November 21, 2025 • 35 mins
Sheriff Jason Mikesell of Teller County joins Dan live in-studio for two segments to discuss his campaign for Colorado governor in the 2026 race.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Glad you are here. Obviously, the American way under direct
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attack by Benedict Crowe and his Democrat cohorts trying to
sew a disruption and disobedience within the military. We'll have
the latest on that. Is America ready for a woman president?
The easiest question posed in modern times? Michelle Obama says no,
But I want to dig deeper into that conversation, and
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this tape from her is truly remarkable. Is Colorado ready
for a woman governor or senator? Amazing? Right? In a
state controlled by Democrats almost always, and the Democrats are
so enlightened and so superior to us, they haven't had
a woman governor or a woman senator. Wow, I wonder
why not? Holy cow? Oh, that's because they have just
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that they're so inspiring an inspired old white man and
John Hick and Leburn Michael Bennett and Jared Polus. Yeah. Right,
so we'll talk about that a bit. Three h three
someone three eight two five five the number text d
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fun sound we have ever played on this show. We
play the representatives Jazzmine Crockett, sound of her accusing all
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these different Republicans of taking money from Jeffrey Epstein. And yeah,
but it was a doctor Jeffrey Epstein, a different guy
and you already know that. But hearing her refuse to
apologize for it worth the price of admission, hopefully worth
more than the price of admission, since the price of
admission monetarily is zero. But when you stop and think
about it, and I'm sure you have, the price of
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admission to this show is extremely high because it's your time,
and the most valuable thing you have is your time.
So I'm going to add value to your life. Some
of the best sound from President Trump, which is saying
a lot since he's the funniest president in American history.
Here he is today with Mom Donnie, you know, the
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communist mayor of New York, and they're meeting in the
White House at Mom Donnie's request. And picture Trump behind
the desk. I think he's using resolute right desk in
the Oval office, and there's Mum Donnie standing next to him.
And then you hear Mom Donnie ask this question about, hey,
do you still think Trump is a fascist? And listen
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carefully for Trump's response, instant classic stuff. Are you for
me that you think Trump's a fascist?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I've spoken about Okay, it's easier than explaining.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
About him, isn't that great? And then you got a
picture Trump. He's sitting at the desk and you know,
he just gets his smile on his face and he
just I think he patted Mom Donnie and just say
it's okay, you can just say yes, you know, it's quicker.
He's got such a good sense a humor.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
And this goes to the Bill Maher encounter too, where
he said all those nasty things about Bill Maher. Bill
Maher had his staff printed all out and.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
He signs it.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
They think Bill Martin has that frame.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, yeah, he is. And it's so nice when you
have that, I'm sure in your life too, when you
have people who are secure, they're just secure people and
and Trump is that. And I know it's a little
hard to hear, but don't want to play it again
because it's so good. Are you that you think trumps
I've spoken about Okay, Okay, it's easier than explain. I see.
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That's great. And then i'd love your take on why
do you think the president took the meeting with mom donnie?
I think he was wise to, particularly the way he
approached it. I'm glad that he did. Why do you
think he did? Three? Or three seven one three A
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Speaker 3 (03:55):
What Trump realizes and what we've always known about him,
he's a pragmant. So he could sit there crying over
spilled milk that he doesn't like Mum donnie or mcdonnie's
a communist, he doesn't want to work with him, but
he might see a way forward Dan art of the
deal type stuff where he goes, this is the guy
I got, so I got to try to make the
mess of it. I'll give it a chance, I'll give
it a shot. He brings him in, they get off.
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It seems to be on the right footing here, and
that can only be a good thing.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Well, yes, I would suggest another layer to this, which
is he's employing the ABE strategy very effectively. And I'm
sure you're familiar with that, you've been a student of
presidential history. That's a misleading hint. The ABE strategy is
anything but Epstein, right, So Epstein is this very unfair
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shot at the president. And so right now it's better
for the news cycle to be about anything but Epstein.
So you have a meeting with Mom Donnie. You're going
to benefit if you're Trump in several different ways. It's
not Epstein. And also Trump, ironically here is able to
latch onto Mom Donnie's brand, which is affordability. So Trump
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is able to show and today talk about concern about affordability,
which Trump has always been focused on, but lately the
polls show an awful lot of voters don't think that. Now,
we all know the poles are dishonestly slanted against Trump,
but there's some kernel of truth in the fact that
you know, voters are going to blame the person in
high office, and there are an awful lot of voters
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feeling financial stress now, so wise for Trump to have
Mom Donnie there and talk about how concerned Trump is
about affordability as well. The other thing you do, and
Trump is the alpha dog, right And so you've got
Mom Donnie standing there while Trump's sitting at the resolute desk.
There's no question about who's in charge. But Mom Donnie
has traveled to DC. He's spent the knee, you know,
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to visit with Trump and try to get federal money.
So there's upside to Trump in that as well. So
I think a very wise movement. As part. The other
thing is listening this know you know better than I do.
This nation at some point needs to start coming together.
And this extreme hyper polarization that the left thrives on,
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it fuels it wants because it wants this country fractured.
It wants to separate this country from its traditions and
its history and its culture and its values. And part
of doing that is this hyper polarization. The country needs
to start coming together, and anything that Trump can do
to help with that is great. Now, Listen, Trump is
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always going to be strong, and it's part of the
reason he succeeded. So there's always going to be some
polarization surrounding that, but that is most often, not always,
most often going to be positive, healthy polarization because the
reality is there is right and wrong, and the far
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left it controls Colorado in this country right now is
wrong on virtually everything and dangerously wrong. And if somebody's
going to stand up to that wrong, there's going to
be polarization because the group that's wrong is not just
going to roll over, and they're going to do crazy
things like we saw this week where they tried to
get the military to rebel against Trump. But yeah, anything
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we can do to try to bring the country back together.
It's never going to be in puppies and rainbows and unicorns,
but bring it back together in a healthy way, meaning
that we address the underlying issues. We don't give up
our principles, we don't give up our values, we don't
stop fighting, but we agree on what we can agree on.
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Three at three seven to one, three eight, two five
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Just to lighten it up for a bit, let's get
some representative Yasmine Crockett.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
You talk about Republicans taking money from a Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Here's what you.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Said, who also took money from somebody named Jeffrey Epps
As I had my team digg in very quickly. What
Mitt Romney the NRCC, Lee Zelden, George bush Win, Ray McCain,
Palin Rick Laziok.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
You mentioned to Lezelden there he's now a cabinet secretary.
He responded and said it was actually doctor Jeffrey Epstein,
who's a doctor that doesn't have any relation to the
convicted sex trucker. Unfortunate for that doctor, but that is
who do it into a prior campaign of his. Do
you want to correct the record on the people?
Speaker 5 (08:31):
And I never said that it was that Jeffrey Epstein,
just so that people understand when you make a donation,
your picture is not.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Oh my goodness, does she have any idea how she
looks saying that she thinks we're dumb, well, and that
that CNN anchors dumb and it's like the greatest Saturday
Night Live skit ever. So I'm on the floor of
the Congress and I'm accusing these people have taking money
from Jeffrey Epstein. But I never said it was that
Jeffrey Epstein. What should be even worse, right, tried trying
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to can convinced people that, oh, yeah, they took money
from Jeffrey Epstein when she knows it's not that Jeffrey Epstein.
