Ryan fills in, George Brauchler and Sheriff Steve Reams on Mike Johnston's 'Tiananmen Square moment'
November 22, 2024 • 35 mins
Two days after Denver mayor Mike Johnston compares his city's stand against ICE to Chinese students in Tiananmen Square, news breaks of a Venezuelan illegal alien raping the 14-year-old daughter of his employer in the family's basement.
George Brauchler, newly-elected to the newly-formed 23rd judicial district as District Attorney, joins Ryan to give his prosecution perspective on President-elect Donald Trump's mass deportation plan, and Denver mayor Mike Johnston promising a 'Tiananmen Square moment' in using Denver Police to resist such federal efforts.
Sheriff Steve Reams of Weld County joins Dan to provide his law enforcement perspective on the matter as well.
How Denver’s mayor is responding to Trump’s threats to defund sanctuary cities
George Brauchler, newly-elected to the newly-formed 23rd judicial district as District Attorney, joins Ryan to give his prosecution perspective on President-elect Donald Trump's mass deportation plan, and Denver mayor Mike Johnston promising a 'Tiananmen Square moment' in using Denver Police to resist such federal efforts.
Sheriff Steve Reams of Weld County joins Dan to provide his law enforcement perspective on the matter as well.
How Denver’s mayor is responding to Trump’s threats to defund sanctuary cities
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
And illegal immigrant from Venezuela now under arrest in Colorado
after allegedly committing a brutal crime. He is accused of
sexually assaulting a fourteen year old girl. Jeff Paul has
got the details Force from Los Angeles Jeff John.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Investigators say this suspect was staying in the basement of
his employer's Jefferson County home when the incident took place.
Is a one night in late August, the twenty year
old Venezuelan migrant forced himself on his employer's fourteen year
old daughter, sexually assaulting her. Jesus Castillo was eventually arrested
by the Sheriff's office after being on the run.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
For nearly three months.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
A Sores telles Fox News he's currently being held on
a charge of sex assault on a child now. According
to The New York Post, Castillo arrived from Venezuela last year,
crossing the border in the Passo area. He reported he
was released because of overcrowding. The near Post, also reporting
the suspect had previously been arrested in May accused of
possessing tools for forgery or counterfeiting, and.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
theF also in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
The mayor of Denver seemingly dodging questions from reporters for
comments he made over President elex proposed deportation operation involving
federal agents. He told Denver Right on Wednesday, quote, more
than us having DPD stationed at the county line to
keep them out, he would have fifty thousand Denver rights there.
It's like the Tenemn Square moment with the rose in
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the gun.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Right, You'd have every one of those.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Highland moms who came out from migrants, and you do
not want to mess with them.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yesterday, this is what happened when a local reporter tried
following up with the mayor regarding those comments. You can
see the mayor getting into an suv. He closes the
door and then they drive away. The mayor also telling
Denver Wright his city will maintain its sanctuary city status.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Now the order of operations there Ryan Schuling filling in
for Dan Kaplis, this is going to be a blended
version of like a best of We're gonna have a
lot of conversations, including those with you join us by
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This one really got my dander up this morning as
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I was watching Fox News and this story had become national,
and I don't know that Mike Johnston anticipated that this
would blow up outside of his little bubble in Denver
where he was preaching to the choir and all these
people that want to keep the illegals here and keep
them protected and it doesn't matter what the consequences are.
And then we hear about this story in Jeffco, not
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that far away from Denver, a fourteen year old girl,
the daughter of this employer of this Venezuelan migrant. I
use that term loosely raped by this Venezuelan migrant being
processed now in the legal system.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
But what happens from here?
Speaker 6 (02:54):
John Fabricatory knows and he had a conversation with Dan
Caplis yesterday about it.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Share Steve Reems knows in Weld.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
County how he would handle it, and it's much different,
I will say in Weld County, unfortunately than appears it
will be in Denver County. George Brockler is a prosecutor,
and he was recently elected to be district attorney in
the twenty third judicial district newly drawn in Castle Rock
and Douglas County to the south and west of Denver.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Proper.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
But this is a problem and a crisis that spills
over beyond Denver city limits. We've seen it in Aurora
with the Trendy Aragua Gang, and I've had many conversations
with both Cindy and ed Ra Merrill. Their video now
being submitted as evidence in that investigation, and it's been
highlighted on Doctor Phil nationally on Fox News repeatedly, and
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their experience finally believed because a reporter here at Fox
thirty one in Denver, Vigente Arenas he deserves credit and
he deserves to be mentioned by name, insisted on telling
Cindy's story because there are too many elected officials, all
of themocrats, one of them not Mike Kaufman, mayor of Aurora,
who want to downplay this for some reason. It is happening.
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It is real, it is terrible, it is bad. For Colorado.
It is bad for each and every one of you
listening right now, from the Wyoming border down to the
New Mexico border in all points in between, because this
will have a creep effect. This will crawl from Denver
to Aurora, to Lakewood, to Lyttleton to Castle Rock, because
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there is a general tolerance for this type of behavior
of illegals crossing our border and setting up shop in
a sanctuary city that is Denver and a sanctuary state
that is Colorado. Jared Polus talks out of both sides
of his mouth as usual, but on this issue in particular,
saying that he will obstruct President elect Trump's efforts to
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send in Ice and federal agents to apprehend, process, and
deport those who are here illegally, starting with those who
have committed crimes. This jackwagon who raped a fourteen year old,
what do you do with him? Do you deport him
and then risk him coming back into the country. Do
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you prosecute him here? And then what good will that do?
If it's a Blue county Jeffco prosecutor wants to go
easy on this person. Keep in mind the prosecutor against
Jose Abara, who murdered Lake and Riley by bashing in
her skull with a rock after seventeen to eighteen minutes
of pure torture.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
That prosecutor.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
She wanted to avoid the death penalty because of the
ramifications it might have for other illegals in this country.
Are you kidding me with that crap? This is a
losing issue for Democrats nationwide. They just lost all seven
swing states because of it. Now, you might survive in
deep blue Colorado for a time for a while, but
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as Dan Bongino says it, at some point it gets
bad enough and the tide will turn. The Democrats cannot
live on this policy forever. But I want to know
where the elected officials who hold the most power in
this state are in commenting on this case that has
become a national story. In Jeffco, a fourteen year old
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girl was raped. That didn't have to be because this
Venezuelan came into this country, did not respect our laws
and therefore will not adhere to our laws, doesn't care
about our laws or culture or way of life.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
And this is not an isolated incident.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Where are Governor Jared Polis, Attorney General Phil Wiser, Denver
Mayor Mike Johnston my own congressional representative, Jason Crow, who
has made every excuse as to why this is overblown
and dramatized, and John Fabricatory is fabricating the evidence, and
it's a feature of Danielle Jorinsky's imagination. On the Aurora
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City Council, Cindy and Ed Romero must be crazy as well.
That's the only pushback they've had on this is that
other people are exaggerating what's happening here, when in fact
the opposite is the case. And in order for this
to continue as a policy, to maintain this fool's errand
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of Colorado as a sanctuary state and Denver as a
sanctuary city, well, one of the acceptable side effects of that,
consequences of that are these types of rapists and murderers
and terrorists as in Trende Aragua in Aurora. We just
got to take that as part of life here in Colorado.
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Is that good enough for you, because it sure as
hell isn't good enough for me. And it's about time
that not just those of us on the right start
talking about it, because we can only do so much.
