May 20, 2025 • 35 mins
Rep. Ryan Armagost (R-64) joins Sheriff Steve Reams (in for Dan) to respond to Monday's interview with Rocky Mountain Gun Owners president Dudley Brown, in which the state representative was accused of turning his back on those fighting for Second Amendment rights during the General Assembly battle of Senate Bill 25-003
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to the Dan Caples Show.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
This is day two of two with Will kiny Shaff
Steve Reams setting in as a guest host, and we're
going to get right to the show today. There's not
a more appropriate lead in than that a little bit
of boxing metaphor in Dan's lineup, because yesterday we had
Dudley Brown with Rocky Mountain Gun Owners taking a few
shots at Ryan Armagust out of HD sixty four, and
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with us today we have Ryan Armagost to kind of
throw a few punches back, and Ryan's on the line.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Ryan, how are you doing good?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Triff?
Speaker 5 (00:44):
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm doing great. Ryan.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I'm sure you heard a little bit of the audio
from yesterday, and I know you've seen some of the
stuff that was posted on social media from the Rocky
Mountain Gun Owners. You know they posted some of your
TikTok TikTok videos in addition to some statements that they're
making about your work down at the State House, especially
in reference to Senate Bill III. What do you have
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in response to that?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Well, I think, first and foremost the attacks are unprovoked
and unnecessary. I think it's just these are things that
should be happening face to face, blind closed doors, where
we can resolve issues, rather than make it public and
further dividing not only the Republicans, but dividing the two
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A community. And that's what I think. We need to
work harder at uniting and staying united in that, not
trying to find a wedge to drive in between them.
And right now I'm being created as that wedge.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Okay, So some of the content that was put outs,
you know, I had in reference to some emails that
you had sent out to your constituents. One of them,
I'm just going to read a quote here just to
get a response from you. I'm still proud to represent
our gun rights, for our caucus and for Colorado with
all the other two A advocates, they take the fight
to the capital, not to the doorstep of legislators and
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their families. If somebody came to my doorstep like that,
my family would show them what the Second Amendment is
all about. I think that's I think that's kind of
where from what I understand, it caught the ire of
the Rocky Mountain gun owners. Can you explain what that
statement means and kind of what your intent was with that.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, basically this is something I'd told to them as
well before I made that statement, But it's something that
really just the accusations that were made toward them were
that they were visiting the homes of family members while
the legislators were at work, And to me, that was intimidation.
If that was happening to my family, I'd be pretty upset.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
All right, so are you?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And I'm not trying to put you on the spot here, Ryan,
but I guess in a little way I am. Are
you saying the appropriate response to those kind of knocks
on the door is with a gun in hand?
Speaker 6 (02:52):
Or you?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Just what's the intent of that post?
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Me and Sam was just simply that it would make
me and credit upset if I was the legislator that
that was.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Happening to my family.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I know my I would not want my family to
feel threatened being at home because they're they're married to
a legislator. Or the children of a legislator. I think
that's wholly inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Okay, Well, and the accusation yesterday was that from the
Rocky Mountain Gun Owners was that you had basically offered
a relief valve to the Democrats. I think you'd argue
that you had four Democrats that were potentially going to
vote against Senate Bill III, and that when you approach
these folks in the in the well of the House
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and kind of you know, I guess spoke down about
the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners tactics, it gave them a
relief valve to vote against the bill. Do you do
you see the same thing there? And do you really
do you believe you had enough votes to kill the bill?
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Walk walk us through that?
Speaker 5 (03:50):
No, and I don't think we will. That's wholly inaccurate.
And I don't think we would have had the votes
to kill the bill anyway, But there are definitely two
votes that we could have had that would have been
at least a closer situation. And the thing that I
did with those legislators that I knew were either flipping
their vote from where they were in committee to the
House floor, I saw potential in it So I contacted
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them initially, just hey, are you still going to be
an on this where you at? And they said, I'm
not feeling the same as I was before. So that's
where that ended up. That's where it started. But it's
getting turned into something of speculation, which is again more
divisive than anything else. Rather than coming to me, all
anyone has to do is talk to me. That people
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know my email. If not, they can go to Pharmacaust
sixty four dot com and find my email and reach out.
That's fact, to get the facts from the source, not
from speculation or organizations.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So I don't want to I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Not putting words in your mouth, but I assume that
you and the Rocky Mountain gun owners have had no
official talks. When I say Rocky Mountain gun owners, the
Dudley Browns, the Ian Escalantes, you guys have had no
face to face talks since the end of session or
since this bill passed. Correct, So what is your message
to the gun owners out there of you know, I mean,
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this is your messaging where are we at on Senate
Bill three or what's your stance even as it pertains
to these gun rights advocates, whether it be Rocky Mountain
gun owners in ra A, well, what's your message to
the voters out there.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I think the biggest thing is, especially with Senate Bill three,
that was just, I mean a huge, huge slap in
the face to any gun owner out there. That bill
is from where it began to what it morphed into
over and over again, and every time it was read,
it turned into something horrendous for more horrendous every time
it was read. But it eventually became something that the
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governor wanted and we just then realized, holy cow, this
might actually pass. And when it did, I think everyone
in the two A community was definitely quick to point
of finger It's kind of natural, it's the way things
have been for a long time. But this year we
it felt like we were much more united, but there
was still a lot of finger pointing. I think instead
everyone should have just taken the punch to the jaw,
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you know, rub some dirt on it, and then said
let's get back up and get back in the fight.
I think this is just something that's going to now
have to be challenged. But unfortunately this isn't this isn't
the beginning, but it's definitely not going to be the
end on the attack from the Democrats and our gun
rights for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I understand that. So, Ryan, we only have about thirty
seconds left. I'll give you the last opportunity here, give
you the last word to make a messaging to your
voters out there. You know you're representing HD sixty four.
Finished with your final word too.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Okay, Yeah, I just I got to like that to
represent how Sister fifty four are not a political organization.
You know, when we win, when we work together, we
need ever conservative voice of the table make a difference
in the minority. That means finding common ground. I remain
committed to working with anyone who shares the same ideology
of supporting our law abiding citizens, supporting our gun rights,
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and otherwise supporting public safety and the needs of our
state of Colorado to get it back to where it
used to be. We didn't get here overnight. We're not
going to get out of it overnight. But we need
to stick together to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Thank you for coming on the show. Ryan, I'm sorry
this is such a short segment, but we had the
show booked. But thank you for coming on and giving
a reply to the interview from yesterday, we're going to
cut the break in again thanks to Ryan Armagos from
HD sixty four and you're listening to the Dan Capla
Show with Well Kenny Sheriff, Steve Rms.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast Steve.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Reams sitting in. Sitting in as your guest host. Didn't
get a chance to set this up as much as
I wanted to in that first segment, but this is
going to be our candidate for Governor's Show, and in
full transparency, this first candidate that we're going to speak
to is not a person that I've ever met personally.
And I just started basically going through the list of
twenty four candidates in the state of Colorado that are
running for the seat for governor, twelve of those being Republicans.
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And so when I started going through the list, I
found this next person's.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Facebook page pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I reached out to this individual and he was very responsive,
and that person is Alex. Got to Alex, are you
on the line with us?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I am Alex.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Tell us a little bit about yourself and what made
you decide to jump in the race for Colorado governor
as a Republican?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Sure, sure, Thanks for having me, Steve.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
I'm Alex Mugatu.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I'm a born and raised public Natives. Their generation probably
the most distinguishing aspect of me. As far as I know,
I'm the only millennial in this race. For what it's worth, Okay,
what what I jumped into the race for. You know,
I have some genuine concerns, as as many people do,
with the direction of the state, and I have even
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more concerns with the direction of the way that the parties,
the Republican Party has has been going in recent years.
