September 2, 2025 • 34 mins
In the first hour of today's edition of The Dan Caplis Show, Sheriff Steve Reams fills in and reacts to the latest headlines around the state of Colorado.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to the Dan Capless Show. Here on a
Tuesday morning that fill our Tuesday afternoon that kind of
feels like a Monday. And if you are tuning in
and realize that this is not Dan Caplis, you would
be right. You're listening to Well Kundty Shriff Steve Reims
filling in again for Dan as he finishes his world
tour of wherever he's going. I don't know trial, prep, vacation,
combinations of those things. But you know, Dan deserves the
(00:37):
time off too, and if we can help provide that
a little bit, I'm happy to come down here and
share the airwaves and try to keep this thing on
the rails at least for a couple of days. So
I'll be with you today and tomorrow and then again
on Friday. I think Christy Burton Brown is going to
be in on Thursday, so you get a little bit
of a mix up during the week. But I'm sure
we'll try to keep it interesting and as always, i'd
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like to have you guys pertinate in the show. So
before I even tell you kind of what we're going
to talk about, let's get that information out there. If
you want to text in, you can text Dan at
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with Dan, I get it a lot easier. And then
if you want to call in three h three seven
one three eight two five five. But there were some
breaking news today regarding some gun issues or firearms issues
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down in Colorado Springs. The Colorado State Shooting Association is
basically initiating a lawsuit against the state and it's it's
pretty groundbreaking. Actually. They've had some recent successes in the
neighboring state of New Mexico, where they were challenging the
seven day waiting period to buy a gun in that
particular state, which may ring a little bit of a
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little bit of truth to you if you live here
in Colorado and you've tried to buy a firearm in
the last couple of years, because we have a three
day waiting period, which is complete nonsense, but that's what
Colorado does. Anyways, The Colorado State Shooting Association has again
filed that lawsuit against the state to try to push
back and say, hey, this most recent bill that you
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have enacted through Senate Bill IREI we believe that to
be unconstitutional. And again with a little bit of win
to their sales, win in the back of their sales,
I guess from a preemptive wind down in New Mexico.
You know, it kind of gives them a little bit
of a leg to stand on here in the state
of Colorado. So for me, as a law enforcement guy,
I very much believe in people being armed and being
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part of their own security and having rights to exercise
their Second Amendment and carry a weapon if they choose
to do so, buy a weapon for home protection. And
I really don't care what that weapon is. I just
want you to have some investment in, you know, taking
care of yourself, taking care of your family, and Colorado
just keeps making it more and more difficult. So anytime
there's an opportunity to kind of stick it in the
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eye of the Democrats down at the state Capitol when
they're pushing through what I believe or unconstitutional gun laws,
you know, I think we owe it to ourselves. We
owe it to the people that are fighting the fight
to kind of say hey, thanks for what you're doing
and get a little more information see if we can
support them in some way. So we're going to do that.
After our first break, we're going to have the director
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of operations. His name is Daniel Finlason. He's going to
be on with us from the Colorado State Shooting Association.
And again, yeah, they had a big press conference today
and I think they're taking they're taking the fight where
it needs to be. You know, they're going through the
court system, which we all know right now is a
little bit of a difficult battle, especially in Colorado. But
if the if the facts are on your side, then
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typically that that that helps you win. And again, getting
that recent win down and down in New Mexico is definitely,
you know, a feather in their caps, you know a
little bit of a little bit of win in the sales,
and I think it helps, you know, any like I said,
anytime we can get any kind of win in the
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state of Colorado and pushing back on some of these
Democrat policies, that's exactly what we want to do. And
in the hour two we're gonna have Laura Carno come
back on the show. It's my understanding she was on
with the Flora in the in the previous couple hours.
But we're going to take a little different path with
Laura Carno. She's known for her Faster Colorado program. She's
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the executive director of that organization where they train up
teachers on how to protect schools and protect students and
protect themselves and the staff by being armed in school
in school buildings, which is, you know, such a novel concept.
She's you want to fight someone with a gun, you
probably want to bring a gun to the gunfight. So
we'll speak with her, but we're going to do it
on a little different pathway, kind of talking about how
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these latest bills have really impacted the efforts that her
group's trying to make, and you know, some of the
struggles that you that you deal with in the state
of Colorado when it comes to dealing with any kind
of firearm or purchasing a firearm. At this point, I mean,
it's it's a mess. But we'll break all that down
as we go, but kind of just you know, talking
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some of the big headlines in the state of Colorado.
How about the idea that Space Force is moving to Alabama.
I mean, in the words of Forrest Gump, Alabama. I mean,
I don't know how much Space Force means to a
lot of you, but I think anytime something's leaving the
state of Colorado and going to another state, it's concerning,
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especially when President Trump says, hey, it's because Colorado. And
these are my words, not his, but you can probably
hear him saying it. Basically, he believes Colorado's run by
a bunch of dem witz. He doesn't like our voting
policies here, he doesn't like the way that our secretary
of State and our governor conducts elections. And this is
kind of one of those things where he's saying, you know,
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I don't want to invest any more time in the
state of Colorado, and we're not going to put one
of our newest assets. If you remember, he established Space Force,
and so if he wants to take it out of Colorado,
I think there's a little bit of personal motivation to
do so. So, yeah, a little bit of a sad day,
but I don't think I don't think there's any appealing
that it's going to go. In fact, it's probably already
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packing up and leaving at this particular point. So, yeah,
Space Force is leaving Colorado. We got some terrible gun laws,
and uh, you know, we're going to figure out if
we can at least change that and turn the tide again.
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I'll read them. Let's see here, here's a great one.
This is from Alexi. She says only four Dan Kapla
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Speaker 3 (06:41):
She is so excited about this.
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You have to understand this.
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I have to believe everyone is excited about that.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You know, I know Dan's not really much of a drinker,
but if he's going to listen to the show that night,
I'm going to assume he may become a drinker. Yeah,
you know, Brockler and I are were like step others.
And I know you don't watch the movie, Kelly.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
But I haven't seen it, Well, you're.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Gonna see it in studio on the ninth.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Price, we'll totally be able to witness it.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, it's gonna be it's gonna be something. I mean,
like I said, George and I are usually forced to
sit on opposite sides of the room if we're ever
at an event together, because we're those two kids that
would you know, get in trouble in class next to
each other. We have a good friendship. We joust back
and forth about some things we disagree on, but we
probably agree on way more than we ever disagree. But
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the show will be fun. Well, I'm sure we'll play
off of each other. Well, or we'll end up having
a wrestling match in here and he'll lose and I'll
win and it'll be fun. So he knows that's what's
gonna happen. I mean, you can ask him, but I'm
sure he's quite certain of it. So we might have
to arm wrestle or something. Have you guys, Have you
guys commentate about it while.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
We're totally calling him right now, go ahead and see
if that's fine.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Get him on. I'm not afraid we'll deal with broc
clear anytime. But yeah, so on the ninth, we're going
to co host the show. We've been trying to convince
Dan that this was a good idea, and finally, in
some kind of weakness, he decided to let this happen,
and so we'll see where it goes. But today we're
going to talk guns. We'll talk about everything that you
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want to talk about in the state of Colorado. If
you got questions about CCW laws, how Senate Bill three,
this new permitting to buy a gun process is going
to work again, text in, call in. I'm happy to
have the back and forth. I'll answer whatever questions that
I can for you, and hopefully when we have Daniel
on in the next segment, this lawsuit that he's filing,
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I think it's going to be pretty educational all of us,
and we're going to see just how bad Senate Bill
three is and what it's going to look like to
get that thing tossed out. So we'll go to break,
we'll get Daniel on the line, and when we come back,
we'll break down this lawsuit that's bound to overturn Senate
Bill three, the really, really bad, most recent gun law.