But clearly in this case, she knew it might not be,
but it just wasn't worth checking there.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
And because they decided to spring this on us in
real time, I wanted the Republicans to think about what
could potentially happen because I knew that they didn't even
try to go through the FEC. So my team what
they did is they googled. And that is specifically why
I said a Jeffrey Epstein. Unlike Republicans, I at least
don't go out and just tell lies.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Please just have her on twenty four to seven. I
don't go out and tell lies. But I've just falsely
accused all these people of taking money from a child rapist. Beautiful,
And that is the modern Democratic Party. I don't care
if you're talking about her or Michael Bennett or John
Hickenlooper or any of them. The modern Democratic Party lies
all the time. The sector left that controls a Democratic Party. Now,
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if you're a Democrat and you tell the truth, they
view that as a sign of war weakness. They lie
all the time because the truth kills them. So you
think that's going to hurt her Within the big money
powers of the Democratic Party. No, that is what they want.
They want liars. They want people who can go on
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National TV or go on to Colorado Radio show or
whatever and lie through their teeth because the truth wins
and the truth kills them. You're on the Dankaplas.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Show and now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast
for this video.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Just yet, but your reaction to this in the angle, Laura,
I thought it.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Was extremely foolish and cowardly at the same time. Well,
glad to hear your representative Eli Crane say that a
Navy seal talking about how cowardly Jason Crow and the
others were asking members of the military to undermine the
chain of command. Hey, really cool guy in studio with us.
Sheriff Jason Mike Sel is with us from Teller County,
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And if you're not familiar with Teler, it's a phenomenally
diverse type of county in terms of their enterprise, in
terms of their population, etc. So a unique set of
challenges for a sheriff. Now, the reason sheriff's with us
today is he is running for governor of the great
State of Colorado. Sheriff, Welcome to the Dan Caplis Show.
Thank you, Dan I'm happy to be here well, and
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so much to talk about. I've known about you for
years because I've read about your efforts to run the
cartels out of Teyler County, which I think have succeeded. Right, Yes, yeah,
very much. So how'd you get them out?
Speaker 7 (11:31):
Well, I will tell you one of the biggest things
was training deputies to deal with just crime, removing politics
from the agency and just let them go.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Do their job.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
I would hope that Colorado would let us do here
in this state, but also joining with ICE and dealing
with illegal cartel operations that are from other countries.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
And how are you able to do that? In any
sane world, you'd be working arm in arm with Ice.
But when you got people like Polis and the Colorado
Democrats criminalizing working with ice, do you manage that? That's tough? Dan.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
You know I've spent the last seven years fighting the ACLU,
which the state uses as an arm to go after
local law enforcement, and fortunately for me, I have beaten
the ACLU multiple times, which allowed me to sign a
two eighty seven g agreement which allowed me to use
my deputies when somebody came into the jail from another
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country and they've committed crimes.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
In the state of Colorado. I was able to turn
the more to ICE.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
But further than that, it's it's understanding we have to
work with our federal partners, but knowing that we're dealing
with criminal illegal aliens, not other types of folks that
are here to try to work and do things, but
trying to separate those identities.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, and let me zero in on this for a second,
because I know you're here because you're running for governor,
and I have to think that one thing that will
appeal to a lot of voters across party lines is
anybody who's been successful in getting rid of criminal illegals.
And so you mentioned and forget my ignorance at two
eighty seven g agreement or something like that. Can you
elaborate on that a little bit. What kind of agreement
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now lets you just turn these criminals over to ICE?
Speaker 7 (13:08):
Well, so what it does is it it's an agreement
I I signed with ICE that allows my deputies to
go through training as a federal agent and then those
federal agents when we do have somebody comes to our
jail that has committed a crime. These are sex assaults,
these are homicide suspects. These are people that are here
doing really bad crime. Yeah, those deputies are now become
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federal agents. Wow, and they go back and forth with
federalgram They don't even work for me at that point.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, So they have those authorities in place. Now.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
The State of Colorado has last year put forth a
law that basically they can't work right now. It's inn
a holding pattern until the Department of Justice is able
to figure out how to deal with that. But you know,
I will tell you that that.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Program is very interesting.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
And the funny thing about Democrats sometimes is that is
that they think that we're going after everyone and trying
to explain the fact that we're just we're separating going
after criminals. They're actually going after their own communities, right, right.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And the fact that.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
When we as an umbrella state protect criminals, they go
back into their communities because we're protecting then ICE has
to chase them into their communities and catch them there,
then alert send all kinds of other issues.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Right because when ICE, then they can't just take the
criminal out of your jail, so they go chase them
down and then they find the criminal with a bunch
of other people here illegally not committing other crimes, but
now they've come across other people here illegally, and often
they're going to pick them up. From what I understand, yeah, absolutely,
So if people truly care about people here illegally who
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are not committing other crimes, they would support you working
with ICE to get rid of the criminal illegals.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
Well, I think that's the misunderstanding what leaders should truly
be doing. Right, if we had a strong governor in
the state, that governor would have reached out to the president,
sat down with him and said, listen, I'm going to
give you my criminals from my prisons, which we're paying.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Tax dollars for. Yeah, we're going to rid our.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Streets of crime, but we want to work in an
agreement on how to better adapt the immigration policies so
that good people can work here and that we can
have them pay taxes and do it lawfully. But that
we could do that as a state with them, to
make sure that the right people are here doing the
right things.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
But in my opinion, police would never do that because
the big money people on the left to control the party,
they don't want criminal illegals run out of this country.
They don't want them run out of Teller County and
to me, and I'm no babe in the woods and
I'm the son of a thirty year cup. But I
can't even wrap my mind around why all these Democrat
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powers want to protect criminal illegals. So I understand, at
least my view is that mass illegal immigration they view
as a source of votes for them. But why are
they trying so hard to protect the criminal illegals.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
Well, I think they're trying to gaslight the situation to
make money, right, because they can go out and tell people, well,
we're protecting everyone. You get an attorney general in this state,
he's telling people, what we're going to sue the United States,
we need to protect the state from Trump. But really
what they're doing is they're victimizing those victims even more
in those communities. And last year I met with one
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hundred pastors of Denver near here and I talked to
them about these issues with an interpreter, and we had
a great discussion about you know, they're people that were
in church being victimized by these same people, and that
they didn't want to be used in that ploy for
these issues.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So it's not the population that's dealing with it.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
It's the very few that are turning into a gaslight
moment across the country.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, for their own political advantage. And at bottom line
is you just alluded to a total disregard for the children,
for the women, for all these people here illegally who
are not committing other crimes. They don't care about them
as humans, They don't care about the way they're being
abused on the way up here and everything else. Just
lure them up here so we have more illegal folks
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up here to turn into Democrat voters down the road.
It's it's sick. But hey, Jason, Mike seil with us.
He's the sheriff of Teller County running for governor. What's
that website for the gubernatorial race?
