September 3, 2025 • 31 mins
In the second hour of today's edition of the show, Sheriff Steve Reams is joined by Sherrie Pief to discuss the latest real-world example of Colorado Democrats attempting to skirt the TABOR rules.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Obviously, Dan's out of out of pocket for a little while.
He's out doing some trial prep and taking a little
bit of time off getting ready for some big stuff
out there. So you got a few guest hosts that'll
be in for next couple of days. You got Christy
Burton Brown tomorrow. I'll be back with you on Friday,
and then next week there'll be several different guests. But
(00:36):
I really want to talk about that. George Brockler and
I will be guests hosting on Tuesday, the night that
might be one to pop some popcorn, Pop some popcorn.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I have a few beers.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, I get ready for the show to get canceled.
Who knows Kelly's right, God help us.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
There will be alcohol.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's probably from everybody at the station. It's going to
be a man but it's going to be a fun mess,
beautiful mess. Whatever. George and I are. We have a
great relationship. We've jousted with each other many times over
political issues through the years. Mostly we agree on things,
he's only wrong on a few. So with that being said,
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we've been talking today about would you like to welcome
Donald Trump and federal officers into Colorado? Do you think
that's a great idea? How about cleaning up Denver and Aurora?
You know, why go to Chicago first? Why not make
this the place he's talked about Baltimore, LA. Of course, Chicago.
Let's add Denver to the list. You know, by all accounts,
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especially based on the text messages coming in, you guys
agree with that. So you can text in five seven
seven three nine, start your text with Dan, and always
you can call in three o three seven one three
eight two five five. Having said that, we have Paul
in Denver who's been on hold for just a little bit.
He wanted to respond to the call from up in
Fort Collins. Paul, how you doing good?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Good afternoon? A couple of things, So I'll start off
with the taxicab driver there. So, anybody who has a
concealed carry permit should not have to worry legally about
carrying concealed in their car. It's no different from their home,
it's a highly defensible space and it's totally legal. There's
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no state that can outlaw both open carry and concealed
It's got to be one or the other or both.
Colorado is an open carry state, and then there are
waivers from the state ranks like Denver that you can't
open carry but anywhere else. And there's certain details you
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have to pay attention to for open carrying, like parks
and things of that nature. But when I say parks,
state and national parks. But as hard as it turns
a concealed carry, if you have a concealed carry permit,
you could absolutely carry as much you want in your vehicle.
Now I don't know what the rules are. You know,
if you have a business that says no, and I
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mean I just wouldn't work for that business. As the
bottom line. Now, Base is a little canister of base
I carry in my car. I have a bear spray
in my door pocket, and I carry on my pocket
a can of mace as well as concealed carry. And
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in terms of the the pepper spray my gun, I
wouldn't advise it to anyone way, Oh god no, because
if you pull that out, I don't care what color
it is, or anything else.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
That out.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Someone could mistake that for a real gun, just like
kids pointing out a gun, and the other person can
fear for their lives and legitimately, and we defend themselves
against what they perceive reasonably proceed to be a lethal
thread against them. They you're legally able to be wrong
in your perception. But so I wouldn't advise it. If
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you need to use lethal, go use lethal. If you
want to do something, I advise everybody to have something
less lethal on them. It might be hand to hand,
it might be in mace, it might be some fast legs.
Don't you know that. I don't take the decisions for them.
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So that's the deal with the car. In terms of
some of the new gun laws, first of all, in
terms of renewal, let me say this. The last time
I renewed, I started the process probably about three months
before this thing was to take our money for renewal.
And but they don't have people actively on their to
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process it, you know as well, Yeah I do.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
CBI is extremely slow in turning those things around.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Oh I don't not when you go into a gun store,
not at all.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Oh yeah, you're talking about the insta check. Yeah, no,
those those are pretty quick.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, it doesn't take long. Even when I was calling
to find out what was going on, she said, well,
I just got a big stack.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
They not.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
You know, when I renewed, nothing had changed for me
for well over a decade, twenty years whatever it was,
since I had my permit initially, where I lived, my
criminal history nothing changed, so the background check would have
been virtually as contaneous. They just you know, ping a
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database and it comes back from CBI. So what the
problem is that they only had like one person in
the state doing this, and you know, on occasion they
get in a chair and start processing it. So the
problem was that even though I started three months my
permit expires, I had to run around with if I
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wanted to stay legal without carrying at all, not have
any fight, it had any protection on me until another
few weeks later it finally came through. So that was very,
very concerning.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Paul, You've had some great comments. We've got a bunch
of callers. I'd love to keep you on for longer,
but I want to make sure we get to everybody
and be respectful of their time.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Thank you, great good one.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Thanks for being on here. The only thing I would
challenge a little bit is Paul's comments about being able
to carry wherever you want in your car. That may
be true, but it may also be a problem for
you if you go into the wrong jurisdiction. Now, how
they would enforce it, I don't know. But the patchwork
of gun laws that have that are allowed in the
state of Colorado, it's not as clear as it once was.
(06:55):
We'll get to this next call. We got Kevin in
Weld County as commenting about the National Guard. Kevin, what
I have to say.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
I think that to get the federal troops in here
and clean up the mess like you've seen them do
in Los Angeles and now they're talking about Chicago, I
think is a good thing. Is long as the federal
government is acting constitutionally and they're they're they're moving to
to pick up illegal people, regardless of what illegal means.
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If they're illegal, breaking the law and acting constitutionally, I
think it's I think it's a good thing. I think
a lot of people on the left are screaming up
about a tyrannical federal government, and all I can do is.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Sit back and laugh and say, where have you been.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Yeah, so I just dealt with this for a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You know, as a as a resident of Weld County.
I mean, do you feel do you feel much differently
when you're in Weld County versus say you come down
here to the Denver metro area. I would assume that
your your desire for those federal troops are where crime
is worse in Colorado. But uh, that's my assumption, is
that is that your feeling.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Well, I've always gotten an attitude when I roll over
that hill and see the Denver skyline, I always I
don't like it down there. I feel much for your
in Well County.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah, yeah, I really appreciate the sheriff we have here.
I'm not sure if you're familiar with who that is.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, I know him pretty well, just a few times. Yeah.