I think that there needs to be a serious come
to Jesus moment with the way that we actually look
at governing in Colorado. And as a as a business
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owner myself, I bring a different a different mentality when
it comes to leadership, and I think I bring a
different some very different ideas when it comes to governing itself.
Some of the things that that i'mp me to jump
into this race, you know, I'm passionate about certain issues,
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namely property rights and our constitutional rights, and I think
that you know, every day that we've witnessed this past
legislative session, it's just not looking good. Regardless of the
kind of representation that we have in the legislature right now.
So property rights is key to restoring the Colorado promise
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that was based in our American dream. And I'd like
to have the Colorado that at our parents and grandparents
essentially built for us.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
So, Alex, you mentioned that you're a small business owner.
What is your business background? And also I'll just add
on to that so you can kind of go with it.
He said that you're kind of new to the political
field as far as running for office. Do you have
you been involved in Republican politics down in Pueblo. Uh,
you know, I'm on the other end of the state. So,
like I said, we haven't had a chance to get
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to meet. So this is the time for you to
educate the voters on all that.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
So, actually, I'm I'm not I'm not new to to
our political scene. I've actually been at this for for
quite a while, mainly in Pueblo County. I've been a
Republican candidate for the legislature several several times there there
have been primaries, you know, the way that the party
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runs in our nominating processes. Uh, other other people have
different ideas and you know, I get taken out in
a primary, so that that's kind of where where my
background is. I'll go on to say that that every
one of those candidates that defeated me in a primary
did go on to lose a general election. So nobody
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really knows what the voters are going to do. But uh,
you know, that's that's just kind of my background. I've
been at this for a for a long time here
or not because I'm facing a political title, but because
I want to see some change in our state. My
business background, I I'm the uh I'm the owner and
CEO of of Icon Asylum Entertainment, which which was a
company that I established in two thousand and five when
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I was kind of goofing off in uh Fort Collins
during my college years. And what that what that was
was essentially a sports entertainment company with the flash and
slambuoyance of UH pro wrestling in mm A, mixed martial
arts and whatnot. We tried to uh come back to Pueblo,
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you know, with with big dreams I guess of taking
my hometown by storm, and I I ran into politics
and that's really where I started to get my foot
into the door here is I discovered real quick that
everything is so political in Pueblo County and I'm sure
across the state that it just wasn't a good business
environment for young entrepreneurs to to get themselves established in
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Colorado anymore. So that's that's kind of where where we're
going with that. Then covid HIT and being a sports
entertainment promotions at event promotions company, when Jared Polis decided
he wanted to implement a mass ban on a ban
on MAS gatherings, well, I mean if that that had
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an effect on ticket sales, so.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I can't imagine that was good for the business model. Yeah,
it was not.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
So we're trying to rebuild, but in the meantime, we
want to see some some things change in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
So you know, every candidate tends to have a few
pillars in there in there, you know, for for their candidacy.
You talked about property, right, it's what are some other
things that if given the chance to represent the state
of Colorado as a Republican candidate or even as a
Republican governor, what are the other things that you would
you would find yourself focusing on.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
So, you know, I think that I think where Republicans
have gone wrong is we've kind of let the Democrat
Party kind of kind of trademark the term progressive, even
though we've we've seen a lot of regressive policy coming
out of the Gold Dome. We we've kind of let
them trademark that for their own and really that's been
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to our own detriment. For for my property rights issue,
one of my main staples on that is on the
candidate that's known for for wanting to abolish residential property
tax in Colorado, I think that that's something we can do.
I think that that we shouldn't be forced to spend
a lifetime leasing our own the pursuit of our own
happiness from our government in order to keep it. And
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you know, once once you buy it, it should be
yours for life. I think that energy independence, that we're
having a big issue with energy, especially down here in Publo.
We just ran a ballot measure, an unnecessary ballot measure,
where the city wanted to basically take over Black Hills
Energy is infrastructure and create a municipal a municipal energy company.
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It got shot down, so now we have to go
back to the drawing table. I think that we can
open up Colorado to a free market energy economy and
let people decide who powers their homes and their businesses.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
So when it comes to the infrastructure of Colorado, where
do you think we stand as a state? I mean,
I know where we rank as a state. I think
we're forty seven out of fifty if I'm not mistaken.
But what would be your plans as a governor or
governor's candidate for addressing the infrastructure woes that are Colorado?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Sure? I mean I've seen I do a lot of traveling, Steve,
and I've seen two thousand year old cobblestone roads that
are smoother drides than Colorado roads. You know, as the
infrastructure is key to creating a strong economy. You have
solid infrastructure, you bring in business opportunity, you bring in jobs,
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opportunities it you know, the sky's the limit there. So
as far as as far as governor, that's where I
would be focusing on. We had a candidate forum last
Thursday in Longmont, and of course I left Pueblo at
two thirty in the afternoon. There was a drive that
should have taken me two hours to get to Longmont,
and I got there a quarter to six, just before
the event started. And you know, I think with what
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we're seeing here with the population growth, the I twenty
five from Fillmore and Colorado Springs all the way up
to north the northern the northern part of the metro,
the I twenty five was basically a parking lot. I
think that the growth and population is not sustainable with
the infrastructure that we have, and we need to really
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focus on on expanding it from water from water infrastructure,
energy infrastructure, improving our roads and highways, providing additional options
for routing on roads and highways. There needs to be
some significant investment in both time and energy to focusing
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on expanding our infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
And I didn't hear you mention any kind of railway
from Pueblo to Fort Collins, So that's probably a positive
in your candidacy. Just to reset, we have Alex Mugatu
on with us here on the show. He's a candidate
for governor here in Colorado, Republican. You just kind of
highlighting some of your stances, you know, again going back
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to some of the things that I think are red
meat Republican issues. What's your stance on let's say Second
Amendment issues. We just had one of the most egregious
gun bills passed in the state of Colorado and Senate
Bill IREI, where do you stand on something like that?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Right well, I mean, obviously as a as a red
blooded American here, our country was founded based off of
a tax grievance and and we needed to be able
to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government. Not saying that
we're at that point yet, but right now, the way
that that Colorado is looking after the last census and
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the redistricting process, I mean, we basically have what six
or seven counties call on the shots for for for
an entire state here. You know, two A is a
big issue for me. I'm I'm a strong proponent of
self governance. I'm a strong proponent of home ruld jurisdiction.
I'm kind of liking what I'm seeing coming out of
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Douglas County right now. I wish that that all counties
that aren't home rule counties would would jump onto that
bandwagon and try to protect themselves from from overreach at
the state level. As far as the Senate Bill three,
which was in my opinion, I mean, I'm sure it's
an opinion shared by many. It was an egregious overreach,
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constitutional violation, and I hope that it does get overturned
in the court, but I think that this is actually
something that's going to have to be overturned by the
people themselves.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Okay, Alex was just about twenty seconds left. What's your website?
How can people find you?