We don't hold the gears of power in Colorado. At
some point, it's got to be bad enough for the
Democrats to get off their asses and do something about it.
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And Mayor Mike Johnston making the bold comparison to Tienneman's
Square that fifty thousand moms from Highland's Ranch are going
to come up and the citizens of Denver and the
police force are all going to stand up at the
Denver County border against Ice officials and agents coming in
to rightfully target criminal, illegal aliens and remove them from
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this country. And Mike Johnston thinks it's a winning stance
to protect those types of people like Trenda, a rogue
like this jackass. Go ahead and try it. We'll see
where it goes. We'll take this time out, we'll come back.
George Brockler joins me next on the Dan Camplas Show
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and now back to the Dan Tamplas Show podcast first roll.
Speaker 7 (08:55):
They want to help us get the hell out of
the way.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
If we're going to do it, if.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
I got to send twice amount of resources that city,
what we're going to do. If they ever give us
access to the jail, that would mean less agents to
the community. For then pushing back and not let us
in the jail, it just mean more agents are going
to be in the community, so they're hurting themselves. Finally,
I'll say this, they need to educate themselves. They didn't
review this titally the United States Cold thirteen twenty four
Triple I read about that, and don't cross that line
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because it is a felony to harbor and conceal and
illego anily from Ice read the statute, don't cross that line.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Don't cross that line, the admonishment, the warning from Tom Holman,
who has now been appointed as Donald Trump's borders are
and he's done a good job of this in the past.
And the sheriff is back in town. However, some interesting
developments over these last twenty four hours right here locally,
as it pertains to Denver and Mayor Mike Johnston in
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an interview given to Denveright and I spoke with the
author of this at least by email, Kyle Harris. So
we do not have the audio as of yet because
it has not been published through their partner, Colorado Public
Radio yet. I want to get down to the meat
and potatoes of this before we introduce our first guest,
who has definitely an insider view of any of this
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that will be going on under his jurisdiction as the
new district attorney in the newly formed twenty third Judicial
District in Colorado.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
George Brockler will be our guest. But the question is this.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
What if Trump asks Denver police to participate in immigration enforcement,
to which Johnson replies, absolutely not, we won't do it,
so completely ignoring any kind of warning given by Tom
Holman on behalf of the federal government. As the Trump administration,
as they were elected to do, is going to go
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and deport illegal alien criminals from America's cities. But there
is resistance from Mike Johnston, Mayor of Denver. There is
resistance from Governor Jared Polis of Colorado, from JB. Pritzker,
Governor of Illinois, from Mara Heay, Massachusetts governor, and others
that are in very blue areas, very blue cities in
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very blue states. He continues Mayor Mike Johnston with as follows,
again as reported by Denveright quote, I do not believe
that our governor is going to let them use our
Colorado National Guard at the state level, unless they were
planning on bringing National Guards mobilized from Texas or Alabama
to come invade Colorado. I don't know where they would
find the forces to begin to do that. Now, just
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a brief aside. Remember we had this conversation with John Fabricatory,
former ICE field director himself, and that's not how this works.
I don't think Mayor Mike Johnston has a working understanding
of what this process entails. But he continues quote, and
that seems to me like a very very bad idea
from start to finish, that no reasonable American would support.
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There were about seventy six million Americans who just found
it reasonable to support Donald Trump for president, in large
part because of his border policies. It was, if not
the number one issue, number two. So Mike Johnston over
two right there. And this is the quote that just
really set Twitter ablaze, x ablaze and sent Mike Johnston.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Running for the hills.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
And I mean that literally a Denver seven reporters saying
that Mike Johnston fled the reporter's word, fled from reporters
when they were trying to ask him questions about his
comments in this article.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
And this was the money quote.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Quote more than us having Denver police stationed at the
county line to keep them out, meaning ICE federal agents
continuing quote, you would have fifty thousand Denver ightes there.
It's like the Tieneman Square moment with the Rose and
the gun right, you'd have every one of those Highland
moms who came out for the migrants and you.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Do not want to mess with them. Oh okay.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
I don't know what Mike Johnston suggesting here, but it
sounds like a very potentially island conflict that would arise
with the ICE and the federal agents coming in to
try to investigate whether it's Denver or Aurora, the Trende,
Rodwood Gangs, etc. And whether there's local cooperation or not.
Mike Johnston is defiant. We bring in George Brockler now
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for his take here. George, first of all, congratulations on
your election win. Not sure if I was able to
do that on Eric.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Thank you man. It's a bit a monkey if I'm back,
a lot of pressure off, a.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Lot of pressure off.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
But I mean this is going to have a little
bit close to home for you in Douglas County and
Castle Rock, et cetera. George, because it's one of those
if you look at like a map with a target
and there's a bullseye and that's Denver. There are residuals
we've already seen it ripple effects that go to Aurora,
to Lakewood, to Highland's Ranch, to Lyttleton, all of these
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surrounding communities, and eventually you get south of the tollway
there and there you are in Douglas County and Castle Rock.
What was your reaction to Mayor Mike Johnston his comments here?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
You know, well, I was surprised at how aggressive and
over the top they were. And I say that as
a guy who knows Mayor Johnson. I've known him before
he was mayor. I've worked with him on some legislation
when he was a state senator and I was DA
and I like him, and I think he's a good guy.
You know, his wife's a prosecutor. He knows how this
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thing is supposed to work. In fact, I just saw
him the other day at the Denver Public Safety luncheon
and he's just a good dude. But on this issue,
he's just flat wrong. And you know, the thing I
think that got your attention, Ryan was when he puts
out his statement about using local law enforcement to line
up and you know, create this border resist you know,
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the federal immigration officials. I'm like, that's not what they
signed up for. Here's proof on page fourteen of the
Department of Public Safety for Denver for their Operations manual
that every has to take and that oath is unequivocal,
and you might have a language in front of your line,
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but it says, I do Solomon swear to the ever
loving God that I will support the Constitution and the
laws of the United States. And then there's a bunch
of other stuff. Well, I feel like game set match
support can't be poor, so.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Let me try to work through how this would play out. Then, George,
if Mayor Johnston sticks to his guns and issues this
edict for Denver PD to wall up on the border
of the county and prevent ICE agents from entering in
based on the oath you just cited with the Denver
Police Department, those in charge, the rank and file boots
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on the ground officers themselves be within their rights to
defy such an order from Mayor Johnston, follow the Constitution
and allow the ICE agents in.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
First, I don't think he's going to do that. I
think this was a lot of hyperbole and really big talk,
because if he were to do this, you know, how
we've talked before about hey, this is a constitutional crisis,
and I'll this isn't a constitutional crisis, but it's in
the zip code because you've now taken police officers who,
by statute and ordinance, have taken an oath to do
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certain things, and then they're going to be ordered by
the people that outrank them, that purportedly have the ability
to discipline them. You must do the opposite of what
you took an oath to do. And so the problem
is there's going to be guys in gals who say
I'm not doing this, and then the question is will
they be fired? And what are the ramificas. I mean,
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this is a thing that will live on in courts
for years afterwards. I just don't think he would do that.
I think it would be a huge mistake, and I
don't think he has the authority to compel these guys
and gals to do it.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
George Brockler, our guest.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
He is the district attorney in the newly formed twenty
third Judicial District just to the south and west of Denver. George,
as you look at this from your role and your
experience as a prosecutor and having to cooperate, whether it
was with federal authorities on some cases or with the
police departments and the sheriffs themselves. Let's say this comes
to Douglas County, that there is an incident or that
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the federal government ICE agents they say, we need to
come into Castle Rock and here's what we need to do.