You know, Well County is a unique place because it
doesn't represent what what you see on the news. It
doesn't represent what you hear here on the news, and
it doesn't represent the national picture that it gets. You know,
Well County is still a very conservative place, and the
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rule of law is still much in effect, and the
citizens are supportive of that. It's so amazing how that
hour drive changes everything.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Oh it does, it absolutely does well.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Kevin. It's because of guys like you that you know,
continue to support the rule of law that the Weld
County remains that bastion on the hill. So thanks for
calling in. We've got to take a hard break here.
But when we come back, we're gonna switch gears just
a little bit to talk about some stuff that's going
on in the city of Greeley in Weld County in
an attempt to build this new big development called Cascadia.
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We're gonna have Sherry Python with us right when we
come back from the break. But you're listening to the
Dan Capless Show here with Well County Sheriff Steve Reims
as your guest host.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
And now back to the Dan Kapless Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Guest on the line. But while we're doing that, covered
just a few of these techs that have come in.
We've been talking about whether it's legal to carry in Colorado.
And I'll get to this one before we bring Sherry
on this Textter says, I believe open kerry is legal
in many of our Colorado cities and towns. Am I correct?
And yes that is true most places in Colorado. You
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can still open carry now, whether it's you know, very
accepted by some members so the community in some areas
as compared to others. You know, that's a question. I'm
going to tell you. If you want to roll around
and carry your gun out and open in Weld County,
pretty much anywhere you go, you're going to be just fine.
That same reception will not be given to you in Boulder.
So that's kind of the goods and bads of Colorado
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and having to know the gun laws and the gun
perceptions of where you go. Again, there's a development that's
about to take place up in Northern Colorado and Greeley,
and the reason I want to talk about this is
because it has a bigger application. There's this financing process
that's being used in Greeley to go through this new development.
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And with us is going to be Sherry Pie from
Complete Colorado. She's been following the story. She's a Greeley
slash Evans resident and takes a lot of this stuff personal.
So with us on the line, Sherry, how are.
Speaker 8 (10:54):
You hey, I'm good, Steve, Thanks for having.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Me on you bet it's weird to be on the
opposite side.
Speaker 8 (11:00):
Oh personal, Yeah, it is kind of weird to be
on the opposite side normally I'm calling you talking to you.
That is a little strange, that is. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
So I know you have a lot of you know,
personal interest in this, not necessarily because you still live
in Greeley. I think you kind of split your time
a little bit. But you know, this whole development, if
you could just kind of spell it out to the listeners,
you know, it's a it's a big project. What does
this look like for residents of Well County the city
of Greeley. Just kind of spell it out for us?
Speaker 8 (11:31):
Yeah, you know, I will. I will start by saying
this project. You know, in all the years that I've
been either doing journalism or living in Greeley, or political
activism or whatever you want to call what I do,
this project has probably caused me more heartburn than anything prior,
I mean, in thirty years. So what it is is,
it's the one point one five billion dollar entertainment district.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
With a billion okay, yeah, billion.
Speaker 8 (11:59):
With a yeah B with a B. One point one
five billion dollars. It'll go in on the far far
west side of Greeley. A lot of people probably didn't
even realize that that land belonged to Greeley until this
project came up, but it sits almost to the Johnstown
or Windsor exits. It's right out off the County Road seventeen,
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probably about ten miles east of by twenty five. And
the land that it's going in on, most of it
has been owned by a developer that everybody in northern
Colorado has known for a very long time, in Martin Lynde.
Martin Lynne developed you know Water Valley. He's also developed
many places over in Greeley. Westlake Shopping Center was one
of the first places that Martin developed over in Greeley,
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before you know Pelican Lakes, rain Dance, all those wonderful
golf courses that everybody loves to golf. And then of
course the color At Eagles. And I don't know that
there's many people in Colorado but don't know who the
color At Eagles are. They're one of the most loved
sports teams in the state. And he was the one
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of the original founders and still owners of that team,
as well as the Budweiser Events Center I think now
it's called Blue Arena, and that whole shopping center over
there in Santia. So Martin is the developer on this
and he his leaf on the Blue Arena for the
Colordy Eagles is up in two or three years. And
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so he went to Laramer County to talk about making
some changes. And you know, that arena's been there a
while and the Eagles have more fans and they could
make a bigger arena and really wasn't moving very very
well over there. So Martin, who has always if there's
one thing I can say about Martin, Martin loves Weld County.
He's a Winsor homeboy. That's where he grew up. He
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has always done everything he can to help Weld County succeed.
So Martin went to the city of Greeley and started
talking to the city of Greeley about, Hey, you know what,
let's do this in Greeley. Greeley has been the wicked stepchild.
Greeley in Wild County have been the wicked stepchild when
it comes to development and things like this to Fort
Collins and Loveland and Larimer County. Forever, we've always been
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the one that misses out. You know, we missed out
on the on the Budweiser factory. We've missed out on
all kinds of things dating back decades. So we came
to Greeley a couple of years ago and they started
talking about it with the Greeley City Council, and they've
been you know, they've been talking about it for a
couple of years. Well, in the last few months it
really came to a hit. It came to a fruition.
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In order to build this, there has to be some
initial development fees. There has to be some infrastructure put
in place, there has to be some design taken care of.
There has to be a lot of stuff done that
in and of itself is going to cost one hundred
and fifteen million dollars just those initial phases of this,
of this entertainment center, which will include a new arena
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for the Colorad Eagles, two sheets of ice instead of one,
a water park that is going to cost over one
or two million dollars, I can't remember the exact cost,
but a massive water park, all kinds of another hotel
and convention center, bigger and better yet than the Embassy
suites that's already out there at Centera, all kinds of things,
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medical offices, restaurants, whatever. Well, Greeley doesn't just have Greely's
not Weld County. I mean, they're in Weld County, they're
the county seat, but they're not Weld County. When it
comes to money, Greeley hasn't really saved very well over
the years, okay, and they don't have one hundred and
fifteen million dollars that I want to make clear any
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city or any municipality or any government entity would put
up for this kind of a project, because that's kind
of their responsibility when this stuff comes from.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, you're investing in you're investing in the infrastructure so
that you can bring.
Speaker 8 (15:53):
Growth exactly exactly. But Greeley doesn't have that kind of
money laying around, you know. And unfortunately, and this is
where my heartburn comes in because I'm going to be
a little bit blunt, not that you've never not known
me to be blunt these but Greenley City Council hasn't
been what I would call the example of conservatism in
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Weld County over the past few years. Despite the fact
that they want to tout a five to two conservative majority,
those five conservatives have consistently voted to raise taxes, to
extend taxes, to spend more to build more to over
the last three to four years, five years, that it's unbelievable.