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
You can find me at Alex Mugatu mug a tu
dot com and you can send a message a member
of the If I don't get the message myself, one
of our team members will get it and I'll get
in touch with you.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
All right, thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You're listening to the Dan Capless Show here with well
Kenny Shriff Steve Riams as a guest host.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show Podcastle's.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Show with Well Kenny Shriff Steve Riams setting in the
driver's seat today day two of two. And just to
remind the listeners what we're doing here today, we've got
kind of a governor's show today, governor candidate Show. I
guess I should say, as I mentioned in the earlier segment,
there's twenty four candidates running for the governor in the
state of Colorado, twelve that are Republicans, So we're going
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to cover four of them today and if I get
a chance to cover in the future, we'll try to
get to another four and then maybe hopefully, hopefully the
last four unless more jump in. And we've already had
a few texts talking about some other potential candidates. But
if you want to text in the numbers five, seven, seven,
three nine. We'll also take calls in the last segment,
which is you can call in at three oh three seven, one, three, eight,
two five five. But lit's without further ado. Let's get
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to our next candidate, which is the sheriff of Teller County.
I know this individual pretty well. Jason Michael, how you doing.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
I'm doing good. Steve, how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I'm doing great. Doing something other than sheriff and and
I got to tell you it's a whole lot more fun.
But you're doing something other than sheriff in a little
bit too. You're running for governor and this is your
second time on the show with me. But tell us
a little bit about your campaign platform. How are things going?
And uh, you know, where are you finding energy out
in the state of Colorado.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Well, you know, see the energies everywhere everybody wants to change.
I'm seeing that so many different places. And you know,
I'm a little bit different than the other candidates. Most
people don't know that. I've been an entrepreneur and businessman
for many years. I've scaled companies and I have multiple
small businesses with my wife throughout the Woodland Park area.
And it's so I do a lot of different things.
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And then, by the way, I'm a sheriff too, so
as a candidate, I kind of understand both sides of it.
I know how to help Colorado build as a state
and be able to get businesses back up and running.
And I also know how to deal with the crime
and the issues that we're seeing all throughout the state.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Well, and I know the answer to this one because
we've talked about it before, But what energized you to
jump in the governor's race and kind of what are
the tip poles, if you will, of your campaign candidacy?
You know, what are those things that hold your campaign up?
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Well, I think right now, for me, it's just watching
so many other politicians run that I just felt couldn't
win a race and understand that. You know, we have
a lot of big issues within the Colorado and a
lot of it has to do with our budget and
the goals to get it back to something that's fiscally responsible.
The other piece, though, too, is I really look at
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crime as a major issue out throughout Colorado and just
deregulating a lot of a lot of issues that are
creating the high house costs, and really the everything that
you're seeing is coming out of Denver right now. All
the regulations, all the push to you know, really destroy
Colorado is coming out of our legislature. And some of
the biggest issues I see is we've got to fix
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our roads. We've got to fill some potholes. This is
horrible now. And our crime is what third in the
nation now for violent crime, and businesses are leading Colorado
on a daily basis. So these are these are the
areas that really energize me and get me moving. I've
got three boys, and I want them to be able
to come back to a Colorado that that they can
actually be here and live and be able to grow
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in and be a part of. And I think everybody
wants that for their children.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
So when you're out there and you're interacting with the public,
I'm sure you're getting some Republican support. But what does
it look like when you get outside of the Republican
community and you're interacting with Let's say, I won't call
them the enemy because you need every vote, but the
Democrats are the unaffiliated, the independent. You know, what kind
of feedback are you getting?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Are you hearing the same message across different party lines
for where the state of Colorado is or we still
a very divided state.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
No, I think I'm hearing it from all different areas
because as a sheriff, I'm you know, I governed for
both everyone. It doesn't matter who you are. And I think, really,
in speaking with a lot of independence, a lot of
unaffiliated here, their main concerns is, let's stop dealing with
the social issues and let's start dealing with real issues
that affect them on a daily basis. Everything from putting
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food on the table to putting gas in their cars
and being able to get their cars on the roads.
Those are the biggest issues I see. And they want
to save Colorado and I think that's where a lot
of them are working with me and Democrats are in
the same boat. They feel like their party has just
left them behind. They understand there's been a trifecta and
for a long time now that really they feel ashamed
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of their own parties. And I think and I can
understand that. I mean, really, you look at the state
of Colado and Jared Polis's issues, and then some of
the new candidates for the Democratic Party, they're not following
what they're party even believes in in a lot of
different ways.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, I think there's a couple of Senate bills that
just went through our House, Bills thirteen twelve, which is
the Transgender Rights Bill, I think it's commonly known as that,
and then Senate Bill three. I mean, those are two
pretty extreme bills that kind of define this legislative session.
But is that I mean, is that what's resonating out
there with the public And what are your opinion on
those two bills.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Well, here's the thing. I think everybody's seeing that, Hey,
boys need to play boy sports, girls need to play
girl sports. That's the way it is, and we need
to respect that. And I think on the gun bill, listen,
I'm a Second Amendment person. You and I and multiple
others fought those bills in for a state in a
legislature to tell sixty four counties and sixty four sheriffs
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that they don't care what they bring to the table.
They don't care to have discussions with us, and they
don't care to stakeholder with us. And they have talks
and they did it anyways, against everyone that requested that
they not. That tells you where our government has gone
within Colorado, and it tells you we have no clear leadership.
And that's what I need to bring to the table,
is clear leadership, because I've done it so many times
in Colorado's history.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
So on that topic of leadership, you know, it's going
to take quite a few different candidates running for different offices,
whether it be ag whether it be governor. You're going
to kind of have to raise all waters. Do you
think your campaign's building the momentum that it needs to
help raise all waters? And do you see other folks
jumping into those those other races that we need to
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see competitive folks in. I mean, quite frankly, just winning
the governor's race isn't enough. Were you seeing things out
on the horizon. Do we have a chance as a
Republican Party?
Speaker 6 (24:55):
You know, I think it's going to be very difficult,
I think, And here's the reason why I'm running for
the governor position. You could run for another position and
do well. But here's the problem I see without a
governor to be able to veto things and stop what
I call the bleed or the constant builds, because we
still have another session to come through, even before another race,
what comes next. So everybody's dealing with what's happening right now,
and they're not thinking strategically about what happens in the
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future if we don't slow some of these things down.
So you're absolutely right. The Attorney general's position is one
of the main key pieces we have to be able
to take, and there's nobody stepped up to run for
that position yet. And if we don't take that, it's
going to be awfully difficult to change or create the
ability to go forth as Republicans and win seats. And
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I think that's one of my biggest concerns. You got
to win enough Senate seats, bag, you gotta win enough
House seats back. But we just got to get to
where we can have an equal number if we can't
just win them all.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I know you have the law and order candidate.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I know that there's a lot of issues out there
when it deals with crime in Colorado. If you could
make one change right now in the state of Colorado
to affect what would that be.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
I hold criminals accountable. And you know, Steve, the biggest
thing is for me, I'm also the business candidate. I'm
the only candidate I believe in Colorado that's actually got
the skills to build companies, build businesses, understand what that
lifeblood is, and understand the law enforcement side what really
needs to be given to law enforcement to succeed. But
you've got to hold criminals accountable. And that's what I'll do.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
So in just a few seconds that we have left,
people are going to want to know how to find
more about you. Look at your pages. Where can folks
find you out there on the interwebs, So.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
You can find me a Mike soul the number four
gov dot com and that's Micsolfo gov dot com. Here's
the other thing. If you just want to google my
name and look at YouTube or in the other things,
you'll see my leadership and action in multiple different news clips.
You'll find me on social media sites and it's micol forgev.
Also in anywhere you look, if you look at my name,
you're going to find me.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Well, give you.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
One last chance here to make a pitch to the public.