Can you play that out for us in the chain
of command and the order of operations as it would
pertain to you, your office, and the sheriff's department there
in Douglas County.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Yeah, that's a really good question, because the long and
the short of this is local government does not exist
to do the building of federal government. We can't be
co opted by the Feds, we can't be deputized into ICE,
we can't compell to do things in the pursuit of
their mission. And I would resist that, And that's what
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any conservative should want to. You want to have that
kind of built in stratification between levels of government, and
you want the government that is most powerful possible to
be as close to you as possible. So I would
resist that. However, that is not to say I would
sit on my hands, do nothing, or even do what's
being suggested in Denver and try to court the federal officials.
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They play a valuable role and if the enforcement of
their laws can make us safer down here, and there
is some sharing of resources that would help us accomplish
mutual objectives. Yeah, you're going to get a willing hear
here for me. And my guess is you're going to
get a willing hear from the rest of law enforcement
down here.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Or George Brockler. After this you're listening to the Dan
Kaplis Show podcast, George. This kind of brings up a question.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
It might be a constitutional one when it comes to
federalism or the power of a local government to protect
their own individual constituents and citizens, whether they be legal
status or not. And this kind of gets into the
sanctuary city sanctuary state discussion and how that balances against
a federal government exercise its duly noted power to enforce
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immigration policy, to enforce border policy. And if there are
illegals in the United States, where does the federal power end,
where does the municipal and state level power begin? And
how are those reconciled. Are we heading for reckoning here?
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Maybe, but I don't think so. And here's why even
your great Republican sheriffs like Darren Weekly out there recognize
that their authority to take action flows from state law
and the state constitution, not as much the federal And
what I mean by that is Darren can't go out,
Sheriff Weekly can't go out and arrest someone for probable
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cause to believe they violated a federal law. Only that's
just not how it's going to work. We're not going
to run those people to our courts. It's the violation
of state and local laws that we have jurisdiction over. Now,
there's overlap, there can be overlap on there, but I
don't see that that kind of a crisis. I see
a crisis if local governments begin to take up arms
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against the federal government for the enforcement of a law
they have every right to enforce. You're not going to
get that down here in Douglas County. We may not
allow our resources to be co opted by the FED,
but that doesn't mean we're going to stand in the way,
and hell, it doesn't even mean we're not going to
try to assist where it makes sense. And where it
makes sense is that description that Mayor Johnson did. All
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those people lined up there like this, you know vision
he has of the Tianeman Square thing, well, that poses
a real public safety hazard. And what Denver police would
likely do is to respond by trying to provide some
safety and security for those people not support the federal government,
but to give them the opportunity to protest and you know,
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in protection of their First Amendment rights that kind of thing,
and to make sure that they remain safe.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
But I just.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Don't You're not going to see sheriffs and ice officials
arm in arm going into doors and doing I don't
see it that way.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
George Brockler would know.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
He is the twenty third Judicial District District Attorney elect. George,
when are you sworn in? When do you take office?
Or have you done that already?
Speaker 8 (21:11):
No?
Speaker 5 (21:11):
No? No, So I wish man, I wish January fourteenth, Okay,
but you know we have this long delay between election
and getting sworn in, and I'm not if you're Trump too,
you got to be like, what's the hold up? Like
I imagine these dates were picked way back when people
are like, well I need to load up to Comstoga
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and head out to the capitol. You know what I mean.
We don't do that anymore. No, you know, it's just
we could start the next day if need be, but
over two months later. It's just it's painful, but it
gives us time to try to set up transitions.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
So I'm asking for your opinion here, George, just as
where this is going, and it's from your perspective, and
it's from where you are rooted in law enforcement and
your service to this country as well, and we thank
you for that. The status of sanctuary cities and sanctuary states,
we've heard more than just us from President elect Trump.
And again he was elected, in my view, with a
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mandate and in particular on this issue, to root it out,
to close the border, to deport illegal aliens. Sixty three
percent of Americans according to a CBS News poll, supported
mass deportations. And it seems like the only arrow he
has in his quiver is to defund sanctuary cities and
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sanctuary states with federal dollars. Would he have the unilateral
authority as president to do that via executive order? And
if not, are these sanctuary cities and states merely going
to stand their ground and arient a stalemate.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I think the sanctuary city status is more symbolic than anything.
The substant of pieces are where Denver steps in and
says we're going to discipline anybody who cooperates in the
sharing of any information between let's say the Denver City
Attorney's office and immigration officials. And that's something that they
could put in place. But this idea of being a
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sanctuary city, I don't think a president could step in
and simply announce some massive change to that that's going
to take the voters. But I also think that you
know what we ought to be looking for are the
local law enforcement officials to signal to the elected officials
who want this to be this Tianeman Square like thing,
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like you got it wrong. That's not what we're here for.
We don't do that.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Phil Wiser, Attorney general for the state, has for four
years sued the be Jesus out of the Trump administration,
claiming and I think it was actually the middle of
his term, so the last two years of Trump terms
suing the Bejesus out of him, claiming rule of law,
rule of law, rule of law. Biden comes into office,
I don't think they filed another lawsuit against the federal government.
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And now he promises more of them under the rule
of law. Well, guess what, Phil, Federal immigration law is
the rule of law, and it trumps all the other
local stuff you got going on. So I'm anxious to
see what Attorney General Phil Wiser says about this. The
problem is you and I know the answer already. Wouldn't
even criticize password Jenna.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
It wouldn't even do that, right, Password Jenna Ye.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
George Brockler joining us, and I want to get your
thoughts on the national scale on attorney general as Matt
Gates has withdrawn his name from consideration for Attorney general.
He was attorney general in the state of Missouri, and
he is absolutely electric and virtually every Senate hearing that
Senator Josh Holly expunged.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
Nothing is done to this guy. He had a criminal
record to start with. He's in the country on the
illegal grounds you have falsely and illegally allowed him in.
He commits to crime against the child. He's not prosecuted
as expunged. In November, get this. In November it Borrow
files an application for employment authorization and unbelievably, on December
the ninth, twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Three, it's approved.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
So this is your policies and action, mister secretary, a
criminal is permitted into this country on grounds flatly not permitted,
flatly contradictory to the statute. He commits a crime against
the child, and then he gets a work permit.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
He gets a work permit.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
You want to know why all of the jobs in
the last two or three years have gone to illegal migrants.
Working people in this country can't get a job, their
unemployment rates high white because of things like this. And
then what he did, well we all know been in February,
he commits the heinous crime against lacoln Riley. Is this
a record that you are proud of?
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Just peppering Alejandro majorcas DHS secretary there regarding Jose Ibarra,
who was not only furloughed into this country via catch
and release, he was then released upon abusing a child,
the charge that should have been pursued in Manhattan was not,
and then a taxpayer funded flight sent him to Georgia
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where he would murder Lakewinriiley. First of all, George, are
you surprised that Gates stepped down? And then secondly, why
are the Democrats and the left so dug in on
protecting the likes of Jose Abara and trendy Aragua in Colorado.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I think the Gates won first. I guess I'm not
that surprised. I would have been surprised if the Trump
administration had pushed forward with a confirmation hearing, and I
think they had tried to rattle the saber a little
bit to the senators and say this ought to be
a recess appointment. But I don't think the Senate under
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John Thune's going to do that. So I think they thought,
you know what, this is going to be ugly, and
this will define the first weeks or months of our administration.