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show here on six
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(09:00):
as your guest host. See in a few.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Ryan who is also out on vacation, so it's like
fill in time all around. But Zach's a very competent
board operator, and we still got Kelly here that is
going to keep us online, so we'll make sure that
we put the best show together that we know how,
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one three eight two five five. And when we went
to break, I told you about a lawsuit that's been
filed by the Coloro State Shooting Association c SSA as
it's better known, kind of a branch of the NRA,
and we're going to have their executive or director of
operations on with us in just a second. His name
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is Daniel Finnlssen. He's going to kind of break down
that lawsuit for us just a little bit and let
us know exactly what the what the plan is going
to be to turn over the state of Colorado and
try to reverse Senate Bill three. I think he's what
this on the line. Is that correct? All right? Daniel?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
How are you?
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I'm doing well. How are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It was good talking to you for just a little
bit the other day when you guys sent out the
press release. But you know, I guess kind of before
we get into the meat and potatoes of that, if Daniel,
if you could just kind of explain what your position
is with CSSA and kind of what your organization does,
and you know, kind of get the listeners a little
bit of an idea of how you guys operate.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Absolutely, so, as you mentioned, CSSA is the state Association
up the NRA for Colorado. We've been around for ninety
nine years. Wow, you'll next year will be our one
hundred year anniversary. And through that time, obviously we've looked
different and things have evolved and developed within an organization.
But at the heart of it, our job is to
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protect in advance and Second Amendment and our God given
gun rights in Colorado, and so through that I am
the director of operation. So pretty much anything that is,
you know, behind the scenes, helping to raise fund helping
to organize testimony, any of those activities is what I run.
I'm just gonna have the middleman between all of the
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leadership and our operations. And for this I means I
was able to go out and plaintiffs for our case,
make sure that we have the right people to pet
the right arguments in front of the judges. And that's
going to be very helpful for as we go to
court to be able to present instances where Center Bill
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three is going to severely limit someone's ability to protect
themselves or family properties and the freedom that we love
here in Colorado. You know, ultimately, the Second Amendment was
not passed for our hunting rights. Obviously we support our
hunting rights, but it wasn't a great deer uprising in
seventeen seventy six that the founders about right. It was
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in fighting off tyranny. And anytime that the government wants
sees an opportunity to take our louerties away and give
more control to the government, they're going to take that opportunity.
They did that with cin A Bill Free. Yeah, and
so when we lost that we wanted in the legislature
and in the governor's office, we knew we were going
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to take this to court.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well, so again, I think you did a good job
there of kind of outlining what your organization does. But
for the for the listener out there center, Bill three
is a pretty it's a pretty overarching bill that it
creates a bunch of barriers for anybody who wants to
go out and buy a gun, and that they now
have to go to a private entity and obtain a
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background check, and then they have to bring that background
check to their local sheriff or a sheriff in the state.
The sheriff has to review that data and say, yeah,
your background's fine for you to now go take a class,
and then once you take that class, that class in
a you to maybe go buy a weapon that now
triggers the three day waiting period and so on and
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so forth. Did I cover that pretty well? I mean,
is that the way you read the bill?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
And one part that it makes me really nervous with
this bill is it creates a fact a registry of
potential gun owners because as a sheriff, once you get
someone in that training card, you upload them into a
database that firearm trainers will check to make sure that
car wrenches up with the person who provides the background check. Well,
so now you have a database of people who are
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seeking to purchase a semi automatic weapon that's accessible by
every law enforcement and all law enforcement in the state,
every trainer who certified to get these trainings in the state,
and every FFL here in the state. And so it's
not like it's a private list or a government held list.
It's going to be held by thousands and thousands of
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people across this state. And so there's a huge privacy
concern that we also see with this bill.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, and it's supposed to be administered by the Colorado
Parks and Wildlife Group, which is such an odd fit because,
like you said, there wasn't a deer uprising that America
was founded on. But having said all that, I will
tell you as a sheriff, I've gotten plenty of people saying, hey,
why don't you just not enforce this, Why don't you
just ignore it? You know, And I've earned a reputation
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for there being certain bills that I say I'm just
not going to do it, red Flag being one. So
you know, there's a question about, well, why don't the
sheriffs just say we're not going to do it. The
problem is that puts the sheriff creating the barrier where
someone can't and go take the class to then go
purchase the weapon. And that's the way that this thing
was constructed, and it was done so by the Democrats
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specifically in my mind, to put the sheriffs in the
middle of this mess and try to silence us. They
don't really want us pushing back against the legislation that
they have down there, especially as it pertains the gun rights.
I don't know if you have an opinion on that,
but that's my take as a sheriff.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Yeah, and I think that's exactly right. I mean, they
wanted to build this in a way that if those
that are respecting the Constitution don't enforce it, you're actually
punishing the everyday gun owner, the everyday citizen who wants
to become a gun owner. It's not actually going to
go back onto the government. They designed this very well
in order to do that. And the reason they put
it in card on Parks and Wildlife is that no
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other law enforcement agency wanted it. You know, the Sheriff
Association came out against this bill. The CBI is completely
backed up and not able to run this. They've already
attached so many responsibilities to Department of Revenue that they
now have a FFL division within the Department of Revenue.
And so they're running out of places to shove all
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of these gun controlled legislation pieces, and they just picked
the car out of parks and wildlife, which what that
effect is going to have is that gun owners are
going to start to lose trust and faith in car
out of parks and wildlife. And the relationship between hunters
and car parks and wildlife is so important, but that
trust is going to.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Be lost because now you have of that organization enforcing
the strictest gun control this state has ever seen without
any additional resources to be able to do so.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, So, Daniel, I know that your organization, I guess
your brother sister organization down in New Mexico just got
a win of sorts pushing back on I'm going to
say a similar law a seven day waiting period down
in New Mexico, and I think that's kind of put
you guys in the in the seat to say, hey,
we beat New Mexico. The law that Colorado just passed
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is even worse. Is that kind of where is that
kind of where the energy is coming for this this
particular lawsuit against the state.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Well, certainly it was a big shot on the arm
to see our our sister organization in the n RA
down in New Mexico be able to win that lawsuit,
especially in our circuit court that we have here in
Colorado as we share that with Mexico.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, daniel hold on just a second, we're going to
take a hard break. Stay on that. Stay on that thought.
When we come back from break, we'll go into that
lawsuit exactly what that wind means and how it's going
to how it's going to apply to this Colorado lawsuit.
Stick with us through the break. This is great information.