You've got, you've got, you've got the mic.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Well, thank you, Steve. And here's the thing. If you
want a candidate that understands real business and understands how
to get call right off the ground, and you want
to see somebody that can really deal with crime and
really love our law enforcement officers and first responders across
the state, I'm your candidate and I think you you'll
see that if you actually follow me.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Well, thanks for coming on the show again, Jason. I
know it's a short segment that any anytime someone comes
on the radio, but you package a lot of information
into a short amount of time. And again, uh follow
Jason on his social media pages or his website, and
again we just appreciate you coming on the show. We'll
cut to brake and we'll take some calls and some
text messages in this last segment. But you're listening to
the Dan Caplas Show here on six thirty k how
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with Well Kenny Sheriff. Steve brings.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Today and as the guest host on day two of
two and we jumped right into the show to right
from the word go. We had Ryan armagost On in
that first segment kind of fighting back a little bit
with the story that we had on yesterday from Rocky
Mountain gun owners who took some shots at Ryan for
the way they believe he handled his navigation of Senate
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Bill three down at the State House. So he had
a chance to kind of push back a little bit
and give his side of the story. And I guess
you listeners out there can go to social media's and
figure out which side of that debate you follow the
most or which side you trust the most. But as
I said earlier, today's kind of our Governor's candidate show.
And you know, since we had twenty four governor's candidates
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in the state of Colorado, that's several days worth of radio.
There's only twelve that are Republicans, but three Democrats and
nine i'll just say others unaffiliated constitutional parties. And I
won't go through the like Jo Exotic. Yeah, boy, wouldn't
that be fun if we could get a Joe Exotic. Actually,
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you know there's a can it on here that's that's
a Republican candidate that he ran a few years ago,
and he's He's not a Joe exotic candidate, but he
is a interesting guy that I had a chance to
interact with at a at a debate, and I'm hoping
that I can get him on the radio at some
point because if nothing else, our exchanges will be entertaining.
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But I'm not sure if he'll take my call. But
I'm going to go through the list of candidates here
and you can raise your hand out there in the
listening audience if you know any of them. Oh and
by the way, if you want to text in and
give your feedback on the ones we've heard so far,
which is Alexander who got to and Jason Mike's Ol,
the sheriff down in Teller County, feel free to text in.
We have gotten one text in reference to someone they
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would like to see nominated, and that's Dan Kaplis. Seems
like every time we talk about governor's candidates, his name
pops up, and that's from our wonderful listener, Alexa. But
the other candidates we have here on the Republican side,
we're going to have Mark Baisley and Scott Bottoms on
in the next hour, but we have a Jason Clark,
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we have a Bryson Garrison, Steve An Guess, John Gray Ginsburg,
my buddy that I've interacted with before, Joshua Griffin, Greg Lopez,
which I believe made his announcement on your show. If
I'm not mistaken, I did. And then we have a
William or will McBride. We had Jason on, Jason Michel,
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we had Alexander who got to and I think the
last one on here is Jim Runberg. And I have
to be honest with you, there's only four of those
people now, five that I know after talking to alex
So it'll be interesting to see if we can get
the other four on. Like I said, I shouldn't say
that I do know John Greg Ginsburg from a previous
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interaction entertaining guy. I'll say that, So we'll see how
that goes. Yeah, I'm concerned for the state of Colorado
because I think we have gone so far to the
left that something has to pull back to the right.
And I'm hoping that one of these uh, one of
these candidates finds lightning in a bottle. Heck, I'm hoping
Dan Kaplis still jumps into the race, and I hope
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the listeners are encouraging that as well.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Well.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
There are some listeners and I won't mention any names,
but mine my name, Ryan Schuling, that would love to
see a sheriff Steve Reem's candidacy for governor.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
What say, you hold your breath and I'll die.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, So I appreciate that, Ryan, you know, is as
much as I've enjoyed my life in politics, to the
extent that I've been involved in politics, I was always
drawn to being a law enforcement guy. Being a sheriff was,
you know, as a necessary evil to go through politics.
And I've learned a lot. I've met a lot of
fantastic folks in the political life. I've met some that
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I wish I hadn't met. Yeah, But quite frankly, I'm
tired of asking people for money and for support, and
I want to help candidates to get elected. I want
to help those good candidates. So if we find that
person that you know is catching lightning in bottle, I'll
be with them one hundred and fifty percent. We just
got to get that right person. And quite frankly, the
people in the Bolder don't like me very much.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
So that's part for the course, I'm sure I'm not
very big in Boulder either. That's a different crowd, different
audience for the most part, although there are a few
except there's a few, John Caldera being one of the
I don't know how he continues to live there, but
God love him. I would say that ground Game Organization.
I've gone to one of the Colorado GOP breakfasts. I
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believe it might have been the first since bread of
Horn came aboard his chair. Heidi Ganaal helped hosting that.
Heidi's very good behind the scenes. Of course, she was
the candidate for governor last time around. And I think
the energy it's something the sheriff Mike's will touched on.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It's there.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
It's just a matter of.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
Tapping into it and getting it focused and redirected. We
live in a state where we have to get the persuadables.
That's just all there is to it. We could turn
out every Republican voter, it still wouldn't be enough to
overcome the advantage Democrats have built in between registered Democrats
and unaffiliated to buy and large lane left exactly so
you get those persuadables that are disaffected with this recent
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thirteen twelve being passed with their Second Amendment rights being
a fringe upon, you know, those kind of common sense,
common ground issues.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
That's how I would distill it.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I think you're I think you hit the nail on
the head. And you know crime has affected everyone in Colorado.
I don't care where you go, you can't help, but
notice what is going on in Colorado, and I think
that that leans that issue, leans towards the you know
Republican fixes more often than not, as you've seen from
our state legislature. But you hit the nail on the
head too with a house built thirteen twelve. I think
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when you have moms that get activated and dads for
a large degree too, But when you start attacking parental rights,
that activates a whole other segment that if you can
resonate with that segment, I think there's a chance to
there's a chance to find a pathway for a Republican
to be successful. Although I do think it's a very
narrow path. I think someone can navigate it if they
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have the right ground game and they can activate those
those baseline voters.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Do we think could be that guy?
Speaker 8 (34:01):
Well, Dan's got a lot of cachet and I can
talk about him when he's not here, but I would
say this to him if he asked. But he's got
the name recognition, right. I think he has the credibility.
He's done good work in this state on behalf of
victims of large accidents. He has I think a platform
in this show that he's been reaching people for years.
So I think he has a lot of built in
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kind of no brainer advantages in addition to the fact
that he's doing pretty well from his law firm and
from a financial standpoint. Plus, I think it's not just
that I think Dan would be adept at being able
to secure a donor money that's bick. He and I
have talked about that independent of him. But a candidate
has to give the party nationally the belief that we
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can win here, and that's a big obstacle. That has
been a big hurdle in raising money for our campaign
statewide well.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
And I think you know the secondary piece to that
we keep talking about does the Republican Party build the
candidate or does the candidate helps stand the Republican Party backup.
You know, we've kind of been in ambles as a
Republican party. I say we because I'm part of it
as a Republican party in this state. But a good
candidate raises all waters. And if we can just find
that person to help help raise the water, you know,
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I think it's a it's good for all of us
and good for the people of Colorado. So when we
come back in segment two, well jump back into this
conversation and get a couple more candidates up. But right
now you're listening to The Dan Kaplis Show with Well
Kenny Sheriff Steve Reams as your guest host.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to the Dan Caples Show.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
This is day two of two with Will kiny Shaff
Steve Reams setting in as a guest host, and we're
going to get right to the show today. There's not
a more appropriate lead in than that a little bit
of boxing metaphor in Dan's lineup, because yesterday we had
Dudley Brown with Rocky Mountain Gun Owners taking a few
shots at Ryan Armagust out of HD sixty four, and
(00:36):
with us today we have Ryan Armagost to kind of
throw a few punches back, and Ryan's on the line.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Ryan, how are you doing good?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Triff?