Why do we do that? Now, keep in mind, don't
feel bad for Gates. He got what he wanted. He
bailed on Congress soon enough that that report that was
going to come out that was probably going to be
pretty unflattering. Whether it was fair or not, I don't know,
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but that's never going to see the light of day, probably,
And so he leaves. And now my guess is he
still thinks, how can I run for governor when DeSantis
is done two years? So I guess I'm not surprised
at the outcome, maybe the timing a little bit. I
still can't believe that that was the pick, but it's
not that he couldn't do a good jeb just the
baggage was just tremendous. I think that it is kind
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of like a see no evil, hear no evil, Speak
no evil moment, and that is, if they acknowledge that
these horrible things are the product of a failed immigration
policy from their president. I think it's something that's very
hard to deal with, both internally for them and publicly.
So I think it's easier to try to suggest that, hey,
this was just some sort of an anomaly and evil's
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going to happen, and this had nothing to do with
our permissive border policy. I think that's what it is,
and they want to downplay it. And the problem is
somebody's going to be wrong. Either it's overplayed and it's
going to be proven not to be merely as bad
as you think it is, or it's going to be
underplayed and it's going to be worse. And that's second one.
That latter one's the risky one, and that's what we're
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starting to see.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
He'll be sworn in mid January, not a moment too soon,
in the twenty third Judicial District as their first district Attorney.
George Brockler joining us with his well informed perspective on
all of this. George, thank you so much for your time.
Congratulations again on the win. Can't wait for you to
be sworn in man.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Thanks for having me on, and I love listening to
the show. Keep doing great stuff.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Really appreciate that and looking forward to Dan's conversation with
Sheriff Steve Reams Weld County. If you missed it yesterday,
we'll get to it in our next segment. Because of
this text saying ask for calls from policemen see if
they would stand behind Johnston's orders. Now, I want to
put that phone number out eight five five four zero
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five eight two five five. If you do have an
opinion about that part of it, and especially if you
have served as a police officer, either in Denver or
around Denver, what is your reaction to that? If Mayor
Mike Johnston calls upon you to guard the border of
Denver County against Ice.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Agents, what are you going to do?
Speaker 6 (28:49):
Are you going to defy that order and risk some
kind of retribution and punishment, or you're going to stand
up for the constitution, the oath that you swore to
uphold and protect, to protect and serve, That's what Steve
Raems talks about. Dan caplis next, you're listening to the
Dan Kaplas Show. Ryan Shuling filling in and now back
to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Say you want a rebel, we are Wana James Will have.
Speaker 10 (29:21):
Never seen anything like this, a Democrat mayor of Denver
promising to use Denver police to physically stop federal agents
from carrying out deportations in Colorado. I mean, that's not
my area of law. I do catastrophic injury work. But
I got to tell you it sure looks like insurrection
to me. And it gets worse from there. So we'll
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get back to that. Wanted to get the reaction of
great lawman in Colorado. He served for so many years,
so well in beautiful Weld County, Colorado. Sheriff Steve Raims, Sheriff,
Welcome back to the Dankplas Show.
Speaker 8 (29:55):
Hey Dan, thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 10 (29:57):
Well, anxious to get your take on this. I've never
heard of anything like this.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
Well, it's lunacy in my mind. You know, there's a
reason I don't go to Denver and I don't live
in Denver. I love the Free County of wild but
apparently if you live in Denver, part of the process
is that you've got to be willing to serve on
the mayor's army against the federal government. I guess I've
never heard of anything this ridiculous, and I hope it's
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show voting and grandstanding, but the message that they're sending
is it's wholly dangerous in my mind. And to talk
about how you can wield the power of the Denver
Police Department to your own bidding, I mean, that's that's
such an abuse of power. I just can't believe you
put it out there. It's it's insanity.
Speaker 10 (30:40):
Well, and Sheriff, I've never served, you have, my dad did,
And to me, it seems such an insult to the
men and women who have served and put their lives
on the line, because to suggest that they could be
used as these little, mindless pawns to go out and
fight their federal law enforcement brothers and sisters, well, not
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even trying to argue justin he's even trying to argue
that federal law doesn't preempt here that the law enforcement
officers would be acting improperly and carrying out the deportations.
He just says, we're going to use force to stop it.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Well, I think he's got a huge problem in his
get up because I know a bunch of Denver PD
officers and the fine men and women. They believe in
the oath that they serve, and I think if given
an order such as that, he'd have a hard time
getting them to actually obey. There might be a few
that would go along, but I think for the most part,
the men and women of Denver, of the Denver Police
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Department know what they're there to do, and it's not
to quote unquote protect the legal immigrants from federal ice officers.
That is nowhere in their oaths that they when they're
sworn into their positions, and I think most officers take
that oath very serious. I mean, they protect and serve
their community, and that is not a way to protect
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and serve your community, especially when you're talking about, you know,
putting people who aren't supposed to be there in front
of your in front of your regular citizens. It's just
it's it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, And obviously Trump said it.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
You know, we're starting with criminal illegals, and so Johnston
would send out Denver law enforcement to fight fellow law
enforcement to protect criminal illegals.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
It's it just seems like madness.
Speaker 10 (32:21):
And then as Sheriff Fraeme's our guests obviously, in addition
to the fact that, yeah, these men and women, because
it's the right thing to do, would not follow that
illegal order, the other piece of it is what law
enforcement officer is going to want to subject themselves to
these federal charges because wouldn't you just expect the Trump
DOJ to immediately charge insurrection.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
Well, I'm certain that there are some penalties not only
federally but also statewide for interfering with governmental operations. I mean,
I think there's some applicable statutes that all those those
guys gals would have to take into consideration. But I
think what Mayor Johnson doesn't realize too is ICE can
easily file warrants for all of these legal immigrants, and
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a warrant forces an officer. The warrant will say you
shall arrest on contact. So Ice could actually flip the
script file federal warrants on all these people and everybody
that Denver Pete came into contact with and learned that
they had a warrant, they would be obligated not only
to arrest them, but to take them to jail until
that warrant could be dealt with in the judicial system.
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So Mayor Johnson doesn't have the authority that he thinks
he has, and I think those officers would still do
their job. Yeah. I think they agree with most of
America and they want to deal with the legal criminal
aliens are continuing to commit crime in their community. I mean,
they're dealing with them every day. That's probably a large
part of their calls for service. There's no way they
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want to stand in and protect these folks. I certainly wouldn't.
I can't imagine that in an area where the problem
is much worse because they've invited it and now you
want to turn around and defend it folks that you
and that you brought in. No way, no.
Speaker 10 (34:02):
Way, great point, sheriff, and hey, appreciate your time today.
How can people follow you? Are you on social media?
Speaker 8 (34:10):
I am, I've got I'm on Facebook and a little
bit of X. That place is just where people go
to be real mean at each other, so typically on
Facebook and it's just well kind of Sheriff Steve dreams.