We've got Danielle Finlisson on the line from CSSA. We'll
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Now you're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And when we went to break, we were talking with
Daniel Finnlssen with the he's the director of operations for
the Colorado State Shooting Association. He was gracious enough to
stay with us through the break because we've got a
lot more We got a lot more conversation to have
here about exactly what his organization is doing. So, Daniel,
when we went to break, you were talking about the
lawsuit that just happened down in New Mexico and how
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that kind of put the wind to your sales, if
you will, for what you announced in the state of
Colorado this morning. But can you kind of let the
listeners know about that win that happened in New Mexico
and why it means.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
So much here absolutely so with that circuit court that
againting fall out of shares with New Mexico, We've not
always seen great rulings come out on second bedment cases
from that circuit court, and so to see that win
come out on against a seven day waiting period. What
we saw is two major shifts. One is a good
solid win coming out of our circuit, but the second
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is in that decision, they talked about how there's a
right to acquire firearms, and that was one of the
things that has been debated within this circuit is sure,
you have the right to keep a bear arms, but
do you have the right to acquire Now, you and
I are the same page, and of course you have
to acquire them to be able to keep them bear them,
but the circuit down there was saying that no, you
don't have a right to acquire it. And this has
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changed with this ruling, which really gave us a good
shot in the arm as we were going forward with
this lawsuit, and to double that shot in the arm our.
Law firm that we brought on for this Nount State
Legal Foundation is the same law firm that won that
case down in New Mexico. So it's the same warriors
that are working on this and they're able to bring
that same expertise of how to work with this circuit,
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how to advance our plaintiff's stories as they are legitimate
cases of where their secondment rights are going to be
infringed by waiting months to be able to get their
firearms through the permit purchase scheme that sent a Bill
three put forward, and on top of that all of
the fees and you touched on some of those earlier
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that will be associated with just being able to get
to purchasing a firearm, much less actually being able to
utilize that firearm.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
So we kind of walked through the steps that sent
it Bill three creates. I want to outline those again
one more time for the listeners. So if someone wants
to buy a gun beginning August first of twenty twenty six,
and it's virtually every gun in the state of Colorado
that is semi automatic in nature, and we can debate
that you know about which guns it actually applies to,
but my interpretation is pretty much anything semi automatic. That
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being said, correct, if you want to buy a gun,
you're going to have to go down to a private entity,
pay for a background check, and then you're gonna have
to bring that background check to a sheriff. A sheriff
is going to review that background check and say, yeah,
you're authorized to own a weapon, or you have a
clean enough background to go buy a weapon. But instead
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of going and buying a weapon, you've got to go
take a class first, and once you take that class
again from some other private entity, then you can go
to the gun store and once you've checked all those boxes,
you can potentially bioweapon and then start the process that
is outlined under Senate bill our House Bill twenty three
twelve nineteen, which means you can go buy the gun,
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but you're going to wait three days before you can
pick it up. I hope that bill is being rolled
into the lawsuit as well. But you guys are challenging
Senate Bill three, which outlines all those ridiculous steps for
someone to go through in the state of Colorado beginning
August one of twenty twenty six, and you're doing so
ahead of time with a pretty important win at your
back from the state of New Mexico. When does this
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lawsuit hits? I mean, I know you guys had your
press conference today. Give us the details of what went
on in that press conference.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Absolutely so, that lawsuit landed today this morning. We filed
it in court today and so it is live and
it is starting to work its way through the local process.
How long it's going to take. There's so many different
variables to see that, but we wanted to get out
in front of the same challenge. It now work through
the court systems with eleven months before this bill goes
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into effect, and that has that will allow us to
hopefully be able to fight this bill sufficiently by the
time that this goes into place, but we should be
ready that we might have to endure living under this
regime for a short period of time where we can
take you to fight this in the courts, because as
we all know, the courts are not quick to respond
answer these questions and so but we're obviously gonna be
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pushing as hard as we can to move this ball along.
In the press conference today, what we saw were sheriffs,
elected officials, other Second Amendment advocates, myself as a school
shooting survivor, our leadership team, and some of our plaintiffs
that were there, all standing and saying one voice, this
bill has gone way too far. There was an even
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proper debate on this bill. They changed the bill dramatically
at one in the morning before they shot up through
the Senate that this bill is not only illogical, it
is so unconstitutional in so many different ways. We make
all those different arguments within our lawsuit from the waving
period that you touched on, But I'll to the financial costs.
This bill will price out so many colorado Ins for
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being able to protect themselves at the same time that
we're seeing high rates of crime coming into the state.
And you and I share it. Both know these laws
do nothing to stock criminals. All they do is stop
law abiding gun owners from being able to purchase and
protect firearms to protect themselves, their family, and their freedom.
And so this bill is never about protecting Colorado ins
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or reducing gun violence. In fact, we've seen that inverse
happen that where there is stricter gun control, we see
higher rates of violent crime with firearms because criminals know
it is less likely they're going to run into a
good guy with a gun. The school shooting I servive
happened at a gun free zone in Seattle, so in
one of the most gun restrictive cities, one of the
most gun restrictive state in the country, and none of
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those laws stopped that shooter from coming to my school.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
So I'm a survivor of a school shooter from nineteen
ninety two as well, And I got to tell you
the impression that that left on me. I'm assuming you
may share the same thing, But I knew at that
point I never wanted to be in a situation where
I could not protect myself equally to the violence that
was being perpetrated. And I was only a seventeen year
old kid, but I knew at the point where I
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could carry a gun and protect myself, I very much
wanted to have the right to do that. And based
on what you're doing, I have to assume you kind
of made that same leap. Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Absolutely? I grew up in a conservative home and around
firearms when I went to Seattle, and after I experienced
that school shooting, I sat down and looked at both
sides of the argument, just completely objectively, and I saw
that there was really only one solution, being responsible for
my own safety. And part of that means being able
to be trained and protect myself and my family with firearms,
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with other tools, and you know, learning self awareness and
learning to be aware of the situation around me and
all the other parts that go into that. But I
had to take my own responsibility into my own hands,
and part of that was becoming a much stronger advocate
for the Second Amendment, and I saw that gun laws
were just so ineffectual and they had no real impact
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on stopping criminals from committing violence. You know, one of
the lines that Peddie Collins who's our vice president of
industry affairs said today during a press conference where it
was someone who's dead, said, on committing murder or another
violent crime, will not even bleak at another gun law
that they're going to be breaking in the process. That's
the absolute truth, right, And if we're not already arresting
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these people and you know, cleaning up our streets and
enforcing the laws that gets violent crime, now, just having
another long books isn't going to change anything. All it's
going to do is affect gun owners like me and
like you and like others for being able to protect
themselves and their properties and their families at a time,
like I said, that we're experiencing this high rate of
crime here.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
That's what.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
That's what this bill does, is it just goes after
the law abiding citizens. And it's so comical even to
see Governor poll Us go up and talk about how
he wants to stand up for rual Colorado and be
tough on crime, and he's a libertarian when he signs
a bill that is so authoritarian and tyrannical. Has sent
a bill three after he's been told that it's unconstitutional,
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that there will be a legal challenge, and that this
will do nothing to actually have a positive impact on
crime or on mass shootings, and he's still sign it.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
He signed it anyways. Yeah, I mean, it's obviously unconstitutional
by so many measures. And again, the thing you hear
down at the state Capitol is, well, it's constitutional until
it's proven otherwise, when we sign it, it's constitutional. And
that's just such a bad way of making law. I
guess one last thing. We're up against a break here,
but I gotta I gotta squeeze this question in Daniel.
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There's nothing in this bill that requires a fee to
be set that all sheriffs, that all these gun classes
have to follow. That fee schedule can kind of be
determined by whoever is offering the serve, so the sheriff,
the person teaching the class, the person doing the background,
the private insit doing the background. So when you're talking
about how these prices could get pretty exhorbitant, I think
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that's an obvious thing that anyone can see. But it
also puts so much power in the hands of a
sheriff who may or may not be very protective of
your Second Amendment rights. In Wild County, you're going to
be fine. But in other parts of the state, who knows.