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So they devised a plan to finance this one hundred
and fifteen million dollars using something called certificates of participation.
And that's where my that's where my heartburn starts. My
heartburn is like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, so we only have like a minute before the break. Yeah,
so I don't want to get too far into this
certificates of participation. That's fine, but we'll do that after
the break. But let's outline exactly what that means, because
most people are going, what's a certificate of participation? Right
in like thirty seconds? Just kind of give the the
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you know, the gravity of what does this this funding
mechanism look like.
Speaker 8 (17:14):
It looks like the City of Greeley is going to
borrow one hundred and fifteen million dollars from a bank
without going to taxpayers the way the taxpayer Bill of
Rights requires. Okay, so that's where we go on around table.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, that's where we get into a little bit of trouble.
All right. When we get back from break, we'll kind
of dive into that a little more and discuss where
this heartburn is coming from anytime you mentioned Tabor that
that's the tipping point. If you're listening to the Dan
Capless Show here with six where Steve reams six thirty k.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
Out, you're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
It's big new development that's coming into the city of
Greeley with a little bit of struggle. It's the Cascadia Project.
And with us on the line is Sherry Pie from
Complete Colorado, a well known investigative journalist that has been
digging into this situation a little bit. And when we
were heading to break, we were talking about this financing
process or some would call it a scheme known as
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certificates of Participation. And while we were at break, we
got a text in it said certificates of participation are
the way local governments get around Tabor. So I'll lead
off with that. Sherry, you were explaining how this works.
Pick that back up.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
Yeah, and that's exactly what it is. And I think
that's how I finished it off too. It's in around
Tabor and basically because Taber says you can't raise taxes
or going to debt without going to voters, and you
can't go into long term leases. These allow you to
do that without going to voters. So you basically put
up some sort of capital project or capital building or
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something as collateral somebody else pays for pays for the
the loan, and then over the course of a series
of small term leases, which in most cases not in
this case, but in most cases are generally thirty year terms.
Every year you have, like one year, you have thirty
one year leases that you sign, and at the end
of those thirty one year leases, you get the deed
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to whatever property is you financed. Well, in this case,
they don't have any property to finance because the project
hasn't been built yet. So what they put up to
mortgage for these certificates of participation with forty other city
owned buildings that are paid for.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So what are these buildings consist of, you say, forty
forty plus buildings. What are we talking about.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
They mortgaged Greeley's only police station, They mortgaged three fire stations,
They mortgaged the Family Funplex, They mortgaged the ice house
in downtown Greeley. They mortgaged one of the city buildings.
They mortgaged the Rodarate Center, a lot of they mortgaged,
you know, most of their community. Now, to be fair,
it's not thirty years to pay off these particular certificates
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a participation. It's only about fifteen months because they'll get
paid off when the construction loan comes through on the
company that's already been contracted to build this project. That
company will then pant the certificate it's a mortgage, and
it'll fold into the construction loan. However, when the project
is done, it becomes the City of Greeley's and so
they then take over the loan the on the whole project,
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because as we all know, construction loans convert to a
normal loan, and that becomes Greeley's okay, and Greeley will
own all of those buildings, and they've already entered into
an agreement with Martin Lynn to lease the ice facility
I think for like twenty five or thirty years. Yeah,
so you know that's kind of how they're financing this
whole project.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
So, I mean, just to be fair, do you think
that you know, without this certificate of participation process, I
mean that seems to you know, to be the area
of most concern because it's not necessarily in pure alignment
with Tabor. From the way you've described it, do you
think the city of Greeley has the you know, has
the population, has the ability to make this project successful.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
I don't. I don't think the city of Greeley is
the target market, and I don't know that it should
be the target market. The Colorado Eagles draw people from
across the state of Colorado and even into southern Wyoming,
and so I don't think developers were even considering not
that they don't want the City of Greeley people out there,
but anytime, you know, even when Cinara was built and
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the hotel and convention center out there, the target market
there wasn't Loveland. The target market for this is you know,
all across up and down the Front Range right. No,
the City of Greeley people are not going to be
the ones that are going to make this project viable.
But this is where the heartburn comes in. Because as
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much as I hate the way they financed this, and
as much as I think Greeley residents really need to
look at who they elect in November, the project itself,
I do believe it's viable, Okay, but I don't. But
I don't believe it's going to be. I mean, it
was never targeted to the City of Greeley.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
This is more of a process issue, and you know,
who's who's left holding the bill that you're concerned about
necessarily of whether it's whether or not it's viable, right, correct.
Speaker 8 (22:18):
Because I mean, if you look at you know, I've
known Martin for almost thirty years, and if you look
at the projects that he's put in in the past,
nothing he's done has ever failed. And I don't I
don't expect this to fail. And I fully support the
project itself. And you know, I came out pretty hardcore
down against it in the very beginning. But from the beginning,
my opposition to it was the financing mechanism and the
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way it felt like the city council was sneaking behind
its voters backs. And the city manager in Greeley has
put oh god, he's another one that needs to go.
Raymond Lee has had some ideas for the City of
Greeley that has put so many new taxes and I
don't care what anybody says, they're new taxes. The phrase
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without raising taxes is garbage. You know, they've extended taxes,
they've increased taxes. They've everything you can think of. Raymond
has all these pie in the pie in the sky
ideas for a town that is has its hands in
so much. They you know, they're trying to redo US
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thirty four at thirty fifth Avenue, at forty seventh Avenue,
at sixty fifth Avenue, and down at eighth Avenue. They
have to redo all of those intersections. They want to
partner with Weld County to make the Greeley Airport a
regional airport similar to what is in Colorada Springs. So
they're getting involved in that. You know, now we've got
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out of all of them. Out of all the projects
that's Greeley's doing, I would say I trust the Cascadia
project the most. I do believe it's viable, but God
Steve Man, the way they financed.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
It, they just seems like there's a lot of risk there.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Well, and I want to cover I want to cover
one other thing, because there was there was a citizen's
initiative group that went out and gathered petitions and said
we're going to challenge whether or not the city can
enter into this agreement. I know they submitted these petitions
to a city appointed judge and over the weekend, this
judge said, now, this is an administrative issue, not a
legislative issue, so your petition is essentially invalid. So when
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the citizens tried to push back against what the city
council is doing, basically they got nowhere is what I'm understanding.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
True, and it's my understanding that they have now filed
an appeal in Well District Court and we'll see where
that goes. Again. Another almost to me, I agree it
was an administrative I tend to agree with the judge
on this. I tend to agree that it was an
administrative issue. That being said, the judge was appointed by
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the city Council the night before the petitions were turned
in with a very narrow ability to oversee things. And
the only thing that this hearing officer was appointed to
oversee was this. They hadn't even turned in the petitions yet,
and the Greeley City Council was already appointing somebody that
they knew, somebody that they had worked with before, somebody
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that to oversee a possible challenge. So again, backdoor things
that the City of Greeley is due, the city council
is doing. Just to be honest with your citizens and
your voters and tell them up front, this is what
you know. I'm going to say this again. The project
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is viable. I really do believe the project is viable.
