Oh, Kim Kardashian online
one new anything you want, Kim, do you do a
good Kim Kardashian because I do not know?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, alrighty, great texts coming in. So that's all we'll
do in the five and then I do have one
funny story to tell you, though now that I think
about it, I think maybe.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Only I think it's funny, But we will. We'll talk
some more about Tina Peters
Speaker 1 (35:24):
And why while I think she was rightfully convicted, that
this sentence is fundamentally unfair and Poulis is being a
hypocrite
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