Speaker 5 (00:44):
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm doing great. Ryan.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I'm sure you heard a little bit of the audio
from yesterday, and I know you've seen some of the
stuff that was posted on social media from the Rocky
Mountain Gun Owners. You know they posted some of your
TikTok TikTok videos in addition to some statements that they're
making about your work down at the State House, especially
in reference to Senate Bill III. What do you have
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in response to that?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Well, I think, first and foremost the attacks are unprovoked
and unnecessary. I think it's just these are things that
should be happening face to face, blind closed doors, where
we can resolve issues, rather than make it public and
further dividing not only the Republicans, but dividing the two
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A community. And that's what I think. We need to
work harder at uniting and staying united in that, not
trying to find a wedge to drive in between them.
And right now I'm being created as that wedge.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Okay, So some of the content that was put outs,
you know, I had in reference to some emails that
you had sent out to your constituents. One of them,
I'm just going to read a quote here just to
get a response from you. I'm still proud to represent
our gun rights, for our caucus and for Colorado with
all the other two A advocates, they take the fight
to the capital, not to the doorstep of legislators and
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their families. If somebody came to my doorstep like that,
my family would show them what the Second Amendment is
all about. I think that's I think that's kind of
where from what I understand, it caught the ire of
the Rocky Mountain gun owners. Can you explain what that
statement means and kind of what your intent was with that.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, basically this is something I'd told to them as
well before I made that statement, But it's something that
really just the accusations that were made toward them were
that they were visiting the homes of family members while
the legislators were at work, And to me, that was intimidation.
If that was happening to my family, I'd be pretty upset.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
All right, so are you?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And I'm not trying to put you on the spot here, Ryan,
but I guess in a little way I am. Are
you saying the appropriate response to those kind of knocks
on the door is with a gun in hand?
Speaker 6 (02:52):
Or you?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Just what's the intent of that post?
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Me and Sam was just simply that it would make
me and credit upset if I was the legislator that
that was.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Happening to my family.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I know my I would not want my family to
feel threatened being at home because they're they're married to
a legislator. Or the children of a legislator. I think
that's wholly inappropriate.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Okay, Well, and the accusation yesterday was that from the
Rocky Mountain Gun Owners was that you had basically offered
a relief valve to the Democrats. I think you'd argue
that you had four Democrats that were potentially going to
vote against Senate Bill III, and that when you approach
these folks in the in the well of the House
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and kind of you know, I guess spoke down about
the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners tactics, it gave them a
relief valve to vote against the bill. Do you do
you see the same thing there? And do you really
do you believe you had enough votes to kill the bill?
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Walk walk us through that?
Speaker 5 (03:50):
No, and I don't think we will. That's wholly inaccurate.
And I don't think we would have had the votes
to kill the bill anyway, But there are definitely two
votes that we could have had that would have been
at least a closer situation. And the thing that I
did with those legislators that I knew were either flipping
their vote from where they were in committee to the
House floor, I saw potential in it So I contacted
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them initially, just hey, are you still going to be
an on this where you at? And they said, I'm
not feeling the same as I was before. So that's
where that ended up. That's where it started. But it's
getting turned into something of speculation, which is again more
divisive than anything else. Rather than coming to me, all
anyone has to do is talk to me. That people
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know my email. If not, they can go to Pharmacaust
sixty four dot com and find my email and reach out.
That's fact, to get the facts from the source, not
from speculation or organizations.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So I don't want to I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Not putting words in your mouth, but I assume that
you and the Rocky Mountain gun owners have had no
official talks. When I say Rocky Mountain gun owners, the
Dudley Browns, the Ian Escalantes, you guys have had no
face to face talks since the end of session or
since this bill passed. Correct, So what is your message
to the gun owners out there of you know, I mean,
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this is your messaging where are we at on Senate
Bill three or what's your stance even as it pertains
to these gun rights advocates, whether it be Rocky Mountain
gun owners in ra A, well, what's your message to
the voters out there.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I think the biggest thing is, especially with Senate Bill three,
that was just, I mean a huge, huge slap in
the face to any gun owner out there. That bill
is from where it began to what it morphed into
over and over again, and every time it was read,
it turned into something horrendous for more horrendous every time
it was read. But it eventually became something that the
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governor wanted and we just then realized, holy cow, this
might actually pass. And when it did, I think everyone
in the two A community was definitely quick to point
of finger It's kind of natural, it's the way things
have been for a long time. But this year we
it felt like we were much more united, but there
was still a lot of finger pointing. I think instead
everyone should have just taken the punch to the jaw,
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you know, rub some dirt on it, and then said
let's get back up and get back in the fight.
I think this is just something that's going to now
have to be challenged. But unfortunately this isn't this isn't
the beginning, but it's definitely not going to be the
end on the attack from the Democrats and our gun
rights for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I understand that. So, Ryan, we only have about thirty
seconds left. I'll give you the last opportunity here, give
you the last word to make a messaging to your
voters out there. You know you're representing HD sixty four.
Finished with your final word too.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Okay, Yeah, I just I got to like that to
represent how Sister fifty four are not a political organization.
You know, when we win, when we work together, we
need ever conservative voice of the table make a difference
in the minority. That means finding common ground. I remain
committed to working with anyone who shares the same ideology
of supporting our law abiding citizens, supporting our gun rights,
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and otherwise supporting public safety and the needs of our
state of Colorado to get it back to where it
used to be. We didn't get here overnight. We're not
going to get out of it overnight. But we need
to stick together to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's fair.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Thank you for coming on the show. Ryan, I'm sorry
this is such a short segment, but we had the
show booked. But thank you for coming on and giving
a reply to the interview from yesterday, we're going to
cut the break in again thanks to Ryan Armagos from
HD sixty four and you're listening to the Dan Capla
Show with Well Kenny Sheriff, Steve Rms.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast Steve.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Reams sitting in. Sitting in as your guest host. Didn't
get a chance to set this up as much as
I wanted to in that first segment, but this is
going to be our candidate for Governor's Show, and in
full transparency, this first candidate that we're going to speak
to is not a person that I've ever met personally.
And I just started basically going through the list of
twenty four candidates in the state of Colorado that are
running for the seat for governor, twelve of those being Republicans.
(08:00):
And so when I started going through the list, I
found this next person's.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Facebook page pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I reached out to this individual and he was very responsive,
and that person is Alex. Got to Alex, are you
on the line with us?
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I am Alex.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Tell us a little bit about yourself and what made
you decide to jump in the race for Colorado governor
as a Republican?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Sure, sure, Thanks for having me, Steve.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
I'm Alex Mugatu.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I'm a born and raised public Natives. Their generation probably
the most distinguishing aspect of me. As far as I know,
I'm the only millennial in this race. For what it's worth, Okay,
what what I jumped into the race for. You know,
I have some genuine concerns, as as many people do,
with the direction of the state, and I have even
(08:49):
more concerns with the direction of the way that the parties,
the Republican Party has has been going in recent years.
I think that there needs to be a serious come
to Jesus moment with the way that we actually look
at governing in Colorado. And as a as a business
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owner myself, I bring a different a different mentality when
it comes to leadership, and I think I bring a
different some very different ideas when it comes to governing itself.