I support the project. And at this point, the City
of Greeley has already spent somewhere I think in the
neighborhood of fifteen million dollars on this project. And at
this point, if this project doesn't go through, guess what
we're going to be the step children to Larimer County again. Yes, Martin,
as much as I'm sitting here, I know, for you know,
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in my heart of hearts, I know he's going to
turn around. He's going to put it on the other
side of Highway thirty four. It's going to go into Johnstown.
Johnstown's going to reap all those rewards. And then guess
what that does to the city of Green It hurts
them even more, kills us even it hurts him even more.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
So she got to we got to go to a break.
But I want to just a real quick question. If
this thing does go to if this thing were to
go to the voters, do you believe the voters in
the City of Greeley pass it.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
I think I think if people actually listen to listen
to the project and pay attention to what it's doing,
and they actually come out to vote, yes, I do
believe they pass it. Okay, I were, and I think
the education will be out there, and I have vowed,
I have vowed that if this thing does go to
the voters, I will be more than happy to sit
down and talk to anybody to make sure that they
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that they vote to make sure that this project goes through.
Because right at this point now, as as like I said,
is everything else. Aside from everything else and the side
of my heartburn, the City of Greeley residents really do
need to get behind this project and let bygones be
and move forward, because it's going to hurt us even
more if it doesn't. I mean, it really is.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Cherry. Thank you for your time, and I know you're
busy with Complete Colorado. We'll keep in touch. We'll see
how this project continues to develop. As a person who
lives in Weld County but not in the City of Greeley,
I'm watching from the sidelines. But you brought a lot
of education with all this, So thank you for your time.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
Thanks Steve, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
All right, you're listening to Dan Capless Show here with
Well County Sheriff Steve Raims. Will take a break, come
back for our last segment, do a little bit of
cleanup and stick with us.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
Please, and now back to the Dan Tapless Show podcast Capless.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Show for the final segment here of in the first
two days of the week that I'm covering for Dan.
I'll be back on Friday. But you know that last
interview with Sherry Pie may not be local to some
of you talking about Greeley, but the certificates of participation
that's really been a thing that's been highlighted here recently.
In my understanding, the Denver School District is for using
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these certificates of participation of finance new projects and doing
so pretty aggressively. Lot of a lot of cities and
counties are using these. I guess end rounds to TABOR
may not be may not be completely what the intent
of TABOR. You know, they may be working around what
the the intent of TABOR was. I'm not saying it's illegal,
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but there's definitely been some some folks trying to question
these these financing schemes known as certificates of participation several
of you listened up in the Greeley area. Some texts
coming in here. Corruption starts at the city council and
then is mister Lynn putting up any dollars on this project?
And my answer to that is, I don't know for sure.
I would assume as a developer he's got some skin
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in the game, but it sounds like some of the
beef is that the city of Greeley has most of
the skin in the game. A little bit of a
fun text here says, hey, sheriff, what is your favorite pistol? Well,
that's a trick question because I like a bunch of them,
but my favorite one to shoot. I have a stainless
Steel and Wesson forty four magnum with a six inch barrel,
and that thing is just a hoot. But for every
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day Carrie, I typically carry a Smith and Wesson MMP.
Military and police, I carry a nine millimeters because I
can carry more rounds. But I love glocks. I'm kind
of just a gun guy as long as they don't
screw up and misfire and have problems. Those of you
that are gun guys, sig P three twenty not on
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my list.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
But what's the four magnum.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
That's the dirty Harry, that's the dirty hairy gun.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah, are you feeling lucky?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Are you feeling lucky? Punk all? Are you? You know
you have to say that at least once every time
you shoot it, because that's just what it's all about.
Good good reference though, Kelly, and you know, typically you're
not our movie buff on a lot of this stuff,
but that one was. That's right out of the hip pocket.
I got a text here from Alexa that I got
to read because this might have to be a theme
for our September ninth showdown with me and George Brockoler. Lord,
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this one's great. It says, in a battle, whether it's wrestling, firearms,
rock and SoC and robots, et cetera, between Lauren Bobert
and George Brockler, you and I know who would win.
And I think alexis picking Lauren on that one. So
we're talking George not being a very tough guy. You know,
maybe he's maybe he's good in the courtroom, but not
very not very tough physically.
Speaker 9 (30:19):
Actually, Friday, I'm going to try to get him on
so that you and she can discuss arm wrestling.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
So that's very I can't that.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I am looking forward to that one, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Totally buried the lead. And we only have a one minute.
Speaker 9 (30:36):
So I'm going to say this, congratulations to your cat
who yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Yeah, I have.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
We have some barn cats at my house and one
of them, one of our cats, had four kittens, and
I think Kelly wants one.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I do.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
We're gonna We're going to see how that happens. But
more importantly, Ryan, who is in Florida right.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Now, huh.
Speaker 9 (30:57):
I texted him, you can of two because you had four, right, you.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Can have as many as you want. Well, actually I
had a couple of them, maybe reserves.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Ane thing I emailed him was.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
You can name them Tiger and Lion or iSER Men
and Piston. But then I said, depends on how hot
the cat would be to be named.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Iserman.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
You know, you're kind of all over the place, But look,
we're going to walk down the parking lot and see
if your husband's okay with me bringing you a couple
of cats. I have a feeling you're I have a
feeling you're about to get rejected. But it is what
it is. Hey, it's been fun for the last two days.
I look forward to being back with you on Friday.
You'll have Christy Burton Brown tomorrow. Thanks for sticking with me,
Thanks for all the text thanks for the phone calls.
It's been a great time. I'll see you on Friday.
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This is Sheriff Rains filling in for Dan Kaplis on
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Obviously, Dan's out of out of pocket for a little while.