Speaker 10 (34:21):
Well, sure, do you appreciate it and all the great
work you've done. Thank you, Sheriff.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
Thanks Dan, thanks for having me take.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Care of that is the Sheriff Steve Riams.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
And so now you've heard the perspective of a prosecutor
elected as District Attorney for Douglas County and the twenty
third district newly.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Drawn, George Brockler.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
My conversation with him and Dan's with Sheriff Steve reams
Weld County very different landscape than in Denver County or
even the surrounding counties around Denver, with the exception of Weld,
and how you respond to react to this will get
to your text to start our number two as well
as your phone calls eight five to five four zero
five eight two five five that's the number five seven
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seventy three nine via text. A lot of suggestions here
about reaching out to the police officers themselves, and we
would love to do that, and I would love to
hear from any one of you and advice here to
talk to the head of the Colorado Policeman's Union, that
is an important cog in this wheel, and whether or
not the Denver police are going to be subject to
the whims of a Madman in Mike Johnston, who's comparing
(35:23):
all of this to TAMN Square much more. Still, ahead
Friday edition of The Dan Caplis Show continues, Ryan Shuling
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
And illegal immigrant from Venezuela now under arrest in Colorado
after allegedly committing a brutal crime. He is accused of
sexually assaulting a fourteen year old girl. Jeff Paul has
got the details Force from Los Angeles Jeff John.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Investigators say this suspect was staying in the basement of
his employer's Jefferson County home when the incident took place.
Is a one night in late August, the twenty year
old Venezuelan migrant forced himself on his employer's fourteen year
old daughter, sexually assaulting her. Jesus Castillo was eventually arrested
by the Sheriff's office after being on the run.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
For nearly three months.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
A Sores telles Fox News he's currently being held on
a charge of sex assault on a child now. According
to The New York Post, Castillo arrived from Venezuela last year,
crossing the border in the Passo area. He reported he
was released because of overcrowding. The near Post, also reporting
the suspect had previously been arrested in May accused of
possessing tools for forgery or counterfeiting, and.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
theF also in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
The mayor of Denver seemingly dodging questions from reporters for
comments he made over President elex proposed deportation operation involving
federal agents. He told Denver Right on Wednesday, quote, more
than us having DPD stationed at the county line to
keep them out, he would have fifty thousand Denver rights there.
It's like the Tenemn Square moment with the rose in
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the gun.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Right, You'd have every one of those.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Highland moms who came out from migrants, and you do
not want to mess with them.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yesterday, this is what happened when a local reporter tried
following up with the mayor regarding those comments. You can
see the mayor getting into an suv. He closes the
door and then they drive away. The mayor also telling
Denver Wright his city will maintain its sanctuary city status.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Now the order of operations there Ryan Schuling filling in
for Dan Kaplis, this is going to be a blended
version of like a best of We're gonna have a
lot of conversations, including those with you join us by
text at five seven seven three nine or by phone
eight five five four zero five eight two five five.
This one really got my dander up this morning as
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I was watching Fox News and this story had become national,
and I don't know that Mike Johnston anticipated that this
would blow up outside of his little bubble in Denver
where he was preaching to the choir and all these
people that want to keep the illegals here and keep
them protected and it doesn't matter what the consequences are.
And then we hear about this story in Jeffco, not
(02:36):
that far away from Denver, a fourteen year old girl,
the daughter of this employer of this Venezuelan migrant. I
use that term loosely raped by this Venezuelan migrant being
processed now in the legal system.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
But what happens from here?
Speaker 6 (02:54):
John Fabricatory knows and he had a conversation with Dan
Caplis yesterday about it.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Share Steve Reems knows in Weld.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
County how he would handle it, and it's much different,
I will say in Weld County, unfortunately than appears it
will be in Denver County. George Brockler is a prosecutor,
and he was recently elected to be district attorney in
the twenty third judicial district newly drawn in Castle Rock
and Douglas County to the south and west of Denver.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Proper.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
But this is a problem and a crisis that spills
over beyond Denver city limits. We've seen it in Aurora
with the Trendy Aragua Gang, and I've had many conversations
with both Cindy and ed Ra Merrill. Their video now
being submitted as evidence in that investigation, and it's been
highlighted on Doctor Phil nationally on Fox News repeatedly, and
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their experience finally believed because a reporter here at Fox
thirty one in Denver, Vigente Arenas he deserves credit and
he deserves to be mentioned by name, insisted on telling
Cindy's story because there are too many elected officials, all
of themocrats, one of them not Mike Kaufman, mayor of Aurora,
who want to downplay this for some reason. It is happening.
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It is real, it is terrible, it is bad. For Colorado.
It is bad for each and every one of you
listening right now, from the Wyoming border down to the
New Mexico border in all points in between, because this
will have a creep effect. This will crawl from Denver
to Aurora, to Lakewood, to Lyttleton to Castle Rock, because
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there is a general tolerance for this type of behavior
of illegals crossing our border and setting up shop in
a sanctuary city that is Denver and a sanctuary state
that is Colorado. Jared Polus talks out of both sides
of his mouth as usual, but on this issue in particular,
saying that he will obstruct President elect Trump's efforts to
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send in Ice and federal agents to apprehend, process, and
deport those who are here illegally, starting with those who
have committed crimes. This jackwagon who raped a fourteen year old,
what do you do with him? Do you deport him
and then risk him coming back into the country. Do
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you prosecute him here? And then what good will that do?
If it's a Blue county Jeffco prosecutor wants to go
easy on this person. Keep in mind the prosecutor against
Jose Abara, who murdered Lake and Riley by bashing in
her skull with a rock after seventeen to eighteen minutes
of pure torture.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
That prosecutor.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
She wanted to avoid the death penalty because of the
ramifications it might have for other illegals in this country.
Are you kidding me with that crap? This is a
losing issue for Democrats nationwide. They just lost all seven
swing states because of it. Now, you might survive in
deep blue Colorado for a time for a while, but
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as Dan Bongino says it, at some point it gets
bad enough and the tide will turn. The Democrats cannot
live on this policy forever. But I want to know
where the elected officials who hold the most power in
this state are in commenting on this case that has
become a national story. In Jeffco, a fourteen year old
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girl was raped. That didn't have to be because this
Venezuelan came into this country, did not respect our laws
and therefore will not adhere to our laws, doesn't care
about our laws or culture or way of life.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
And this is not an isolated incident.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Where are Governor Jared Polis, Attorney General Phil Wiser, Denver
Mayor Mike Johnston my own congressional representative, Jason Crow, who
has made every excuse as to why this is overblown
and dramatized, and John Fabricatory is fabricating the evidence, and
it's a feature of Danielle Jorinsky's imagination. On the Aurora
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City Council, Cindy and Ed Romero must be crazy as well.
That's the only pushback they've had on this is that
other people are exaggerating what's happening here, when in fact
the opposite is the case. And in order for this
to continue as a policy, to maintain this fool's errand
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of Colorado as a sanctuary state and Denver as a
sanctuary city, well, one of the acceptable side effects of that,
consequences of that are these types of rapists and murderers
and terrorists as in Trende Aragua in Aurora. We just
got to take that as part of life here in Colorado.
(07:45):
Is that good enough for you, because it sure as
hell isn't good enough for me. And it's about time
that not just those of us on the right start
talking about it, because we can only do so much.
We don't hold the gears of power in Colorado. At
some point, it's got to be bad enough for the
Democrats to get off their asses and do something about it.
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And Mayor Mike Johnston making the bold comparison to Tienneman's
Square that fifty thousand moms from Highland's Ranch are going
to come up and the citizens of Denver and the
police force are all going to stand up at the
Denver County border against Ice officials and agents coming in
to rightfully target criminal, illegal aliens and remove them from
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this country. And Mike Johnston thinks it's a winning stance
to protect those types of people like Trenda, a rogue
like this jackass. Go ahead and try it. We'll see
where it goes. We'll take this time out, we'll come back.
George Brockler joins me next on the Dan Camplas Show
(08:51):
and now back to the Dan Tamplas Show podcast first roll.