And that's a huge problem in this bill. I know
that you guys are going to attack that. I believe
that you're going to but I would also ask you
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throw in House Bill twenty three, twelve nineteen. That three
day waiting period is just one more nail in the
coffin as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Absolutely, yeah, we have this is an exaggerating number. We
have seventeen lawsuits that we're exploring right now, but all
of those take resources, sure, and so if people want
to explore about how to join us in this fight,
we're all volunteer fourth. So every dollar goes to the
fight and go to see us at day dot org.
They can going to be a member there. We give
away a gun of month to a member. And then
on September twentieth and twenty first, we're having our Shots
(28:00):
for Freedom event down in Colorado Springs. Everything from bb
gun ranges run by our shaff down here, share roiball
and a machine gun shoot as well. And we're bringing
in Congressman Hageman from Wyoming who beat Liz Cheney and
used to be a Second Amendment lawyer before she became
a congresswoman as our main speaker. And like I said,
every dollar from those things goes straight to the fight
and straight to us launching more lawsuits, and that is
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one of the bills that we were looking at, launching
lawsuits on.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Okay, great, Daniel, thanks for being on with us again.
Daniel Finn listen from the director of operations for Colorado
State Shooting Association. Very informative. We've got a bunch of
questions that are coming in. We'll get to those after
we take this break, but Daniel, just thank you for
your time and we'll have you back on as soon
as we can.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
You're listening to Dan Caples Show here on six point
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And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
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The show here with well Kenny Shriff, Steve Riams as
your guest host. When we went to break, we were
talking with Daniel Finlinson from CSSA, the Colorado Shooting I'm sorry,
Colorado State Shooting Association, and we've been talking a little
bit about guns the right to possess them, and I
just want to read this a well regulated militia being
necessary to the security of a free state, the right
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of the people to keep the bear arms shall not
be infringed. If you were listening in the last segment
and we broke down what Senate Bill three requires of
someone who wants to purchase a firearm shall not be infringed,
it seems to have been trampled all over with that
bill and so many others in the state of Colorado.
So CSSA has filed a lawsuit against the state and said, hey,
we're going to battle this out on Senate Bill three
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and stand up for the citizens in the state of
Colorado who want to possess a firearm. And I think
they're on really good ground. When this bill was written,
myself and many others went down to the state Capitol
and said, what are you doing. This is blatantly unconstitutional,
and of course themocrats down there said prove it. So
we're going to see We're gonna we're gonna have a
(30:04):
chance to prove it. But I asked you guys to
call in and text in with questions or comments about
this topic. You've definitely sent it in some questions. You
can text in it Dan five seven seven three nine,
or you can call in at three oh three seven
one three eight two five five. And having said that,
we have a caller on the line from Littleton, I
don't know if this is Lewis or Lewis on this name.
(30:25):
The spelling of this name always trips me up, but.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yes, Lewis.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
All right, Lewis, How you doing and thanks for holding
for so long.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
I'm doing fine, sirup, and you're doing a great job.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Look what I uh, What if I don't want to
buy a semi automatic and I want to buy a
revolver or am I still going to be affected by
these new laws?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
No, that's an interesting question, and it's a great question.
If you want to buy a pump action shotgun, if
you want to buy a revolver, none of this stuff
applies because apparently those guns are far less dangerous in
the eyes of the Democrat that's been a semi automatic.
So you can still go down to the You can
still go down to the gun store and buy one.
You don't have to take a class, but you will
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have to wait three days to get it.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Fantastic. Thank you, you bet.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Thanks for holding for all that time, Lewis, and call
in again. We love having you on. As soon as
I heard your voice, I'm like, oh, I know who
this guy is. But thanks again for calling.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
We'll do all right.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
We'll get to a few of these other questions that
you guys have texted in and again keep them coming.
Five seven seventy three nine started out with Dan so
that it gets to me this one here. It's a
very relevant question, Sheriff. What prevents a Colorado resident from
going to a neighboring state buying a firearm and bringing
it back to Colorado. I'm guessing nothing, and you would
be right. It says just sending business elsewhere. But I'm
(31:42):
sure that's the intended side effect, you know. Honestly, I
think the intended side effect or the intended effect of
this bill was just to make gun ownership as burdensome
as possible, and if you go to another state to
buy one, you know, so be it. I don't think
the democrats went that far. I will tell you that oftentimes,
if you're going to go to a neighboring state to
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buy a weapon, oftentimes you're limited to a long rifle.
Sometimes those neighboring states you have to have you have
to live in the state in order to buy a handgun.
And that's just that's state by state. I don't know
all the neighboring state laws, but I can tell you,
for Wyoming, if you want to buy a long gun,
you can go up to Wyoming and do so, but
not necessarily a handgun. Here's another one. As a Colorado
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native of sixty plus years, I hunted here for thirty years,
left every second of it. But I haven't hunted in
my own home state in over ten years. The leftist,
slow steady tightening of regulations convinced me years ago that
they didn't want me. So I moved my hunting and
my money elsewhere. And there are so many people that
are doing that very thing. I mean, Colorado is choking
(32:46):
itself out in an attempt to get rid of guns.
And you know, you could make the argument that if
you could uninvent guns, maybe we wouldn't have gun in violence.
Well that might be true, but that ship has sailed,
and so if bad guys have access to guns, then
I certainly want good guys to have better access to them.
And the funny thing is you guys follow the laws
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in order to exercise your second moment rights. I guess
that's not funny, it's just expected. Here's another one, Sheriff,
if you already own a semi automatic weapon and have
a concealed carry consil carry permit, does the new law
prevent you from purchasing more guns without having to go
through the training. Absolutely it does, so you have to
look at concealed weapon training. And this new Senate Bill
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III semi automatic Purchasing Program is completely different things that
do not have a cross section. So if you want
to have a CCW, you still got to go through
all the mess that is that now. But if you
want to own a semi automatic firearm, your CCW does
nothing for helping you go around that process. You will
still have to go get a background, you will still
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have to go You'll still have to go to the
sheriff and get approved, You'll still have to take a class.
The only thing that might be sped up is if
you coordinate the application of your CCW on the same
day that you're going to that sheriff to get to
get your gun purchasing permit, so that those two things
line up. Maybe a background investigation in there can be
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used for both. But there's really there's there's no benefit
to this law that I see for lowering crime in Colorado.