Speaker 7 (17:14):
So you can find me at Mike selfgov the number
four gov at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Okay, Mike silfergov at gmail dot com. Obviously, a really
steep hill to climb in Colorado where Democrats have all
the money and they control everything, et cetera. And then
there's the primary to get through. First.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
What's the path to victory for you? Well, I think
it's through the middle, right. I think it has to
be independent voters coming out really, you're only about nine
hundred and some thousand Republican voters. You're about one point
one million Democrat voters. But in the middle are the
majority of Colorado, right, And I think both sides are
irritated at their own parties per se. And I think
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really they're looking for a strong leader.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
That's been in business.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
And I have a business background. I have multiple businesses.
I and my wife who's she's a female entrepreneur, very
smart lady.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
We have built businesses throughout Colorado.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
And I will tell you I think that understanding of business,
the understanding of law enforcement, how to protect streets, that
really is for men. I can talk to independent voters,
unaffiliate voters from both sides of the aisles. As a sheriff,
I don't just deal with just Republicans or just Democrats.
When I go to a call out a house, it
doesn't matter. We just got done with a food drive.
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And you know the thing about it was because of
the snap benefits going away, because of all the different things.
It hit a lot of elderly populations. And you have
a state of Colorado that didn't take any leadership and
anything to do with helping people.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
And let's pick up on that, Sheriff. We've got a
quick break here. Sheriff Jason Mike soil with us because
I'm sure a lot of people are surprised to your
sheriff talking about a food drive you just finished. So
we'll talk about the scope of your experiences why they
qualifies you for governor here on the Dancapsa show.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
So great one. Yeah, yeah, we need some more, are
you hey? Sheriff Jason Mike so kind enough to be
with us. Fascinating guy, and he said, sheriff of Tyler County.
Very diverse background running for governor of the state of
Colorado will get you the website. We're fortunate to have
one more segment with him today. Sheriff, you had mentioned
we talked a lot of immigration in the first segment.
People can get her off the podcast. You mentioned a
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business background for both you and your wife. Tell us
about that.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Well, I had retired from law enforcement and I had
started my own private security company. That company has done
very well, and just before COVID.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
We had worked across the United States.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
We had offices in different locations and internationally and what
we decided to do once COVID hit and business was
slowing down, was diversifyed back in our own community. So
we have two restaurants, we have some apartment buildings and
some commercial spaces, and you know, it's understanding how communities
work and then how you drive economies and business.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
We had built homes.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
For a while with a partner of mind, so we
had had experience in the building and development stages too,
and that was one of the things we looked at
in Colorado was that you know, I'm watching the Democrats
talk about how they're going to fix the home what
they're calling affordable housing. Well, the problem with the affordable
housing is what they're really talking about is government subsidized housing. Right,
they're saying a thousand units, Well, how many people want
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more government subside housing? What I want is a table
housing across Colorado. And the problem I'm seeing and watching
Bennett and Wise or talk about these things is they're
not getting the key point that I think a business
person would understand, and that is you have to cut
the red tape to be able to produce a table house.
And one of the reasons you do that, and something
we're all dealing with across municipal areas and then state
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governments and county local local areas. Is that the cost
of just having a water treatment facility. Now the State
of Colorado has put so many economic impacts on them
to produce water that's better than when it went into it.
That costs local areas millions of dollars, which drives up
your water tap costs.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
And how much of Colorado's water does Teler County have?
We have a lot?
Speaker 7 (21:11):
Yeah, so Teller County is one of the areas that
actually we house water for Denver, we house water for
Colorado Springs, we house water for Pueblo or the mountains.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
This is where water comes from.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Yeah, so we understand water and water rights and how
that affects ranching and farming and all those economic pieces
and throughout the state of Colorado, and how it drives
protection on fires.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
See, it seems to me you bring a unique set
of experiences to the race and expertise to the race
because I personally believe that there are these these key,
primary and primal issues that unite us if the right
candidate can pull it together. And everybody talks about suburban
housewives deciding key races, close races in Colorado. Will I
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have never met a Democrat, let's say, a Democrat mom
who cared more about the Democratic Party than they did
this afety other family, for example. And so just your
experience when it comes to law and order, it's a
cast to at least get you people's attention right out
of the gate. And then that interesting not just a
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background in business, but just the variety of businesses that
you're involved in and just the different understandings that must
give you. I mean between the restaurant business, which has
its own crazy challenges and then you're talking about you know,
apartment complexes. Yeah, I don't think there'll be another candidate
with that kind of experience.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
Mix well, I don't think so. And I think when
you drive policies or look at policies as a state governor,
you have to know how to mentor through different organizations
and through departments within the government. And I will tell
you one of the hardest things to navigate right now
is just who do I call and how do I
even get a hold of them?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Into state? Right right? You got people working from home,
You got.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
People aren't in the office, They don't understand their own rules,
and regulations, and our legislature changes things on a daily
basis where none of us understand it. So you know
understand how really it's being driven out of Denver through
the legislature down to local communities, through city municipal governments
and or county governments. And really those questions of those
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needs should be driven from local county governments, city municipalities
back up to Denver for policies, not the other way around.
Because what's happening is our building codes are out of control.
You can't build in this state without going through all
of these new electrical codes and all these new things
that really sometimes the rest of Colorado can't get through.
And really, if somebody doesn't have a background or understanding
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of those, they're signing bills without understanding what that does
to contractors and laborers and that guy swinging a hammer,
how's he even going to make a dollar if he can't
get work because we've driven our costs right.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
And I think if a Republican candidate is going to
be able to break through at the end of the day,
I don't think it's going to be because of particular
talking points on policy of this and that. I think
they're going to look at the guy or gal and
they're going to say, hey, that's a really smart, experienced
person who is in touch with and cares about everyday
people in their everyday problems. I think that's going to
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be what it takes to get people interested enough to
even consider the Republican And it seems to me you
bring an awful lot of that to the table. So
say you're in the elevator with somebody and they say
to you, okay, Sheriff. Everybody says law and order. Everybody
says make us safer. How are you going to be
better at making me and my family safer than the
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other candidates?
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Well, I think I have a set of skills that
allow me to do so. And here's why I say that.
One of the things you have to do is you
have to stop going after every law enforcement officer with
every threat about being taken into custody.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
He got a state.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Attorney general that just he's civilly suing a law enforcement
officer for doing his job. So really, you know, the
president's actually using National Guard in certain areas, big cities.
I don't think we need that here. What we really
need is, as a governor that can get with sheriffs
and police departments and police chiefs come together with coalitions
to move forward and within different jurisdictions to help move
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out crime and do those things. We have to comply
with thair a law with a lot of different issues,
especially with immigration, only to identify out the serious criminals
and deal with those issues. Work with our federal partners,
the FBI and all the other organizations. Really to clean
up streets too. You've got to drive an economy because
if you don't have an economy and we're shutting down
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businesses all over the state of Colorado, what how many
thousands of businesses have gone out this year? If you
don't drive that, you need more and more people. You're
going to have to help more and more people with
different means to make it well. In law enforcement, we
know that if those people are happy and they've got
jobs and they're able to get to work, we don't
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have as many crimes. When the economical issues come up
and people can't feed their families, we have more crime.