Speaker 7 (08:55):
They want to help us get the hell out of
the way.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
If we're going to do it, if.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
I got to send twice amount of resources that city,
what we're going to do. If they ever give us
access to the jail, that would mean less agents to
the community. For then pushing back and not let us
in the jail, it just mean more agents are going
to be in the community, so they're hurting themselves. Finally,
I'll say this, they need to educate themselves. They didn't
review this titally the United States Cold thirteen twenty four
Triple I read about that, and don't cross that line
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because it is a felony to harbor and conceal and
illego anily from Ice read the statute, don't cross that line.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Don't cross that line, the admonishment, the warning from Tom Holman,
who has now been appointed as Donald Trump's borders are
and he's done a good job of this in the past.
And the sheriff is back in town. However, some interesting
developments over these last twenty four hours right here locally,
as it pertains to Denver and Mayor Mike Johnston in
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an interview given to Denveright and I spoke with the
author of this at least by email, Kyle Harris. So
we do not have the audio as of yet because
it has not been published through their partner, Colorado Public
Radio yet. I want to get down to the meat
and potatoes of this before we introduce our first guest,
who has definitely an insider view of any of this
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that will be going on under his jurisdiction as the
new district attorney in the newly formed twenty third Judicial
District in Colorado.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
George Brockler will be our guest. But the question is this.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
What if Trump asks Denver police to participate in immigration enforcement,
to which Johnson replies, absolutely not, we won't do it,
so completely ignoring any kind of warning given by Tom
Holman on behalf of the federal government. As the Trump administration,
as they were elected to do, is going to go
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and deport illegal alien criminals from America's cities. But there
is resistance from Mike Johnston, Mayor of Denver. There is
resistance from Governor Jared Polis of Colorado, from JB. Pritzker,
Governor of Illinois, from Mara Heay, Massachusetts governor, and others
that are in very blue areas, very blue cities in
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very blue states. He continues Mayor Mike Johnston with as follows,
again as reported by Denveright quote, I do not believe
that our governor is going to let them use our
Colorado National Guard at the state level, unless they were
planning on bringing National Guards mobilized from Texas or Alabama
to come invade Colorado. I don't know where they would
find the forces to begin to do that. Now, just
(11:23):
a brief aside. Remember we had this conversation with John Fabricatory,
former ICE field director himself, and that's not how this works.
I don't think Mayor Mike Johnston has a working understanding
of what this process entails. But he continues quote, and
that seems to me like a very very bad idea
from start to finish, that no reasonable American would support.
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There were about seventy six million Americans who just found
it reasonable to support Donald Trump for president, in large
part because of his border policies. It was, if not
the number one issue, number two. So Mike Johnston over
two right there. And this is the quote that just
really set Twitter ablaze, x ablaze and sent Mike Johnston.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Running for the hills.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
And I mean that literally a Denver seven reporters saying
that Mike Johnston fled the reporter's word, fled from reporters
when they were trying to ask him questions about his
comments in this article.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
And this was the money quote.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Quote more than us having Denver police stationed at the
county line to keep them out, meaning ICE federal agents
continuing quote, you would have fifty thousand Denver ightes there.
It's like the Tieneman Square moment with the Rose and
the gun right, you'd have every one of those Highland
moms who came out for the migrants and you.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Do not want to mess with them. Oh okay.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
I don't know what Mike Johnston suggesting here, but it
sounds like a very potentially island conflict that would arise
with the ICE and the federal agents coming in to
try to investigate whether it's Denver or Aurora, the Trende,
Rodwood Gangs, etc. And whether there's local cooperation or not.
Mike Johnston is defiant. We bring in George Brockler now
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for his take here. George, first of all, congratulations on
your election win. Not sure if I was able to
do that on Eric.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Thank you man. It's a bit a monkey if I'm back,
a lot of pressure off, a.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Lot of pressure off.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
But I mean this is going to have a little
bit close to home for you in Douglas County and
Castle Rock, et cetera. George, because it's one of those
if you look at like a map with a target
and there's a bullseye and that's Denver. There are residuals
we've already seen it ripple effects that go to Aurora,
to Lakewood, to Highland's Ranch, to Lyttleton, all of these
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surrounding communities, and eventually you get south of the tollway
there and there you are in Douglas County and Castle Rock.
What was your reaction to Mayor Mike Johnston his comments here?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
You know, well, I was surprised at how aggressive and
over the top they were. And I say that as
a guy who knows Mayor Johnson. I've known him before
he was mayor. I've worked with him on some legislation
when he was a state senator and I was DA
and I like him, and I think he's a good guy.
You know, his wife's a prosecutor. He knows how this
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thing is supposed to work. In fact, I just saw
him the other day at the Denver Public Safety luncheon
and he's just a good dude. But on this issue,
he's just flat wrong. And you know, the thing I
think that got your attention, Ryan was when he puts
out his statement about using local law enforcement to line
up and you know, create this border resist you know,
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the federal immigration officials. I'm like, that's not what they
signed up for. Here's proof on page fourteen of the
Department of Public Safety for Denver for their Operations manual
that every has to take and that oath is unequivocal,
and you might have a language in front of your line,
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but it says, I do Solomon swear to the ever
loving God that I will support the Constitution and the
laws of the United States. And then there's a bunch
of other stuff. Well, I feel like game set match
support can't be poor, so.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Let me try to work through how this would play out. Then, George,
if Mayor Johnston sticks to his guns and issues this
edict for Denver PD to wall up on the border
of the county and prevent ICE agents from entering in
based on the oath you just cited with the Denver
Police Department, those in charge, the rank and file boots
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on the ground officers themselves be within their rights to
defy such an order from Mayor Johnston, follow the Constitution
and allow the ICE agents in.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
First, I don't think he's going to do that. I
think this was a lot of hyperbole and really big talk,
because if he were to do this, you know, how
we've talked before about hey, this is a constitutional crisis,
and I'll this isn't a constitutional crisis, but it's in
the zip code because you've now taken police officers who,
by statute and ordinance, have taken an oath to do
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certain things, and then they're going to be ordered by
the people that outrank them, that purportedly have the ability
to discipline them. You must do the opposite of what
you took an oath to do. And so the problem
is there's going to be guys in gals who say
I'm not doing this, and then the question is will
they be fired? And what are the ramificas. I mean,
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this is a thing that will live on in courts
for years afterwards. I just don't think he would do that.
I think it would be a huge mistake, and I
don't think he has the authority to compel these guys
and gals to do it.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
George Brockler, our guest.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
He is the district attorney in the newly formed twenty
third Judicial District just to the south and west of Denver. George,
as you look at this from your role and your
experience as a prosecutor and having to cooperate, whether it
was with federal authorities on some cases or with the
police departments and the sheriffs themselves. Let's say this comes
to Douglas County, that there is an incident or that
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the federal government ICE agents they say, we need to
come into Castle Rock and here's what we need to do.
Can you play that out for us in the chain
of command and the order of operations as it would
pertain to you, your office, and the sheriff's department there
in Douglas County.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Yeah, that's a really good question, because the long and
the short of this is local government does not exist
to do the building of federal government. We can't be
co opted by the Feds, we can't be deputized into ICE,
we can't compell to do things in the pursuit of
their mission. And I would resist that, And that's what
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any conservative should want to. You want to have that
kind of built in stratification between levels of government, and
you want the government that is most powerful possible to
be as close to you as possible. So I would
resist that. However, that is not to say I would
sit on my hands, do nothing, or even do what's
being suggested in Denver and try to court the federal officials.