He's out doing some trial prep and taking a little
bit of time off getting ready for some big stuff
out there. So you got a few guest hosts that'll
be in for next couple of days. You got Christy
Burton Brown tomorrow. I'll be back with you on Friday,
and then next week there'll be several different guests. But
(00:36):
I really want to talk about that. George Brockler and
I will be guests hosting on Tuesday, the night that
might be one to pop some popcorn, Pop some popcorn.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I have a few beers.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, I get ready for the show to get canceled.
Who knows Kelly's right, God help us.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
There will be alcohol.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's probably from everybody at the station. It's going to
be a man but it's going to be a fun mess,
beautiful mess. Whatever. George and I are. We have a
great relationship. We've jousted with each other many times over
political issues through the years. Mostly we agree on things,
he's only wrong on a few. So with that being said,
(01:17):
we've been talking today about would you like to welcome
Donald Trump and federal officers into Colorado? Do you think
that's a great idea? How about cleaning up Denver and Aurora?
You know, why go to Chicago first? Why not make
this the place he's talked about Baltimore, LA. Of course, Chicago.
Let's add Denver to the list. You know, by all accounts,
(01:38):
especially based on the text messages coming in, you guys
agree with that. So you can text in five seven
seven three nine, start your text with Dan, and always
you can call in three o three seven one three
eight two five five. Having said that, we have Paul
in Denver who's been on hold for just a little bit.
He wanted to respond to the call from up in
Fort Collins. Paul, how you doing good?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Good afternoon? A couple of things, So I'll start off
with the taxicab driver there. So, anybody who has a
concealed carry permit should not have to worry legally about
carrying concealed in their car. It's no different from their home,
it's a highly defensible space and it's totally legal. There's
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no state that can outlaw both open carry and concealed
It's got to be one or the other or both.
Colorado is an open carry state, and then there are
waivers from the state ranks like Denver that you can't
open carry but anywhere else. And there's certain details you
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have to pay attention to for open carrying, like parks
and things of that nature. But when I say parks,
state and national parks. But as hard as it turns
a concealed carry, if you have a concealed carry permit,
you could absolutely carry as much you want in your vehicle.
Now I don't know what the rules are. You know,
if you have a business that says no, and I
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mean I just wouldn't work for that business. As the
bottom line. Now, Base is a little canister of base
I carry in my car. I have a bear spray
in my door pocket, and I carry on my pocket
a can of mace as well as concealed carry. And
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in terms of the the pepper spray my gun, I
wouldn't advise it to anyone way, Oh god no, because
if you pull that out, I don't care what color
it is, or anything else.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
That out.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Someone could mistake that for a real gun, just like
kids pointing out a gun, and the other person can
fear for their lives and legitimately, and we defend themselves
against what they perceive reasonably proceed to be a lethal
thread against them. They you're legally able to be wrong
in your perception. But so I wouldn't advise it. If
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you need to use lethal, go use lethal. If you
want to do something, I advise everybody to have something
less lethal on them. It might be hand to hand,
it might be in mace, it might be some fast legs.
Don't you know that. I don't take the decisions for them.
(04:36):
So that's the deal with the car. In terms of
some of the new gun laws, first of all, in
terms of renewal, let me say this. The last time
I renewed, I started the process probably about three months
before this thing was to take our money for renewal.
And but they don't have people actively on their to
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process it, you know as well, Yeah I do.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
CBI is extremely slow in turning those things around.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Oh I don't not when you go into a gun store,
not at all.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Oh yeah, you're talking about the insta check. Yeah, no,
those those are pretty quick.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, it doesn't take long. Even when I was calling
to find out what was going on, she said, well,
I just got a big stack.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
They not.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
You know, when I renewed, nothing had changed for me
for well over a decade, twenty years whatever it was,
since I had my permit initially, where I lived, my
criminal history nothing changed, so the background check would have
been virtually as contaneous. They just you know, ping a
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database and it comes back from CBI. So what the
problem is that they only had like one person in
the state doing this, and you know, on occasion they
get in a chair and start processing it. So the
problem was that even though I started three months my
permit expires, I had to run around with if I
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wanted to stay legal without carrying at all, not have
any fight, it had any protection on me until another
few weeks later it finally came through. So that was very,
very concerning.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Paul, You've had some great comments. We've got a bunch
of callers. I'd love to keep you on for longer,
but I want to make sure we get to everybody
and be respectful of their time.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Thank you, great good one.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Thanks for being on here. The only thing I would
challenge a little bit is Paul's comments about being able
to carry wherever you want in your car. That may
be true, but it may also be a problem for
you if you go into the wrong jurisdiction. Now, how
they would enforce it, I don't know. But the patchwork
of gun laws that have that are allowed in the
state of Colorado, it's not as clear as it once was.
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We'll get to this next call. We got Kevin in
Weld County as commenting about the National Guard. Kevin, what
I have to say.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
I think that to get the federal troops in here
and clean up the mess like you've seen them do
in Los Angeles and now they're talking about Chicago, I
think is a good thing. Is long as the federal
government is acting constitutionally and they're they're they're moving to
to pick up illegal people, regardless of what illegal means.
(07:24):
If they're illegal, breaking the law and acting constitutionally, I
think it's I think it's a good thing. I think
a lot of people on the left are screaming up
about a tyrannical federal government, and all I can do is.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Sit back and laugh and say, where have you been.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Yeah, so I just dealt with this for a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You know, as a as a resident of Weld County.
I mean, do you feel do you feel much differently
when you're in Weld County versus say you come down
here to the Denver metro area. I would assume that
your your desire for those federal troops are where crime
is worse in Colorado. But uh, that's my assumption, is
that is that your feeling.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Well, I've always gotten an attitude when I roll over
that hill and see the Denver skyline, I always I
don't like it down there. I feel much for your
in Well County.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah, yeah, I really appreciate the sheriff we have here.
I'm not sure if you're familiar with who that is.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, I know him pretty well, just a few times. Yeah.
You know, Well County is a unique place because it
doesn't represent what what you see on the news. It
doesn't represent what you hear here on the news, and
it doesn't represent the national picture that it gets. You know,
Well County is still a very conservative place, and the
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rule of law is still much in effect, and the
citizens are supportive of that. It's so amazing how that
hour drive changes everything.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Oh it does, it absolutely does well.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Kevin. It's because of guys like you that you know,
continue to support the rule of law that the Weld
County remains that bastion on the hill. So thanks for
calling in. We've got to take a hard break here.