Some of the things that that i'mp me to jump
into this race, you know, I'm passionate about certain issues,
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namely property rights and our constitutional rights, and I think
that you know, every day that we've witnessed this past
legislative session, it's just not looking good. Regardless of the
kind of representation that we have in the legislature right now.
So property rights is key to restoring the Colorado promise
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that was based in our American dream. And I'd like
to have the Colorado that at our parents and grandparents
essentially built for us.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
So, Alex, you mentioned that you're a small business owner.
What is your business background? And also I'll just add
on to that so you can kind of go with it.
He said that you're kind of new to the political
field as far as running for office. Do you have
you been involved in Republican politics down in Pueblo. Uh,
you know, I'm on the other end of the state. So,
like I said, we haven't had a chance to get
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to meet. So this is the time for you to
educate the voters on all that.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
So, actually, I'm I'm not I'm not new to to
our political scene. I've actually been at this for for
quite a while, mainly in Pueblo County. I've been a
Republican candidate for the legislature several several times there there
have been primaries, you know, the way that the party
(10:51):
runs in our nominating processes. Uh, other other people have
different ideas and you know, I get taken out in
a primary, so that that's kind of where where my
background is. I'll go on to say that that every
one of those candidates that defeated me in a primary
did go on to lose a general election. So nobody
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really knows what the voters are going to do. But uh,
you know, that's that's just kind of my background. I've
been at this for a for a long time here
or not because I'm facing a political title, but because
I want to see some change in our state. My
business background, I I'm the uh I'm the owner and
CEO of of Icon Asylum Entertainment, which which was a
company that I established in two thousand and five when
(11:34):
I was kind of goofing off in uh Fort Collins
during my college years. And what that what that was
was essentially a sports entertainment company with the flash and
slambuoyance of UH pro wrestling in mm A, mixed martial
arts and whatnot. We tried to uh come back to Pueblo,
(11:55):
you know, with with big dreams I guess of taking
my hometown by storm, and I I ran into politics
and that's really where I started to get my foot
into the door here is I discovered real quick that
everything is so political in Pueblo County and I'm sure
across the state that it just wasn't a good business
environment for young entrepreneurs to to get themselves established in
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Colorado anymore. So that's that's kind of where where we're
going with that. Then covid HIT and being a sports
entertainment promotions at event promotions company, when Jared Polis decided
he wanted to implement a mass ban on a ban
on MAS gatherings, well, I mean if that that had
(12:39):
an effect on ticket sales, so.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I can't imagine that was good for the business model. Yeah,
it was not.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
So we're trying to rebuild, but in the meantime, we
want to see some some things change in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
So you know, every candidate tends to have a few
pillars in there in there, you know, for for their candidacy.
You talked about property, right, it's what are some other
things that if given the chance to represent the state
of Colorado as a Republican candidate or even as a
Republican governor, what are the other things that you would
you would find yourself focusing on.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
So, you know, I think that I think where Republicans
have gone wrong is we've kind of let the Democrat
Party kind of kind of trademark the term progressive, even
though we've we've seen a lot of regressive policy coming
out of the Gold Dome. We we've kind of let
them trademark that for their own and really that's been
(13:31):
to our own detriment. For for my property rights issue,
one of my main staples on that is on the
candidate that's known for for wanting to abolish residential property
tax in Colorado, I think that that's something we can do.
I think that that we shouldn't be forced to spend
a lifetime leasing our own the pursuit of our own
happiness from our government in order to keep it. And
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you know, once once you buy it, it should be
yours for life. I think that energy independence, that we're
having a big issue with energy, especially down here in Publo.
We just ran a ballot measure, an unnecessary ballot measure,
where the city wanted to basically take over Black Hills
Energy is infrastructure and create a municipal a municipal energy company.
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It got shot down, so now we have to go
back to the drawing table. I think that we can
open up Colorado to a free market energy economy and
let people decide who powers their homes and their businesses.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
So when it comes to the infrastructure of Colorado, where
do you think we stand as a state? I mean,
I know where we rank as a state. I think
we're forty seven out of fifty if I'm not mistaken.
But what would be your plans as a governor or
governor's candidate for addressing the infrastructure woes that are Colorado?
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Sure? I mean I've seen I do a lot of traveling, Steve,
and I've seen two thousand year old cobblestone roads that
are smoother drides than Colorado roads. You know, as the
infrastructure is key to creating a strong economy. You have
solid infrastructure, you bring in business opportunity, you bring in jobs,
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opportunities it you know, the sky's the limit there. So
as far as as far as governor, that's where I
would be focusing on. We had a candidate forum last
Thursday in Longmont, and of course I left Pueblo at
two thirty in the afternoon. There was a drive that
should have taken me two hours to get to Longmont,
and I got there a quarter to six, just before
the event started. And you know, I think with what
(15:37):
we're seeing here with the population growth, the I twenty
five from Fillmore and Colorado Springs all the way up
to north the northern the northern part of the metro,
the I twenty five was basically a parking lot. I
think that the growth and population is not sustainable with
the infrastructure that we have, and we need to really
(15:59):
focus on on expanding it from water from water infrastructure,
energy infrastructure, improving our roads and highways, providing additional options
for routing on roads and highways. There needs to be
some significant investment in both time and energy to focusing
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on expanding our infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
And I didn't hear you mention any kind of railway
from Pueblo to Fort Collins, So that's probably a positive
in your candidacy. Just to reset, we have Alex Mugatu
on with us here on the show. He's a candidate
for governor here in Colorado, Republican. You just kind of
highlighting some of your stances, you know, again going back
(16:42):
to some of the things that I think are red
meat Republican issues. What's your stance on let's say Second
Amendment issues. We just had one of the most egregious
gun bills passed in the state of Colorado and Senate
Bill IREI, where do you stand on something like that?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Right well, I mean, obviously as a as a red
blooded American here, our country was founded based off of
a tax grievance and and we needed to be able
to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government. Not saying that
we're at that point yet, but right now, the way
that that Colorado is looking after the last census and
(17:18):
the redistricting process, I mean, we basically have what six
or seven counties call on the shots for for for
an entire state here. You know, two A is a
big issue for me. I'm I'm a strong proponent of
self governance. I'm a strong proponent of home ruld jurisdiction.
I'm kind of liking what I'm seeing coming out of
(17:40):
Douglas County right now. I wish that that all counties
that aren't home rule counties would would jump onto that
bandwagon and try to protect themselves from from overreach at
the state level. As far as the Senate Bill three,
which was in my opinion, I mean, I'm sure it's
an opinion shared by many. It was an egregious overreach,
(18:02):
constitutional violation, and I hope that it does get overturned
in the court, but I think that this is actually
something that's going to have to be overturned by the
people themselves.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Okay, Alex was just about twenty seconds left. What's your website?
How can people find you?
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
You can find me at Alex Mugatu mug a tu
dot com and you can send a message a member
of the If I don't get the message myself, one
of our team members will get it and I'll get
in touch with you.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
All right, thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You're listening to the Dan Capless Show here with well
Kenny Shriff Steve Riams as a guest host.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show Podcastle's.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Show with Well Kenny Shriff Steve Riams setting in the
driver's seat today day two of two. And just to
remind the listeners what we're doing here today, we've got
kind of a governor's show today, governor candidate Show. I
guess I should say, as I mentioned in the earlier segment,
there's twenty four candidates running for the governor in the
state of Colorado, twelve that are Republicans, So we're going
(19:09):
to cover four of them today and if I get
a chance to cover in the future, we'll try to
get to another four and then maybe hopefully, hopefully the
last four unless more jump in. And we've already had
a few texts talking about some other potential candidates. But
if you want to text in the numbers five, seven, seven,
three nine. We'll also take calls in the last segment,
which is you can call in at three oh three seven, one, three, eight,
two five five. But lit's without further ado. Let's get
(19:31):
to our next candidate, which is the sheriff of Teller County.