There's certainly not any benefit to this law that I
see for protecting citizens. It's just bad, bad law. We
have a caller on the line. We'll get to you
as soon as we come back from break, and we'll
get to the rest of these texts as well. But
(34:30):
keep them coming in. I love having them. If you
can text in five seven seven three nine started with
Dan or three h three seven one three eight two
five five, load up the phones if you want. We'll
go to break, we'll come back. We'll get back to
more of the question and answer here on The Dan
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Welcome back to the Dan Capless Show. Here on a
Tuesday morning that fill our Tuesday afternoon that kind of
feels like a Monday. And if you are tuning in
and realize that this is not Dan Caplis, you would
be right. You're listening to Well Kundty Shriff Steve Reims
filling in again for Dan as he finishes his world
tour of wherever he's going. I don't know trial, prep, vacation,
combinations of those things. But you know, Dan deserves the
(00:37):
time off too, and if we can help provide that
a little bit, I'm happy to come down here and
share the airwaves and try to keep this thing on
the rails at least for a couple of days. So
I'll be with you today and tomorrow and then again
on Friday. I think Christy Burton Brown is going to
be in on Thursday, so you get a little bit
of a mix up during the week. But I'm sure
we'll try to keep it interesting and as always, i'd
(00:59):
like to have you guys pertinate in the show. So
before I even tell you kind of what we're going
to talk about, let's get that information out there. If
you want to text in, you can text Dan at
five seven, seven three nine. If you start your text
with Dan, I get it a lot easier. And then
if you want to call in three h three seven
one three eight two five five. But there were some
breaking news today regarding some gun issues or firearms issues
(01:21):
down in Colorado Springs. The Colorado State Shooting Association is
basically initiating a lawsuit against the state and it's it's
pretty groundbreaking. Actually. They've had some recent successes in the
neighboring state of New Mexico, where they were challenging the
seven day waiting period to buy a gun in that
particular state, which may ring a little bit of a
(01:42):
little bit of truth to you if you live here
in Colorado and you've tried to buy a firearm in
the last couple of years, because we have a three
day waiting period, which is complete nonsense, but that's what
Colorado does. Anyways, The Colorado State Shooting Association has again
filed that lawsuit against the state to try to push
back and say, hey, this most recent bill that you
(02:02):
have enacted through Senate Bill IREI we believe that to
be unconstitutional. And again with a little bit of win
to their sales, win in the back of their sales,
I guess from a preemptive wind down in New Mexico.
You know, it kind of gives them a little bit
of a leg to stand on here in the state
of Colorado. So for me, as a law enforcement guy,
I very much believe in people being armed and being
(02:23):
part of their own security and having rights to exercise
their Second Amendment and carry a weapon if they choose
to do so, buy a weapon for home protection. And
I really don't care what that weapon is. I just
want you to have some investment in, you know, taking
care of yourself, taking care of your family, and Colorado
just keeps making it more and more difficult. So anytime
there's an opportunity to kind of stick it in the
(02:45):
eye of the Democrats down at the state Capitol when
they're pushing through what I believe or unconstitutional gun laws,
you know, I think we owe it to ourselves. We
owe it to the people that are fighting the fight
to kind of say hey, thanks for what you're doing
and get a little more information see if we can
support them in some way. So we're going to do that.
After our first break, we're going to have the director
(03:07):
of operations. His name is Daniel Finlason. He's going to
be on with us from the Colorado State Shooting Association.
And again, yeah, they had a big press conference today
and I think they're taking they're taking the fight where
it needs to be. You know, they're going through the
court system, which we all know right now is a
little bit of a difficult battle, especially in Colorado. But
if the if the facts are on your side, then
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typically that that that helps you win. And again, getting
that recent win down and down in New Mexico is definitely,
you know, a feather in their caps, you know a
little bit of a little bit of win in the sales,
and I think it helps, you know, any like I said,
anytime we can get any kind of win in the
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state of Colorado and pushing back on some of these
Democrat policies, that's exactly what we want to do. And
in the hour two we're gonna have Laura Carno come
back on the show. It's my understanding she was on
with the Flora in the in the previous couple hours.
But we're going to take a little different path with
Laura Carno. She's known for her Faster Colorado program. She's
(04:09):
the executive director of that organization where they train up
teachers on how to protect schools and protect students and
protect themselves and the staff by being armed in school
in school buildings, which is, you know, such a novel concept.
She's you want to fight someone with a gun, you
probably want to bring a gun to the gunfight. So
we'll speak with her, but we're going to do it
on a little different pathway, kind of talking about how
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these latest bills have really impacted the efforts that her
group's trying to make, and you know, some of the
struggles that you that you deal with in the state
of Colorado when it comes to dealing with any kind
of firearm or purchasing a firearm. At this point, I mean,
it's it's a mess. But we'll break all that down
as we go, but kind of just you know, talking
(04:54):
some of the big headlines in the state of Colorado.
How about the idea that Space Force is moving to Alabama.
I mean, in the words of Forrest Gump, Alabama. I mean,
I don't know how much Space Force means to a
lot of you, but I think anytime something's leaving the
state of Colorado and going to another state, it's concerning,
(05:16):
especially when President Trump says, hey, it's because Colorado. And
these are my words, not his, but you can probably
hear him saying it. Basically, he believes Colorado's run by
a bunch of dem witz. He doesn't like our voting
policies here, he doesn't like the way that our secretary
of State and our governor conducts elections. And this is
kind of one of those things where he's saying, you know,
(05:38):
I don't want to invest any more time in the
state of Colorado, and we're not going to put one
of our newest assets. If you remember, he established Space Force,
and so if he wants to take it out of Colorado,
I think there's a little bit of personal motivation to
do so. So, yeah, a little bit of a sad day,
but I don't think I don't think there's any appealing
that it's going to go. In fact, it's probably already
(06:02):
packing up and leaving at this particular point. So, yeah,
Space Force is leaving Colorado. We got some terrible gun laws,
and uh, you know, we're going to figure out if
we can at least change that and turn the tide again.
If you want to call in, you can do so
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And some of you guys are already hitting the text line,
(06:24):
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I'll read them. Let's see here, here's a great one.
This is from Alexi. She says only four Dan Kapla
shows until the epic Broccoler Reims co hosting event. It
will either be epic or the end of the day's
Gaples show.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
She is so excited about this.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
You have to understand this.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I have to believe everyone is excited about that.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You know, I know Dan's not really much of a drinker,
but if he's going to listen to the show that night,
I'm going to assume he may become a drinker. Yeah,
you know, Brockler and I are were like step others.
And I know you don't watch the movie, Kelly.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
But I haven't seen it, Well, you're.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Gonna see it in studio on the ninth.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Price, we'll totally be able to witness it.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, it's gonna be it's gonna be something. I mean,
like I said, George and I are usually forced to
sit on opposite sides of the room if we're ever
at an event together, because we're those two kids that
would you know, get in trouble in class next to
each other. We have a good friendship. We joust back
and forth about some things we disagree on, but we
probably agree on way more than we ever disagree. But
(07:35):
the show will be fun. Well, I'm sure we'll play
off of each other. Well, or we'll end up having
a wrestling match in here and he'll lose and I'll
win and it'll be fun. So he knows that's what's
gonna happen. I mean, you can ask him, but I'm
sure he's quite certain of it. So we might have
to arm wrestle or something. Have you guys, Have you
guys commentate about it while.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
We're totally calling him right now, go ahead and see
if that's fine.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Get him on. I'm not afraid we'll deal with broc
clear anytime. But yeah, so on the ninth, we're going
to co host the show. We've been trying to convince
Dan that this was a good idea, and finally, in
some kind of weakness, he decided to let this happen,
and so we'll see where it goes. But today we're
going to talk guns. We'll talk about everything that you
(08:18):
want to talk about in the state of Colorado. If
you got questions about CCW laws, how Senate Bill three,
this new permitting to buy a gun process is going
to work again, text in, call in. I'm happy to
have the back and forth. I'll answer whatever questions that
I can for you, and hopefully when we have Daniel
on in the next segment, this lawsuit that he's filing,
(08:39):
I think it's going to be pretty educational all of us,
and we're going to see just how bad Senate Bill
three is and what it's going to look like to
get that thing tossed out. So we'll go to break,
we'll get Daniel on the line, and when we come back,
we'll break down this lawsuit that's bound to overturn Senate
Bill three, the really, really bad, most recent gun law.