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They play a valuable role and if the enforcement of
their laws can make us safer down here, and there
is some sharing of resources that would help us accomplish
mutual objectives. Yeah, you're going to get a willing hear
here for me. And my guess is you're going to
get a willing hear from the rest of law enforcement
down here.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Or George Brockler. After this you're listening to the Dan
Kaplis Show podcast, George. This kind of brings up a question.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
It might be a constitutional one when it comes to
federalism or the power of a local government to protect
their own individual constituents and citizens, whether they be legal
status or not. And this kind of gets into the
sanctuary city sanctuary state discussion and how that balances against
a federal government exercise its duly noted power to enforce
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immigration policy, to enforce border policy. And if there are
illegals in the United States, where does the federal power end,
where does the municipal and state level power begin? And
how are those reconciled. Are we heading for reckoning here?
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Maybe, but I don't think so. And here's why even
your great Republican sheriffs like Darren Weekly out there recognize
that their authority to take action flows from state law
and the state constitution, not as much the federal And
what I mean by that is Darren can't go out,
Sheriff Weekly can't go out and arrest someone for probable
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cause to believe they violated a federal law. Only that's
just not how it's going to work. We're not going
to run those people to our courts. It's the violation
of state and local laws that we have jurisdiction over. Now,
there's overlap, there can be overlap on there, but I
don't see that that kind of a crisis. I see
a crisis if local governments begin to take up arms
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against the federal government for the enforcement of a law
they have every right to enforce. You're not going to
get that down here in Douglas County. We may not
allow our resources to be co opted by the FED,
but that doesn't mean we're going to stand in the way,
and hell, it doesn't even mean we're not going to
try to assist where it makes sense. And where it
makes sense is that description that Mayor Johnson did. All
(20:26):
those people lined up there like this, you know vision
he has of the Tianeman Square thing, well, that poses
a real public safety hazard. And what Denver police would
likely do is to respond by trying to provide some
safety and security for those people not support the federal government,
but to give them the opportunity to protest and you know,
(20:48):
in protection of their First Amendment rights that kind of thing,
and to make sure that they remain safe.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
But I just.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Don't You're not going to see sheriffs and ice officials
arm in arm going into doors and doing I don't
see it that way.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
George Brockler would know.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
He is the twenty third Judicial District District Attorney elect. George,
when are you sworn in? When do you take office?
Or have you done that already?
Speaker 8 (21:11):
No?
Speaker 5 (21:11):
No? No, So I wish man, I wish January fourteenth, Okay,
but you know we have this long delay between election
and getting sworn in, and I'm not if you're Trump too,
you got to be like, what's the hold up? Like
I imagine these dates were picked way back when people
are like, well I need to load up to Comstoga
(21:31):
and head out to the capitol. You know what I mean.
We don't do that anymore. No, you know, it's just
we could start the next day if need be, but
over two months later. It's just it's painful, but it
gives us time to try to set up transitions.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
So I'm asking for your opinion here, George, just as
where this is going, and it's from your perspective, and
it's from where you are rooted in law enforcement and
your service to this country as well, and we thank
you for that. The status of sanctuary cities and sanctuary states,
we've heard more than just us from President elect Trump.
And again he was elected, in my view, with a
(22:04):
mandate and in particular on this issue, to root it out,
to close the border, to deport illegal aliens. Sixty three
percent of Americans according to a CBS News poll, supported
mass deportations. And it seems like the only arrow he
has in his quiver is to defund sanctuary cities and
(22:24):
sanctuary states with federal dollars. Would he have the unilateral
authority as president to do that via executive order? And
if not, are these sanctuary cities and states merely going
to stand their ground and arient a stalemate.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I think the sanctuary city status is more symbolic than anything.
The substant of pieces are where Denver steps in and
says we're going to discipline anybody who cooperates in the
sharing of any information between let's say the Denver City
Attorney's office and immigration officials. And that's something that they
could put in place. But this idea of being a
(23:01):
sanctuary city, I don't think a president could step in
and simply announce some massive change to that that's going
to take the voters. But I also think that you
know what we ought to be looking for are the
local law enforcement officials to signal to the elected officials
who want this to be this Tianeman Square like thing,
(23:21):
like you got it wrong. That's not what we're here for.
We don't do that.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Phil Wiser, Attorney general for the state, has for four
years sued the be Jesus out of the Trump administration,
claiming and I think it was actually the middle of
his term, so the last two years of Trump terms
suing the Bejesus out of him, claiming rule of law,
rule of law, rule of law. Biden comes into office,
I don't think they filed another lawsuit against the federal government.
(23:48):
And now he promises more of them under the rule
of law. Well, guess what, Phil, Federal immigration law is
the rule of law, and it trumps all the other
local stuff you got going on. So I'm anxious to
see what Attorney General Phil Wiser says about this. The
problem is you and I know the answer already. Wouldn't
even criticize password Jenna.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
It wouldn't even do that, right, Password Jenna Ye.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
George Brockler joining us, and I want to get your
thoughts on the national scale on attorney general as Matt
Gates has withdrawn his name from consideration for Attorney general.
He was attorney general in the state of Missouri, and
he is absolutely electric and virtually every Senate hearing that
Senator Josh Holly expunged.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
Nothing is done to this guy. He had a criminal
record to start with. He's in the country on the
illegal grounds you have falsely and illegally allowed him in.
He commits to crime against the child. He's not prosecuted
as expunged. In November, get this. In November it Borrow
files an application for employment authorization and unbelievably, on December
the ninth, twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Three, it's approved.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
So this is your policies and action, mister secretary, a
criminal is permitted into this country on grounds flatly not permitted,
flatly contradictory to the statute. He commits a crime against
the child, and then he gets a work permit.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
He gets a work permit.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
You want to know why all of the jobs in
the last two or three years have gone to illegal migrants.
Working people in this country can't get a job, their
unemployment rates high white because of things like this. And
then what he did, well we all know been in February,
he commits the heinous crime against lacoln Riley. Is this
a record that you are proud of?
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Just peppering Alejandro majorcas DHS secretary there regarding Jose Ibarra,
who was not only furloughed into this country via catch
and release, he was then released upon abusing a child,
the charge that should have been pursued in Manhattan was not,
and then a taxpayer funded flight sent him to Georgia
(25:45):
where he would murder Lakewinriiley. First of all, George, are
you surprised that Gates stepped down? And then secondly, why
are the Democrats and the left so dug in on
protecting the likes of Jose Abara and trendy Aragua in Colorado.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I think the Gates won first. I guess I'm not
that surprised. I would have been surprised if the Trump
administration had pushed forward with a confirmation hearing, and I
think they had tried to rattle the saber a little
bit to the senators and say this ought to be
a recess appointment. But I don't think the Senate under
(26:22):
John Thune's going to do that. So I think they thought,
you know what, this is going to be ugly, and
this will define the first weeks or months of our administration.
Why do we do that? Now, keep in mind, don't
feel bad for Gates. He got what he wanted. He
bailed on Congress soon enough that that report that was
going to come out that was probably going to be
pretty unflattering. Whether it was fair or not, I don't know,
(26:43):
but that's never going to see the light of day, probably,
And so he leaves. And now my guess is he
still thinks, how can I run for governor when DeSantis
is done two years? So I guess I'm not surprised
at the outcome, maybe the timing a little bit. I
still can't believe that that was the pick, but it's
not that he couldn't do a good jeb just the
baggage was just tremendous. I think that it is kind
(27:05):
of like a see no evil, hear no evil, Speak
no evil moment, and that is, if they acknowledge that
these horrible things are the product of a failed immigration
policy from their president. I think it's something that's very
hard to deal with, both internally for them and publicly.