I know this individual pretty well. Jason Michael, how you doing.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
I'm doing good. Steve, how are you doing?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I'm doing great. Doing something other than sheriff and and
I got to tell you it's a whole lot more fun.
But you're doing something other than sheriff in a little
bit too. You're running for governor and this is your
second time on the show with me. But tell us
a little bit about your campaign platform. How are things going?
And uh, you know, where are you finding energy out
in the state of Colorado.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Well, you know, see the energies everywhere everybody wants to change.
I'm seeing that so many different places. And you know,
I'm a little bit different than the other candidates. Most
people don't know that. I've been an entrepreneur and businessman
for many years. I've scaled companies and I have multiple
small businesses with my wife throughout the Woodland Park area.
And it's so I do a lot of different things.
(20:21):
And then, by the way, I'm a sheriff too, so
as a candidate, I kind of understand both sides of it.
I know how to help Colorado build as a state
and be able to get businesses back up and running.
And I also know how to deal with the crime
and the issues that we're seeing all throughout the state.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Well, and I know the answer to this one because
we've talked about it before, But what energized you to
jump in the governor's race and kind of what are
the tip poles, if you will, of your campaign candidacy?
You know, what are those things that hold your campaign up?
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Well, I think right now, for me, it's just watching
so many other politicians run that I just felt couldn't
win a race and understand that. You know, we have
a lot of big issues within the Colorado and a
lot of it has to do with our budget and
the goals to get it back to something that's fiscally responsible.
The other piece, though, too, is I really look at
(21:11):
crime as a major issue out throughout Colorado and just
deregulating a lot of a lot of issues that are
creating the high house costs, and really the everything that
you're seeing is coming out of Denver right now. All
the regulations, all the push to you know, really destroy
Colorado is coming out of our legislature. And some of
the biggest issues I see is we've got to fix
(21:32):
our roads. We've got to fill some potholes. This is
horrible now. And our crime is what third in the
nation now for violent crime, and businesses are leading Colorado
on a daily basis. So these are these are the
areas that really energize me and get me moving. I've
got three boys, and I want them to be able
to come back to a Colorado that that they can
actually be here and live and be able to grow
(21:54):
in and be a part of. And I think everybody
wants that for their children.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
So when you're out there and you're interacting with the public,
I'm sure you're getting some Republican support. But what does
it look like when you get outside of the Republican
community and you're interacting with Let's say, I won't call
them the enemy because you need every vote, but the
Democrats are the unaffiliated, the independent. You know, what kind
of feedback are you getting?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Are you hearing the same message across different party lines
for where the state of Colorado is or we still
a very divided state.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
No, I think I'm hearing it from all different areas
because as a sheriff, I'm you know, I governed for
both everyone. It doesn't matter who you are. And I think, really,
in speaking with a lot of independence, a lot of
unaffiliated here, their main concerns is, let's stop dealing with
the social issues and let's start dealing with real issues
that affect them on a daily basis. Everything from putting
(22:43):
food on the table to putting gas in their cars
and being able to get their cars on the roads.
Those are the biggest issues I see. And they want
to save Colorado and I think that's where a lot
of them are working with me and Democrats are in
the same boat. They feel like their party has just
left them behind. They understand there's been a trifecta and
for a long time now that really they feel ashamed
(23:04):
of their own parties. And I think and I can
understand that. I mean, really, you look at the state
of Colado and Jared Polis's issues, and then some of
the new candidates for the Democratic Party, they're not following
what they're party even believes in in a lot of
different ways.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, I think there's a couple of Senate bills that
just went through our House, Bills thirteen twelve, which is
the Transgender Rights Bill, I think it's commonly known as that,
and then Senate Bill three. I mean, those are two
pretty extreme bills that kind of define this legislative session.
But is that I mean, is that what's resonating out
there with the public And what are your opinion on
those two bills.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Well, here's the thing. I think everybody's seeing that, Hey,
boys need to play boy sports, girls need to play
girl sports. That's the way it is, and we need
to respect that. And I think on the gun bill, listen,
I'm a Second Amendment person. You and I and multiple
others fought those bills in for a state in a
legislature to tell sixty four counties and sixty four sheriffs
(24:03):
that they don't care what they bring to the table.
They don't care to have discussions with us, and they
don't care to stakeholder with us. And they have talks
and they did it anyways, against everyone that requested that
they not. That tells you where our government has gone
within Colorado, and it tells you we have no clear leadership.
And that's what I need to bring to the table,
is clear leadership, because I've done it so many times
in Colorado's history.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
So on that topic of leadership, you know, it's going
to take quite a few different candidates running for different offices,
whether it be ag whether it be governor. You're going
to kind of have to raise all waters. Do you
think your campaign's building the momentum that it needs to
help raise all waters? And do you see other folks
jumping into those those other races that we need to
(24:45):
see competitive folks in. I mean, quite frankly, just winning
the governor's race isn't enough. Were you seeing things out
on the horizon. Do we have a chance as a
Republican Party?
Speaker 6 (24:55):
You know, I think it's going to be very difficult,
I think, And here's the reason why I'm running for
the governor position. You could run for another position and
do well. But here's the problem I see without a
governor to be able to veto things and stop what
I call the bleed or the constant builds, because we
still have another session to come through, even before another race,
what comes next. So everybody's dealing with what's happening right now,
and they're not thinking strategically about what happens in the
(25:18):
future if we don't slow some of these things down.
So you're absolutely right. The Attorney general's position is one
of the main key pieces we have to be able
to take, and there's nobody stepped up to run for
that position yet. And if we don't take that, it's
going to be awfully difficult to change or create the
ability to go forth as Republicans and win seats. And
(25:39):
I think that's one of my biggest concerns. You got
to win enough Senate seats, bag, you gotta win enough
House seats back. But we just got to get to
where we can have an equal number if we can't
just win them all.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I know you have the law and order candidate.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I know that there's a lot of issues out there
when it deals with crime in Colorado. If you could
make one change right now in the state of Colorado
to affect what would that be.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
I hold criminals accountable. And you know, Steve, the biggest
thing is for me, I'm also the business candidate. I'm
the only candidate I believe in Colorado that's actually got
the skills to build companies, build businesses, understand what that
lifeblood is, and understand the law enforcement side what really
needs to be given to law enforcement to succeed. But
you've got to hold criminals accountable. And that's what I'll do.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
So in just a few seconds that we have left,
people are going to want to know how to find
more about you. Look at your pages. Where can folks
find you out there on the interwebs, So.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
You can find me a Mike soul the number four
gov dot com and that's Micsolfo gov dot com. Here's
the other thing. If you just want to google my
name and look at YouTube or in the other things,
you'll see my leadership and action in multiple different news clips.
You'll find me on social media sites and it's micol forgev.
Also in anywhere you look, if you look at my name,
you're going to find me.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Well, give you.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
One last chance here to make a pitch to the public.