And so in Colorado there's a little bit of love
for people in understanding how they need to get there
and what we need to do. But law enforcement has
to have I was taken off. They have to be
able to do their jobs and not believe they're going
to face a state of Colorado going after them tomorrow
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for doing their jobs or local jurisdictions.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Like amen to that and grateful for your time today
in our last two minutes. The floors yours say whatever
you want.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Well, I would just tell you this. I think if
people are looking for somebody that can really understand the
issues in Colorado, that's normal and nice, but understands how
we move an economy and how we get energy surplus
back in this state instead of losing it, bring oil
and gas back and really create jobs. I haven't understanding
of how to do that, and I also know how
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to mentor a local government to where you have people
coming up that can actually do the jobs they're supposed
to do and not leave all of Colorado behind where
we're only helping a few here in the states. So
if you want to find out more ABOUMB, you can
Google me, or you can just go to my website.
It's micsoforegov dot com. And I'm more than happy to
talk to you and do whatever I can to show
you which direction I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Go and spell mic so for people please, So it's
m ik E S E L L and it's the
number four gov dot com. I just learned a new
phrase here. It's a really cool phrase. Ryan, you want
to steal this to a texture who says that segment
just made me cautiously giddy. I really hope he can
run a strong campaign and I will definitely contribute. Cautiously giddy.
(27:18):
What a great phrase.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah. Well, I appreciate the time today, Sheriff, Thank you
so much for that. Best of luck to you. I'm
sure we'll talk again, so I hope, so thank you.
Hey y'all when we come back your reaction to our conversation,
but we'll also have the latest on Benedict Crowe and
where things stand now after the President fired back so strong.
Looks like Crowe is backing off some as he should.
(27:40):
Still a very dangerous situation because of his recklessness. You're
on the Dan Caplas Show.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And now back to the Dan Tapless Show podcast that
made you.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Decide now was the right time. That's right.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
To be clear, we are not calling on folks right
now to debate, to disobey any type of unlawful order, there.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Is very real what that's exactly what he said. Yeah,
to be clear, we're not calling on people to disobey
any particular unlawful order. Wow, what's going on here? Legal, Well,
let's have that conversation. I'm going to start this over.
That's hard to even process. So we're talking about Benedict
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Crowe and obviously he and these other Democrats have undermined
national security, imagined the message this sends to our enemies
and there are so many evil enemies of the United
States around the world. When you have these elected officials
calling on the military to disobey the president, and yeah,
they protect themselves legally by saying quote unlawful orders, but
(28:47):
the bottom line is they're calling on the military to
defy orders. What effect do you think that's going to
have on our enemies? And beyond that, think about the
danger it creates for the president and for the members
of the military and for those who might be a gullible,
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some unhinged, etc. They say disobey unlawful orders, but they
don't give you a single example of an unlawful order. So,
now CNN gets a hold of Benedict and what does
he say.
Speaker 9 (29:19):
About what this president has threatened to do over and
over again. There are three more years left to this administration.
If we are not talking about this and having a
conversation about it, and demystifying this conversation, that we are
not fulfilling our duty. We are reminding people that have
taken the oath what that oath requires of them to do.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Oh my goodness, and I had labeled him a coward
immediately upon doing this, but this is even worse. And
for those who say, well, Dan, you didn't serve he
served bravely in armed forces. I'm the first to say
he serve bravely in our armed forces. But somebody can
be very courageous during one phase of their life and
then be very cowardly in a different phase of their life.
(30:00):
This is kind of the ultimate political profile in cowardice.
Let's play that again from the top, keeping in mind
this is on CNN. Now he's being pinned down by CNN.
Speaker 9 (30:12):
So are you saying that.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
There was not necessarily any particular precipitating event. There is
no specific thing out there that made you decide now
was the right time.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
That's right.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
To be clear, we are not calling on folks right
now to debate to disobey any type of unlawful order.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
We are not calling on folks to disobey any type
of unlawful order. What do you think is going on here?
Three all three seven one three eight two five five
text d A N five seven seven three nine will
start out in beautiful Kiowa, Colorado with Mark. You're on
the Dankplas. She'll welcome Mark.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Hey, thank you, Dan, good evening. And here's here's what
I see is he's playing the job of a defensive authority.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Mark. I think we need to have a talk with
your cell carrier. Yeah, we lost Mark, hopefully we'll get
I don't know, you got it dumped. Ok. Too bad.
People would have really enjoyed Ryan's comments that he thought
were off their But anyway, I think what where Mark
was going with this was that, you know, Crow's worried
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legally and and now he's trying to defend himself legally,
et cetera. Well, Mark's back, we're told, so he can
talk for himself. Hey, Mark, so pick it up from.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
Yeah, Okay, he's playing a part of a defense attorney,
just trying to put a little bit of a doubt
Mark of you know, have I followed a illegal order.
You know what have I done? And and you know
how that can just, you know, manisfess itself into all
kinds of other bad ideas. And I think he's I
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think he's put Trump in a really dangerous spot, came
into that. It's just sad. It really is sad a
member of the military like himself would would go to
that kind of level, and it's it's awful.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, agreed, Hey, thank you Mark for that call. Interesting take.
Mark has that that Crow's play is just to create
doubt in the mind of service members and undermine Trump
that way. But what a change, what a change in
position just from yesterday? Why Why would Crow come out
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today and say specifically, we are not asking service members
to disobey any particular unlawful order. So what Crow saying
today is there are unlawful orders that I'm not on
to identify for you, but we are not asking people
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to disobey those unlawful orders. Why would you say that?
Speaker 6 (33:10):
So are you saying that there was not necessarily any
particular precipitating event, There is no specific thing out there
that made you decide now was the right time.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
That's right.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
To be clear, we are not calling on folks right
now to debate to disobey any type of unlawful order.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I think the reason he says that is because he
knows there are no unlawful orders. So he knows that
what he has done may cause somebody to disobey a
lawful order, which will then get them court martialed, will
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then destroy them and their families in lots of different ways.
And Crow doesn't want them coming back to Crow now
and saying, well, you said in your video we have
your back, so pay my legal fees by my family
a house while I'm in jail. He knows that's a
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situation he's put himself in because there aren't any unlawful orders.
Three h three seven one three eight two five five
the number text us at DN five seven seven three nine. Ryan,
what's your take on that? Yeah, it's it's just a stunning,
stunning turnaround. And this from a guy Crow and his
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co conspirators there, And I don't mean that in legally
prosecutable sense. I was a guy who told you right
out of the gate. Wait a second. They have very
diabolically protected themselves legally by sending this implicit message that hey,
you need to be going out there disobeying these orders
while it's an explicit message, while not identifying any particular order.
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And above all, the legal detection claim came from qualifying
it with unlawful orders. That's their legal shield. So from
the beginning, I've made it clear he has not committed
a crime. He cannot be successfully prosecuted. They've been very
careful about that legally. But at the same time, they
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have put the president in grave danger, and you have
to imagine they knew they would be doing that, right,
I mean, is Crow going to come on the show?
Can we ask him that question? I think you have
better fans getting pull us on. Yeah, what a profile
encourage Crow is. But don't you think smart people like
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that had to know they'd be putting the president in
grave danger by doing this. So why is Crow now
backing off and saying no, we're not asking anybody to
disobey any current unlawful orders. What do you think that's
all about? You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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attack by Benedict Crowe and his Democrat cohorts trying to
sew a disruption and disobedience within the military. We'll have
the latest on that. Is America ready for a woman president?