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show here on six
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(09:00):
as your guest host. See in a few.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Ryan who is also out on vacation, so it's like
fill in time all around. But Zach's a very competent
board operator, and we still got Kelly here that is
going to keep us online, so we'll make sure that
we put the best show together that we know how,
as always, i'd love for you guys to text in
call in. You can text Dan at five seven seven
three nine or call into three zero three seven to
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one three eight two five five. And when we went
to break, I told you about a lawsuit that's been
filed by the Coloro State Shooting Association c SSA as
it's better known, kind of a branch of the NRA,
and we're going to have their executive or director of
operations on with us in just a second. His name
(09:53):
is Daniel Finnlssen. He's going to kind of break down
that lawsuit for us just a little bit and let
us know exactly what the what the plan is going
to be to turn over the state of Colorado and
try to reverse Senate Bill three. I think he's what
this on the line. Is that correct? All right? Daniel?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
How are you?
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I'm doing well. How are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It was good talking to you for just a little
bit the other day when you guys sent out the
press release. But you know, I guess kind of before
we get into the meat and potatoes of that, if Daniel,
if you could just kind of explain what your position
is with CSSA and kind of what your organization does,
and you know, kind of get the listeners a little
bit of an idea of how you guys operate.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Absolutely, so, as you mentioned, CSSA is the state Association
up the NRA for Colorado. We've been around for ninety
nine years. Wow, you'll next year will be our one
hundred year anniversary. And through that time, obviously we've looked
different and things have evolved and developed within an organization.
But at the heart of it, our job is to
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protect in advance and Second Amendment and our God given
gun rights in Colorado, and so through that I am
the director of operation. So pretty much anything that is,
you know, behind the scenes, helping to raise fund helping
to organize testimony, any of those activities is what I run.
I'm just gonna have the middleman between all of the
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leadership and our operations. And for this I means I
was able to go out and plaintiffs for our case,
make sure that we have the right people to pet
the right arguments in front of the judges. And that's
going to be very helpful for as we go to
court to be able to present instances where Center Bill
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three is going to severely limit someone's ability to protect
themselves or family properties and the freedom that we love
here in Colorado. You know, ultimately, the Second Amendment was
not passed for our hunting rights. Obviously we support our
hunting rights, but it wasn't a great deer uprising in
seventeen seventy six that the founders about right. It was
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in fighting off tyranny. And anytime that the government wants
sees an opportunity to take our louerties away and give
more control to the government, they're going to take that opportunity.
They did that with cin A Bill Free. Yeah, and
so when we lost that we wanted in the legislature
and in the governor's office, we knew we were going
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to take this to court.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well, so again, I think you did a good job
there of kind of outlining what your organization does. But
for the for the listener out there center, Bill three
is a pretty it's a pretty overarching bill that it
creates a bunch of barriers for anybody who wants to
go out and buy a gun, and that they now
have to go to a private entity and obtain a
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background check, and then they have to bring that background
check to their local sheriff or a sheriff in the state.
The sheriff has to review that data and say, yeah,
your background's fine for you to now go take a class,
and then once you take that class, that class in
a you to maybe go buy a weapon that now
triggers the three day waiting period and so on and
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so forth. Did I cover that pretty well? I mean,
is that the way you read the bill?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
And one part that it makes me really nervous with
this bill is it creates a fact a registry of
potential gun owners because as a sheriff, once you get
someone in that training card, you upload them into a
database that firearm trainers will check to make sure that
car wrenches up with the person who provides the background check. Well,
so now you have a database of people who are
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seeking to purchase a semi automatic weapon that's accessible by
every law enforcement and all law enforcement in the state,
every trainer who certified to get these trainings in the state,
and every FFL here in the state. And so it's
not like it's a private list or a government held list.
It's going to be held by thousands and thousands of
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people across this state. And so there's a huge privacy
concern that we also see with this bill.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, and it's supposed to be administered by the Colorado
Parks and Wildlife Group, which is such an odd fit because,
like you said, there wasn't a deer uprising that America
was founded on. But having said all that, I will
tell you as a sheriff, I've gotten plenty of people saying, hey,
why don't you just not enforce this, Why don't you
just ignore it? You know, And I've earned a reputation
(14:17):
for there being certain bills that I say I'm just
not going to do it, red Flag being one. So
you know, there's a question about, well, why don't the
sheriffs just say we're not going to do it. The
problem is that puts the sheriff creating the barrier where
someone can't and go take the class to then go
purchase the weapon. And that's the way that this thing
was constructed, and it was done so by the Democrats
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specifically in my mind, to put the sheriffs in the
middle of this mess and try to silence us. They
don't really want us pushing back against the legislation that
they have down there, especially as it pertains the gun rights.
I don't know if you have an opinion on that,
but that's my take as a sheriff.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Yeah, and I think that's exactly right. I mean, they
wanted to build this in a way that if those
that are respecting the Constitution don't enforce it, you're actually
punishing the everyday gun owner, the everyday citizen who wants
to become a gun owner. It's not actually going to
go back onto the government. They designed this very well
in order to do that. And the reason they put
it in card on Parks and Wildlife is that no
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other law enforcement agency wanted it. You know, the Sheriff
Association came out against this bill. The CBI is completely
backed up and not able to run this. They've already
attached so many responsibilities to Department of Revenue that they
now have a FFL division within the Department of Revenue.
And so they're running out of places to shove all
(15:39):
of these gun controlled legislation pieces, and they just picked
the car out of parks and wildlife, which what that
effect is going to have is that gun owners are
going to start to lose trust and faith in car
out of parks and wildlife. And the relationship between hunters
and car parks and wildlife is so important, but that
trust is going to.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Be lost because now you have of that organization enforcing
the strictest gun control this state has ever seen without
any additional resources to be able to do so.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, So, Daniel, I know that your organization, I guess
your brother sister organization down in New Mexico just got
a win of sorts pushing back on I'm going to
say a similar law a seven day waiting period down
in New Mexico, and I think that's kind of put
you guys in the in the seat to say, hey,
we beat New Mexico. The law that Colorado just passed
(16:31):
is even worse. Is that kind of where is that
kind of where the energy is coming for this this
particular lawsuit against the state.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Well, certainly it was a big shot on the arm
to see our our sister organization in the n RA
down in New Mexico be able to win that lawsuit,
especially in our circuit court that we have here in
Colorado as we share that with Mexico.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, daniel hold on just a second, we're going to
take a hard break. Stay on that. Stay on that thought.
When we come back from break, we'll go into that
lawsuit exactly what that wind means and how it's going
to how it's going to apply to this Colorado lawsuit.
Stick with us through the break. This is great information.