You've got, you've got, you've got the mic.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Well, thank you, Steve. And here's the thing. If you
want a candidate that understands real business and understands how
to get call right off the ground, and you want
to see somebody that can really deal with crime and
really love our law enforcement officers and first responders across
the state, I'm your candidate and I think you you'll
see that if you actually follow me.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Well, thanks for coming on the show again, Jason. I
know it's a short segment that any anytime someone comes
on the radio, but you package a lot of information
into a short amount of time. And again, uh follow
Jason on his social media pages or his website, and
again we just appreciate you coming on the show. We'll
cut to brake and we'll take some calls and some
text messages in this last segment. But you're listening to
the Dan Caplas Show here on six thirty k how
(27:43):
with Well Kenny Sheriff. Steve brings.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Today and as the guest host on day two of
two and we jumped right into the show to right
from the word go. We had Ryan armagost On in
that first segment kind of fighting back a little bit
with the story that we had on yesterday from Rocky
Mountain gun owners who took some shots at Ryan for
the way they believe he handled his navigation of Senate
(28:15):
Bill three down at the State House. So he had
a chance to kind of push back a little bit
and give his side of the story. And I guess
you listeners out there can go to social media's and
figure out which side of that debate you follow the
most or which side you trust the most. But as
I said earlier, today's kind of our Governor's candidate show.
And you know, since we had twenty four governor's candidates
(28:38):
in the state of Colorado, that's several days worth of radio.
There's only twelve that are Republicans, but three Democrats and
nine i'll just say others unaffiliated constitutional parties. And I
won't go through the like Jo Exotic. Yeah, boy, wouldn't
that be fun if we could get a Joe Exotic. Actually,
(28:59):
you know there's a can it on here that's that's
a Republican candidate that he ran a few years ago,
and he's He's not a Joe exotic candidate, but he
is a interesting guy that I had a chance to
interact with at a at a debate, and I'm hoping
that I can get him on the radio at some
point because if nothing else, our exchanges will be entertaining.
(29:23):
But I'm not sure if he'll take my call. But
I'm going to go through the list of candidates here
and you can raise your hand out there in the
listening audience if you know any of them. Oh and
by the way, if you want to text in and
give your feedback on the ones we've heard so far,
which is Alexander who got to and Jason Mike's Ol,
the sheriff down in Teller County, feel free to text in.
We have gotten one text in reference to someone they
(29:44):
would like to see nominated, and that's Dan Kaplis. Seems
like every time we talk about governor's candidates, his name
pops up, and that's from our wonderful listener, Alexa. But
the other candidates we have here on the Republican side,
we're going to have Mark Baisley and Scott Bottoms on
in the next hour, but we have a Jason Clark,
(30:04):
we have a Bryson Garrison, Steve An Guess, John Gray Ginsburg,
my buddy that I've interacted with before, Joshua Griffin, Greg Lopez,
which I believe made his announcement on your show. If
I'm not mistaken, I did. And then we have a
William or will McBride. We had Jason on, Jason Michel,
(30:27):
we had Alexander who got to and I think the
last one on here is Jim Runberg. And I have
to be honest with you, there's only four of those
people now, five that I know after talking to alex
So it'll be interesting to see if we can get
the other four on. Like I said, I shouldn't say
that I do know John Greg Ginsburg from a previous
(30:47):
interaction entertaining guy. I'll say that, So we'll see how
that goes. Yeah, I'm concerned for the state of Colorado
because I think we have gone so far to the
left that something has to pull back to the right.
And I'm hoping that one of these uh, one of
these candidates finds lightning in a bottle. Heck, I'm hoping
Dan Kaplis still jumps into the race, and I hope
(31:09):
the listeners are encouraging that as well.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Well.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
There are some listeners and I won't mention any names,
but mine my name, Ryan Schuling, that would love to
see a sheriff Steve Reem's candidacy for governor.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
What say, you hold your breath and I'll die.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, So I appreciate that, Ryan, you know, is as
much as I've enjoyed my life in politics, to the
extent that I've been involved in politics, I was always
drawn to being a law enforcement guy. Being a sheriff was,
you know, as a necessary evil to go through politics.
And I've learned a lot. I've met a lot of
fantastic folks in the political life. I've met some that
(31:46):
I wish I hadn't met. Yeah, But quite frankly, I'm
tired of asking people for money and for support, and
I want to help candidates to get elected. I want
to help those good candidates. So if we find that
person that you know is catching lightning in bottle, I'll
be with them one hundred and fifty percent. We just
got to get that right person. And quite frankly, the
people in the Bolder don't like me very much.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
So that's part for the course, I'm sure I'm not
very big in Boulder either. That's a different crowd, different
audience for the most part, although there are a few
except there's a few, John Caldera being one of the
I don't know how he continues to live there, but
God love him. I would say that ground Game Organization.
I've gone to one of the Colorado GOP breakfasts. I
(32:28):
believe it might have been the first since bread of
Horn came aboard his chair. Heidi Ganaal helped hosting that.
Heidi's very good behind the scenes. Of course, she was
the candidate for governor last time around. And I think
the energy it's something the sheriff Mike's will touched on.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It's there.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
It's just a matter of.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
Tapping into it and getting it focused and redirected. We
live in a state where we have to get the persuadables.
That's just all there is to it. We could turn
out every Republican voter, it still wouldn't be enough to
overcome the advantage Democrats have built in between registered Democrats
and unaffiliated to buy and large lane left exactly so
you get those persuadables that are disaffected with this recent
(33:05):
thirteen twelve being passed with their Second Amendment rights being
a fringe upon, you know, those kind of common sense,
common ground issues.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
That's how I would distill it.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I think you're I think you hit the nail on
the head. And you know crime has affected everyone in Colorado.
I don't care where you go, you can't help, but
notice what is going on in Colorado, and I think
that that leans that issue, leans towards the you know
Republican fixes more often than not, as you've seen from
our state legislature. But you hit the nail on the
head too with a house built thirteen twelve. I think
(33:34):
when you have moms that get activated and dads for
a large degree too, But when you start attacking parental rights,
that activates a whole other segment that if you can
resonate with that segment, I think there's a chance to
there's a chance to find a pathway for a Republican
to be successful. Although I do think it's a very
narrow path. I think someone can navigate it if they
(33:54):
have the right ground game and they can activate those
those baseline voters.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Do we think could be that guy?
Speaker 8 (34:01):
Well, Dan's got a lot of cachet and I can
talk about him when he's not here, but I would
say this to him if he asked. But he's got
the name recognition, right. I think he has the credibility.
He's done good work in this state on behalf of
victims of large accidents. He has I think a platform
in this show that he's been reaching people for years.
So I think he has a lot of built in
(34:22):
kind of no brainer advantages in addition to the fact
that he's doing pretty well from his law firm and
from a financial standpoint. Plus, I think it's not just
that I think Dan would be adept at being able
to secure a donor money that's bick. He and I
have talked about that independent of him. But a candidate
has to give the party nationally the belief that we
(34:43):
can win here, and that's a big obstacle. That has
been a big hurdle in raising money for our campaign
statewide well.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
And I think you know the secondary piece to that
we keep talking about does the Republican Party build the
candidate or does the candidate helps stand the Republican Party backup.
You know, we've kind of been in ambles as a
Republican party. I say we because I'm part of it
as a Republican party in this state. But a good
candidate raises all waters. And if we can just find
that person to help help raise the water, you know,
(35:11):
I think it's a it's good for all of us
and good for the people of Colorado. So when we
come back in segment two, well jump back into this
conversation and get a couple more candidates up. But right
now you're listening to The Dan Kaplis Show with Well
Kenny Sheriff Steve Reams as your guest host.
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