The easiest question posed in modern times? Michelle Obama says no,
But I want to dig deeper into that conversation, and
(00:42):
this tape from her is truly remarkable. Is Colorado ready
for a woman governor or senator? Amazing? Right? In a
state controlled by Democrats almost always, and the Democrats are
so enlightened and so superior to us, they haven't had
a woman governor or a woman senator. Wow, I wonder
why not? Holy cow? Oh, that's because they have just
(01:04):
that they're so inspiring an inspired old white man and
John Hick and Leburn Michael Bennett and Jared Polus. Yeah. Right,
so we'll talk about that a bit. Three h three
someone three eight two five five the number text d
an five seven seven three nine. Some of the most
fun sound we have ever played on this show. We
play the representatives Jazzmine Crockett, sound of her accusing all
(01:28):
these different Republicans of taking money from Jeffrey Epstein. And yeah,
but it was a doctor Jeffrey Epstein, a different guy
and you already know that. But hearing her refuse to
apologize for it worth the price of admission, hopefully worth
more than the price of admission, since the price of
admission monetarily is zero. But when you stop and think
about it, and I'm sure you have, the price of
(01:49):
admission to this show is extremely high because it's your time,
and the most valuable thing you have is your time.
So I'm going to add value to your life. Some
of the best sound from President Trump, which is saying
a lot since he's the funniest president in American history.
Here he is today with Mom Donnie, you know, the
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communist mayor of New York, and they're meeting in the
White House at Mom Donnie's request. And picture Trump behind
the desk. I think he's using resolute right desk in
the Oval office, and there's Mum Donnie standing next to him.
And then you hear Mom Donnie ask this question about, hey,
do you still think Trump is a fascist? And listen
(02:30):
carefully for Trump's response, instant classic stuff. Are you for
me that you think Trump's a fascist?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I've spoken about Okay, it's easier than explaining.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
About him, isn't that great? And then you got a
picture Trump. He's sitting at the desk and you know,
he just gets his smile on his face and he
just I think he patted Mom Donnie and just say
it's okay, you can just say yes, you know, it's quicker.
He's got such a good sense a humor.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
And this goes to the Bill Maher encounter too, where
he said all those nasty things about Bill Maher. Bill
Maher had his staff printed all out and.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
He signs it.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
They think Bill Martin has that frame.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, yeah, he is. And it's so nice when you
have that, I'm sure in your life too, when you
have people who are secure, they're just secure people and
and Trump is that. And I know it's a little
hard to hear, but don't want to play it again
because it's so good. Are you that you think trumps
I've spoken about Okay, Okay, it's easier than explain. I see.
(03:36):
That's great. And then i'd love your take on why
do you think the president took the meeting with mom donnie?
I think he was wise to, particularly the way he
approached it. I'm glad that he did. Why do you
think he did? Three? Or three seven one three A
two five five? The number? May I text ea N
five seven seven three nine. Of course, I think.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
What Trump realizes and what we've always known about him,
he's a pragmant. So he could sit there crying over
spilled milk that he doesn't like Mum donnie or mcdonnie's
a communist, he doesn't want to work with him, but
he might see a way forward Dan art of the
deal type stuff where he goes, this is the guy
I got, so I got to try to make the
mess of it. I'll give it a chance, I'll give
it a shot. He brings him in, they get off.
(04:16):
It seems to be on the right footing here, and
that can only be a good thing.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Well, yes, I would suggest another layer to this, which
is he's employing the ABE strategy very effectively. And I'm
sure you're familiar with that, you've been a student of
presidential history. That's a misleading hint. The ABE strategy is
anything but Epstein, right, So Epstein is this very unfair
(04:41):
shot at the president. And so right now it's better
for the news cycle to be about anything but Epstein.
So you have a meeting with Mom Donnie. You're going
to benefit if you're Trump in several different ways. It's
not Epstein. And also Trump, ironically here is able to
latch onto Mom Donnie's brand, which is affordability. So Trump
(05:04):
is able to show and today talk about concern about affordability,
which Trump has always been focused on, but lately the
polls show an awful lot of voters don't think that. Now,
we all know the poles are dishonestly slanted against Trump,
but there's some kernel of truth in the fact that
you know, voters are going to blame the person in
high office, and there are an awful lot of voters
(05:25):
feeling financial stress now, so wise for Trump to have
Mom Donnie there and talk about how concerned Trump is
about affordability as well. The other thing you do, and
Trump is the alpha dog, right And so you've got
Mom Donnie standing there while Trump's sitting at the resolute desk.
There's no question about who's in charge. But Mom Donnie
has traveled to DC. He's spent the knee, you know,
(05:49):
to visit with Trump and try to get federal money.
So there's upside to Trump in that as well. So
I think a very wise movement. As part. The other
thing is listening this know you know better than I do.
This nation at some point needs to start coming together.
And this extreme hyper polarization that the left thrives on,
(06:11):
it fuels it wants because it wants this country fractured.
It wants to separate this country from its traditions and
its history and its culture and its values. And part
of doing that is this hyper polarization. The country needs
to start coming together, and anything that Trump can do
to help with that is great. Now, Listen, Trump is
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always going to be strong, and it's part of the
reason he succeeded. So there's always going to be some
polarization surrounding that, but that is most often, not always,
most often going to be positive, healthy polarization because the
reality is there is right and wrong, and the far
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left it controls Colorado in this country right now is
wrong on virtually everything and dangerously wrong. And if somebody's
going to stand up to that wrong, there's going to
be polarization because the group that's wrong is not just
going to roll over, and they're going to do crazy
things like we saw this week where they tried to
get the military to rebel against Trump. But yeah, anything
(07:18):
we can do to try to bring the country back together.
It's never going to be in puppies and rainbows and unicorns,
but bring it back together in a healthy way, meaning
that we address the underlying issues. We don't give up
our principles, we don't give up our values, we don't
stop fighting, but we agree on what we can agree on.
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Three at three seven to one, three eight, two five
five the number text d an five seven seven three nine.
Just to lighten it up for a bit, let's get
some representative Yasmine Crockett.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
You talk about Republicans taking money from a Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Here's what you.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Said, who also took money from somebody named Jeffrey Epps
As I had my team digg in very quickly. What
Mitt Romney the NRCC, Lee Zelden, George bush Win, Ray McCain,
Palin Rick Laziok.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
You mentioned to Lezelden there he's now a cabinet secretary.
He responded and said it was actually doctor Jeffrey Epstein,
who's a doctor that doesn't have any relation to the
convicted sex trucker. Unfortunate for that doctor, but that is
who do it into a prior campaign of his. Do
you want to correct the record on the people?
Speaker 5 (08:31):
And I never said that it was that Jeffrey Epstein,
just so that people understand when you make a donation,
your picture is not.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Oh my goodness, does she have any idea how she
looks saying that she thinks we're dumb, well, and that
that CNN anchors dumb and it's like the greatest Saturday
Night Live skit ever. So I'm on the floor of
the Congress and I'm accusing these people have taking money
from Jeffrey Epstein. But I never said it was that
Jeffrey Epstein. What should be even worse, right, tried trying
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to can convinced people that, oh, yeah, they took money
from Jeffrey Epstein when she knows it's not that Jeffrey Epstein.