But when we come back, we're gonna switch gears just
a little bit to talk about some stuff that's going
on in the city of Greeley in Weld County in
an attempt to build this new big development called Cascadia.
(09:16):
We're gonna have Sherry Python with us right when we
come back from the break. But you're listening to the
Dan Capless Show here with Well County Sheriff Steve Reims
as your guest host.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
And now back to the Dan Kapless Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Guest on the line. But while we're doing that, covered
just a few of these techs that have come in.
We've been talking about whether it's legal to carry in Colorado.
And I'll get to this one before we bring Sherry
on this Textter says, I believe open kerry is legal
in many of our Colorado cities and towns. Am I correct?
And yes that is true most places in Colorado. You
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can still open carry now, whether it's you know, very
accepted by some members so the community in some areas
as compared to others. You know, that's a question. I'm
going to tell you. If you want to roll around
and carry your gun out and open in Weld County,
pretty much anywhere you go, you're going to be just fine.
That same reception will not be given to you in Boulder.
So that's kind of the goods and bads of Colorado
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and having to know the gun laws and the gun
perceptions of where you go. Again, there's a development that's
about to take place up in Northern Colorado and Greeley,
and the reason I want to talk about this is
because it has a bigger application. There's this financing process
that's being used in Greeley to go through this new development.
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And with us is going to be Sherry Pie from
Complete Colorado. She's been following the story. She's a Greeley
slash Evans resident and takes a lot of this stuff personal.
So with us on the line, Sherry, how are.
Speaker 8 (10:54):
You hey, I'm good, Steve, Thanks for having.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Me on you bet it's weird to be on the
opposite side.
Speaker 8 (11:00):
Oh personal, Yeah, it is kind of weird to be
on the opposite side normally I'm calling you talking to you.
That is a little strange, that is. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
So I know you have a lot of you know,
personal interest in this, not necessarily because you still live
in Greeley. I think you kind of split your time
a little bit. But you know, this whole development, if
you could just kind of spell it out to the listeners,
you know, it's a it's a big project. What does
this look like for residents of Well County the city
of Greeley. Just kind of spell it out for us?
Speaker 8 (11:31):
Yeah, you know, I will. I will start by saying
this project. You know, in all the years that I've
been either doing journalism or living in Greeley, or political
activism or whatever you want to call what I do,
this project has probably caused me more heartburn than anything prior,
I mean, in thirty years. So what it is is,
it's the one point one five billion dollar entertainment district.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
With a billion okay, yeah, billion.
Speaker 8 (11:59):
With a yeah B with a B. One point one
five billion dollars. It'll go in on the far far
west side of Greeley. A lot of people probably didn't
even realize that that land belonged to Greeley until this
project came up, but it sits almost to the Johnstown
or Windsor exits. It's right out off the County Road seventeen,
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probably about ten miles east of by twenty five. And
the land that it's going in on, most of it
has been owned by a developer that everybody in northern
Colorado has known for a very long time, in Martin Lynde.
Martin Lynne developed you know Water Valley. He's also developed
many places over in Greeley. Westlake Shopping Center was one
of the first places that Martin developed over in Greeley,
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before you know Pelican Lakes, rain Dance, all those wonderful
golf courses that everybody loves to golf. And then of
course the color At Eagles. And I don't know that
there's many people in Colorado but don't know who the
color At Eagles are. They're one of the most loved
sports teams in the state. And he was the one
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of the original founders and still owners of that team,
as well as the Budweiser Events Center I think now
it's called Blue Arena, and that whole shopping center over
there in Santia. So Martin is the developer on this
and he his leaf on the Blue Arena for the
Colordy Eagles is up in two or three years. And
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so he went to Laramer County to talk about making
some changes. And you know, that arena's been there a
while and the Eagles have more fans and they could
make a bigger arena and really wasn't moving very very
well over there. So Martin, who has always if there's
one thing I can say about Martin, Martin loves Weld County.
He's a Winsor homeboy. That's where he grew up. He
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has always done everything he can to help Weld County succeed.
So Martin went to the city of Greeley and started
talking to the city of Greeley about, Hey, you know what,
let's do this in Greeley. Greeley has been the wicked stepchild.
Greeley in Wild County have been the wicked stepchild when
it comes to development and things like this to Fort
Collins and Loveland and Larimer County. Forever, we've always been
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the one that misses out. You know, we missed out
on the on the Budweiser factory. We've missed out on
all kinds of things dating back decades. So we came
to Greeley a couple of years ago and they started
talking about it with the Greeley City Council, and they've
been you know, they've been talking about it for a
couple of years. Well, in the last few months it
really came to a hit. It came to a fruition.
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In order to build this, there has to be some
initial development fees. There has to be some infrastructure put
in place, there has to be some design taken care of.
There has to be a lot of stuff done that
in and of itself is going to cost one hundred
and fifteen million dollars just those initial phases of this,
of this entertainment center, which will include a new arena
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for the Colorad Eagles, two sheets of ice instead of one,
a water park that is going to cost over one
or two million dollars, I can't remember the exact cost,
but a massive water park, all kinds of another hotel
and convention center, bigger and better yet than the Embassy
suites that's already out there at Centera, all kinds of things,
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medical offices, restaurants, whatever. Well, Greeley doesn't just have Greely's
not Weld County. I mean, they're in Weld County, they're
the county seat, but they're not Weld County. When it
comes to money, Greeley hasn't really saved very well over
the years, okay, and they don't have one hundred and
fifteen million dollars that I want to make clear any
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city or any municipality or any government entity would put
up for this kind of a project, because that's kind
of their responsibility when this stuff comes from.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, you're investing in you're investing in the infrastructure so
that you can bring.
Speaker 8 (15:53):
Growth exactly exactly. But Greeley doesn't have that kind of
money laying around, you know. And unfortunately, and this is
where my heartburn comes in because I'm going to be
a little bit blunt, not that you've never not known
me to be blunt these but Greenley City Council hasn't
been what I would call the example of conservatism in
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Weld County over the past few years. Despite the fact
that they want to tout a five to two conservative majority,
those five conservatives have consistently voted to raise taxes, to
extend taxes, to spend more to build more to over
the last three to four years, five years, that it's unbelievable.
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So they devised a plan to finance this one hundred
and fifteen million dollars using something called certificates of participation.