We've got Danielle Finlisson on the line from CSSA. We'll
(17:13):
be right back in just a few minutes here on
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Now you're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And when we went to break, we were talking with
Daniel Finnlssen with the he's the director of operations for
the Colorado State Shooting Association. He was gracious enough to
stay with us through the break because we've got a
lot more We got a lot more conversation to have
here about exactly what his organization is doing. So, Daniel,
when we went to break, you were talking about the
lawsuit that just happened down in New Mexico and how
(18:22):
that kind of put the wind to your sales, if
you will, for what you announced in the state of
Colorado this morning. But can you kind of let the
listeners know about that win that happened in New Mexico
and why it means.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
So much here absolutely so with that circuit court that
againting fall out of shares with New Mexico, We've not
always seen great rulings come out on second bedment cases
from that circuit court, and so to see that win
come out on against a seven day waiting period. What
we saw is two major shifts. One is a good
solid win coming out of our circuit, but the second
(18:55):
is in that decision, they talked about how there's a
right to acquire firearms, and that was one of the
things that has been debated within this circuit is sure,
you have the right to keep a bear arms, but
do you have the right to acquire Now, you and
I are the same page, and of course you have
to acquire them to be able to keep them bear them,
but the circuit down there was saying that no, you
don't have a right to acquire it. And this has
(19:17):
changed with this ruling, which really gave us a good
shot in the arm as we were going forward with
this lawsuit, and to double that shot in the arm our.
Law firm that we brought on for this Nount State
Legal Foundation is the same law firm that won that
case down in New Mexico. So it's the same warriors
that are working on this and they're able to bring
that same expertise of how to work with this circuit,
(19:40):
how to advance our plaintiff's stories as they are legitimate
cases of where their secondment rights are going to be
infringed by waiting months to be able to get their
firearms through the permit purchase scheme that sent a Bill
three put forward, and on top of that all of
the fees and you touched on some of those earlier
(20:00):
that will be associated with just being able to get
to purchasing a firearm, much less actually being able to
utilize that firearm.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
So we kind of walked through the steps that sent
it Bill three creates. I want to outline those again
one more time for the listeners. So if someone wants
to buy a gun beginning August first of twenty twenty six,
and it's virtually every gun in the state of Colorado
that is semi automatic in nature, and we can debate
that you know about which guns it actually applies to,
but my interpretation is pretty much anything semi automatic. That
(20:28):
being said, correct, if you want to buy a gun,
you're going to have to go down to a private entity,
pay for a background check, and then you're gonna have
to bring that background check to a sheriff. A sheriff
is going to review that background check and say, yeah,
you're authorized to own a weapon, or you have a
clean enough background to go buy a weapon. But instead
(20:49):
of going and buying a weapon, you've got to go
take a class first, and once you take that class
again from some other private entity, then you can go
to the gun store and once you've checked all those boxes,
you can potentially bioweapon and then start the process that
is outlined under Senate bill our House Bill twenty three
twelve nineteen, which means you can go buy the gun,
(21:09):
but you're going to wait three days before you can
pick it up. I hope that bill is being rolled
into the lawsuit as well. But you guys are challenging
Senate Bill three, which outlines all those ridiculous steps for
someone to go through in the state of Colorado beginning
August one of twenty twenty six, and you're doing so
ahead of time with a pretty important win at your
back from the state of New Mexico. When does this
(21:32):
lawsuit hits? I mean, I know you guys had your
press conference today. Give us the details of what went
on in that press conference.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Absolutely so, that lawsuit landed today this morning. We filed
it in court today and so it is live and
it is starting to work its way through the local process.
How long it's going to take. There's so many different
variables to see that, but we wanted to get out
in front of the same challenge. It now work through
the court systems with eleven months before this bill goes
(21:58):
into effect, and that has that will allow us to
hopefully be able to fight this bill sufficiently by the
time that this goes into place, but we should be
ready that we might have to endure living under this
regime for a short period of time where we can
take you to fight this in the courts, because as
we all know, the courts are not quick to respond
answer these questions and so but we're obviously gonna be
(22:21):
pushing as hard as we can to move this ball along.
In the press conference today, what we saw were sheriffs,
elected officials, other Second Amendment advocates, myself as a school
shooting survivor, our leadership team, and some of our plaintiffs
that were there, all standing and saying one voice, this
bill has gone way too far. There was an even
(22:43):
proper debate on this bill. They changed the bill dramatically
at one in the morning before they shot up through
the Senate that this bill is not only illogical, it
is so unconstitutional in so many different ways. We make
all those different arguments within our lawsuit from the waving
period that you touched on, But I'll to the financial costs.
This bill will price out so many colorado Ins for
(23:04):
being able to protect themselves at the same time that
we're seeing high rates of crime coming into the state.
And you and I share it. Both know these laws
do nothing to stock criminals. All they do is stop
law abiding gun owners from being able to purchase and
protect firearms to protect themselves, their family, and their freedom.
And so this bill is never about protecting Colorado ins
(23:27):
or reducing gun violence. In fact, we've seen that inverse
happen that where there is stricter gun control, we see
higher rates of violent crime with firearms because criminals know
it is less likely they're going to run into a
good guy with a gun. The school shooting I servive
happened at a gun free zone in Seattle, so in
one of the most gun restrictive cities, one of the
most gun restrictive state in the country, and none of
(23:50):
those laws stopped that shooter from coming to my school.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
So I'm a survivor of a school shooter from nineteen
ninety two as well, And I got to tell you
the impression that that left on me. I'm assuming you
may share the same thing, But I knew at that
point I never wanted to be in a situation where
I could not protect myself equally to the violence that
was being perpetrated. And I was only a seventeen year
old kid, but I knew at the point where I
(24:14):
could carry a gun and protect myself, I very much
wanted to have the right to do that. And based
on what you're doing, I have to assume you kind
of made that same leap. Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Absolutely? I grew up in a conservative home and around
firearms when I went to Seattle, and after I experienced
that school shooting, I sat down and looked at both
sides of the argument, just completely objectively, and I saw
that there was really only one solution, being responsible for
my own safety. And part of that means being able
to be trained and protect myself and my family with firearms,
(24:46):
with other tools, and you know, learning self awareness and
learning to be aware of the situation around me and
all the other parts that go into that. But I
had to take my own responsibility into my own hands,
and part of that was becoming a much stronger advocate
for the Second Amendment, and I saw that gun laws
were just so ineffectual and they had no real impact
(25:09):
on stopping criminals from committing violence. You know, one of
the lines that Peddie Collins who's our vice president of
industry affairs said today during a press conference where it
was someone who's dead, said, on committing murder or another
violent crime, will not even bleak at another gun law
that they're going to be breaking in the process. That's
the absolute truth, right, And if we're not already arresting
(25:32):
these people and you know, cleaning up our streets and
enforcing the laws that gets violent crime, now, just having
another long books isn't going to change anything. All it's
going to do is affect gun owners like me and
like you and like others for being able to protect
themselves and their properties and their families at a time,
like I said, that we're experiencing this high rate of
crime here.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
That's what.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
That's what this bill does, is it just goes after
the law abiding citizens. And it's so comical even to
see Governor poll Us go up and talk about how
he wants to stand up for rual Colorado and be
tough on crime, and he's a libertarian when he signs
a bill that is so authoritarian and tyrannical. Has sent
a bill three after he's been told that it's unconstitutional,
(26:17):
that there will be a legal challenge, and that this
will do nothing to actually have a positive impact on
crime or on mass shootings, and he's still sign it.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
He signed it anyways. Yeah, I mean, it's obviously unconstitutional
by so many measures. And again, the thing you hear
down at the state Capitol is, well, it's constitutional until
it's proven otherwise, when we sign it, it's constitutional. And
that's just such a bad way of making law. I
guess one last thing. We're up against a break here,
but I gotta I gotta squeeze this question in Daniel.