But clearly in this case, she knew it might not be,
but it just wasn't worth checking there.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
And because they decided to spring this on us in
real time, I wanted the Republicans to think about what
could potentially happen because I knew that they didn't even
try to go through the FEC. So my team what
they did is they googled. And that is specifically why
I said a Jeffrey Epstein. Unlike Republicans, I at least
don't go out and just tell lies.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Please just have her on twenty four to seven. I
don't go out and tell lies. But I've just falsely
accused all these people of taking money from a child rapist. Beautiful,
And that is the modern Democratic Party. I don't care
if you're talking about her or Michael Bennett or John
Hickenlooper or any of them. The modern Democratic Party lies
all the time. The sector left that controls a Democratic Party. Now,
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if you're a Democrat and you tell the truth, they
view that as a sign of war weakness. They lie
all the time because the truth kills them. So you
think that's going to hurt her Within the big money
powers of the Democratic Party. No, that is what they want.
They want liars. They want people who can go on
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National TV or go on to Colorado Radio show or
whatever and lie through their teeth because the truth wins
and the truth kills them. You're on the Dankaplas.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Show and now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast
for this video.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Just yet, but your reaction to this in the angle, Laura,
I thought it.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Was extremely foolish and cowardly at the same time. Well,
glad to hear your representative Eli Crane say that a
Navy seal talking about how cowardly Jason Crow and the
others were asking members of the military to undermine the
chain of command. Hey, really cool guy in studio with us.
Sheriff Jason Mike Sel is with us from Teller County,
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And if you're not familiar with Teler, it's a phenomenally
diverse type of county in terms of their enterprise, in
terms of their population, etc. So a unique set of
challenges for a sheriff. Now, the reason sheriff's with us
today is he is running for governor of the great
State of Colorado. Sheriff, Welcome to the Dan Caplis Show.
Thank you, Dan I'm happy to be here well, and
(11:20):
so much to talk about. I've known about you for
years because I've read about your efforts to run the
cartels out of Teyler County, which I think have succeeded. Right, Yes, yeah,
very much. So how'd you get them out?
Speaker 7 (11:31):
Well, I will tell you one of the biggest things
was training deputies to deal with just crime, removing politics
from the agency and just let them go.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Do their job.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
I would hope that Colorado would let us do here
in this state, but also joining with ICE and dealing
with illegal cartel operations that are from other countries.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
And how are you able to do that? In any
sane world, you'd be working arm in arm with Ice.
But when you got people like Polis and the Colorado
Democrats criminalizing working with ice, do you manage that? That's tough? Dan.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
You know I've spent the last seven years fighting the ACLU,
which the state uses as an arm to go after
local law enforcement, and fortunately for me, I have beaten
the ACLU multiple times, which allowed me to sign a
two eighty seven g agreement which allowed me to use
my deputies when somebody came into the jail from another
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country and they've committed crimes.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
In the state of Colorado. I was able to turn
the more to ICE.
Speaker 7 (12:26):
But further than that, it's it's understanding we have to
work with our federal partners, but knowing that we're dealing
with criminal illegal aliens, not other types of folks that
are here to try to work and do things, but
trying to separate those identities.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, and let me zero in on this for a second,
because I know you're here because you're running for governor,
and I have to think that one thing that will
appeal to a lot of voters across party lines is
anybody who's been successful in getting rid of criminal illegals.
And so you mentioned and forget my ignorance at two
eighty seven g agreement or something like that. Can you
elaborate on that a little bit. What kind of agreement
(13:04):
now lets you just turn these criminals over to ICE?
Speaker 7 (13:08):
Well, so what it does is it it's an agreement
I I signed with ICE that allows my deputies to
go through training as a federal agent and then those
federal agents when we do have somebody comes to our
jail that has committed a crime. These are sex assaults,
these are homicide suspects. These are people that are here
doing really bad crime. Yeah, those deputies are now become
(13:29):
federal agents. Wow, and they go back and forth with
federalgram They don't even work for me at that point.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, So they have those authorities in place. Now.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
The State of Colorado has last year put forth a
law that basically they can't work right now. It's inn
a holding pattern until the Department of Justice is able
to figure out how to deal with that. But you know,
I will tell you that that.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Program is very interesting.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
And the funny thing about Democrats sometimes is that is
that they think that we're going after everyone and trying
to explain the fact that we're just we're separating going
after criminals. They're actually going after their own communities, right, right.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And the fact that.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
When we as an umbrella state protect criminals, they go
back into their communities because we're protecting then ICE has
to chase them into their communities and catch them there,
then alert send all kinds of other issues.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Right because when ICE, then they can't just take the
criminal out of your jail, so they go chase them
down and then they find the criminal with a bunch
of other people here illegally not committing other crimes, but
now they've come across other people here illegally, and often
they're going to pick them up. From what I understand, yeah, absolutely,
So if people truly care about people here illegally who
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are not committing other crimes, they would support you working
with ICE to get rid of the criminal illegals.
Speaker 7 (14:45):
Well, I think that's the misunderstanding what leaders should truly
be doing. Right, if we had a strong governor in
the state, that governor would have reached out to the president,
sat down with him and said, listen, I'm going to
give you my criminals from my prisons, which we're paying.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Tax dollars for. Yeah, we're going to rid our.
Speaker 7 (15:00):
Streets of crime, but we want to work in an
agreement on how to better adapt the immigration policies so
that good people can work here and that we can
have them pay taxes and do it lawfully. But that
we could do that as a state with them, to
make sure that the right people are here doing the
right things.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
But in my opinion, police would never do that because
the big money people on the left to control the party,
they don't want criminal illegals run out of this country.
They don't want them run out of Teller County and
to me, and I'm no babe in the woods and
I'm the son of a thirty year cup. But I
can't even wrap my mind around why all these Democrat
(15:38):
powers want to protect criminal illegals. So I understand, at
least my view is that mass illegal immigration they view
as a source of votes for them. But why are
they trying so hard to protect the criminal illegals.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
Well, I think they're trying to gaslight the situation to
make money, right, because they can go out and tell people, well,
we're protecting everyone. You get an attorney general in this state,
he's telling people, what we're going to sue the United States,
we need to protect the state from Trump. But really
what they're doing is they're victimizing those victims even more
in those communities. And last year I met with one
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hundred pastors of Denver near here and I talked to
them about these issues with an interpreter, and we had
a great discussion about you know, they're people that were
in church being victimized by these same people, and that
they didn't want to be used in that ploy for
these issues.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So it's not the population that's dealing with it.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
It's the very few that are turning into a gaslight
moment across the country.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, for their own political advantage. And at bottom line
is you just alluded to a total disregard for the children,
for the women, for all these people here illegally who
are not committing other crimes. They don't care about them
as humans, They don't care about the way they're being
abused on the way up here and everything else. Just
lure them up here so we have more illegal folks
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up here to turn into Democrat voters down the road.
It's it's sick. But hey, Jason, Mike seil with us.
He's the sheriff of Teller County running for governor. What's
that website for the gubernatorial race?
Speaker 7 (17:14):
So you can find me at Mike selfgov the number
four gov at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Okay, Mike silfergov at gmail dot com. Obviously, a really
steep hill to climb in Colorado where Democrats have all
the money and they control everything, et cetera. And then
there's the primary to get through. First.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
What's the path to victory for you? Well, I think
it's through the middle, right. I think it has to
be independent voters coming out really, you're only about nine
hundred and some thousand Republican voters. You're about one point
one million Democrat voters. But in the middle are the
majority of Colorado, right, And I think both sides are
irritated at their own parties per se. And I think
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really they're looking for a strong leader.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
That's been in business.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
And I have a business background. I have multiple businesses.