So I think it's easier to try to suggest that, hey,
this was just some sort of an anomaly and evil's
(27:28):
going to happen, and this had nothing to do with
our permissive border policy. I think that's what it is,
and they want to downplay it. And the problem is
somebody's going to be wrong. Either it's overplayed and it's
going to be proven not to be merely as bad
as you think it is, or it's going to be
underplayed and it's going to be worse. And that's second one.
That latter one's the risky one, and that's what we're
(27:48):
starting to see.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
He'll be sworn in mid January, not a moment too soon,
in the twenty third Judicial District as their first district Attorney.
George Brockler joining us with his well informed perspective on
all of this. George, thank you so much for your time.
Congratulations again on the win. Can't wait for you to
be sworn in man.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Thanks for having me on, and I love listening to
the show. Keep doing great stuff.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Really appreciate that and looking forward to Dan's conversation with
Sheriff Steve Reams Weld County. If you missed it yesterday,
we'll get to it in our next segment. Because of
this text saying ask for calls from policemen see if
they would stand behind Johnston's orders. Now, I want to
put that phone number out eight five five four zero
(28:31):
five eight two five five. If you do have an
opinion about that part of it, and especially if you
have served as a police officer, either in Denver or
around Denver, what is your reaction to that? If Mayor
Mike Johnston calls upon you to guard the border of
Denver County against Ice.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Agents, what are you going to do?
Speaker 6 (28:49):
Are you going to defy that order and risk some
kind of retribution and punishment, or you're going to stand
up for the constitution, the oath that you swore to
uphold and protect, to protect and serve, That's what Steve
Raems talks about. Dan caplis next, you're listening to the
Dan Kaplas Show. Ryan Shuling filling in and now back
to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Say you want a rebel, we are Wana James Will have.
Speaker 10 (29:21):
Never seen anything like this, a Democrat mayor of Denver
promising to use Denver police to physically stop federal agents
from carrying out deportations in Colorado. I mean, that's not
my area of law. I do catastrophic injury work. But
I got to tell you it sure looks like insurrection
to me. And it gets worse from there. So we'll
(29:42):
get back to that. Wanted to get the reaction of
great lawman in Colorado. He served for so many years,
so well in beautiful Weld County, Colorado. Sheriff Steve Raims, Sheriff,
Welcome back to the Dankplas Show.
Speaker 8 (29:55):
Hey Dan, thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 10 (29:57):
Well, anxious to get your take on this. I've never
heard of anything like this.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
Well, it's lunacy in my mind. You know, there's a
reason I don't go to Denver and I don't live
in Denver. I love the Free County of wild but
apparently if you live in Denver, part of the process
is that you've got to be willing to serve on
the mayor's army against the federal government. I guess I've
never heard of anything this ridiculous, and I hope it's
(30:23):
show voting and grandstanding, but the message that they're sending
is it's wholly dangerous in my mind. And to talk
about how you can wield the power of the Denver
Police Department to your own bidding, I mean, that's that's
such an abuse of power. I just can't believe you
put it out there. It's it's insanity.
Speaker 10 (30:40):
Well, and Sheriff, I've never served, you have, my dad did,
And to me, it seems such an insult to the
men and women who have served and put their lives
on the line, because to suggest that they could be
used as these little, mindless pawns to go out and
fight their federal law enforcement brothers and sisters, well, not
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even trying to argue justin he's even trying to argue
that federal law doesn't preempt here that the law enforcement
officers would be acting improperly and carrying out the deportations.
He just says, we're going to use force to stop it.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Well, I think he's got a huge problem in his
get up because I know a bunch of Denver PD
officers and the fine men and women. They believe in
the oath that they serve, and I think if given
an order such as that, he'd have a hard time
getting them to actually obey. There might be a few
that would go along, but I think for the most part,
the men and women of Denver, of the Denver Police
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Department know what they're there to do, and it's not
to quote unquote protect the legal immigrants from federal ice officers.
That is nowhere in their oaths that they when they're
sworn into their positions, and I think most officers take
that oath very serious. I mean, they protect and serve
their community, and that is not a way to protect
(31:57):
and serve your community, especially when you're talking about, you know,
putting people who aren't supposed to be there in front
of your in front of your regular citizens. It's just
it's it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, And obviously Trump said it.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
You know, we're starting with criminal illegals, and so Johnston
would send out Denver law enforcement to fight fellow law
enforcement to protect criminal illegals.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
It's it just seems like madness.
Speaker 10 (32:21):
And then as Sheriff Fraeme's our guests obviously, in addition
to the fact that, yeah, these men and women, because
it's the right thing to do, would not follow that
illegal order, the other piece of it is what law
enforcement officer is going to want to subject themselves to
these federal charges because wouldn't you just expect the Trump
DOJ to immediately charge insurrection.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
Well, I'm certain that there are some penalties not only
federally but also statewide for interfering with governmental operations. I mean,
I think there's some applicable statutes that all those those
guys gals would have to take into consideration. But I
think what Mayor Johnson doesn't realize too is ICE can
easily file warrants for all of these legal immigrants, and
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a warrant forces an officer. The warrant will say you
shall arrest on contact. So Ice could actually flip the
script file federal warrants on all these people and everybody
that Denver Pete came into contact with and learned that
they had a warrant, they would be obligated not only
to arrest them, but to take them to jail until
that warrant could be dealt with in the judicial system.
(33:28):
So Mayor Johnson doesn't have the authority that he thinks
he has, and I think those officers would still do
their job. Yeah. I think they agree with most of
America and they want to deal with the legal criminal
aliens are continuing to commit crime in their community. I mean,
they're dealing with them every day. That's probably a large
part of their calls for service. There's no way they
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want to stand in and protect these folks. I certainly wouldn't.
I can't imagine that in an area where the problem
is much worse because they've invited it and now you
want to turn around and defend it folks that you
and that you brought in. No way, no.
Speaker 10 (34:02):
Way, great point, sheriff, and hey, appreciate your time today.
How can people follow you? Are you on social media?
Speaker 8 (34:10):
I am, I've got I'm on Facebook and a little
bit of X. That place is just where people go
to be real mean at each other, so typically on
Facebook and it's just well kind of Sheriff Steve dreams.
Speaker 10 (34:21):
Well, sure, do you appreciate it and all the great
work you've done. Thank you, Sheriff.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
Thanks Dan, thanks for having me take.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Care of that is the Sheriff Steve Riams.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
And so now you've heard the perspective of a prosecutor
elected as District Attorney for Douglas County and the twenty
third district newly.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Drawn, George Brockler.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
My conversation with him and Dan's with Sheriff Steve reams
Weld County very different landscape than in Denver County or
even the surrounding counties around Denver, with the exception of Weld,
and how you respond to react to this will get
to your text to start our number two as well
as your phone calls eight five to five four zero
five eight two five five that's the number five seven
(35:00):
seventy three nine via text. A lot of suggestions here
about reaching out to the police officers themselves, and we
would love to do that, and I would love to
hear from any one of you and advice here to
talk to the head of the Colorado Policeman's Union, that
is an important cog in this wheel, and whether or
not the Denver police are going to be subject to
the whims of a Madman in Mike Johnston, who's comparing
(35:23):
all of this to TAMN Square much more. Still, ahead
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