(26:48):
There's nothing in this bill that requires a fee to
be set that all sheriffs, that all these gun classes
have to follow. That fee schedule can kind of be
determined by whoever is offering the serve, so the sheriff,
the person teaching the class, the person doing the background,
the private insit doing the background. So when you're talking
about how these prices could get pretty exhorbitant, I think
(27:10):
that's an obvious thing that anyone can see. But it
also puts so much power in the hands of a
sheriff who may or may not be very protective of
your Second Amendment rights. In Wild County, you're going to
be fine. But in other parts of the state, who knows.
And that's a huge problem in this bill. I know
that you guys are going to attack that. I believe
that you're going to but I would also ask you
(27:31):
throw in House Bill twenty three, twelve nineteen. That three
day waiting period is just one more nail in the
coffin as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Absolutely, yeah, we have this is an exaggerating number. We
have seventeen lawsuits that we're exploring right now, but all
of those take resources, sure, and so if people want
to explore about how to join us in this fight,
we're all volunteer fourth. So every dollar goes to the
fight and go to see us at day dot org.
They can going to be a member there. We give
away a gun of month to a member. And then
on September twentieth and twenty first, we're having our Shots
(28:00):
for Freedom event down in Colorado Springs. Everything from bb
gun ranges run by our shaff down here, share roiball
and a machine gun shoot as well. And we're bringing
in Congressman Hageman from Wyoming who beat Liz Cheney and
used to be a Second Amendment lawyer before she became
a congresswoman as our main speaker. And like I said,
every dollar from those things goes straight to the fight
and straight to us launching more lawsuits, and that is
(28:21):
one of the bills that we were looking at, launching
lawsuits on.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Okay, great, Daniel, thanks for being on with us again.
Daniel Finn listen from the director of operations for Colorado
State Shooting Association. Very informative. We've got a bunch of
questions that are coming in. We'll get to those after
we take this break, but Daniel, just thank you for
your time and we'll have you back on as soon
as we can.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
You're listening to Dan Caples Show here on six point
thirty k hell with well Kenny Shriff Steve Riams as
your guest. We're going to hit a quick break and
we'll be right back.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
The show here with well Kenny Shriff, Steve Riams as
your guest host. When we went to break, we were
talking with Daniel Finlinson from CSSA, the Colorado Shooting I'm sorry,
Colorado State Shooting Association, and we've been talking a little
bit about guns the right to possess them, and I
just want to read this a well regulated militia being
necessary to the security of a free state, the right
(29:20):
of the people to keep the bear arms shall not
be infringed. If you were listening in the last segment
and we broke down what Senate Bill three requires of
someone who wants to purchase a firearm shall not be infringed,
it seems to have been trampled all over with that
bill and so many others in the state of Colorado.
So CSSA has filed a lawsuit against the state and said, hey,
we're going to battle this out on Senate Bill three
(29:42):
and stand up for the citizens in the state of
Colorado who want to possess a firearm. And I think
they're on really good ground. When this bill was written,
myself and many others went down to the state Capitol
and said, what are you doing. This is blatantly unconstitutional,
and of course themocrats down there said prove it. So
we're going to see We're gonna we're gonna have a
(30:04):
chance to prove it. But I asked you guys to
call in and text in with questions or comments about
this topic. You've definitely sent it in some questions. You
can text in it Dan five seven seven three nine,
or you can call in at three oh three seven
one three eight two five five. And having said that,
we have a caller on the line from Littleton, I
don't know if this is Lewis or Lewis on this name.
(30:25):
The spelling of this name always trips me up, but.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yes, Lewis.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
All right, Lewis, How you doing and thanks for holding
for so long.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
I'm doing fine, sirup, and you're doing a great job.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Look what I uh, What if I don't want to
buy a semi automatic and I want to buy a
revolver or am I still going to be affected by
these new laws?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
No, that's an interesting question, and it's a great question.
If you want to buy a pump action shotgun, if
you want to buy a revolver, none of this stuff
applies because apparently those guns are far less dangerous in
the eyes of the Democrat that's been a semi automatic.
So you can still go down to the You can
still go down to the gun store and buy one.
You don't have to take a class, but you will
(31:06):
have to wait three days to get it.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Fantastic. Thank you, you bet.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Thanks for holding for all that time, Lewis, and call
in again. We love having you on. As soon as
I heard your voice, I'm like, oh, I know who
this guy is. But thanks again for calling.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
We'll do all right.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
We'll get to a few of these other questions that
you guys have texted in and again keep them coming.
Five seven seventy three nine started out with Dan so
that it gets to me this one here. It's a
very relevant question, Sheriff. What prevents a Colorado resident from
going to a neighboring state buying a firearm and bringing
it back to Colorado. I'm guessing nothing, and you would
be right. It says just sending business elsewhere. But I'm
(31:42):
sure that's the intended side effect, you know. Honestly, I
think the intended side effect or the intended effect of
this bill was just to make gun ownership as burdensome
as possible, and if you go to another state to
buy one, you know, so be it. I don't think
the democrats went that far. I will tell you that oftentimes,
if you're going to go to a neighboring state to
(32:03):
buy a weapon, oftentimes you're limited to a long rifle.
Sometimes those neighboring states you have to have you have
to live in the state in order to buy a handgun.
And that's just that's state by state. I don't know
all the neighboring state laws, but I can tell you,
for Wyoming, if you want to buy a long gun,
you can go up to Wyoming and do so, but
not necessarily a handgun. Here's another one. As a Colorado
(32:25):
native of sixty plus years, I hunted here for thirty years,
left every second of it. But I haven't hunted in
my own home state in over ten years. The leftist,
slow steady tightening of regulations convinced me years ago that
they didn't want me. So I moved my hunting and
my money elsewhere. And there are so many people that
are doing that very thing. I mean, Colorado is choking
(32:46):
itself out in an attempt to get rid of guns.
And you know, you could make the argument that if
you could uninvent guns, maybe we wouldn't have gun in violence.
Well that might be true, but that ship has sailed,
and so if bad guys have access to guns, then
I certainly want good guys to have better access to them.
And the funny thing is you guys follow the laws
(33:07):
in order to exercise your second moment rights. I guess
that's not funny, it's just expected. Here's another one, Sheriff,
if you already own a semi automatic weapon and have
a concealed carry consil carry permit, does the new law
prevent you from purchasing more guns without having to go
through the training. Absolutely it does, so you have to
look at concealed weapon training. And this new Senate Bill
(33:28):
III semi automatic Purchasing Program is completely different things that
do not have a cross section. So if you want
to have a CCW, you still got to go through
all the mess that is that now. But if you
want to own a semi automatic firearm, your CCW does
nothing for helping you go around that process. You will
still have to go get a background, you will still
(33:48):
have to go You'll still have to go to the
sheriff and get approved, You'll still have to take a class.
The only thing that might be sped up is if
you coordinate the application of your CCW on the same
day that you're going to that sheriff to get to
get your gun purchasing permit, so that those two things
line up. Maybe a background investigation in there can be
(34:09):
used for both. But there's really there's there's no benefit
to this law that I see for lowering crime in Colorado.
There's certainly not any benefit to this law that I
see for protecting citizens. It's just bad, bad law. We
have a caller on the line. We'll get to you
as soon as we come back from break, and we'll
get to the rest of these texts as well. But
(34:30):
keep them coming in. I love having them. If you
can text in five seven seven three nine started with
Dan or three h three seven one three eight two
five five, load up the phones if you want. We'll
go to break, we'll come back. We'll get back to
more of the question and answer here on The Dan
Caflis Show with Low Tuny Sheriff Steve Reams as your
guest host.
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