I and my wife who's she's a female entrepreneur, very
smart lady.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
We have built businesses throughout Colorado.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
And I will tell you I think that understanding of business,
the understanding of law enforcement, how to protect streets, that
really is for men. I can talk to independent voters,
unaffiliate voters from both sides of the aisles. As a sheriff,
I don't just deal with just Republicans or just Democrats.
When I go to a call out a house, it
doesn't matter. We just got done with a food drive.
(18:32):
And you know the thing about it was because of
the snap benefits going away, because of all the different things.
It hit a lot of elderly populations. And you have
a state of Colorado that didn't take any leadership and
anything to do with helping people.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
And let's pick up on that, Sheriff. We've got a
quick break here. Sheriff Jason Mike soil with us because
I'm sure a lot of people are surprised to your
sheriff talking about a food drive you just finished. So
we'll talk about the scope of your experiences why they
qualifies you for governor here on the Dancapsa show.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
So great one. Yeah, yeah, we need some more, are
you hey? Sheriff Jason Mike so kind enough to be
with us. Fascinating guy, and he said, sheriff of Tyler County.
Very diverse background running for governor of the state of
Colorado will get you the website. We're fortunate to have
one more segment with him today. Sheriff, you had mentioned
we talked a lot of immigration in the first segment.
People can get her off the podcast. You mentioned a
(19:29):
business background for both you and your wife. Tell us
about that.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Well, I had retired from law enforcement and I had
started my own private security company. That company has done
very well, and just before COVID.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
We had worked across the United States.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
We had offices in different locations and internationally and what
we decided to do once COVID hit and business was
slowing down, was diversifyed back in our own community. So
we have two restaurants, we have some apartment buildings and
some commercial spaces, and you know, it's understanding how communities
work and then how you drive economies and business.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
We had built homes.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
For a while with a partner of mind, so we
had had experience in the building and development stages too,
and that was one of the things we looked at
in Colorado was that you know, I'm watching the Democrats
talk about how they're going to fix the home what
they're calling affordable housing. Well, the problem with the affordable
housing is what they're really talking about is government subsidized housing. Right,
they're saying a thousand units, Well, how many people want
(20:29):
more government subside housing? What I want is a table
housing across Colorado. And the problem I'm seeing and watching
Bennett and Wise or talk about these things is they're
not getting the key point that I think a business
person would understand, and that is you have to cut
the red tape to be able to produce a table house.
And one of the reasons you do that, and something
we're all dealing with across municipal areas and then state
(20:50):
governments and county local local areas. Is that the cost
of just having a water treatment facility. Now the State
of Colorado has put so many economic impacts on them
to produce water that's better than when it went into it.
That costs local areas millions of dollars, which drives up
your water tap costs.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
And how much of Colorado's water does Teler County have?
We have a lot?
Speaker 7 (21:11):
Yeah, so Teller County is one of the areas that
actually we house water for Denver, we house water for
Colorado Springs, we house water for Pueblo or the mountains.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
This is where water comes from.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Yeah, so we understand water and water rights and how
that affects ranching and farming and all those economic pieces
and throughout the state of Colorado, and how it drives
protection on fires.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
See, it seems to me you bring a unique set
of experiences to the race and expertise to the race
because I personally believe that there are these these key,
primary and primal issues that unite us if the right
candidate can pull it together. And everybody talks about suburban
housewives deciding key races, close races in Colorado. Will I
(21:52):
have never met a Democrat, let's say, a Democrat mom
who cared more about the Democratic Party than they did
this afety other family, for example. And so just your
experience when it comes to law and order, it's a
cast to at least get you people's attention right out
of the gate. And then that interesting not just a
(22:12):
background in business, but just the variety of businesses that
you're involved in and just the different understandings that must
give you. I mean between the restaurant business, which has
its own crazy challenges and then you're talking about you know,
apartment complexes. Yeah, I don't think there'll be another candidate
with that kind of experience.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
Mix well, I don't think so. And I think when
you drive policies or look at policies as a state governor,
you have to know how to mentor through different organizations
and through departments within the government. And I will tell
you one of the hardest things to navigate right now
is just who do I call and how do I
even get a hold of them?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Into state? Right right? You got people working from home,
You got.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
People aren't in the office, They don't understand their own rules,
and regulations, and our legislature changes things on a daily
basis where none of us understand it. So you know
understand how really it's being driven out of Denver through
the legislature down to local communities, through city municipal governments
and or county governments. And really those questions of those
(23:13):
needs should be driven from local county governments, city municipalities
back up to Denver for policies, not the other way around.
Because what's happening is our building codes are out of control.
You can't build in this state without going through all
of these new electrical codes and all these new things
that really sometimes the rest of Colorado can't get through.
And really, if somebody doesn't have a background or understanding
(23:34):
of those, they're signing bills without understanding what that does
to contractors and laborers and that guy swinging a hammer,
how's he even going to make a dollar if he can't
get work because we've driven our costs right.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
And I think if a Republican candidate is going to
be able to break through at the end of the day,
I don't think it's going to be because of particular
talking points on policy of this and that. I think
they're going to look at the guy or gal and
they're going to say, hey, that's a really smart, experienced
person who is in touch with and cares about everyday
people in their everyday problems. I think that's going to
(24:06):
be what it takes to get people interested enough to
even consider the Republican And it seems to me you
bring an awful lot of that to the table. So
say you're in the elevator with somebody and they say
to you, okay, Sheriff. Everybody says law and order. Everybody
says make us safer. How are you going to be
better at making me and my family safer than the
(24:27):
other candidates?
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Well, I think I have a set of skills that
allow me to do so. And here's why I say that.
One of the things you have to do is you
have to stop going after every law enforcement officer with
every threat about being taken into custody.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
He got a state.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Attorney general that just he's civilly suing a law enforcement
officer for doing his job. So really, you know, the
president's actually using National Guard in certain areas, big cities.
I don't think we need that here. What we really
need is, as a governor that can get with sheriffs
and police departments and police chiefs come together with coalitions
to move forward and within different jurisdictions to help move
(25:04):
out crime and do those things. We have to comply
with thair a law with a lot of different issues,
especially with immigration, only to identify out the serious criminals
and deal with those issues. Work with our federal partners,
the FBI and all the other organizations. Really to clean
up streets too. You've got to drive an economy because
if you don't have an economy and we're shutting down
(25:24):
businesses all over the state of Colorado, what how many
thousands of businesses have gone out this year? If you
don't drive that, you need more and more people. You're
going to have to help more and more people with
different means to make it well. In law enforcement, we
know that if those people are happy and they've got
jobs and they're able to get to work, we don't
(25:44):
have as many crimes. When the economical issues come up
and people can't feed their families, we have more crime.