And that's where my that's where my heartburn starts. My
heartburn is like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, so we only have like a minute before the break. Yeah,
so I don't want to get too far into this
certificates of participation. That's fine, but we'll do that after
the break. But let's outline exactly what that means, because
most people are going, what's a certificate of participation? Right
in like thirty seconds? Just kind of give the the
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you know, the gravity of what does this this funding
mechanism look like.
Speaker 8 (17:14):
It looks like the City of Greeley is going to
borrow one hundred and fifteen million dollars from a bank
without going to taxpayers the way the taxpayer Bill of
Rights requires. Okay, so that's where we go on around table.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, that's where we get into a little bit of trouble.
All right. When we get back from break, we'll kind
of dive into that a little more and discuss where
this heartburn is coming from anytime you mentioned Tabor that
that's the tipping point. If you're listening to the Dan
Capless Show here with six where Steve reams six thirty k.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
Out, you're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
It's big new development that's coming into the city of
Greeley with a little bit of struggle. It's the Cascadia Project.
And with us on the line is Sherry Pie from
Complete Colorado, a well known investigative journalist that has been
digging into this situation a little bit. And when we
were heading to break, we were talking about this financing
process or some would call it a scheme known as
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certificates of Participation. And while we were at break, we
got a text in it said certificates of participation are
the way local governments get around Tabor. So I'll lead
off with that. Sherry, you were explaining how this works.
Pick that back up.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
Yeah, and that's exactly what it is. And I think
that's how I finished it off too. It's in around
Tabor and basically because Taber says you can't raise taxes
or going to debt without going to voters, and you
can't go into long term leases. These allow you to
do that without going to voters. So you basically put
up some sort of capital project or capital building or
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something as collateral somebody else pays for pays for the
the loan, and then over the course of a series
of small term leases, which in most cases not in
this case, but in most cases are generally thirty year terms.
Every year you have, like one year, you have thirty
one year leases that you sign, and at the end
of those thirty one year leases, you get the deed
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to whatever property is you financed. Well, in this case,
they don't have any property to finance because the project
hasn't been built yet. So what they put up to
mortgage for these certificates of participation with forty other city
owned buildings that are paid for.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So what are these buildings consist of, you say, forty
forty plus buildings. What are we talking about.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
They mortgaged Greeley's only police station, They mortgaged three fire stations,
They mortgaged the Family Funplex, They mortgaged the ice house
in downtown Greeley. They mortgaged one of the city buildings.
They mortgaged the Rodarate Center, a lot of they mortgaged,
you know, most of their community. Now, to be fair,
it's not thirty years to pay off these particular certificates
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a participation. It's only about fifteen months because they'll get
paid off when the construction loan comes through on the
company that's already been contracted to build this project. That
company will then pant the certificate it's a mortgage, and
it'll fold into the construction loan. However, when the project
is done, it becomes the City of Greeley's and so
they then take over the loan the on the whole project,
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because as we all know, construction loans convert to a
normal loan, and that becomes Greeley's okay, and Greeley will
own all of those buildings, and they've already entered into
an agreement with Martin Lynn to lease the ice facility
I think for like twenty five or thirty years. Yeah,
so you know that's kind of how they're financing this
whole project.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
So, I mean, just to be fair, do you think
that you know, without this certificate of participation process, I
mean that seems to you know, to be the area
of most concern because it's not necessarily in pure alignment
with Tabor. From the way you've described it, do you
think the city of Greeley has the you know, has
the population, has the ability to make this project successful.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
I don't. I don't think the city of Greeley is
the target market, and I don't know that it should
be the target market. The Colorado Eagles draw people from
across the state of Colorado and even into southern Wyoming,
and so I don't think developers were even considering not
that they don't want the City of Greeley people out there,
but anytime, you know, even when Cinara was built and
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the hotel and convention center out there, the target market
there wasn't Loveland. The target market for this is you know,
all across up and down the Front Range right. No,
the City of Greeley people are not going to be
the ones that are going to make this project viable.
But this is where the heartburn comes in. Because as
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much as I hate the way they financed this, and
as much as I think Greeley residents really need to
look at who they elect in November, the project itself,
I do believe it's viable, Okay, but I don't. But
I don't believe it's going to be. I mean, it
was never targeted to the City of Greeley.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
This is more of a process issue, and you know,
who's who's left holding the bill that you're concerned about
necessarily of whether it's whether or not it's viable, right, correct.
Speaker 8 (22:18):
Because I mean, if you look at you know, I've
known Martin for almost thirty years, and if you look
at the projects that he's put in in the past,
nothing he's done has ever failed. And I don't I
don't expect this to fail. And I fully support the
project itself. And you know, I came out pretty hardcore
down against it in the very beginning. But from the beginning,
my opposition to it was the financing mechanism and the
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way it felt like the city council was sneaking behind
its voters backs. And the city manager in Greeley has
put oh god, he's another one that needs to go.
Raymond Lee has had some ideas for the City of
Greeley that has put so many new taxes and I
don't care what anybody says, they're new taxes. The phrase
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without raising taxes is garbage. You know, they've extended taxes,
they've increased taxes. They've everything you can think of. Raymond
has all these pie in the pie in the sky
ideas for a town that is has its hands in
so much. They you know, they're trying to redo US
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thirty four at thirty fifth Avenue, at forty seventh Avenue,
at sixty fifth Avenue, and down at eighth Avenue. They
have to redo all of those intersections. They want to
partner with Weld County to make the Greeley Airport a
regional airport similar to what is in Colorada Springs. So
they're getting involved in that. You know, now we've got
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out of all of them. Out of all the projects
that's Greeley's doing, I would say I trust the Cascadia
project the most. I do believe it's viable, but God
Steve Man, the way they financed.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
It, they just seems like there's a lot of risk there.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Well, and I want to cover I want to cover
one other thing, because there was there was a citizen's
initiative group that went out and gathered petitions and said
we're going to challenge whether or not the city can
enter into this agreement. I know they submitted these petitions
to a city appointed judge and over the weekend, this
judge said, now, this is an administrative issue, not a
legislative issue, so your petition is essentially invalid. So when
(24:21):
the citizens tried to push back against what the city
council is doing, basically they got nowhere is what I'm understanding.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
True, and it's my understanding that they have now filed
an appeal in Well District Court and we'll see where
that goes. Again. Another almost to me, I agree it
was an administrative I tend to agree with the judge
on this. I tend to agree that it was an
administrative issue. That being said, the judge was appointed by
(24:49):
the city Council the night before the petitions were turned
in with a very narrow ability to oversee things. And
the only thing that this hearing officer was appointed to
oversee was this. They hadn't even turned in the petitions yet,
and the Greeley City Council was already appointing somebody that
they knew, somebody that they had worked with before, somebody
(25:13):
that to oversee a possible challenge. So again, backdoor things
that the City of Greeley is due, the city council
is doing. Just to be honest with your citizens and
your voters and tell them up front, this is what
you know. I'm going to say this again. The project
(25:34):
is viable. I really do believe the project is viable.
I support the project. And at this point, the City
of Greeley has already spent somewhere I think in the
neighborhood of fifteen million dollars on this project. And at
this point, if this project doesn't go through, guess what
we're going to be the step children to Larimer County again. Yes, Martin,
as much as I'm sitting here, I know, for you know,
(25:55):
in my heart of hearts, I know he's going to
turn around. He's going to put it on the other
side of Highway thirty four. It's going to go into Johnstown.
Johnstown's going to reap all those rewards. And then guess
what that does to the city of Green It hurts
them even more, kills us even it hurts him even more.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
So she got to we got to go to a break.
But I want to just a real quick question. If
this thing does go to if this thing were to
go to the voters, do you believe the voters in
the City of Greeley pass it.
Speaker 8 (26:22):
I think I think if people actually listen to listen
to the project and pay attention to what it's doing,
and they actually come out to vote, yes, I do
believe they pass it. Okay, I were, and I think
the education will be out there, and I have vowed,
I have vowed that if this thing does go to
the voters, I will be more than happy to sit
down and talk to anybody to make sure that they
(26:44):
that they vote to make sure that this project goes through.
Because right at this point now, as as like I said,
is everything else. Aside from everything else and the side
of my heartburn, the City of Greeley residents really do
need to get behind this project and let bygones be
and move forward, because it's going to hurt us even
more if it doesn't. I mean, it really is.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Cherry. Thank you for your time, and I know you're
busy with Complete Colorado. We'll keep in touch. We'll see
how this project continues to develop. As a person who
lives in Weld County but not in the City of Greeley,
I'm watching from the sidelines. But you brought a lot
of education with all this, So thank you for your time.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
Thanks Steve, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
All right, you're listening to Dan Capless Show here with
Well County Sheriff Steve Raims. Will take a break, come
back for our last segment, do a little bit of
cleanup and stick with us.
Speaker 7 (27:28):
Please, and now back to the Dan Tapless Show podcast Capless.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Show for the final segment here of in the first
two days of the week that I'm covering for Dan.
I'll be back on Friday. But you know that last
interview with Sherry Pie may not be local to some
of you talking about Greeley, but the certificates of participation
that's really been a thing that's been highlighted here recently.
In my understanding, the Denver School District is for using
(28:00):
these certificates of participation of finance new projects and doing
so pretty aggressively. Lot of a lot of cities and
counties are using these. I guess end rounds to TABOR
may not be may not be completely what the intent
of TABOR. You know, they may be working around what
the the intent of TABOR was. I'm not saying it's illegal,
(28:22):
but there's definitely been some some folks trying to question
these these financing schemes known as certificates of participation several
of you listened up in the Greeley area. Some texts
coming in here. Corruption starts at the city council and
then is mister Lynn putting up any dollars on this project?
And my answer to that is, I don't know for sure.
I would assume as a developer he's got some skin
(28:44):
in the game, but it sounds like some of the
beef is that the city of Greeley has most of
the skin in the game. A little bit of a
fun text here says, hey, sheriff, what is your favorite pistol? Well,
that's a trick question because I like a bunch of them,
but my favorite one to shoot. I have a stainless
Steel and Wesson forty four magnum with a six inch barrel,
and that thing is just a hoot. But for every
(29:06):
day Carrie, I typically carry a Smith and Wesson MMP.
Military and police, I carry a nine millimeters because I
can carry more rounds. But I love glocks. I'm kind
of just a gun guy as long as they don't
screw up and misfire and have problems. Those of you
that are gun guys, sig P three twenty not on
(29:26):
my list.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
But what's the four magnum.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
That's the dirty Harry, that's the dirty hairy gun.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah, are you feeling lucky?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Are you feeling lucky? Punk all? Are you? You know
you have to say that at least once every time
you shoot it, because that's just what it's all about.
Good good reference though, Kelly, and you know, typically you're
not our movie buff on a lot of this stuff,
but that one was. That's right out of the hip pocket.
I got a text here from Alexa that I got
to read because this might have to be a theme
for our September ninth showdown with me and George Brockoler. Lord,
(29:58):
this one's great. It says, in a battle, whether it's wrestling, firearms,
rock and SoC and robots, et cetera, between Lauren Bobert
and George Brockler, you and I know who would win.
And I think alexis picking Lauren on that one. So
we're talking George not being a very tough guy. You know,
maybe he's maybe he's good in the courtroom, but not
very not very tough physically.
Speaker 9 (30:19):
Actually, Friday, I'm going to try to get him on
so that you and she can discuss arm wrestling.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
So that's very I can't that.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I am looking forward to that one, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Totally buried the lead. And we only have a one minute.
Speaker 9 (30:36):
So I'm going to say this, congratulations to your cat
who yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Yeah, I have.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
We have some barn cats at my house and one
of them, one of our cats, had four kittens, and
I think Kelly wants one.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I do.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
We're gonna We're going to see how that happens. But
more importantly, Ryan, who is in Florida right.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Now, huh.
Speaker 9 (30:57):
I texted him, you can of two because you had four, right, you.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Can have as many as you want. Well, actually I
had a couple of them, maybe reserves.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Ane thing I emailed him was.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
You can name them Tiger and Lion or iSER Men
and Piston. But then I said, depends on how hot
the cat would be to be named.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Iserman.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
You know, you're kind of all over the place, But look,
we're going to walk down the parking lot and see
if your husband's okay with me bringing you a couple
of cats. I have a feeling you're I have a
feeling you're about to get rejected. But it is what
it is. Hey, it's been fun for the last two days.
I look forward to being back with you on Friday.
You'll have Christy Burton Brown tomorrow. Thanks for sticking with me,
Thanks for all the text thanks for the phone calls.
It's been a great time. I'll see you on Friday.
(31:46):
This is Sheriff Rains filling in for Dan Kaplis on
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