And so in Colorado there's a little bit of love
for people in understanding how they need to get there
and what we need to do. But law enforcement has
to have I was taken off. They have to be
able to do their jobs and not believe they're going
to face a state of Colorado going after them tomorrow
(26:07):
for doing their jobs or local jurisdictions.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Like amen to that and grateful for your time today
in our last two minutes. The floors yours say whatever
you want.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Well, I would just tell you this. I think if
people are looking for somebody that can really understand the
issues in Colorado, that's normal and nice, but understands how
we move an economy and how we get energy surplus
back in this state instead of losing it, bring oil
and gas back and really create jobs. I haven't understanding
of how to do that, and I also know how
(26:35):
to mentor a local government to where you have people
coming up that can actually do the jobs they're supposed
to do and not leave all of Colorado behind where
we're only helping a few here in the states. So
if you want to find out more ABOUMB, you can
Google me, or you can just go to my website.
It's micsoforegov dot com. And I'm more than happy to
talk to you and do whatever I can to show
you which direction I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Go and spell mic so for people please, So it's
m ik E S E L L and it's the
number four gov dot com. I just learned a new
phrase here. It's a really cool phrase. Ryan, you want
to steal this to a texture who says that segment
just made me cautiously giddy. I really hope he can
run a strong campaign and I will definitely contribute. Cautiously giddy.
(27:18):
What a great phrase.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah. Well, I appreciate the time today, Sheriff, Thank you
so much for that. Best of luck to you. I'm
sure we'll talk again, so I hope, so thank you.
Hey y'all when we come back your reaction to our conversation,
but we'll also have the latest on Benedict Crowe and
where things stand now after the President fired back so strong.
Looks like Crowe is backing off some as he should.
(27:40):
Still a very dangerous situation because of his recklessness. You're
on the Dan Caplas Show.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And now back to the Dan Tapless Show podcast that
made you.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Decide now was the right time. That's right.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
To be clear, we are not calling on folks right
now to debate, to disobey any type of unlawful order, there.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Is very real what that's exactly what he said. Yeah,
to be clear, we're not calling on people to disobey
any particular unlawful order. Wow, what's going on here? Legal, Well,
let's have that conversation. I'm going to start this over.
That's hard to even process. So we're talking about Benedict
(28:24):
Crowe and obviously he and these other Democrats have undermined
national security, imagined the message this sends to our enemies
and there are so many evil enemies of the United
States around the world. When you have these elected officials
calling on the military to disobey the president, and yeah,
they protect themselves legally by saying quote unlawful orders, but
(28:47):
the bottom line is they're calling on the military to
defy orders. What effect do you think that's going to
have on our enemies? And beyond that, think about the
danger it creates for the president and for the members
of the military and for those who might be a gullible,
(29:07):
some unhinged, etc. They say disobey unlawful orders, but they
don't give you a single example of an unlawful order. So,
now CNN gets a hold of Benedict and what does
he say.
Speaker 9 (29:19):
About what this president has threatened to do over and
over again. There are three more years left to this administration.
If we are not talking about this and having a
conversation about it, and demystifying this conversation, that we are
not fulfilling our duty. We are reminding people that have
taken the oath what that oath requires of them to do.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Oh my goodness, and I had labeled him a coward
immediately upon doing this, but this is even worse. And
for those who say, well, Dan, you didn't serve he
served bravely in armed forces. I'm the first to say
he serve bravely in our armed forces. But somebody can
be very courageous during one phase of their life and
then be very cowardly in a different phase of their life.
(30:00):
This is kind of the ultimate political profile in cowardice.
Let's play that again from the top, keeping in mind
this is on CNN. Now he's being pinned down by CNN.
Speaker 9 (30:12):
So are you saying that.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
There was not necessarily any particular precipitating event. There is
no specific thing out there that made you decide now
was the right time.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
That's right.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
To be clear, we are not calling on folks right
now to debate to disobey any type of unlawful order.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
We are not calling on folks to disobey any type
of unlawful order. What do you think is going on here?
Three all three seven one three eight two five five
text d A N five seven seven three nine will
start out in beautiful Kiowa, Colorado with Mark. You're on
the Dankplas. She'll welcome Mark.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Hey, thank you, Dan, good evening. And here's here's what
I see is he's playing the job of a defensive authority.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Mark. I think we need to have a talk with
your cell carrier. Yeah, we lost Mark, hopefully we'll get
I don't know, you got it dumped. Ok. Too bad.
People would have really enjoyed Ryan's comments that he thought
were off their But anyway, I think what where Mark
was going with this was that, you know, Crow's worried
(31:26):
legally and and now he's trying to defend himself legally,
et cetera. Well, Mark's back, we're told, so he can
talk for himself. Hey, Mark, so pick it up from.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
Yeah, Okay, he's playing a part of a defense attorney,
just trying to put a little bit of a doubt
Mark of you know, have I followed a illegal order.
You know what have I done? And and you know
how that can just, you know, manisfess itself into all
kinds of other bad ideas. And I think he's I
(32:01):
think he's put Trump in a really dangerous spot, came
into that. It's just sad. It really is sad a
member of the military like himself would would go to
that kind of level, and it's it's awful.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, agreed, Hey, thank you Mark for that call. Interesting take.
Mark has that that Crow's play is just to create
doubt in the mind of service members and undermine Trump
that way. But what a change, what a change in
position just from yesterday? Why Why would Crow come out
(32:41):
today and say specifically, we are not asking service members
to disobey any particular unlawful order. So what Crow saying
today is there are unlawful orders that I'm not on
to identify for you, but we are not asking people
(33:04):
to disobey those unlawful orders. Why would you say that?
Speaker 6 (33:10):
So are you saying that there was not necessarily any
particular precipitating event, There is no specific thing out there
that made you decide now was the right time.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
That's right.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
To be clear, we are not calling on folks right
now to debate to disobey any type of unlawful order.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I think the reason he says that is because he
knows there are no unlawful orders. So he knows that
what he has done may cause somebody to disobey a
lawful order, which will then get them court martialed, will
(33:50):
then destroy them and their families in lots of different ways.
And Crow doesn't want them coming back to Crow now
and saying, well, you said in your video we have
your back, so pay my legal fees by my family
a house while I'm in jail. He knows that's a
(34:10):
situation he's put himself in because there aren't any unlawful orders.
Three h three seven one three eight two five five
the number text us at DN five seven seven three nine. Ryan,
what's your take on that? Yeah, it's it's just a stunning,
stunning turnaround. And this from a guy Crow and his
(34:36):
co conspirators there, And I don't mean that in legally
prosecutable sense. I was a guy who told you right
out of the gate. Wait a second. They have very
diabolically protected themselves legally by sending this implicit message that hey,
you need to be going out there disobeying these orders
while it's an explicit message, while not identifying any particular order.
(34:58):
And above all, the legal detection claim came from qualifying
it with unlawful orders. That's their legal shield. So from
the beginning, I've made it clear he has not committed
a crime. He cannot be successfully prosecuted. They've been very
careful about that legally. But at the same time, they
(35:19):
have put the president in grave danger, and you have
to imagine they knew they would be doing that, right,
I mean, is Crow going to come on the show?
Can we ask him that question? I think you have
better fans getting pull us on. Yeah, what a profile
encourage Crow is. But don't you think smart people like
(35:40):
that had to know they'd be putting the president in
grave danger by doing this. So why is Crow now
backing off and saying no, we're not asking anybody to
disobey any current unlawful orders. What do you think that's
all about? You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
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